The WORST Guide in Super Smash Bros. History
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2021
- There are a lot of fantastic Super Smash Bros Ultimate guides out there. We will not be looking at any of them today. Instead, we're going to take a proper deep dive into ProGuide's horrendous tutorial on the Hero of the Wild (for some reason they didn't even put his name in the title), and break down exactly what it does wrong. This is the first reaction video I've done in awhile and the first of more to come on the MockRockTalk channel. It's a very relaxed format, although I've still tried to liven things up here and there with some editing. Finding a balance between speed and entertainment value will be important for this style in the future, so let me know where I landed!
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Thanks for watching! It didn't occur to me to read the original video's comments while I was recording, but I did read them afterwards; while most of them are also making fun of its contents, there are some (likely newer players) thanking them for the helpful advice. Finding uninformed cash grab content like this before the proper stuff can cause major setbacks to someone's growth as a player, so while I think this is easily the meanest video I've ever made, I have no issue with making it. That said, please do NOT go harass the creators of the original, I don't condone this in any way. Two more points of order: a) this was my first reaction video in some time and the first on this channel, so let me know what you thought of the format! And b) yes I'm aware of how sweaty I get by the end. Turns out closing all your doors and windows to stop recording noise in the middle of summer makes things a little hot. Hope you liked watching me slowly dying as much as I liked having to edit it!
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I was reading those comments too and my cynical brain told me they were just bots or dummy accounts to give the video traction or some kind of validity. I just found it impossible for anyone to actually walk away from that video feeling like they learned something. But maybe you're right they could just be children who don't know any better
Don’t worry, you can always write off the sweating as you being uncomfortably nervous about how newer players may think that Proguides videos are anything more than cash grabs.
Also, as a long time veteran in the smash scene, it does genuinely hurt my soul to see cash grab content that lacks any sort of meaningful info to help newer players. I just hope this video shows up in more newer players recommended to give them an awareness of how to pick out good guides from bad ones
The triple take 😂😂😂😂😂
Loved the video! Btw, if you read the video description for the Link guide, it was copied and pasted from their Cloud video by mistake. Absolutely insane
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Interestingly enough, Ultimate Link is the only Link who is NOT left-handed. Link was canonically left-handed for much of his earlier games (including Smash 64 all the way to Smash4) but more recent games featuring motion controls have pushed his sword hand to the right. How ProGuides managed to mess this detail up in the only game they could is beyond me.
Actually technically in Twilight Princess he is also left handed, but only on the Wii, for motion controls.
It's actually way funnier than that - he's right-handed in the Wii version, but left-handed on the Gamecube version, and the ENTIRE GAME is horizontally flipped to accommodate this change.
@@ungulatemanalpha all the game is mirrored just because, it didn't had anything to do with Link aside from the change
@@elmaionesosexo doesn't mean he isn't right handed lmao
@@illford6921 in the Wii version he is, but the entire game is mirrored, i don't count that as Link being right handed
20:55 These people really just described Link the same way you would a rushdown character.
I mean, even our sophisticated Z drop combos are really just stemming from baiting the opponent, and punishing... Rather than running in lmao
"Link is left handed"
It's amazing how much is wrong with that simple statement. First of all, neither in Breath of the Wild, nor in Smash Ultimate is Link actually left handed. This is proven by the footage they provide, as you pull back the string of a bow with your primary hand, which Link is doing with his right hand.
The more important thing is *why the hell would you mention that in a competitive character guide?*
Link WAS left handed before skyward sword, where they switched it to make motion controls more accurate. He hasn't been since, to my knowledge
@@LydCal999 *Teeeeechnically* he was Left handed in A Link Between Worlds.
But yeah, that mistake is so specific that I'm floored it's not intentional.
@@LydCal999 canonically twilight princess link is ambidextrous if i remember right
as a quick answer to the wii being mirrored likely but still it was mentioned in an interview i believe not the game itself (which never mentions his handedness if i recall)
also botw link is ambidextrous in canon as well but prefers his right
again this is from my memory so take it with some salt
Well he is a lefty SOMEtimes... too bad this isn't one of those.
I guess you can say you set your expectations low, but they bowed right under them...
LMAO
“Hes left handed” as someone who does do archery and is right handed, you hold the bow with your left hand and draw back with your right hand, as link does. Great detail nintendo!
Except the whole point is that link holds his sword in his left hand in the previous games, but not in breath of the wild, or this version of link in smash.
Link WAS lefthanded, but isn't there.
@@FFKonoko
Correct. Toon and Young Link are left handed, but all of standard Link's animations have been completely redone to switch his hand to the right.
@@FFKonoko skyward sword link right handed
@FFKonoko the other comments are right they switched him to right handed after skyward sword because of the motion controls
Can people stop offending us lefties?
the way these people describe link's playstyle sounds as vague as astrology ppl with zodiac signs
Do you mean astrology
@@kidkruschev yea ig lol
69th liked, nice
8:34 yeah shield grey it's a cpu lmao
"Did you know link is left handed?" Pans to a zoomed in shot of link holding a bow in his left hand (right handed grip) and a sword in his right
Okay. I've played Smash Bros. since Brawl in 2007 when I was like 5. Throughout all of the 3/4 different games, I haven't played Link a lot, but he's always been a nice fallback character for me when I get bored.
This is what I looked like at like age 9 playing Link with Wii Remote and Nunchuck
Even you were better than triple-roll-in-neutral and dair spam. I know that.
8:28 It is a CPU, you can tell by the grey smoke after d-tilt
Also, Pit's shield is grey
I love how your "casual" video still has loads more effort put in than the video you're dissing.
And about the format, honestly any excuse you can come up with to just talk to the mic and explain stuff is good enough for me. Legit you could make MockRockPodcast and upload unscripted, unedited 3-hour long videos and I'd still watch them.
But seeing now picky you are with your content's quality I doubt you'll reach that point xP
Seriously though, consider doing a podcast of some sort.
Agreed
Hear hear.
Aye
The perfect guide on how to get your link to 1 MILLION GSP!
Because if this guide helps you, you'll probably think that's a lot
Your name, is it the wings of fire character is it a coincidence? Kestrel, I mean.
@@im_skrunkly The kestrel is a type of bird, more specifically a falcon, that is characterized by its ability to “hover” and swoop down over prey.
@@edwinkjellzahn oh thanks
I can't believe they fail in even the stuff that's not gameplay related - BoTW Link is one of the only Links to be right handed
If I'm not mistaken, in all of the games too. It's only Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild Links that are right handed - if they were describing any Link from any Smash game EXCEPT the one they are actually talking about, they'd be correct. 9/10 Links are left handed in smash (across all versions).
@@Twag7 wasn't twilight Princess link right handed too? But only on wii version?
@@jackg6887 I think you're thinking of Skyward Sword. They only did it because most people are right handed, so due to the motion controls in that game, they changed Link's dominant hand (and rendered lefties condemned - the game is very hard to play if you are left handed.)
@@Twag7 I wonder if that's a feature added to SSHD
@@mrgreenboy644 I haven't seen or played the switch version, is Link right handed in that still?
6:51 actually, you know what? That is a good combo!
...if your opponent has a heart attack mid-match and drops their controller. Then it's an excellent combo.
Lol
this comment made me laugh harder that it should have 🤣
I can only imagine what their Ice Climbers guide looks like, “We we’re too lazy to research and lab this character, so uh screw the desyncs and just do dash attack up air”
*it's just side-special*
You know what energy I get from that guide? That of those wonderful websites you sometimes stumble upon when searching for items in an rpg. You know the ones. Those that go "Where to find and farm" yet only show the ingame description along with incredibly vague directions along the lines of "northern half of the continent".
I love the new Link neutral b they added, the one where he shoots an arrow out of his bao
I didn’t think it could be THAT bad, but oh how wrong I was…
On top of that, there's money invloved
Script: neutral air pretty good yeah
Footage: Down air. Take it or leave it.
14:48 I think you mean one of the worlds most basic weapons
“Bow and arrow and boomerang” had me dying
Take a bow and arrow😂
I find it hilarious that they could literally just take footage from tournament’s and get 10X as good a result
That would have made more sense than the footage that was used for the video.
It would be way easier too.
I genuinely love this format, I’m so excited to see more content in this form. I love the more casual setting, and especially the fact that I know it’s better on your health, not having to make those huge, complicated videos all the time. Burnouts a bitch and I’m glad you’ve found this creative, awesome way to circumvent it. I love laid back, unedited mock rock, can’t wait to see more, and I’m hyped for the zoner video! :)
Hey thanks, appreciate it! This channel has less to do with burnout and more to do with how impossible it is to cover trending topics with my format over on MockRock. This guide from 2019 obviously isn't trending, but as long as I've got a more casual option anyways, this kind of stuff will be fun to make from time to time as well!
"The BꝊW and arrow"
Just wait till you hear how this guy pronounces Ryu
He definitely says “Roo”
I used to use these guides as how I built my “skill”, and when I got serious about the game it took me a year to unlearn the bad habits I formed
You should totally have a follow up video over Izaw’s Art of Link. That guys videos are BEAUTIFUL!!!
18:52 I actually think “this attack” refers to nair, since the script doesn’t mention the “bow” at that point. That makes the advice even worse, as the ability to move around to kind of expand aerial hitboxes is one of the key features of aerials. Link nair in particular allows you to drift smoothly after you throw it out, thanks to its numerous active frames.
the funniest part about the whole "left handed" thing is that, in the evidence they use (him holding a bow) he is very obviously right-handed. Yes, he's holding the actual grip with his left hand, but that's how a right-handed person would hold a bow. You pull back on the string with your dominant hand.
Genuinely glad to see that those terrible "Video Game Tips!" VHS vids from the '90s full of either stupidly obvious or stupidly wrong information still exist in some format today
I’m a link main and this is hilarious. Pro guides made a beautiful disaster here!
I barely play Link and I can say the same.
I literally can't for the life of me play Link and this is some of the funniest shit I've ever seen. If you showed me this without me knowing who ProGuides are and told me it was satire I'd believe you without a second thought.
Im a link main and yes I agree with you
Another Link main. I'm not even six minutes in and I'm hurting inside :(((
Bad jokes man, bad guide.
-Link main
To be fair, I found their guide on wave bouncing and b-reversing to be pretty helpful
Same
It’s because a tutorial on such a small tech is so easy even they can’t f*ck it up.
That's because b-reversing and wavebouncing are so simple. There isn't much room to mess up
The thing is, thats something anyone can find online
Yes I loved the totally accurate demonstrations of them showcasing this technique that totally weren't just some random guy not knowing what he was doing!
4:56
I think they said cus he held the bow in his left hand, but actually in archery, you don't hold the bow with the dominant hand. I guess they can't get anything right
19:35 by "stationnary" he's probably talking about the active frames of nair and how you can use it to kinda prevent your opponents from edgeguarding you
epic that he says that over a clip of link using bow onstage
"His BAOW..."
*wheeze*
Lmao I can't
For anyone who does want amazing guides for a lot of characters: Izaw is amazing. For character specialists, Void, Fatality, Tweek, etc.
Sillintor for Link. Izaw's videos are great but he's behind on how useful the bomb is outside of just recovery and nair/fair loops.
@@s3eriousbl9ck26 To be fair his link guide is pretty old now relatively. It's a great started guide before you jump to the more technical bomb stuff.
His new video on Samus is great and more current because obviously it was just released. You have to take that into account with his videos.
Just as you were editing *this* video, you made a grammatical error on the edit in 15:28 :P
tbf, this video is almost 5 times longer than theirs, but yeah. Great video either way though, and I love the casual format. I hope everything financial and all that you are going through turns out better, mate
Noooooooo!
I like how proguides could easily make a minute video of just tips and tricks. But no, we need to talk about how link is right handed
That Down Air "combo" reminded me of the typical Scrooge MCDuck pogo jump. Lmao.
Honestly, I forgot about ProGuides until this video. XD
Gotta say I'm glad this reaction actually had some edits thrown in, made the viewing experience much better
They literally could have simplified this video down to only that 45 seconds.
"Nair"
There ya go.
Rising nair to cross up and oos. Falling spaced sweet spot nair to pressure shield, falling nair to shield poke and RAR as a dash attack
Nair to nair to nair to block,by using nair, to nair to nair to nair to a samus shot a fully charged Netrual-B so, nair to nair to nair to stage spike from NAIR.
Because it seemed fun, I decided to watch their guides on my mains: Falco(n) and oh boy they didn't disappoint. They showed the amazing combo that is Raptor Boost into F-smash and somehow Falco's D-tilt spikes
💀💀💀
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Raptor Boost to F-Smash?! IT'S REVOLUTIONARY!
Maybe the guide is intentionally bad so people who want to play Link will choose someone more interesting?
Link at a high level is very interesting it's just that 99 percent of link players projectile camp and nair over and over
A more interesting character like Mr. Game & Watch?
Nah, they do this with every content. It's just scamming and rushed content.
Fair comment
High level Link gameplay can be really sick though.
13:09 Number 1 reason why proguides they urgently need an english teacher, that got me breathing difficulty from laughing so hard
They also need a couple hundred Smash teachers
these combos work,
if your opponent puts down their controller and walks away
You’ve given me far more help understanding the competitive side of smash than this guide, and you did it for free and helped me get better as a player even if it wasn’t your intention 😅
I do like this style of easier reaction content while making your big video essays
I actually believed them starting out but I left them 2 days later for mockrock and immediately saw results
Link was left-handed before, it changed in breath of the wild and Skyward Sword
Did you notice the videos description? It’s literally written for a Cloud guide, and one final sentence mentions Link.
Yeah, I actually did notice that, I usually read video descriptions before I watch them, but I decided not to comment on it because there was at least some possibility that they were using it as an advertisement for one of their other videos. A bit weird, and my suspicion is that they just screwed up, but technically a possibility.
I got a video in my recommended recently it was kinda decent so I looked at their video page, saw a tier list video that put corrin in low tier laughed and left the page
thank you Xander Williams for doing God's work
It's like saying kill with up air strings with Mario and then forward air, and then showing a video of him killing with final smash
Man I’m loving this kind of content. This video format’s pretty great and I’d be down to see more of this stuff.
25:40 no bro you were right. rising nair is only safe when you space it(pull back) or cross it up if the opponent shields. Falling, sour spot nair is the nair most of us use for grab. The one you showed is for OOS, Cross ups and spaced for shield pressure. Now we do use that outside of those situations but you can't just spam it close range since you'll eventually get punished for it and Link is mini combo food without a bomb in his hand.
Proguides said that shulks buster mode slows him down, and that's only one of the mistakes of the Shulk video, funny thing is, I watched it when I ultimate got released in order to see what was changed from Sm4sh to ultimate, and I genuinely thought they changed his monado properties
Give MockRock a damn reward. I randomly found this video scrolling down through TH-cam, and I gotta say, 10/10.
22:12 the could not have more obviously staged the battles with 2 players. Those poor Jokers were obviously being puppeted by a ProGuides goon.
Commenting for the algorithm, I want to see this channel do well, I like the idea (even though the standard, more polished content is something that I love to watch)
It seems like a competent player made some notes > a clueless scriptwriter turned those notes into into a script best they could using basic wiki knowledge of smash and Zelda > the footage maker did whatever they wanted.
Hey, this was so awesome. You’re normal content is excellent as always, but I really really enjoyed this more laid back, chill vibe with this video. I like the balance between that and your more fully-articulate and high-edited videos.
Yes my favorite combos down tilt down tilt down smash I use that every day
4:50 They probably meant that he's right-handed this time around, since every other time he's been left-handed, including Toon Link and Young Link.
Nah, they clearly said "Did you know Link is left handed?" And not "Did you know this is one of the only Links not to be left handed?" Or something along that line
Thank you for bringing this to light. I hate the idea of new players being misinformed by these frauds
Actually the best way to recover with links bomb is to detonate it on the first 2 actionable frames as Lona's you have forwards drift if you don't you should wait till the bomb is closer to links boady you don't have to wait for him to finish the animation
Link is pulling the arrow in his right hand, and in archery you generally use the opposite of your dominant hand for that.
BOTW and SW links are the only links that are right handed, so maybe they missed that little detail and just assumed from the other links
The Upthrow Up B combo is a running joke in the Link community as the "ProGuides Combo" haha
I could probably give a better beginer guide and i don't main or secondary him
"Did you know Link is left handed?"
"Did you know Pikachu Libre is a girl?"
Same Energy.
Except pikachu libre actually is a girl
@@tapatorta You can tell by her heart-shaped tail!
@@jordanthejq12 yes
They basically went out of their way to say something that was not only unnecessary but also outright wrong.
As someone who mained Link for a year,
This is one of the best worst guide I have seen in smash history.
Shout out to MockRock getting heated reacting to content farms and buzzword videos, gotta be one of my favorite genders
I find it hilarious that the graph they show only goes from 50% to 70%
awesome video! love the main channel and i can't wait for more content from this one
I didn't mention it originally, but I really love this kind of video, good stuff
*As a Link main--who does everything possible to play without spamming--this "guide" angers me.*
I mean, their recent ledgetrapping guide seemed ok. It actually helped me a bit.
"Show Link walking on the bottom of the lake in Iron boots". At least your criticism is consistent.
Fun fact: In one of their videos they called Greninja one of the top 10 easiest characters in the game
I think we should point out that the Ganon around the 2 minute mark in the proguides video was actually named "cpu" as if they're trying to show that you can beat cpu? (or they couldn't even beat a CPU lmao)
how I was taught to use a bow is hold the bow with your none dominate hand and draw with your dominate hand so links dominate hand is his right so he holds the bow with his left so he is right handed and a really nice attention to detail
Glad to see you back
Link IS left handed, they probably put his sword in his right hand to make it more visible. He was right handed in the Wii version of Twilight Princess bit that was because you would hold the Wii remote with your right hand
No, in Breath of the Wild, for reasons that are still unclear, the Hero of the Wild is right-handed. The Hero of Twilight and the Chosen Hero previously were only right-handed bc they were on the Wii, which is used mostly by righties, and are technically, canonically, lefties. This is also the case in BotW, where the Switch’s motion control features are used when aiming bows and the camera, not during swordplay. When the Hero of the Wild replaced the Hero of Twilight in Ultimate, his canonical hand dominance was preserved.
Oh, some random Reddit thread claims it’s because they couldn’t find a mixed-weapons mocap actor who was also leftie on top of the other skills needed to play Link. They could’ve mirrored him the enemies in the game, but it’s not the end of the world.
Link is usually left handed, with the exceptions being the wii games to account for motion controls, and Botw for... reasons...
When he said link was left-handed, it may be how he holds the bow. If you do archery, if you are right-eyed you use your left arm to hold the bow and the reverse is true. Therefore, he says an incorrect fact and doesn’t know how you hold a bow.
I could’ve sworn that you use your strongest arm to pull the arrow back, since that’s what requires the most strength in archery. I didn’t know it had anything to do with eye dominance.
Looking cool Pichu!
7:06 Missed a tech and didn't get up fast enough.
When he brought up the Iron Boots, I thought you were going to rip in to how irrelevant and random that trivia was. The physics of Iron Boots have NOTHING to do with Smash, and if you only play Link in Smash, there’s a good chance you’ve never even heard of Iron Boots! There is no situation where thinking about Iron Boots would distract you to the point of playing sloppily. It’s a quirk of items that doesn’t make sense but facilitates gameplay IN OCARINA AND TP, but why are they talking about it in a Smash video? I can’t even find the right words for how useless this tangent is.
Finally, a second video
mmmm love spamming down air and projectiles in a tournament setting
"poor, predictable proguides link. always takes down air."
"good ol' down air. nothing beats that!"
I think part of the problem here is that the Proguides guy looks like he's playing while he's talking. While that might (assuming that this is true) explain why he's playing so awfully in-game, it's really the kind of something that he should be sorting out himself, possibly by recording the gameplay and audio seperately.
They said they fixed Kirby but the only thing they changed was his air speed and got the ideas from some one else
So a guy walks into a bar with his BAOW….
whenever I play link I get punished for my true up throw up B combos but I get distracted by thinking about links boots
I like how some of these points are just about the quality and direction of the video.
This looks like the type of video they would put in gamestop on a screen above the in store console
12:50 for the "bow" moment
It seems super-DUPER weird to have the main channel’s intro sequence in these kinds of videos.
I only like the videos of them with Bonk. He is very nice and likeable and is a great player
The next step is making a demo reel that follows the script
21:28 LOLOLOLOPLL AHHHHHHH
DIDN'T LET MY MAN BREATHE AAAHHHHH