Really sorry about the audio (cracking and desync). Can't bring myself to make another video to replace it as it won't be organic. Consider just listening to this one and not watching. Again, apologies.
Goodbye Suboxone Hey man just wanna give you some of my experience. 1. You said in your first video “Some people are doing this in jail” and cringed. I just want you to know jail makes it much much easier. The whole mental aspect gets taken away along with 70% of mental anxiety. Lot of the anxieties you feel in withdrawals is knowing you can end it at any moment but in jail your just kinda forced to make it happen and there for you don’t think about it half as much. 2. The way I beat PAW was because in jail I joined a bloods workout 🏋️♀️ crew. I went in at 125lbs and came home 160lbs in 4 months. I never felt that good in my entire life. I could bang out 50 push ups on the spot like it was nothing. It truly cancels out any PAWs P.S- I should mention I told the nurse at the jail I was detoxing of Xanax (I lied) and they put me on a 2 week klonopin taper so I’m guessing that along with having no choice made it almost easy and that was a 3 year 10 bags a day heroin addiction Now I’m back stuck on Suboxone extremely depressed and I can’t seem to beat it at home on my own..
@@fairwell4456 I agree. Being locked up can be helpful since it removes the option to get more. I just cringed at the idea of going through the pain inside a cold, uncomfortable place (which I have done myself in a south San Francisco jail). Thanks for sharing your experience my friend. I wish you the best.
Goodbye Suboxone - Thanks for all these videos - I have watched them several since jumping off suboxone at the end of October. I am 4+ months in and struggling with extreme anxiety and fear. I jumped from 8mg after taking suboxone for around 8 years. I never struggled with anxiety until I quit suboxone. I have started seeing a psychiatrist (at the urging of my therapist). He is trying to find a medication to treat my anxiety and it has been trial and error for 2 months. At my last meeting, my psychiatrist said I shouldn’t still feel like this 4months out. I am afraid I will never improve. Part of me just wants to come off all medications. How was your anxiety throughout the withdrawal process? Am I crazy for still having intense PAWs? You are one of the few that I have found who jumped from a high dose like I did. Thanks for your feedback.
@@growingpains9324 hope you were able to stop. One day you just have to wake up and decide I'm not going to put anything unnatural in my body anymore. There's no easy way through it but you will get through it. It's a light at the end of the tunnel, eye on the prize type of journey. What helps me is when I do feel ok somedays, I don't lie to myself and say this is it im better. Just be grateful, know bad times will come again and learn to deal with them sober. Eventually you win the battles faster and easier.
I know it’s been years since this was posted, but I’d really love and appreciate an update! I’m sure there’s a lot of other people who not only feel the same, but would also support you. - Regardless of where you may find yourself today. Either way, your honesty and strength is admirable and I hope you’re doing well.
I just watched your video where you were two days off Suboxone then this video immediately after you look so much healthier congrats man I hope you have a long fulfilling life
Thank you for being so honest and upfront with your progress. It has helped me overcome a crippling addiction. I hope you are taking your time for yourself and I’m looking forward to an update? Much love from WV
I have noticed on suboxone I don’t mind the heat and sun but soon as I walk into cold after it is very umcomfortable. I’ve tapered to a low dose of sub about to make the jump. Your videos really allow me to push through so thank you. Hope you have a good night
What is up man!? I was super glad to see a video pop up on my phone from you today.. it's crazy how (relatively) little time you've been making these vids compared to how long you were on subs... yet I know it can feel like an eternity. Hope you're well, keep up the great work!
@@goodbyesuboxone4263 very happy for you man. I started watching your videos 3 years ago. While I didn't get sober right away, it got me on the right track. I am clean today. Bless you and your family.
Im day 10 coming off subs...your videos have really helped so far thanks for sharing...its bin rough so far but just trying keep busy ..after 10 years of subbys im sick of that life i hope i can do as well as u have...good luck for the future u have done brill
Hey brother. I see you haven’t posted in a while, and I’m praying you’re doing so well my friend! I’m on day 4 of subutex detox after being on 6-8mg for a year and a half. I went down to 1-2mg the last couple months before jumping though. You’ve helped me more than you’ll ever know. God bless you and continue to give you strength!☮️💜
I hate seeing so many people go through this. These days the best tool for getting off Suboxone by far is Sublocade. And as far as addiction, I personally believe it’s psychedelic therapy, and I hope it becomes more available soon. Kratom almost always ends up being a bad choice for people, but I don’t blame you for trying it, many people do. Everything in hindsight. People may not realize this because there is such an addiction stigma, but more withdrawal just creates more trauma. Sure that trauma helps us stay off these drugs, but I don’t believe it’s necessary to see the light on the other side. But yeah if anyone is looking for help, ask your doctor about Sublocade - you get a few injections max and then its half life is so long that it comes out naturally over time without withdrawal. You adapt to the doses dropping much easier because your dose is 100% bioavailable and gradually decreasing over time. Kratom can work, but it seems to only be effective for this in the very short term, similar to how Suboxone could be a good bridge off opioids if any doctors ever prescribed it this way. In my personal opinion, the ultimate way out of opioid addiction would be this - use suboxone as a bridge off opioids, stop within a couple weeks max. Get talk therapy with an addiction specialist immediately and stay in therapy for a couple years. Consider psychedelic therapy specifically to rewire the reward pathways away from using drugs to feel better and back to a baseline. It’s like being born again. I hope my comment can help someone. Hope you’re doing better these days man, no judgement from me, I hate that you had to go through so much, same goes for everyone who tried this way. Also generally after a Suboxone taper, people can expect to feel better 14 months after the jump. Which is horrible and almost undoable without therapy or SSRIs. Sublocade is the kind of medication that you adapt to along the ride, so many people feel back to normal 5 months after their last injection. Something for people to consider.
You're exactly right about the 14 months. On Jan. 4th, 2023, it will be 1 year since I jumped. I am extremely depressed, can't get any pleasure, and am on 2 different anti-depressants that are not helping with my low energy level. It's been a nightmare; I felt better at 3 1/2 months than I do at 11 months. This withdrawal has no end in sight, I think I did permanent damage, and I pray that I feel better at 14 months. I'm now taking naltrexone because I heard it can help lift the PAWS depression. It's only made me feel worse but I've only been on it for 3 days, so we'll see. I used Kratom and alcohol for the first 6 months then jumped into a rehab because the withdrawals from the Kratom and alcohol, combined with the suboxone PAWS, made it impossible to function. It's probably too late in the game for me to find a doctor who would give me sublacade. But it sounds like a great idea. I wish I could try the psychedelic route but I have no idea how to go about all that without getting ripped off by a scammer. Anyway, thanks for pointing out that 14-month mark. It's giving me a little hope. Take care
He is clean. There's nothing wrong with Kratom, its literally over the counter non narcotic. It's a level of addiction like coffee or soda/sugar. He's not gonna go through a hard couple months of withdraws or struggling without it honestly it takes like a week to kick. He probably kicked that a long time ago.
What the fuck kind of comment is that ? Throw stones much ? This guy is clean! Do you drink coffee? Then you’re in the same boat, because Kratom is in the coffee family. Damn man people never cease to amaze me.
Today is Day 1 taking Suboxone from getting off of kratom as a user of 6 years. My withdrawals are very severe. So I enjoyed watching these videos. I relate to them on a real level.. it’s very very difficult from what I’ve gathered also, if I can get off Suboxone as quick as possible once my brain has adjusted, the sooner the better. I don’t want to be on Suboxone long term as I see a lot of other people’s videos having a hard time getting off. I certainly don’t want to trade one addiction for the other. it’s been some time since you’ve updated and were taking kratom here so I’m very curious. I really hope you’re doing well!
Looking good brother. Your videos have been very helpful. I'm tapering off suboxone. I started from 16 mg/day now i'm down to 0.16mg/day. I've been tapering really slow (over a year) and so far no major withdrawal. Only minor stuff. I don't feel good, but i don't feel too horrible either and I can handle it. I Dissolve a 2mg suboxone pill into 36 drops of water and i take 3 drops (0,16mg) i'm planning on dropping down to 2 drops in like a week. Would have never believed such a small dose does anything, but it really does.. I feel very sick in the morning before i take my small dose. Hopefully soon I'll be free from this medication. Thank you for your helpful videos. Ps. I couldn't drink coffee because i would get anxiety while tapering, but i started taking it with L-Theanine. Now when i take it it calms be down and helps me focus. You get no anxiety/jitters if yo utake it with L-theanine.
@@MiromaTube Yeah. I've been off of it for about 7 months. Tapering down slow worked for me. Almost no withdrawals. Only minor stuff like no energy, difficulty sleeping etc. But it worked! I'm finally free, after 10 years in Hell. Anyone can do this if they want to!
Hey I got a question I’m on Suboxone im on a crumb size and have pain in my shoulder I’m going for trigger point injections and it’s not helping. I want to drop off what do you think I should do I have no energy and don’t really think the crumb is doing anything to me. I took opiates because I had an injury.
EVERY time I detox from like 16mg of subutex to o.4 or nothing I relapse !this has happened bout 3 or 4times now over the years.can take me year or two to detox off it all,then I'm off I just wanna use.....when will it end? Lol are u still off it....?can u make a recent video? Thanks
Failed. I’m 31 and extremely behind on building a life for myself. Way too scared of the “sickness” that’s ahead and I don’t know how to find the strength to get it done.
Do you think the weed was affecting the lack of motivation, social anxiety etc. Weed did that too me even before OPs lol Did you have these symptoms before subs?
From my own experience, the crushing anxiety and lack of energy and motivation is unavoidable when coming off opioids. The duration of months of these symptoms is what is the hardest part.
Day 1 of no suboxone... are you still clean ? Omg i am so scared but Im sick & tired of taking this crap & feeling like I'm living in a fog . Ughhh I hate it . Do you feel better being off it ??
Demon drug? I dont know i have to say i dont even know if id be alive if i didn't get on it but im 8 yrs on myself right now but i realize its time now.I have a 2yr old turning 3 in june and im ready to come off.My question to you tho is how long did you go to rehab?
Got to rehab as long as it takes. It will be the best thing you go for your child. I waited and said I could do it at home. I was in rehab 88 days. I needed longer care but insurance would not pay. Also dont go if you dont want it. You will fail. It is a shame I had to be in my 40s before I wanted more. I have a 23 yr old son. He is well and highly functional but u miss so so much. Also chose a rehab with a medical detox. You can't do it otherwise, in my opinion .
Think he said day 170 or 175. Its in the 10 month video. Just know that is is physically addictive. Much shorter half life, so some say it's easier to come off. Especially if you have the self control to taper down.
@@abbshurz I'm at 9 months off now.. No kratom.. no weed. 100% no mind alterations so that all of my nuero transmitters could repair at optimal speed. I honestly did nothing much at all for 7 months of that tho. I went back to work at the beginning of December and work 60-72 hours a week. It's a lot... But hey, I did it.
Just super scary thinking we’re never going to feel normal, motivated, social, energetic without something touching our opiate receptors. I’m 18 days off subs. I work from home and struggle through some small exercises. But if I have to leave the house to go to a soccer game or see family and friends I have to take 2 g of kratom still. Just sucks feeling like life is passing me by. When I was on 1.5 mg of subs for a few years I was very social, motivated, energetic, athletic. Hiking 20 miles through Yosemite etc. now it’s tough to even leave my house let alone go on a date or something without kratom touching my opiate receptors. I’ve been taking lots of supplements and I so think the gaba and dopa supplements work very well.
You can use DLPA to get off kratom. Try a good amino acid therapy or nootropics to help. They can really do wonders and most people are not aware of what they can do to help avoid PAWS. Sodium ascorbate is a must for withdrawals.
@@brandonfrancois9352 don’t tell people to start snorting their meds if they aren’t already that is a step in the wrong direction. The best way is volumetric dosing with a dropped.
To me it didn't help at first but now at day 50 it does help me I was on suboxon for 8yrs it was hell I had to do something to ease the w/d good look it gets alot easier
Sierra Martinez ugh when it would wear off it was hell. I will say it helped though. I ended up back on the crap and now I weaned down to 6 mg. I’m going to try again at 2 mg. I did find the subs blocked all the effects of kratom people talked about but it did take away the withdrawals pretty good but not 100% more like 65%. So absolutely worth a try, it does help some. The problem is getting through the 3-5 days until the subs are done saturating your receptors.
@@sierramartinez1793 I take about 3 tablespoons a day I have energy which that's a plus I'm around suboxon every day doesn't bother me I don't have any craves for them at all tg!! I'll eventually stop kratom but for now it's keeping me stable so I'm sticking with it lol day 50seems like alot but I'm still new off it so I'm doin what works to keep me off them ty for reply
Don't give up on taking the kratom it won't feel like it's working but it is it stops the creepy crawling feelings sleep while you can try the green strain of kratom it's what I use good luck just keep in mind every day it'll get better cause it does
While I respect Gabe's opinion, I will also say that not everyone is able to get clean from Suboxone (much less any opiate) on their own. I would certainly try and find help via a rehabilitation center, or a support group such as NA or AA. If you try and try, and nothing seems to work no matter how hard you fall down, then perhaps at that point it would be appropriate to consider other options such as kratom.
It isn't just like suboxone for me. I don't believe that I ever said it was and if I did that was innacurate. No, I don't regret anything about the past 3+ years of my life. My father nearly died and was in a coma for 2 months one year ago and I was able to be there for him the entire time until he woke up. I have gained back weight which was much needed and I now have a 2 month old baby girl who means the world to me. Wishing you all the best.
Kratom is NOT like Suboxone! Not at all! Do you drink coffee? Then that’s the same thing. Kratom is in the coffee family. It’s natural and nowhere near the same thing as a pharmaceutical drug.
Day 31 here after 15yrs on sub.....Kratom as a substitution is not good. First, suboxone is bad on the liver. Second, Kratom is even worse on the liver. It is all killing us slowly.....we just need to love life again without any receptor pops.
Day 50 here off suboxon I am using kratom for the process the w/d was hell I was on suboxon for 8yrs I jumped at 3mg the leg cramps was the longest thing to stop& they still bother me I'm in my 40s I agree with if I was younger it would have been easier..the w/d was bad enuff from suboxon that I don't want to ever touch them again!!!it was awful!!!
I'm sure you've found out by now that kratom opens the gates to other more harmful drugs. I used kratom for years and it becomes not enough but then when you realize that your far beyond the point of return. In my experience
I did 3k worth a dope a month to maintain. I’m 36 days clean. My physical w/ds lasted 22 days. I’m still shitting water. Massively depressed and anxious. Dope is plaguing my mind. I feel like a monk at a monetary.
@@Chief_Eagle_Dropping yes been clean since june 1 2021 feels so long ago but feels like yesterday. def worth feeling like shit for a year maybe 15 months
@@Chief_Eagle_Dropping thanks and nice! good shit. it is but at the same time not really because being strung out on dope is a shit existence. i remember being so dope sick id still be dope sick after doing dope.. ya know . its crazy how strung out your body can get and high your tolerance can be. its like you dont feel fucked up but your body and speech is in slow motion. towards the end i didnt even feel happiness getting high. after the 5 month mark getting clean, i remember drinking a red bull and walking the dog and i literally felt some happiness and it felt like i was high on heroine or some shit thats when i was like fuck man this aint too bad. ive been clean since, its still hard dont get me wrong. i still smoke weed which helps
@@Chief_Eagle_Dropping ALSO keep this in mind. i did. look up john frusciante, if you dont like rhcp. dude made us look like altar boys. he said that if he went straight for a year and didnt like being sober hed go back to drugs. that thought really helped me idk y, i guess because its less pressure? like john, i hit my 1 year and im still clean. think like john. after a year you can always go back, just go a year at least.
@@smaronboruah1921 he was off of all substances for about a half of a year, he felt something was missing so he decided to start on a small dose of kratom for a bit. I'm confident he will be able to kick the kratom and be sober
@@smaronboruah1921 Im sorry to hear that John. I am a human being, with all the worts and scars that come with being a human being. If you watch my early videos and then watch this one, and don't conclude that I am better off than I was by a ton, then I don't know what to tell you. I am not in this to impress anyone. I am here to tell an honest story, live and uncut. Kratom is NOT suboxone. I just had a baby girl and my life is better in every imaginable way thay it was on subs. I would never want to be your only source of hope...perhaps just a small piece of motivation at best. Don't look for others to be your foundation. You must find the strenth and hope within yourself when it is all said and done. I wish you only the best. PS, that whole "oh you just traded one thing for another" nonsense is what we all have drummed into us in rehab, AA and NA. It CAN be true. But it can also be a majorly unjustified generalization. Life is not black and white. There are gradations of good, bad and ugly. It important to be open minded and read between the lines. Otherwise you will forever be an "all or nothing" type of person and that can be tragic. Again, wishing you all the best John.
Lots of really naive “kratom is just like coffee bro” comments in these sorts of videos. Keep telling yourselves that… For those thinking kratom is some harmless plant that is sooooo easy to quit, I highly suggest you take a visual walk through the posts at quittingkratom on Reddit. For those who feel the need to countersignal me and defensively defend your drug of choice, go for it. We all enjoy evangelizing others with our addict denial…until we don’t. Kratom is a tool just like suboxone, and it has its place for sure, but stop spreading room temperature IQ propaganda from 2006 as you are potentially doing much harm to desperate people looking for easy solutions. As a former true believer in all the pro-Kratom idiocy(and a 9+ year user who is still struggling to get free of the green demon), I strongly encourage those of you that are thinking about using it to be wise enough to remember that there is no free lunch. Best of luck to everyone.
Yeah I quit subs after 11 years 4 months ago and Kratom was incredibly tempting. But I just knew it would be a whole new thing for me to have to deal with.
Lost all credibility when after months and months you substituted subs for kratom.. but you do look healthier. I guess ill follow your kratom journey now since youre hooked on that. Good luck. If you want a real positive success story. Dont follow this dude.
Oh shut the fuck up you bitter old piece of crap. Who the fuck are YOU to judge this man? Please, do tell us how many times you have successfully ceased using Suboxone after taking it every day for 8 years. Please do share with us all your experience with that. Don't forget to be vulnerable enough to make videos of yourself during the first few months when you are skinny and look and sound like s***. Then let's see how much better you look and sound than this man does after 3 months...6 months...1 year. Folks, let THIS ass hat who left this comment serve as warning for the fear, doubt and lack of fortitude that exists and will be looking to get in your way. What a sad loser you are sir.
@@HalfwayJac I quit subs and went to kratom. I hate kratom but i hate suboxone more and i'm pretty fresh off the subs. It's obvious kratom is not even in the same ball park compared to suboxone. It's like comparing heroin to tylenol 3's.
Just now seeing this comment for the first time. "Credibility"...that made me smile to be honest. I never made these videos for cheap clout or cred. These were made from the heart to try and share my experience. It is very plain to see that less than 1% of people who are on opiates long term (let alone suboxone) are ever able to free themselves. This isn't a pissing contest. It is a fight for our lives against a power much stronger than our own will. Most people in my situation stay on subs forever, go back to hard street drugs, and end up in jail, OD, or commit suicide. I live a wonderful life with my family. I was able to spend 2 months with my father who nearly died 2 years ago after heart surgury and was in a coma for 2 months. I was able to care for my 14 year old pitbull who lost all use of his back legs for an entire year. I also just had a beautiful baby girl 2 months ago. As hateful and as ignorant as this comment was, I still wish the person who left it all the best. I have been where he is. Bitter and hopeless, looking to blame everything on others. Nobody who has ever gone through what I have would ever make such a statement. I wish anyone reading this or watching my videos peace and happiness.
Lost credibility for taking Kratom over suboxone?! You nutz!? Not even in the same ballpark buddy. You sir are a punk and somehow your indicating my man is a cheater? Like he didnt do it?? He looks great and is an inspiration to all us users
Really sorry about the audio (cracking and desync). Can't bring myself to make another video to replace it as it won't be organic. Consider just listening to this one and not watching. Again, apologies.
Goodbye Suboxone Hey man just wanna give you some of my experience.
1. You said in your first video “Some people are doing this in jail” and cringed. I just want you to know jail makes it much much easier. The whole mental aspect gets taken away along with 70% of mental anxiety. Lot of the anxieties you feel in withdrawals is knowing you can end it at any moment but in jail your just kinda forced to make it happen and there for you don’t think about it half as much.
2. The way I beat PAW was because in jail I joined a bloods workout 🏋️♀️ crew. I went in at 125lbs and came home 160lbs in 4 months. I never felt that good in my entire life. I could bang out 50 push ups on the spot like it was nothing. It truly cancels out any PAWs
P.S- I should mention I told the nurse at the jail I was detoxing of Xanax (I lied) and they put me on a 2 week klonopin taper so I’m guessing that along with having no choice made it almost easy and that was a 3 year 10 bags a day heroin addiction
Now I’m back stuck on Suboxone extremely depressed and I can’t seem to beat it at home on my own..
@@fairwell4456 I agree. Being locked up can be helpful since it removes the option to get more. I just cringed at the idea of going through the pain inside a cold, uncomfortable place (which I have done myself in a south San Francisco jail).
Thanks for sharing your experience my friend. I wish you the best.
I'm on Suboxone now about 9 years I'm wanting to quit my memory is so bad did you have an issue with memory vision an being in a fog
Goodbye Suboxone - Thanks for all these videos - I have watched them several since jumping off suboxone at the end of October. I am 4+ months in and struggling with extreme anxiety and fear. I jumped from 8mg after taking suboxone for around 8 years. I never struggled with anxiety until I quit suboxone. I have started seeing a psychiatrist (at the urging of my therapist). He is trying to find a medication to treat my anxiety and it has been trial and error for 2 months. At my last meeting, my psychiatrist said I shouldn’t still feel like this 4months out. I am afraid I will never improve. Part of me just wants to come off all medications. How was your anxiety throughout the withdrawal process? Am I crazy for still having intense PAWs? You are one of the few that I have found who jumped from a high dose like I did. Thanks for your feedback.
@@growingpains9324 hope you were able to stop. One day you just have to wake up and decide I'm not going to put anything unnatural in my body anymore. There's no easy way through it but you will get through it. It's a light at the end of the tunnel, eye on the prize type of journey. What helps me is when I do feel ok somedays, I don't lie to myself and say this is it im better. Just be grateful, know bad times will come again and learn to deal with them sober. Eventually you win the battles faster and easier.
I know it’s been years since this was posted, but I’d really love and appreciate an update! I’m sure there’s a lot of other people who not only feel the same, but would also support you. - Regardless of where you may find yourself today.
Either way, your honesty and strength is admirable and I hope you’re doing well.
I just watched your video where you were two days off Suboxone then this video immediately after you look so much healthier congrats man I hope you have a long fulfilling life
I wish you the same friend.
Same here, right from day 2 to here. What's been up?
@@letmepikachu1210 Im doing well. Just had a kid. Thanks for asking. Hope you are well.
I’ve seen all you vids man. Much appreciated seeing you make it gives me motivation to be done. It’s been a few years now maybe do an update
Thank you for being so honest and upfront with your progress. It has helped me overcome a crippling addiction. I hope you are taking your time for yourself and I’m looking forward to an update? Much love from WV
Thanks Rich. I appreciate the kind words.
You look great man. Brilliant , hope giving video. Thank you.
I have noticed on suboxone I don’t mind the heat and sun but soon as I walk into cold after it is very umcomfortable. I’ve tapered to a low dose of sub about to make the jump. Your videos really allow me to push through so thank you. Hope you have a good night
Thank you Caleb. Hope you are well.
Also bro looking back at your first videos you look way way more healthy man keep it up
What is up man!? I was super glad to see a video pop up on my phone from you today.. it's crazy how (relatively) little time you've been making these vids compared to how long you were on subs... yet I know it can feel like an eternity. Hope you're well, keep up the great work!
Thanks John. Glad to hear from you. Hope all is well.
You're a rock star. Thanks for openly and honestly sharing your experience.
Thanks very much Mark.
So glad you are well I watched your videos when I was coming off subs they really helped me..Hope things are still good for u 😀
Things are very good. I just had a baby girl. I hope you are well too.
@@goodbyesuboxone4263 very happy for you man. I started watching your videos 3 years ago. While I didn't get sober right away, it got me on the right track. I am clean today. Bless you and your family.
Im day 10 coming off subs...your videos have really helped so far thanks for sharing...its bin rough so far but just trying keep busy ..after 10 years of subbys im sick of that life i hope i can do as well as u have...good luck for the future u have done brill
What things have you tried to help? I'm going to do exactly what he did... I'm on day 4!
@@lindseygore5674 How are you now Lidsay?
Hey brother. I see you haven’t posted in a while, and I’m praying you’re doing so well my friend! I’m on day 4 of subutex detox after being on 6-8mg for a year and a half. I went down to 1-2mg the last couple months before jumping though. You’ve helped me more than you’ll ever know. God bless you and continue to give you strength!☮️💜
He died
Died ?
Glad you’re alive man.
So am I friend. Thanks for stopping by.
I hate seeing so many people go through this. These days the best tool for getting off Suboxone by far is Sublocade. And as far as addiction, I personally believe it’s psychedelic therapy, and I hope it becomes more available soon.
Kratom almost always ends up being a bad choice for people, but I don’t blame you for trying it, many people do. Everything in hindsight.
People may not realize this because there is such an addiction stigma, but more withdrawal just creates more trauma. Sure that trauma helps us stay off these drugs, but I don’t believe it’s necessary to see the light on the other side.
But yeah if anyone is looking for help, ask your doctor about Sublocade - you get a few injections max and then its half life is so long that it comes out naturally over time without withdrawal. You adapt to the doses dropping much easier because your dose is 100% bioavailable and gradually decreasing over time.
Kratom can work, but it seems to only be effective for this in the very short term, similar to how Suboxone could be a good bridge off opioids if any doctors ever prescribed it this way.
In my personal opinion, the ultimate way out of opioid addiction would be this - use suboxone as a bridge off opioids, stop within a couple weeks max. Get talk therapy with an addiction specialist immediately and stay in therapy for a couple years. Consider psychedelic therapy specifically to rewire the reward pathways away from using drugs to feel better and back to a baseline. It’s like being born again.
I hope my comment can help someone. Hope you’re doing better these days man, no judgement from me, I hate that you had to go through so much, same goes for everyone who tried this way.
Also generally after a Suboxone taper, people can expect to feel better 14 months after the jump. Which is horrible and almost undoable without therapy or SSRIs. Sublocade is the kind of medication that you adapt to along the ride, so many people feel back to normal 5 months after their last injection. Something for people to consider.
You're exactly right about the 14 months. On Jan. 4th, 2023, it will be 1 year since I jumped. I am extremely depressed, can't get any pleasure, and am on 2 different anti-depressants that are not helping with my low energy level. It's been a nightmare; I felt better at 3 1/2 months than I do at 11 months. This withdrawal has no end in sight, I think I did permanent damage, and I pray that I feel better at 14 months. I'm now taking naltrexone because I heard it can help lift the PAWS depression. It's only made me feel worse but I've only been on it for 3 days, so we'll see. I used Kratom and alcohol for the first 6 months then jumped into a rehab because the withdrawals from the Kratom and alcohol, combined with the suboxone PAWS, made it impossible to function. It's probably too late in the game for me to find a doctor who would give me sublacade. But it sounds like a great idea. I wish I could try the psychedelic route but I have no idea how to go about all that without getting ripped off by a scammer. Anyway, thanks for pointing out that 14-month mark. It's giving me a little hope. Take care
Hey Wess, glad to see another video from you buddy
Thanks Reid. Hope you are well.
How are you these days buddy?
Man wish you would make another video just to let everyone know how you are now in 2021 !!!
Or in 2022...
@@miguelpereira7934 Or in 2023...
I wish you’d put up a new video!
Damn I thought you were completely clean bro. I hope you get off everything. Stay clean people. It's a struggle but we can do it
He is clean. There's nothing wrong with Kratom, its literally over the counter non narcotic. It's a level of addiction like coffee or soda/sugar. He's not gonna go through a hard couple months of withdraws or struggling without it honestly it takes like a week to kick. He probably kicked that a long time ago.
What the fuck kind of comment is that ? Throw stones much ? This guy is clean! Do you drink coffee? Then you’re in the same boat, because Kratom is in the coffee family. Damn man people never cease to amaze me.
kratom is a drug your wrong just look it up here@@thetattooedguy1413
Today is Day 1 taking Suboxone from getting off of kratom as a user of 6 years. My withdrawals are very severe. So I enjoyed watching these videos. I relate to them on a real level.. it’s very very difficult from what I’ve gathered also, if I can get off Suboxone as quick as possible once my brain has adjusted, the sooner the better. I don’t want to be on Suboxone long term as I see a lot of other people’s videos having a hard time getting off. I certainly don’t want to trade one addiction for the other. it’s been some time since you’ve updated and were taking kratom here so I’m very curious. I really hope you’re doing well!
Got that color back..thats great.. i just watched your day 2 video and u were pale..looks like black and white to color tv
Looking good brother. Your videos have been very helpful. I'm tapering off suboxone. I started from 16 mg/day now i'm down to 0.16mg/day. I've been tapering really slow (over a year) and so far no major withdrawal. Only minor stuff. I don't feel good, but i don't feel too horrible either and I can handle it. I Dissolve a 2mg suboxone pill into 36 drops of water and i take 3 drops (0,16mg) i'm planning on dropping down to 2 drops in like a week. Would have never believed such a small dose does anything, but it really does.. I feel very sick in the morning before i take my small dose. Hopefully soon I'll be free from this medication. Thank you for your helpful videos.
Ps. I couldn't drink coffee because i would get anxiety while tapering, but i started taking it with L-Theanine. Now when i take it it calms be down and helps me focus. You get no anxiety/jitters if yo utake it with L-theanine.
Hey, have you got off it?
@@MiromaTube Yeah. I've been off of it for about 7 months. Tapering down slow worked for me. Almost no withdrawals. Only minor stuff like no energy, difficulty sleeping etc. But it worked! I'm finally free, after 10 years in Hell. Anyone can do this if they want to!
@@JaakkoJohannes Do you feel as good as you did before ever even starting? 10 years of hell for me on this shit.
@@JaakkoJohannes I'm smiling rn. 😁🙏 YOU MADE IT!!! Gives me hope. I'm tapering f suboxone
Wow u look amazing. What a journey. I'm on my withdrawal mode off suboxone and mixing percs. It's not a fun ride but its either this or die
How was the Suboxone withdrawal
Hey I got a question I’m on Suboxone im on a crumb size and have pain in my shoulder I’m going for trigger point injections and it’s not helping. I want to drop off what do you think I should do I have no energy and don’t really think the crumb is doing anything to me. I took opiates because I had an injury.
The sun makes me feel amazing, I feel it's life and energy for me, I'm on day 19 off suboxone with kratom for maintenance. I feel I need sun 🌞😭
Thank you man
EVERY time I detox from like 16mg of subutex to o.4 or nothing I relapse !this has happened bout 3 or 4times now over the years.can take me year or two to detox off it all,then I'm off I just wanna use.....when will it end? Lol are u still off it....?can u make a recent video? Thanks
I'm 7 days in cold Turkey when did it end??????????
Holy crap u look so different than your day 5 video. I'm 2 years behind you on day 5 of kicking Suboxone and I'm on your shit bro!
How are you now Brent? Please keep in touch.
Failed. I’m 31 and extremely behind on building a life for myself. Way too scared of the “sickness” that’s ahead and I don’t know how to find the strength to get it done.
Do you think the weed was affecting the lack of motivation, social anxiety etc. Weed did that too me even before OPs lol Did you have these symptoms before subs?
From my own experience, the crushing anxiety and lack of energy and motivation is unavoidable when coming off opioids. The duration of months of these symptoms is what is the hardest part.
Day 1 of no suboxone... are you still clean ? Omg i am so scared but Im sick & tired of taking this crap & feeling like I'm living in a fog . Ughhh I hate it . Do you feel better being off it ??
damn u look so alive bro!!!!
Thanks dude. Very kind of you.
@@goodbyesuboxone4263 uve jumped at how.much already i cant find it on any of ur vids (im at 4 mg atm)
Has anyone here ever had chest pains or chest pressure from suboxone or while being on suboxone ? Or is it just anxiety?
Spent 8 yrs on this demon drug. If you are on it STOP now and go to rehab! Do not stay on it.. I wasted so much time.
Demon drug? I dont know i have to say i dont even know if id be alive if i didn't get on it but im 8 yrs on myself right now but i realize its time now.I have a 2yr old turning 3 in june and im ready to come off.My question to you tho is how long did you go to rehab?
Got to rehab as long as it takes. It will be the best thing you go for your child. I waited and said I could do it at home. I was in rehab 88 days. I needed longer care but insurance would not pay. Also dont go if you dont want it. You will fail. It is a shame I had to be in my 40s before I wanted more. I have a 23 yr old son. He is well and highly functional but u miss so so much. Also chose a rehab with a medical detox. You can't do it otherwise, in my opinion .
What rehab did you go to?
I went to cycles of change in East LA county.
Same here I’ve been on it since 2007-2008 I’m over it
How much does the kradom work
Hey man, when did you start taking kratom to ease your withdrawal?
Awesome job on your accomplishments. 👍
Think he said day 170 or 175. Its in the 10 month video. Just know that is is physically addictive. Much shorter half life, so some say it's easier to come off. Especially if you have the self control to taper down.
@@abbshurz I'm at 9 months off now.. No kratom.. no weed. 100% no mind alterations so that all of my nuero transmitters could repair at optimal speed. I honestly did nothing much at all for 7 months of that tho. I went back to work at the beginning of December and work 60-72 hours a week. It's a lot... But hey, I did it.
Just super scary thinking we’re never going to feel normal, motivated, social, energetic without something touching our opiate receptors. I’m 18 days off subs. I work from home and struggle through some small exercises. But if I have to leave the house to go to a soccer game or see family and friends I have to take 2 g of kratom still. Just sucks feeling like life is passing me by. When I was on 1.5 mg of subs for a few years I was very social, motivated, energetic, athletic. Hiking 20 miles through Yosemite etc. now it’s tough to even leave my house let alone go on a date or something without kratom touching my opiate receptors. I’ve been taking lots of supplements and I so think the gaba and dopa supplements work very well.
You look so much better
Can you make a new video and let us know how your doing
You can use DLPA to get off kratom.
Try a good amino acid therapy or nootropics to help. They can really do wonders and most people are not aware of what they can do to help avoid PAWS. Sodium ascorbate is a must for withdrawals.
so did u relapse or are u still off it
Wondering how you are doing ?
Do you recommend using kratom during suboxone withdrawal until the suboxone withdrawals are over?
take a piece of sub and dissolve is in a saline nasal spray bottle and just use it every time you absolutely have too
@@brandonfrancois9352 don’t tell people to start snorting their meds if they aren’t already that is a step in the wrong direction. The best way is volumetric dosing with a dropped.
I’m jumping off tomorrow at 8 mg down from 16 mg for 10 years! Wish me luck. Using Kratom.
Hows the Kratom going?
To me it didn't help at first but now at day 50 it does help me I was on suboxon for 8yrs it was hell I had to do something to ease the w/d good look it gets alot easier
Sierra Martinez ugh when it would wear off it was hell. I will say it helped though. I ended up back on the crap and now I weaned down to 6 mg. I’m going to try again at 2 mg. I did find the subs blocked all the effects of kratom people talked about but it did take away the withdrawals pretty good but not 100% more like 65%. So absolutely worth a try, it does help some. The problem is getting through the 3-5 days until the subs are done saturating your receptors.
@@sierramartinez1793 I take about 3 tablespoons a day I have energy which that's a plus I'm around suboxon every day doesn't bother me I don't have any craves for them at all tg!! I'll eventually stop kratom but for now it's keeping me stable so I'm sticking with it lol day 50seems like alot but I'm still new off it so I'm doin what works to keep me off them ty for reply
Don't give up on taking the kratom it won't feel like it's working but it is it stops the creepy crawling feelings sleep while you can try the green strain of kratom it's what I use good luck just keep in mind every day it'll get better cause it does
still doing good?
Im on Day 5 now. Just started moving today and got dressed. Ive been making videos of the process.
How are you doing today?
Can you post your videos?
@@seekingfreedom9020 it’s coming. 10 months today! Hit a bit of a snag with the police on Jan 1st.
I’m thinking of trying Kratom to get off subs. Any suggestions on brand or strain
None. You don’t need kratom. I promise
While I respect Gabe's opinion, I will also say that not everyone is able to get clean from Suboxone (much less any opiate) on their own. I would certainly try and find help via a rehabilitation center, or a support group such as NA or AA. If you try and try, and nothing seems to work no matter how hard you fall down, then perhaps at that point it would be appropriate to consider other options such as kratom.
O.P.M.S Green Mangda
@@charlieortiz7971 agreed bro. Or the OPMS gold caps. Expensive but worth it for the acute phase
Hey how are ya take care
That dark cloud follows you for a long time
Are you still on Kratom??
Did you stay clean? Either way hope you are doing well at the moment
So you your traded addictions from sub to kratom
damn! what a difference! if i could give 10 thumps up, i'd give you 20!
LOL Thank you. : )
How old are you ?
Do you regret getting on kratom? Since it's just like suboxone for you?
It isn't just like suboxone for me. I don't believe that I ever said it was and if I did that was innacurate. No, I don't regret anything about the past 3+ years of my life. My father nearly died and was in a coma for 2 months one year ago and I was able to be there for him the entire time until he woke up. I have gained back weight which was much needed and I now have a 2 month old baby girl who means the world to me.
Wishing you all the best.
Kratom is NOT like Suboxone! Not at all! Do you drink coffee? Then that’s the same thing. Kratom is in the coffee family. It’s natural and nowhere near the same thing as a pharmaceutical drug.
Day 31 here after 15yrs on sub.....Kratom as a substitution is not good. First, suboxone is bad on the liver. Second, Kratom is even worse on the liver. It is all killing us slowly.....we just need to love life again without any receptor pops.
Its been 5 months ans i still feel like shit :(
Day 50 here off suboxon I am using kratom for the process the w/d was hell I was on suboxon for 8yrs I jumped at 3mg the leg cramps was the longest thing to stop& they still bother me I'm in my 40s I agree with if I was younger it would have been easier..the w/d was bad enuff from suboxon that I don't want to ever touch them again!!!it was awful!!!
Where can I find kratom at?
I'm sure you've found out by now that kratom opens the gates to other more harmful drugs. I used kratom for years and it becomes not enough but then when you realize that your far beyond the point of return. In my experience
I did 3k worth a dope a month to maintain. I’m 36 days clean. My physical w/ds lasted 22 days. I’m still shitting water. Massively depressed and anxious. Dope is plaguing my mind. I feel like a monk at a monetary.
Well? Did you make it.....
@@Chief_Eagle_Dropping yes been clean since june 1 2021 feels so long ago but feels like yesterday. def worth feeling like shit for a year maybe 15 months
@@Tommy-ni1yw good for you!! Day 33 here.....long road
@@Chief_Eagle_Dropping thanks and nice! good shit. it is but at the same time not really because being strung out on dope is a shit existence. i remember being so dope sick id still be dope sick after doing dope.. ya know . its crazy how strung out your body can get and high your tolerance can be. its like you dont feel fucked up but your body and speech is in slow motion. towards the end i didnt even feel happiness getting high. after the 5 month mark getting clean, i remember drinking a red bull and walking the dog and i literally felt some happiness and it felt like i was high on heroine or some shit thats when i was like fuck man this aint too bad. ive been clean since, its still hard dont get me wrong. i still smoke weed which helps
@@Chief_Eagle_Dropping ALSO keep this in mind. i did. look up john frusciante, if you dont like rhcp. dude made us look like altar boys. he said that if he went straight for a year and didnt like being sober hed go back to drugs. that thought really helped me idk y, i guess because its less pressure? like john, i hit my 1 year and im still clean. think like john. after a year you can always go back, just go a year at least.
So proud of you. I'm tapering off now
How’s it going?
kratom, that's like taking a step backwards
You still on Kratom?
Yes.
@@goodbyesuboxone4263 so you didn't really detox because you jumped on to another substance :( lost some hope reading your comment
@@smaronboruah1921 he was off of all substances for about a half of a year, he felt something was missing so he decided to start on a small dose of kratom for a bit. I'm confident he will be able to kick the kratom and be sober
@@smaronboruah1921 Im sorry to hear that John. I am a human being, with all the worts and scars that come with being a human being. If you watch my early videos and then watch this one, and don't conclude that I am better off than I was by a ton, then I don't know what to tell you. I am not in this to impress anyone. I am here to tell an honest story, live and uncut. Kratom is NOT suboxone. I just had a baby girl and my life is better in every imaginable way thay it was on subs. I would never want to be your only source of hope...perhaps just a small piece of motivation at best. Don't look for others to be your foundation. You must find the strenth and hope within yourself when it is all said and done.
I wish you only the best.
PS, that whole "oh you just traded one thing for another" nonsense is what we all have drummed into us in rehab, AA and NA. It CAN be true. But it can also be a majorly unjustified generalization. Life is not black and white. There are gradations of good, bad and ugly. It important to be open minded and read between the lines. Otherwise you will forever be an "all or nothing" type of person and that can be tragic.
Again, wishing you all the best John.
Lots of really naive “kratom is just like coffee bro” comments in these sorts of videos. Keep telling yourselves that…
For those thinking kratom is some harmless plant that is sooooo easy to quit, I highly suggest you take a visual walk through the posts at quittingkratom on Reddit. For those who feel the need to countersignal me and defensively defend your drug of choice, go for it. We all enjoy evangelizing others with our addict denial…until we don’t. Kratom is a tool just like suboxone, and it has its place for sure, but stop spreading room temperature IQ propaganda from 2006 as you are potentially doing much harm to desperate people looking for easy solutions. As a former true believer in all the pro-Kratom idiocy(and a 9+ year user who is still struggling to get free of the green demon), I strongly encourage those of you that are thinking about using it to be wise enough to remember that there is no free lunch. Best of luck to everyone.
Yeah I quit subs after 11 years 4 months ago and Kratom was incredibly tempting. But I just knew it would be a whole new thing for me to have to deal with.
So sad to see he traded addictions
If you ever want to talk I am Kelly Sims on fb . Currently living in Batesville, Indiana from Tampa Florida. Hope to hear from you!
Did you find a job yet buddy?
Hey I am Nicole. I am actually tapering with my doctor! I have a channel and If u need any support come hang with us!!!!
This channels got me worried man.. no talks about meetings. Being around positive people.. idk man..
Hope all is well
Unless your taking nothing you arent clean
Lost all credibility when after months and months you substituted subs for kratom.. but you do look healthier. I guess ill follow your kratom journey now since youre hooked on that. Good luck. If you want a real positive success story. Dont follow this dude.
Oh shut the fuck up you bitter old piece of crap. Who the fuck are YOU to judge this man? Please, do tell us how many times you have successfully ceased using Suboxone after taking it every day for 8 years. Please do share with us all your experience with that. Don't forget to be vulnerable enough to make videos of yourself during the first few months when you are skinny and look and sound like s***. Then let's see how much better you look and sound than this man does after 3 months...6 months...1 year.
Folks, let THIS ass hat who left this comment serve as warning for the fear, doubt and lack of fortitude that exists and will be looking to get in your way.
What a sad loser you are sir.
Ding Dong I second what you just said!
@@HalfwayJac I quit subs and went to kratom. I hate kratom but i hate suboxone more and i'm pretty fresh off the subs. It's obvious kratom is not even in the same ball park compared to suboxone. It's like comparing heroin to tylenol 3's.
Just now seeing this comment for the first time. "Credibility"...that made me smile to be honest. I never made these videos for cheap clout or cred. These were made from the heart to try and share my experience. It is very plain to see that less than 1% of people who are on opiates long term (let alone suboxone) are ever able to free themselves. This isn't a pissing contest. It is a fight for our lives against a power much stronger than our own will. Most people in my situation stay on subs forever, go back to hard street drugs, and end up in jail, OD, or commit suicide. I live a wonderful life with my family. I was able to spend 2 months with my father who nearly died 2 years ago after heart surgury and was in a coma for 2 months. I was able to care for my 14 year old pitbull who lost all use of his back legs for an entire year. I also just had a beautiful baby girl 2 months ago. As hateful and as ignorant as this comment was, I still wish the person who left it all the best. I have been where he is. Bitter and hopeless, looking to blame everything on others. Nobody who has ever gone through what I have would ever make such a statement.
I wish anyone reading this or watching my videos peace and happiness.
Lost credibility for taking Kratom over suboxone?! You nutz!? Not even in the same ballpark buddy. You sir are a punk and somehow your indicating my man is a cheater? Like he didnt do it?? He looks great and is an inspiration to all us users