Great video, thanks for sharing this comparison! That's so cool to see the community build the pvs69 with the quadcopter cameras. I installed one of those runcam night eagles in a quad years ago and I probably have a couple still sitting around in boxes.
A tinygo/tinywhoop with a night eagle camera and IR LED soldered onto it could peek or scout every corner in a house, if the pilot had a radio with the team inside they could basically have a sixth sense and a flying flashlight.
Bloke. Another great upload. Great to see you are getting some sponsors and support. Re: nvg30s. Was experimenting with mine and trying passive aiming. Thoughts on having a IR light mounted forward of the red dot sight? I found the nvg30s in build ir would flood the screen of the red dot sight. With ir turned off I could see the dot easy
Thanks! I hope this video continues to do well. Having IR illum In front of the red dot should work great, you may have to up the power of the dot a little bit to make it fully visible
Thanks man! Glad to see you commenting here. Logistics are getting weird with some gen 3 stuff, but I do have some good glass on loan and cool stuff coming.
@@ironman8257 thank you! I intentionally leave the ambience in the background as I feel it adds to the chill feeling imo (at least for Midwest people lol)
Thanks for the comparison. After losing my old, beat up PVS-7 to a tweaker break in during cancer, I bought an NVG-30, not expecting much. Man, was I wrong. The NVG30 is really the vanguard of what digital night vision is capable of. Inasmuch as analog NV followers may say: “digital will never be as good as analog”, I regret to inform them that while digital has not quite passed analog on the highway of night vision, the turn signal is on and the gas pedal is being pressed. The real tell will be: improving technology, while keeping prices low. I’m certainly not running and gunning with my NVG-30, but at 40fps (not why they bothered with 30fps) the latency on it is surprisingly low. I’ve also found WP setting to be the sweet spot and I turned off all icons - just a clean screen. The compass, crosshairs etc, were too busy for me. I’ve also found auto gain to be the best suited, even though it’s a bit bothersome at first. Leaving the gain in high, just doesn’t work for my eyes. I also wish there were a dedicated app for this. The instruction manual indicates there is one, but I have yet to be successful with the QR code. An app with firmware updates (if there are any) would be great. I was going to bino this unit with another one, but I think I’ll be investing instead into the new, wide angle lens for this and calling it done. Down the road, I may be buying an ADNV - which also looks amazing and the SE is now running well under the Opsin and far far below the PVS-14’s, while offering pretty incredible utility. Thanks again for your review!
No problem and thanks for the comment! Im glad you are happy with your NVG30, I currently have a ADNV G14SE on loan to me and its straight incredible. analog Gen2+ level of preformance. I do agree with you and wish the NVG30 had a better app.
Absolute must see video, great job! Thank you for sharing your work with us. Just one (double) question: what is the F/# for the lens of the NVG30, and what is the sensor used within ? Thank you for your feedback.
@@extrudedshoots , thank you for your reply. For knowing the F/#, we would need to know the dimensions of the sensor. With the fov (40° horizontal if i remember well), it would be quite easy to find the focal lens of the lens and therefore to obtain F/#. Do you know the size of the sensor ?
Ok so I don’t airsoft or plan on sprinting around but are the NVG30 adequate enough for the occasional plinking with a 22 and IR laser and light? How much more effective does say a weapon mount IR light make these in terms of being able to identify/the range of a target?
I use a Team Wendy. Their politics kinda suck but the product is great, especially for the price. The stock pads are good but I believe you can also put 4D pads in it.
@@extrudedshoots I got the $32 amazon one , pulled the crap Styrofoam liner out and got a $12 pad kit and with a lil tweaking i got it to fit great (no headaches or hot-spots) that combined with the counter weight i don't need the strap on to keep it from moving around so it (nvg30) stays aligned with my eye very solidly , probably upgrade the strap to a wendys knockoff at some point ,crazy how the price on the nvg30 went up in the last 12 months, got mine from ali express for $289 as a black Friday special. With the Streamlight sidewinder i still have less than $500 in the whole set up Thanks for the vids, they have been a huge help in putting everything together.
PVS-69 seems to sit at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to digital NVGs. Kinda sad, since that's the most affordable/customizable option - newest version, you can even swap from digital to NVGs. Wish there were more DIY options that produce the type of results we see from the NVG-30s (Which seems to look better than the Opsin and even analog in some scenarios)
I agree. I need to get my hands on the alpha 69s because on paper I think they are really good NvGs. I also would love to see the NVG30 sensor in a 69 housing
I have both and the pvs69 is excellent even in digital!! Looking forward to changing it over to analog though… that said the nvg30 is a really great device
Seems to me that if you're going to use these kinds of things for security around your house, you should invest in some IR light bulbs that run at night. That way, even the cheapest system will work well and you'll still have the advantage of using them with IR off so you have concealment.
Hey, loved the video but in the future would you be able to compare distances? I was hoping to find out how far the NVG30 can see VS the others, thank you
When are you gonna do a video on the 3-D printed analog? There’s a bunch of us interested and that! Your experience what in the process, what to avoid what you would do differently if this is a project that you consider worth it cost time wise and financial.
Hi, I Finally got one of those NVG-30's but I noticed there is lag when you move quickly? I thought that was fixed in the NVG30 since the 10 lagged so bad on movement. There is still a lot of lag while moving even on 40fps. I think they need to make this unit 50-60fps to correct the problem. 30fps is completely useless on movement I have no idea why that is the default?
I mean it’s almost less than a 1/4th of the price. If I drop the cameras on the opsin to the same as the NVG30 it preformed better, but that beats the point in my opinion
That's because the Opsin is set to 90hz in every test, near triple the frame rate of the 30-40 fps NVG30. Dropping it down to 30 or even 60 would give far better low light performance.
i noticed the gain on the opsin was adjusted in many of the shots. is there a reason for the adjustments? did you try and use the gain to provide the best performance?
@@irodwen I haven’t watched Karl’s review in a while, but if I remeber it correctly he heavily overhyped it. Hops review is fantastic and shares many of my opinions
yesterday in the game I looked at the NVG30 and was surprised when the eye does not see the NVG30 gives a good picture without IR illumination a night sight from China for 150 dollars showed a black screen but the NVG30 allowed me to see leaves and branches at a distance of 10 meters taking into account the price and unpretentiousness a good option than the EPO 2 generation 2+
@@extrudedshoots yeah I’ve heard some kinda fishy stories about them … the second gen is supposed to be 90fps which coupled with their modified fisheye lense will make them the best in the market if they can pull it off.. plus made of aluminum
Awesome video, a real service to many of us...and very encouraging. As an NVG 30 owner, I can tell you that I am proud of how it stacked up, and I am thankful to have the capability it provides...Thanks again and all the best with the channel...
Honestly I feel the only things the NVG 30's miss is a way to make them auto power on when pulled down( and auto turn off when pulled up), and if they could be powered through the bridge instead of just the USB-C for external power.
You should test out the 50 degree lens that is now available to give a better FOV. I wonder if that lens increases magnification or just FOV as you know the Chinese give very little information.
@@extrudedshoots What is it a 1.2x etc? I am just wondering how much it changes it, there is another person that made a mod to give more FOV but you have to remove the old lens and it is not adjustable for distance.
some of those printed parts need some serious tweaking to the settings lol some of them are looking rough. it is possible to get way cleaner prints than that. just some constructive criticism
For serious use, do not go with any other than analog and maybe the opsin. Yes that includes MSW games. You will be a walking lighthouse for people with actual night visions, you will get your friend and yourself shwacked.
NVG30 works great without IR light. I actually had a few Airsoft games against gen2+ and gen3 analog users and outplayed them. What I'm saying is that it's all about practicing your eye. Even the best NVG won't make you better if you are not training with it.
@@TheFunkyHalfMexican I can't tell actual numbers to be honest but as per unofficial sources on reddit I saw something like 0.1 seconds or about 100ms. Personal experience as long as you don't move your head constantly fast left/right it's all good. Even when I move my head a lot it still shows actual stuff it doesn't blur completely to a state you don't see anything. I wouldn't recommend running with it though Ive done it. Overall I think it's great especially considering night airsoft games a much slower paced than day games. I have over 20 successful hits for a total of 2 night games (3 hours each). 100% I recommend using an IR laser for passive aiming because it's much easier than using a red dot. Hope that helps
@@TheFunkyHalfMexican glad to help bro. I will soon make a video review comparing them to a GEN3 Analog Tubes but on another YT channel. It will be targeted particularly towards airsoft usage pros and cons. I will remember to come back to this thread and let you know once it's uploaded.
Great video, thanks for sharing this comparison! That's so cool to see the community build the pvs69 with the quadcopter cameras. I installed one of those runcam night eagles in a quad years ago and I probably have a couple still sitting around in boxes.
Thanks! They are really neat. Not the best performer at all but a fun project. I would check it out for sure
Now this has me wondering about the viability of using an FPV drone as a mobile IR illumination source.
@@alexstixx Thats a really neat idea ngl. Kinda like a mini AC130 IR flood
A tinygo/tinywhoop with a night eagle camera and IR LED soldered onto it could peek or scout every corner in a house, if the pilot had a radio with the team inside they could basically have a sixth sense and a flying flashlight.
@@alexstixx really cool idea i like this
Great comparison. Hope the channel keeps growing
Thank you! me too. i have so much interesting stuff coming
Bloke. Another great upload. Great to see you are getting some sponsors and support.
Re: nvg30s. Was experimenting with mine and trying passive aiming.
Thoughts on having a IR light mounted forward of the red dot sight?
I found the nvg30s in build ir would flood the screen of the red dot sight.
With ir turned off I could see the dot easy
Thanks! I hope this video continues to do well. Having IR illum In front of the red dot should work great, you may have to up the power of the dot a little bit to make it fully visible
An updated version of the pvs69 with the caddex infra lowlight camera would be intetesting to see the inproved performance.
I really want to get my hands on the newest PVS69 models, I’ll see what’s possible
the caddex ratel pro w/ the 8mm f 1.0 lense works really well on my setup. especially once you get the manual settings setup properly.
finally got around to watching it. good stuff as always man cant wait to see what you have to say about the higher end gen 3 stuff.
Thanks man! Glad to see you commenting here. Logistics are getting weird with some gen 3 stuff, but I do have some good glass on loan and cool stuff coming.
Oh and by the way one of the best videos I’ve seen in quite a while
@@johndaviddoesmith4504 thank you very much! A lot of time goes into these
A good presentation and a mad ambience, found myself closing eyes and trying to imagine that night
@@ironman8257 thank you! I intentionally leave the ambience in the background as I feel it adds to the chill feeling imo (at least for Midwest people lol)
Thanks for the comparison. After losing my old, beat up PVS-7 to a tweaker break in during cancer, I bought an NVG-30, not expecting much.
Man, was I wrong. The NVG30 is really the vanguard of what digital night vision is capable of.
Inasmuch as analog NV followers may say: “digital will never be as good as analog”, I regret to inform them that while digital has not quite passed analog on the highway of night vision, the turn signal is on and the gas pedal is being pressed.
The real tell will be: improving technology, while keeping prices low. I’m certainly not running and gunning with my NVG-30, but at 40fps (not why they bothered with 30fps) the latency on it is surprisingly low.
I’ve also found WP setting to be the sweet spot and I turned off all icons - just a clean screen. The compass, crosshairs etc, were too busy for me. I’ve also found auto gain to be the best suited, even though it’s a bit bothersome at first. Leaving the gain in high, just doesn’t work for my eyes.
I also wish there were a dedicated app for this. The instruction manual indicates there is one, but I have yet to be successful with the QR code. An app with firmware updates (if there are any) would be great.
I was going to bino this unit with another one, but I think I’ll be investing instead into the new, wide angle lens for this and calling it done.
Down the road, I may be buying an ADNV - which also looks amazing and the SE is now running well under the Opsin and far far below the PVS-14’s, while offering pretty incredible utility.
Thanks again for your review!
No problem and thanks for the comment! Im glad you are happy with your NVG30, I currently have a ADNV G14SE on loan to me and its straight incredible. analog Gen2+ level of preformance. I do agree with you and wish the NVG30 had a better app.
I like the compilation footage, a good way to compare
Its a small thing but thnk you for showing the view from the naked eye as well and from the NVD! So many comparisons skip that for some reason.
great video, could you compare nvg30 to opsin at 30 fps? as this will be a better comparison to between the 2 cameras.
Getting Tarkov Woods vibes from the comparisons. Good video! You've got a sub!
Thank you! Woods night runs are peak just watch out for the cultists
Great Video!! Thx for your work!!!
Absolute must see video, great job! Thank you for sharing your work with us. Just one (double) question: what is the F/# for the lens of the NVG30, and what is the sensor used within ? Thank you for your feedback.
Thank you so much! I am sorry to say but I do not know what F/# the lens has. How do I test? the sensor is what i believe to be a sony starvis 2
@@extrudedshoots , thank you for your reply. For knowing the F/#, we would need to know the dimensions of the sensor. With the fov (40° horizontal if i remember well), it would be quite easy to find the focal lens of the lens and therefore to obtain F/#. Do you know the size of the sensor ?
Ok so I don’t airsoft or plan on sprinting around but are the NVG30 adequate enough for the occasional plinking with a 22 and IR laser and light? How much more effective does say a weapon mount IR light make these in terms of being able to identify/the range of a target?
What bump helmet are you running? love the channel btw keep going!
Some cheap Amazon bump lol I need to upgrade
I use a Team Wendy. Their politics kinda suck but the product is great, especially for the price. The stock pads are good but I believe you can also put 4D pads in it.
@@oneandy2 I have heard great things about team wendy.
@@extrudedshoots I got the $32 amazon one , pulled the crap Styrofoam liner out and got a $12 pad kit and with a lil tweaking i got it to fit great (no headaches or hot-spots) that combined with the counter weight i don't need the strap on to keep it from moving around so it (nvg30) stays aligned with my eye very solidly , probably upgrade the strap to a wendys knockoff at some point ,crazy how the price on the nvg30 went up in the last 12 months, got mine from ali express for $289 as a black Friday special.
With the Streamlight sidewinder i still have less than $500 in the whole set up
Thanks for the vids, they have been a huge help in putting everything together.
@@deadeyedsam850 Thats a sweet budget entry setup nice man!
PVS-69 seems to sit at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to digital NVGs.
Kinda sad, since that's the most affordable/customizable option - newest version, you can even swap from digital to NVGs.
Wish there were more DIY options that produce the type of results we see from the NVG-30s (Which seems to look better than the Opsin and even analog in some scenarios)
I agree. I need to get my hands on the alpha 69s because on paper I think they are really good NvGs. I also would love to see the NVG30 sensor in a 69 housing
It would be nice to get your opinion on the bpnvg-18. I just built some and it's simple to make. But I'm still working some stuff out.
I would love to check one out, I just don’t have the funds for it. I have a channel budget and right now it’s full sadly
@@extrudedshoots danm that sucks.
@@lukeschmidt4680 it is quite sad
The NVG30 is surprising. I've got an Alpha in the works but I'm wondering if I picked the wrong budget device.
@@lowellhouser7731 honestly, the alpha is the best if you plan on upgrading to analog, but if you don’t, the NVG30 is a better digital preformer
I have both and the pvs69 is excellent even in digital!! Looking forward to changing it over to analog though… that said the nvg30 is a really great device
Seems to me that if you're going to use these kinds of things for security around your house, you should invest in some IR light bulbs that run at night. That way, even the cheapest system will work well and you'll still have the advantage of using them with IR off so you have concealment.
Bulbs, or even little 3d printed housings that are powered by AA batteries you can drop on the ground like chemlights
Most black people/criminals dont use nightvision lmao
How hard would it be to make a monocular for a PVS-7 tube? I've got a really nice Omni VII tube that I'd love to move over to a monocular.
There are some options, but you will have to downgrade glass likely. this is the easiest way: th-cam.com/video/VN69YpfcvgY/w-d-xo.html
@@extrudedshoots very cool, thanks.
Are you still going to do a video on the 3d printed analog setup??? If so when can we expect it?
the script is in the works! it should be out by december
Hey, loved the video but in the future would you be able to compare distances? I was hoping to find out how far the NVG30 can see VS the others, thank you
thats a great point! ill work on that for future videos
its crazy the opsin can keep up with the 40hz nvg30 at 90fps
The image the opsin can make on 30 hz I’d really impressive, the lag is bad tho. Only thing to remeber is the 2,000 price tag
Yeah only thing to remember is that price tag
When are you gonna do a video on the 3-D printed analog? There’s a bunch of us interested and that! Your experience what in the process, what to avoid what you would do differently if this is a project that you consider worth it cost time wise and financial.
Ive gotten enough comments so i will do it!
Hi, I Finally got one of those NVG-30's but I noticed there is lag when you move quickly? I thought that was fixed in the NVG30 since the 10 lagged so bad on movement. There is still a lot of lag while moving even on 40fps. I think they need to make this unit 50-60fps to correct the problem. 30fps is completely useless on movement I have no idea why that is the default?
Hey! im sorry you are having issues, I would try looking into a driver update. Try measuring your lag time in slow mo and let me know what it is
Wonder if you could get a setup with two analogue tubes for the center view, and then thermal or IR camera for the peripheral view with a quad setup.
Heres to the NVG30 outperforming the opsin in many of these tests at 1/3 the price.
I mean it’s almost less than a 1/4th of the price. If I drop the cameras on the opsin to the same as the NVG30 it preformed better, but that beats the point in my opinion
Paradoxally, Opsin is only better in better light conditions, the same as digital nvg to analog or photonis to gen 3
That's because the Opsin is set to 90hz in every test, near triple the frame rate of the 30-40 fps NVG30. Dropping it down to 30 or even 60 would give far better low light performance.
@@TheMsdos25 this is the most important think to note
@@TheMsdos25 Okay, I didn't know this.
Cant find any vids of nvg30 at 200yds with a rail IR illum
please make a vid on the gen 2, i’m dying to see how you built it
I have some parts that will be on loan so i may be able to kind of break down the build!
is it correct that there was no IR illumination used for any of these?
yup!
Any plans to test out the HRS31?
If someone sends me one out I’ll check it out
i noticed the gain on the opsin was adjusted in many of the shots. is there a reason for the adjustments? did you try and use the gain to provide the best performance?
Pretty much. The gain was set to the best setting for the scene
@@extrudedshoots when you do your review of the opsin, having a section talk about best settings for different scenes would be great!
@@irodwen since there are so many reviews out on the opsin, my video will pretty much only be opinions if I do post it
@@extrudedshoots understood, alot of people say that Karl from inrange very much overhyped the opsin. If, youve seen it, do you agree with his review?
@@irodwen I haven’t watched Karl’s review in a while, but if I remeber it correctly he heavily overhyped it. Hops review is fantastic and shares many of my opinions
yesterday in the game I looked at the NVG30 and was surprised when the eye does not see the NVG30 gives a good picture without IR illumination a night sight from China for 150 dollars showed a black screen but the NVG30 allowed me to see leaves and branches at a distance of 10 meters taking into account the price and unpretentiousness a good option than the EPO 2 generation 2+
NVG30 is king of budget imo
If the analog tube is a rebranded xd4 which it is minimum fom should be 1140 and not 1600. Average fom for xd4s is 1472.
I checked the minimum for the exact type of tube and it was around 1600 I could repost the exact minimum.
What are your thoughts on the new digital stuff coming out of New Zealand
i want one bad. They seem a little fishy. I may email him and try to get one
@@extrudedshoots yeah I’ve heard some kinda fishy stories about them … the second gen is supposed to be 90fps which coupled with their modified fisheye lense will make them the best in the market if they can pull it off.. plus made of aluminum
@@johndaviddoesmith4504 yeah they seem to claim gen2+ preformance and the videos posted look super fishy but I would lvoe to be proven wrong
Awesome video, a real service to many of us...and very encouraging. As an NVG 30 owner, I can tell you that I am proud of how it stacked up, and I am thankful to have the capability it provides...Thanks again and all the best with the channel...
Thank you so much! im so glad you enjoyed it and that i can bring this content to the community
Honestly I feel the only things the NVG 30's miss is a way to make them auto power on when pulled down( and auto turn off when pulled up), and if they could be powered through the bridge instead of just the USB-C for external power.
imo thats not a big deal for my own use cases, but I can see how that could be useful. I really hope we see a V2
Are the PVS-69's build as a quad build?
They have a quad housing version available
You should test out the 50 degree lens that is now available to give a better FOV. I wonder if that lens increases magnification or just FOV as you know the Chinese give very little information.
I've got one and it's alright. I'll make a short video on it at some point
@@extrudedshoots I would find a video useful as I am planning on getting one, Do they cause light gain loss for the sensor or do they limit range?
@@Firefly-101 they make it non 1x. not a notable amount of light loss, but i havent done much testing.
@@extrudedshoots What is it a 1.2x etc? I am just wondering how much it changes it, there is another person that made a mod to give more FOV but you have to remove the old lens and it is not adjustable for distance.
@@Firefly-101 more like a 0.8x. There is really no way to get true 1x and more FOV by only changing the front lens
some of those printed parts need some serious tweaking to the settings lol some of them are looking rough. it is possible to get way cleaner prints than that. just some constructive criticism
Yeah the PVS69 I printed almost 2 years ago and the analog tube I printed a year ago. My prints have gotten a bit better since then
@@extrudedshoots oh for sure! my prints were very ugly too when i was starting out too lol
Reroll with a class that has darkvision. Larping is larping.
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Nvg10 with lens fov mod th-cam.com/video/bx22bIJaOhY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PWETXIr_gO-SNmUv
I’ve seen these, but never tried. Imo at this point just get a NvG30
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@@extrudedshoots i think he cast a hex on u or smthing
@@CIaude hahahaah probably
For serious use, do not go with any other than analog and maybe the opsin. Yes that includes MSW games. You will be a walking lighthouse for people with actual night visions, you will get your friend and yourself shwacked.
NVG30 works great without IR light. I actually had a few Airsoft games against gen2+ and gen3 analog users and outplayed them. What I'm saying is that it's all about practicing your eye. Even the best NVG won't make you better if you are not training with it.
@@MilSimAirsoftBG What's the lag input like in real life with the nvg30s? 40 fps isn't a lot
@@TheFunkyHalfMexican I can't tell actual numbers to be honest but as per unofficial sources on reddit I saw something like 0.1 seconds or about 100ms. Personal experience as long as you don't move your head constantly fast left/right it's all good. Even when I move my head a lot it still shows actual stuff it doesn't blur completely to a state you don't see anything. I wouldn't recommend running with it though Ive done it. Overall I think it's great especially considering night airsoft games a much slower paced than day games. I have over 20 successful hits for a total of 2 night games (3 hours each). 100% I recommend using an IR laser for passive aiming because it's much easier than using a red dot. Hope that helps
@@MilSimAirsoftBG Thanks dood, that actually helps a lot
@@TheFunkyHalfMexican glad to help bro. I will soon make a video review comparing them to a GEN3 Analog Tubes but on another YT channel. It will be targeted particularly towards airsoft usage pros and cons. I will remember to come back to this thread and let you know once it's uploaded.
An average review at best. Filming the imagery through a phone, not matching frrame rates, colour vs mono, adjusting gain……..etc……
Do you create night vision content? Didn’t think so.