Early torso rotation is perhaps my biggest flaw, so having it concisely explained as an upstream/downstream patterning issue lit a lightbulb for me in terms of how I can troubleshoot my way through it and hit that next level. Thank you coach Ben, you guys are truly good for baseball.
Expertly presented! Just absolutely highlights the flaws my son displays and their origin, anatomical or mechanical. Your videos give me science based confidence to correct my son’s pitching issues. Thank you!
So much great information! I’ve watched so many of your videos looking for ways to help my son. He hasn’t hit his growth spurt yet and is a 5’9 13 year old with a 6’1 wing span. Doc says he’ll be anywhere from 6’2 to 6’5. He’s rail thin but there have been times he’s thrown smoke. He tends to throw harder when he’s just facing me and “playing catch.” He seems more I.R. Driven but who knows. I’m going to check out your website and sign him up. He doesn’t have too much set in mind and is a quick learner!
Yeah my kid who is now a senior throwing 85mph is so tired of me yelling at him from the stands “quit flying open” and “loose is fast and fast is loose”. Yet he is still doing it so easier said than done apparently.
Wow. Tips with Trevor is outstanding information for a pitcher because the stuff he tells you is exactly what he does which is awesome and now this? The information available to coaches and players is staggering. You are making the game better. Good job!!
I know ultimate baseball training and Tread Athletics are the two channels i use to get better. Amazing information. Tread Athletics is better if im being honest cause he goes way deep into it.
Great video. I have 2 boys playing highschool ball, both pitch.One a righty the other a lefty. I was working with them today and I have been trying to tell them about flying open . I can't thank you enough for the video because I showed them and told them "see I do know what I'm talking about a little" So thanks for making me look smart. Looking forward to more videos and drills.
Thanks, Ben. This is just what I need right now. My 14U son old is doing this with extreme neck pull at times, which is an easy problem to see (especially on video) and I was looking for a good way of breaking down the problem and searching for solutions. This is a great treatment of the issue and I like the suggested solutions.
Man thanks a lot for that, I was fixing my torso because I was flying open and my elbow hurt like crazy. trying to fix that I fix a lot of things with my arm and now I know how to really use my rotation. I was throwing the ball like I was throwing a dart. Now i whip my arm, I could use my lower half way better than before and my elbow doesn’t hurt no more. I went up a couple of mile too.
excellent, my 17 year old son 6'8" lefty has that./ and hurting, him self drastically. southwest Virginia has a primitive old school mentality. thanks for a productive direction .
love your videos. Another thing i would add is when you separate your hands don't take them straight back. So as an example a right handed pitcher would take his hand towards where 2nd baseman is positioned. This will allow the torso to stay closed longer.
Valuable information. This is actually helpful for cricket in particular the bowling aspect of it. A bowler is effectively the pitcher in baseball. The fastest bowlers in professional cricket release the ball with a speed of around 87mph to 90mph. Rarely do we see a delivery with speeds above 95 mph. However only a handful of professional cricketers in the last 20 years consistently released the ball at 95mp/h. The ones who could release above 95mp/h had exceptional hip shoulder separation. In my opinion the reason why professional cricketers aren't consistently as fast as baseball pitchers is because they don't utilize hip shoulder separation.
If I could suggest, I would have examples of all of the issues that you mention, then show what exercises/adjustments it took to correct them, then show the problem after correction. We need to be able to see the good and the bad, plus how to correct those issues. All of these issues need to have video examples, then we would want to see the velocity increases as a result of your analysis.
We don't have time to make a 4 hour video in that level of detail every week, but you're right. We're chipping away at every flaw and trying to provide concrete examples as much as possible. There isn't much of that online and certainly wasn't when I was first getting started in my training 10+ years ago. For now if you have a specific issue, email us and we'll help! Contact@treadathletics.com
What mindset should you have whenever your on the mound? I usually throw about 82-83 mph but when I get on the mound I start thinking about my mechanics and end up throwing 5-10 mph slower, any tips?
Sorry to be blunt but losing 10 mph unintentionally once you go on a mound is absurd. Take videos of both and see what is different as a first step then look up how to fix it if you don’t know
i can throw hard and throw strikes but after getting vastly stronger this year vs last year, my arm strength and speed has jumped up so fast i feel that my arm is early but my torso is late?
Would minuscule scoliosis and mediocre strength at 5'9'' and 150 lbs make it impossible for someone who plays baseball recreationally to throw 80+? I only squat two plates, deadlift around that much, bench 155. Do I just try to get stronger and get more mobility? Thanks.
The fact that there is a slight curve in the spine doesn't necessarily limit the range of motion necessary to throw a baseball. I've got a pro guy in AA with scoliosis and worked with another high level D1 guy who had it, both have thrown 94+. Mediocre strength is likely low hanging fruit, but 80+ mph is a realistic goal for most recreational players if they have half decent mechanics!
i was throwing 83-86 while moving my hips and shoulders at same time. For me I had very good mobility but I did not have the mental understanding to move my hips and seperate them from my shoulder movement. Doing dry throws I recorded myself and realized moving my hips first totally changed how i looked pitching and I looked way more powerful and had my arm back and scaps loaded and hips opened. I was wondering how much more velo this could add once I mastered the timing down a mound?
I saw your example of the dart thrower and honestly I’m a little too similar, but I don’t really crunch it seems like my upper body is lagging and my release looks a little early, like I haven’t finished my arm whipping motion it looks like it’s right before full extension that I release
@@treadathletics it did, thanks a lot for the vids and responding, I’m still having trouble implementing some stuff but I’m pretty sure I just have to feel it out a bit more
@@treadathletics I might email you once I can pay for that with my own money don’t want to ask my mom, also I’m gonna fix up what I can see myself and then once I’m satisfied with that I’ll definitely get back to you guys, great service though, from what I’ve seen in your vids you guys aren’t just talking out of your asses and it’s very refreshing to see a channel that I don’t have to ignore half of what you guys say about mechanics, it’s very annoying to pick through other vids deciding on what and what not to take away from it
For sure, breakdowns early in the kinetic chain have downstream effects one being early torso rotation due to an inefficient linear move and loss of stack.
When I look at videos of me throwing when I know that my shoulder is not hurting and then look at videos when my shoulder was bugging me my upper half mechanics look totally different why?
After watching your video and practicing a bit it helps me to load tension in only two places. My drive leg gets loaded and holds tension before I drive and then my glove arm breaks thumb down palm facing the target with tension until it fires after my hips. Am I on the right track thinking this way?
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Throwing hard for years with potentially some contribution from dragging my arm / pulling off early at times. You aren't going to prevent TJ in every hard thrower and there isn't always ONE reason someone got hurt. That's a simplistic view but hopefully the baseball world will get a better grasp on how to limit valgus overload injuries in the next decade.
@@treadathletics My son has thrown a LOT over the years, and I believe we have discovered the secret of not getting elbow or other injuries--lots of throwing at 75/75. That's 75% distance from the rubber to the plate, focusing on mechanics exercises, with limited hard throws after that as a young pitcher. That, along with Crossover Symmetry bands, both before and after throwing sessions. He didn't even have a day off until the age of 13, but nearly all of our sessions followed this 75/75 concept. He never just did a full-blown bullpen without considerable warm-up and mechanics exercises beforehand. We have seen teammates have fractured growth plates and Tommy John, but my son never had those issues. We use a Leo Mazzone approach to throwing. Not a lot of pitchers follow this approach. They are all stuck on watching the radar gun, constantly throwing at full distance with 100% effort all of the time. In the end, my son has far better mechanics, control of 5 pitches he can throw for strikes, and can sit in the low 90's. The biggest thing, of course, is that he has not had any elbow injuries.
@@rslwannabe9475 No, do not only throw at 75% effort. Do mechanics work at 75/75, which can be done every day. Limit the number of pitches at full effort. The drills my son did focused on drawing a line through the target from the foot plant position and throwing from the leg lift in a balance position. As he got older, he would not just hold steady in a balance position, but would start from the leg lift position and throw to his target, which was 75% of the distance from the pitching rubber to home plate. He does these same drills to this day, 14 years after he was first introduced to them. He is now with the Phillies organization.
Yes, but it's less common because if you have a major inefficiency like that you have to make up for it elsewhere to still throw that elite velo. Nathan Eovaldi is a good example!
There would be so many good players if all coaches were this intellectual. Thanks for the video.
Most coaches - "Just throw strikes"
Early torso rotation is perhaps my biggest flaw, so having it concisely explained as an upstream/downstream patterning issue lit a lightbulb for me in terms of how I can troubleshoot my way through it and hit that next level. Thank you coach Ben, you guys are truly good for baseball.
Thanks man!
Mr. Brewster should get Ph.D. Degree in pitching science. So useful and informative as always, thank you.
Expertly presented! Just absolutely highlights the flaws my son displays and their origin, anatomical or mechanical. Your videos give me science based confidence to correct my son’s pitching issues. Thank you!
So much great information! I’ve watched so many of your videos looking for ways to help my son. He hasn’t hit his growth spurt yet and is a 5’9 13 year old with a 6’1 wing span. Doc says he’ll be anywhere from 6’2 to 6’5. He’s rail thin but there have been times he’s thrown smoke. He tends to throw harder when he’s just facing me and “playing catch.” He seems more I.R. Driven but who knows. I’m going to check out your website and sign him up. He doesn’t have too much set in mind and is a quick learner!
Yeah my kid who is now a senior throwing 85mph is so tired of me yelling at him from the stands “quit flying open” and “loose is fast and fast is loose”. Yet he is still doing it so easier said than done apparently.
It can be a tough change, especially if the body is not willing to cooperate. Have to understand the underlying cause!
Wow. Tips with Trevor is outstanding information for a pitcher because the stuff he tells you is exactly what he does which is awesome and now this? The information available to coaches and players is staggering. You are making the game better. Good job!!
Humbled that you think so. Appreciate you!
I know ultimate baseball training and Tread Athletics are the two channels i use to get better. Amazing information. Tread Athletics is better if im being honest cause he goes way deep into it.
Great video. I have 2 boys playing highschool ball, both pitch.One a righty the other a lefty. I was working with them today and I have been trying to tell them about flying open . I can't thank you enough for the video because I showed them and told them "see I do know what I'm talking about a little" So thanks for making me look smart. Looking forward to more videos and drills.
You got it! Shoot us an email if you have any questions!
tennis player/coach here... using alot of these ideas to improve the serve... thanks!
Thanks, Ben. This is just what I need right now. My 14U son old is doing this with extreme neck pull at times, which is an easy problem to see (especially on video) and I was looking for a good way of breaking down the problem and searching for solutions. This is a great treatment of the issue and I like the suggested solutions.
Hope it helps! Email us with any questions!
Man thanks a lot for that, I was fixing my torso because I was flying open and my elbow hurt like crazy. trying to fix that I fix a lot of things with my arm and now I know how to really use my rotation. I was throwing the ball like I was throwing a dart. Now i whip my arm, I could use my lower half way better than before and my elbow doesn’t hurt no more. I went up a couple of mile too.
These drills and explanations with experience! Are priceless. They give directions with results.
excellent, my 17 year old son 6'8" lefty has that./ and hurting, him self drastically. southwest Virginia has a primitive old school mentality. thanks for a productive direction .
love your videos. Another thing i would add is when you separate your hands don't take them straight back. So as an example a right handed pitcher would take his hand towards where 2nd baseman is positioned. This will allow the torso to stay closed longer.
Valuable information. This is actually helpful for cricket in particular the bowling aspect of it. A bowler is effectively the pitcher in baseball. The fastest bowlers in professional cricket release the ball with a speed of around 87mph to 90mph. Rarely do we see a delivery with speeds above 95 mph. However only a handful of professional cricketers in the last 20 years consistently released the ball at 95mp/h. The ones who could release above 95mp/h had exceptional hip shoulder separation. In my opinion the reason why professional cricketers aren't consistently as fast as baseball pitchers is because they don't utilize hip shoulder separation.
That and not being allowed to bend the elbow!
Love this! Gonna be a huge help for me in playoffs. Big ups and thank you 🙏🏼
Great presentation and exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
If I could suggest, I would have examples of all of the issues that you mention, then show what exercises/adjustments it took to correct them, then show the problem after correction. We need to be able to see the good and the bad, plus how to correct those issues. All of these issues need to have video examples, then we would want to see the velocity increases as a result of your analysis.
We don't have time to make a 4 hour video in that level of detail every week, but you're right. We're chipping away at every flaw and trying to provide concrete examples as much as possible. There isn't much of that online and certainly wasn't when I was first getting started in my training 10+ years ago. For now if you have a specific issue, email us and we'll help! Contact@treadathletics.com
@@treadathletics Sounds great. I appreciate your taking your time to respond.
This video was stellar. Thank you
Definitely gonna use this thanks!
Wow man I wish I saw this a year ago I already identified 4-5 components that I was not using correctly 😅
As always, great video!
Appreciate it my man!
What mechanical issues would cause a young pitcher to have tendency to miss high in the zone?
@21:35 do you believe this is also why you have had issues with hip? Jw thank you for the videos top tier content ⚾️
When i was learning I had the same idea but with my arm, glad I dont throw that way anymore😂
I’m the early glove supination guy and I’m looking for other ways to fix that
What mindset should you have whenever your on the mound? I usually throw about 82-83 mph but when I get on the mound I start thinking about my mechanics and end up throwing 5-10 mph slower, any tips?
Sorry to be blunt but losing 10 mph unintentionally once you go on a mound is absurd. Take videos of both and see what is different as a first step then look up how to fix it if you don’t know
i can throw hard and throw strikes but after getting vastly stronger this year vs last year, my arm strength and speed has jumped up so fast i feel that my arm is early but my torso is late?
Brilliant stuff
Great video!
Would minuscule scoliosis and mediocre strength at 5'9'' and 150 lbs make it impossible for someone who plays baseball recreationally to throw 80+? I only squat two plates, deadlift around that much, bench 155. Do I just try to get stronger and get more mobility? Thanks.
The fact that there is a slight curve in the spine doesn't necessarily limit the range of motion necessary to throw a baseball. I've got a pro guy in AA with scoliosis and worked with another high level D1 guy who had it, both have thrown 94+. Mediocre strength is likely low hanging fruit, but 80+ mph is a realistic goal for most recreational players if they have half decent mechanics!
@@treadathletics thanks. Do you train like top velocity?
what drills or mobility do you recommend to dissociate pelvis rotation from the torso?
These videos may help you:
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I wish I had this video in high school
Can you show me the physics of why early hip rotation is inferior to late hip rotation?
i was throwing 83-86 while moving my hips and shoulders at same time. For me I had very good mobility but I did not have the mental understanding to move my hips and seperate them from my shoulder movement. Doing dry throws I recorded myself and realized moving my hips first totally changed how i looked pitching and I looked way more powerful and had my arm back and scaps loaded and hips opened. I was wondering how much more velo this could add once I mastered the timing down a mound?
When I learned to segment my hips from my shoulders I jumped up 3-5 mph almost immediately.
I saw your example of the dart thrower and honestly I’m a little too similar, but I don’t really crunch it seems like my upper body is lagging and my release looks a little early, like I haven’t finished my arm whipping motion it looks like it’s right before full extension that I release
Very common issue - hope the video helped! Email us if you need anything.
@@treadathletics it did, thanks a lot for the vids and responding, I’m still having trouble implementing some stuff but I’m pretty sure I just have to feel it out a bit more
@@treadathletics I might email you once I can pay for that with my own money don’t want to ask my mom, also I’m gonna fix up what I can see myself and then once I’m satisfied with that I’ll definitely get back to you guys, great service though, from what I’ve seen in your vids you guys aren’t just talking out of your asses and it’s very refreshing to see a channel that I don’t have to ignore half of what you guys say about mechanics, it’s very annoying to pick through other vids deciding on what and what not to take away from it
Do you ever see posture or inability to stay stacked cause individuals to fly open/have torso rotate early?
For sure, breakdowns early in the kinetic chain have downstream effects one being early torso rotation due to an inefficient linear move and loss of stack.
Holy shit, can we get a summary not a documentary on this shit
When I look at videos of me throwing when I know that my shoulder is not hurting and then look at videos when my shoulder was bugging me my upper half mechanics look totally different why?
It's nearly impossible for us to diagnose an issue without any context
Been having front shoulder pain (right near chest) after throwing with high intensity. Is front shoulder pain a result of opening early?
Not necessarily the direct cause and effect. We'd have to run you through an assessment and mechanical breakdown to try to diagnose the issue
After watching your video and practicing a bit it helps me to load tension in only two places. My drive leg gets loaded and holds tension before I drive and then my glove arm breaks thumb down palm facing the target with tension until it fires after my hips. Am I on the right track thinking this way?
I'd say so. But without seeing your patterns it's hard to tell. Shoot us an email if you want more detail.
Some HQ content here. Keep on!
What do I need to fix in my throwing when my elbow is hurting every time I try to throw my hardest.what am I doing wrong please make a video.
Send us an email! Let's get you taken care of
Awesome video! I know you mentioned FRC to address mobility deficiencies.. have you guys found this beneficial for your athletes?
The general concept of strengthening at end range positions is very beneficial. FRC just packaged it into their own system and certification.
Do you guys do any remote coaching?
Yes the majority of our athletes train remotely! Email contact@treadathletics.com if interested!
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So it appears that you have had Tommy John. What do you attribute that to?
Throwing hard for years with potentially some contribution from dragging my arm / pulling off early at times. You aren't going to prevent TJ in every hard thrower and there isn't always ONE reason someone got hurt. That's a simplistic view but hopefully the baseball world will get a better grasp on how to limit valgus overload injuries in the next decade.
@@treadathletics My son has thrown a LOT over the years, and I believe we have discovered the secret of not getting elbow or other injuries--lots of throwing at 75/75. That's 75% distance from the rubber to the plate, focusing on mechanics exercises, with limited hard throws after that as a young pitcher. That, along with Crossover Symmetry bands, both before and after throwing sessions. He didn't even have a day off until the age of 13, but nearly all of our sessions followed this 75/75 concept. He never just did a full-blown bullpen without considerable warm-up and mechanics exercises beforehand. We have seen teammates have fractured growth plates and Tommy John, but my son never had those issues. We use a Leo Mazzone approach to throwing. Not a lot of pitchers follow this approach. They are all stuck on watching the radar gun, constantly throwing at full distance with 100% effort all of the time. In the end, my son has far better mechanics, control of 5 pitches he can throw for strikes, and can sit in the low 90's. The biggest thing, of course, is that he has not had any elbow injuries.
@@tootallforbaseball So... Just throw at 75% power all the time?
@@rslwannabe9475 No, do not only throw at 75% effort. Do mechanics work at 75/75, which can be done every day. Limit the number of pitches at full effort. The drills my son did focused on drawing a line through the target from the foot plant position and throwing from the leg lift in a balance position. As he got older, he would not just hold steady in a balance position, but would start from the leg lift position and throw to his target, which was 75% of the distance from the pitching rubber to home plate. He does these same drills to this day, 14 years after he was first introduced to them. He is now with the Phillies organization.
Are some guys able to still throw upper 90s with early torso rotation?
Yes, but it's less common because if you have a major inefficiency like that you have to make up for it elsewhere to still throw that elite velo. Nathan Eovaldi is a good example!
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Does he have a good fastball?
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Slow down your talk dude so we can understand you.
Go to settings and set to 0.75 if you want slow it down