The clearest explanation yet of modern pitching mechanics vs the two dominant concepts until now (Seaver's drop and drive and R Johnson's tall and fall). My son has been using the core-velocity belt for four years now...and this video clears up some very nasty misunderstandings!! (Mostly me, his dad). Relaxing the hips, for one, immediately made sense!! Kudos!!
thank you guys so much for spreading the right information & not gate keeping for your own profits .. the access to information is why the game is speeding up so fast IMO & I love it
hey guys, this is the best content i’ve seen in a w h i l e, and i mean the best, i know most of what you guys are talking about, but breaking down what people should be going for in each phase and what commonly goes wrong when assuming that is incredible, this video could’ve saved me like 30% of my time working on my mechanics
@@treadathletics well i think a sequel part 2 on upper body mechanics would be very valuable, taking the knowledge people have with the lower body mechanics from this video and going “if you’re doing that correctly, this is what your arm action should feel and look like and what you should be doing with it”
As a tread athlete myself seeing this video has helped me a lot. For context as a tall guy myself I’m 6”6 I was always taught tall and fall, then once I got into college I was taught drop and drive. Well since I struggle with IR hip mobility and rotation it has prevented me to get into certain positions. So instead of the hips being loose or relaxed I would rotate as hard as possible which would throw off my kinetic chain in my delivery. Doing those step back drills like, decky step back and the step back full delivery drills has helped me stay relaxed and maintain a better kinetic chain going forward. But seeing you describe it here and go into more depth has helped me grow my understanding into this. Thanks!
Great video. Between years of following you, Angel Borrelli, and Lantz Wheeler it’s all starting to make sense to my son. He’s been pitching without tension in the hips. He just figured it out and looks crazy different. It’s his junior season and he doesn’t have a lot of mileage on the arms because we’ve stayed away from camps. I have a feeling a lots a bout to change. 6’3 175 without shoes and 6’7 wingspan. Thank you.
Thank you for creating content like this! What a great resource for parents that don’t know the first thing about pitching, but want to learn. My son Lucas (12) loves pitching. His goal is to make the HS varsity as a freshman. To do that I think we need to look into a program like Tread.
Appreciate your comment, we're always here for any questions. Let us know if you have any content you'd like to see us make. You can interact with me directly on my twitter, as I'm checking that daily. - Ben
First time I ever really noticed Drift was watching Lincecum. He was drifting forward while his lead leg was still kicking behind him. Once you see it, it's far easier to notice in other pitchers
I started mimic his mechanics seeing the same thing in high school. Sinking your ass in as you throw your leg back. Lets you better use that momentum into your drift. Ended up with the exact same hip/spine issues he's got.
Lincecum is a very exaggerated example of it. Most guys don't need a MASSIVE drift like that. In a lot of cases, less is more. But ZERO drift makes it difficult to get that momentum initiation down the slope. - Ben
Way we were taught, and I know a lot of players that went pro that was taught way i was taught by my old former coach in high school which he is the 2nd most winningest coach in the world. Who taught stand tall, drive the front heel down first then push off hard off the rubber. But it also helps keeps you from keeping the front shoulders flying open to soon. It helps learn control and keeping the ball down. Which is lot of pros don't do anymore, but he also wanted you have a long arm extension. Only reason why cause every pitcher we had all threw high 80s mid 90s. We had 1 player throw 101 his name was drew Miller who went pro in 06, and I caught him in high school. Then got to college coach Martin had same concept as my old coach in high school too.
I have applied the way you, describ how the front leg, to how I swing at a ball. I lead into it by a toe tap, put pressure on it and, then turn the back leg. I Preload with a (jeff Bagwell) wide/ open stance and, hip twist. It' how I have learned to, stay back on the ball.
The movement readings aren't necessarily as accurate (referring to 2.0 units). Velocity, spin direction, and spin efficiency are pretty reliable. Here is a video we made about these pieces of tech: th-cam.com/video/SUtdthPSUdI/w-d-xo.html
Great breakdown but the bottom line is do what's best for you Good to try new things especially with different pitching coaches but everyone's body and genetics is different
I also wonder what” relax into landing” means. Does that mean rotation will naturally happen and I don’t even need to think about it when I’m pitching? Does pelvis rotation speed affect the trunk rotation speed and pitching velocity?
I think drift > "drop" is a solid descriptor, too. If you drifted properly, then you can think about the sit into tension as a drop and it can work. The issue comes when you didn't drift and you just go from a balance point into a drop and drive pattern like I discuss in the video. There are multiple ways to look at it, and I generally agree with almost all of Trevor's mechanical takes. -Ben
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The clearest explanation yet of modern pitching mechanics vs the two dominant concepts until now (Seaver's drop and drive and R Johnson's tall and fall). My son has been using the core-velocity belt for four years now...and this video clears up some very nasty misunderstandings!! (Mostly me, his dad). Relaxing the hips, for one, immediately made sense!! Kudos!!
Was just researching the belt again. We use it too. What did you discover that cleared up info?
thank you guys so much for spreading the right information & not gate keeping for your own profits .. the access to information is why the game is speeding up so fast IMO & I love it
Videos of Ben talking about throwing and mechanics coming back baby!!!! A gem of video
Appreciate you - Ben
hey guys, this is the best content i’ve seen in a w h i l e, and i mean the best, i know most of what you guys are talking about, but breaking down what people should be going for in each phase and what commonly goes wrong when assuming that is incredible, this video could’ve saved me like 30% of my time working on my mechanics
Thanks! Let us know if you have any topic ideas for future videos. -Ben
@@treadathletics well i think a sequel part 2 on upper body mechanics would be very valuable, taking the knowledge people have with the lower body mechanics from this video and going “if you’re doing that correctly, this is what your arm action should feel and look like and what you should be doing with it”
This is quite possibly the best explanation of mechanics anywhere online. Thank you for making this stuff free for everyone!
Of course, let us know if you have any suggestions for future videos! - Ben
As a tread athlete myself seeing this video has helped me a lot. For context as a tall guy myself I’m 6”6 I was always taught tall and fall, then once I got into college I was taught drop and drive. Well since I struggle with IR hip mobility and rotation it has prevented me to get into certain positions. So instead of the hips being loose or relaxed I would rotate as hard as possible which would throw off my kinetic chain in my delivery. Doing those step back drills like, decky step back and the step back full delivery drills has helped me stay relaxed and maintain a better kinetic chain going forward. But seeing you describe it here and go into more depth has helped me grow my understanding into this. Thanks!
Great video. Between years of following you, Angel Borrelli, and Lantz Wheeler it’s all starting to make sense to my son. He’s been pitching without tension in the hips. He just figured it out and looks crazy different. It’s his junior season and he doesn’t have a lot of mileage on the arms because we’ve stayed away from camps. I have a feeling a lots a bout to change. 6’3 175 without shoes and 6’7 wingspan. Thank you.
Thank you for creating content like this! What a great resource for parents that don’t know the first thing about pitching, but want to learn. My son Lucas (12) loves pitching. His goal is to make the HS varsity as a freshman. To do that I think we need to look into a program like Tread.
Appreciate your comment, we're always here for any questions. Let us know if you have any content you'd like to see us make. You can interact with me directly on my twitter, as I'm checking that daily. - Ben
@@treadathletics I will be reaching out to you today.
First time I ever really noticed Drift was watching Lincecum. He was drifting forward while his lead leg was still kicking behind him. Once you see it, it's far easier to notice in other pitchers
I started mimic his mechanics seeing the same thing in high school. Sinking your ass in as you throw your leg back. Lets you better use that momentum into your drift.
Ended up with the exact same hip/spine issues he's got.
Lincecum is a very exaggerated example of it. Most guys don't need a MASSIVE drift like that. In a lot of cases, less is more. But ZERO drift makes it difficult to get that momentum initiation down the slope. - Ben
Way we were taught, and I know a lot of players that went pro that was taught way i was taught by my old former coach in high school which he is the 2nd most winningest coach in the world. Who taught stand tall, drive the front heel down first then push off hard off the rubber. But it also helps keeps you from keeping the front shoulders flying open to soon. It helps learn control and keeping the ball down. Which is lot of pros don't do anymore, but he also wanted you have a long arm extension. Only reason why cause every pitcher we had all threw high 80s mid 90s. We had 1 player throw 101 his name was drew Miller who went pro in 06, and I caught him in high school.
Then got to college coach Martin had same concept as my old coach in high school too.
This is the best I've ever seen on body mechanics
Appreciate you - Ben
This helped a lot thanks for going into explanation about this please keep this up.
This is probably the most useful pitching video I have found on TH-cam.
Appreciate you, let us know if you have any other content ideas! - Ben
I have applied the way you, describ how the front leg, to how I swing at a ball. I lead into it by a toe tap, put pressure on it and, then turn the back leg. I Preload with a (jeff Bagwell) wide/ open stance and, hip twist. It' how I have learned to, stay back on the ball.
Thank you, I started baseball 2 years ago (I’m 16 years old), this video help me gain +10mph
Man I really wished I would have pitched in this era so much technology now in the mechanics
Tons of tech, to where the limiting factor is being able to interpret that data and avoid information overload with the player.
This was the video I need rn in my rehab process. Thank you and god😂
Got that Ball Glove King music going, I like it.
Thank you this video is amazing!
This is some fire stuff 🔥 ⚾️💨
Would you agree rapsodo and trackman are equally as accurate if nothing you throw has seam shift effects? Such as no ssw changeups or sweepers
Would love to know
The movement readings aren't necessarily as accurate (referring to 2.0 units). Velocity, spin direction, and spin efficiency are pretty reliable. Here is a video we made about these pieces of tech:
th-cam.com/video/SUtdthPSUdI/w-d-xo.html
Great breakdown but the bottom line is do what's best for you Good to try new things especially with different pitching coaches but everyone's body and genetics is different
Dang Ben, i agree with you again!! Lol!
So now it’s drift, drop, rotate and block?
Do you think the concept of “drop” Trevor Bauer mentioned in his video isn't a good description?
He also said he blocked his lead leg as hard as possible, like a car crash. Is that wrong?
I also wonder what” relax into landing” means.
Does that mean rotation will naturally happen and I don’t even need to think about it when I’m pitching? Does pelvis rotation speed affect the trunk rotation speed and pitching velocity?
If you drop a ball 12in how fast does move=slow AF.
I think drift > "drop" is a solid descriptor, too. If you drifted properly, then you can think about the sit into tension as a drop and it can work. The issue comes when you didn't drift and you just go from a balance point into a drop and drive pattern like I discuss in the video. There are multiple ways to look at it, and I generally agree with almost all of Trevor's mechanical takes. -Ben
WAIT there is a newer better way?!?
Ben Brewster always dropping straight gas
You don’t need the background music - you have good content! The background music is distracting and makes it harder to hear what you’re saying.
Love this sht