Why Scap Retraction Drills Are Ruining Your Mechanics

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  • Why am I not a fan of scap retraction drills?🧐
    They generally lead to a horizontal yank of the elbow as the pitcher attempts to force this static position.
    Ironically, this ruins the sequence/flow of the entire arm spiral and limits that deep, well-timed retraction.
    Yanking horizontally into scap retraction tends to lead to excess counter-rotation and a corresponding yanking open of the trunk before the arm has a chance to flip up while the trunk is closed.
    Chasing static positions like scap retraction and hip/shoulder separation is dangerous - how you flow in/out of these positions is ultimately what matters if you're looking to emulate elite throwers.
    Well-timed scap retraction (with the forearm vertical and trunk closed) happens as a result of this relaxed pendulum action.
    The arm travels along this loop, passing through scap retraction and perfectly transitioning into the plane of trunk rotation.
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  • @acts-me8xr
    @acts-me8xr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    What a wealth of knowledge! I cannot believe the information that tread gives out for free. Easily the best place on TH-cam for pitching.

  • @user-mu6qn4fw8r
    @user-mu6qn4fw8r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    gonna do the figure 8 rocker drill tonight at training. cheers boss

  • @Realerikmartinez
    @Realerikmartinez 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Video Ben! As usual.

  • @justinedwards51
    @justinedwards51 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tons and tons of value in these videos!
    Is there any way you could clarify maybe what the lead leg is supposed to do, like the path it needs to take?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The path is a bit individual specific, but one of the main things we look at is how it affects landing and how stable the lead leg block is as a result. We like landing from above rather than crashing or rotating into landing, as discussed in our Flatgrounds video here: th-cam.com/video/306t3m6hXC4/w-d-xo.html

  • @curtiscox6469
    @curtiscox6469 ปีที่แล้ว

    great detail. only thing I would have asked is that you explain what scap retraction is at the beginning. great vid.

  • @tootallforbaseball
    @tootallforbaseball 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How does this extra stretch equate to injuries?

  • @alfredfernandez7408
    @alfredfernandez7408 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video what are some good stretches if the player cannot get into that good stretch behind the body? Mobility etc

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  ปีที่แล้ว

      Try this progression!
      th-cam.com/video/DAMfgvDeWkk/w-d-xo.html

  • @danacoleman4007
    @danacoleman4007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good stuff!

  • @surname_name
    @surname_name 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have same problem for years, and in the off-season I seem to have managed to fight it, but unfortunately the season will not happen due to the war with ᵣussia. Will not be able to check the results in the real game. Your video of what I had in my mind last winter. Thanks!

  • @themartialartsapproach8786
    @themartialartsapproach8786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent!

  • @dfboiler
    @dfboiler 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure if this is related but have a catcher who tries to load scap at time of flip up, which often seems to lead to a push. When he throws like a pitcher he retracts scap at the bottom of the arm spiral and maintains it through flip up and until the second arm spiral, this keeps him from pushing. Is there a proper load sequence? And does this scenario sound like it has validity in my assessment?

    • @benbbuxton
      @benbbuxton 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Catching is tough because it is a short arm action. Much less pendulum seems like most catchers throw from midline and don't draw down and back quite like a pitcher. Similar components exist but again it is a shortened movement. I don't really have an answer for you just some considerations

  • @vjcarter4657
    @vjcarter4657 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome

  • @Megabyterex
    @Megabyterex 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fist and foremost I like what you guys do and I respect your content, and in no way I am disparaging this video, but i have to admit, your younger years video, I am not 100% sure if you are actually scalp loading, I see that your elbows are trying move back but that's not a strong load. You are loading like a long distance runner vs if you puff your front chest out and at the same time with quick elbows back, which would akin to a sprinters load, you can definitely feel the difference, hence the difference degrom vs joyce at the front foot strike. Your other ideas at the end I would agree with, which would help the quick muscle reflexes. Just my 2 cents.

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      x.com/TreadAthletics/status/1602348356000415744?s=20
      Here's a different look at it.

  • @tie2tight
    @tie2tight 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    16:29
    im so scared of the mirror right now

  • @user-pk1ty9vb8y
    @user-pk1ty9vb8y 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I looked up the characteristics of fast-paced players such as deGrom, Ben Joyce, and Ahn Woo-jin, I watched this video several times to pattern scapular regression in my mechanics. I wanted to increase the velo by using the scapular regression, but I don't think it's a good way. They say that the scapular retreat did not produce good results while teaching the players. Can you explain how deGgrom and Ben Joyce use the scapular retreat to get a high velo? They are not good at English, so it is not easy to understand

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you watched our breakdowns of their mechanics already? They're great places to start!
      th-cam.com/video/cShWwxN0P98/w-d-xo.html
      th-cam.com/video/Ugb6jcmQZPY/w-d-xo.html

  • @1176hambone
    @1176hambone ปีที่แล้ว

    Is Nolan Ryan not the model for which all should emulate? Shouldn't scap retraction be a natural function of upper body rotation at the time of unloading? Ryan didn't wind his arm back...

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We can't point everyone towards one thrower like Nolan Ryan due to different anatomical makeups, mobility, etc. While natural scap retraction is ideal, some guys may not be able to get into those positions organically.

    • @1176hambone
      @1176hambone ปีที่แล้ว

      @@treadathletics At what point in the biomechanical set of actions does scap retraction need to occur, in the order of operations, etc?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  ปีที่แล้ว

      It happens simultaneously with hip rotation. Throwing arm scap retraction will occur before glove arm scap retraction and obviously before peak trunk rotation. We haven't really seen any data based on the specific point in time if that's what you're asking.

  • @jeimarrero6424
    @jeimarrero6424 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sería genial si fuera en español

  • @acrophobia7596
    @acrophobia7596 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's the best way how to keep pitchers from getting hurt, the answer is, MLB has to change the official low quality ball.

  • @KT-ed8hj
    @KT-ed8hj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so confused. People keep saying you have to throw with intent to throw hard yet Degromm is saying he wouldnt throw hard if he tried to throw hard... make it make sense

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Intent will only get you so far. At that point trying to get smoother and improving sequencing is going to give guys like DeGrom and Ben Joyce an extra tick. (Ben Joyce stated in our podcast with him that he focused on trying to get smoother instead of increasing intent.) That's not to say that guys don't need intent, you need to first actually try to throw hard then properly time that intent within your mechanics to not muscle up.

  • @dylantrejos3
    @dylantrejos3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what were the exercises you used to help that guy turn off the front muscles

  • @francoperez167
    @francoperez167 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Si logro firmar va a ser gracias a ustedes!!

  • @hudsonhouse2289
    @hudsonhouse2289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My phone not even buzzing anymore. I’m doing a reset everyday

  • @hudsonhouse2289
    @hudsonhouse2289 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No

  • @FLOWmyGOD
    @FLOWmyGOD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    first

  • @au8363
    @au8363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

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    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂

    • @au8363
      @au8363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@au8363 ok. how do I do that?

    • @au8363
      @au8363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@au8363 I tried that. it's not working. ☹️