Should Everything be Canon? | Lore Rants
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- With Sonic Prime season 2 having released. I felt like making video explaining my thoughts on how I felt about whether Sonic the hedgehog should be canon or not.
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Credit to Netflix and Sega for their respective properties of Sonic Prime and Sonic in general
And credit to @Aurora Kazuya for the intro sequence dub
I think having the spin-offs being canon is fine, as long as it doesn’t detract from the main experience.
Ian in interview has stated that it wouldnt detract after this vid was made. A lot of my concerns were actually addressed by him so im chill
@@flakyseasalt As a Badnik fan, most Sonic media being canon nowadays is not that big of a deal for me personally. I do agree though that the games shouldn’t rely on people having already read the comics and watch the shows to get the full experience.
@@MontyMoleLoreMaster Yeah i feel like thats just unneccesary extra steps
@@flakyseasalt Maybe small easter eggs or references would be fine, but I don’t think that you should be forced to read the comics in order to get the full experience of the story.
Yeah, I agree. I never read the comics either. What I liked about the games is that I didn't need to worry about all of the shows and comics being canon. It was optional, and now it's required.
Sticks also doesn't really make sense to be in the canon, and it kind of felt like the characters are now just being forced into canon. There could be a canon counterpart that isn't from Boom, but we were never introduced to that Sticks.
I would like them to introduce other media characters. There's too many inconsistencies between the games, comics and shows for me to take it seriously.
Yeah I always thought that the mention of sticks and tangle in frontiers was them being modern equivalents. Not that these respective worlds are in the same world
@@flakyseasaltYeah, I just wish they'd introduce them as new counterparts and not just force everything together. It feels lazy and all we are told is not to worry about it. 😅
Thing is, Sticks has had "mainline canonicity" in the Sonic 2016 mini-comics.
@@amesstarline5482 the fact that i just didint know that was even a thing kind of proves my point even further about spin off content
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I agree with prime IDW is worthy of being canon it simply just redeems lots of things from games
Thats not my point. My point isnt that they shouldnt be canon cause of what they offer. The point is that spin-off content shouldnt be canon cause its too tedious to analyse the mainline games + everytthing else
What does IDW redeem from the games?
Why didn't the person at the start get to talk more before you forced them to say it? Aw...
Shadow destroyed Sonic the entire show, so it's canon.
EVERYTHING IS CANON!
Everything should be Canon.
Fnaf was a lot of having fucking nothing early on.
I don't think this is a good comparison because it's like how Goku Black sucked in DBFZ or people in early DBFZ sucked because you could find matches where probably everyone would know a mechanic works a certain way and yet people would be dropping combo's or not extending well or knowing of things they should despite being on Top Tournament level.
Nothing to do with how the patches changed the game just general player skill...
In the same way Fnaf 1 just had effectively the Crying Children poster and the missing Children with the 5 and a Yellow Bear.
Fnaf 2 expanded upon it with the 8 Bit minigames but then there's like Pink Guy and Purple Guy.
Fnaf 3 did even more and we got to see Purple Die but it also introduced Good and Bad endings which to this day people can't exactly say which one of those is Canon if anyhting it's a mix of the 2.
Fnaf 4 didn't do anything to do anything to Fnaf 3 so the original ending regardless unless people assumed Dream Theory Copium was a bad ending. Springtrap survived and the killer was always out there. The End.
We don't know much about this family that lives within this house we just know one of them got bit and maybe he's the puppet maybe he's Golden Freddy? Heck maybe he's both.
You did have to S A V E H I M.
There was just a lot of unanswered questions and maybe that's fine but it makes the story in a vacuum mainly only interesting I think for the idea of how much story a hidden lore game had at the time.
I like this approach!
Isn't Sonic Prime just one season?
Maybe Scrap Mecha is just THAT POWERFUL and maybe you're scaling wrong.
Doesn't matter the Goku fan would hit you with Goku 3d who fuses with the Audience and solo's you anyways.
Um I think understanding the Lore isn't a Casual thing when you go deep enough or long enough into a show.
Like any of the Big 3 and it's predecessor.
Heck you can look way deeper into the Lore of these 4 series Dragon Ball, One Piece, Bleach, Naruto... Than even the surface.
But when all of thse have comparisons to hundreds of chapters even if you count animated form would be hours of watch time understanding the Lore is usually more simple than a simple watch.
If you want to watch simply or play the games you're free to do that people could make a timeline but when it comes to lore especially once it drags on over a decade of content it starts to get tougher and tougher and some people who want to be causuals are better off just relying on simple timelines or just playing game to game and enjoying the story they get from within the game and asking questions later if they want rather than worrying about all the lore.
I'm pretty sure there's a series called What is Kirby Canon and people can just play Kirby games but the moment the exact second they get into Lore it becomes complicated.
That's why heavy lore things or lore that goes on long enough feels like a competitive thing not something for casuals.
It's different summing something up for someone simply like "Oh this character is a vampire who hates the protaganist because they stopped them from killing a woman and their pride was hurt so they only hunt them." But I doubt anyone walks up and straight up asks "Can you sum up this whole story for me." Without the idea of the response "It's a long story" or something of the sort that makes your summurization a gross understatement of all the possible lore that exists within.
These Sum ups, these In minutes, these full things "I guess" are just trying to simplify and speed it up as much as possible but to truly understand some things you either need a godly level of explanation that is all encompassing and gets the message through or you just need to learn it yourself through longer methods and trial and error.
At least that's what I believe.
@@ZelZ-.-z yes my complaint isn't the fact that there is so much to learn. All examples you brought up with Kirby, DBZ, one piece, they all have one media that you take complete refrence from. Kirby is purely the games and DBZ is purely the manga.
Sonic has ALLLL these other forms of canon media. And it makes it very difficult to keep track of it all.
@@flakyseasalt I don't exactly know about that.
DBZ or Dragonball as it's better has so many forms of things and so many things within it's multiple possible universes that are Anime, Manga, Games, Other series like Heroes. Heroes Manga.
Like if you scale things it differs so much.
For example Future Gohan vs Goku as a debate since you mentioned a power debate in your video.
If you used the Manga then Goku who comes back to fight King cold probably washes Future Gohan.
But if you use Anime Future Gohan probably solo's every fradulent Saiyan until Super Vegeta appears.
I can't say much about Kirby since it's anime just seems to be a fun thing but the concept of these Manga's having Anime's that extend or have their own pseudo canons. Novels, Games that have things that will be referenced, extentions, or become popular is starting to become more common.
I wouldn't even be shocked if things like JJK get games where Domain expansions are revealed only in them or other Anime's doing the same thing because it's low-key a smart move.
@@ZelZ-.-z I'm aware about DB heroes and stuff but those are explicitly stated to not be canon to the main manga
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