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Yall see a character on a redenption path having LOWS and regressions and immediately go 'yeah unredeemable' THATS HOW IT IS IN REAL LIFE shes like the character most rooted in reality and thats why she has been beloved by fans. Chloe poured her all into doing hero work and it makes sense why she had a hard time figuring it out and letting it go, have the authors presented it from the perspective of 'you had your shot and lost it' it could've made sense but they chose to capitalize on chloe as a hero too long and then rubbed it innwith her sentimonster sister 😅

I feel yall love to call this a 'fail redemption' to cope with the fact it was a terrible writing twist and a waste of time, and now that is 6 season in is better to call it that... Chloe moves the plot and was probably the most efficient hero yeah she wasnt in it for heroism but she was IT when she was locked down to the purpose of being a hero And thats what chloe needed at the end of the day to be a good person to see that when she does good she will receibe honest graces and not shallow ones. The reality is Marinette didnt help chloe AT ALL if anything she kept gaslighting her when she kept giving her the power like gdamn WHYYYYY. The reality is Chloe needed pollen's serene attitude and ladybug's guidance after her first fail, and the show was steadily building that very well (y'know the path to better is filled with highs and lows), after that we already know chloe can easily reject akuma she isnt a that much of a liability. Truth is writters decided to butcher a great storyline and their MC just to create a plot to hate a blond girl instead of realising 'hey, we have something good here lets keep it going' It doesnt matter now but it remains the most wasted dozen episodes ever

I believe that chaos energy acts in the same why like having emotions. They are used in a specific way that identifies one's feelings or contraptions. Chaos energy could be argued in a way on how sonic and shadow differ on thier use of choas energy in fights or how they use their speed. Sonic's speed could come from chaos energy itself. The way sonic has this blue aura whenever he runs fast or when he gets a power ring in sonic x to spin and destroy enemies could be chaos energy related. Chaos energy could be in a way of the force in star wars too, how it has light and dark. Just some ways on how I think about it.i loved your video and would love to hear more about how chaos energy is used throughout the series and maybe a video on how chaos energy can create paths for characters like how dark sonic could be weaker than super sonic because of use of chaos energy or how shadow could compare based on hiw dark sonic feels.

It's good to see you again Keep going

You know, looking back at these scenes then you can really tell what Chloe's problem is. If you recall what happened in Miraculer, Chloe was very down about not being Queen Bee again and was made a fool by Lila. Immediately after this, she basically started insulting Sabrina out of the blue. From this scene it seemed like Chloe was only doing this to make herself feel better by pointing out how much better she was than Sabrina. Chloe's problem in my opinion, why she couldn't change, is because Chloe loves power, over people or things. For instance, during her life her mother left her when she was little and wanted nothing more than her approval and attention. Her father in a desperate attempt started spoiling Chloe, giving her everything she wanted. In his fear of losing Chloe, her father started to do whatever Chloe wanted. This started giving Chloe a power complex. Even how she treated Marinette in Derision, even though how unaccurete it is, shows how Chloe loves to have power over someone. Even her downfall episode and final episode proves this. During Heartbreaker she was frustrated that she couldn't do anything, especially when her signal light wasn't working. She was also heartbroken over Ladybug didn't have her help out. So when Hawkmoth, the person who akumatized her parent, offered her power she took it. Then in her finally, after losing everything and everyone, she immediately called Marinette to basically gloat about Adrien leaving and how Marinette was going to suffer because of it. It was like she was trying to keep what little power she had left, basically the power of a bully. Chloe 's problem is her obsession with power and that's the reason why she could never change.

I respectfully disagree my friend

Got to be honest I kind of like Chloe failed redemption, mostly because it shows something that more writers and people in general should realize. Redemption arcs should be hard. You don’t get to just to bad things Apologize and then all of a sudden you’re a good person. If Chloe wanted to change she would need to release that no one is going to forgive her in just one day and that some people won’t forgive her at all. I mean like you said it’s her own fault that no one likes her, she should have to put in actual work in order to be a better person and want to be, not just wanting to be a good person so that people will like her.

I believe this is pure "Rage bait"

Season 2 Chloe is really peak 😭😭, but the core is Chloe shouldn't reveal her identity in front of everyone, if she didn't reveal it none of this will happen, and She could still be Queen Bee until now

The problem with what happened is because Chloe is replaced awfully by some one dimensional character versus Chloe who had more depth during queen bees scenes. Chloe deserved to get redeemed. She deserved better. Chloe was betrayed first by ladybug and this isn’t a bias. It’s literally canon. The whole Chloe can’t get her miraculous because she had her identity known. Ladybug was a hypocrite and let kagami use her miraculous again after this rule was enforced on Chloe. Chloe gave ladybug a taste of her medicine by betraying her like how ladybug betrayed her. Nothing was smart about this. At all.

We want chloe to become good and become good in season 6 😢

I loved this video

Can you please make a video about Andre, because I can’t tell if what he did at the end of season 5, leaving Chloe with her mother, was a good choice or a bad one.

Well honestly i see Chloe as a character, a very great character, she may not have a good personality, now look at it , there are other people far worse than Chloe. So what spoiled her is her parents, remember ttat family is a huge effect in anyone, even Adrien was abused in a more psychological aspect. Also Thomas astruc hate Chloe, to which am suprised at . Remember tyat Chloe us more human, she was showing gradual change even before the miraculous, plus lila lied to chloe that ladybug needs help. Thats a factor , being a hero is not about fame , yet it can . So that's what i see and understand. The execution wasn't good at all . Plus Chloe is important to tye plot. Let's not forget Chloe is great at being queen bee . It fits her . Very well.

I completely agree Most people believe that she should’ve been redeemed in season two or three, but still have hope that she will be redeemed in the future, or they think that she will never be redeemed and was never supposed to be redeemed I’ve tried explaining to people that she was not supposed to be redeemed in season two but she can still be redeemed, but I’ve never been able to find the right wirds This video almost completely describes how I feel about Chloe Chloe is a rich girl who was spoiled rotten by her father and constantly belittled, and put down by her mother. This shaped her to be mean and entitled because that’s how she felt she could get the love of her parent, the fact that she was correct in that assumption, especially when it came to her mother Didn’t help her become better. She was given multiple chances by her classmates by ladybug and by the world to change, but the only reason why she took them was not because she genuinely wanted to change, but because of the fame and recognition she would get by being a superhero and working with ladybug, when ladybug had to take her miraculous away, Chloe lost the incentive. She had to change and completely turned evil the last strand of good she had being tossed aside she gradually got worst and worse with her personality and entitlement which eventually caused her to lose everything at the end of season five I agree that Marinette took the wrong approach when helping Chloe and I can’t believe I didn’t see it before And now that I’m thinking about it, you’re right this is a very creative choice for the riders to make. I’m planning on watching miraculous again very soon and I’m going to be looking at Chloe’s redemption through this perspective to try and get a better understanding because the more I think about it the more it all makes sense In conclusion, I don’t think Chloe was wasted potential. I think Chloe wasted her potential I believe that it’s a realistic to still redeem her, but just as realistic to not redeem her because Chloe is still a child she can still change if she really wants to, but if she makes the choice not to change , then she won’t But I do agree with Chloe fans on one thing if she isn’t going to get redeemed, then her story should just end at Revolution The part of this video that definitely sold me if I wasn’t already was22:36 When you said that it was almost like we were in a toxic relationship with her This comment is getting pretty long so I will just end it with this Chloe’s failed redemption was genius and no matter what happens with her character in the future. I won’t change my mind on that.

It is hard to call her failed redemption genius since the writer dedicated his time in making her feel sorry apologizing to Caline Bustier heck even at one point resisted being akumatized by hawk moth and by the season 3 finale all of that whole chloe changing for the better was thrown out the window and by the start of season 4 onward she just became worst and worst it even made me wonder why bother try showing signs of Chloe redeeming herself in the first place it just made all of those redeeming qualities she was getting in season 2 completely pointless.

So I would say of my opinion that Suzie was the first but it was charlie who died let me tell you btw some of this is Google's I'm starting from the very first death William killed charlie,suzie,Jeremy,Gabriel,Frederick Circus baby killed Elizabeth Michael killed c.c crying child Evan evad dave(who all these names belong to you may say well it belongs to c.c that one person everyone says has so much names they don't know his real one wow) Elizabeth(I think it was her or the spaghetti person) killed Michael

No offense, but I honestly going to have to disagree with you about calling Chloe's lack of character development as "genuine storytelling" because while I somewhat do agree with the moral that not everyone can change in order to like the mean characters as a character since it's okay to like or favorite a character who is a mean, selfish, snobby, & egotistical person that didn't really redeem themselves & are so full of themselves especially for bully characters since we all have different opinions on these type of characters whether they're likeable or not & regardless of the hate they get by every fandom, sure the mean popular jerk trope isn't anything special & isn't for everyone at all, but that doesn't make the trope itself bad or poorly written, it's just something that happens to everyone in real life & in animation and live action especially how these bully characters despite them being awful people, can have their fans whether they like them for being funny, entertaining, attractive, relatable, or combination of both, bullies like Azula, The Dazzlings (aka Adagio Dazzle, Aria Blaze, & Sonata Dusk), Heather (Total Drama), Regina George (despite actually redeeming herself at the end of Mean Girls), Lucy Van Pelt, Eric Cartman, Diesel (Thomas & Friends), Junko Enoshima, & Chelsea Van Der Zee, where they're all very mean, selfish, egotistical, boastful, snobby, petty, & are overall not very nice people, but they're also amazing, iconic, & well written characters that can show a good side of themselves, but never to the point where they become the good guys as they're still antagonists that continue to do terrible things, yet they have fans that really enjoy their character because they are charming, entertaining, complex, & fun villains in a genuine way that doesn't make them boring & pointless especially how most of them actually do get some character depth when it comes to exploring some backstory as to why they're the way they are, of course it doesn't excuse the terrible actions they did, but at least I can understand why they're like that, and they're development was never neglected by the writing and kept they're development in their character to make it clear that this stuff has actually happened to their character, which makes these bully characters I mentioned less one dimensional & more three dimensional & more human and how the shows & movies see the genuine potential to redeem these bully characters which is something I feel like Chloe Bourgeois is completely lacking when it comes to her villainous acts as she comes off as a boring villain with no effort put into her character writing and her motivations being so lackluster & lazy and how it didn't develop Chloe's character at all throughout 5 seasons of Miraculous Ladybug especially how the show seems like it wants to give Chloe some character growth when it comes to humanizing her like her family issues, not having many friends, & lacking any empathy and while it doesn't excuse her bad actions, at least it gives me a reason to sympathize her, but the problem with this writing choice is that none of Chloe's tragedy is treated as tragic & sympathetic, but instead is treated as not a big deal or had nothing to do with her downfall where Thomas Astruc & the writers treats Chloe's life as good where they think she had a better childhood with no bad influence by her parents, had everything she wanted, and was just straight up entitled girl throughout her life, when in actuality, it's not always true, Chloe did had a terrible childhood where she was a young child that was neglected & abused by parents who never taught her how to love herself and show empathy towards others around her especially how her mother leaving her, how her parents greed, abusive, & corruption of power & will caused & influence her to become who she is in the show as she grows up as a teenager, someone who is so horrible & toxic that can make her so miserable to the point where she would do that to the other characters around her, and yet, the show never painted this as "tragic", it's always painted as something that never happened to her, which is just so stupid & dumb because a lot of this child abuse has happened to her that made her the way she is, and yet the show just doesn't see that, and to be honest, I absolutely despise how the show handles serious topics like child abuse so disrespectful where they don't take it seriously at all, & I still feel like Chloe's lack of character growth or lack of development is a contribute to one of me & everyone's biggest criticism with Miraculous Ladybug, and that's the lack of character development of every character in the series because not a single character has gotten any depth at all throughout 5 seasons as the majority of them just remained the exact same people with no character arc or development, and the episodes being just the basic "Monster of the Week" format that only worked for the first season since it was just the beginning of the story of the series, but in the later seasons, it looked like it wants to be story driven & mixing up with the episodic format, and the thing is that style can work, and would give these characters actual depth & backstory/flashbacks where it would change everything about the series (similar how Gravity Falls, My Little Pony, Steven Universe, Star vs the forces of Evil, Amphibia, & The Owl House did where they all started off very episodic fun adventures in the first season, but as the show went on, they start leaning into the story driven format while having some episodic adventures, but even then, they're was still continuity in these episodes where things are actually starting to change a lot where the characters are starting to develop, envolve, & change in the story as well as having flashbacks of how these characters turned out to be & many others that are related to the lore of these shows), and the show tries to do this, but it completely falls flat because nothing feels like everything has changed in the story where we as the audience thought the characters (not just the characters who are mean, but also the ones who are nice as well) have grow, change, & envolve, but instead, everyone just remained the exact same people from the first season with the only change being they have given Miraculous powers, the students becoming Miraculous heroes, new superheroes, Master Fu no longer around, Felix's introduction, & Gabriel given new transformations, but that's it, and even then, they absolutely do nothing interesting with these new changes to the show where they're now used as plot devices rather than being used as a meaningful point to the story where it would actually develop the characters, & every episode format is really just a repeat of the first season, but becoming even more boring & dull to sit through, and that to me is what always bother me about the show is how there is no development to all of the characters especially to the new characters like Zoe Lee for example where they're all just really simple stereotypes where some are just goody goody super sweet characters with no selfish or mean side, and some are just baddy baddy super mean characters with zero good or redeeming side, and even when the show tries to be interesting when it comes to the time travel stuff, it still doesn't work because it makes the storyline so confusing & all over the place and because of the show's lack of serialization or continuity, it makes the whole show so boring & formulaic to watch, and how it also makes the stakes or heartwarming moments in the series extremely lackluster & kind of forced where I don't feel or relate to any of the characters, I just simply feel nothing for them, that's how bland, generic, & one-dimensional majority of them are and there are times where the characters in the show are kind of mean spirited jerks when it comes to the bullying parts, & the characters at times being so hateful to each other whether they're racist, abusive, toxic, idiotic, cruel, unlikeable, or both, and that's one of the reasons why Miraculous Ladybug has gotten so much hate nowadays because there is no actual change to the story & characters, it's all the same formula over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, & over again, & it's so frustrating & painful to watch. But if you actually like this writing direction for Chloe & the show itself then that's fine, I'll respect your opinion on it, I personally couldn't get into it especially how I never saw the appeal or popularity of the series whenever it doesn't try to do anything interesting with the story & characters, yet, it still going on for 10 seasons despite not doing anything compelling with the writing, thus, making the entire show (like I said before) pretty boring to watch, and that's coming from someone like me who used to be a fan of Miraculous Ladybug before I fell out of the series around season 5 (& probably will never come back to this franchise again). Anyway, nice video on Chloe Bourgeois though 😅😊.

Great video

I think the true order of possession comes with the Easter egg of the Bonnie last. It seems odd that a secret Easter egg is locked behind a random order of lighting the graves, especially when the puppet is first in that order followed by chica. Especially when you take into consideration the “give gifts give life” mini-game. It just doesn’t make sense for Chica to be the first dead or possessed.

This is the dumbest video ever! Chloe had a rédemption arc but all was dumped away cause thomas Astruc hate her so much. What the hell are you talking about??

To be honest, I don't think Chloe's fake redemption is well-written, and while she does things for recognition, it's not that big of a deal. Remembering that in Chloe's life she barely had any attention or positive recognition, she saw that being a superhero gives her what she never had and at the same time she is with the one who inspires her. It reminds me a bit of Flash Thompson in Spiderman (I know the storys are different) the bully fan of the hero who has a slight redemption based on admiration. My problem with Chloe's fake redemption is the moment she betrays Ladybug, she was right Ladybug left her to her fate and Heart Hunter was the perfect enemy for Queen Bee, But because of her jealousy she took Ryuko who was not supposed to be a heroine again like her.

Chloe's failed redemption isn't what got me...that was done over with caput, what got to me was Soul Crusher and Queen Banana... I have a big thing of Family so Zoe basically lying to Chloe in Queen Banana (as much as it was needed) about loving her gave me the ick it's what really got to me Soul Crusher got to me cause Andre... Ugh I sooooo just wanna punch him... Poor Zoe and Chloe

I'm fine with Chloe not being redeemed, they just did a poor job trying to get me believe she could ever meaningfully change, and it could've worked if Chloe were allowed to make progress, only for something to happen that causes her to backslide. I personally take issue with Miraculous writing its teen girl villains as more evil and less sympathetic than Gabriel Agreste, the grown man who abuses his son, and torments all of Paris just to bring his wife back. I loathe how they try to turn Andre into a victim of Chloe, even though season 1 made it abundantly clear that Andre does abuse his power to get what he wants (like in Rogercop where he fired Roger for not arresting Marinette despite their being flimsy circumstantial evidence pointing to her guilt, or in Darkblade where they implied he played dirty to win the election.)

Honestly, I still can’t defend Chloe’s failed redemption. Are there people who will never change? Yeah. Not everyone is redeemable. And you know what? I could’ve appreciated the damnation arc if it was framed as a sort of tragic story, and I have to give you some credit for pointing out how they set it up. But the framing of it all as “Chloe is Irredeemable” rather than “Chloe is doomed to fail at her redemption because of the people around her and what she’s done.” Is what ruined it for me…mostly from Tommy boi, but even BOTM has traces of this. Nobody takes accountability for having chloe turn out the way she did, especially Marinette. She didn’t even bring up the fact that she trusted Chloe once and showed more concern for master fu rather than allowing Chloe to be manipulated by hawk moth…might not be true, but still. And no, I’m not saying Chloe should be forgiven for her past actions. She did a lot of bad things across the series, and it was her choice to stab ladybug in the back, but as you brought up, she COULD have been redeemed and she wasn’t, and they frame it all as HER fault instead of Hawk Moth’s manipulation, her father never disciplining her, Ladybug boosting her ego and having her be with her mother, and her mother…being her mother (which they do acknowledge but in a sort of “a bad mother is no excuse for being a shit person” sort of way…as if there weren’t a few other factors that shaped her into the person she is). And you know what? I probably would’ve been okay with Chloe being a villain or being more malicious, maybe the possibility of her finding out ladybug’s identity…but then sole crusher and queen banana happened…and it felt like the writers were trying to spite the people who gave a damn about Chloe and tried to force Zoe down our throats, give her the bee miraculous the episode after her debut, proclaim her to be “the real queen bee” (even if the voice actress doesn’t agree), have people praise her as if she was Jesus, bash Chloe and Queen Bee as a whole, and had the balls to end with “Maybe this will help Chloe be a better person.”….after everything that’s happened, that felt like a slap in the face, and wouldn’t you know, next episode, she wants Adrien locked up in his house…real classy writers. Apologies for the long rant. I just cared so much about this. Even as someone who wanted Chloe to be a villain, I still hated what the writers did to her. I still appreciate you pointing out how they planted seeds of it failing. It’s just everything from BOTM onwards and Tommy boi that made me hate it.

The main reason why the arc failed is because Thomas still holds a grudge against his elementary bullies, not highschool, not college, but his ELEMENTARY BULLIES which chloe is based off of one of them

I respectfully disagree. As someone who is not a Chloe fan anymore, if someone were to ask me what my thoughts about Chloe's failed redemption arc are, I will forever say that it's not genius writing at all. It's horribly executed. In my opinion, if they really wanted me to believe that Chloe is irredeemable, then they should have executed it better. They should have just made her the female version of Gary from rockstar's bully game, rather than a dead horse who keeps on getting beaten over and over again and nobody likes it when a writer keeps on beating a dead horse. Like okay I get it she's irredeemable, she can never change, but can we please move on? Chloe's arc is so repetitive and boring. Like I just don't want to see her on screen anymore. Anyways, great video, dude! Your channel is highly underrated! One thing I will never ever ever ever understand is... Since when did Chloe give Marinette PTSD?

Now all the Chloé stans will accuse Marinette of everything. Some of them were already blaming her, like it was her main responsibility to take care of Chloé and guide her to being good. Yeah, because to them, saving the world is less important than caring to your bully every needs.

While my views have changed thanks to this video, I still believe that deep down Chloe has some good in her. There were true selfless moments from her and I can’t look past that, despite her villainy. Hell, Gabriel was redeemed and he didn’t have one ounce of light in him before that episode! We saw multiple times he was ready to beat his son and his son’s girlfriend to near death just to get the miraculous, and he didn’t feel any guilt, so to me he was irredeemable despite sacrificing himself (to reverse damage he caused). If Thomas thinks he’s redeemable, I know Chloe is too… it’s just a shame it’ll never happen

Similar to Chloe, please don't boost Thomas Astruc's ego further by calling his writing "brilliant". For every positive video about Miraculous, for a good reason there are a 100 negative ones. Watch a video about him specifically and suddenly all the questionable writing decisions make sense. I have never seen a writer this unlikable and that being obvious in every pore of the show. He didn't redeem Chloe because he was hung up on a mean girl from his middle school days and he used Chloe to "get back at her".

Did you notice the typo in thumbnail, or was it done on purpose ?

This deserves more likes, a LOT more likes

I have never thought of that.... You are a genius. So Chole... was never good. WOAH 😅

Ppl thinking she will actually not stay a villain when she is basically a girl Malfoy. Malfoy himself needed to grow up first to change his ways, you can't expect still teenage Chloé to know better.

Chloe acts like a Karen 💀💀💀

Chloe was never meant to be good or get a redemption the og bibles, scripts, and concepts show that but a lot of people have never seen the og info

Look at my list of characters that had development or Talk No Jutsu: Anakin Skywalker Kevin E. Leven Lena/Cure Amour Eileen/Cure Beat Sabrina/Cure Passion Twila/Cure Scarlet Starlight Glimmer Kiana/Cure Cosmo Diamond Tiara Discord Machi Kuragi Kotomi Ichinose Eri Aizawa Prince Zuko Samurai Jack And Ashi Riku Saix Xion Amanda/Cure Echo Katsuki Bakugo Red (Angry Birds) Lord Seventh (Naruto) Sasuke Uchiha Princess Sara Mikaru Harriet/Cure Flora Orochimaru Penny (Zatch Bell!) The Cyniclons (Tokyo Mew Mew) Black Lady/Chibiusa Princess Nehelenia The Specture Sisters Fiore Nash/Shark Valon Bakura Vegeta, Shadow The Hedgehog ,Terra Ventus & Aqua,Terra Branford Lea/Axel Corina Bucksworth Kimberly Mysner Marik Ishtar Ken (Digimon) Dabby & Dina (Mecard) Rue (Princess Tutu) Jin Kazama Akito Sohma Yami Yugi/Atem Jaden Yuki/Yubel Naminé Silver Spoon Mai Valentine Rafael Alister King Dimitri Zane Trusdale Akiza Izinski Raimoundo Pesdora Lord Rafal, Prince Demande Rebecca Hawkins α Patroklos Alexander & Pyrrha Ω Alexandra Hortensia,Ivy Mauvier,Veyle Sage Sora Perse Cloud Strife, Shadow The Hedgehog And Finally: Princess Iris Princess Auriana Talia & Logan from Deadpool & Wolverine.

This is why this character is immune to Talk No Jutsu.

Well Thomas said on interview it would be Ned Flanderizing to redeem or be good.

Everyone seems forget Chloe's actions, especially from season 1. I've always hated Chloe for not stop bullying anyone.

Just about everything you said is exactly what I've been trying to tell others for ages!

I don't think you know what good writing is.

The Interesting part is Chloe was never going to get a redemption arc, since Astruc left town, leaving his childhood bully unsupervised, some writer wrote her a arc behind Astruc's back, and it was too late to delete it, but not too late to ruin it, My theory is, when Astruc found out his bully would get a redemption arc and couldn't remove it, I think he played into the arc, only to rip the rug off of our feet, to make us depise her even more the only thing about MLB could be considered genius is how Tom managed to set up a perfect fanfiction with his ex to have a fictional daughter (Marinette) to deomize his childhood bully, all disguise in a children's show about superheros

While it's inspiring to see bad people change, the media often sends the wrong message that "YOU can change a bad person" and Marinette puts that naive observation to practice and it fails. I like that, because I for one forgave and ignored people who treated me poorly to no avail, it's until I stooped lower than them that I actually made a difference, that being "don't get on my bad side" and not the "work on your manners" that I was hoping for. I wish more children media wouldn't beat us over the head with this bad lesson because sometimes, it's the right thing to do to hurt someone back, because children or not, bad people exist, I know them all too well and most of them don't learn the lesson until they face punishing consequences. That being said, I do see why people buy Chloe's "redemption" despite the signs, not because redemption is a popular trope, but because miraculous doesn't work with it's moral lessons properly (rogercop) and Thomas is known for having no grasp on continuity so Chloe acting against her ongoing development in some episodes is easy to brush off

me when i overthink

There’s a scene in Revelation where Marinette literally states to Adrien “Sometimes the good we think we see in some people is just a reflection of our own, and we end up being fooled by our own kindness”.

The trope of redemption has been so overused in shows nowadays that it was refreshing to see a character get the chance at redemption and squander it. It was so nice... until Season 4 and Season 5 came around. Some things i did not agree with: A) In season 3, it is a big plot point that Chloé cannot be Queen Bee anymore because Gabriel knows who she is. It makes sense... But then in Season 4, after Gabriel finds out the identity of all the temporary heroes, Ladybug still trusts them with Miraculous. Not to mention in Kuro Neko, they state that you can change your suit if you change your personality, meaning if Chloé changed, she could change her suit as well. B) The existence of Zoe. So when Season 4 was announced, it was also announced that there would be a new Bee Holder. There were some theories, like a future Chloé (since it was stated a character from the future would appear) or a Chloé undergoing a persona after Miracle Queen. But then it's revealed to be Chloé's... half-sister? That was never mentioned before and implies Audrey cheated on Andre? And is the complete opposite of Chloé and becomes friends with Marinette? Feels like a complete SI, especially considering she gets a Miraculous in her second appearance. C) Chloé's defeat and favoritism. So Chloé, who overthrew her father, became the Mayor of Paris and willingly worked with Monarch, is banished from Paris and goes to NY. I have no problems with this. However, then you have a character like Felix, who had no problem giving Gabriel every other Miraculous Ladybug had in her yo-yo, tipping the scales further in the villains favor, all for the sake of the Peacock Miraculous, just to save his own ass, is allowed to not only roam free, but keep the Peacock Miraculous full time? Heck, Gabriel, the man who had no problem starting WORLD WAR 3, is allowed to be seen as a hero at the end of Season 5. Seems like Chloé fate was more because Astruc hates her and less because the story makes sense.

I am relieved that she didn’t change. Many bad people in reality Choose not to change, Even though they have many opportunities to do so. I rarely see this represented in stories.

Chloe deserve a chance to become good and also become queenbee hero