My 4.8 is in a 02 reg cab 4wd only 71,000 miles on the truck, i use it for truck stuff and simply don't do a lot of truck stuff, in 23 years of ownership it has had one alternator, one headlight, 3 batteries, and that's it.
@@mewrongwayKOCXF the Flathead Ford is nothing like the d-series GM V8 lol 😆 the ls was originally designed for Ford and was supposed to be used by Ford but Ford didn't want to use it so they went ahead with their plans to use their modular V8. All the information is there if you do the research. The ls nothing more than a modernized 351 Windsor. Also you're trying to say that GM is the one in the lead when Ford was making dual overhead cam V8s way before GM ever thought to. Hence V8 tank engines.. GM decided to stick with the pushrod V8 so yeah. You're telling me in LS V8 is more technologically advanced than a Coyote 5.0? Look I like all cars it doesn't matter to me but you just sit there and act like ford is just trying to copy GM is just silly dude. If you don't like Fords that's fine but don't sit there and make up stupid shit.
I consistently get shit gas mileage around 10 mpg, but my truck has a booty setup. Other than the mpg complaint the 4.8 is mechanical sound and stupid reliable.
200K on the motor, overhaul it with new rings and pistons that bump up the compression ratio. This will add HP and a little bit of torque as well as help with the throttle response.
I agree 100% I'd buy a nice set of .030 over keth black or a good name brand piston with a anti frictional skirts chrome moly rings and cylinder hone for it and a set of gen 4 rods that are rod checked for roundness and a set of load/heat resistant bearings any high preformance bearing. Idk my thoughts. And get a set of 10.5 to 1 compression pistons with big valve reliefs like 80 thou or more and run it on 91 octane with that same combo of the heads and manifold and headers and tune I'd bet it pick up a decent more power. Idk I'm a educated enthusiast at joliet junior college automotive who works on cars and I love engines, transmissions and rear ends. Great video guys please keep dynoing engines
Not for nothing but a well taken care of LS with mid to low mileage will eat 200 HP worth of Spray all day long Obviously a few more mods should be added but you can get a forth gen f-body into the nines without even doing head work, intake, cam a good stall with a built trans and make sure you get your suspension and chassis all hooked up But yeah LSs love big cams and big spray
I mean.... that's 100 hp / L out of a pushrod 2V engine. That used to be exclusive domain for DOHC 4V systems, so pretty awesome overall. That RPM range is badass, 7200 RPM!
@@Mastermindyoung14yes, you mean that Lotus/MercuryMarine engine put in the mid90’s ZR1 corvette? That engine was a absolute dawg and nothing to write home about
I had a 4.8 in my old work van. That is a tough little motor. I loved it. It was used, abused, and never got regular oil changes. I delivered medical supplies, and (mostly) oxygen tanks. When loaded down in my 2500 express, the suspension and brakes complained a lot more than the motor. Sometimes i would drive more than 2500 miles a week, and she never let me down. I had a dead battery once, but nothing engine related. And, for a big van, that thing had plenty of acceleration. If i was empty, that thing would move.
A 4.8 would be great in an 80s F-Body. Without even doing any big modifications it would be a big improvement over the old 5.0, or even the 5.7 in stock form.
@@smykster007 I did a 5.3 first and then got a great deal on a 6.0 so I swapped them and will use the 5.3 for my 1946 Chevy truck I'm building. On the Camaro I did all new steering, suspension, brakes etc at the same time. It's like a totally different car. You won't regret it
The whole point of the 4.8 is high RPM & boost. Put a little cam in it and a cheap turbo and let it eat. No issues making 600 whp all day long on them even with high miles.
The reign of the LS1 has lived on because it’s just such an economical package for both price/performance and package dimensions. Would love to see a tear down and refresh for a boost build.
Reign of the LS? Which one has gone 5.88 @ 256mph with an almost entirely oe parts engine? None. John Mihovetz has taken the 4.6 4V to that level. Which LS has gone 300.4mph in the standing mile? Zero. A prepped 5.4L Ford GT has. Which LS has won overall Sick Week, Tx2k24, Import vs Domestic with a sleeved oe cast block and heads and oe crank breaking every Drag and drive radial record ever? None. Brett Lasalas Coyote has. The LS has "reigned" on cheap easy builds... but not ultimate performance with oe cast engines. Last note. The one year 4V engined were allowed in the Engine Masters Challenge in 2013, the 4V Fords took a clean sweep on the podium and crying from the GM camp forced a rule change and the 4V aren't allowed now against the pushrod engines. All those extra cubes don't make up for inferior flowing heads. Fact
@@chadkent1241 that’s great. Brett’s Snot Rocket 1.0 and 2.0 were insane. Still doesn’t change anything that I said from being true. The LS swap reigns supreme because of price/performance and engine package dimensions. At this point, everyone knows the Coyote is a phenomenal engine. But the 4.6 and 5.4 are not ideal swap engines BECAUSE they’re so massive and heavier than an aluminum LS - making them harder to use in some vehicles. Not sure why this provoked a history lesson from you about Ford engines, because it wasn’t a personal attack on Ford engines at all. Just the fact that the LS swap (especially the junkyard truck engines) are still one of the best options to swap into your build.
The LS in Speed Demon went 400mph. That seems like a pretty impressive number to us. Also, no one hates Ford's here, there's simply no denying the LS's prevalence in the high-performance community.
I put that intake on my Gen 3 4.8 that has a big cam and 243 heads and it really helped the power band from 3500 and up quite a bit. Definitely noticeable.
From what I've seen the TBSS intake on the 4.8s gets you the best bang for buck, 50lb injectors, 90mm tb, and picks up power and tq everywhere. Get a cam preferably something street happy like something used here but using some factory heads like the 243s and enjoy yourself a reliable 400-450. Throw some long tubes on and get it dialed in and your laughing!
@@tyleroutingdyke849I got a 4.8 stock rn and I thought a tbss Intakr just need injectors and I got a whole cam kit and soon going to get 243s,long tubes and installed all at once,you think it would get to 400hp?
@Jose-fu8cv easy, but definitely needs a tune after all of that. Grab hptuners and 2 credits to buy the licensing for it and find a reliable ls tuner, you'll definitely see 400 if not more 🍻
A buddy of mine blew up his turbo'd 406 ci LSX, waiting for a new block they threw all the speed parts on a 4.8 sitting around. Made 1048 hp.....for a little while anyway.
@@redlight3932 I know you mentioned that as a dig, but the rebuilt LSX has 15 years at a 1000+ hp tune and daily driven and 4.8 was one of a dozen sitting around he bought for 200 bux. They got several weeks horsing around at 1000 hp on a 4.8 They were fully well aware it wast going to survive and it still lasted longer than anyone guessed.
I love videos like this❤ taking the smallest V8s and making them make impressive horsepower with basic modifications. I just recently watched a video of the same thing with a 305!😊
Have a 4.8 in a S10 with a small cam, hooker blackheart exhaust manifolds , true dual exhaust with a x pipe, stock intake manifold, and a stock tune. Makes 285 wheel 305 torque. So around 380-390 crank probably. After a tune maybe around 300 wheel.
As someone who wants to put a 4.8LS in my Grand Cherokee, I'm more concerned with off idle, and partial throttle torque. Which wasn't covered here. _BUT!_ . . . the bone stock engine had over 300lbs. of torque at only 3000rpm , 1:51 , which is perfect for my intended application. I won't be doing WOT runs, I just need more low end torque than my 4.0L six can make. It costs real money to get over 300lbs of torque out of the 4.0L. The 4.8LS does it right out of the junk yard, stock.
@@troywood7170 . . why would I put that kind of money into any engine when I can get the same performance out of a cheap junk yard V8? I've already been thru all of this and done the math. The 4.0L is a DUD of an engine. I get that some people are very defensive of that engine, and I'm fine with the criticism.
@@RANDOMNATION907 The love comes from the 90's when they added fuel injection to that motor. It made 190hp and 225 pound feet of torque which was really impressive back then. Inside a little CJ or YJ they were more than enough. That and they lasted FOREVER being an I6. However they were a lot less impressive in the Cherokee due to the weight difference especially in the Grand Cherokee, so I can see why you'd want the change. LS swap that thing and don't look back. The 4.8 or the 5.3 are amazing transplant motors and everything you need to to make it easy is right on TH-cam. I think if you grab the donor trucks ECU, wire harness, and fuse box that's about all you need. If you want more customization/control Holly makes amazing engine management units for those. In the end you'll make more HP per dollar than dumping money into the 4.0.
7:00 the PCV system is also connected to the intake pipe before the throttle plate, because when under heavy load there is no vacuum in the intake manifold and on turbo there is pressure, the air flow in the crankcase doesn't directly give you hp its a hp supporting modification for performance, it keeps the engine cool and helps prevent knock, air flow around the cylinder head and bottom of the pistons is important as that's the hottest engine component touching oil, circulating fresh cool air inside the crankcase is pretty obviously good
I LOVE my 4.8! I have a 2011 silverado with 247k and still runs strong. They don't have the dreaded afm either. I pull a little 20' camper and does pretty decent. I also have my HD but I prefer driving the 1500 any day. When it finally dies (as long as the block is intact) I'm going to put the e street heads, cam, and possibly intake. Great video. Glad someone else appreciates the 4GREAT. It's a 5.3 with a shorter stroke but with no afm or displacement on demand. Same heads, intake, external components. Crank and rods are the only difference as far as I know
GM cts-v lifters and a cam with a tighter lsa will go a long way towards making a LS breath at a higher rpm. These intake manifolds like velocity and having some kind of a horn on the throttle helps it breathe better as well.
I put the stage 2 cam low lift from TSP without a tune on my 5.3 L59 suburban without a tune it’s crazy how much power it made without a tune I don’t know the horsepower but It moves that heavy suburban down the road pretty dang good
Do your homework on your cam choice! Do not just go buy some cam someone recommends on TH-cam comments. The duration and LSA matter. Call a cam specific manufacturer such as Comp, Crane, Texas Speed, etc and tell them your combo, engine/trans/gear and what your wants are or expectations are for your build and they will direct you properly.
Excellent showing that the PFI/manifold is the best. It always is, but other dyno session videos clearly deliberately skip it completely, or set-up the carb with a ton of other power adders.
Awesome stuff! The biggest difference is no accessories though, plus the headers, it’s going to make more than an SAE test which basically is going to tell you what it will make worst case scenario.
Perfect engine for a G-Body. You can daily Drive the shit out of it and then take it to the racetrack and dial in the chassis and have some G-Body shuffling fun!
now can you do the same thing with the 5.3L ? I would love to see the comparison 4.8 vs 5.3 since those are the 2 most popular available LS engines at the scrap yard.
@@chriscovington11 ouu i probably missed that. Just saw his k24 turbo video. Im gunna def check it out. But any LS will make tons of power if you boost them
4.8 is easier to go for simply cause it never came with the dod and afm garbage I'll take a 4.8 over a 5.3 most days only difference is stroke throw a 5.3 crank in it and watch it
The thing is the LS7 is rated 505hp with full accessories, cats, air box, etc. manufacturers test the engines how the engine sits in the car! Many of magazine/youtube engine dyno’s DO NOT give accurate results because they test in gross and not net like the manufacturers do.
For most racers the traditional 300 RPM per-second-sweep on a water brake dyno is more than sufficient to determine how a component (such as induction or camshaft) affects the power and torque curves. Net or gross doesn't really matter when your goal is to validate if a new part is beneficial for an engine combination. OEM dynos are a whole different animal. They hold the engine at different RPM points for a painfully long duration. The final numbers are actually an average of the engines output during a measured time span across those ranges. Things like catalyst protect, which richness the air/fuel mixture to lower exhaust temperatures at WOT, and other tuning parameters, such as a reduction ignition timing as the engine coolant temperature rises, will actually lower the measured output during an SAE dyno pull, so the final numbers are more like average peak and not true maximum power. That's why we often see stock vehicles make more power than they are rated at on aftermarket dynos. For racing and street performance, we're not looking to produce a product brochure with guaranteed output to go with a new vehicle, but more to find the delta in performance increase between multiple component or tuning variables. Hope that helps explain why we dyno in this fashion.
I really only have interest in carb stuff for low budget builds. It's cheaper to land a carb than it is a full fuel injection system, but this is proof that carbs work but aren't the best.
I've done more than a few swaps with carbs on street rides. I use Ebay dual plane manifolds and any leftover carb I might have around. Q Jets, a Holley Truck Avenger and a few Edelbrock AFB's have found their way onto my engines and they all performed great, gave fantastic mileage and were simple to install and easy to work on, great for anything except an all out racer.
430k on my STOCK 2000 motor in my 4x4 silverado, only done it vc/intake/valley pan/ exh man. gaskets, and valve seals, runs excellent. Cut off the cats(stock muffler tho), and simply unplugged the egr(cause mud in the intake).The 4l60 is also stock, but i tuned out the torque converter till after 60mi/hr, cause slippy and it chatters when it locks at low rpms. Was thinking 5.3, but this thing is just fine.
@@crazeguy26 its all good, engine light is permanently disabled. And the valve is physically there in case the smog nazis wanna see whats under the hood of my quiet stock truck. Still have the original muffler on it, its like 4 feet long LOL
A good 4.8 (sonic checked, of course) block can be bored to 3.905". Has anyone used domed LS1 pistons with the stock 4.8 rods and crank in one? 312 cubes with some compression and the stock 3.27" stroke? I'll bet it would be a screamer!
I snagged a 4.8 for 600 at the local junkyard as well as an AR5 from an 08 Colorado, mated the two with a fab bot adapter kit and stuffed it in to a 92 Nissan hard body single can short box. It would spin 2nd 3rd and sometimes 4th.... Was pretty awesome.
Love sto see shop vacs used the can also suck in fuel vapor and don't forget the electric motor windings arcing . When you blow the lid off the vacuum you'll understand. Don't ask how I know.
That would be a pretty rowdy motor. Driveability would be a little rough. The reason why you don’t see more 4.8 builds like this is because of all the other LS motors exist. Those same parts on a 5.3 would have made 500
Great video. The LS7 was rated at 505 SAE horsepower, that’s all accessories and full exhaust. It would probably put down 560 or 575 on an engine dyno. I’m just sayin’.
I have an 07" GMC Sierra 1500 extended cab truck with the same stock 4.8 Ltr with the factory 243 heads when I got it 3 years ago..for a small 293 CID engine and heavy truck it runs damn good with just 105.000 miles on it..the factory Haines manual lists it at 295 HP at I believe 4800 rpm..so I like this tests..
I’ve been doing this for years now as the junkyard would give me 4.8l for free! The best cam is the BTR stage 2 with a single turbski. Roll out the sock pistons and rods for forged and keep the stock crank you’ll be able to make 700whp all day long reliably, with better fuel you can make more but here we got sh!t pump gas but my Volvo has the same 4.8 I started with stone reliable.
Try the vacuum on the dipstick tube. I wonder if it just held the oil at the top of the motor creating vacuum inside the valve covers rather than the pan
I take every 4.8 LS I can lay my hands on and most time they are close to free, the most expensive one I traded for was a low mileage 2009. It cost me a used MSD 6a box. Sure I've done 5.3's and 6.0L's but most people are looking for a modern, reliable engine for their ride and even a stock 4.8 will make 325hp with a cold air kit , no cats and a dual exhaust. Even the SBC is becoming scarce and expensive and I've swapped 4.8's into a half dozen cars. One was my son's '86 Mustang LX, I used a stock 4.8 with the WC T5, I added a dual plane intake and a Q Jet and it's one strong running Fox Body. My neighbor had a '52 Chevy Deluxe with a worn out 350 in it. I slipped a junkyard 4.8 into it and used the T350 that was in the car. I ran it off the stock FI and a Flashed PCM. Because it was a heavy car I added a BTR Stage 2 cam, a new oil pump and a set of rocker bushings. He paid the cost of a dyno pull and tune, 372hp and 348 ft/lb. The whole cost of the swap including the engine was just over a grand and his biggest complaint was that now he had to do a disk brake conversion to get the ride stopped. 4.8's IMHO will out run a well built 350 without a problem, get better mileage and run longer and be more trouble free than than any SBC today. Now to just find a L33 5.3L for that old Mazda Miata behind the garage.
The Votec intake was derived from the intake of the 3.8 (3800) series V6 supercharged engine. The cathedral runners mimic the flow of air produced by a supercharger, thus the more vacuum the more air swirls making for better atomization of fuel and increased horsepower.
That 4.8 making close to an LS7. But with $4000 of extra parts! While the LS7 is 500hp from the factory. But still impressive gor the 4.8L NA. Now add another $1500 and throw 20psinat it!
Ok next question what is the lightest cheapest vehicles that this engine and a 6 speed auto at the bell housing or transaxle could be used to make a old man retired on fixed income afford? I mean 200,000 miles and he didn't even go rings and bearings but you did push rods and lifters?? I saw the dyno hitting 7,200 rpm. We don't do that on the street. You know you need some torque to get to the HP curve. I wondered if the Holley High rise does any thing about the Plastic lowrise??? Great video, need a vehicle list 2,500 pounds 50/50 weight, seats two fine. S10, Corvette, Blazer, Jeep, Camaro, ????? Dennis in Virginia
I drove a 2000 silverado with the 4.8 and even when the rest of the truck literally fell apart at 300k miles, that engine and transmission was still going strong.
4.8 is PERFECT for daily driving. Thats the engine you choose for daily driving, fuel economy and comfort .. Put it in your hot rod though? Would be better to opt for 6.0LS or maybe even a hot 383 or BIG BLOCK..
What computer do you use to manage the fuel injection and spark? Is it a holley unit or did you wire in the computer from the donor car the engine came out of? Sorry im new to these engines and related hardware/software
Well I think you left out some key factors on the carb test? Such as A/F tuning. Such as timing curve mods. My guess? You guys would rather tune electronic FI.
We tuned the engine for every part that was changed. We dropped 8 jet sizes in the carb, verified the correct A/F ratio, added ignition timing, and it was still significantly down on power with a carb. Unfortunately we can't show every single thing in the video (especially when the part tested doesn't make power) but every possible chance to let the carb shine was taken.
The 4.8 is the best platform for high rpm because the stroke is shorter than that of the larger LS engines and slightly less bore. Ported heads, high rpm springs and lifters will get you over 8000rpm
How many mpg will the 4.8 REALISTICALLY claim over the bigger LS motors? I remember in the 90s, owners of 305 V8s wishing they got the 350 because the mpg was the same. Thanks
Those are very respectful number's. My cell does not do the engine idle justice. So...is it a choppy sound at idle with the fuel injection, and did you all have to retune the ignition?
4:20 is a great number - but it's also a time stamp for a dyno where you guys stopped revving at 7200RPM even though you were still building power and it doesn't look like there are obvious signs - at least from my comfy seat in front of a computer - of valve float; I know another one or five hundo rippums isn't a ton, but it might have been cool to see juuuuust how far it goes
We did run it out to 7,500 in multiple pulls (not shown). It didn't make the edit because the engine did not make power past 7,200. Eric Rhee is an excellent dyno operator.
Here are the parts tested. They are also listed in the video description. Edelbrock E-Street Cathedral Port Cylinder Heads: PN 77617 COMP Magnum Pushrods: PN 7162-16 Edelbrock VR-S Series 850CFM carburetor: PN 1308 Hydraulic Roller Lifters: PN 8957-16 COMP Camshaft: LSR 235/251 PN 54-478-11 COMP BSR Shaft Rockers: PN 1981-16 Edelbrock Victor Jr. Carbureted Intake: PN 2908 FAST LSXR Fuel Injected Intake: PN 146302B
So if the goal is to rebuild an LS the 4.8 which is cheaper and easier to find would be a better bang for buck build. Since its supposed to same block as the other LS’s but smaller stroke and bore… or am I wrong?
You got us there lol. A factory truck wouldn't have had headers, which is something Westech does on their dyno. The factory manifolds are pretty dang good though.
My 4.8 is in a 02 reg cab 4wd only 71,000 miles on the truck, i use it for truck stuff and simply don't do a lot of truck stuff, in 23 years of ownership it has had one alternator, one headlight, 3 batteries, and that's it.
That sounds like a great truck for getting things done!
You should tune it
It does help a lot with HP and MPG
Round of applause for that little 200k mile engine turning 7200rpm and not coughing up a rod...
Well done little guy...Well done indeed!! 😅
Go get'er 4.8!
I saw 7,500! What a champ!
@@mewrongwayKOCXFthe Chevy LS is extremely close to the architecture of a 351 Windsor Ford I hate to tell you.
@@mewrongwayKOCXF the Flathead Ford is nothing like the d-series GM V8 lol 😆 the ls was originally designed for Ford and was supposed to be used by Ford but Ford didn't want to use it so they went ahead with their plans to use their modular V8. All the information is there if you do the research. The ls nothing more than a modernized 351 Windsor. Also you're trying to say that GM is the one in the lead when Ford was making dual overhead cam V8s way before GM ever thought to. Hence V8 tank engines.. GM decided to stick with the pushrod V8 so yeah. You're telling me in LS V8 is more technologically advanced than a Coyote 5.0? Look I like all cars it doesn't matter to me but you just sit there and act like ford is just trying to copy GM is just silly dude. If you don't like Fords that's fine but don't sit there and make up stupid shit.
@@kskip4242technology doesn’t equal better
LOVED my 4.8 in my 2003 Silverado. It had good power and got consistent gas mileage. I miss it!
I consistently get shit gas mileage around 10 mpg, but my truck has a booty setup. Other than the mpg complaint the 4.8 is mechanical sound and stupid reliable.
@@robboss1839 Around 10 mpg? A classic 427 would do that and produce one hell of a load of stump pulling torque!
What happened to her?
I have a totally stock 4.8 in my Silverado. I love it because it’s still got some grunt and it also gets great gas mileage.
My dad’s 6.2 gets double the mpg of my 4.8
@@robboss1839 Surely there are major differences between the two trucks. My 5.3L has a ladder rack with ladders and it gets about 8 mpg.
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I see the GOAT Holdner in the background!
200K on the motor, overhaul it with new rings and pistons that bump up the compression ratio. This will add HP and a little bit of torque as well as help with the throttle response.
I agree 100% I'd buy a nice set of .030 over keth black or a good name brand piston with a anti frictional skirts chrome moly rings and cylinder hone for it and a set of gen 4 rods that are rod checked for roundness and a set of load/heat resistant bearings any high preformance bearing. Idk my thoughts. And get a set of 10.5 to 1 compression pistons with big valve reliefs like 80 thou or more and run it on 91 octane with that same combo of the heads and manifold and headers and tune I'd bet it pick up a decent more power. Idk I'm a educated enthusiast at joliet junior college automotive who works on cars and I love engines, transmissions and rear ends. Great video guys please keep dynoing engines
Why does every other person write the phase ( as well as ? ) Just write well as..... I'm guilty, I'm so guilty as well as others
Lol you havent done many ls's have you
So will a 200 shot of nitrous. 😂😂😂
Edit. Good suggestion, but a 200 shot of nitrous "as well as" a proper tune will do the same. 😂😂
Not for nothing but a well taken care of LS with mid to low mileage will eat 200 HP worth of Spray all day long
Obviously a few more mods should be added but you can get a forth gen f-body into the nines without even doing head work, intake, cam a good stall with a built trans and make sure you get your suspension and chassis all hooked up
But yeah LSs love big cams and big spray
I mean.... that's 100 hp / L out of a pushrod 2V engine. That used to be exclusive domain for DOHC 4V systems, so pretty awesome overall. That RPM range is badass, 7200 RPM!
Since DOHC engines are currently making 125+ HP/L yeah I guess that's to be expected
@@adamdodsy84GM is sticking with pushrod V8s. The Corvette might be getting them, but Corvettes had DOHC 30+ years ago as well
They didn't rev the engine enough. Power still climbing
@@Mastermindyoung14yes, you mean that Lotus/MercuryMarine engine put in the mid90’s ZR1 corvette? That engine was a absolute dawg and nothing to write home about
@@adamdodsy84 so the new pushrod engine they're developing is fake news?
I had a 4.8 in my old work van. That is a tough little motor.
I loved it. It was used, abused, and never got regular oil changes.
I delivered medical supplies, and (mostly) oxygen tanks. When loaded down in my 2500 express, the suspension and brakes complained a lot more than the motor.
Sometimes i would drive more than 2500 miles a week, and she never let me down.
I had a dead battery once, but nothing engine related.
And, for a big van, that thing had plenty of acceleration. If i was empty, that thing would move.
A 4.8 would be great in an 80s F-Body. Without even doing any big modifications it would be a big improvement over the old 5.0, or even the 5.7 in stock form.
Nearly double the horsepower to the ground if you pair it with a manual transmission.
also a 4.8 has a stronger shortblock compared to a sbc
Oh it is lovely, my Camaro is so much more fun after the swap
@@teabag402 did you do a 4.8? I have a 91 Camaro with a 305 TBI and I’m dying to do a swap.
@@smykster007 I did a 5.3 first and then got a great deal on a 6.0 so I swapped them and will use the 5.3 for my 1946 Chevy truck I'm building. On the Camaro I did all new steering, suspension, brakes etc at the same time. It's like a totally different car. You won't regret it
474 out of a junkyard suburban engine with 200k on it is very respectable
The whole point of the 4.8 is high RPM & boost. Put a little cam in it and a cheap turbo and let it eat. No issues making 600 whp all day long on them even with high miles.
The reign of the LS1 has lived on because it’s just such an economical package for both price/performance and package dimensions. Would love to see a tear down and refresh for a boost build.
Reign of the LS?
Which one has gone 5.88 @ 256mph with an almost entirely oe parts engine? None. John Mihovetz has taken the 4.6 4V to that level.
Which LS has gone 300.4mph in the standing mile? Zero.
A prepped 5.4L Ford GT has.
Which LS has won overall Sick Week, Tx2k24, Import vs Domestic with a sleeved oe cast block and heads and oe crank breaking every Drag and drive radial record ever? None. Brett Lasalas Coyote has.
The LS has "reigned" on cheap easy builds... but not ultimate performance with oe cast engines.
Last note. The one year 4V engined were allowed in the Engine Masters Challenge in 2013, the 4V Fords took a clean sweep on the podium and crying from the GM camp forced a rule change and the 4V aren't allowed now against the pushrod engines.
All those extra cubes don't make up for inferior flowing heads. Fact
@@chadkent1241 that’s great. Brett’s Snot Rocket 1.0 and 2.0 were insane. Still doesn’t change anything that I said from being true. The LS swap reigns supreme because of price/performance and engine package dimensions. At this point, everyone knows the Coyote is a phenomenal engine. But the 4.6 and 5.4 are not ideal swap engines BECAUSE they’re so massive and heavier than an aluminum LS - making them harder to use in some vehicles. Not sure why this provoked a history lesson from you about Ford engines, because it wasn’t a personal attack on Ford engines at all. Just the fact that the LS swap (especially the junkyard truck engines) are still one of the best options to swap into your build.
The LS in Speed Demon went 400mph. That seems like a pretty impressive number to us. Also, no one hates Ford's here, there's simply no denying the LS's prevalence in the high-performance community.
@@chadkent1241 shouldnt yours be just as fast if that shit was true
@@chadkent1241 can't get a modular motor for a couple hundo..
The stock intake manifold you started with is one of the best LS intakes you can get.
No doubt there! It was a runner for sure. Not as good as the LSXR though.
I put that intake on my Gen 3 4.8 that has a big cam and 243 heads and it really helped the power band from 3500 and up quite a bit. Definitely noticeable.
From what I've seen the TBSS intake on the 4.8s gets you the best bang for buck, 50lb injectors, 90mm tb, and picks up power and tq everywhere. Get a cam preferably something street happy like something used here but using some factory heads like the 243s and enjoy yourself a reliable 400-450. Throw some long tubes on and get it dialed in and your laughing!
@@tyleroutingdyke849I got a 4.8 stock rn and I thought a tbss Intakr just need injectors and I got a whole cam kit and soon going to get 243s,long tubes and installed all at once,you think it would get to 400hp?
@Jose-fu8cv easy, but definitely needs a tune after all of that. Grab hptuners and 2 credits to buy the licensing for it and find a reliable ls tuner, you'll definitely see 400 if not more 🍻
A buddy of mine blew up his turbo'd 406 ci LSX, waiting for a new block they threw all the speed parts on a 4.8 sitting around. Made 1048 hp.....for a little while anyway.
theres one common factor at play here
@@redlight3932 I know you mentioned that as a dig, but the rebuilt LSX has 15 years at a 1000+ hp tune and daily driven and 4.8 was one of a dozen sitting around he bought for 200 bux. They got several weeks horsing around at 1000 hp on a 4.8 They were fully well aware it wast going to survive and it still lasted longer than anyone guessed.
I love videos like this❤ taking the smallest V8s and making them make impressive horsepower with basic modifications.
I just recently watched a video of the same thing with a 305!😊
Have a 4.8 in a S10 with a small cam, hooker blackheart exhaust manifolds , true dual exhaust with a x pipe, stock intake manifold, and a stock tune. Makes 285 wheel 305 torque. So around 380-390 crank probably.
After a tune maybe around 300 wheel.
That's awesome! I bet that truck is a riot!
@@hemmingsmotornews it’s pretty sporty when you want it to be
As someone who wants to put a 4.8LS in my Grand Cherokee, I'm more concerned with off idle, and partial throttle torque. Which wasn't covered here. _BUT!_ . . . the bone stock engine had over 300lbs. of torque at only 3000rpm , 1:51 , which is perfect for my intended application. I won't be doing WOT runs, I just need more low end torque than my 4.0L six can make. It costs real money to get over 300lbs of torque out of the 4.0L. The 4.8LS does it right out of the junk yard, stock.
The straight 6 is more a torque monster then you think. Check out Clifford performance.
@@troywood7170 . . why would I put that kind of money into any engine when I can get the same performance out of a cheap junk yard V8? I've already been thru all of this and done the math. The 4.0L is a DUD of an engine. I get that some people are very defensive of that engine, and I'm fine with the criticism.
@@RANDOMNATION907 The love comes from the 90's when they added fuel injection to that motor. It made 190hp and 225 pound feet of torque which was really impressive back then. Inside a little CJ or YJ they were more than enough. That and they lasted FOREVER being an I6. However they were a lot less impressive in the Cherokee due to the weight difference especially in the Grand Cherokee, so I can see why you'd want the change. LS swap that thing and don't look back. The 4.8 or the 5.3 are amazing transplant motors and everything you need to to make it easy is right on TH-cam. I think if you grab the donor trucks ECU, wire harness, and fuse box that's about all you need. If you want more customization/control Holly makes amazing engine management units for those. In the end you'll make more HP per dollar than dumping money into the 4.0.
@RANDOMNATION907 I can see that in a Cherokee a six may not be enough, i had a 4.2 in a cj and it was a beast. Had
@RANDOMNATION907 had low end like a tractor. In a Cherokee I can see a v8
Baseline horsepower is about 20hp up on a dozen of Mr Holdener's stock 4.8 dyno baselines
Arent all those baselines the same? I'm sure Richard uses the same baseline for all his 4.8's
And Holdener usually tests Gen III engines, This is a Gen IV.
@@bluecollarhotrods9781 That's correct this is a Gen IV. WAAAAAAAY better manifold than a Gen III so we had a bit of a head start.
7:00 the PCV system is also connected to the intake pipe before the throttle plate, because when under heavy load there is no vacuum in the intake manifold and on turbo there is pressure, the air flow in the crankcase doesn't directly give you hp its a hp supporting modification for performance, it keeps the engine cool and helps prevent knock, air flow around the cylinder head and bottom of the pistons is important as that's the hottest engine component touching oil, circulating fresh cool air inside the crankcase is pretty obviously good
I LOVE my 4.8! I have a 2011 silverado with 247k and still runs strong. They don't have the dreaded afm either. I pull a little 20' camper and does pretty decent. I also have my HD but I prefer driving the 1500 any day. When it finally dies (as long as the block is intact) I'm going to put the e street heads, cam, and possibly intake. Great video. Glad someone else appreciates the 4GREAT. It's a 5.3 with a shorter stroke but with no afm or displacement on demand. Same heads, intake, external components. Crank and rods are the only difference as far as I know
They are great engines! Glad you liked the video and are enjoying yours.
Are you still on the orginal transmission?
GM cts-v lifters and a cam with a tighter lsa will go a long way towards making a LS breath at a higher rpm. These intake manifolds like velocity and having some kind of a horn on the throttle helps it breathe better as well.
This gives the 4.8 in my van some hope. One of these days I'll slap some speed parts on it.
Sounds like you have a plan!
Go with a Truck Norris, Chopacobra, or Summit 5/4 Nasty cams. They offer great power but huge gains from 2k-4k vs any stage-2 sized cam.
I put the stage 2 cam low lift from TSP without a tune on my 5.3 L59 suburban without a tune it’s crazy how much power it made without a tune I don’t know the horsepower but It moves that heavy suburban down the road pretty dang good
Do your homework on your cam choice! Do not just go buy some cam someone recommends on TH-cam comments. The duration and LSA matter. Call a cam specific manufacturer such as Comp, Crane, Texas Speed, etc and tell them your combo, engine/trans/gear and what your wants are or expectations are for your build and they will direct you properly.
@@JustAGuy781 yes Texas speed is a good choice I love my cam
100hp/liter out of a 4.8 is pretty incredible!
Excellent showing that the PFI/manifold is the best.
It always is, but other dyno session videos clearly deliberately skip it completely, or set-up the carb with a ton of other power adders.
Power increase is impressive but spinning a 200K mile engine to 7500 RPM and it lives?! WOW!
No kidding! Well-engineered hypereutectic piston, small bore, and short stroke all working in perfect harmony.
Guess you havent seen the countless turbo 4.8s making 1000 hp plus
That was one sweet factory exhaust
Awesome stuff! The biggest difference is no accessories though, plus the headers, it’s going to make more than an SAE test which basically is going to tell you what it will make worst case scenario.
Yes. Absolutely. Aftermarket dynos will always read higher so what we are chasing is the performance Delta from the new parts. It was over 100hp!
I'd like to see how much the headers add over stock manifolds
Good question! The manifolds are pretty dang good but I’m curious as well.
I Literally Screamed NOOOOOOOO, when you put that Carbur-Tator on that LS HAHAHAHAHA! @Hemmings
You would be surprised just how good they run, there had to be something waaay wrong with that run.
My mild carb'd 4.8 with factory LS6 cam would spin to 7800rpm. It wasn't a powerhouse, but sure was fun to use in my C10 with a faceplated TKO II
Sounds like a fun combination, what kind of power did you make?
350 hp out of the stock 4.8. That’s pretty damn good considering the stock 5.7 LS1 makes that. Nice video 👍🏼
This motor has no accessories or air filter...makes a big difference.
@ that is true. Absolutely no restrictions
@@alphasaiyan5760 AND the dyno headers outflowing stock manifolds.
355 stock is impressive for single over head cam push rod that small.
Over head valve brother
4.8 rev really good 👍
Perfect engine for a G-Body. You can daily Drive the shit out of it and then take it to the racetrack and dial in the chassis and have some G-Body shuffling fun!
WOW!!!! THAT IS PERFECT FOR THE EDSEL.
Back in the 70s, Modified Production class cars ran 288ci, 292 cube SBCs making 550-600+hp NA turning 9500-10,000 rpm. 2-bolt 283 blocks.
now can you do the same thing with the 5.3L ? I would love to see the comparison 4.8 vs 5.3 since those are the 2 most popular available LS engines at the scrap yard.
The 4.8 loves boost
I'm pretty sure Richard holdner has a video of that on his page.
@@chriscovington11 ouu i probably missed that. Just saw his k24 turbo video. Im gunna def check it out. But any LS will make tons of power if you boost them
@@reyperez3424 all LS loves boost
4.8 is easier to go for simply cause it never came with the dod and afm garbage I'll take a 4.8 over a 5.3 most days only difference is stroke throw a 5.3 crank in it and watch it
Looking good Evan buddy!!
Awesome job!
The thing is the LS7 is rated 505hp with full accessories, cats, air box, etc. manufacturers test the engines how the engine sits in the car! Many of magazine/youtube engine dyno’s DO NOT give accurate results because they test in gross and not net like the manufacturers do.
For most racers the traditional 300 RPM per-second-sweep on a water brake dyno is more than sufficient to determine how a component (such as induction or camshaft) affects the power and torque curves. Net or gross doesn't really matter when your goal is to validate if a new part is beneficial for an engine combination.
OEM dynos are a whole different animal. They hold the engine at different RPM points for a painfully long duration. The final numbers are actually an average of the engines output during a measured time span across those ranges. Things like catalyst protect, which richness the air/fuel mixture to lower exhaust temperatures at WOT, and other tuning parameters, such as a reduction ignition timing as the engine coolant temperature rises, will actually lower the measured output during an SAE dyno pull, so the final numbers are more like average peak and not true maximum power. That's why we often see stock vehicles make more power than they are rated at on aftermarket dynos.
For racing and street performance, we're not looking to produce a product brochure with guaranteed output to go with a new vehicle, but more to find the delta in performance increase between multiple component or tuning variables. Hope that helps explain why we dyno in this fashion.
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I really only have interest in carb stuff for low budget builds. It's cheaper to land a carb than it is a full fuel injection system, but this is proof that carbs work but aren't the best.
I've done more than a few swaps with carbs on street rides. I use Ebay dual plane manifolds and any leftover carb I might have around. Q Jets, a Holley Truck Avenger and a few Edelbrock AFB's have found their way onto my engines and they all performed great, gave fantastic mileage and were simple to install and easy to work on, great for anything except an all out racer.
Love the video concept.
Dad had a 2000 regular cab sierra with the 4.8 drove it for 17 years. The truck rusted into pieces but that engine ran like a top
Great test, thanks!!!
430k on my STOCK 2000 motor in my 4x4 silverado, only done it vc/intake/valley pan/ exh man. gaskets, and valve seals, runs excellent. Cut off the cats(stock muffler tho), and simply unplugged the egr(cause mud in the intake).The 4l60 is also stock, but i tuned out the torque converter till after 60mi/hr, cause slippy and it chatters when it locks at low rpms. Was thinking 5.3, but this thing is just fine.
you can swap a newer PCM in there that don't have have the EGR system program into it.
@@crazeguy26 its all good, engine light is permanently disabled. And the valve is physically there in case the smog nazis wanna see whats under the hood of my quiet stock truck. Still have the original muffler on it, its like 4 feet long LOL
A good 4.8 (sonic checked, of course) block can be bored to 3.905". Has anyone used domed LS1 pistons with the stock 4.8 rods and crank in one? 312 cubes with some compression and the stock 3.27" stroke? I'll bet it would be a screamer!
I snagged a 4.8 for 600 at the local junkyard as well as an AR5 from an 08 Colorado, mated the two with a fab bot adapter kit and stuffed it in to a 92 Nissan hard body single can short box. It would spin 2nd 3rd and sometimes 4th.... Was pretty awesome.
Sounds like a fun project! How long have you had it?!
That's interesting - great video!
Figure probably on hub dyno 300. To the wheels ,would be fun in any around 3k curb
Love sto see shop vacs used the can also suck in fuel vapor and don't forget the electric motor windings arcing .
When you blow the lid off the vacuum you'll understand.
Don't ask how I know.
That would be a pretty rowdy motor. Driveability would be a little rough. The reason why you don’t see more 4.8 builds like this is because of all the other LS motors exist. Those same parts on a 5.3 would have made 500
I LOVE that holdener was there
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Did you mess with ignition timing and injector size? 4.8 may be the smoothest running LS
We tuned ignition timing and fuel mixture for each stage of the test. It really is a great, little engine!
not bad for a junkyard stock bottom. Get some compression in it and it would be a little beast !
Great video. The LS7 was rated at 505 SAE horsepower, that’s all accessories and full exhaust. It would probably put down 560 or 575 on an engine dyno. I’m just sayin’.
That's fair!
I have an 07" GMC Sierra 1500 extended cab truck with the same stock 4.8 Ltr with the factory 243 heads when I got it 3 years ago..for a small 293 CID engine and heavy truck it runs damn good with just 105.000 miles on it..the factory Haines manual lists it at 295 HP at I believe 4800 rpm..so I like this tests..
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I’ve been doing this for years now as the junkyard would give me 4.8l for free! The best cam is the BTR stage 2 with a single turbski. Roll out the sock pistons and rods for forged and keep the stock crank you’ll be able to make 700whp all day long reliably, with better fuel you can make more but here we got sh!t pump gas but my Volvo has the same 4.8 I started with stone reliable.
I need help on how to make 400hp on a 4.8 bone stock ,I heard of the btr stage 2 being good any suggestions on how to get that goal,still new to this
That 7K rpm would be fun with a 6-speed manual behind it.
That would be a fun build!
4.8s love boost!
They sure do!
Try the vacuum on the dipstick tube. I wonder if it just held the oil at the top of the motor creating vacuum inside the valve covers rather than the pan
I take every 4.8 LS I can lay my hands on and most time they are close to free, the most expensive one I traded for was a low mileage 2009. It cost me a used MSD 6a box. Sure I've done 5.3's and 6.0L's but most people are looking for a modern, reliable engine for their ride and even a stock 4.8 will make 325hp with a cold air kit , no cats and a dual exhaust. Even the SBC is becoming scarce and expensive and I've swapped 4.8's into a half dozen cars. One was my son's '86 Mustang LX, I used a stock 4.8 with the WC T5, I added a dual plane intake and a Q Jet and it's one strong running Fox Body. My neighbor had a '52 Chevy Deluxe with a worn out 350 in it. I slipped a junkyard 4.8 into it and used the T350 that was in the car. I ran it off the stock FI and a Flashed PCM. Because it was a heavy car I added a BTR Stage 2 cam, a new oil pump and a set of rocker bushings. He paid the cost of a dyno pull and tune, 372hp and 348 ft/lb. The whole cost of the swap including the engine was just over a grand and his biggest complaint was that now he had to do a disk brake conversion to get the ride stopped. 4.8's IMHO will out run a well built 350 without a problem, get better mileage and run longer and be more trouble free than than any SBC today. Now to just find a L33 5.3L for that old Mazda Miata behind the garage.
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge!
I love when people say things like "More power everywhere" after starting the dyno run 2/3 the way to redline.😮
LS1 is the best bang for buck my 2cents or cast iron 6.0. With those two you would have cleared 500HP no problem
Perfect for a manual transmission screamer.
The Votec intake was derived from the intake of the 3.8 (3800) series V6 supercharged engine. The cathedral runners mimic the flow of air produced by a supercharger, thus the more vacuum the more air swirls making for better atomization of fuel and increased horsepower.
Thanks for sharing that information!
This was the engine i was going to use to v8 swap my s10.
It's a solid choice, what kind of power are you aiming for?
That 4.8 making close to an LS7. But with $4000 of extra parts! While the LS7 is 500hp from the factory. But still impressive gor the 4.8L NA. Now add another $1500 and throw 20psinat it!
Do I have to worry about valve to piston clearance with a cam like this on my 4.8?
This engine would be a great option for a S-10 street buggy of death ☠️
This mini motor was in my 2003 Tahoe
Ok next question what is the lightest cheapest vehicles that this engine and a 6 speed auto at the bell housing or transaxle could be used to make a old man retired on fixed income afford? I mean 200,000 miles and he didn't even go rings and bearings but you did push rods and lifters?? I saw the dyno hitting 7,200 rpm. We don't do that on the street. You know you need some torque to get to the HP curve. I wondered if the Holley High rise does any thing about the Plastic lowrise??? Great video, need a vehicle list 2,500 pounds 50/50 weight, seats two fine. S10, Corvette, Blazer, Jeep, Camaro, ????? Dennis in Virginia
I drove a 2000 silverado with the 4.8 and even when the rest of the truck literally fell apart at 300k miles, that engine and transmission was still going strong.
Sounds like you had a tough but reliable truck! What did you replace it with?
Needed more RPM with that cam. It was still climbing! The stock 4.8 bottom end will safely do 8k. I'm surprised Richard didn't mention that.
We did several pulls to 7,500 and the power was falling off. If it had made power up there, we'd have sent it!!
Think of the 327 of the 3rd gen small blocks. It can spin, and produce better torque along the way.
Shop vac, love it!
4.8 would fit real nice in a xj or tj jeep.
any way for little coin to make lm7 little closer to an l92?
Now subtract 50 for the full accessories and 35 for the tb and headers on your base number
New bottom end, deck the block and you will pick up a bunch of HP. Throw boost at it and who knows.
With a small bump in compression like 11.5:1 would have more than likely put you over 500 hp. 1 full point of compression= 4% gain
4.8 is PERFECT for daily driving. Thats the engine you choose for daily driving, fuel economy and comfort .. Put it in your hot rod though? Would be better to opt for 6.0LS or maybe even a hot 383 or BIG BLOCK..
That dip up top was from the Hydraulic lifters. If you push it over 7k just use a solid roller lifters you'll be happier I promise.
We also saw some fluctuation in lifter performance from thinner oil so I think you're correct.
Maybe I missed it, how much were all the parts?
What computer do you use to manage the fuel injection and spark? Is it a holley unit or did you wire in the computer from the donor car the engine came out of? Sorry im new to these engines and related hardware/software
This was run on a Holley Dominator.
Well I think you left out some key factors on the carb test? Such as A/F tuning. Such as timing curve mods. My guess? You guys would rather tune electronic FI.
We tuned the engine for every part that was changed. We dropped 8 jet sizes in the carb, verified the correct A/F ratio, added ignition timing, and it was still significantly down on power with a carb. Unfortunately we can't show every single thing in the video (especially when the part tested doesn't make power) but every possible chance to let the carb shine was taken.
12 to 1 pistons would help
The 4.8 is the best platform for high rpm because the stroke is shorter than that of the larger LS engines and slightly less bore. Ported heads, high rpm springs and lifters will get you over 8000rpm
How many mpg will the 4.8 REALISTICALLY claim over the bigger LS motors? I remember in the 90s, owners of 305 V8s wishing they got the 350 because the mpg was the same. Thanks
Well whatever mileage benefits it had I think we've ruined by now!
What about the L99? 4.3L, LS based, V8
Those are very respectful number's.
My cell does not do the engine idle justice. So...is it a choppy sound at idle with the fuel injection, and did you all have to retune the ignition?
Oh it's very choppy. We tuned the ignition and fuel for each component we changed.
@@hemmingsmotornews
Very nice.
4:20 is a great number - but it's also a time stamp for a dyno where you guys stopped revving at 7200RPM even though you were still building power and it doesn't look like there are obvious signs - at least from my comfy seat in front of a computer - of valve float; I know another one or five hundo rippums isn't a ton, but it might have been cool to see juuuuust how far it goes
We did run it out to 7,500 in multiple pulls (not shown). It didn't make the edit because the engine did not make power past 7,200. Eric Rhee is an excellent dyno operator.
Needs the high ram slapped on it think u woulda hit ur 500 mark up to at the cost of some power down lower
can you provide a parts list?
Here are the parts tested. They are also listed in the video description.
Edelbrock E-Street Cathedral Port Cylinder Heads: PN 77617
COMP Magnum Pushrods: PN 7162-16
Edelbrock VR-S Series 850CFM carburetor: PN 1308
Hydraulic Roller Lifters: PN 8957-16
COMP Camshaft: LSR 235/251 PN 54-478-11
COMP BSR Shaft Rockers: PN 1981-16
Edelbrock Victor Jr. Carbureted Intake: PN 2908
FAST LSXR Fuel Injected Intake: PN 146302B
4 point GREAT
Well done however the air filter and alternator will sap some power when fitted.
I need this for my mazda b2500
So if the goal is to rebuild an LS the 4.8 which is cheaper and easier to find would be a better bang for buck build. Since its supposed to same block as the other LS’s but smaller stroke and bore… or am I wrong?
It is the same block and bore as a 5.3. So yes, it's a great starting platform for a lot of folks.
Just saying, long tube headers aren't stock on a Silverado but I guess you could just subtract a few HP
You got us there lol. A factory truck wouldn't have had headers, which is something Westech does on their dyno. The factory manifolds are pretty dang good though.