You could have mentioned the fact that Ashkenazi and Sephardim also come from the same ancestral lines as the Mizrahim. We're Judean first, and should not be defined by where we were forced to form our shtetls.
Calling an Apartheid a necessity doesnt makes It less than a Apartheid, And ignoring the settlements problems with internacional law And how the campaign for them was made in israel makes me question the intention of this video
This is pure propaganda. Not even trying to show two sides. It glosses over the fact Israel has the worlds 4th largest army and has nukes...yet they fear for their protection? Hmmm. Call it what it is. Colonialism. It’s a big mess on both sides and neither side is particularly good. As a US citizen I don’t want my tax money funding any sort of oppression. That should be my right as a tax payer. We got plenty of our own stuff to deal with.
@@1060Pearl to say israel doesn't have to be afraid is nonsense . When you have terrorist blowing up buses and places or trying to stab people , i bet you will be afraid . When hamas is shooting rockets into your country , sending fire kites or bomb balloons, will you be okay with that? Yes israel is strong but it's because we are afraid for our own safety. By the way i am an israeli . Ps. About your tax money , you are right . If you don't want that money to go to other countries that's totally acceptable .
This video makes it out as though Israel's presence in the West Bank is simply for security reasons . . . what about the settlements?? Obviously the situation is nowhere near as bad as in South Africa, but it seems pretty clear that in the West Bank (and East Jerusalem), your ethnicity determines what rights you have. Israel-with the strongest military in the region and the US by its side-has effective security control of the entire area between the Mediterranean and the Jordan. Within this territory, all Jews have the right to vote, move freely, etc., while most Arabs do not. "Apartheid" is a legal term and does not only apply to South Africa.
Yes. It's especially obvious if you look at the fact that Palestinians have to constantly go through checkpoints just to move around within the West Bank. The Palestinian areas in the West Bank are essentially Bantustans. If Israel doesn't want to be an Apartheid state then they have to grant citizenship and voting rights to all Palestinians in the West Bank, but they won't do that because then there wouldn't be a Jewish majority.
Read up on what happened to land ownership and occupancy in Judea and Samaria. Under Jordanian control, Jews were forced out of their generational homes. While they still owned their property, they couldn't live there and had to rent their property (that's what the fuss was a couple of years ago - nonpayment of rent). Jews purchased land and became the owners. If Muslims can live in Israel, Jews should be able to live in the territories.
@@drdonna4915 I guess ideally everyone could live everywhere. The issue is that Jews have the right to vote for the government that occupies and controls the West Bank (Israel), and Palestinians lack this right due to their ethnicity. And it’s not like the settlers are peaceful cohabitants. The Jordanians’ injustice doesn’t justify the Israeli occupation.
The only state/country that has any claim to the West Bank is Israel under International Law. The law of *Uti Possidetis Juris* is the way new states are created. There has Never been a Palestinian State or country in all of History. The Jewish state was approved by Unanimous vote of the League of Nations in 1922 when the Mandate of Palestine was created to *_"reconstitute the Jewish homeland in the Area of Palestine"_*
They're really bad with their research they screwed up on that and by claiming that Arab attacks on you started in 1920 when there were multiple massacres in the 1800s in places like Hebron
@@johns22 1773 or 1775 blood libel dozens of jews killed The 1834 Hebron massacre occurred in early August 1834 12-40 jews killed (depends on sources) theres an other smaller one that happened before 1929 one cant find happened somewere between around 1800s further in 1700-1800 multiple recorded murders in Hebron of jews also further .
@@nonebusiness2023 "The 1834 Hebron massacre occurred in early August 1834 12-40 jews killed (depends on sources) " Who was the aggressor? Was it the Palestinians? Who were the main target of aggression? Were they the Jews? Who suffered the overwhelming share of the casualties? Were they the Jews? While we are still on the topic, who were the majority inhabitants of Hebron by far at that time? Were they the Jews? What was the origin of the Jews of Hebron in the 18th century? Were they descendants of the ancient Jews who never left Hebron?
@Mujtaba Gillani Every single islamic country as per their sharial law non muslim minorities are considered second class citisens and dont have the same rights like the muslims do ,second proof for apartheid in islamic countries is treatment of women who are segregated and oppressed....
@Mujtaba Gillani I lived in a islamic country....And visited few others....Segregation of women ,persecutuion of non muslim minorities i witnessed it all ....
More importantly, why didn't they have an election for so long? Mainly because of internal political disagreements. Don't forget that hamas, a recognised terrorist org., is also very much a part of all this.
I wonder y let’s see maybe israel occupation legit last week israel tried to make Abbas cancel them an occupation shouldn’t have a right on it’s opressed elections
@@petarjovanovic1481 Where on Earth do you get that? Arab Israelis DO vote in Israeli elections, they have voted in previous Palestinian elections AND they will vote in the upcoming Palestinian elections, just google up "Jerusalem Arabs to participate in Palestinian elections".
Not knowing is ok, but not willing to know, that's stupidity, and it's dangerous. There have always been Arab parties and Arab Knesset members. Granted, it's not enough just to be able to get elected, because there have never been an Arab party in the government, but at least Israel is truly democratic, and the elections are held properly, which gives the Arab population a chance to be represented and so on...
The video omits a lot of facts. Just like the fact that separate type of IDs are issues for Jewish Israelis and non Jewish Israelis. These ids determines what rights you will have. Another fact, half the population in Jerusalem are denied citizenship because they’re not Jews. Israel is the controlling authority over the whole territory, but in territories where majority are not Jews, you have segregated roads and separate legal system. One of the population that perceives itself as the superior race, the other for the race treated as inferior.
So how 2 million Arabs get citzneship in Israel? 1.2 million of them stay in Israel after 48 war. How therr are Arabs representatives in the parliament of Israel? How they can be above jews and make laws for jews? How Arabs can be commander and boss of jews? The pa you talk about Israel offer them in 1948 israeli id they refuse it but still Israel give them residents rights they can travel, work, get and even give medical care to jews (my family doctor she is Palestinian) and they get social care and insurance from israel. There id is belong to country name Palestine it was created in 1967 qfter Israel was free Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria fro. Jordan in war. You really don't know what you talk about. Israel need to care about he own citznes Palestinian in west Bank and gaza are Palestinians citznes!! In aprtahid no Arabs can be above jewa, Palestinian are just Arabs that take a new identity in 1967. And still by the peace accords in 1995 Israel let them work, travel and get medical care in israel, israrl and Palestine is 2 states 2 Counties on the same land. If we talk about aprtahid why jews can't live in ramhalla, beit lehem, janin, nablus ecs, not to live not travel and don't work?? Its aprtahid right? NO CAUSE THIS IS COUTNRY NAME PALESTINE AND ISRAEL IS A DIFFERENT COUNTRY
Wrong. There are no separate ids for non Jews in Israel. If there where why would there be Arab parties in the Israeli parliament? Where there black parties in the South African parliament? The people in Jerusalem are not “denied” citizenship. They refused citizenship offered many times by Israeli government. Israeli checkpoints and walls are not separation there boundaries between Isreal and the pa. Just like checkpoints along any other border in the world. Have you ever been to Israel? I suggest you go there and ask the people no one in Israel considers themselves “above” the Palestinians
That's like saying the fact US citizens have a US passport, and Canadian citizens have a Canadian passport proves apartheid. Of course, those under PA control, have a PA justice system, and PA IDs.
@@okyes5671 I suggest YOU go to Israel and see how in some areas Palestinians are not allowed to even walk down certain streets, where foreigners and Jews can. How is it that a Palestinian born in Jerusalem is denied the right to visit from abroad while someone who’s Jewish (not even ethnically Hebrew…as the vast majority aren’t or even a practicing Jew) can easily show up to Israel and be given citizenship? You should see the petty harassment and contempt Palestinians face at the hands of Jews. Right now, many Jews are even calling for a “final solution” for Gaza. At least, there are some decent Jews who speak up against Israel.
As a black South African, the division between Arabs and Israelis hurts my heart. It may not be the exact same circumstances that black, Indian and mixed race South Africans had to endure, but the discrimination and judgement based on ethnicity produces the same result. Division. “Apart-hood”. Any sect or group that is discriminated against based on ethnicity is a form of apartheid. Don’t minimize Apartheid by picking on detail of ethnicity rather than race. Discrimination is discrimination.
The Jews were originally buying what was considered the least desirable land. At ridiculous prices making the Arab landowners extremely rich. In the Middle to late 1800´s this land was devoid of people. Mark Twain and many other people who visited wrote about it. Including the Arabs living in the Levant. All the towns and places of old having crumbled to dust was the exact phrase the ottoman ruler of the time said. After ww1 this Ottoman Empire was crumbling and the ruler sent two populations from around 🇹🇷 To populate the area. This was a reaction to the British n French dickheaded colonial meddling into the levant.(I use this neutral old name for the area as it has national ambiguity). He wanted to Arabize the region to combat the influx of Jews escaping persecution in Europe. Arab pride was already stinging from their loss of Empire status after ww1 and there was a rise of militias and infighting for the power vacuum. This plus Britian promises the land to at least 4 different peoples. There is a crazy sheik who leads several attempts to drive the Jews out of land that the bought. They did not steal anything at this point. Britain is unable to squash this uprising of Arabs. In the beginning it was Arab Aggression. They ask the newly formed UN to step in. They do. They decide to create a 2 state system with the Arab population getting 75% of the land and the Jews getting a small and mostly barren 25%. The Arabs get practically all the good land. Everything green and fertile other than a few places in the desert that were being slowly turned green by Jewish hard work and ingenuity. The Arabs said no. They don’t want peace. The entire Arab population said no. They started to kill and persecute Jews in Arab lands all around the Arab nations. The Jews were escaping persecution in Europe and suddenly had to escape persecution in 90% of Islamic lands with a small few notable exceptions. This created another mass immigration to The levant. The Arab nations said that they were going to wipe out the Jews. Many Arabs were told to leave their homes because it was all out war. The Jews at the time often pleaded with their neighbors to stay. The dictates of Jihad do not allow Muslims freedom of thought though do they? If you quit it’s a death Sentence, this it truth. Apostates are to be killed. The Arab forces lost. The areas that supported the Arab attempt to kill all Jews were subdued and those are the areas that had the population pushed out. Strategic importance places. It’s survival at this point and an absolute miracle that the Jews are still alive. They declare independence. The un brokers a new deal. The Arabs say no. This time 8 Arab nations get involved to wipe Israel off the map. Miracle again. Israel wins. This time they take the Gotland heights because it is strategically necessary and the Sinai because Egypt was a little bitch. The cries for death to Israel have never stopped. They teach it to their toddlers. They never stopped attacking Jews. They still talk of slitting the throats of their children. Have you even seen their pro martyrs propaganda on tv and in their music? Over the years in this horrible situation the people of Israel have given land back as a move towards reconciliation. Every time the Arab population uses it as a launching pad for the next jihad. This portofrei responsibility is almost never mentioned in western media. If you don’t research deeply you would never know. The Palestinians have been horribly used by the other Arab nations. They were never granted any form of citizenship by any Arab nations. They are used as human shields. They are sacrificial lambs in the name of Islamic pride. The works tries to help and has givin billions in aid to help our Palestinian brothers and sisters and the money is always diverted to more military and terrorist activities while the Palestinians live in squalor. A martyr assembly belt churning out bodies in a suicidal infantile rage against a lost cause based upon false narratives. I know for a fact that Israel would have let you live in peace if you stopped killing their children. That was decades ago. Now you are pushing them into no longer wanting to give you another chance. And the truth? Why should they? You want to destroy them. You don’t want them as neighbors. And you are willing to die to prove it. You will even get honored because your culture loves martyrs above peacemakers. I have read the entire Koran several times. It’s a book of peace. Until the end. And the end is war. And the end supersedes. That is why the Palestinians are committing suicide for the tell-lie-vision. Look at us😭 Victim 😥 Never any accountability.. It’s not even on the Radar of your culture. You are immune to empathy as a whole. Not everyone. I know peaceful beautiful Muslims. But as a whole. You are war. Until we are all under the yoke, right? It’s definitely in your book.
@@VajrahahaShunyata When Grand Sheriff Hussain called a jihad on the Ottomans, what Palestinian came as Jews from though out the Middle East to join Sheriff Faisel 's army? Palestinians are Turks. Maybe Israel should recognise Kurdistan.
@@VajrahahaShunyata The moment that you don’t mention the Balfour declaration and the saix pico accord, it means you have no idea what your talking about.
The examples this video gives connected to apartheid are a problem in Israel proper. Intermarriage: Since religious government authorities control marriages, Jews cannot marry non Jews without one of them converting or going abroad. If a Jew tries to convert, the religious government authority makes it difficult and these people are often contacted by "anti-assimilation" groups. Jobs: Since Palestinians with Israeli citizenship don't get drafted, they are barred from jobs that require high government clearance like being pilots for example. Different land: The Israeli government gives preference to Jewish farmers who have more access to land despite Palestinians with Israeli citizenship being more likely to live in rural areas. The government is also less likely to approve building permits for them. Besides this, Israel is very clear that it will profile people for security checks so even in Israel proper Arab citizens are more scrutinized by security.
"If a Jew tries to convert, the religious government authority makes it difficult and these people are often contacted by "anti-assimilation" groups." Name a single israeli Jew who's been contacted by an "anti-assimilation group".
@@GeoffSh4rt I searched online and found an article in two seconds about Lehava. They contact people's families if someone is dating a Palestinian. They mentioned Matan Amichai sending people's information to the group. They also mentioned a police officer who was contacted.
@@GeoffSh4rtSaying Israel is not apartheid because of SA is like saying the Armenian genocide was not a thing because of what Germany did. Lehava is not a government authority but many government officials contact them. I know of someone whose teacher told Lehava about something to their parent and it caused a lot of issues for her. They don't just talk to girls. They also contact their families and get them into physical harm. Palestinians don't often volunteer for the army and when they do, they are often denied. Look at the percentage of farmers by race and who has more land. One of the stated goals of the Israeli land authority is to give more land to Jews.
@@stevenv6463 You seem to think that ANY form of discrimination against a minority group warrants the epithet 'apartheid'. In that case you must think that the UK is an apartheid state because it certainly discriminates against Jews and other non-Anglicans. The national flag, for example, has a ruddy great cross; it doesn't have a star of David. High ranking members of the Anglican clergy have an automatic entitlement to sit in the legislature. The same right is not accorded to Jews. Christian festivals are national holidays; Jewish fewstivals aren't. Is that aprtheid? If not, why not? Name a government official who contacted Lehava - and by 'government official' I mean someone in a position of power, able to influence government policy. And the official Lehava website makes clear that they only contact girls. Israeli Arabs, I repeat, are enlisting in ever increasing numbers - and they're reaching very high positions. Check out this statement. Apartheid is all about legally enforced discrimination. If Jews have more land, what is the legal basis? Is it conceivable that they have more land simply because they're richer? And I copied this from Wikipedia. Israel Land Authority’s functions According to the Amendment 7 (2009) of the Israel Land Administration Law (1960), ILA’s functions are as follows. Allocation of land for housing, affordable housing, public housing, employment, open space allotments and for other purposes in locations and amounts required for the needs of economy, society and environment, including future needs; Land acquisition and land expropriation for the state according to the law, primarily for environmental purposes; Protection of rights of land owners in Israel; Promotion of registration of real estate rights in the Land books of Israel; Provision of services to the landholders in Israel as required for management and implementation of their rights; Publication of information about Israeli lands, including details on agreements made by the Authority regarding lands it manages, and data on the availability of planned Israeli lands for development and maintenance of open space territory; Any other function related to the Israel land management imposed upon it by law or by any governmental decision. Where, outside of your Israel-hating imagination, can you find "one of the stated goals of the Israeli land authority is to give more land to Jews."
@@GeoffSh4rt First you say any Israeli Jew who was contacted and now you say any government official. What will you say next? It is only apartheid if Netanyahu called them. Why does every single Israeli argue this way? Also I don't care what is on your flag or anyone else's.
Wasn't it President Jimmy Carter who introduced the concept of apartheid as it applies to Israel? I remember hearing that he said that the title of his book "Peace, not Apartheid" wasn't meant literally, but was only meant to be provocative. The concept caught on like wildfire, however, around the world.
@Tarna Motato Easier said than done, as there is a lot of blame to go around, not only to the Israelis, but also to the Palestinian leaders who lie to their public and divert foreign aid to weapons and Swiss bank accounts.
No it wasn’t it was first used by Hendrik Verwoerd the architect of South Africa apartheid. There also has been numerous Israeli PMs that have said that Israel would become a an Apartheid state long before Carters book.
No you are wrong multiple Israeli PMs said that Israel was heading towards apartheid long before Jimmy Carter wrote that book. Nelson Mandela famous aparttide anti-apartheid Activist from South Africa called it apartheid before him. I believe it was a white South African president in the 70s that was the first person to call Israel an apartheid state.
Who should i believe: Amnesty International, a world renowned human rights organization, or a clearly biased propaganda channel? Amnesty International tells me it is apartheid and you tell me its not
You should look at the facts, not just the name on the label. Here’s another video I think you would appreciate: th-cam.com/video/5dxv_OkvZXQ/w-d-xo.html
@@UNPACKED are you guys recognize in the world in the same tier as what people describe and the guy said " a world renowned human rights organization"?😂
You mean all the West Bank part? Israel took it in the six days war from Jordan(Israel wasn't the one attacking first); it was a countermeasure. Each time Israel withdrew a little from some parts, they got dozens and hundreds of suicide bombers. Look at Gaza; Israel has nothing to do with it. There Isn't a single jew in there. Yet, Israel still get missiles flying at it.
@@xyan819 So...? Israel hasn't started any of its wars. Whether its territory increased or not - what does it have to do with anything? Perhaps you expect the attacked side to say, "Ah, here my friend, your territories back. Let's just forget you wanted to destroy." Plus, Israel has given some territories back for peace agreements - Jordan and Egypt for example.
@@xyan819 the jewish state and arab state territories were described in 1947. The jews agreed to the un's two state solution establishing israel in 1948, the arabs rejected that offer and instead started a war. Right after the establishment of Israel, syria jordan egypt and others invaded israel seeking its destruction but lost the war Israel gained territory due to that war. In 1967 another war took place, this time Israelis were sure they're gonna lose but the idf successfully invaded egypt and managed to triple its size. after that another war took place in 1973 place against egypt and others and in the end Israel returned the entire sinai peninsula that's 3 times bigger than its actual size for peace with egypt. Long story short every time Israel has gained territory, it was because of wars and Israel has never started a war unless it had to. Its not israels fault that the arabs keep on losing wars
Jordan controlled Judea , Samaria and Eastern Jerusalem for 19 years , why didn't they " return " some of the " occupied land" to " its rightful owners" ?
@@midwestinyomouth I think he may mean a law a while back that Israel in principle is a Jewish Democratic state. The law has no teeth, it was more an official declaration. Much like the UK's "official" religion is the Church of England, it's a declaration, not an enforceable law that requires conversion or expulsion.
the first law ever established in the Palestinian authority claiming Palestine is a nation state their flag represents Islam and pan Arabism, most flags in the world represent the nation, most countries in the world are nation states, but they can still be democracies and respect all human rights as Sweden, Denmark and Finland are all nation states but when its about Jews it makes them crazy because they lived for years as the strong oppressors and the Quran promotes them to control the lives of the Jews.
@@ItayAI Well IIRC there is a law, I'm not sure if it's the Quran or just general Muslim law under the old caliphate that a. all land that, once owned by Muslims, is forever Muslim and cannot ever be ceded to a non-Muslim and b. all other religions are inferior to Islam and must declare subservience. In the old caliphate, Jews and Christian shad to pay a fealty tax that Muslims did not. The Jews were given a yellow start to show they had paid that tax. This is from where the Nazi's got their yellow Juden stars idea. Christians also had a symbol to show they'd paid the tax, but IDR what it was. The giving up land thing is still very much part of Palestinians law. In Area B, Muslims are by PA law NOT allowed to sell land to Jews. The penalty is up to and including death, though I don't believe the death penalty had ever been applied in such a case, but Muslims selling land to Jews is severely punished.
4:43 No apartheid cus they govern themselves... Exept when there are also Jewish people who don’t feel safe. So you agree? You agree that Jewish people in Israel have an ethnic superiority by law... Like apartheid.
Yet, Israel still manages all aspects of their lives and like Apartheid South Africa they split and close the freedom of movement of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.
@@alvarez6487 Bullshit. Why should Israel be the ONLY country who has to NOT have a secure border? Is Canada "apartheid" for not letting Americans in & out of the border at will? It's HAMAS who *manage every aspect of their lives* - get a fucking clue!
Israeli telling a Palestinian; “if I don’t steal your house someone else will”. This guy certainly knew that the laws were in his favour, so that 1 min video debunk your entire video
This propaganda conveniently forgots the part that area C covers 60% of the WB and only 18% of the WB has partial autonomy of Palestinianian governance.
Bringing a South African to validate the legtitimacy of this video doesn't make it objective. Let's call it segregation of Palestinians instead of apartheid. Does it make it better?
@@mikihay Roads built only for use of the Jewish settlers, maintaining a 60/40 Jewish majority in Jerusalem, even Human Rights Watch called it an apartheid so please educate yourself through reliable sources before talking, because i can keep on talking about the segregation
It makes it less of an anti Israeli propaganda so yes. Anyways, I don't know where you're from but I doubt your country will let terrorists move freely within it's borders. If they're so innocent, why wouldn't their Egyptian brothers and sisters let them in through their shared border with Gaza? Or maybe Jordan? Same reason we don't.
@@yali2926 Fun fact: The IDF was founded on militia groups that were trained by the British mandate, but then these groups turned on them and started "resisting" the British mandate by performing terrorist acts to kill both British soldiers and Palestinians (The Hagana, Ergon dunno how it's spelled sorry). If the foundation of a whole army is based on militia terrorists, then I doubt your argument still stands.
I'm new to the Palestinian/Israel topic, as an American that previously didn't pay attention to it because it seemed too neverending snd complicated. But now I am looking for fair and factual information. I just saw a recent video about "apartheid in Israel" and now I'm watching this one which seeks to dispute the claims. I have some questions and comments:
1) this video insinuates in the graphic that the origin of attacks were largely from West Bank and the places of attack were largely towards the cities along the shore thus the wall is justified, for security reasons. But... that doesn't make sense to me because missiles can fly over walls; people do not. So it makes more sense to me that the wall is meant to separate (or isolate) people first and foremost.
2) Israelis are accused of land grabs and Palestinian displacement. So if Area C (blue), which you've said is Israeli led administration and security, is the *_majority of land_* in West Bank, then why does the fact that 90% of Palestinians are within Area A (red) & B (yellow) combined, matter with regards to the accusation of land grabbing? The map just tells me the vast majority of West Bank land is under Israeli control and Palestinians are crammed into smaller red areas. Red areas that aren't even contiguous. So unless they're Israeli citizens (which most Arabs aren't) their mobility is negatively affected and their rights reduced the moment they leave one red area (enter a yellow or blue area) just to travel to another red area. I don't know, guys... this map doesn't help in disputing accusations of apartheid. It... kinda confirms it.
@DKGames 1) Thanks for responding. Hmm, I have many more questions now. (Sorry if my questions are amateur). So the wall is for the purpose of Israelis controlling which non-Israeli Arabs can leave West Bank and enter Israel? Ok. 1a) Do those restrictions apply only to non-Israeli Arabs or non-israeli people in general (regardless of race or ethnicity)? I'm wondering if discrimination is based on ethnicity or nationality. 1b) Ok, if West Bank is considered eastern Israel and those non-Israeli Arabs have lived there for generations or their whole life, why are they not Israeli citizens? They're not Palestinian citizens. They're not Jordanian citizens. They're not Israeli citizens. It sounds like they're stateless. 1c) Since West Bank is just eastern part of Isreal, are *_no restrictions_* placed on Israeli citizens in West bank? For example, are Israelis allowed to live/work/travel anywhere in Israel including West Bank? And if non-Israeli Arabs aren't Israeli citizens, does that mean they're *_not allowed_* to work/live/travel anywhere? If so, how is this not apartheid??
@DKGames 2) Ok, so you're saying Palestinians weren't pushed into the red Area A's over time, they simply were living there the whole time. And the blue Area C's were free for the taking. So the Israelis claimed that land. 2a) But what about the spaces in between the red areas? If the Israelis took over those spaces, that's restricting access they previously had to each other in different red areas, since they're not contiguous. 2b) They previously had free access to the Mediterranean Sea, too, including Gaza strip. Now that's limited. 2c) It sounds like the Israeli rationale is "the land where your home is not built on is not privately owned by you". So the vast blue Area C which was previously shared public space is no longer public nor shared. This does sound like land-grabbing. 2d) There are over 2 million Palestinian Arabs living in West Bank, but 90% of them live in the small areas A and B. Yet the video says there's about 300,000 Jews living in the larger blue area C. This means for majority of Palestinians there's a little land for a lot of people but for Jews, there's a lot of land for few people. Sorry, I know it's a lot of questions.
@DKGames 1a) Ok, so restrictions into/out of West Bank are applied on basis of nationality; or should I say... on the basis of NON-nationality, non-Israeli nationality. So are non-Israeli Jews ever restricted? Do we find the vast majority of those restricted non-Israeli's are Arab? By "these specific areas" do you mean *_all_* of West Bank; or just parts of it, like red and yellow Areas A and B. 1b) Well that's good if the Palestinians have the option to become Israeli citizens. That would at least give them a nationality/citizenship as opposed to being stateless. But why aren't they automatically Israeli citizens by virtue of having been born in that land, which is now part of Israel. As in: they were Jordanian citizens, and now they're Israeli citizens with full Israeli rights. 1c) By "these areas" do you mean only Areas A, within West Bank? Because the video showed that Israelis do indeed live in West Bank; Especially in Area C, where they outnumber the Palestinians. Ok, Palestinians can go in and out of Area A, but can they go in and out of West Bank to work, live & build, and travel? Even though Israeli's can't go in and out of Area A, they can go in and out of West Bank to work/live/travel, right?
And only one country in the world actually gave legitimacy to those bantustans by recognising them as independent countries and letting them establish embassies. That country was Israel. The video forgets they were Apartheid South Africa's closest ally.
You do realize that by calling the west bank a Bantustan you're implicitly saying that its rightful Israeli land right? it can't be both a Bantustan who's "citizens" are actually the citizens of the country to which the land belongs to and its own independent organization. This isn't even bringing up how the PLO is widely recognized by the international community unlike the Bantustan governments and how as the video points out this agreement was reached in cooperation with the Palestinians.
Fishy to ask... Why Israel also gave full military support to apartheid South Africa those time? I mean look at every, some, South African equipment in which they are Israeli origin as well the blueprint design. Does it look so fishy if 'non Apartheid' Israel gave a lot of support to a extreme racist South Africa at the time?
@FREE MILO , you mean like the Syrians, Jordanians and Lebanese ? - what do you mean you've never heard of black September ? , you were do so well until now !!!! ( NOT )
It's a pact with God. But, you literally - according to the Torah - don't need to be Jewish to be good and virtuous. You could, in practice, simply follow Noah's 7 commandments without converting. Being 'chosen' isn't inherently a favorable position.
Deuteronomy book 7 has the Abrahamic God clearly placing the people of Israel over all the other nationalities in the region, don't tell me they're not considered to be in a favorable position relative to other nationalities: Deuteronomy 7:1 'When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful than you.' Deuteronomy 7:6 'For you are a holy people to the Lord, your God: the Lord your God has chosen you to be His treasured people, out of all the peoples upon the face of the earth.' Just to note, I'm an atheist that believes this is all superstitious bullshit, but am more than happy to live and let live so long as you don't try to enforce your beliefs on other people.
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@@Qualex14 You are just repeating a medieval anti-Semitic slander. Disgusting.
Chosen to uphold the bible and the laws God wrote in it, no other nation needed to do so, that is all we were chosen for. no one said anything about being superior- that is on you gentiles feeling inferior and stealing our religion
And they are wrong. checkpoints and walls had to be built to protect Israelis from constant bombardment coming from Palestinians and their allies who do not want Jews anywhere near them and who call for Jews to be exterminated. Don’t be fooled by Hamas propaganda and left wing propagandists. I am a die hard liberal and supporter of Israel.
@@Mouse01011 The invasion and hostage taking in October by Hamas was an act of terrorism. What is telling is Israeli leaders describing it as their 9/11, their pearl harbor, as an attack out of nowhere and a clear break from normal. Normal for Israeli's is living in a developed first-world democracy, with one of the worlds most advanced militaries and missile defense systems . It sells itself as a holiday destination. It was a break with normal them. Normal is the West Bank facing the indignity of occupation and the piecemeal theft of land. Normal is Gaza being one of the largest concentrations of people becoming increasingly nonviable as a independent state as it is blocked from developing, whose terrorised population did indeed turn to a violent and antidemocratic organisation. Normal is ineffectual rocket fire being met with bombardment; suicidal terrorism with regular terrorism. Normal is thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children under administrative detention. Israeli's dying at rates normally reserved for Palestinians is indeed a tragedy. There doesn't seem to be an acceptable response for the Palestinians other than to get with the programme and give up their land or die already. I would ideally point out to Palestinians that Israel is doing this to them and not Jews in general, but can you really fault them for accepting Israel's own rhetoric which equates the two, or that dismisses criticism of Israel as antisemitism? Isn't it the slightest bit gross to say "these people want to exterminate us" as you bomb Gaza once again to rubble? Some of Hamas' rhetoric and stated aspirations are vile , as vile as what Israel is practicing. Palestinians are an inconvenient people, who live in land earmarked for the Jewish homeland. Arabs paying for the sins of Europe. However pressing the need for a Jewish homeland, whoever was the initial aggressor, Israel decisively won this war a long time ago. It is like a person standing on the neck of another still ineffectually flailing at their legs with a knife, insisting they have no choice because if they get off obviously they'd attack them. Instead picking they pockets, and taking the flare up in hostility in response to this as further evidence of their unreasonableness. At some point you can either cease your hostility and indeed comprise your commitment to your security in the hope of peace, or just commit and crush their windpipe.
@@Mouse01011 two tier justice system on civilians, roads and places that is forbidden to be entered by a non-jew on Israel, continued illegal settlements on OPT and other violations committed by Zionsists and their current government. It is apartheid you in denial knowing it to be true
I hope you get sued for a defamation crime and hate speech, Israel gives full right to all its citizens, you just write "propaganda, no one believes" and you dont give any argumentation
@@islammaynul9322 You prove yourself to be a narcissist manipulating the verbal linguistics. First comment says "this is propaganda", then I comment to this denouncing it because it just calls the video propaganda without actually providing any argument. And then you come and say "facts" to which I answer you "lies". You expose yourself as defamator, narcissist and manipulator
4:40 _"As a result of the Oslo Accords, Palestinians largely govern themselves, and vote to elect leaders of the Palestinian Authority government."_ The premise of Apartheid was to create a separation of the races. An _"apart-hood"_ where each ethnic group would be separated from greater South Africa, and be confined in areas or lands specifically designated for that ethnic group. These lands or "ethnic designations" were called _"Bantustans"_ and in these areas, Black people were told that these were their homelands, and they were allowed to (as you said), _"...govern themselves, and vote to elect leaders..."_ . Let me continue... 4:50 _"Israeli laws don't actually apply to much if the West Bank, except for certain areas with greater security risks or higher Jewish populations"_ In these *_Bantustans_* some had the priveleges like *_"Area C"_* in Israel had -they were self-governing. But the majority were *_"Area As and Bs"_* in that the Apartheid government had some control over them. Aside from this, there were areas once more designated for Black South Africans, called _"Townships"_ . These areas were the _"...areas of greater security risks..."_ that you mentioned, and were thus in the complete control of the South African government, and their inhabitants were subject to various restrictions and even curfews. One of the most hated of those controls was that inhabitants of these townships were not allowed to leave these areas with a _"pass"_ , which Black people had to have them at all times otherwise they would be imprisoned. They were also denied any access to live any else in South Africa except for the areas that they were forced to live in. All this echoes the same restrictions that Israel imposes on the Palestinians in the West Bank, thus making Israel's current enforcement of this system, an Apartheid one. You can try to justify your actions in the Occupied West Bank, but you CANNOT deny that Israel has enforced Apartheid in order to deal with your perceived problems in that region. in conclusion, Israel is an Apartheid state. In its entirety.
You do know it's the Arab muslims who want a ethnic religious state- Palestine, and not Israel who has equal rights for its non Jewish citizens? You are so beyond biased your antisemitism is showing
@@xoxlove6101 israel does not have equal rights for non jews. In its laws it says it is the state of the jews. Also palestinians who live in parts of israel that are not occupied have less rights and can not move free or vote
@@xoxlove6101 You do realise that Israel is an ethno-religious state too right? When you have OFFICIAL LEGAL policy saying that in Jerusalem, they want 60% Jews and 40% non-Jews. Your Zionism is showing. And don't equate my criticism of an Jewish Apartheid regime with hatred towards Jewish people. I have never hated Jewish people in my entire life. But I have always hated ethno-nationalists like the Zionists who run Israel.
Are A and B are not Bantustans because they are independent and not part of Israel. They world wiews them as The State of Palestine. While "Bantustans" in South Africa were self governt but they were controled and were part of South Africa. And in South Africa blacks wanted to coexist with whites in the country as a hole while palestinians wanted to live in a country separated from Israel. Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza don't even wannna be part of Israel.
@@ytbgamer9380 Does Palestine has equal rights for Jews? If Palestine was a country would it allow Jews to vote? Why does it seem so obvious to people that Israel has to be a bi ethnic state and Palestine will be a Muslim state?
I grew up in South Africa so I understand apartheid and what I see in Isreal is not apartheid. The views that I hear of apartheid in South Africa are also quite distorted. It wasn't created because whites viewed themselves as superior, it was because they believed everybody should be separate, that’s why people were classified as Indian, Black etc. This was the reason that the homelands were created. Most people see the release of Nelson Mandela as the watershed moment, it wasn't, apartheid was mostly over long before the 1990s but the laws were still in place. I studied with both Blacks and Indians in the 1980s, who ironically qualified before me because I was required to do two years national service whereas they weren't. Apartheid wasn't right and that's why most of South Africa voted for change. It is important to report the truth because in so many cases the narrative is wrong but it's used effectively as a weapon. This is the case for Israel, there is no apartheid in Israel, but this word is so powerful and it's being used against the Israelis. Why is "from the river to the sea" not being seen as both genocide and apartheid, but Israel's actions in defending themselves are? Let's not forget that the slogan implies complete annihilation of the Jews - genocide, and a piece of land where there will be no Jews - apartheid.
@@roeebn5809 He's an expert on what it means to be the victim of an oppressor state, and that is why he could relate to the people of the State of Palestine who are being oppressed by the zionists.
@@sardar388 still not valid because he has such small grasp on the actuallity of things here lol. I can send send you quotes from fighters against racism that mean nothing too. For example, Martin Luther king said "Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality". What is security for Israel? The wall that protects Israeli civilians and was built after the second intifada. The checkpoints between the borders of Judea and Samaria or the blockade of Gaza that aims to limit transference of arms to hamas.
@ the old anti-semite victim card. I'm not even talking about jewish people, you idiot. I'm talking about Israel's policies. If you consider yourself entitled to evict a palestinian from their house and settle there; if you think you desrve more rights as a citizen than a palestinian; if you agree with blockading their land, expand yours, annex what's is not your land, you are the racist one. Psychological projection won't be enough.
I'm an American, I have lots of European Jewish friends, i honestly don't know very many Palestenians....i have always supported jewish people.... i am against the Nazis and KkK and other anti jewish groups. HOWEVER, it seems like Israel has become an aparthied state.... reminds me of south africa and the displacement of native americans on to reservations.......I can not continue to stand i solidarity with these EVIL acts of oppression and genocide!!!
I'm curious if you did basic research to arrive to your claims . Without googling : By what percent (% ) did the Palestinian population shrink (get smaller) since the formation of Israel (1948) . Formula : ("population at 1948" - "current population" )/ "population at 1948" %
Thank you for this. I just shared in the comments of an UN* video which I saw about Israel being an apartheid state without no real sources to proof it... It's crystal clear you can't compare what's happened in South Africa with the situation of Israel.
@@TheBigThinker944 as long as he isn't a danger for *the people living there * I think yes. Oh, also... isn't there a board crossing? like for example I'm from Moldova & we have a board crossing between Moldova & Transnistria which is a separatist zone... it declares itself being autonomous (we also have such an autonomus territory in the south of the country called UTAG where Gagausians live that has it's own leader called a Bashcan) isn't kinda like the same in Gaza & West Bank? Idk... For example I was once in Transnistria, people from there have their own kind of passport, kinda like Soviet kind, currency and when we pass there is a check for strangers coming in, it's pretty strict getting in there... ik nothing about the other Autonomus Region which as I said is on south but they're pretty much checked from inside, from them.. I think I can't really compare between countries cs autonomus might mean for a part a thing and for another sth else, or imply some other things too, like additionally, as to their rules laws or even just customs
That's why you won't work in the UN, you're dumb that's it. It's crystal clear that palestinians are under an apartheid rule, even the lacking morals girl in this video implicitly admitted it, she just said that they were just 10% who were under apartheid and so because it isn't 100% she doesn't consider it apartheid. You're hearing what you want to hear not the truth, if you honestly wanted the truth the last thing you would do is to check on it in an israëli youTube channel.
@Saleh Nimer so were the scots who killed the english when they occupied scotland terrorists? How about the Americans before the war of 1776? The irgun and palmach were resistance fighters. Terrorists kill and destroy because they are hateful (ie hamas and islamic jihad) freedom fighters destroy and rarely kill to gain the independence (ie, palamach, scots, Americans, the koreans.)
. The Authors of the Amnesty International report have responded to this claim in their report: The report does not set out to compare Israel with South Africa under apartheid or to determine whether Israel is an “apartheid state”-a concept that is not defined in international law. Rather, the report assesses whether specific acts and policies carried out by Israeli authorities today amount in particular areas to the crimes of apartheid and persecution as defined under international law. Have you even READ the apart?
7 questions to ask a Pro Palestinian: 1 / Explain to me why you consider that it is Israel which took the land from the Palestinians, while it is Jordan which occupies 80% of Palestine? 2 / Explain to me why you consider it logical that Palestine should belong to the Palestinians, when it never occurred to you that Judea could belong to the Jews? 3 / Explain to me why, while an Arab can walk quietly in Tel Aviv and Haifa while a Jew who gets lost in Ramallah or Shehem (Nablus) is the object of a lynching, c is Israel you accuse of apartheid? 4 / Explain to me why you find it normal that there are Arabs living in Israel but it is unthinkable that a single Jew could live in a Palestinian state? 5 / Explain to me why it was only after Israel took Gaza from Egypt and Judea and Samaria from Jordan that you started calling them "the Palestinian territories"? 6 / Explain to me why the Palestinians never sought to create a state in these famous territories while they were under Arab rule? 7 / Finally explain to me why you disdain to answer these questions for fear of understanding that your unwavering support for the Palestinian cause against Israel is nothing other than the humanist expression of your disguised anti-Semitism? 🤔
@@timelesshour8701 The *Jewish people* are *indigenous* to *Judea* - Land of Israel. After over 2 millennia of forced exile, persecution, and genocide, the *(re)establishment* of Jewish sovereignty in our *ancestral homeland* is a remarkable story of *national liberation.* Jewish claims to the land are far more than biblical accounts. Our *religion, language, culture, holidays, rituals, liturgy, history,* and even the words Jew and Jewish are all inseparable from *historical Judea* and our collective longing to return to the Land of Israel. The land of Israel is where Jews became a people and the oldest monotheistic faith. It is where Jews achieved *sovereignty* before losing it and regaining it several times until much of the *indigenous Jewish population* was either killed or forced into exile following the *Roman Empire’s* brutal suppression of the heroic *Jewish revolt* in the second century of the Common Era. Though the Romans subsequently renamed the land *Syria Palaestina,* the Jewish people never left our homeland physically or spiritually. *Archaeological evidence* of Jewish life can be found in more than *30,000 sites* in Israel with antiquities dating back centuries. Even when we were massacred and persecuted by Christian Crusaders, Arab and Ottoman invaders, the British-led Jordanian Arab Legion, or more recently Hamas suicide bombers and rockets, our attachment never wavered. It is in this same land where Jews miraculously *revitalized* the Hebrew language, *rebuilt* the institutions necessary for independence, *re-engaged* in rituals that are uniquely observed in the land of Israel, redeveloped the land and the economy so that by several magnitudes the Jewish and non-Jewish populations grew, and offered refuge not just to the remnant which survived the Holocaust, but also millions of Jews fleeing persecution from the Muslim Middle East, Ethiopia, and the former Soviet Union. Today, Israel is a rich tapestry of *diverse* citizens, including over half of Jewish Israelis (who identify as Jews of color) and 20% of whom are Arab citizens.
@@patriotsforisrael3610 My contention is that YOUR people claim ownership of Palestine through a book written by Jewish hands, claiming a super natural being told them of the promised land, this doesn't work with secular law. Also, your lost control of PALESTINE over 2,000 years ago to Greeks, the Romans and than to the Arabs. Plus, its in the bible (if its true) that "god" told Joshua to destroy the walls of JERICO, why is there walls? that means the Israelite STOLED the land from the natives of Palestine, the Canaanites? Israelites not natives, but the Canaanites are. Joshua 6 1-27
@@timelesshour8701 Syria Palaestina (later, Palestine) was a name given to the Jewish province of *Judea* in 135 CE by the Roman Emperor Hadrian who wanted to erase the Jewish connection to the land. Btw, The Romans also changed the name of Jerusalem to *Aelia Capitolina.* And no one uses that name today. Jerusalem will always remain JERUSALEM. And Judea will always remain JUDEA. Like it or not. Am Yisrael Chai! 🕎
If we go as per ur narrative that God Promised Land of Israel to Abhrambic doesn't that includes Arabs also.... As they are descendant of Abraham... Let's make it clear... U don't want anything but falsehood and narrative that fits u... And feeds ur ego ...u can have a thousand justification for the crimes u commits... No wonder God expelled u from the Promised Land and made u in Exile .... Or have the God Spoken again and took back the Exile And Honestly i don't care from whom that land belong to Jews or for the Arabs.. all i wish is there for a peace and harmony.. and for all communities to live peacefully.....
How can you call Israel an "apartheid state" when it is plainly not? Arabs are not forced to live by themselves, but they PREFER to live by themselves. They prefer to send their children to Arabic speaking schools, whereas Jews send their children to Hebrew speaking schools. Arabs prefer speaking their own language, Arabic, whereas Jews converse in Hebrew. Arabs choose to pray in mosques, not because they are forced to do so, but because Islam dictates to them where they should pray. Jews pray in synagogues. However, in other things we are all the same. We ride the same buses; we are cared for in the same hospitals, and we purchase goods in the same stores and supermarkets. We also work together in many of the same offices and institutions.
So why then do you have football teams like Beitar Jerusalem, where an Arab has never been allowed to play? Israel hasn't even had the equivalent of Jackie Robinson.
Palestinians need permits to move around. Are Palestinians allowed to live in Jewish Settlements? Palestinian athletes have difficulties securing travel documents.
@@sunshine6522 we're talking about israeli settlements in palestinian land, settler invaders can go into a palestinian home and just claim it as his own and the idf will look the other way and even encourage it.
@@kingbradley6000 That's simply not how it works... settlements are built on empty land- there's no such thing as going in and stealing a Palestinian home.
"I am shocked by the claim that the free, diverse, democratic state of Israel practices apartheid. This ridiculous accusation trivialises the word apartheid, minimising and belittling the racism and suffering endured by South Africans of color." Rev. Dr. Kenneth Meshoe, Member of the South African Parliament. Claiming that Israel is an apartheid state is, therefore, a grave injustice to those who actually lived under an apartheid regime.
Thank you for articulating the situation so well. It helps give words where I, and am sure many others, have struggled to articulate our confusion and frustration when trying to clear this misappropriation/misunderstanding up when asked about it.
@@stormtrain11 Because it doesn’t matter what individual citizens believe or support at this point. The conversation is about government policies and how they affect the population. And it’s a fact that Palestinians have been persecuted for decades by your government and there is plenty of ample evidence for it. This video is misleading, and it’s a non sequitur bringing up who you love. There are also Israelis who hate their Palestinian and Arab neighbors.
@@stormtrain11 I’m just real pissed since my government in my name as a taxpayer (I’m an American) is now continuing to send your country billions in aid to continue what it’s doing. It’s not about who people hate and love, this is now just about right and wrong and holding the powerful accountable so that this is change. There will never be peace as things are now.
lol, imagine honestly attacking such a fair source as being propagandistic just because it disagrees with your agenda. Thats like calling Belgium an apartheid state because it doesn't treat Dutch as Belgian citizens, its absolutely insane. And of course, if you say something so crazy people will assume you're anti-Belgian.
They literally admitted that they have apartheid in this video. South Africa also made excuses like "it's just the consequences of an unfortunate reality". Also, Nelson Mandela called Israel an apartheid state and Israel supported apartheid South Africa until it's last day.
Does not matter what sugar coating you give, Israeli actions and tratement of Palestinians in their own home state clearly amount to not just apartied, but also as war crimes.
as a South African of colour and a student of our Apartheid history and yours, I must say that if you (disingenuously) simplify Apartheid to your description here, you will never be able to understand the comparison. Apartheid does not simply mean one state, one government, with unequal laws for its citizens. The foundational bedrock of Apartheid were the Bantustans and the Pass Laws. The Bantustans were semi autonomous regions, similar to Area B in the West Bank). All black South Africans were deemed to be citizens of the Bantustans. They did not have citizenship of South Africa proper. Apartheid rendered South Africa into a federation of regions under the supreme power of White South Africa. Black people could only enter and reside in White South Africa with a pass. In reality the Bantustan governments had no power at all. Brown South Africans however were allowed to live in White South Africa, but as very much disenfranchised second class citizens. The UN (of course) never recognised the Bantustans, but SA continued with the ridiculous charade. SA took over Namibia after defeating the German colonists there in WW1. When SA became an Apartheid state in 1948 they implemented the Bantustan policy there as well. They held on to Namibia until 1989, ostensibly for security reasons, much as Israel does with the Occupied Territories. The West Bank and Gaza are Bantustans, in everything but name. Apartheid is intricate, both in SA and Israel. So when you reject your opponents challenge of Apartheid, it is because YOU do not understand the intricacies, not them. Study the intricacy of SA Apartheid and your situation in Israel will be illuminated to you .If you actually want equality for all Palestinians (as your videos often claim), and this even possibly in one state with regional powers. Well, that one state already exists, de facto if not de jure. It is already a federation of semi autonomous regions under the supreme control of Israel. Start by recognising the massive discrimination Palestinians live under in that one de facto state, both in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem Banstustans, and even within Israel proper. And when a member of our delegation at the ICJ stated that Palestinians live under a worse form of Apartheid than we ever did, it's true. Separate roads for Palestinians and Jews?! Even in our darkest days we never had such a thing!
Separation wouldn't have happened if your darling Palestinians weren't suicide, murdering, graping, kidnapping and bombing Jews. Dividing West bank came after jordan withdrawal from judea and samaria those so called Palestinians in West bank are jordanians Israel is even merciful and patients to those terrorists who want to kill them any time they get. Israel citizens in West bank use different routes for protection and fire of being murdered, Palestinians are allowed to enter Israel for work, visits, and using Israel airports but Israel Jews can't go to Palestine part for fear of being murder, Israel provide food, health care, jobs, security, water, electricity to Palestinians but they are still ungrateful it's not Israel fault that they love their people so much they will do anything to protect them even if it means to bulid a big wall. And for gaza Israel is not their and doesn't govern their it's hamas if we are to go by your explanation of apartheid it Palestinians doing aparthied against Israelis not the other way around. And anyone who has ever read southafrica history knows the condition black southafricans went through is no way near what Palestinians put themselves into. Bye the way am African and we were taught history of southafrica as a subject of it's own so I know very well what southafrica was stop this bs.
Having reasons like security is not a counter argument for defending practicing military law and raids for one group, and state law for another. It still serves as a one of the reasons why it’s apartheid. Calling it apartheid is determined by the treatment of the suppressed group. It can not be denied happening because of security reasons for the ruling group
I can see it from your perspective. Though I am thinking more about what the end result of the policy is:: When Israel separates two people in order to keep one of the two (the Israelis) safe from terrorism from the other one (the Palestinians), could one not argue that the end result is: Discrimination of one nationality over another? I know that you see it as a necessary, but does it not mean that Palestinians get some of their human right’s breached?
How is it discrimination against nationality if 2 million Arabs live freely and equally and peacefully inside of Israel? I can see it from your perspective but only if you ignore causality and the real reason for the current reality. Yes, it’s not fair or fun for the Palestinians, but what choice did Israel have? We made a whole video exploring and unpacking that question here: th-cam.com/video/wIP0TMkuqGw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=B6C56MbUJ4fLKYXz
@@UNPACKED I don’t want to spend much more time replying to the details and make detailed descriptions, ll but in general I would highlight here the necessity of always having a reasonable amount of focus on protection of human rights of the weaker part when talking about apartheid accusations. As I see the video it doesn’t mention much about what the wearer part’s everyday experience is. I think it is troubling that the video overwhelmingly describes the complexities by prioritizing needs of the stronger part. But that is in general sadly the picture I get when I listen to Israeli talk about the conflict . I rarely hear empathy for what Palestinian might be going through And I of course hundred percent understand that it can be even more difficult after October 7, but if Israel does not focus on understanding and communication with the other side, but instead has a military solution that only benefits themselves then I actually understands why the conflict cannot be solved right now I would suggest that Israel would try to look at what it must be to be on the other side being in a situation where they have parts of their human rights taken away and then try and not generalize when talking about the other side I know that there have been different peace negotiations and offers and things like that, where Palestinians have refused the proposals but it seems like Israel always has the upper hand and the strong hold because of the very forceful military And actually, Palestinians that are suffering or might have been victims too forceful actions by IDF or who have trauma from loosing a family member because of that I actually understand why there it sometimes can lead to individuals or groups committing terror attacks because what else can they do to change things If Israel mostly solves things militarily instead of - as the stronger part - reaching out and communicating Israel in my eyes should look at itself and think about “with great power comes great responsibilities” and see it as a privilege and positive thing that they have the power to reach out and negotiate without risking their lives Palestinians as I see it do not have that privilege
We make a few videos talking about the Palestinian perspective, including the video on the wall (th-cam.com/video/wIP0TMkuqGw/w-d-xo.html) and this one: th-cam.com/video/jEvScav0Xj4/w-d-xo.html and this one about Gaza: th-cam.com/video/o7dX6j8--vA/w-d-xo.html And definitely hear your point, but isn’t Israel’s primarily obligation to protecting its citizens? It’s offered a peace deal plenty of times, and each time it receives terror in response (check here: th-cam.com/video/1kYWII25cxM/w-d-xo.html). And yes, Oct 7 complicates all of this too. I don’t know what a path forward looks like, but if it doesn’t include the cessation of terror, it probably won’t include Israel giving more privileges to the Palestinians
I am from South Africa and apartheid is Afrikaans for separation. It's a word, not a term or definition. It was just used by the western world to describe the segregation of races that happened under the National Party. And what's happening in Isreal is not Apartheid. It's the type of discrimination that is happening in Japan with relation to foreign workers and in the USA with black/African people.
U are on drugs a word carries meaning and it is the meaning that defines the word and U who has no element of understanding the history or fact or what is happening , in palistine it is quite ignorant to make a judgement , wake up dude we live in TH-cam world not in candle light era... I am sure press a button and knock and U shall receive and seek and shall find.... What is happening in palistine is worst than what happened in Africa , this is ethnic cleansing of a nation in the name of ante-cimitism..here people are killed if they do not accept tyrancy
@@mansoor7571 It is terrible but it is no apartheid. Apartheid was about the separation of races whereas, in Palestine, the Palestinians have many rights removed and are treated terribly, but Israelis are allowed by Israel to move to Palestinian areas, which is not segregation, rather a human rights violation). Also, it is very hard to compare the two because the treatment of black people in SA was different (and by many considered worse) than in occupied Palestine.
@@mansoor7571 it's not worse. It's the arabs who created this issue. The jews are no longer weak and inferior. You are just shocked that Allah has chosen the jews over the arabs, that Mohammad might had been a liar and that you are in so much pain following islam.
What are you talking about? In the USA, all the local terrorists (BLM) are not jailed for the mayhem and chaos that they created. They destroyed stores completely based on the fact that their owners will be compensated by insurance. There is freedom in the USA, we need to live decently, and not destroy. There is a great number of mixt marriages in the USA, the schools are not segregated.
@@mansoor7571 how Israel is aprtahid? If Palestinians can work with the jews get medical care in the same place and even shop and eat in the same places with the jewz! This is exactly they problem you see edit videos and not the real life and you think its the true! And now to the Israeli arbas- the get represented on the parliament even i coalition, most of the doctors nurses (medications) and nurse in Israel are Arabs (however my own family doctor she is from east Jerusalem and I am jewish) , Arabs can work with jew, eat in the same restaurants, live on th same buildings, 81% of them serve in idf this no. Is bigger than than the jews (only 70%). And I can keep going! You never see on your social the kids that throw blocks and injured and even kill many innocent israelis, they even throw fire bottles,shoot and stab. When they throw blocks they get arrested for few hours! If hamas or PLO wand to figth israel they need to that by there own and not using kids and not to shoot and try to murder israelis. When hamas launch rockets its from citznes area in Gaza and directly to Israeli citznes area to kill us! Israel don't want go back to second intifada back than thousands explode and die even Arabs. However Palestinians and israeli Arabs can sit in the same bus /train with jews! Its not a crime israel protect her citznes Arabs and jews! 1.8 million Arabs live here and thousands of other minorities! I never saw idf hurt someone innocent and I live here not like you see only social
Israel is several times more oppressive than South Africa under apartheid. I like how you say the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, apartheid development is way more complicated than how South Africa developed. Not hardly, the Dutch and British built South Africa and when it was done, Africans came in droves, unlike the formation of Israel, where the people were already there in droves, God's chosen people, in their mind, had only one options, systematically exterminated them.
That's really sad as you show how ignorant you are. The early Jewish leaders appealed to the Arabs to stay in their houses and help them create a country together. There have been less than 100,000 "Palestinians" killed in the last 100 years. There was never a time that Israel started Any of the fighting. Five Arab armies attacked the one day old country of Israel. From the 1880s, the Arabs attacked the Jews on lands they bought. You really need to educate yourself. *Buy a book! Google is free!*
Wow. I discovered this channel very recently and I was impressed by how reasonably even-handed some of the descriptions of the history of the land of Israel and Palestin was. This is not at all the case here. This is absurd. There is no serious effort to grapple with the charge of apartheid. Essentially, the argument appears to be that the security regime in the West Bank are justified due to the threat of terrorism and therefore anything that is done in the anme of security cannot be apartheid. But it ignore that the settlements themselves are illegal. There would be no security concerns for settlers if Israel didn't support the illegal appropration of Palestinian land.
Glad you like our channel! Firstly, your claim that security issues would disappear without settlements don’t explain terrorism before 1967, or the fact that security concerns from Gaza increased since Israel removed its settlements in 2005 (see:10/7). It might be the case that settlements actually make Israel and Israelis safer, as they break up tue development of terrorists. Also the legality of Israel’s settlements is a complicated and disputed legal issue. But glad you agree that the issue at play is about security and not about racism or hatred of Arabs. Especially since there are 2 million Muslim/Christian Arabs who are equal citizens of Israel, plus the majority of Israeli Jews are ethnically Arab. You might appreciate this video where we explore the legal and moral questions further: th-cam.com/video/wIP0TMkuqGw/w-d-xo.html
I can't take this video serious because it is so biased and the fact that Israelis are so sensitive to criticism really doesn't help to have an honest dialogue.
The young people who can accuse Israel of apartheid or deny the accusation are the neutrals, not the people who are biased towards Israel, like this woman who supports Israeli policies.
I visited the RSA , and the " locals" believe what you and I call " revenge" ( with government help - where else who farm attackers get military grade cell-phone jammers etc? ) , they call karma - like drowning innocent kids in baths full of boiling water is karma
basically, if one's judging whether israel is an apartheid state or not based on what's seen on the most superficial level (as the video claimed, with "no context") then the result may seem like an apartheid state. In reality, occupying territories due to real secuirity risks is the moral thing to do. In fact, NOT occupying and patrolling those areas is immoral towards ALL of the Israel citizens (arabs and jews).
Since the only occupation of Yudah and Shomron, is by the ar abs, who invaded in 1948, and ethnically cleansed the place, only those areas controlled by the PA and Hamas are truly apartheid. The native people cannot live, or even travel there safely.
I admit some criticisms of Israel may be true (but I don't know enough), but claiming Israel runs "Aparteid" or "terroism" is definately "lying for the sake of a cause" - what we call "propaganda". Some people have an INCREDIBLY one-sided, impractical & hyper-partisan view on the Isael/Palestinian issue. Putting nationalism, rage or pity of oneself or others above all else, all practical realities - that is not a virtue imo, but creates far more suffering.
if you admit you "don't know enough", it implies you don't know enough to tell whether the accusation of apartheid is true or not, and you shall admit you may not be able to judge if others are "lying" or "incredibly" one-sided
@@gabriele4740 No it doesn't necessarily. It is (unlike you comment?) has some humility rather than rage & the arrogance that anyone who disagrees is evil or lying. Here is why i said that: (1) Most ppl are INCREADIBLY one sided on this and will accuse israel or palestians of anything. Do thus an accusation by itself means absolutely nothing, what else do you expect? (2) Apartheid is about race or religion, and restriction based purely on that, not for security. But Arabs do live in Israel and are let into the same places, correct? Sure they may get treated the same way by some ppl as Jews get treated in london or elsewhere by arabs. But apartheid? What is the evidence? (3) The wall and security measures are extreme to prevent terrorist attacks on civilians & also attacks on military. What is the alternative? Commit suicide for the sake of those whose hoal is thr destruction of Israeli?
@@gabriele4740 Your comment sounds insincere & like cheap shot by someone very polarized on the issue in who is all good and all evil. But i will Give you the benefit of the doubt, sp explain if you like, and how you know what you know. I may take a while to answer coz i go through msgs not that often. Thank you 😉🙏🙏
@Abdullah really - and pray do tell me based on what basis should I trust you are being truthful & truth- seeking about such a complex & controversial issue, Abdullah? Did you not understand my first comment at all? then you come along and say "hey i am a total stranger, trust me 100% without any reason". With an arabic name, chances are you have an anti israel bias - just statistically a fact. The only person I have ever met or heard that tries to be objective on this & openly displays her own values is Kim Iversen (leans palestinian though). I can't recall what she said, it was nuanced and though, but i think maybe a "yes"....? I cannot recall if it was necessary for security, which is a major issue, i dont know. Also has nothing to do with my practical life, so yeah.
Let me explain to you what they said in this video, I ‘m just going to change the names as ISRAEL= Russia , PALESTINE = Ukraine , in this current war russia wanted to annexate parts of ukrain as they said it was belongs to them , ukranian ppl reject this idea but Russia used the army and weapon to reach their goal , who will you sympathies with? Even the palestenian can’t live freely in their parts of the country , Britain is the one who gave the jews”nation” afterWW2 when Ottoman Empire falls, Palestine was always among its arab neighbourhood, Nothing called israel
Try the book ethnic cleansing of Palestine by one of the most prestigious Israeli historians Ilan Pappe as a fact. Try the book Gaza by the son of holocaust survivors and one of the most fearless Jewish American professors in the US Norman Finkelstein as a fact. Try the thousands of reports and investigations that were issued by highly respected human rights organisation on the crimes committed by israhell like HRW as a fact. Why don't you go read a book instead of washing your brain with rubbish videos like this as a fact.
Fact: Nelson Mandela, the anti-apartheid icon, did criticize Israel's treatment of Palestinians and used the term "apartheid" to describe certain aspects of Israeli policies towards Palestinians. Interesting how they conveniently left that out of the video 😅
So about apartheid interview the arabs living in fore example in Jeruzalem they gonna tell you the most of them that there is NO apartheid we have the same rights as the Jews!
"I know first-hand that Israel has created an apartheid reality within its borders and through its occupation. The parallels to my own beloved South Africa are painfully stark indeed." - Desmond Tutu "I have never called Israel an apartheid state because it is worse than that." - Noam Chomsky
Im a south african who lived in apartheid. Most south africans know Islam is a global problem and surports jews. Muslims in isreal are free. Muslims in south africa practise apartheid, racism and segregation in south africa till today. A black man in sa is called a kaffer. The anc government is scared of islam so they practice appeasement politics. Hence the gaza condemnation. Majority of south africans surport jews.
I hear that “it’s complicated” but if you are trying to be balanced about your approach to these issues you should have some Palestinian youth speakers instead of only kids with Israeli flags in the background speaking if you want to be fair about this complicated problem that has gone on for far too long. Also you harken back to the Six Day War as why it all has to be this way in most of the videos. Does it though? Most of not everyone who fought in that war are long gone? Why does it still bind your hands from doing something? Finally the word Apartheid doesn’t belong to South Africa or any other country for that matter. It’s definition is a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. If that definition fits then the word can be used by anyone. You can’t culturally appropriate an English word. Also the speaker in this videos points out that South Africa was unjust to its own citizens while Israel is clearly being unjust to people they are militarily occupying who aren’t part of Isreal!? 😆 Seriously? Making a vid quibbling about stealing a word from another country may have been the wrong direction.
@jack rodgers So you've been to South Africa , have you ? , tell me about your visit to Soweto , then tell me about how in Israel , there are two lines for toilets , petrol and voting in Israel , one for the Jews , and the other for " infidels " - you CAN'T because apartheid DOESN'T exist in Israel
Peace or the lack thereof is largely in the hands of the Palestinians. Jew hatred and a lack of recognition of the Jews historic roots in the holy land are a big problem.
1961 hendrick verwoord south africa prime minister and an architect for south africa apartheid policies himself recognise similarity with israeli...he dismissed israel vote against aparthied in un by saying israeli like south africa,an aparthied state...
Stop playing war games on pelestian's land and soil by Jew Israel will not recognise in pelestine country and middle East all pelestine country only for pelestian people not for Israel Why UN give two nations State in pelestine From today all news media does not discuss as a issue for Israel and discuss for pelestine country
Please explain how the Ottoman Turk former Lands or the British Mandate lands, or the illegally annexed Jordanian lands ever were the Palestinian's lands. The British did a Land Survey in 1945, the Palestinian farmers owned 3.3% of the land. How does that make it Palestinian land??
I'm confused on one thing, though. Is B'Tselem being included in the reference to "extreme" critics? From what I can tell, that doesn't seem to be their reputation except among those who can hardly be considered neutral parties on the matter, I I'm certain that they're goal isn't the delegitimization of Israel. I also don't understand why relevant facts about the recent election in Israel weren't brought up. No small number of politicians can be a reflection on the state or the people at large, but you can't claim to have a representative government and deny that certain politicians represent a large enough portion of the population to have earned a seat in the representative body.
@@sunshine6522 So, you're saying it's an organization of anti-Israel Israelis? From what I can tell, the organization is trying to help Israel push closer to the ideal version of itself by reporting on the less savory aspects of it's actions and policies. In my view, that is a greater form of patriotism than ignoring the bad and focusing on, and exaggerating, the good; something which my fellow Americans do as easily as breathing.
@@OldMansWar Many Americans hate America and are calling it a racist country, haven't you seen the clips of BLM protestors chanting "death to America"? the same thing is happening in Israel, some Israelis hate Israel and are willing to collaborate with its enemies. constructive criticism is one thing- but working side by side with Israel's enemies is a completely different story.
@@sunshine6522 If we select the worst representatives of any group to represent the group as a whole, every group is literally awful. And given some of the new members of the Knesset, who promote hate and war crimes as well as turning Israel into a theocratic republic... Those kinds of criticisms, the sort you made of BLM and Americans with strong criticisms of their own country, are what ACTUAL attempts at delegitimization look like.
@@OldMansWar So you agree that there are some awful representatives in every group. what I'm saying is that B'Tselem is the worst representative of the Israeli society. nothing is worse than being a traitor to your own country and collaborating with those who are seeking Israel's destruction. it would be objective criticism if they focused on speaking to Israelis- instead of running around the entire world to smear Israel's reputation.
How do you then describe demolitions of Palestinian houses not only in east Jerusalem but also in the west bank while illegal Israeli settlements in the west bank aren't being subjected to the same? How do you describe those well constructed roads leading to settlements in the west bank, that the Israeli settlers can use freely but Palestinians have to go through poor roads laden with Israeli checkpoints, where they have to endure humiliation as the seek to be let through? This list can go on and on and on.........
You obviously do not know enough avout the situation to comment if you ask these questions. The only "Palestinian" houses that are demolished are either illegally built or are owned by terrorists and their families. Israel has legal housing laws with permits and building laws, if you just build a house and ignore all the housing laws, the house gets demolished whether owned by Jew or Arab. Please explain how Israel building in Israel is illegal. Area C is fully under Israeli control, both by government and security. They can build up infustructure where they want. If the Palestinian Authority does not spend their money on roads, it is not Israels position to interfere. Checkpoints were established after terror campaigns. They were not there from the beginning. They stopped the terror by over 90%. Please, give more uneducated comments.....
@@shainazion4073 I will still freely exercise my freedom of expression regardless of how it makes you feel. Given that nobody ever had the chance to choose their parents or even their place of birth, how would you feel if you were a Palestinian?
Until you’ve been to a country and seen it for yourself everything you’ve heard both positive and negative are just words. If you want to understand Israel truly, you have to go to Israel.
the video doesn't explain that mizrahim moved here because the Arabs kicked them off their land, depriving them and their families of their historical roots just for being Jewish, now why should they feel sorry for the same Arabs here?
South Africa used also tried to justify it's system of apartheid....
You could have mentioned the fact that Ashkenazi and Sephardim also come from the same ancestral lines as the Mizrahim. We're Judean first, and should not be defined by where we were forced to form our shtetls.
Numbers 12:1 NIV
@Bob De Baviaan again the khqzar myth?
@Bob De Baviaan yes what evidence? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Bob De Baviaan so a made up bullshit, all antisemites are the same
@Bob De Baviaan yeah and German academia also provided plenty of evidence for their Nazism, just jump to explaining our Satanic blood already
Calling an Apartheid a necessity doesnt makes It less than a Apartheid, And ignoring the settlements problems with internacional law And how the campaign for them was made in israel makes me question the intention of this video
Right! No one claims that it is the exact same situation but it has a similar ethnic oppression.
This is pure propaganda. Not even trying to show two sides. It glosses over the fact Israel has the worlds 4th largest army and has nukes...yet they fear for their protection? Hmmm. Call it what it is. Colonialism. It’s a big mess on both sides and neither side is particularly good. As a US citizen I don’t want my tax money funding any sort of oppression. That should be my right as a tax payer. We got plenty of our own stuff to deal with.
@@1060Pearl to say israel doesn't have to be afraid is nonsense . When you have terrorist blowing up buses and places or trying to stab people , i bet you will be afraid . When hamas is shooting rockets into your country , sending fire kites or bomb balloons, will you be okay with that? Yes israel is strong but it's because we are afraid for our own safety. By the way i am an israeli .
Ps. About your tax money , you are right . If you don't want that money to go to other countries that's totally acceptable .
@@Anne-zt2dz Haas is getting money from China.
Fine, let's call Apartheid a necessity. They want all Boers dead.
This video makes it out as though Israel's presence in the West Bank is simply for security reasons . . . what about the settlements?? Obviously the situation is nowhere near as bad as in South Africa, but it seems pretty clear that in the West Bank (and East Jerusalem), your ethnicity determines what rights you have. Israel-with the strongest military in the region and the US by its side-has effective security control of the entire area between the Mediterranean and the Jordan. Within this territory, all Jews have the right to vote, move freely, etc., while most Arabs do not. "Apartheid" is a legal term and does not only apply to South Africa.
Yes. It's especially obvious if you look at the fact that Palestinians have to constantly go through checkpoints just to move around within the West Bank. The Palestinian areas in the West Bank are essentially Bantustans. If Israel doesn't want to be an Apartheid state then they have to grant citizenship and voting rights to all Palestinians in the West Bank, but they won't do that because then there wouldn't be a Jewish majority.
'To equate what is going on in Israel today with South Africa when South Africa was under Apartheid laws is a gift to Israel'
Noam Chomski
Read up on what happened to land ownership and occupancy in Judea and Samaria. Under Jordanian control, Jews were forced out of their generational homes. While they still owned their property, they couldn't live there and had to rent their property (that's what the fuss was a couple of years ago - nonpayment of rent).
Jews purchased land and became the owners.
If Muslims can live in Israel, Jews should be able to live in the territories.
@@drdonna4915 I guess ideally everyone could live everywhere. The issue is that Jews have the right to vote for the government that occupies and controls the West Bank (Israel), and Palestinians lack this right due to their ethnicity. And it’s not like the settlers are peaceful cohabitants. The Jordanians’ injustice doesn’t justify the Israeli occupation.
The only state/country that has any claim to the West Bank is Israel under International Law. The law of *Uti Possidetis Juris* is the way new states are created. There has Never been a Palestinian State or country in all of History. The Jewish state was approved by Unanimous vote of the League of Nations in 1922 when the Mandate of Palestine was created to *_"reconstitute the Jewish homeland in the Area of Palestine"_*
there are 2 million arab citizens in Israel. not one million.
They're really bad with their research they screwed up on that and by claiming that Arab attacks on you started in 1920 when there were multiple massacres in the 1800s in places like Hebron
@@nonebusiness2023 there were anti semitic attack since the Jewish diaspora but that's not the case right now.
@@nonebusiness2023
Can you provide the specific year and specifics of the Herbron massacre in the 1800s?
@@johns22
1773 or 1775 blood libel dozens of jews killed
The 1834 Hebron massacre occurred in early August 1834 12-40 jews killed (depends on sources)
theres an other smaller one that happened before 1929 one cant find happened somewere between around 1800s
further in 1700-1800 multiple recorded murders in Hebron of jews also further .
@@nonebusiness2023
"The 1834 Hebron massacre occurred in early August 1834 12-40 jews killed (depends on sources) "
Who was the aggressor? Was it the Palestinians?
Who were the main target of aggression? Were they the Jews?
Who suffered the overwhelming share of the casualties? Were they the Jews?
While we are still on the topic, who were the majority inhabitants of Hebron by far at that time? Were they the Jews? What was the origin of the Jews of Hebron in the 18th century? Were they descendants of the ancient Jews who never left Hebron?
Will the human right watch acusse islamic countries of appartheid against their non muslim minorities which is actually true apartheid....
The difference is religious oppression and ethnic cleansing. Both horrible but the second one is what makes it apartheid.
@@Anne-zt2dz what happened to Kurds, yazidis?
@@Anne-zt2dz Where do you see ethnic cleaning? And what's the difference between religious cleaning?
@Mujtaba Gillani Every single islamic country as per their sharial law non muslim minorities are considered second class citisens and dont have the same rights like the muslims do ,second proof for apartheid in islamic countries is treatment of women who are segregated and oppressed....
@Mujtaba Gillani I lived in a islamic country....And visited few others....Segregation of women ,persecutuion of non muslim minorities i witnessed it all ....
@4:43 - When was the last time the Palestinians held an election?
A long time lmao
More importantly, why didn't they have an election for so long?
Mainly because of internal political disagreements. Don't forget that hamas, a recognised terrorist org., is also very much a part of all this.
I wonder y let’s see maybe israel occupation legit last week israel tried to make Abbas cancel them an occupation shouldn’t have a right on it’s opressed elections
@@petarjovanovic1481 Where on Earth do you get that? Arab Israelis DO vote in Israeli elections, they have voted in previous Palestinian elections AND they will vote in the upcoming Palestinian elections, just google up "Jerusalem Arabs to participate in Palestinian elections".
Not knowing is ok, but not willing to know, that's stupidity, and it's dangerous.
There have always been Arab parties and Arab Knesset members.
Granted, it's not enough just to be able to get elected, because there have never been an Arab party in the government, but at least Israel is truly democratic, and the elections are held properly, which gives the Arab population a chance to be represented and so on...
The music makes this propaganda so much worse and unbearable.
The video omits a lot of facts. Just like the fact that separate type of IDs are issues for Jewish Israelis and non Jewish Israelis. These ids determines what rights you will have. Another fact, half the population in Jerusalem are denied citizenship because they’re not Jews. Israel is the controlling authority over the whole territory, but in territories where majority are not Jews, you have segregated roads and separate legal system. One of the population that perceives itself as the superior race, the other for the race treated as inferior.
So how 2 million Arabs get citzneship in Israel? 1.2 million of them stay in Israel after 48 war.
How therr are Arabs representatives in the parliament of Israel? How they can be above jews and make laws for jews? How Arabs can be commander and boss of jews?
The pa you talk about Israel offer them in 1948 israeli id they refuse it but still Israel give them residents rights they can travel, work, get and even give medical care to jews (my family doctor she is Palestinian) and they get social care and insurance from israel.
There id is belong to country name Palestine it was created in 1967 qfter Israel was free Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria fro. Jordan in war.
You really don't know what you talk about.
Israel need to care about he own citznes Palestinian in west Bank and gaza are Palestinians citznes!!
In aprtahid no Arabs can be above jewa, Palestinian are just Arabs that take a new identity in 1967.
And still by the peace accords in 1995 Israel let them work, travel and get medical care in israel, israrl and Palestine is 2 states 2 Counties on the same land.
If we talk about aprtahid why jews can't live in ramhalla, beit lehem, janin, nablus ecs, not to live not travel and don't work??
Its aprtahid right? NO CAUSE THIS IS COUTNRY NAME PALESTINE AND ISRAEL IS A DIFFERENT COUNTRY
Wrong. There are no separate ids for non Jews in Israel. If there where why would there be Arab parties in the Israeli parliament? Where there black parties in the South African parliament? The people in Jerusalem are not “denied” citizenship. They refused citizenship offered many times by Israeli government. Israeli checkpoints and walls are not separation there boundaries between Isreal and the pa. Just like checkpoints along any other border in the world. Have you ever been to Israel? I suggest you go there and ask the people no one in Israel considers themselves “above” the Palestinians
That's like saying the fact US citizens have a US passport, and Canadian citizens have a Canadian passport proves apartheid. Of course, those under PA control, have a PA justice system, and PA IDs.
@@okyes5671 I suggest YOU go to Israel and see how in some areas Palestinians are not allowed to even walk down certain streets, where foreigners and Jews can. How is it that a Palestinian born in Jerusalem is denied the right to visit from abroad while someone who’s Jewish (not even ethnically Hebrew…as the vast majority aren’t or even a practicing Jew) can easily show up to Israel and be given citizenship? You should see the petty harassment and contempt Palestinians face at the hands of Jews. Right now, many Jews are even calling for a “final solution” for Gaza. At least, there are some decent Jews who speak up against Israel.
As a black South African, the division between Arabs and Israelis hurts my heart. It may not be the exact same circumstances that black, Indian and mixed race South Africans had to endure, but the discrimination and judgement based on ethnicity produces the same result. Division. “Apart-hood”. Any sect or group that is discriminated against based on ethnicity is a form of apartheid. Don’t minimize Apartheid by picking on detail of ethnicity rather than race. Discrimination is discrimination.
So "Kill the Boer" therefore "Kill the Jew?"
The Jews were originally buying what was considered the least desirable land. At ridiculous prices making the Arab landowners extremely rich.
In the Middle to late 1800´s this land was devoid of people.
Mark Twain and many other people who visited wrote about it.
Including the Arabs living in the Levant.
All the towns and places of old having crumbled to dust was the exact phrase the ottoman ruler of the time said.
After ww1 this Ottoman Empire was crumbling and the ruler sent two populations from around 🇹🇷 To populate the area.
This was a reaction to the British n French dickheaded colonial meddling into the levant.(I use this neutral old name for the area as it has national ambiguity).
He wanted to Arabize the region to combat the influx of Jews escaping persecution in Europe.
Arab pride was already stinging from their loss of Empire status after ww1 and there was a rise of militias and infighting for the power vacuum.
This plus Britian promises the land to at least 4 different peoples.
There is a crazy sheik who leads several attempts to drive the Jews out of land that the bought.
They did not steal anything at this point. Britain is unable to squash this uprising of Arabs.
In the beginning it was Arab Aggression.
They ask the newly formed UN to step in. They do.
They decide to create a 2 state system with the Arab population getting 75% of the land and the Jews getting a small and mostly barren 25%. The Arabs get practically all the good land. Everything green and fertile other than a few places in the desert that were being slowly turned green by Jewish hard work and ingenuity.
The Arabs said no.
They don’t want peace.
The entire Arab population said no. They started to kill and persecute Jews in Arab lands all around the Arab nations.
The Jews were escaping persecution in Europe and suddenly had to escape persecution in 90% of Islamic lands with a small few notable exceptions. This created another mass immigration to The levant.
The Arab nations said that they were going to wipe out the Jews.
Many Arabs were told to leave their homes because it was all out war. The Jews at the time often pleaded with their neighbors to stay. The dictates of Jihad do not allow Muslims freedom of thought though do they? If you quit it’s a death Sentence, this it truth.
Apostates are to be killed.
The Arab forces lost.
The areas that supported the Arab attempt to kill all Jews were subdued and those are the areas that had the population pushed out. Strategic importance places.
It’s survival at this point and an absolute miracle that the Jews are still alive.
They declare independence.
The un brokers a new deal. The Arabs say no.
This time 8 Arab nations get involved to wipe Israel off the map. Miracle again.
Israel wins.
This time they take the Gotland heights because it is strategically necessary and the Sinai because Egypt was a little bitch.
The cries for death to Israel have never stopped.
They teach it to their toddlers.
They never stopped attacking Jews.
They still talk of slitting the throats of their children.
Have you even seen their pro martyrs propaganda on tv and in their music?
Over the years in this horrible situation the people of Israel have given land back as a move towards reconciliation.
Every time the Arab population uses it as a launching pad for the next jihad.
This portofrei responsibility is almost never mentioned in western media.
If you don’t research deeply you would never know.
The Palestinians have been horribly used by the other Arab nations. They were never granted any form of citizenship by any Arab nations.
They are used as human shields.
They are sacrificial lambs in the name of Islamic pride.
The works tries to help and has givin billions in aid to help our Palestinian brothers and sisters and the money is always diverted to more military and terrorist activities while the Palestinians live in squalor.
A martyr assembly belt churning out bodies in a suicidal infantile rage against a lost cause based upon false narratives.
I know for a fact that Israel would have let you live in peace if you stopped killing their children.
That was decades ago.
Now you are pushing them into no longer wanting to give you another chance.
And the truth?
Why should they?
You want to destroy them.
You don’t want them as neighbors.
And you are willing to die to prove it. You will even get honored because your culture loves martyrs above peacemakers.
I have read the entire Koran several times.
It’s a book of peace.
Until the end.
And the end is war.
And the end supersedes.
That is why the Palestinians are committing suicide for the tell-lie-vision.
Look at us😭
Victim 😥
Never any accountability..
It’s not even on the Radar of your culture. You are immune to empathy as a whole.
Not everyone. I know peaceful beautiful Muslims.
But as a whole. You are war.
Until we are all under the yoke, right? It’s definitely in your book.
@@VajrahahaShunyata When Grand Sheriff Hussain called a jihad on the Ottomans, what Palestinian came as Jews from though out the Middle East to join Sheriff Faisel 's army? Palestinians are Turks. Maybe Israel should recognise Kurdistan.
The Jew isn’t even supposed to have a country till their messiah comes. So no it isn’t truth.
@@VajrahahaShunyata
The moment that you don’t mention the Balfour declaration and the saix pico accord, it means you have no idea what your talking about.
The examples this video gives connected to apartheid are a problem in Israel proper.
Intermarriage: Since religious government authorities control marriages, Jews cannot marry non Jews without one of them converting or going abroad. If a Jew tries to convert, the religious government authority makes it difficult and these people are often contacted by "anti-assimilation" groups.
Jobs: Since Palestinians with Israeli citizenship don't get drafted, they are barred from jobs that require high government clearance like being pilots for example.
Different land: The Israeli government gives preference to Jewish farmers who have more access to land despite Palestinians with Israeli citizenship being more likely to live in rural areas. The government is also less likely to approve building permits for them.
Besides this, Israel is very clear that it will profile people for security checks so even in Israel proper Arab citizens are more scrutinized by security.
"If a Jew tries to convert, the religious government authority makes it difficult and these people are often contacted by "anti-assimilation" groups." Name a single israeli Jew who's been contacted by an "anti-assimilation group".
@@GeoffSh4rt I searched online and found an article in two seconds about Lehava. They contact people's families if someone is dating a Palestinian. They mentioned Matan Amichai sending people's information to the group. They also mentioned a police officer who was contacted.
@@GeoffSh4rtSaying Israel is not apartheid because of SA is like saying the Armenian genocide was not a thing because of what Germany did. Lehava is not a government authority but many government officials contact them. I know of someone whose teacher told Lehava about something to their parent and it caused a lot of issues for her. They don't just talk to girls. They also contact their families and get them into physical harm.
Palestinians don't often volunteer for the army and when they do, they are often denied. Look at the percentage of farmers by race and who has more land. One of the stated goals of the Israeli land authority is to give more land to Jews.
@@stevenv6463 You seem to think that ANY form of discrimination against a minority group warrants the epithet 'apartheid'. In that case you must think that the UK is an apartheid state because it certainly discriminates against Jews and other non-Anglicans. The national flag, for example, has a ruddy great cross; it doesn't have a star of David. High ranking members of the Anglican clergy have an automatic entitlement to sit in the legislature. The same right is not accorded to Jews. Christian festivals are national holidays; Jewish fewstivals aren't. Is that aprtheid? If not, why not?
Name a government official who contacted Lehava - and by 'government official' I mean someone in a position of power, able to influence government policy. And the official Lehava website makes clear that they only contact girls.
Israeli Arabs, I repeat, are enlisting in ever increasing numbers - and they're reaching very high positions. Check out this statement. Apartheid is all about legally enforced discrimination. If Jews have more land, what is the legal basis? Is it conceivable that they have more land simply because they're richer? And I copied this from Wikipedia.
Israel Land Authority’s functions
According to the Amendment 7 (2009) of the Israel Land Administration Law (1960), ILA’s functions are as follows.
Allocation of land for housing, affordable housing, public housing, employment, open space allotments and for other purposes in locations and amounts required for the needs of economy, society and environment, including future needs;
Land acquisition and land expropriation for the state according to the law, primarily for environmental purposes;
Protection of rights of land owners in Israel;
Promotion of registration of real estate rights in the Land books of Israel;
Provision of services to the landholders in Israel as required for management and implementation of their rights;
Publication of information about Israeli lands, including details on agreements made by the Authority regarding lands it manages, and data on the availability of planned Israeli lands for development and maintenance of open space territory;
Any other function related to the Israel land management imposed upon it by law or by any governmental decision.
Where, outside of your Israel-hating imagination, can you find "one of the stated goals of the Israeli land authority is to give more land to Jews."
@@GeoffSh4rt First you say any Israeli Jew who was contacted and now you say any government official. What will you say next? It is only apartheid if Netanyahu called them. Why does every single Israeli argue this way?
Also I don't care what is on your flag or anyone else's.
Wasn't it President Jimmy Carter who introduced the concept of apartheid as it applies to Israel? I remember hearing that he said that the title of his book "Peace, not Apartheid" wasn't meant literally, but was only meant to be provocative. The concept caught on like wildfire, however, around the world.
@Tarna Motato Did you mean "biased"? If so, I agree with you.
@Tarna Motato Easier said than done, as there is a lot of blame to go around, not only to the Israelis, but also to the Palestinian leaders who lie to their public and divert foreign aid to weapons and Swiss bank accounts.
Yeah, I was disgusted with him & will never forgive him, especially since,when he was called on it, he never took it back.
No it wasn’t it was first used by Hendrik Verwoerd the architect of South Africa apartheid. There also has been numerous Israeli PMs that have said that Israel would become a an Apartheid state long before Carters book.
No you are wrong multiple Israeli PMs said that Israel was heading towards apartheid long before Jimmy Carter wrote that book. Nelson Mandela famous aparttide anti-apartheid Activist from South Africa called it apartheid before him. I believe it was a white South African president in the 70s that was the first person to call Israel an apartheid state.
One million arab citizens ?? Try 2 million... and I am a pround one of them. Proud of both. Being an Israeli and being a distinctly levantene arab.
You are correct! This was an error on our part that we missed during the review process for all our videos.
1.6 million or so
@@Nehmi no. 2 million.
do u think that your ancestors, were once jews who converted centuries ago?
@@coreyslater2801
Ancestry is an opposite tree. It gets more complex as you go further back.
Yes it's possible.
a lot of missing missing reasons in this video
2.1 million Arabs in israel not 1 million
There are actually 2 million Arabs and Arabs currently hold 20 seats in the 120 seat Kneset.
There should be ~24 but 20 is pretty close
Who should i believe: Amnesty International, a world renowned human rights organization, or a clearly biased propaganda channel? Amnesty International tells me it is apartheid and you tell me its not
You should look at the facts, not just the name on the label.
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@@UNPACKED are you guys recognize in the world in the same tier as what people describe and the guy said " a world renowned human rights organization"?😂
But the question is why Israel has occupied so much land of Palestine?
You mean all the West Bank part? Israel took it in the six days war from Jordan(Israel wasn't the one attacking first); it was a countermeasure.
Each time Israel withdrew a little from some parts, they got dozens and hundreds of suicide bombers. Look at Gaza; Israel has nothing to do with it. There Isn't a single jew in there. Yet, Israel still get missiles flying at it.
@@mugivamv3396 I mean right from 1948 what was Israel's size and what's now. Am a neutral though
@@xyan819 So...? Israel hasn't started any of its wars. Whether its territory increased or not - what does it have to do with anything? Perhaps you expect the attacked side to say, "Ah, here my friend, your territories back. Let's just forget you wanted to destroy."
Plus, Israel has given some territories back for peace agreements - Jordan and Egypt for example.
@@xyan819 the jewish state and arab state territories were described in 1947. The jews agreed to the un's two state solution establishing israel in 1948, the arabs rejected that offer and instead started a war. Right after the establishment of Israel, syria jordan egypt and others invaded israel seeking its destruction but lost the war Israel gained territory due to that war.
In 1967 another war took place, this time Israelis were sure they're gonna lose but the idf successfully invaded egypt and managed to triple its size.
after that another war took place in 1973 place against egypt and others and in the end Israel returned the entire sinai peninsula that's 3 times bigger than its actual size for peace with egypt.
Long story short every time Israel has gained territory, it was because of wars and Israel has never started a war unless it had to.
Its not israels fault that the arabs keep on losing wars
Jordan controlled Judea , Samaria and Eastern Jerusalem for 19 years , why didn't they " return " some of the " occupied land" to " its rightful owners" ?
Actually the security wall is only 5 percent of the border , the border is a fence
The border is nothing more than a demarcation of two different societies as well
@@seanpermann5570 And Palestinians can go checkpoints freely as long as they don't carry something to attack with
Didn't Nelson Mandela say Israel is an apartheid state
Yes indeed, he said South Africa will never fully be free until the Palestiniansare free
No, he did not.
@@Wind-oh-Wishp yes him and Desmond tutu both said it
@@Wind-oh-Wishp and Israel were best buds with the apartheid south africa
@@Wind-oh-Wishp you dumb he said it. easily can be searched on the internet
Didnt you guys institute a nation state law or something? Enough with this BS
what are you talking about?
@@midwestinyomouth I think he may mean a law a while back that Israel in principle is a Jewish Democratic state. The law has no teeth, it was more an official declaration. Much like the UK's "official" religion is the Church of England, it's a declaration, not an enforceable law that requires conversion or expulsion.
the first law ever established in the Palestinian authority claiming Palestine is a nation state
their flag represents Islam and pan Arabism, most flags in the world represent the nation, most countries in the world are nation states, but they can still be democracies and respect all human rights as Sweden, Denmark and Finland are all nation states
but when its about Jews it makes them crazy because they lived for years as the strong oppressors and the Quran promotes them to control the lives of the Jews.
@@ItayAI Well IIRC there is a law, I'm not sure if it's the Quran or just general Muslim law under the old caliphate that a. all land that, once owned by Muslims, is forever Muslim and cannot ever be ceded to a non-Muslim and b. all other religions are inferior to Islam and must declare subservience. In the old caliphate, Jews and Christian shad to pay a fealty tax that Muslims did not. The Jews were given a yellow start to show they had paid that tax. This is from where the Nazi's got their yellow Juden stars idea. Christians also had a symbol to show they'd paid the tax, but IDR what it was.
The giving up land thing is still very much part of Palestinians law. In Area B, Muslims are by PA law NOT allowed to sell land to Jews. The penalty is up to and including death, though I don't believe the death penalty had ever been applied in such a case, but Muslims selling land to Jews is severely punished.
Doesn't affect birth citizenship. It's a statement of opposition to those who want to flood Israel with foreign Arabs.
4:43 No apartheid cus they govern themselves... Exept when there are also Jewish people who don’t feel safe.
So you agree? You agree that Jewish people in Israel have an ethnic superiority by law... Like apartheid.
Bantustans also governed themselves in South Africa.
Yet, Israel still manages all aspects of their lives and like Apartheid South Africa they split and close the freedom of movement of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.
@@alvarez6487 killed a Boer.
What superiority? Tell me,or you're lying.
@@alvarez6487 Bullshit. Why should Israel be the ONLY country who has to NOT have a secure border? Is Canada "apartheid" for not letting Americans in & out of the border at will? It's HAMAS who *manage every aspect of their lives* - get a fucking clue!
Israeli telling a Palestinian; “if I don’t steal your house someone else will”.
This guy certainly knew that the laws were in his favour, so that 1 min video debunk your entire video
He's not Israeli.
fake al Jazeera propaganda the Jews in sheikh jarrah owned their houses in the 19th century the Palestinians stole it during the Jordanian occupation
This propaganda conveniently forgots the part that area C covers 60% of the WB and only 18% of the WB has partial autonomy of Palestinianian governance.
and in area c their is no paliestnians they are in area a+b
Yeah but basically No one lives in the "c" area
only it does by pointing out that something like 95% of the Palestinians live in areas A and B why do you care who rules a mostly empty land?
@@AlbatrossCommando bc it has resources
Bringing a South African to validate the legtitimacy of this video doesn't make it objective. Let's call it segregation of Palestinians instead of apartheid. Does it make it better?
Then they are gonna bring an old school American Segregationist saying it's not true segregation
How is it segragation . Prove ur claim
@@mikihay Roads built only for use of the Jewish settlers, maintaining a 60/40 Jewish majority in Jerusalem, even Human Rights Watch called it an apartheid so please educate yourself through reliable sources before talking, because i can keep on talking about the segregation
It makes it less of an anti Israeli propaganda so yes. Anyways, I don't know where you're from but I doubt your country will let terrorists move freely within it's borders. If they're so innocent, why wouldn't their Egyptian brothers and sisters let them in through their shared border with Gaza? Or maybe Jordan? Same reason we don't.
@@yali2926 Fun fact: The IDF was founded on militia groups that were trained by the British mandate, but then these groups turned on them and started "resisting" the British mandate by performing terrorist acts to kill both British soldiers and Palestinians (The Hagana, Ergon dunno how it's spelled sorry). If the foundation of a whole army is based on militia terrorists, then I doubt your argument still stands.
I'm new to the Palestinian/Israel topic, as an American that previously didn't pay attention to it because it seemed too neverending snd complicated. But now I am looking for fair and factual information. I just saw a recent video about "apartheid in Israel" and now I'm watching this one which seeks to dispute the claims. I have some questions and comments:
1) this video insinuates in the graphic that the origin of attacks were largely from West Bank and the places of attack were largely towards the cities along the shore thus the wall is justified, for security reasons. But... that doesn't make sense to me because missiles can fly over walls; people do not. So it makes more sense to me that the wall is meant to separate (or isolate) people first and foremost.
2) Israelis are accused of land grabs and Palestinian displacement. So if Area C (blue), which you've said is Israeli led administration and security, is the *_majority of land_* in West Bank, then why does the fact that 90% of Palestinians are within Area A (red) & B (yellow) combined, matter with regards to the accusation of land grabbing? The map just tells me the vast majority of West Bank land is under Israeli control and Palestinians are crammed into smaller red areas. Red areas that aren't even contiguous. So unless they're Israeli citizens (which most Arabs aren't) their mobility is negatively affected and their rights reduced the moment they leave one red area (enter a yellow or blue area) just to travel to another red area. I don't know, guys... this map doesn't help in disputing accusations of apartheid. It... kinda confirms it.
@DKGames
1) Thanks for responding. Hmm, I have many more questions now. (Sorry if my questions are amateur). So the wall is for the purpose of Israelis controlling which non-Israeli Arabs can leave West Bank and enter Israel? Ok.
1a) Do those restrictions apply only to non-Israeli Arabs or non-israeli people in general (regardless of race or ethnicity)? I'm wondering if discrimination is based on ethnicity or nationality.
1b) Ok, if West Bank is considered eastern Israel and those non-Israeli Arabs have lived there for generations or their whole life, why are they not Israeli citizens? They're not Palestinian citizens. They're not Jordanian citizens. They're not Israeli citizens. It sounds like they're stateless.
1c) Since West Bank is just eastern part of Isreal, are *_no restrictions_* placed on Israeli citizens in West bank? For example, are Israelis allowed to live/work/travel anywhere in Israel including West Bank? And if non-Israeli Arabs aren't Israeli citizens, does that mean they're *_not allowed_* to work/live/travel anywhere? If so, how is this not apartheid??
@DKGames
2) Ok, so you're saying Palestinians weren't pushed into the red Area A's over time, they simply were living there the whole time. And the blue Area C's were free for the taking. So the Israelis claimed that land.
2a) But what about the spaces in between the red areas? If the Israelis took over those spaces, that's restricting access they previously had to each other in different red areas, since they're not contiguous.
2b) They previously had free access to the Mediterranean Sea, too, including Gaza strip. Now that's limited.
2c) It sounds like the Israeli rationale is "the land where your home is not built on is not privately owned by you". So the vast blue Area C which was previously shared public space is no longer public nor shared. This does sound like land-grabbing.
2d) There are over 2 million Palestinian Arabs living in West Bank, but 90% of them live in the small areas A and B. Yet the video says there's about 300,000 Jews living in the larger blue area C. This means for majority of Palestinians there's a little land for a lot of people but for Jews, there's a lot of land for few people.
Sorry, I know it's a lot of questions.
@DKGames
1a) Ok, so restrictions into/out of West Bank are applied on basis of nationality; or should I say... on the basis of NON-nationality, non-Israeli nationality. So are non-Israeli Jews ever restricted? Do we find the vast majority of those restricted non-Israeli's are Arab? By "these specific areas" do you mean *_all_* of West Bank; or just parts of it, like red and yellow Areas A and B.
1b) Well that's good if the Palestinians have the option to become Israeli citizens. That would at least give them a nationality/citizenship as opposed to being stateless. But why aren't they automatically Israeli citizens by virtue of having been born in that land, which is now part of Israel. As in: they were Jordanian citizens, and now they're Israeli citizens with full Israeli rights.
1c) By "these areas" do you mean only Areas A, within West Bank? Because the video showed that Israelis do indeed live in West Bank; Especially in Area C, where they outnumber the Palestinians. Ok, Palestinians can go in and out of Area A, but can they go in and out of West Bank to work, live & build, and travel? Even though Israeli's can't go in and out of Area A, they can go in and out of West Bank to work/live/travel, right?
Black South Africans weren't citizens of South Africa but of their respective Bantustan.
Maybe try something different.
And only one country in the world actually gave legitimacy to those bantustans by recognising them as independent countries and letting them establish embassies. That country was Israel. The video forgets they were Apartheid South Africa's closest ally.
Thats simply not true.
@@theklorg305 Maybe a little education.
You do realize that by calling the west bank a Bantustan you're implicitly saying that its rightful Israeli land right? it can't be both a Bantustan who's "citizens" are actually the citizens of the country to which the land belongs to and its own independent organization.
This isn't even bringing up how the PLO is widely recognized by the international community unlike the Bantustan governments and how as the video points out this agreement was reached in cooperation with the Palestinians.
@@amerikiwi8343 Good point.
This is ridiculous and painful to watch, protecting its citizens? Can you tell me how many thousands have died since 2000?
terrorists? some of them exploded themselves as a suicide bombers? this is not my problem
Fishy to ask... Why Israel also gave full military support to apartheid South Africa those time? I mean look at every, some, South African equipment in which they are Israeli origin as well the blueprint design. Does it look so fishy if 'non Apartheid' Israel gave a lot of support to a extreme racist South Africa at the time?
It also supports post apartheid South Africa
I’ve stopped listening to and responding to anyone who accuses Israel of apartheid.
@FREE MILO , you mean like the Syrians, Jordanians and Lebanese ? - what do you mean you've never heard of black September ? , you were do so well until now !!!! ( NOT )
@Eli C Israel is a terrorist country let alone being an apartheid one. Long live hell for the cruels!!!
I have to tell you that the reason for why you do that looks a lot like cognitive dissonance
6:05 Considering themselves 'God's chosen people' in the Bible isn't superiority over the Arabs?
It's a pact with God. But, you literally - according to the Torah - don't need to be Jewish to be good and virtuous. You could, in practice, simply follow Noah's 7 commandments without converting. Being 'chosen' isn't inherently a favorable position.
Deuteronomy book 7 has the Abrahamic God clearly placing the people of Israel over all the other nationalities in the region, don't tell me they're not considered to be in a favorable position relative to other nationalities:
Deuteronomy 7:1 'When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful than you.'
Deuteronomy 7:6 'For you are a holy people to the Lord, your God: the Lord your God has chosen you to be His treasured people, out of all the peoples upon the face of the earth.'
Just to note, I'm an atheist that believes this is all superstitious bullshit, but am more than happy to live and let live so long as you don't try to enforce your beliefs on other people.
@@Qualex14 You are just repeating a medieval anti-Semitic slander. Disgusting.
Chosen to uphold the bible and the laws God wrote in it, no other nation needed to do so, that is all we were chosen for.
no one said anything about being superior- that is on you gentiles feeling inferior and stealing our religion
@joshua c because of the transltion of the 70
No it's not, this is their land. Long live Israel ❤❤❤🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇨🇦
No it’s not there land
Amnesty international called out Israel for being an apartheid state. That’s all what needs to be said
And they are wrong. checkpoints and walls had to be built to protect Israelis from constant bombardment coming from Palestinians and their allies who do not want Jews anywhere near them and who call for Jews to be exterminated. Don’t be fooled by Hamas propaganda and left wing propagandists. I am a die hard liberal and supporter of Israel.
@@Mouse01011 The invasion and hostage taking in October by Hamas was an act of terrorism. What is telling is Israeli leaders describing it as their 9/11, their pearl harbor, as an attack out of nowhere and a clear break from normal. Normal for Israeli's is living in a developed first-world democracy, with one of the worlds most advanced militaries and missile defense systems . It sells itself as a holiday destination. It was a break with normal them. Normal is the West Bank facing the indignity of occupation and the piecemeal theft of land. Normal is Gaza being one of the largest concentrations of people becoming increasingly nonviable as a independent state as it is blocked from developing, whose terrorised population did indeed turn to a violent and antidemocratic organisation. Normal is ineffectual rocket fire being met with bombardment; suicidal terrorism with regular terrorism. Normal is thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children under administrative detention. Israeli's dying at rates normally reserved for Palestinians is indeed a tragedy.
There doesn't seem to be an acceptable response for the Palestinians other than to get with the programme and give up their land or die already. I would ideally point out to Palestinians that Israel is doing this to them and not Jews in general, but can you really fault them for accepting Israel's own rhetoric which equates the two, or that dismisses criticism of Israel as antisemitism? Isn't it the slightest bit gross to say "these people want to exterminate us" as you bomb Gaza once again to rubble? Some of Hamas' rhetoric and stated aspirations are vile , as vile as what Israel is practicing.
Palestinians are an inconvenient people, who live in land earmarked for the Jewish homeland. Arabs paying for the sins of Europe. However pressing the need for a Jewish homeland, whoever was the initial aggressor, Israel decisively won this war a long time ago. It is like a person standing on the neck of another still ineffectually flailing at their legs with a knife, insisting they have no choice because if they get off obviously they'd attack them. Instead picking they pockets, and taking the flare up in hostility in response to this as further evidence of their unreasonableness. At some point you can either cease your hostility and indeed comprise your commitment to your security in the hope of peace, or just commit and crush their windpipe.
@@Mouse01011 two tier justice system on civilians, roads and places that is forbidden to be entered by a non-jew on Israel, continued illegal settlements on OPT and other violations committed by Zionsists and their current government. It is apartheid you in denial knowing it to be true
This is pure propaganda with the narrator reinforcing the point ".. so this isn't apartheid" several times 🙄 no ones believing it anymore
I hope you get sued for a defamation crime and hate speech, Israel gives full right to all its citizens, you just write "propaganda, no one believes" and you dont give any argumentation
@@LuisDiuk FACTS
@@islammaynul9322 LIES
@@LuisDiuk so you’re telling me your comment is a lie, ok
@@islammaynul9322 You prove yourself to be a narcissist manipulating the verbal linguistics. First comment says "this is propaganda", then I comment to this denouncing it because it just calls the video propaganda without actually providing any argument. And then you come and say "facts" to which I answer you "lies". You expose yourself as defamator, narcissist and manipulator
4:40
_"As a result of the Oslo Accords, Palestinians largely govern themselves, and vote to elect leaders of the Palestinian Authority government."_
The premise of Apartheid was to create a separation of the races.
An _"apart-hood"_ where each ethnic group would be separated from greater South Africa, and be confined in areas or lands specifically designated for that ethnic group.
These lands or "ethnic designations" were called _"Bantustans"_ and in these areas, Black people were told that these were their homelands, and they were allowed to (as you said), _"...govern themselves, and vote to elect leaders..."_ .
Let me continue...
4:50
_"Israeli laws don't actually apply to much if the West Bank, except for certain areas with greater security risks or higher Jewish populations"_
In these *_Bantustans_* some had the priveleges like *_"Area C"_* in Israel had -they were self-governing.
But the majority were *_"Area As and Bs"_* in that the Apartheid government had some control over them.
Aside from this, there were areas once more designated for Black South Africans, called _"Townships"_ .
These areas were the _"...areas of greater security risks..."_ that you mentioned, and were thus in the complete control of the South African government, and their inhabitants were subject to various restrictions and even curfews.
One of the most hated of those controls was that inhabitants of these townships were not allowed to leave these areas with a _"pass"_ , which Black people had to have them at all times otherwise they would be imprisoned.
They were also denied any access to live any else in South Africa except for the areas that they were forced to live in.
All this echoes the same restrictions that Israel imposes on the Palestinians in the West Bank, thus making Israel's current enforcement of this system, an Apartheid one.
You can try to justify your actions in the Occupied West Bank, but you CANNOT deny that Israel has enforced Apartheid in order to deal with your perceived problems in that region.
in conclusion, Israel is an Apartheid state. In its entirety.
You do know it's the Arab muslims who want a ethnic religious state- Palestine, and not Israel who has equal rights for its non Jewish citizens?
You are so beyond biased your antisemitism is showing
@@xoxlove6101 israel does not have equal rights for non jews. In its laws it says it is the state of the jews. Also palestinians who live in parts of israel that are not occupied have less rights and can not move free or vote
@@xoxlove6101
You do realise that Israel is an ethno-religious state too right?
When you have OFFICIAL LEGAL policy saying that in Jerusalem, they want 60% Jews and 40% non-Jews.
Your Zionism is showing.
And don't equate my criticism of an Jewish Apartheid regime with hatred towards Jewish people.
I have never hated Jewish people in my entire life.
But I have always hated ethno-nationalists like the Zionists who run Israel.
Are A and B are not Bantustans because they are independent and not part of Israel. They world wiews them as The State of Palestine.
While "Bantustans" in South Africa were self governt but they were controled and were part of South Africa.
And in South Africa blacks wanted to coexist with whites in the country as a hole while palestinians wanted to live in a country separated from Israel. Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza don't even wannna be part of Israel.
@@ytbgamer9380 Does Palestine has equal rights for Jews? If Palestine was a country would it allow Jews to vote? Why does it seem so obvious to people that Israel has to be a bi ethnic state and Palestine will be a Muslim state?
I grew up in South Africa so I understand apartheid and what I see in Isreal is not apartheid. The views that I hear of apartheid in South Africa are also quite distorted. It wasn't created because whites viewed themselves as superior, it was because they believed everybody should be separate, that’s why people were classified as Indian, Black etc. This was the reason that the homelands were created. Most people see the release of Nelson Mandela as the watershed moment, it wasn't, apartheid was mostly over long before the 1990s but the laws were still in place. I studied with both Blacks and Indians in the 1980s, who ironically qualified before me because I was required to do two years national service whereas they weren't. Apartheid wasn't right and that's why most of South Africa voted for change. It is important to report the truth because in so many cases the narrative is wrong but it's used effectively as a weapon.
This is the case for Israel, there is no apartheid in Israel, but this word is so powerful and it's being used against the Israelis. Why is "from the river to the sea" not being seen as both genocide and apartheid, but Israel's actions in defending themselves are? Let's not forget that the slogan implies complete annihilation of the Jews - genocide, and a piece of land where there will be no Jews - apartheid.
Well, Nelson Mandela saw it as an apartheid, but I guess he is no expert on what an apartheid looks like so we will just ignore him.
your a legend
He is no expert on what Israel/ Palestine looks like, so yeah
@@roeebn5809 He's an expert on what it means to be the victim of an oppressor state, and that is why he could relate to the people of the State of Palestine who are being oppressed by the zionists.
source: trust me bro
@@sardar388 still not valid because he has such small grasp on the actuallity of things here lol.
I can send send you quotes from fighters against racism that mean nothing too. For example, Martin Luther king said "Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality". What is security for Israel? The wall that protects Israeli civilians and was built after the second intifada. The checkpoints between the borders of Judea and Samaria or the blockade of Gaza that aims to limit transference of arms to hamas.
This is so damn biased, it's sickening.
Anti-Jewish racists don't like facts. Nothing new.
@ the old anti-semite victim card. I'm not even talking about jewish people, you idiot. I'm talking about Israel's policies. If you consider yourself entitled to evict a palestinian from their house and settle there; if you think you desrve more rights as a citizen than a palestinian; if you agree with blockading their land, expand yours, annex what's is not your land, you are the racist one. Psychological projection won't be enough.
@ Most of the religious Jews don't even recognise Israel
@@redstream1237 If you are talking about Neturei Karta guys, they are surely not "most of the religious Jews". Their numbers are really small.
@ boo. Say that to yourself. Don't call other people racist when you're the one that racist.
Absolutely! Why ask questions you know the answers to?
I'm an American, I have lots of European Jewish friends, i honestly don't know very many Palestenians....i have always supported jewish people.... i am against the Nazis and KkK and other anti jewish groups.
HOWEVER, it seems like Israel has become an aparthied state.... reminds me of south africa and the displacement of native americans on to reservations.......I can not continue to stand i solidarity with these EVIL acts of oppression and genocide!!!
I'm curious if you did basic research to arrive to your claims . Without googling :
By what percent (% ) did the Palestinian population shrink (get smaller) since the formation of Israel (1948) .
Formula : ("population at 1948" - "current population" )/ "population at 1948" %
Thank you for this.
I just shared in the comments of an UN* video which I saw about Israel being an apartheid state without no real sources to proof it...
It's crystal clear you can't compare what's happened in South Africa with the situation of Israel.
So a man from gaza can freely walk into tel aviv as freely as an Israeli citezens from tel aviv can move around?
@@TheBigThinker944 as long as he isn't a danger for *the people living there * I think yes.
Oh, also... isn't there a board crossing? like for example I'm from Moldova & we have a board crossing between Moldova & Transnistria which is a separatist zone... it declares itself being autonomous (we also have such an autonomus territory in the south of the country called UTAG where Gagausians live that has it's own leader called a Bashcan) isn't kinda like the same in Gaza & West Bank? Idk...
For example I was once in Transnistria, people from there have their own kind of passport, kinda like Soviet kind, currency and when we pass there is a check for strangers coming in, it's pretty strict getting in there... ik nothing about the other Autonomus Region which as I said is on south but they're pretty much checked from inside, from them..
I think I can't really compare between countries cs autonomus might mean for a part a thing and for another sth else, or imply some other things too, like additionally, as to their rules laws or even just customs
That's why you won't work in the UN, you're dumb that's it.
It's crystal clear that palestinians are under an apartheid rule, even the lacking morals girl in this video implicitly admitted it, she just said that they were just 10% who were under apartheid and so because it isn't 100% she doesn't consider it apartheid.
You're hearing what you want to hear not the truth, if you honestly wanted the truth the last thing you would do is to check on it in an israëli youTube channel.
@Saleh Nimer so were the scots who killed the english when they occupied scotland terrorists? How about the Americans before the war of 1776? The irgun and palmach were resistance fighters. Terrorists kill and destroy because they are hateful (ie hamas and islamic jihad) freedom fighters destroy and rarely kill to gain the independence (ie, palamach, scots, Americans, the koreans.)
. The Authors of the Amnesty International report have responded to this claim in their report: The report does not set out to compare Israel with South Africa under apartheid or to determine whether Israel is an “apartheid state”-a concept that is not defined in international law. Rather, the report assesses whether specific acts and policies carried out by Israeli authorities today amount in particular areas to the crimes of apartheid and persecution as defined under international law. Have you even READ the apart?
7 questions to ask a Pro Palestinian:
1 / Explain to me why you consider that it is Israel which took the land from the Palestinians, while it is Jordan which occupies 80% of Palestine?
2 / Explain to me why you consider it logical that Palestine should belong to the Palestinians, when it never occurred to you that Judea could belong to the Jews?
3 / Explain to me why, while an Arab can walk quietly in Tel Aviv and Haifa while a Jew who gets lost in Ramallah or Shehem (Nablus) is the object of a lynching, c is Israel you accuse of apartheid?
4 / Explain to me why you find it normal that there are Arabs living in Israel but it is unthinkable that a single Jew could live in a Palestinian state?
5 / Explain to me why it was only after Israel took Gaza from Egypt and Judea and Samaria from Jordan that you started calling them "the Palestinian territories"?
6 / Explain to me why the Palestinians never sought to create a state in these famous territories while they were under Arab rule?
7 / Finally explain to me why you disdain to answer these questions for fear of understanding that your unwavering support for the Palestinian cause against Israel is nothing other than the humanist expression of your disguised anti-Semitism? 🤔
My answer: your god promised that land thousands years ago-how do we know? Well you guys wrote down--
@@timelesshour8701
The *Jewish people* are *indigenous* to *Judea* - Land of Israel.
After over 2 millennia of forced exile, persecution, and genocide, the *(re)establishment* of Jewish sovereignty in our *ancestral homeland* is a remarkable story of *national liberation.* Jewish claims to the land are far more than biblical accounts. Our *religion, language, culture, holidays, rituals, liturgy, history,* and even the words Jew and Jewish are all inseparable from *historical Judea* and our collective longing to return to the Land of Israel.
The land of Israel is where Jews became a people and the oldest monotheistic faith. It is where Jews achieved *sovereignty* before losing it and regaining it several times until much of the *indigenous Jewish population* was either killed or forced into exile following the *Roman Empire’s* brutal suppression of the heroic *Jewish revolt* in the second century of the Common Era. Though the Romans subsequently renamed the land *Syria Palaestina,* the Jewish people never left our homeland physically or spiritually.
*Archaeological evidence* of Jewish life can be found in more than *30,000 sites* in Israel with antiquities dating back centuries. Even when we were massacred and persecuted by Christian Crusaders, Arab and Ottoman invaders, the British-led Jordanian Arab Legion, or more recently Hamas suicide bombers and rockets, our attachment never wavered.
It is in this same land where Jews miraculously *revitalized* the Hebrew language, *rebuilt* the institutions necessary for independence, *re-engaged* in rituals that are uniquely observed in the land of Israel, redeveloped the land and the economy so that by several magnitudes the Jewish and non-Jewish populations grew, and offered refuge not just to the remnant which survived the Holocaust, but also millions of Jews fleeing persecution from the Muslim Middle East, Ethiopia, and the former Soviet Union. Today, Israel is a rich tapestry of *diverse* citizens, including over half of Jewish Israelis (who identify as Jews of color) and 20% of whom are Arab citizens.
@@patriotsforisrael3610 My contention is that YOUR people claim ownership of Palestine through a book written by Jewish hands, claiming a super natural being told them of the promised land, this doesn't work with secular law. Also, your lost control of PALESTINE over 2,000 years ago to Greeks, the Romans and than to the Arabs.
Plus, its in the bible (if its true) that "god" told Joshua to destroy the walls of JERICO, why is there walls? that means the Israelite STOLED the land from the natives of Palestine, the Canaanites? Israelites not natives, but the Canaanites are. Joshua 6 1-27
@@timelesshour8701
Syria Palaestina (later, Palestine) was a name given to the Jewish province of *Judea* in 135 CE by the Roman Emperor Hadrian who wanted to erase the Jewish connection to the land.
Btw, The Romans also changed the name of Jerusalem to *Aelia Capitolina.* And no one uses that name today. Jerusalem will always remain JERUSALEM. And Judea will always remain JUDEA.
Like it or not.
Am Yisrael Chai! 🕎
If we go as per ur narrative that God Promised Land of Israel to Abhrambic doesn't that includes Arabs also.... As they are descendant of Abraham...
Let's make it clear... U don't want anything but falsehood and narrative that fits u... And feeds ur ego ...u can have a thousand justification for the crimes u commits...
No wonder God expelled u from the Promised Land and made u in Exile .... Or have the God Spoken again and took back the Exile
And Honestly i don't care from whom that land belong to Jews or for the Arabs.. all i wish is there for a peace and harmony.. and for all communities to live peacefully.....
Yes there are two sets of laws and therefore Israel is an apartheid state. Of course it's not like South Africa in every way. Complete strawman.
I m ex-black muslim from Norway and pro Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱❤
you can be ex-black in Norway?
The world keep silence of arabs still owning black slaves..
also arabs were the slaves traders for centuriess
@@AbdulHamid-gx4dv he’s a troll
Nice try. Nelson Mandela called Palestine an apartheid state, he described it as worse than in South Africa. I think he otta know
How can you call Israel an "apartheid state" when it is plainly not? Arabs are not forced to live by themselves, but they PREFER to live by themselves. They prefer to send their children to Arabic speaking schools, whereas Jews send their children to Hebrew speaking schools. Arabs prefer speaking their own language, Arabic, whereas Jews converse in Hebrew. Arabs choose to pray in mosques, not because they are forced to do so, but because Islam dictates to them where they should pray. Jews pray in synagogues. However, in other things we are all the same. We ride the same buses; we are cared for in the same hospitals, and we purchase goods in the same stores and supermarkets. We also work together in many of the same offices and institutions.
So why then do you have football teams like Beitar Jerusalem, where an Arab has never been allowed to play? Israel hasn't even had the equivalent of Jackie Robinson.
its a private club and their own choice
the captain of the Israeli football team is Muslim so you cant claim there is a segregation
Palestinians need permits to move around. Are Palestinians allowed to live in Jewish Settlements? Palestinian athletes have difficulties securing travel documents.
You know there’s Palestinians living and working in Israel right?
Palestinians need a permit to enter Israel just as Canadians need a permit to enter Japan, its two different countries.
@@sunshine6522 we're talking about israeli settlements in palestinian land, settler invaders can go into a palestinian home and just claim it as his own and the idf will look the other way and even encourage it.
@@kingbradley6000 That's simply not how it works... settlements are built on empty land- there's no such thing as going in and stealing a Palestinian home.
@@sunshine6522 the "empty land" narrative is a staple of the colonalist playboook.
"I am shocked by the claim that the free, diverse, democratic state of Israel practices apartheid. This ridiculous accusation trivialises the word apartheid, minimising and belittling the racism and suffering endured by South Africans of color."
Rev. Dr. Kenneth Meshoe, Member of the South African Parliament.
Claiming that Israel is an apartheid state is, therefore, a grave injustice to those who actually lived under an apartheid regime.
Yes I agree 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Too bad for you that Nelson Mandela loudly criticized Israel for being an Apartheid state, perhaps Mandela knows more about that than you do,
Thank you for articulating the situation so well. It helps give words where I, and am sure many others, have struggled to articulate our confusion and frustration when trying to clear this misappropriation/misunderstanding up when asked about it.
You mean white washing the topic. And calling illegal settlers building more houses for them and settler colonialism as “security”?
@@saberh2981 NOt illegal at all as Israel didnt occupy a Palestinian state.
@@tamaralexander9379 yes it is illegal coming taking over someone’s house and life and exiling them is ILLEGAL.
@@saberh2981 Yes indeed Jordan doing that to the Jews in 1948 was illegal.
@@tamaralexander9379 but it’s ok for israel to do it palis GREAT TO KNOWW GOOD TO KNOW u not human. Inhuman
I’m Jewish Israeli, and I love my Arab and Palestinian neighbors 🇮🇱🤝🇵🇸
Well, they don’t love us too unfortunately. Full of hate to Jews
Does your government? 😂
@@twmax6525 Why did you bring the government? I disagree with the government. I’m not the government
@@stormtrain11 Because it doesn’t matter what individual citizens believe or support at this point. The conversation is about government policies and how they affect the population. And it’s a fact that Palestinians have been persecuted for decades by your government and there is plenty of ample evidence for it. This video is misleading, and it’s a non sequitur bringing up who you love. There are also Israelis who hate their Palestinian and Arab neighbors.
@@stormtrain11 I’m just real pissed since my government in my name as a taxpayer (I’m an American) is now continuing to send your country billions in aid to continue what it’s doing. It’s not about who people hate and love, this is now just about right and wrong and holding the powerful accountable so that this is change. There will never be peace as things are now.
Do u even believe your own propaganda?
lol, imagine honestly attacking such a fair source as being propagandistic just because it disagrees with your agenda. Thats like calling Belgium an apartheid state because it doesn't treat Dutch as Belgian citizens, its absolutely insane. And of course, if you say something so crazy people will assume you're anti-Belgian.
@@theklorg305 but Belgium does…
What is the problem?your lies are getting exposed 😂😂
These guys don't seem to even realize how ridiculous this Israeli propaganda sounds
@@gabriele4740 Facts or duck off
So your calling human rights extremes
Sounds like an apartheid lover defending an apartheid state. No justification necessary.
This video seems very biased and pro-Israel to me. It is not a "complicated" issue, Israel is an apartheid state!
They literally admitted that they have apartheid in this video. South Africa also made excuses like "it's just the consequences of an unfortunate reality". Also, Nelson Mandela called Israel an apartheid state and Israel supported apartheid South Africa until it's last day.
Please post exactly where you saw them admit Apartheid.
Does not matter what sugar coating you give, Israeli actions and tratement of Palestinians in their own home state clearly amount to not just apartied, but also as war crimes.
You didn't even watch the video so your opinion on it doesn't matter.
tell me that you don't know nothing about Israel without telling me that you don't know nothing about Israel.
It's 2 million Arabs
Spoiler Hell no israel is the only democracy in the middle east!
U shoude come see yourself
I’ve seen what Israel has done to Gaza
Imagine stealing innocent families homes because they have a religion you don’t like and acting like it’s NOT apartheid.
Oh, are you referring to the 850,000 Jews Who lived as dhimmis in Arab lands until they were forcibly expelled and ethnically cleansed?
as a South African of colour and a student of our Apartheid history and yours, I must say that if you (disingenuously) simplify Apartheid to your description here, you will never be able to understand the comparison. Apartheid does not simply mean one state, one government, with unequal laws for its citizens. The foundational bedrock of Apartheid were the Bantustans and the Pass Laws. The Bantustans were semi autonomous regions, similar to Area B in the West Bank). All black South Africans were deemed to be citizens of the Bantustans. They did not have citizenship of South Africa proper. Apartheid rendered South Africa into a federation of regions under the supreme power of White South Africa. Black people could only enter and reside in White South Africa with a pass. In reality the Bantustan governments had no power at all. Brown South Africans however were allowed to live in White South Africa, but as very much disenfranchised second class citizens. The UN (of course) never recognised the Bantustans, but SA continued with the ridiculous charade. SA took over Namibia after defeating the German colonists there in WW1. When SA became an Apartheid state in 1948 they implemented the Bantustan policy there as well. They held on to Namibia until 1989, ostensibly for security reasons, much as Israel does with the Occupied Territories. The West Bank and Gaza are Bantustans, in everything but name. Apartheid is intricate, both in SA and Israel. So when you reject your opponents challenge of Apartheid, it is because YOU do not understand the intricacies, not them. Study the intricacy of SA Apartheid and your situation in Israel will be illuminated to you .If you actually want equality for all Palestinians (as your videos often claim), and this even possibly in one state with regional powers. Well, that one state already exists, de facto if not de jure. It is already a federation of semi autonomous regions under the supreme control of Israel. Start by recognising the massive discrimination Palestinians live under in that one de facto state, both in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem Banstustans, and even within Israel proper. And when a member of our delegation at the ICJ stated that Palestinians live under a worse form of Apartheid than we ever did, it's true. Separate roads for Palestinians and Jews?! Even in our darkest days we never had such a thing!
Separation wouldn't have happened if your darling Palestinians weren't suicide, murdering, graping, kidnapping and bombing Jews. Dividing West bank came after jordan withdrawal from judea and samaria those so called Palestinians in West bank are jordanians Israel is even merciful and patients to those terrorists who want to kill them any time they get. Israel citizens in West bank use different routes for protection and fire of being murdered, Palestinians are allowed to enter Israel for work, visits, and using Israel airports but Israel Jews can't go to Palestine part for fear of being murder, Israel provide food, health care, jobs, security, water, electricity to Palestinians but they are still ungrateful it's not Israel fault that they love their people so much they will do anything to protect them even if it means to bulid a big wall. And for gaza Israel is not their and doesn't govern their it's hamas if we are to go by your explanation of apartheid it Palestinians doing aparthied against Israelis not the other way around. And anyone who has ever read southafrica history knows the condition black southafricans went through is no way near what Palestinians put themselves into. Bye the way am African and we were taught history of southafrica as a subject of it's own so I know very well what southafrica was stop this bs.
Excellent presentation! Great job, mahalo shalom! 🇮🇱🇺🇲
Having reasons like security is not a counter argument for defending practicing military law and raids for one group, and state law for another. It still serves as a one of the reasons why it’s apartheid. Calling it apartheid is determined by the treatment of the suppressed group. It can not be denied happening because of security reasons for the ruling group
Actually you’re wrong- apartheid is discrimination based on race, not separation based on safety from terrorists 🤷♂️
I can see it from your perspective. Though I am thinking more about what the end result of the policy is::
When Israel separates two people in order to keep one of the two (the Israelis) safe from terrorism from the other one (the Palestinians), could one not argue that the end result is:
Discrimination of one nationality over another?
I know that you see it as a necessary, but does it not mean that Palestinians get some of their human right’s breached?
How is it discrimination against nationality if 2 million Arabs live freely and equally and peacefully inside of Israel?
I can see it from your perspective but only if you ignore causality and the real reason for the current reality. Yes, it’s not fair or fun for the Palestinians, but what choice did Israel have? We made a whole video exploring and unpacking that question here: th-cam.com/video/wIP0TMkuqGw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=B6C56MbUJ4fLKYXz
@@UNPACKED I don’t want to spend much more time replying to the details and make detailed descriptions, ll
but in general I would highlight here the necessity of always having a reasonable amount of focus on protection of human rights of the weaker part when talking about apartheid accusations.
As I see the video it doesn’t mention much about what the wearer part’s everyday experience is.
I think it is troubling that the video overwhelmingly describes the complexities by prioritizing needs of the stronger part.
But that is in general sadly the picture I get when I listen to Israeli talk about the conflict .
I rarely hear empathy for what Palestinian might be going through
And I of course hundred percent understand that it can be even more difficult after October 7, but if Israel does not focus on understanding and communication with the other side, but instead has a military solution that only benefits themselves then I actually understands why the conflict cannot be solved right now
I would suggest that Israel would try to look at what it must be to be on the other side being in a situation where they have parts of their human rights taken away and then try and not generalize when talking about the other side
I know that there have been different peace negotiations and offers and things like that, where Palestinians have refused the proposals but it seems like Israel always has the upper hand and the strong hold because of the very forceful military
And actually, Palestinians that are suffering or might have been victims too forceful actions by IDF or who have trauma from loosing a family member because of that I actually understand why there it sometimes can lead to individuals or groups committing terror attacks because what else can they do to change things If Israel mostly solves things militarily instead of - as the stronger part - reaching out and communicating
Israel in my eyes should look at itself and think about “with great power comes great responsibilities” and see it as a privilege and positive thing that they have the power to reach out and negotiate without risking their lives
Palestinians as I see it do not have that privilege
We make a few videos talking about the Palestinian perspective, including the video on the wall (th-cam.com/video/wIP0TMkuqGw/w-d-xo.html) and this one: th-cam.com/video/jEvScav0Xj4/w-d-xo.html and this one about Gaza: th-cam.com/video/o7dX6j8--vA/w-d-xo.html
And definitely hear your point, but isn’t Israel’s primarily obligation to protecting its citizens? It’s offered a peace deal plenty of times, and each time it receives terror in response (check here: th-cam.com/video/1kYWII25cxM/w-d-xo.html). And yes, Oct 7 complicates all of this too. I don’t know what a path forward looks like, but if it doesn’t include the cessation of terror, it probably won’t include Israel giving more privileges to the Palestinians
unbelievably one sided this tactic ............... tragic the lack of humanity....................
Imran your one sided view gets busted by facts. You obviously can't deal with it
@Cric Tube Thank you 😊
I am from South Africa and apartheid is Afrikaans for separation. It's a word, not a term or definition. It was just used by the western world to describe the segregation of races that happened under the National Party. And what's happening in Isreal is not Apartheid. It's the type of discrimination that is happening in Japan with relation to foreign workers and in the USA with black/African people.
U are on drugs a word carries meaning and it is the meaning that defines the word and U who has no element of understanding the history or fact or what is happening , in palistine it is quite ignorant to make a judgement , wake up dude we live in TH-cam world not in candle light era... I am sure press a button and knock and U shall receive and seek and shall find....
What is happening in palistine is worst than what happened in Africa , this is ethnic cleansing of a nation in the name of ante-cimitism..here people are killed if they do not accept tyrancy
@@mansoor7571 It is terrible but it is no apartheid. Apartheid was about the separation of races whereas, in Palestine, the Palestinians have many rights removed and are treated terribly, but Israelis are allowed by Israel to move to Palestinian areas, which is not segregation, rather a human rights violation). Also, it is very hard to compare the two because the treatment of black people in SA was different (and by many considered worse) than in occupied Palestine.
@@mansoor7571 it's not worse. It's the arabs who created this issue. The jews are no longer weak and inferior. You are just shocked that Allah has chosen the jews over the arabs, that Mohammad might had been a liar and that you are in so much pain following islam.
What are you talking about? In the USA, all the local terrorists (BLM) are not jailed for the mayhem and chaos that they created. They destroyed stores completely based on the fact that their owners will be compensated by insurance. There is freedom in the USA, we need to live decently, and not destroy. There is a great number of mixt marriages in the USA, the schools are not segregated.
@@mansoor7571 how Israel is aprtahid? If Palestinians can work with the jews get medical care in the same place and even shop and eat in the same places with the jewz!
This is exactly they problem you see edit videos and not the real life and you think its the true!
And now to the Israeli arbas- the get represented on the parliament even i coalition, most of the doctors nurses (medications) and nurse in Israel are Arabs (however my own family doctor she is from east Jerusalem and I am jewish) , Arabs can work with jew, eat in the same restaurants, live on th same buildings, 81% of them serve in idf this no. Is bigger than than the jews (only 70%).
And I can keep going!
You never see on your social the kids that throw blocks and injured and even kill many innocent israelis, they even throw fire bottles,shoot and stab. When they throw blocks they get arrested for few hours! If hamas or PLO wand to figth israel they need to that by there own and not using kids and not to shoot and try to murder israelis. When hamas launch rockets its from citznes area in Gaza and directly to Israeli citznes area to kill us!
Israel don't want go back to second intifada back than thousands explode and die even Arabs. However Palestinians and israeli Arabs can sit in the same bus /train with jews!
Its not a crime israel protect her citznes Arabs and jews! 1.8 million Arabs live here and thousands of other minorities!
I never saw idf hurt someone innocent and I live here not like you see only social
Israel is several times more oppressive than South Africa under apartheid. I like how you say the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, apartheid development is way more complicated than how South Africa developed. Not hardly, the Dutch and British built South Africa and when it was done, Africans came in droves, unlike the formation of Israel, where the people were already there in droves, God's chosen people, in their mind, had only one options, systematically exterminated them.
'To equate what is going on in Israel today with South Africa when South Africa was under Apartheid laws is a gift to Israel'
Noam Chomski
If it's so bad here they can leave
That's really sad as you show how ignorant you are. The early Jewish leaders appealed to the Arabs to stay in their houses and help them create a country together.
There have been less than 100,000 "Palestinians" killed in the last 100 years. There was never a time that Israel started Any of the fighting. Five Arab armies attacked the one day old country of Israel. From the 1880s, the Arabs attacked the Jews on lands they bought. You really need to educate yourself. *Buy a book! Google is free!*
Wow. I discovered this channel very recently and I was impressed by how reasonably even-handed some of the descriptions of the history of the land of Israel and Palestin was. This is not at all the case here. This is absurd. There is no serious effort to grapple with the charge of apartheid. Essentially, the argument appears to be that the security regime in the West Bank are justified due to the threat of terrorism and therefore anything that is done in the anme of security cannot be apartheid. But it ignore that the settlements themselves are illegal. There would be no security concerns for settlers if Israel didn't support the illegal appropration of Palestinian land.
Glad you like our channel!
Firstly, your claim that security issues would disappear without settlements don’t explain terrorism before 1967, or the fact that security concerns from Gaza increased since Israel removed its settlements in 2005 (see:10/7). It might be the case that settlements actually make Israel and Israelis safer, as they break up tue development of terrorists. Also the legality of Israel’s settlements is a complicated and disputed legal issue. But glad you agree that the issue at play is about security and not about racism or hatred of Arabs. Especially since there are 2 million Muslim/Christian Arabs who are equal citizens of Israel, plus the majority of Israeli Jews are ethnically Arab.
You might appreciate this video where we explore the legal and moral questions further: th-cam.com/video/wIP0TMkuqGw/w-d-xo.html
I can't take this video serious because it is so biased and the fact that Israelis are so sensitive to criticism really doesn't help to have an honest dialogue.
The young people who can accuse Israel of apartheid or deny the accusation are the neutrals, not the people who are biased towards Israel, like this woman who supports Israeli policies.
Im sure Israel treats the Palestinians very fairly and never does anything wrong
I am a Zionist but I cannot accept the evils happening to the Afrikaner in modern South Africa.
I visited the RSA , and the " locals" believe what you and I call " revenge" ( with government help - where else who farm attackers get military grade cell-phone jammers etc? ) , they call karma - like drowning innocent kids in baths full of boiling water is karma
Go to south africa and stop getting your news on TH-cam
@jack rodgers supports murdet
@@dovidell I'm a local and I call this bullshit, it's pointless arguing with someone obsessed about race but peace be to you...
@@hashira3031 I visited the RSA 20 years ago , and as beautiful as it was , I would never return , it's just too dangerous with the ANC in power
basically, if one's judging whether israel is an apartheid state or not based on what's seen on the most superficial level (as the video claimed, with "no context") then the result may seem like an apartheid state. In reality, occupying territories due to real secuirity risks is the moral thing to do. In fact, NOT occupying and patrolling those areas is immoral towards ALL of the Israel citizens (arabs and jews).
You mean the illegal Israeli settlements lol?
@@_ee75 Illegal by who's definition?
@@yonatan3001 fucking international court of justice and united nations lol
@@_ee75 what is their definition of illegal settlements?
Since the only occupation of Yudah and Shomron, is by the ar abs, who invaded in 1948, and ethnically cleansed the place, only those areas controlled by the PA and Hamas are truly apartheid. The native people cannot live, or even travel there safely.
2:00 Israeli proclamation of independence is nice and all, but what about the 2018 Nation-State Bill. You still call this equality?
I admit some criticisms of Israel may be true (but I don't know enough), but claiming Israel runs "Aparteid" or "terroism" is definately "lying for the sake of a cause" - what we call "propaganda". Some people have an INCREDIBLY one-sided, impractical & hyper-partisan view on the Isael/Palestinian issue. Putting nationalism, rage or pity of oneself or others above all else, all practical realities - that is not a virtue imo, but creates far more suffering.
if you admit you "don't know enough", it implies you don't know enough to tell whether the accusation of apartheid is true or not, and you shall admit you may not be able to judge if others are "lying" or "incredibly" one-sided
@@gabriele4740
No it doesn't necessarily.
It is (unlike you comment?) has some humility rather than rage & the arrogance that anyone who disagrees is evil or lying.
Here is why i said that:
(1) Most ppl are INCREADIBLY one sided on this and will accuse israel or palestians of anything. Do thus an accusation by itself means absolutely nothing, what else do you expect?
(2) Apartheid is about race or religion, and restriction based purely on that, not for security. But Arabs do live in Israel and are let into the same places, correct?
Sure they may get treated the same way by some ppl as Jews get treated in london or elsewhere by arabs. But apartheid? What is the evidence?
(3) The wall and security measures are extreme to prevent terrorist attacks on civilians & also attacks on military. What is the alternative?
Commit suicide for the sake of those whose hoal is thr destruction of Israeli?
@@gabriele4740
Your comment sounds insincere & like cheap shot by someone very polarized on the issue in who is all good and all evil.
But i will Give you the benefit of the doubt, sp explain if you like, and how you know what you know.
I may take a while to answer coz i go through msgs not that often.
Thank you 😉🙏🙏
@@gabriele4740 i notice you didnt answer
@Abdullah really - and pray do tell me based on what basis should I trust you are being truthful & truth- seeking about such a complex & controversial issue, Abdullah?
Did you not understand my first comment at all? then you come along and say "hey i am a total stranger, trust me 100% without any reason". With an arabic name, chances are you have an anti israel bias - just statistically a fact.
The only person I have ever met or heard that tries to be objective on this & openly displays her own values is Kim Iversen (leans palestinian though).
I can't recall what she said, it was nuanced and though, but i think maybe a "yes"....?
I cannot recall if it was necessary for security, which is a major issue, i dont know.
Also has nothing to do with my practical life, so yeah.
Let me explain to you what they said in this video, I ‘m just going to change the names as ISRAEL= Russia , PALESTINE = Ukraine , in this current war russia wanted to annexate parts of ukrain as they said it was belongs to them , ukranian ppl reject this idea but Russia used the army and weapon to reach their goal , who will you sympathies with? Even the palestenian can’t live freely in their parts of the country , Britain is the one who gave the jews”nation” afterWW2 when Ottoman Empire falls, Palestine was always among its arab neighbourhood, Nothing called israel
The sound of the truth
Notice how none of the people trying to justify apartheid and the dehumanization of Palestinians responded to this.
only haters will judge Israel immediately without the FACTS..shalom hatikva
FACTS bro,
Try the book ethnic cleansing of Palestine by one of the most prestigious Israeli historians Ilan Pappe as a fact.
Try the book Gaza by the son of holocaust survivors and one of the most fearless Jewish American professors in the US Norman Finkelstein as a fact.
Try the thousands of reports and investigations that were issued by highly respected human rights organisation on the crimes committed by israhell like HRW as a fact.
Why don't you go read a book instead of washing your brain with rubbish videos like this as a fact.
Fact: Nelson Mandela, the anti-apartheid icon, did criticize Israel's treatment of Palestinians and used the term "apartheid" to describe certain aspects of Israeli policies towards Palestinians. Interesting how they conveniently left that out of the video 😅
"It is not Apartheid it is just us saying no no to people who own the land"
The no no: *kil*
So about apartheid interview the arabs living in fore example in Jeruzalem they gonna tell you the most of them that there is NO apartheid we have the same rights as the Jews!
Please the music is distracting.
For those who want to tear up the US constitution this is what it looks like. Chaos!
They're not only Apartheid they are also occupation.
"I know first-hand that Israel has created an apartheid reality within its borders and through its occupation. The parallels to my own beloved South Africa are painfully stark indeed." - Desmond Tutu
"I have never called Israel an apartheid state because it is worse than that." - Noam Chomsky
Thanks for this video!
Im a south african who lived in apartheid. Most south africans know Islam is a global problem and surports jews. Muslims in isreal are free. Muslims in south africa practise apartheid, racism and segregation in south africa till today. A black man in sa is called a kaffer. The anc government is scared of islam so they practice appeasement politics. Hence the gaza condemnation.
Majority of south africans surport jews.
I’m an atheist. I enjoy Christmas calling it purely a christian celebration is naive. And the same applies to Easter.
I hear that “it’s complicated” but if you are trying to be balanced about your approach to these issues you should have some Palestinian youth speakers instead of only kids with Israeli flags in the background speaking if you want to be fair about this complicated problem that has gone on for far too long.
Also you harken back to the Six Day War as why it all has to be this way in most of the videos. Does it though? Most of not everyone who fought in that war are long gone? Why does it still bind your hands from doing something?
Finally the word Apartheid doesn’t belong to South Africa or any other country for that matter. It’s definition is a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. If that definition fits then the word can be used by anyone. You can’t culturally appropriate an English word. Also the speaker in this videos points out that South Africa was unjust to its own citizens while Israel is clearly being unjust to people they are militarily occupying who aren’t part of Isreal!? 😆 Seriously?
Making a vid quibbling about stealing a word from another country may have been the wrong direction.
Does Israel Act as an Apartheid State? -- NO !!.
@jack rodgers So you've been to South Africa , have you ? , tell me about your visit to Soweto , then tell me about how in Israel , there are two lines for toilets , petrol and voting in Israel , one for the Jews , and the other for " infidels " - you CAN'T because apartheid DOESN'T exist in Israel
Boers support Isreal.🇿🇦🇮🇱
Nelson Mandela was against Israeli apartheid
@@thefatcontroller7721 So he would like actual Israel?
Ofcourse they do
@@JohnTheStun Mandela shoved burning tires on Board necks.
of course, fascist solidarity
Peace or the lack thereof is largely in the hands of the Palestinians. Jew hatred and a lack of recognition of the Jews historic roots in the holy land are a big problem.
israel was allied to apartheid south africa, and that makes good sense considering their shared values
Why playing a video if you are'nt gonna listen to it?...
Hamas is an ally of Iranian Shias, Israel is an ally of the UAE and USA and Australia - shared values.
1961 hendrick verwoord south africa prime minister and an architect for south africa apartheid policies himself recognise similarity with israeli...he dismissed israel vote against aparthied in un by saying israeli like south africa,an aparthied state...
The documentary is totally biased to Israel, and it is misleading, I live in Palestine and this is not the case
So you support the Farm Burning?
I live in efrat. Everything here os accurate. Which facts do you dispute?
@@אברהםדודסולומון the ANC are dictators.
Can you please explain what in this video is not true?
Stop playing war games on pelestian's land and soil by Jew Israel will not recognise in pelestine country and middle East all pelestine country only for pelestian people not for Israel
Why UN give two nations State in pelestine
From today all news media does not discuss as a issue for Israel and discuss for pelestine country
Please explain how the Ottoman Turk former Lands or the British Mandate lands, or the illegally annexed Jordanian lands ever were the Palestinian's lands.
The British did a Land Survey in 1945, the Palestinian farmers owned 3.3% of the land. How does that make it Palestinian land??
The UN gave nothing. It offered an idea to split the land, the Arabs said NO!! Therefore there was never a Palestine.
I'm confused on one thing, though. Is B'Tselem being included in the reference to "extreme" critics? From what I can tell, that doesn't seem to be their reputation except among those who can hardly be considered neutral parties on the matter, I I'm certain that they're goal isn't the delegitimization of Israel. I also don't understand why relevant facts about the recent election in Israel weren't brought up. No small number of politicians can be a reflection on the state or the people at large, but you can't claim to have a representative government and deny that certain politicians represent a large enough portion of the population to have earned a seat in the representative body.
B'Tselem is in fact an extreme critic of Israel with the intention of delegitimizing it.
@@sunshine6522 So, you're saying it's an organization of anti-Israel Israelis? From what I can tell, the organization is trying to help Israel push closer to the ideal version of itself by reporting on the less savory aspects of it's actions and policies. In my view, that is a greater form of patriotism than ignoring the bad and focusing on, and exaggerating, the good; something which my fellow Americans do as easily as breathing.
@@OldMansWar Many Americans hate America and are calling it a racist country, haven't you seen the clips of BLM protestors chanting "death to America"?
the same thing is happening in Israel, some Israelis hate Israel and are willing to collaborate with its enemies.
constructive criticism is one thing- but working side by side with Israel's enemies is a completely different story.
@@sunshine6522 If we select the worst representatives of any group to represent the group as a whole, every group is literally awful. And given some of the new members of the Knesset, who promote hate and war crimes as well as turning Israel into a theocratic republic...
Those kinds of criticisms, the sort you made of BLM and Americans with strong criticisms of their own country, are what ACTUAL attempts at delegitimization look like.
@@OldMansWar So you agree that there are some awful representatives in every group.
what I'm saying is that B'Tselem is the worst representative of the Israeli society.
nothing is worse than being a traitor to your own country and collaborating with those who are seeking Israel's destruction.
it would be objective criticism if they focused on speaking to Israelis- instead of running around the entire world to smear Israel's reputation.
Long live Israel the christians of American are with you 150 million strong.
This is called ONE SIDE DEBATE, of course the criminal will never ask about the victim’s opinion.
How do you then describe demolitions of Palestinian houses not only in east Jerusalem but also in the west bank while illegal Israeli settlements in the west bank aren't being subjected to the same?
How do you describe those well constructed roads leading to settlements in the west bank, that the Israeli settlers can use freely but Palestinians have to go through poor roads laden with Israeli checkpoints, where they have to endure humiliation as the seek to be let through?
This list can go on and on and on.........
You obviously do not know enough avout the situation to comment if you ask these questions.
The only "Palestinian" houses that are demolished are either illegally built or are owned by terrorists and their families. Israel has legal housing laws with permits and building laws, if you just build a house and ignore all the housing laws, the house gets demolished whether owned by Jew or Arab.
Please explain how Israel building in Israel is illegal. Area C is fully under Israeli control, both by government and security. They can build up infustructure where they want. If the Palestinian Authority does not spend their money on roads, it is not Israels position to interfere.
Checkpoints were established after terror campaigns. They were not there from the beginning. They stopped the terror by over 90%.
Please, give more uneducated comments.....
@@shainazion4073 I will still freely exercise my freedom of expression regardless of how it makes you feel. Given that nobody ever had the chance to choose their parents or even their place of birth, how would you feel if you were a Palestinian?
Until you’ve been to a country and seen it for yourself everything you’ve heard both positive and negative are just words. If you want to understand Israel truly, you have to go to Israel.
the video doesn't explain that mizrahim moved here because the Arabs kicked them off their land, depriving them and their families of their historical roots just for being Jewish, now why should they feel sorry for the same Arabs here?
There’s a little something called international laws now
anyway..... free Palestine