Contradictory Expectations of some 'Muslim Feminists' in Marriage - Naima B Robert- MH Podcast p2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- Episode #11 of the MH podcast
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إن شاء الله
بارك الله فيك
2:32 The noble sister said a Jawami' Al-Kalim (short statement with a wide meaning) there. May Allah bless her.
Narrated Abu Hurairah رضي الله عنه:
I heard Allah's Messenger ﷺ saying:
بُعِثْتُ بِجَوَامِعِ الْكَلِمِ
"I have been sent with Jawami' al-Kalim (i.e., the shortest expression carrying the widest meanings)..."
[Sahih al-Bukhari » Interpretation of Dreams - كتاب التعبير » Hadith 7013]
I think you forgot to add your Podcast 11 to your playlist,
and you forgot to name this Podcast 12, it was interesting.
@@Ibn_Abdulaziz here's a verse better than your made up useless Hadith.
إِنَّهُ لَقَوْلٌ فَصْلٌ ﴿١٣﴾
{ Indeed, the Qur'an is a decisive statement, (/AlQuran 86:13 U.M.) }
"You are being professional when you listen to your boss but you are being enslaved and oppressed when you listen to your husband". Shukran so much br. Hijab.
FEMINISM IS A LIE
so husband is your boss ?
@@Rosey-cj2nj no, the hypocrisy is the issue
@@cooljool1 @Mo Kadada yeah that's true. The point of the analogy was, the husband has certain authority for the same reason that the boss has certain authority, but some people smh think that's professional when it comes to the boss, and oppressive when it comes to the husband. But, yeah it was not about who is boss, and who is not, bcoz in Islam, God is the only Boss. God is the one who sets the rights and responsibilities, and No obedience to any creature in disobedience to the Creator.
@@garaad9806
Your husband is not your boss.
Masha'Allah Sr Na'ima is spot on with her advice... commit to the Deen and get holistically healthy... This applies to all of us no matter what age we are or where we are in life.
Yes she had a such good points same with Mohammed hijab
@@IbrahimKhan-ri6qx th-cam.com/video/XIBKRT_XsX4/w-d-xo.html open caption pls thanks
I have been married 25 years brought up 4 kids 3 gone to university, my wife fulfilled her role and I fulfilled my role as MUSLIMS!
My Role model Rasool Allah SAW, the Sahabah Tabaheen, Tahba-Tabaheen. My Wifes Role Model Sayidnah Khateejah, Sayidnah Aiysha, Sayidnah Fatimah and The Mother of Nabi Issa AS. Wallah-he You CANNOT Go Wrong if you follow their Principals and etiquettes!!
KEEP THIS TO YOURSELF. GRATITUDE
@@cemmossi why? Why shouldn't I tell people the best way I found to living a great life.
Amazing family brother
@@cemmossi shut up
Alhamdulillaah. Allah Ta'aalaa grant barakah in your family and preserve you all.
I absolutely adored this! I was truly at the edge of my seat. Masha Allah you and this sister and an extremely enlightening discussion and I'm gonna definitely chew on the things you two have discussed here! Allahumma baarik you guys are helping the ummah
@Mickey Kwame and which values are these that have 'just' emerged... 🙄?
I watched it all, very informative! Great guest, Mohammed! What sister Na’ima said here 9:57, the whole thing is gold. She touched on the weakness of the Muslim community. "the ideas are all around us..." "...it is really important to have these conversations..." "...to examine the forces around us..." EXACTLY! That's exactly what I am doing, starting to examine the forces around me. I am really grateful to brother Mohammed for introducing sister Na’ima to me! BTW "...wholesale of acceptance without resistance these ideologies of the West..." and the whole thing of "it's a play on lexicon", very good point, brother Mohammed. Feminists are basically the slaves of the capitalistic men. They only talk loud.
"This generation, it seem to be mentally the most fragile generation that we probably ever seen" As someone from the Gen Z I can say that this statement of sister Na’ima is 100% true, even that I hate to say it and it kind of hurts, but it is what it is.
Advice of our sister Na’ima:
1. Get yourself grounded in the deen
2. Make sure you're healthy (mind, body and soul).
3. Choose a healthy partner.
4. Understand what it means to be a wife/ husband.
5. Actively learn and cultivate those qualities within you.
6. Make a commitment that is based on something bigger than yourself (talking about marriage/ starting a family).
7. Make the decision of "that healthy children will come from me".
@TheEndTimesAreHere Just go to sleep and don´t bother us.
We REALLY do need to make a lot of videos regarding liberalism (LGBT & Feminism) and Islam's position on it
Check out Gabriel al romani he talks about this stuff without sugar coating it
@@abde4645 I know ;) may Allah bless him
@@nikiakbari i have already did playlist on both of these. you can check it out. Islam And Liberalism: th-cam.com/play/PLgrhw8sbiJg0aguMql_QAe-BZ6RnNJu52.html
Islam And Feminism: th-cam.com/play/PLgrhw8sbiJg1Vv22K2hmwOCAWGUYGvmvb.html
Maybe, but at the end of the day regardless of what you alone think, or what your faith tells you to think, you don't get to determine and insist on your worldview!
@@shawnmalloy4339 the irony is that it's the other way around who's insisting 😂 we're here just trying to keep our deen and follow Allah's way
I'm going to speak as a Muslim man having had used such apps and I must say, not all experiences are negative. I will also provide a brief piece of advice, not because I claim to be perfect but maybe my experience can help: I completely agree that there are issues with Muslim women expecting too much but you know what we Muslim men can do? Have those conversations early and honestly. It will save you a lot of grief later inshallah!
or just avoid them and go for other less demanding ones
"That woman (a Muslim feminist) is a leech".
*woke Muslim feminist
@Bs sS Very Open-minded.
@@alyzak.8997Muslim feminist * don't try to add new word
This sister is very balanced, honest and unapologetic in her approach. And I love it.
Jazakallah khair sister.
I as a Muslim man is a prime example of experiencing parental alienation and oppression at the hands on my ex narcissist wife who left me at her own Will to pursue her desires. It’s been 7 years I am in and out of courts although I won the case to have access to my children but she comes up with all kind of excuses and lies, the family courts are extremely lenient towards her, post separation she has made allegations of domestic abuse of the worst kind complete lies and manipulation, she has used Muslim organisations like ‘Nur domestic abuse’ run by Muslim women to strengthen her case and they blindly supported her without attempting to establish the facts. She cut her self off from all our mutual friends or any of her friends who witnessed her abuse and are aware of the facts, to gain support she methodically chose a new circle of friends, who are only aware of her version of events or narrative, they (as in her new friends and her self) with the support of her circle of friends she has been committing grave oppression against me and my children for the past 7 years. In addition she made a claim against all of my assets including assets I purchased many years prior to marrying her. Post separation, She been married multiple times (islamically) but in court she denied being married and when confronted with evidence she referred to nikkah as a form of dating, this is someone who practices Islam outwardly and wears a hijab. During this period, I have been admitted to hospital twice due to nervous breakdown, spent 60k pounds on legal/court costs, due to absent at work, lost over 500k, my close family and friends also suffered by not be able to see the kids. The oppression at the hands of my ex narcissist wife is of unspeakable abuse particularly against the rights of our children. However as men we are made to suffer by the secular court system of this country UK, hence such women deploy the narrative of these courts not the Islamic principles. I survived and surviving because of my faith, my strong mental disposition by the Taufeeq of Allah swt. I intend to write a book detailing all my experience so others can take heed and protect themselves and the precious innocent trust we are trusted with ‘the children’.
May Allah help you through this but have you considered having her killed?
Hold on tightly to the rope of Allah brother! (the Quran). And may Allah bless you and help you always.
Subhunallah surely you are strong with your Iman with Allah SWT he test whom he loves the most , day of justice will be served and so will yours do not forget Allah SWT love and rewards for his striving servant's
A woman needs the approval of her guardian (mostly her father) before getting married. Who was your wife's guardian? Did your wife's guardian knew she was getting married again?
Much needed and very refreshing. I’m glad we are making the distinction between Muslim and non Muslim feminist’s. This needs to flood social media
Missed your presence and unique relfections on twitter brother. Hope you are well.
I've taken a look at the MGTOW movement and it seems that even Western men are getting sick of these feminists and modern women (who-dont-need-no-man) and deciding to turn to celibacy instead. This proves that Islam has the solution, the middle ground is always the best way to adopt, not extremism on any side. And we can see the wisdom behind Allah's rulings which as a convert woman, was quite difficilt to swallow at first as I was raised with a feminist mentality. It is hard to let go, but not impossible. What was bitter to swallow now makes sense as I analyse how feminism is toxic and leading to the destruction of marriages and the society.
I can imagine how difficult that change must have been. From one sister to another, I have a lot of respect. May Allah keep you happy and with ease in dunya and akhira .
@@mohsisohal806 ameen. Jazaakillah khayr sister
@@mohsisohal806 may Allah guide us all and grant us all Jannat-ul-Firdaws and make us Muslim men and women partners in good and not enemies.
@@Diaicy19 damn wow...
So u r aware of MGTOW too ?
They r bit extreme like the feminist but theu do have some turth but anyway islam has the middle ground n solution.
Respect to u alot... ir are rare breed nowadyz especially in west.....
I pray Allah keep us in straight path...
Jazakallahu khairan
Mgtow people are basically men who don't care about women and mind their own life. I don't think it is as dangerous as feminism.
I've spoke with Muslim girls in their workplaces and the amount of effort and proffesionalism they put in is 110% but for their families and homes it's barely 10% because they "been at work all day"
what is the problem
And?
@@Chiguiro345 so I take it you haven't watched the video or learned much , it's basically saying women would rather give honour , time and effort to a boss for a bit of money instead of to their families in the household , because they see that as beneath them or below them . But giving all your effort and best years of your life to a boss is ok. Hijab comes off and western morals come into affect also .
@@nasirakhtar1233 exactly. Women today have traded in the husband for the boss.
@@najatbouk4789 you must be a woman with that response , SubhaanAllah can I ask are you Muslim ? Because we were told that women would flock to the dajjal , and men would have to restrain their women to stop them running to Dajjal ,
How can a woman find love by being selfish? Women have always been the people who give, who sacrifice, who is supportive. As a daughter as a sister as a wife as a mother she’s a blessing. Why do women want to degrade themselves by falling into this pit called feminism.
Rightly said sister but the reward of these sacrifices everlasting, and can't be achieved by being feminist
Yeah read your comment again
@@kareemkhan-hv1yp but when they are undermined used and exploted by money and power thats where the problem comes
Beloved sisters, Men and women are not equal. I'm a sister too. Why do you want men and women to be equal? Men and women are equivalent. 1kg orange = 1kg Apple in terms of weight, they are equivalent. We have different roles. He's superior in terms of strength. A man is a protector. So what do humans protect? Something that is precious! Allah has given a beautiful status to women, jannah under her feet when she becomes a mother. 3/4 love to mother and 1/4 love to father. Stop fighting for being equal when Allah has made you far superior in certain aspects, like giving us the status to bear a child and the status of a mother. In some cases men are given superiority like protection and knowledge, just accept it and move on. May Allah grant us all hidayah and happiness :)
Stfu nah, just because ur a mother,sister, or a daughter doesnt mena ur good.
@@nomejest5919 Go say all that to your mother and sisters
Sister you explained the concept so nicely. May allah grant you goodness
your comment makes no sense
you claim women should stop trying to be equal and then claim they are far superior.
@Ayesha parvez you cannot say all man and women are equal beacuse we judge people who is better depending on their Taqwa some women are superior to man and women and some man are superior to man and women depending on their taqwa man and women have their role but when It comes to who's better not everyone is equal It depends on taqwa
The more I see these type of discussions the more I am convinced Islam is the solution to this new red pill community appearing. Feminism liberalism secularism. All isms are in the 🔥 except Islam.
Mashallah you are right. I was red pilled and Islam has saved me with a more balanced approach.
@@garrettdanielsii2305 in the same boat, especially as islam recognizes both male and female minds and how they work differently so they are commanded different. If both stick to Islam, feminism and red pill are not needed. The problem is the cowardly father generation that doesn't have the balls to lead, teach and enforce Islam in their households leading to these bs issues. The man is the leader and the women is subject similar to the us president and our selves
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br I would not be so harsh on the father's akhi, because if they do try enforce Islam within their houses the government will come down on those men hard. I know a man that tried to discipline his daughter, she called the police and he was arrested. They have forced us to be effeminate.
@@garrettdanielsii2305 Ma sha Allah akhi Allah guided you and made you balanced. As Allah says in the Quran 'And indeed We have made you into a middle (balanced) nation'. As the other brother just mentioned if people applied Islam in their lives. There would be no need for feminism and red pill in Muslims communities.
@@ninculus3042 btw father forced in wht btw bro ?
12:55 this generation, mentally, is the most fragile
Spot on, ukhti
@TheEndTimesAreHere it's inappropriate to comment out of the context, brother. I'm sure if you're Mu'minin you'd know about that.
Al-Baqarah 2:6
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ سَوَآءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
English - Sahih International
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
What a breath of fresh air! You've covered some very crucial points that unfortunately isn't addressed in today's Muslim communities and is quite the contrary, as highlighted in the podcast.
There's been times for me on a personal level, begin to question my own sanity and feel if there's something wrong with my outlook on this.
Please make more videos covering these topics so that we can raise awareness of the cancerous hypocrisy in our societies.
Someone needs to share this video with Mufti Menk and others alike, so that they can make a more balanced representation of roles, responsibilities, feminism and family structures.
All Muslims whether Arab or Non Arab must unite to form one nation. ✌️❤️
Sure but cant be done since people have nationalism and these so called "leaders" above! All the people above in every country will loose their power and worldly gains so they will never let muslims do that plus muslims are then further divided into sects so that they can never get united. Unfortunately muslim scholars are not doing what they should be doing but eventually war is waiting for us all cz in order to unit muslims again we need a solid blow from above ☝🏻or we'll stay busy in worldly gains!
Pan Islamism
No
3:103 "And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided."
@@zahidbloch9144 why?
So called feminist Muslims should be able to carry heavy things too like men.
@Yoel Cohen where is he from?
@@ummzaynul370
Hes the Theocratic ruler of Iran.
Shia Muslims, no offence irrelevant.
@Yoel Cohen
He's irrelevant and a Shia.
So no.
@@cinna_sultan JazzakAllaahu khairan.
so men should bear children then?
I'm feeling the new haircut MH
WE R SOOOO PROUD OF OUR SISTER NAIMA 💪👍💙
Excellent podcast, it's made me reflect more on strengthening my mental health and deen.
This topic needs to be talked about more often
34:00
I know women that really do weaponize intimacy, about a couple of years ago one lady told me she wouldn't allow her husband to sleep with her for over a month as a punishment because he didn't bring her a gift when he came back from Europe I told her you literally pushing your husband to go to Haram she said well my friends and my family asked me what did your husband bring you when he came back and I was embarrassed?
I mean who cares what people think about what my husband got me ?
And I know another woman even worse than that.
She can't refuse, it's one of the right of the husbands.
My friend once told me he was on a promise because it was his birthday...
If she’s not having sex with her husband for a month, what what was she doing in the meantime? Red flag
I agree that women shouldn’t weaponise intimacy nor should we agree with feminism, but likewise there are some men who weaponise the hadith about angel cursing the women if they don’t provide their husbands sexual needs even when the wife is extremely fatigued or not in the best condition physically/mentally. Bad apples are on both sides. Both genders have their own roles to play and do so with mercy to each other. May Allah grant us beautiful marriage like that of our Prophet’s (pbuh) and his wives.
@@lalala94872 Ameen. Both sides could make mistakes that's how life has always been
I already know there's dumb people who will call her a "pick me" for speaking out.
I've never heard this term. Thanks for enlightening me!
Yep, and if you're a man you gotta stay away from those women who will call her a "pick me" .... jokes on them cus she is not blinded by feminist ideology or woke culture.
@@trig.destiny2640 then why is she working as a writer then? her hsuband earns enough for her then why not stay at home and maintain it and her husband
When it comes to charity, if your hand is tied due to a fear of poverty, know that Satan has succeeded in his task. Allah Says in the Qur'an "Satan threatens you with poverty.."[Surah Al-Baqarah 268]
@TheEndTimesAreHere so you an idiot who came up with an idea of creating contents by taking out verses out of contexts, cutting before and after part then proving your point and spamming how idiot you are in the comment section. can't you get a life?
Jehovah Witnesses believe that too.
Hijab just said what I have realized of our Muslim feminist and been saying it only to myself. I would rather be with a non Muslim feminist than a Muslim feminist.
Best comment ❤️ and I completely agree with you. Inshallah 🤲, I will marry a Christian or Jewish woman and convert her to Islam. It's better than Islamic feminism. The problem is that they are spread out in large numbers, and even in my Muslim country, may Allah curse them and cause them to enter Hell.
I don't understand how one can be a Muslim and a feminist at the same time !?
Feminism is basically a way of life where you take your own desires as a standard.
Like if I say now: I'm atheist and Muslim.
May Allah save us from this and guide them and us.
Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Whose hands have gathered up the wind?
Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is the name of his son?
Surely you know!
@@maluill
Yogi the bear?
@@jamalatmaca8071 nah
so mother khatija has desires over standards. dont men have material desires like desire for virgin women if thats not disgusting then why women desires are frowned upon
You cannot be a feminist and a muslim at the same time.
Those two ideas completely contradict one another.
One is a Destructive Agenda, the other is the Creator's Constructive Manual/Guidance.
@@EL_BasiounY No, the other is a supposed guidebook of a creator, ripped off from another religion, which is a ripoff of a different religion before that.
@@2l84me8 you high bro?😭
Someone tell me if im wrong. But if you accept feminism doesn’t that mean you believe Allah Swt, hasnt given adequate rights for women through islam and the teachings of prophet Muhammad pbuh? And that borders major sin?
I think despite of Islam, women are in many societies deprived of their god given rights, I think this pushes a lot of women into becoming intolerant feminists who push for rights and positions beyond what is rightly theirs,
That said, if you believe feminism is a movement which seeks to entitle women to the rights they are already islamically entitled to yet are deprived of in the societies in which they live, how are you committing a major sin?
or any sin at all?
I think feminism was bourne out of injustices against women, but has now become an oppressive movement towards men AND women.... but everyone has their own interpretations of what they think feminism is and their own understanding, like shia for example you cannot call them non Muslims without first establishing what is it they actually believe in, you cannot call someone who ascribes themselves to feminism a non Muslim or accuse them of committing major sins without examining what they actually believe...
@Potato Man Wrong. Where do we go? Back to Islam.
Feminism whichever way you interpret it is 100% haram, no debate, because its core belief goes against what Islam teaches. Don’t confuse islam with culture. If women are denied their rights, almost all of the time it is the culture/society and corrupt ppl. Islam is the law, the way of life and it is perfect. It does not need a substitute.
Allah (SWT) has given women many rights but those rights aren't followed by Muslims men. The feminist cause protects Muslim women's God given rights. Feminism is not a religion but a social movement. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) actively spoke for the rights of women and that when a person is oppressed they should speak against their oppressor. So no it's not Haram. In fact it's encouraged. God has given women voice and intellect so why shouldn't they use it?
@The Alpha I love Islam and I am a Muslim. I specifically said that feminism isn't a religion but a movement. I also expressed that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) actively spoke for women empowerment. He specifically said "the best of men are those who are best to their women."
He has also spoken against female foeticide and has urged fathers to treat their daughters and sons equally. If we look at his life, he married Hazrat Khadija (RA) a woman who was 15 years his senior and was a successful business woman. He had four daughters whom he loved dearly. He would also help his wives around the house. What I said in my earlier statement is Islamic. I didn't say anything that's against Islam.
Idk if this is the video to say it, but I do think it's best sometimes to wait a little while in marriage before having children. A good time to fully evaluate the person you're with and if you want to be having children with them. Also good time to enjoy marriage as a husband and wife relationship solely before having the responsibility of parenthood too.
I don't know if there is such a thing as "fully evaluate" a person. It sounds a bit unrealistic.
@@commander1044 Of course, you can't know anyone 100%, but I do think any major issues would make themselves clear here. Mufti menk advocated for it too. It's also nice to enjoy married life without the pressures of parenthood for a while.
@@mohsisohal806 if it's discourage blind expectations towards their future spouse then i guess it is strongly reasonable. after all we are marrying another human being. best not to pressure one another towards a certain thing unreasonably.
I understand the point you've made and to some extent I agree but people change. After kids, after 10 years of marriage, after ups and downs in life. You won't be with the same person you married ten years down the line. You will both change. That's why there should be a common goal between you both and that foundation should be agreed and built upon.
I had 9 months to enjoy marriage without the responsibilities of parenthood😅
They want traditional benefits but not traditional responsibility ..... brilliant. Sr. Is a breath of fresh air in understand the changing dynamics in Muslim marriages
The mental health point is spot on. The sister is a critical thinker mashallah, Allah bless her & bro Hijab 😊
@sham kay your medical argument is a bit weak, on the contrary more health benefits come with wearing a hijab and covering up, I'm saying this as a medical doctor.
Anyway I liked this sister's acknowledgement of mental health, I sympathize with psychiatric patients regardless of the cause.
I must admit your philosophy is quite interesting. Thanks for your comment and nice time.
Brilliant points from both speakers, Mashallah keep it up
💯
@TheEndTimesAreHere You clearly have not read the Quran, you have cherry picked some verses ignoring the context,. Why don’t you do your ignorance a favour and read the whole book perhaps you will have an informed opinion at the end of it.
What is your religion/ belief anyway? If you have any proof for your own position feel free to present it and let’s see who’s position stands up to scrutiny 🧐
Those who live in glass houses really should not throw stones.
@TheEndTimesAreHere
The angels said, “Mary, God gives you news of a Word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, who will be held in honour in this world and the next, who will be one of those brought near to God.
He will speak to people in his infancy and in his adulthood. He will be one of the righteous.
She said, My Lord, how can I have a son when no man has touched me?[The angel] said, This is how God creates what He will: when He has ordained something, He only says, Be, and it is.
He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,
He will send him as a messenger to the Children of Israel: “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make the shape of a bird for you out of clay, then breathe into it and, with God’s permission, it will become a real bird; I will heal the blind and the leper, and bring the dead back to life with God’s permission; I will tell you what you may eat and what you may store up in your houses. There truly is a sign for you in this, if you are believers.
I have come to confirm the truth of the Torah which preceded me, and to make some things lawful to you which used to be forbidden. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. Be mindful of God, obey me:
God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him- that is a straight path.
When Jesus realized they [still] did not believe, he said, Who will help me in God’s cause? The disciples said, We will be God’s helpers; we believe in God- witness our devotion to Him.
Lord, we believe in what You have revealed and we follow the messenger: record us among those who bear witness [to the Truth].
The [disbelievers] schemed but God also schemed; God is the Best of Schemers.
God said, “Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me: I will purify you of the disbelievers. To the Day of Resurrection I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieved. Then you will all return to Me and I will judge between you regarding your differences.
I will make the disbelievers suffer severely in this world and the next; no one will help them.
God will pay those who believe and do good deeds their reward in full; God does not love evildoers.
We relate to you [Muhammad] this revelation, a decisive statement.
In God’s eyes Jesus is just like Adam: He created him from dust, said to him, Be, and he was.
This is the truth from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt.
If anyone disputes this with you now that you have been given this knowledge, say, Come, let us gather our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, and let us pray earnestly and invoke God’s rejection on those of us who are lying.
This is the truth of the matter: there is no god but God; God is the Exalted, the Decider.
If they turn away, [know that] God is well aware of anyone who causes corruption.
[Quran 3:45-63]
That last bit of advice by sister Naima is golden
Awesome conversation...we need more such podcast
Muhammad hijab hit the nail on the head, leech is exactly what they are. My nephew said the same thing, sisters want traditional and western ways as long as she gets it all.
then what are men then?for wanting their desires fulfilled? are all following the rligion perfectly? then stay in the traditional muslim countries only na why come to western countries if u are so want to be successful and confine ur mothers and sisters to bed and kitchen of the house
This sister hits the nail on the head with the list people come up with as they get older. As a single Muslim man I'll tell you straight, the sheer amount of tick boxes women have today is insane and keeps them single, ESPECIALLY on apps. They look for reasons to exclude you and move onto find a better man while wanting him to be X height with Y job and Z flexibility to adjust to her lifestyle and location. Feminism is a poison to our Muslim women but they do not know it.
Its about equality with men...
A lot of "Islamic" cultures are patriarchal based.
@@cinna_sultan I disagree. It seems that way because it's easier to criticise a man when he has to walk with his wife when she wants to go outside as her mahram instead of realising his role given by God is to protect his wife, even from prying eyes. It's easy to see a woman being worth half a man in her inheritance but more difficult to realise that it's because her husband's money is Islamically hers, while her brothers month is his wife's. People are too short sighted
Couldn’t have put it any better myself. You literally hit the nail on the head. Don’t worry keep searching, do your part and leave the rest to Allah. I too experienced this for many years while searching for a spouse. But alhumdulillah i found that old school, traditional girl that i was looking for, all thanks to the almighty 🤲🏼
@@cinna_sultan no it isn't about "equality". it's about being delusional with your demands and looking for unicorns.
@@LagunaLeonhart
Oh so in Saudi Arabia where women couldn't drive until 2021? You call that "Islamically" permissible?
What about countries such as Afghanistan and the UAE where women do not even have freedom of dress.
What about marriage in countries such as Pakistan and Turkey? The girls get a lot to do and don't get enough for it.
I am a Muslim, all for Islam of course but the mindset of Muslims in todays cultures need to meet what the Qu'ran and Allah actually tells us to do.
100% true, this is what Muslim females demand once married.
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@TheEndTimesAreHere you scared to death
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@TheEndTimesAreHere too much 🐖 Pork
@TheEndTimesAreHere your salvation is cheap your law according to you died on the cross ,
Pray for me to be istiqamah. Alhamdulillah i have converted to Islam. Islam is a blessing❤️
Alhamdulillah. May Allah bless you and your family and make upon the sunnah of prophet Muhammad SAW.
Thank you so much to Br Mohammed and Sister Naima for discussing such important topic. May Allah preserve you both!
I’m Christian. And I believe and agree with this 100%. I don’t think women can have it both ways, or should even want it both ways. My husband is Muslim, and even though I am a Christian, when we visit his family or really any time he would ask me to do so I wear hijab. Sometimes I wear it on my own just because I like the way it looks and makes me feel. After meeting him I also started dressing more modestly as well, not because he asked me to but because I respect him and his religion and his family and his reputation, and our relationship. I will say that I am bossy lol but I don’t consider that being a feminist that’s just my personality! And we laugh about it a lot. But I found this video to be very enlightening, And good for all women to watch not just Islamic women but all women. Sometimes we need to check ourselves… I’m just saying…
And Naima… The day you decide to have hot girl Summer, let me know! I’m coming! 😂🤣😂🤣
But men have it both ways,do some of you women. Even sit down and think? Most women are working while also taking care of the kids and doing the cleaning, women can't have it both ways but men can?
@@purplelove3666 atlast u said some sensible thing
Kevin Samuels on youtube talks about the problem of religious feminism. He mentions how men in america have left the church because of christian feminists. They are fundamentally feminists first but find religion has benefits of secure marriage over the liberal lifestyle of boyfriends. Problem is they want the best of both worlds.
JazakAllah Khair to both of you for this video.
If husbands respected and didn't humiliate their wives for being financially dependent on them, which women would want to work outside? Why on earth a rational human being would want to put herself under so much burden of both household duties and office duties and child nurturing duties? Yet many women choose to do so, just for the sake of basic human dignity which their husbands deprive them from, when they are dependent. They also have parents whom they would like to support. Why do you blame it on feminism? Since men are natural leaders, they must have lead to this nonsense situation. I want to stay at home as a homemaker, I would like to cook, clean, raise children. Can you give me a guarantee that my husband would not humiliate me for not working, being dependent on him? Can you guarantee that he would not cheat on me when I get old, put me in a humiliating position of having to share him with another woman? What options do I have other than not working?
JazakAllahu khayran for your comment. It is good to see some sense.
MH has a pornography addiction.
Brothers and sisters never forget our oppressed brothers and sisters in your dua and raise awareness for them specially the uyghur brothers and sisters. Our brothers in kashmir are also in great pain. Remember dua is the biggest strength of a believer.
Our beloved prophet(sm) said ,'‘Whoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; if he is unable to, then with his tongue; if he is unable, then with his heart - and that is the weakest of faith.’' Narrated by Muslim in his saheeh
I see you reposting this in several threads and videos to raise awareness. May Allah reward you for your efforts.
@@muneirovalibas6194 ameen and jazakAllahu khyran brother
We are so consumed by the issue of equality , and tricked into believing we have to be where men are. Not only we are selling ourselves short, but also missing out on the advantages of being women, whilst dismissing our right to enjoy the privilege that states what is mine is mine, and what is your is mine 😉
@@nomejest5919
Shes not wrong.
@@nomejest5919
Allah said men will be controlled by women.
This is so true, all men are used by women... Although to be fair they're wired for it.
@@cinna_sultan where did it say that u liar? Go f urself.
@@cinna_sultan No they are not. Go f urself
The fragility of this generation is manufactured. If the advice for them to get help means go to a "therapist", then know they won't find any solutions there. The "mental health" racket is precisely the same people who have manufactured this fragility in this generation.
This was much needed.
It would have been nice to hear different perspectives within the boundaries of Islam. Maybe examples from women in Islamic history who made significant differences and how they managed their personal and professional relationships. Also I think their needs to be a conversation on superiority and inferiority in terms of the sexes and how this power dynamic is very often abused by some men.
Reading is the most realistic route for that these days. The contributions and diverse lives of righteous Muslim women in the past and present is now boiled done to stay home and cook. Alhamdullilah this narrow view is not representative of our history, but you wouldn't know it listening to social media or popular figures these days.
@@amatullahadam8857 so what ur take on these people who want women only confined to kitchens of the house and bed of the husband?
I do feel it’s weird how as a whole, conversations are always more about women issues when in reality even if it’s true, men are more of an issue. We need more discussions about men in marriages etc.
I 100% agree with you. (I am a man)
Some muslim women is influenced by feminism which is destroying marriage and it is pandemic nowadays and to discuss it is not weird in fact it should be discussed more. Look at the title It's about "muslim feminist" so of course they are addressing about that more. You are right that we need to talk about men issues in marriage...INSHALLAH it will discussed in another video.
100% but I don't know why conversations are seemingly only considered from a female perspective rarely the man's.... I can't help but feel it is getting boring, and a lot of men appeared to be jumping on the bandwagon just to attack women now......
@@shajar8187 if you read what i wrote then you'd realise most of your response was pointless. Nothing to do with what i said. I made a point and was specific about the overall discussion on marriage. You did the typical misogynistic thing and somehow flipped it on women.
I hardly see men denying women’s Islamic rights such as her right to receive mehr, but I regularly see women denying men’s Islamic rights such as his right to be obeyed. So who’s really the problem?
Women should pay bills too. Many modern women are going into STEM field careers like medicine, dentistry which are highly demanding and take away from her ability to do household work. She should be fair, split bills with her husband and split household chores with him.
Women HAVE BEEN paying bills,where have you been?!
Ma sha allah brother and sister that was great to talk about these Problems wich we facing today!
what needs to be discussed in the community is the bait and switch tactic in marriage.
Scenario 1: Husband says before marriage, you can work, and i won't force the hijab. After marriage - stay in the house and cover up!
Scenario 2: Woman says, we are a partnership, and we'll build a foundation together. After marriage....yeah that's my right to not work so i'm going to stay at home, and make demands now.
ruins the point of the hijab if you're forced to do the hijab. if you're forced to be modest, its not really modesty coming from you now is it.
@@Zero-fh2wbthat's completely false. It doesn't matter whether your son prays because you force him to, or because he prays out of his volition. You as a man have been charged with the duty of ensuring your. Children abide by the Sharia.
@@KingKhan-vo4zg intention is a central aspect of islam. Praying with no intention to pray is a meaningless and forced prayer. You aren’t truly praying, but praying for for external validation and under the condition of not facing irl consequences. This kind of prayer has no faith
@@Zero-fh2wb that doesn't matter for the father however; the father must still ensure his son prays, and that his daughter observes the hijab.
@@KingKhan-vo4zg the son also has hijab. Every Muslim has a hijab. The best way to ensure your kids follow the hijab and prayer is if you guide them to have the willful intent to do so. Forcing them arrogantly not only goes against the proper way to treat people, but its counterproductive to actually trying to make them want to pray or wear hijab. So yourr point is completely hypocritical
His not wrong.. I’ve come across the feministic behaviour upon Muslim women is more darker then non Muslim feminists. The Muslims feminist mis use the Deen and western narrative as the foundation for her actions and life choices wen u hear them speak about life experiences and even the Deen u hear it from the vibe she’s giving out from her words. My advice for men stay away from feministic women or even those women make too much demands. Leave those women for men who don’t respect themselves
Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Whose hands have gathered up the wind?
Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is the name of his son?
Surely you know!
@@maluill what are u even on about
Hi Brother Hijab, I've been watching your videos for a very long time. But, can you have a debate with this Christian Prince? We've been all waiting for this. Assalamualaikum and peace 🙏😊
The last advice was very well put and highly crucial
Seeing a lot of female Muslims in the comment section being vexed by the podcasts.
To all of them, it is important to look both sides of the coin before you come to a decision. Since, modern society has prioritized only one narrative and that too of victim hood. Therefore, this talk is enlightening as it provides fresh context and angle.
Instead of being offended, listen and question yourself rationally while not assuming everything about each gender.
As a Muslim women, I have never ever felt the need to be a femimist and to talk about women's empowerment / accomplishments or big women up in some special kind of way. I really have never felt the need to do that and I guess I owe that to the environment I grew up in and how my mother raised me. She's always been the breadwinner of our family as a single parent, my aunts, female cousins all of us women in the family have been independent since childhood alhamdulillah and we never saw any hierarchy mirarchy patriarchy bla bla whatever. Or feel like we have to celebrate women in some special way whenever they achieve something.... To me that's like making women lesser than men when they do that. It's like because she's expected to be less smart, less of an achiever, less of everything hence when she achieves something, she's celebrated in such a big way. I mean men don't get that?! There's no International Men's Day, masculine movement or whatever.... Men are just men and women should just be women. He achieves something, great. She achieves something, great. Human beings achieved something not "wooow this gender actually achieved something!?" Why make is so damn complicated?! I seriously never understand this
This is what I needed! Subhan’Allah may Allah bless you both
For a woman to say "I don't cook and don't clean at all for you" and for a man to say "I don't do nothing in the house either", aren't both of these cases extrem? I'm not saying it should be 50-50 rather why shouldn't it be appropried to each situation, where both party are satisfied?
If a sister works part-time, and wishes to use her earnings to clean the household,
I think that is reasonable.
Also, the point is What is the primary obligation of wife? And husband? . Of course men should. Not sit around doing nothing. But their primary obligation is towards fulfilling his financial duty and then spending time with wife+ parenting and then whatever time is left should be used for household chores in that order.
This is different from each household. If a man works 8 hours a day at a construction site will OBVIOUSLY be more tired than a man who works 8 hours a day in a white collar job. Thus, the office worker will be able to contribute more towards chores compared to the blue collar worker.
The Bible says in John 3:16-36 that whoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life, the Bible also says in Romans 10:9 that those who declare with their mouth that Jesus Christ is their God, Lord, and Savior they shall be saved. Revelation 1:8 says that Jesus is the alpha and the omega. Luke and revelation is the ending times, and Jesus is returning back. So are you going to submit your life to him or no? Narrow is the path that leads to the gates of heaven, but only few people find it. The gates that is the path to destruction is where many people find it! Jesus loves you SO MUCH! That he died on the cross, and was resurrected from the dead 3 days later to give us eternal life..!.!.!.
Stay away from the people opinions or the society fitna of an opinion and go back to the Quran and Sunnah surely you will find the Haq of your existence and responsibilities for one another may Allah make us sincere and accept our doings
A very interesting and valuable conversation. Mental health comes with Prayer, Diet, and Remembrance of Allah. Other things fall into place when you remember Allah.
The fact that grown women need to be told that is mind boggling
femenism, where women want both the privileges of men and women, but the accountability of a toddler
Every human needs to be told what to do.
You are a creation and servant of God.
@@profanotherletter4346 can I take this quote?
@@ZaineBization thank u for notifing me there was a grammar mistake lol
@@profanotherletter4346 really? then why marry? better stay single and maary a man who will have the same views as u
On a serious note do we really have such women who want the same traditional benefits from her husband but don’t perform any traditional duties I’d actually use word Islamic duties? I’m not lying but I love to clean, cook and do house chores I rather stay home and do all of this instead of doing this to people outside for few quids. Not only It would bring harmony and blessings in your married life also your husband won’t look out IF he’s truly a gentle man. 😅
You would be surprised sis it’s actually very common. One Muslim feminist women try to convince me that there is such a thing as an Islamic feminist and that Muslim women are naturally feminists
If I could give this video a million likes, I would. May Allah guide us all.
This woman has an absolute hell of a character.....me being a traditional masculine guy , im telling u that she could easily tame her guy .....tame in a good sense of islam where woman has full charge of her house especially upbringing of kids and supporting a man lock stock and barrel.....glad to see such sisters are still around
@M Ahmed cant comprehend what triggered you.....i think you are a sad sad person if not dumb .....dial down punk or read the comment again..... whats pervy about it.....maybe its your mind
They took both parent's out of the house to let their flith of a propaganda education system to control and teach their children to be corrupt
This is not a stance against this video, but I feel like you guys are missing the point of the Muslims feminist’s desire to prioritize career.
Point 1: The whole point of working is financial independence over dependence on the husband. Financial independence allows women to get out of bad marriages and leave bad men. Most Muslim feminists don’t look at work as obedience to other than your husband. It’s simply a safety net. Would you rather be stuck in a bad marriage or have the financial measures to leave? Most women would choose the latter. So you need to address why it’s better to not have that safety net, or at least why it’s better not to have the safety net in the form of a career and offer other solutions. Maybe then we can actually get somewhere in this conversation.
Point2: I understand that this assumes that all men are abusive. But you have to understand most of us know someone who has an abusive husband, and we’ve seen our mothers and neighbors being treated worse than dogs but unable to leave. And the elder women in our community that tell us to prioritize career because of this. So, this dependence has become scary for most women. It’s very much ingrained for us in the West. You hear stories of husbands doing unspeakable things, and a career is a protection against a potential trap in a bad marriage. Or even outside of abuse, say the husbands die. Then what? Our brothers and fathers can only financially support us after that for so long. So my question is what can we do to combat this mindset and the rampant abuse in communities?
Your points are good, but they aren’t getting to the roots of why. I’d like to see you address some of these things because I assure you women aren’t going to submit to their bosses for no reason. No one would want to submit to anyone else unless there’s a reason. It’s because they feel submitting to husbands and being his dependent is worse. And there is a reason why.
Point 1: You can say no to marriage. In Islam, you have that right. You can deny a traditional husband who expects to have a traditional wife. A better idea is don't get married if you can't say yes with trust. Look for another husband or another type of husband. You can work out roles as partners too with someone, but it's a bit disgusting to go into a marriage assuming there'd be some major issues like that and that you're backing yourself up with a career as your runaway avenue. I don't think it's far out to say most good Muslim men would find that lack of trust unsettling.
Point 2: Perhaps make videos like this. What he is describing is a point of abuse. Whataboutism doesn't address anything. Actually, there's plenty of videos on domestic abuse though, one from Bayyinah that I say yesterday comes to mind. But more community involved efforts perhaps, as with this issue too. If you want to know my honest opinion, your career has nothing to do with getting abused at home to tell you the truth. That's more the topic of who you choose to marry in the first place. Perhaps having a good career can connect you to certain Muslims that are less abusive? But you need to straighten out what is actually causing what first and what is not an appropriate answer. Current feminism is a lack of appropriately understanding things in their proper contexts. If you don't like it, don't get married to a traditional husband who expects to have a traditional wife while requiring him to fulfill traditional needs?
This isn't meant to be a personal attack, just simple answers to simple questions. At the end of the day, women need to not be leeches and men need to not be abusive. It's hard to tell who's who, so the issue can go both ways where an ugly side of the spouse comes out later. But, going into a marriage, you should absolutely go in with trust and happiness and expecting a good outcome with someone whom you or your family has done an adequate job "interviewing". Maybe not enough is done in this sector pre-marriage actually.
@@Saib1737 Well we all take precautions going into marriages. A contract, a prenup, etc. Its not necessarily going into marriages thinking he will hit you, it’s because anything can happen. If he dies, actually does turn out abusive, or just has another issue, she needs a precaution. A career is that precaution for a woman. I’m sorry to say but I’ll repeat this point: in women’s circles we are aware of too many women who can’t leave abusive relationships. This doesn’t have to be physical abuse, it can be neglect, emotional abuse, frequent verbal abuse. All of this is a direct reaction to how women are treated in marriages. We see the bad marriage archetype so much that it is now scary to financially trust someone. You also have spoken to this person only a couple of times before marriage.
I would 100% trust myself to a man who can be guaranteed to me will be kind and compassionate. Anyone would. The fact that they aren’t says something about how we view men. And don’t get married is not a solution, it’s accepting failure. We have an obvious and ongoing discrepancy between the two genders. We have to talk about to and sort it out.
@@nidafatima3266 I acknowledge your point and the realness of the issue, I've had two women family members go through a divorce due to abusive relationships. Moreover, my mom has always been the breadwinner in the family. I know what these issues and perspectives are first hand. Both of those women stayed in my home after their divorces in the interim, or fallout I should say.
When it comes to these things, I think there are precautions to take, but it's more about putting effort into the heart of the matter to find someone right, and knowing how to find someone. You can have a career, my mother has a pretty successful one and she's in a pretty big position now. Again, the issue I think is finding a good relationship, because in both or those failed relationships, the women's family I believe did a poor job of the interview process, and in both cases, the woman moved far away from her immediate family to another state or country.
While these points of protection are valid, it's a separate issue from this video here, and getting a career in general, and we can go on and on. But simply, if you want to work, work. My mom did, but she and my father both did home things together too even when she was responsible for paying for things.
Sacrificing one thing or the other isn't necessary. Abusive men are inexcusable, but so are women that act as leeches or that excuse their home duties by "prioritizing their independence" this way (ie. can opt to work and do home duties at the same time though for an alternative). As a wife, you become dependent no matter what. You give up the obligation of your body and protect the husband's rights, and place the heart of your financial trust to your husband. That's the main and simple dynamic. A man has his own duties, and he is supposed to protect the woman entirely. This assumption and perspective of yours assumes the man isn't going to do his duty, which is a fallacy in saying yes to an Islamic marriage.
Due to that fallacy, my main point is centered around a solution being that more work goes into the family interview process or perhaps some community organized work. And second, yes, you can still work. Just don't leech or disobey or disrespect your husband. That was the point of the video too, and it was mostly about disrespectful women. I guess you said your points were separate to begin with, but I wanted to make it distinct from what is being discussed.
Abusive husbands, women working (in which there is no problem for that by itself), and abusive women, are 3 different topics with different pathophysiologies you could say. You are mixing the first two and that's where it gets confusing, especially as it's in the context of the 3rd topic :/
Very true
@@nidafatima3266 precautionary measures shouldn't be exploitative. when she wants a career it's for herself, and his career should be for himself, and then woman shouldn't be expecting traditional chivelry and make her sign pre-nup as a precautionary measure, and also shouldn't even get her a ring coz she is independent to get her for herself, and a man should get all the rights over his children coz custody of the children was suppose to he for a traditional woman who takes care of them all day and not leave them at home and go and pleases the boss. a woman shouldn't expect any financial assistance from a man, to this day 80% of the woman drive in a mans car, wants men to open the door, wants men to buy them food, have groceries, propose them with a ring? why? when was the last time you've seen bending knees and proposing a man? a precautionary measures shouldn't always be for a woman, but men should do it too. to this day, woman choose guys who are more financially stable than them, who are taller than them, who could give them protection, I've never seen a man saying i need some woman to protect them. being in business or having a job is your own thing, but at home you still should have traditional value system as you expect him to have? tell me why are woman leeching money off of mens wallet even after divorce if they're independent? why are they taking away children from him , the most valuable assets in their lives? is he second class parent now?
"They want the traditional benefits, but without the traditional responsibilities." 2:55
Excellent discussion , both speakers are very concise and well articulated. Excellent advice by the sister in the end.
@TheEndTimesAreHere salvation is not needed, its a scam dont fall for it, you need no intercessors to God, ask for Him alone.
Please Mohammed hijab even though you are very knowledgeable and you make good points, you don't let the guests speak enough on your podcasts. I wanna hear them speak more. Jazakallah khair Sheikh
It's a podcast, not a Q&A.
@@krosskross1221don't start arguments over nothing
If a man comes home from work & asks his wife to prepare lunch or dinner for him, why do women get so pressed about it?
Why do women say 'Do it yourself, I'm not your slave' ?
Can someone explain to me?
I will explain....When a woman goes to work and comes home there is no one to make her dinner. She makes it herself, feeds her children, cleans the kitchen, sorts out the paperwork, does the ironing and getting ready for the next day and in between all this enduring she keeps up with her prayers. If men are stronger than women why can't they do any of this? It's not going to kill you to get your own breakfast or come home and make dinner. Cooking and cleaning are basic life skills that everyone should have and shouldn't be afraid to use. Having said all this of course if one is the provider naturally the other is or should be the homemaker. But don't expect it. Women in Islam are not maids. They are God given life companions.
@@nh-fl7zr if that is the case, why do they even get married ? Don't you still expect your man for protection and provision ? He will not have to marry a woman. Because, that is his single life. And he won't have to provide for a leach. That is the point
@@Mark-go7qm A leach. That isn't how women are described in Quran. Maybe he marries her because men and women have been created as companions for each other. Maybe it's because The Creator knows the nature of man and has recquired that if he is to have sex he has to show responsibility towards the person he has sex and procreates with. But mainly it's because they can be a comfort to each other. If you think a womans role is just to cook and clean you're lost. Read Quran and dont be lazy.
@@nh-fl7zr if you think men are there to provide , protect and cook for women, I think you are lost. Women are not living how Qur'an Said.
@@Mark-go7qm Ermmmm....doesn't Allah tell men that they are the providers and protectors of women. I think you should have a read.
May Allah SWT bless our Sister Na'ima and May Allah SWT bless our brother Muhammad Ameen
MashaAllah Jazakillah khayr Sister Na'ima
So you are judging all Muslim feminists based on some sisters and a pamphlet, brother. This is not inclusive and emphathetic. Sister Naima is more respectful. Personally, I found the way the brother spoke a little bit disparaging and disrespectful. This conversation is alienating and does not include different perspectives. For example, men may also listen to their boss but not their wife. A working woman is also tired when she gets home. Just like a man, she may feel suffocated in certain contexts when she gets home after a day of tolerating a possibly bad boss. The problem is more the strains capitalism and a materialistic society places on us. And of course, Deen and mental health are important in surviving as Naima mentioned.
There are different sects of feminism. The extreme man-hating form is just one of them and probably the most popularized in media. Feminism arose historically because women were being denied basic rights in the west. I agree that now some women take it to the extreme. But that's not what feminism is about. Demonizing it takes away all of the work it has done in the past and may do for people who truly need it. It makes fighting for women's rights harder because it empowers the oppressor as they laugh their crimes off saying, she is just another man-hating feminist. Likewise, some women misuse and oppress their husbands under the guise of feminism (and of course Shaitan whispers too). Both are equally horrible! Islam and feminism can be compatible depending on what version of feminism you proscribe too.
Why need feminism tho? Doesn't Islam already give woman their right ?
@@moralisoppression2837 been observing muslim feminist for yrs, what they are discussing on online groups. basically these women want to reform islam to match it with western ideology. they have internalized western ideology their worlview, right, wrong, justice, injutice etc they get from it.
so when they see teaching of islam contradicts their western ideology they look for to deny it, they couldnt find any way, i mean how could they, there are clear teaching in quran, authentic haith & almost all muslim believe in it, Islamic Feminism allows them to reject it, if something you dont like is present in hadith you just deny it, deny ijma, if something you dont like is in quran you cant reject directly, you have to do a small ploy, just say you accept what quran says but you dont accept this interpretation, no matter how clear the verse is just throw it on interpretation, or just say that was for that time etc, to get less resistance from common muslim dont even dare to say you want to reform islam, if they ask you why you adopted islamic feminism or muslim feminist just say muslim men arent giving us our rights so thats why you need islamic feminism & islamic feminism is all about rights islam gave to women, lay muslim will believe you & you will get less resistance & can infiltrate muslim community
I disagree with your point that feminism has different sects. You fail to see the subtle man hating strategies ALL feminists use, and mainstream feminist are the major representation of feminism. End point. There is no "extreme vocal minority that hates men". No. 3rd wave feminism is all about pitting women against men.
@@CaliphForCaliphate 100% right, spot on with that comment
This is what reformists say. There is no place for feminism in Islam. Feminism has no place but in the garbage bin. If I see how it destroyed non Muslim families. I actually feel bad for them. This cancer cannot spread.
Mohammed Hijab is a gem to the Muslim community.
what about rise of male muslim feminist? Men demanding 50/50 sad times seen it first hand in dating scene for marriage.
Wow mashallah, sister Naima is an amazing role model for muslim women and girls
If hijab doesn't retract from this error of drawing rulings (punishment) from logic, when he said the higher the attributes the higher the punishment in his scdawah speakers corner debate. I'll listen him no more. Bcoz Allah is the only maker of rulings. Not logic.
We only use logic in our narrow mind to understand things, but not to draw rulings.
He drew line from tree to child to allah as if that line fits Allah. Augmentation
Sorry for hijab.
The other issue is that some Imaams have gone around saying that the traditional role of a woman in the household (i.e. cooking, cleaning, maintaining the home, etc) isn't a requirement for the wife to perform. This has been destructive for the domestic balance in many homes. They've deluding them to think that Shariah says that they have next to no responsibilities at home and that anything they do is some sort of charity for their husband.
As a musoim man. I'm not going to marry ever, it sound like the most unfair marriage system to me.
@@alnauf8463 then dont
MH barber finally fixed him up اللهم بارك
We should be looking up to wives of the prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam). If they are called the Umm Al Mu'mineen, then they are the noblest example to follow. So how we can we prefer western and feminist values and customs for a family and married life? May Allah grant us knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Jazakallah khair to brother Mohammed Hijab and sister Naima Robert.
I do understand the concerns these women have on traditional societies suffocating them with too much restrictions but that's not how Islam views the role of women. Unfortunately, these type of women have chosen Feminism ideals more than they believe in Islam; in fact some of these women are way too extreme than western European Feminists
I only listened to Naima because Mo Hijab here unfortunately is making such degrading statements it's really sad to listen and unfortunate to listen to - I thought he was above such low intelligence tbh, I'm a bit surprised. "A woman who works in the office *must* flirt with the man a little bit to get what she wants....." What a degrading sweeping statement that can literally creep into minds creating false suspicion and break homes. So so so irresponsible of him. So immature.
subhanAllah, he's obviously had bad experiences and he's not fulfilling his responsibility of keeping his personal experiences out of things if he wants to be an influential Muslim, with many unlearned men also listening to him.
How disappointing.
Naima killed it though. Refreshing aA.
@The Alpha so having a problem with Hijab's choice of words makes me a feminist? Even though I just said everything Naima said was refreshing and needed. Quite a few assumptions being made by you because the egos been hurt. Don't mix up masculine ego with feminism. Not very fitting of an "alpha".
By the way, when women make such assertive assumptions such as all men are trash or animals or Ra*ists. Most women go along with it completely and no one raises a voice.
But many high profile cases have shown that how many women in the corporate world do this to get promotions
You’re right, it was uncomfortable hearing him making sweeping statements. No one is beyond being wounded from trauma. Both men and women have been wounded by bad experiences with the other gender.
For the sake of our own growth, we should still try and take the good.
Felt the cringe too when he said that.
Sister was so firm and aware of the 'self' and its rights and duties as a self and calling out to what is not.
Anyway, Islam removes any need for so called feminism. The idea is itself distorted. The problem here is with some men and women who let their egos rage. It is applicable for both humans. Feminism is harmful behaviour, so is Sexism. Both are extremes.
We are Muslims and the distinctive characteristic of Islam is modesty. There is no place for untamed ego or self for both men and women , as it is nowhere near modest at all. Both Muslim men and women have unique responsibilities and are uniquely beautiful in their own. And should be pleased with Allah's laws and creation. SubhanAllah.
It's not for us to feel superior or feel self important. What is ego but 'Nafs'. man or woman we follow Sunnah.We sometimes assume that it is acceptable, especially for men, to have a large ego. In fact, in some societies, boys are encouraged to adopt a sense of self-importance and supremacy.
But did Prophet Muhammad ﷺ establish an air of superiority about him? On the contrary, various aspects of his life reveals his humble, forbearing, and selfless nature.
There is no place in Islam for inflated 'nafs' or 'self'. The immature people out there should stop making it about man vs woman. Instead should be made about 'self'.
Tame it, nurture it, self-regulate so that it can progress into becoming 'good' and 'inwardly meaningful' through its thoughts and actions and doesn't bring any harm to others or ownself.
@@speakjustice6303 this is applicable to men but also to a lot of women especially the archetypal feminist
First time listening to Naima B Robert and MashaAllah how articulate she is! May Allah bless you both for presenting us such an amazing and important discussion!
Masha Allah very important and beneficial
May ALLAH bless you both ❤️
I invite everyone to get more knowledge about ISLAM🇹🇷
''go to Oxfam and put your hand out like this'' 😂
Mashallah, Excellent advice from the sister.
Mohammed Hijab, going strong as always mashallah, Alhamdulillah.
its really important this debate is really important we need this debate in muslim world we need to enagage this muslim feminist in this debate
Masha Allah we like to hear this topic every night.. Thanks brother hijab be blessed.. From Kenya Asalam Aleykum..
I don't know anyone who fits in these discription. With this you are creatine a negative perception/Idea of certain Woman. I know Woman who work hard outsider, don't Obey their Boss , nog scared to het firedbut are hosewives at home for their hisbands and attentive mothers for their childeren. Soms of Them ware hijab, some don't. You guys are giving advise based on fictive ideas you made up in your head. Maybe you saw one of two people like the ones you discribe in your Whole LIFE.
I'm sorry for the typos, autocorrectie is Killing me
@s ha thats the dumbest thing ever. Women should deal with thier womenly problems among each other
@@mohamedm9717 I have gone to many many weddings, janaza'hs, my friends and family, my co-workers; i just DON'T see it. I feel these people are tossing a concept into the world that rarely exist with the consequence that man are starting to fear woman, acting out a strategy on something that is not common. Which in turn has it's affect on woman. We are trying to defend ourselves from man who believe this and act out on this. Woman don't speak out much, they only get a platform when they speak for this concept, not against. So it only takes a small thing to happen and it's attributed to feminism.
@@mariammoumi9622 This is very common among the muslim youth nowadays, I'm surprised you haven't seen it, you must be 30+ years old
@@reezis1619 I am 35, but do you really think that's the reason?
Excellent podcast.
May الله give every good muslim man a good muslim woman, and a good muslimah a good muslim husband. Ameen.
at last some one addresses this problem
So if a woman follows Islam and expects her husband to take care of her, she should accept Islam without question and if she wants more rights, she should pay half bills. This had nothing to do with religion but these people make me realize why people link Muslims with reduced women's rights. It's between husband and wife how they want to contribute to the relationship and not anything about religion. Very pathetic thinking
No. Whats the point here is that muslim feminist women often cite "men are responsible for all the financial part of family" and claim Islam honours them, but when it comes to obeying their husbands, serving them in return, they say "we are your partners not your maids"
Well fuckimg guess what? It's not fucking fair that a man has to provide everything but then everything else should be 50/50.
@@alnauf8463 where does Muslim word come into play here? Women from any religion look upon men as providers, it's been how it's gone on since ancient times. And every individual differs, many men like to provide for their women and many women too provide for men. What is Muslim feminists? If a guy irrespective of his religion wants to take responsibility more than the women than he can and if he doesn't, he should clarify that too before marriage. Why attach tags as to Muslim, women or feminism.
@@elara2498 You are so ignorant and dumb. Please, I'm so tired having to read this stupidity. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT?!
Word Muslim is the central topic of the video, or maybe you are commenting on a wrong video?
Hypocrisy (accidental?) and ignorance in the comment.
First of all (not quite related but needs to be mentioned), yes Islam is to accepted in it's entirety. If you disbelieve in a single ayah of Qur'an, you have left the fold of Islam.
Second, you can't sit on two chairs. Islamic life or liberal western life. Choose.
Islam has rules (you seem to be ignorant of this), including those pertaining to marriage.
You cannot take your Islamic rights but not fulfill your Islamic responsobilities. That's hypocrisy.
And third, Islam has a lot of laws on marriage and duties of men and women in marriage. They are set for spouses to follow. Compromise can come after that.
@@fisebilillah4406 who are you to decide what form of Islam is correct? God better knows whose religion will he accept. So shut your unjust tongues that speak only to show strength over weak ,vulnerable and women. It's people like you who are responsible for defaming of Islam
They want to destroy the family unit
Ma shaa Allah amazing guest!
JazzakAllaahu khairan we needed this, the sister nailed it Alhamdulillah. Sadly Muslims women are forgetting their duties.
Men are too
@@cinna_sultanyes. in this case its the so called feminist Muslims.