From the initial view, it looks like he lifted his right rear wheel, turned the bars left to compensate and ran out of road because of the curve. Root cause looks to be speed. Glad he is ok.
Speed and operator error. Had he shifted his weight or slowed down, the crash would not have happened. Even if kept the tire up and continued through the curve, he would have been ok. It’s not unlike the first time you scrape pegs, if you freak out, you’re in trouble.
I was riding the Tail of the Dragon a couple of years ago, on my 2012 Tri-Glide and going around a right hand curve like that one, my right wheel came off the ground. I was going too fast into the turn and was riding the inside of the lane. I went into the other lane, turned the wheel harder, that is what brought the wheel off the ground. I let off the throttle, sraightened the wheel to bring the tire down and got back in my lane as a Mercedes came around the next turn towards me. The pucker factor was high to say the least.
I know now what can happen if you go into a curve to hot. I've been pushing the limits on my Tri -glide lately, I think I'll slow down a bit in the curves. I've been thinking about this possibly happening to me and telling myself no you can handle this trike. Well now I've been schooled, I want to be around a little longer. Thank you for posting this.
You can feel when you’re getting close to a problem. Just don’t put yourself in that position, I try not to. I try to straighten the corner as much as possible If possible. Have fun keep riding.
it is my experience that trikes dont lend themselves easily to sharp curves and speed. not a twisties kind of bike. it's really a touring bike. any bike can lose it in a curve though. it is a wise choice to ride safely my friend.
Hi Kevin, I’m glad the rider is OK. I think the rider accelerated about halfway through the corner. This caused the front tyre to loose grip and understeer. The rider backed off the throttle and turned harder, this caused the inside rear wheel to lift off the road. This caused a reaction from the rider that sent the Trike off onto the gutter. As you have mentioned, off camber corner and downhill also contributed to the accident. I may be totally wrong, just adding my thoughts.
Wow, I am glad the rider is ok, when he hit that curve the rr lifted up and shifted all the weight to the front end making it impossible to correct the steering angle
No kidding, The dumbest ,most unstable ridiculous things on the road. hard to believe these things are even street legal. If you have got to the point where you cannot handle a motorcycle, buy a convertible.
No Thanks! Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
I let my motorcycle license expire 13 years ago and hadn't ridden since. I've never owned a Harley before, never been on a trike, but I bought a 2023 Road Glide 3 less than three months ago. It was great fun, but I was intimidated by the feel during cornering, like I was going to roll off the bike. I'm about 3k miles into the trike, and I've gotten more comfortable with cornering, and after I put on a Sundowner seat, my backside is a lot happier. Your video was an eye-opener, and turned me into a fan of your channel. Thank you SO MUCH for talking about trikes. Looking forward to your follow-up.
@@rosemaryus-ct6151 I didn't realize what a difference it would make. Before the Sundowner upgrade, at the end of a ride I'd be stiff as a board and my back would hurt. After the upgrade, that is gone... now I just want to keep riding. If I'd known the Sundowner was that good, I'd have had one installed before I drove the trike home from the dealer. BIG difference.
So. This is why they shifted away from the trikes in the dirt. Many of you will remember. The Honda 3 wheelers that were everywhere early in the 80s. They enabled people who were unable to ride a bike to get out there and tear it up on the dirt. After several high profile crashes resulting in severe injuries they were actually outlawed. The main risk is that they only crash one way. Over the top. On 2 wheels you can lay it down. Whether you slide sideways or even if you lose traction in the front... you have the ability (not always) to lay it down and slide. You never want to go over the top and fall forward... what makes it worse is then the bike is following you. Its even worse on 3 wheels. And magnified when the 2 wheel axle is in the rear. You cant lean so corners need to be taken appropriately for the chassis. Sidecar riders ovten lift the gack off the ground. But for whatever reason thats more controlable. Perhaps because the 2 wheel remaining on the ground are in alighnment rather than out of alignment. Not a big fan of 3 wheels. Harley would do better to bring back sidecars. Im 67 now... in a few years I might be in the market. Only way Id go for 3 wheels.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
There was a recall on the 2019-2020 Trikes you can see more about that at this link - th-cam.com/video/8bR9OTCRZAc/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
Years ago, I built a VW trike. I used a Honda Goldwing dual disc front end and the rear clip from an later model non swing arm car. It was about 900 lbs. the fuel was carried under he frame. It had far more wheel base and was wider than the Harley trike. The handling was predictable and it never lifted a rear wheel. The center of gravity was about as low as it could be and because of the placement of heavy components like the battery, it wasn’t prone to wheelies. My wife drove it with no trouble. The Harley trike looks too short, too narrow, and with a rather high CG.
Sounds like an awesome build! I am glad that you were able to build a Trike that works well for you and your wife. Harley Trikes can be ridden aggressively as well. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
A trike with one wheel at the front and two at the rear is inherently unstable. The rear tyres and wheels are basically items from a car and are pretty weighty. The front tyre is a motorcycle tyre with a tiny contact patch in comparison with the rear set-up. The momentum of the rear wheel/tyre/axle will easily over-power the ability of the front tyre to steer or brake. I notice that in the first left-hand bend, the trike rider applies the brakes. Then, in the right-hander which led to the crash, the brakes were also applied. I do not know if the front and rear brakes on this trike are linked, but applying the brakes midway through a corner is not a good idea and suggests that the rider was going a bit too quickly for the trike's capabilities or his own. Oddly, the brakes come off just before the crash itself. I suspect the front wheel lost traction owing to over-braking and the momentum from the weight of the rear axle/wheel/tyre arrangement wanting to push the trike forward instead of round the bend! I'm so pleased that your friend was un-injured in this spill. Hopefully he is back in the saddle! Love and peace.
Can-Am Spyder's or other bikes with two wheels in the front and one in the back can tip over too. Go to the 3:57 minute mark and the 4:02 minute mark in the video link below and you can see two different Can-Am's tipped over in spite of their anti roll bar. - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html Can- Am's have an anti roll bar just like Harley Trikes do. Harley just calls it a Pan Hard Rod. The above video link would be worth watching to help understand the suspension on a three wheel bike. You may also find this video useful/interesting - th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
Trikes with one wheel in front are far more dangerous than a 2 wheeler! If you need a trike ( I do, because of a right leg amputation) than consider a CanAm, 2 wheels in front, much safer, better handling, faster, more reliable.
OR, one can learn how to ride a HD Trike, and it will handle very well....and I speak from a couple hundred thousand miles of experience on 3, they are much safer than 2 wheels for a variety of reasons...not the least of, people in cages see you much more on 3 than 2. Here's a couple of videos on the subject. th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html KP
had a friend buy a trike and ask me if i'd go with him, and ride it back to his place. it was fun, but trikes are a different animal. to me, it appears the rider panicked when the rear wheel lifted. has probably never had that happen before. you see the rear wheel lift, and the rider steer into it. had he just eased off the throttle, and maintained the turn, he would have ridden through it. by no means am i criticizing his riding. it's what i see in the video.
I learned to go slower on my 2013 I had a few years ago. Was going to fast and ended up in the the other lane, luckily there was no traffic coming on the other side. Now I have a 2020 and I still go slow because of my mistakes. Glad he is okay. Also getting the Next Gen shocks help!! ThXnx DK!!!
Yeah, it is always important to ride within your capabilities. Glad you did not wreck! Here is the video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB
Going too fast for his setup. Also, there's a reason the Honda 3 wheelers were banned in the 80's. When the weight transfers to the front, if there is any side load they go over easy.
Not only do people forget about the ban but the community stigma is that if your afraid or incapable if leaning then get a trike, making riders think that 3 wheels are safer than 2 wheels. This results in rider overconfidence, the number 1 cause of crashes.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
they were banned in the 80's because they weren't nearly as safe as trikes now. they do not go over easily anymore. when ur base weighs over 1200 lbs, the center of gravity is low and the rear footprint is nearly five ft wide u have an extremely safe base. he was just going too damn fast.
Typical "3 wheeler ban" statement. Most did not have the talent to ride them and exceeded their abilities. young kids on adult machines were a leading cause of accidents too. We rode Big Reds, 250SXs and 250Rs. Still here.
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
So much the same, agreed. Remember COG though, that plays a huge role, as does the suspension, as does the panhard rod, and other factors. Bottom line is that the HD trikes can be ridden aggressively, WITH the proper technique, and not tip over....as evidenced by the first video linked above. Also, here is another video showing the activity going on with the HD Trike suspension when lifting a rear tire off the ground. th-cam.com/video/3Z4HN6Lv3ko/w-d-xo.html KP
What happened to me when I was riding my first trike .I for got I was on a trike and leaned into a corner and was heading to the outside. Had to tell my self sit up lock core muscles push and pull don't lean dummy. After that I was all good .
First thing I'll say is that this curve was NOT an "off camber" curve. The inside of the corner was quite a bit lower than the outside meaning that it was a "banked" curve. If it had been "off camber" that would mean that the outside of the turn is lower than the inside. There's no reason to try to blame the road or the conditions for this crash. It was absolutely rider error. The rider did not counter balance, meaning to lean to the inside of the turn, and it appears to me that the rider applied too much front brake in a panic, the point where the trike wobbled suddenly, which caused the trike to flip violently. Too much front brake in a turn, even on a trike, will result in a crash. When the front wheel stops suddenly the rear wheels will come past the front whether it happens horizontally or vertically it will happen. I've been riding 49 years and I still ride every day. I've wrecked everything with wheels every way you can imagine. I've been broke up, busted up, cut up and skinned up! I feel confident that what I said happened is what resulted in this crash. I see no other explanation for it. I could be wrong though. I have been once before.
The rider was riding outside of his capabilities. Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
Thank you for posting this guys. I do wonder if when he applied the brakes contributed. If he applied the brakes while in the turn and it was tight , could the ABS if the tire lifted contributed?
In owning a HD freewheeler I can say that owning and riding a trike is a job. You can’t expect to ride hard or ride on roads that most won’t. You have to respect the bike and know its quirks and limits. If you don’t you will pay. If you want to be aggressive in riding buy a two wheeler. DK needs to make T shirts saying “ respect the trike “. Mine got me through two knee surgeries. It allowed me to stay on the road. But I was exhausted after a day of pushing through turns. Upper body strength is the result of riding one.
Nice shirt idea! I will pass it along! Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
That’s the one thing I like about my Endeavor trike 2 wheels in front Harley conversion. It sticks to the twisties like glue way better maneuvering and braking, much harder to roll. Would independent rear suspension help with the rear end staying planted ?
When I ask trike owners about this very stability issue, not that I'm aware of an issue but I HAVE driven tricycles as a preschooler and have turned them over, I have always been authoritatively informed that these were much safer in curves than a bike because the low CG combined with the weight keeps them from toppling over. I never called anybody on it, but sure did feel like it was a BS rationalization for them to spend the big bucks to buy one.
Any motorized transportation can be dangerous if you do not know how to properly ride/drive it! Here is a video that we made about the differences in Two Wheel Bikes and Three Wheel Bikes that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/QglBaUe7iR0/w-d-xo.html Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting!
Here is the video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
I Have a Harley Trike. First this rider held in the clutch on the turne, Second the rider turned wide in order to drop the right side rear wheel. Lastly the rider ran off the road and over turned the trike. What would I have done to recover, I would have leaned hard to the right and got on the rear brake only. Hope this rider is ok,
Not going to hurt to slow down. For those that want to ride aggressively, here is a video that may be helpful- th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html KP
The IMU (Inertia Measurement Unit) works in conjunction with the TC to prevent rollovers. If a rear wheel becomes airborne the IMU will reduce speed and torque to the contact wheel thus levelling you out.
What’s up with him jerking the steering quick to the right as he’s going into the corner just before the tire lifted? This appears to be to be Rider error that see. I’ve got a trike with independent rear suspension that I would’ve been able to ride that out on. I’ve ridden TriGlides and Free Wheelers before getting mine. This is why I chose the route I did. The straight axle isn’t so forgiving in the corners. I just don’t understand why Harley hasn’t started producing them with independent suspension. Or at least give the option. I am glad to hear that he survived with minimal injury.
Great discussion on this crash, On a side note can you discus what change's are required to run a wide tire on the front. considering that change on my 2012 Tri?
We have a trike and you can’t turn corners like you’re on a two wheeler, whether you’re leaning or not. To top it off you’re sitting tall which makes it worse
@@freebehindbars8654…they’re not more dangerous as long as you “ride your ride”. It’s when you step out over your capabilities that accidents happen. Let’s put it this way, I’d rather be on a trike in inclement weather than a two wheeler, because you Can be out in bad weather. I’ve been out in rain that a 2 wheeler would go out in. In the end it was definitely driver error. He was following a 2 wheeler.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
@@geedubb-q1u Probably why that design was outlawed from the ATV market almost 30 years ago. I’m not knocking trikes, they definitely have a place, but…
I have a 2009 triglide. I had heard early on about possibly tipping. I live in the mountains and know curves. If I choose to ride aggressively into curves I lean into the curves and hunch down lowering my center of gravity, like we had to when a kid riding 3 wheel ATCs. It’s served me well so far. Hate to see a good bike/rider down.
Glad the rider was ok. It's a bummer that the trike got so banged up. I'm definitely a Harley fan, but I can't help thinking trikes would tolerate more aggression if the single wheel was in back and the two wheels were in front with caster/camber/toe-in/toe-out to tolerate the physical forces in curves. The main reason 3-wheel ATV's became obsolete. Great educational video!
That guy basically won the lottery by not having any serious injuries. I have had brain surgery and it is not something you want to do. Always put your helmet on before getting on,and don’t take it off until you you are dismounted. It is very easy to lose your balance and when you fall there is a really good chance your head will hit the ground or asphalt or concrete.
Different Strokes for Different Folks!!! Can-Am Spyder's or other bikes with two wheels in the front and one in the back can tip over too. Go to the 3:57 minute mark and the 4:02 minute mark in the video link below and you can see two different Can-Am's tipped over in spite of their anti roll bar. - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html Can- Am's have an anti roll bar just like Harley Trikes do. Harley just calls it a Pan Hard Rod. The above video link would be worth watching to help understand the suspension on a three wheel bike. You may also find this video useful/interesting - th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
I'll preface with I've never ridden a trike. However, it almost looks like he realized he was coming in too hot and grabbed a fist full of front brake to slow down, causing the front end to dip. Plus, the combination of being committed to the right curve was enough to lift that back right tire and sent him off the road. If that makes sense.
Here is the video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB
The rider was certainly lucky to come out of this OK. It is a fact backwheel trikes are inherently unstable. Unlike front wheel trikes a back wheel will oversteer where a front wheel trike understeers. This make a huge safety difference as a front wheel trike will not tip rather slide which is controllable. You will never see a CanAm or Endeavor tipping in a corner that's why they are classified as SportTrikes
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
nonsense they are not inherently unstable. i have a 2018 tri glide and it slides flat. a can am is a sport trike. a tri glide is a cruiser. this has to do with comfort not tipping in a corner.
That's why the 2 wheels should be up front. 3 or 4 wheeled vehicles want to lean over the outside front corner when corner. A canal could have taken that corner twice that speed safely. On these things you need to lean inside and rearward , basicly over the inside rear tire, to help prevent that
Can-Am Spyder's or other bikes with two wheels in the front and one in the back can tip over too. Go to the 3:57 minute mark and the 4:02 minute mark in the video link below and you can see two different Can-Am's tipped over in spite of their anti roll bar. - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html Can- Am's have an anti roll bar just like Harley Trikes do. Harley just calls it a Pan Hard Rod. The above video link would be worth watching to help understand the suspension on a three wheel bike. You may also find this video useful/interesting - th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
I rode a trike for 3 years... completely different than a two wheeler. You have to lean into the turn. If you don't, you will create an unstable situation.
Yes, Three wheel bikes are certainly different than two wheel bikes. Here is a video where we went frame by frame and explain what happened in his situation that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting! 😎
@@DKCustomProducts I watched the video... I believe in Commiefornia, you do not need a motorcycle license to ride a 3 wheeled motorcycle. with that said, people really need to go through a riding course before riding on the street. I have seen way too many people hurt. I stopped riding in large groups because of this. way too many sh*tty riders on the roads. stay safe and thanks again for your videos, which I enjoy : - )
Yes, I agree and I tell people all the time to take your bike to a controlled environment and try different riding styles and ways of correcting. Practice and knowledge can be all you need to survive in a split second decision circumstance. Thanks for sharing and commenting! 👍
We were hit by a road tractor in our lane while on our Trike in 2019 the damage came to $28,000 dollars , body damage was a lot more with multiple surgeries and I now struggle to walk , the Trike took the impact and IMO saved our lives along with God not being thru with us
It looked like the driver took the corner to quick. Maybe he wasn't competent enough and drifted outside his comfort zone. By then it was to late. I am very glad the driver wasn't injured or had a passenger on board.
He was driving a little out of his capabilities! Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain what happened - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
Gotta disagree. Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
LIKE A NORMAL BIKE....GOING INTO CURVES IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN...........BUT ON A TRIKE....THAT IS 100 TIMES WORSE, REMEMBER SLOW DOWN GOING INTO A CURVE, DOWNSHIFT IF YOU NEED TO, BUT SLOW DOWN GOING INTO ANY CURVE............BE SAFE BROTHER AND SISTERS !!!!!!
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
most are missing it . . @13:20 you can see the brake lights come on midway into the corner. This throws weight forward increasing the trike's tendency to lift the inside rear. The rider steers into the slide, dropping the rear again, but by this time he's on the left side of road which is off-camber. We can't see his front tyre to see what's happening, but looking at the riders body it looks like g-force has thrown him off balance to the left of his seat, and he doesn't have enough time or road room to steer out of it. I hope he gets back on soon so he doesn't lose confidence. We learn from our misfortunes and hopefully move on. Best wishes from down under.
To fast inside tire lift Riding like he has a sidecar not on a trike Just because you got 3 tires on the ground don't mean you can't leave the road Slow down in those corners 😎
Yep, slowing down will fix that. Also, employing the correct riding skills, will also work to go even faster thru that curve with no issues. Suggestion is to watch the two videos below, and practice a lot in an empty parking lot. th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html&t This video shows what he did that resulted in the crash- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html The next video link shows how a Trike can easily handle corners like this, and tighter at twice the speed with no issues. th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html KP
Thank god no injuries. I’m curious if he had a 21” wheel on the front and bigger than stock wheels on the rear . I was going to get those but I have been concerned with them throwing off the bikes handling abilities . I kinda feel that a lot of $$ has gone into R&D to determine the best size wheels for these things ?
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
yea, that's typical three wheeler, I don't know why anyone makes a 3 wheeler like that, reverse trike is the superior design. Everyone learned this back in the 80s when they made 3 wheeler off-road bikes.
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
I don’t think it was as much speed as it was a bad angle. On a 2 wheeler you can hug the inside of the turn and lean into it. A trike has no ability to lean so you have to drive it in. IMHO he started turning too late. He was almost at the apex of the curve before he turned. When he saw the error he jerked right on the handlebars. The jerk developed a centripetal force. A bi-product of centripetal force is centrifugal force. The point where the front wheel contacted the road provided a pivot point. The centrifugal force provided a rolling motion, around the pivot point bringing the rear tire off the ground. This vehicle is a triangle. The raising of the tire is not a straight lateral roll. The movement is to the left and forward. As this happens the vertical center of gravity raises at least 50%, further increasing the rolling motion. If you watch a race car, as they go into a turn they drift from the outside of the turn towards the apex of the curve. Approaching the apex they turn the wheel and accelerate (centripetal force) out of the turn allowing the car to drift towards the center (centrifugal force) of the straightaway. The broader turn minimizes the development the development of both forces.
Here is a video where Dwayne and Kevin show the wreck frame by frame and go over what happened that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for commenting! MB
I'm totally amazed ro see all the comments being made here by so-called bikers who need a video like this to be schooled on the obvious differences between a 2 wheeler and a trike , and believe these differences make a trike more dangerous than a 2 wheeler.... So , their view is that if you dont know HOW to do it , it must be dangerous because of the machine rather than because of their lack of knowledge , experience and most of all their lack of SIMPLE COMMON SENSE. Does putting a gun to your head make the gun dangerous or does it prove your stupidity?
The way I see it was due to driver error. What I could see in the video that he was going to fast for the turn and headed toward the other lane, it was then that the right tire left the road. That’s when the rider attempted to compensate by oversteering to the right which would cause the roll over. I have had this happen to me and luckily I had enough space to counter turn to the opposite direction which brought my side hack back down, scared the crap out of me. I’m 77 and have ridden most of my adult life. Most of my bikes were two wheelers except for 5 trikes and one side hack. Riding a trike is a horse of a different color. Going from 2 to 3 is like learning to ride all over again, for myself I feel it is much easier riding on 2 wheels.
Thanks for your comment. 👍 Yes, Rider error, the bike did not malfunction. No, the Rider was not going to fast for the road or the Tri Glide. Tri Glides before him and after him were riding faster with no issues. I believe you will really enjoy the two follow up videos linked below. They go over in detail what happened, and why it happened...the first one goes frame by frame, so it is easier to see. Also, I spoke at length with the RIder to see what he was thinking and doing....and, of course, I was right behind him, so had quite a bit of time to watch how he had negotiated the previous 100 or so curves. th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Yes, riding a Trike is very different, in many ways than a 2 wheeler, and it is the same in many ways. Some folks have experience with quads or 4 sheelers and pick right up on it, others have difficulty with the differences. Here is a video on how to ride a HD Trike aggressively in the curves. th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html As you noted, Side hacks are very different than the HD Trikes, AND 2 wheelers. Thanks for your thoughts and sharing your experience! 👍😎👍
I once rode an ATV 3-wheeler. It would not turn at the speeds I'm use to. It just kept going straight with the handlebars turned. Never again. Not for me. I don't like to be forced to go slow. Death Trap.
HD Trikes are a bit different. Here's a short vid showing how well the Tri-Glide handles The Dragon...11 miles, 318 curves in less than 14 minutes, average speed 47 mph, including being stuck behind trucks two separate times for almost 2 minutes. th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html KP
I did the same thing this past spring, but I went head on with a Range Rover in Arkansas. It was a sweeping left turn, and perhaps I was going at the top end speed wise for that curve. That sweeping left terminated in a 95 degree right hand, and as I turned the bars hard, I inadvertently accelerated and ended up in the wrong lane.i ended up down a ravine 135’ from the impact site. Broke my back and a helicopter ride to Fayetteville. The trike was totally broken, bent frame and the triple tree. I have another trike now and am in the process of getting it back into the configuration for my preference, including Tank lift and Heim Joints from D&K.
Wow. Super glad he’s OK, and he didn’t have a passenger. Having owned old school, and New HD Trikes technology is the way to go. Not to get beaten up by anyone on the channel the other day, I rode my buddies Can-am spider. Two Independent, steering wheels upfront, and one in the back. Man oh, man, zero comparison to the HD. Far superior cornering ability, performance, and power It rode circles around the newest Harley Davidson trike,,, but I guess we’ll leave that up to those that pilot their three wheelers… anyways, thank you for the great content and I look forward to the follow up video.😎
i learned on a can am spyder. lots easier to ride for sure. i got the trike because 1 i like harleys, 2 comfort, 3 secure storage. my goal was long distance travel.
I hear you loud and clear. That is why I’ve stayed with the HD Brand… none of my HD’s have ever left me stranded. And should I ride across America There’s always a HD DEALERSHIP.😎
This is the reason they quit selling three wheeled ATVs. Because people kept flipping them over because they don't corner worth a dam. It's not a real motorcycle. It's a over grown kids trike.
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
Possibly applied his front brake in order to slow down when the right rear wheel first come off the ground. This would ,most definitely exacerbate the problem. A two wheeler in that scenario would have dropped. This is possibly what would have happened to a three wheeler.
I'm glad everyone is safe. I've crashed and seen my uncle crash in front of me, thankfully we are still here. As for this accident, it looks like the driver applied too much forward brake pressure going into the turn. This forced the front of the trike to go forward and once that happened, the "Death Wobble" came into play. The force of going forward from braking during the turn along with the direction of the front tire combine with the angle of the bike and the angle of the road then the release of brake pressure created a motorcycle "Death Wobble". What this driver should have done was apply enough brake pressure before the turn to maneuver the turn safely and release brake pressure before the turn. Doesn't look like y'all were going fast either.
His special angel was watching over him that day for sure. To me it looks like his R tire lifted high and slammed down hard and caused him to over correct and go straight and run off the side of the road into a water gully.... now how do I decide if I need to show this to my wife that rides her own 2018 TriGlide.
The video jogged my memory of my bike (2 wheeler) accident last year. Your buddy on the is luckier then I was, I brock my lower leg so bad my foot was hanging. That is why I am looking for a trick for spring and following you. Give my regards to your buddy and I hope he is doing better/
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Iam a Harley guy, but went i decided to buy a trike because of my wife;s back, i rode them all, but ended up with the can am spyder rt, because of the handing, feels way safer in turns than the tri .
Trikes will raise one side up if you are riding in turns too fast. Independent suspension helps relieve some of this hazard but not as cure. I ride a Trike Goldwing since 2012 and have not raised a rear wheel off the ground yet. The reason is because I do not exceed 70 miles per hour and in turns slow down before the turn starts. Wider rear wheel spacing and longer wheel base trikes are safer somewhat but operating the vehicle within its parameters is the best cure. Like flying a plane, you operate it above its design capabilities you pay dearly.
Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Here is a video we've made on Independent Rear Suspension that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I have heard reports the Harley Trikes tip over, and why most trike riders go for the German Boom trike's, the trouble with Harley Trikes have to narrow a wheel Base,The boom trike's have a lower center of gravity,a leading Link, front end and wide rear wheel Base
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Whoa! I won't comment on what I think caused it as I don't have the expertise to really say. I'm glad that he is okay and wasn't scared away from riding. Godspeed
You are correct he was riding outside of his abilities. Here is a frame by frame analysis of the wreck that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! MB
Thanks for sharing this video , i was thinking about getting a trike ? But not anymore ! Even though i live where there isn’t many curves in the roads , and i hear they don’t ride very well either ?
For every trike accident there are hundreds, if not thousands of 2 wheel motorcycle accidents. Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
u should definitely ride a trike before u buy one. they handle very differently and take getting used to. no countersteering, usually no lean. more work to turn. but ride well? i have a 2018 tri glide and it rides like a dream. when i had the rear lifted i didnt know it would also help with the handling. all i can tell u if ur going too fast it wont matter what ur riding. safe is happy.
Riding the tail of the dragon or similar roads on a 3 wheeler is just not smart because of the physics involved. That’s why way back in the early 80’s when the 3 wheelers started getting popular. After my first initial ride on a friend’s machine I lost interest and did not make a purchase till the 4 wheelers came along and replaced the 3 wheelers.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Its an odd deal. I rode motorcycles 30- 40 years ago and probably could jump on one today and get used to it pretty quickly. I have ridden quads for most of my life, 54. One thing I learned on both was that leaning into the curve is just a natural reaction on both a motorcycle or a quad, you lean or you crash, really no choice, so you learn to do it. This is the problem with trikes especially new riders who have never learned the lean in technique. My body automatically leans into the curves without even thinking. To me that is probably the biggest hurdle a new rider or even and experienced rider MUST learn even when riding a Trike! I even drove 3 wheelers back in the day. Never thought about how unstable they were until I got on my first quad, then I realized how unstable a 3 wheeler can be.
You’ve made some great points! The instinct to lean is definitely ingrained in many riders, and it can be a challenge to adapt that reflex when switching to a trike. It’s interesting how our experiences with different vehicles shape our riding technique. Teaching new riders about balance and leaning, even on a trike, can really enhance their confidence and safety. Here is a video we made on riding aggressively that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html Here is a video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! 👍😎 MB
Just my two cents. I have been there and done that on my trike. This looks like an unfortunate operator error. There are certain speeds and when cornering we should be aware of as far as how to enter them and exit them. Also, with trikes we should definitely use the apex method when entering corners or turns. Glad the operator is ok. And hopefully will try to learn from this incident. 😎
After he started into the corner it looks like he jerked real hard on the handlebars to the right just a moment before the tire started to lift. Stiff rear suspension might also had a part in it.
That sucks. Recently had a similar experience. I highsided my Fat Boy here on veterans day. Was headed to a veterans day lunch, and it was raining. Rear tire slipped out and bike went sideways, rear tire regained traction and high sided. Bike threw me off and went down the freeway into the median. I had crashbars on the bike from Bungking with rear ones made from the DK M8 peg adaptors. These crash bars saved the bike, saved the bike from falling on me in the crash and I walked away from the crash with just a busted lip. I was able to ride the bike home too. Majorly sucks because I had been waiting for vets day because it's one of the few times I can go out and get nice restaurant food and it only costs me some gas. Instead I got a deductible to pay and my bike is out of commission for a while.
That’s even scary to watch. I ride a 2014 and I’ve pushed it many times and never brought a rear tire off the ground. Lower profile front tire and a lift kit in back may could have put the tipping point more forward in the neutral zone.
Rolled my 2017 trike in July 2023 when I hydroplaned backwards into a concrete highway divider at 20mph. Some folks helped me roll it back on it's feet. Did a test start and it fired up the first time. Drove it the remaining 12 miles home. I'll be interested in your post-crash analysis of this red trikes accident. My trike is out of the shop and I have driven it about 1900 miles since. Still love the trike, just more careful around water. Repair cost was right a $17,700 including a new helmet.
Good to hear you are ok. Yeah, hydroplaning is no fun, I always slow down in heavy rain, even if the road is draining well, there can always be "those" spots.
WHOA i'm glad u were only going 20 mph. i only hydroplaned once on my trike when i took a corner too fast on a wet road. fortunately i slid flat and no one else was on the corner. it didnt slide far but i sure learned my lesson on that one.
Hey guys I had a 2017 and I wouldn't ride it on the expressway let alone go over 50 miles an hour it took me 6 months to almost a day to get myself used to cornering I've been riding since I was 8 and I'm 67 now that was my first trike now I've got a 21 and I love it just be safe out there you know the bikes are unpredictable I've always rode a two-wheeler and when I had a hard time holding it up that's when I bought the trike
it is a wise person who knows their limits. when i first rode, 20mph felt like flying. that being said, i always ride on the interstates now; i love it. the speed limit in nc is 70. u have to remember there are no sharp turns on an interstate, no cross traffic, no stops. it is much easier to handle the bike on an interstate than a regular road. dont be afraid to try. go when there's less traffic. when i first tried i stayed on for one exit then did it again until i was confortable. i was terrified at the thought until i just did it and found out how silly i was. i do understand the getting used to cornering on a trike part lol. it's just weird to be upright on a turn. bikes are predictable; it's people that are not. watch out for the other guys.
Holy cow! I'm really glad the rider wasn't seriously injured. I learned early on my trike that you really have to respect the curves and back off the throttle if there's any doubt at all. I'm not saying this couldn't have happened to me because other riders were doing fine going even faster and did fine. Almost any one of a hundred things could have made the difference. Maybe he hit a pebble that the others didn't, maybe he backed off the throttle and response lagged slightly. We'll probably never know. It's a cautionary tale for sure.
Ha Kevin question to you is have you talked to any Honda trikes have ever had something similar happen. I know there is a big difference in the rear ends on the bikes. I have a HD 2020 trike and I'm glad the rider is ok. Please post.
I do not know anyone personally....it has been over 10 years since the last person I know had a Goldwing Trike. He now has a HD Tri Glide. HOWEVER, I did a quick google search and found several report, on the first page, of Goldwing Trikes that have rolled over.
It looked like the inside tire lifted high enough to scare the driver and he chopped the throttle causing the trike to drift off the road on the soft shoulder drop off.
glad the guy is ok. i think he panicked when he felt the wheel come up, and stayed on the throttle, instead of letting off. i don't know trikes, is it possible to counter steer on a trike? but i think the speed after wheel lift played a big part.
@@rosemaryus-ct6151 You should definitely ride your own ride, and not go outside your comfort zone. However, most folks will agree, a HD Trike will out corner most 2 wheel bikes, the sharper the curve, the more the HD Trikes shine! Here's a video you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
The issue of lifting the inside tire on a trike is simple, Ignore it when they tell you not to lean to the inside on a turn. By all means lean and you will not have that tire leave the ground also be sure to be on a trike with independent rear suspension ( Harley does not have this feature). Just be careful as to how far you lean so you do not lean too far.
we were taught to lean on the curve, though it felt silly. i think speed was a big factor here. earlier tri glides just dont corner that well at speed.
Yep. Gotta ride your own ride. If one wants to ride aggressively, it is very important to practice, practice, practice in a big empty parking lot to get very familiar with the ride, capabilities and to develop muscle memory. Here's a video on the subject- th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html KP
I was curious if it's possible that the left rear brake caliper just happen to seize up. Could have been a combo of heat, and fluid age. The rider didn't appear to brake that hard in the turn.
Here is a frame by frame explanation of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! 😎MB
I played the video in loop a dozen times. If I'm reading the tail lights right, it looks like he sped up, then hit brakes to slow, then released the brakes, then the wheel lifted, and the brake lights come on again, then wrecked. Could he have used just the front brakes after the tire left the ground? I realize this is a split-second decision, but I want to learn from this video, and try to avoid this surprise on my trike. So far I try to use both my rear and front brakes in unison on sketchy corners. Just curious if there's any chance it was a front-brakes only application in off-balance that caused loss of control. And if so, would a rear-brakes, only, been a mitigation?
We recorded the Frame by Frame Analysis of the wreck, it should be published on TH-cam within the next 10 days. I think you will find the analysis video very interesting/helpful.
The transition of off camber downhill to immediate uphill with speed all factors. It looked like when the front tire transitions from down hill to the uphill part of the curve the weight transfer with speed caught the rider off guard. Tail of the Dragon has very similar curved road construction. Glad rider was ok.
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From the initial view, it looks like he lifted his right rear wheel, turned the bars left to compensate and ran out of road because of the curve. Root cause looks to be speed.
Glad he is ok.
Speed and operator error. Had he shifted his weight or slowed down, the crash would not have happened. Even if kept the tire up and continued through the curve, he would have been ok. It’s not unlike the first time you scrape pegs, if you freak out, you’re in trouble.
I was riding the Tail of the Dragon a couple of years ago, on my 2012 Tri-Glide and going around a right hand curve like that one, my right wheel came off the ground. I was going too fast into the turn and was riding the inside of the lane. I went into the other lane, turned the wheel harder, that is what brought the wheel off the ground. I let off the throttle, sraightened the wheel to bring the tire down and got back in my lane as a Mercedes came around the next turn towards me. The pucker factor was high to say the least.
If you can't lean, you're halfway to a high side from the start.
From what I seen he lifted the right rear tire on the curve and panicked and tried to turn the front end to compensate the rear end lift on the curve
I know now what can happen if you go into a curve to hot. I've been pushing the limits on my Tri -glide lately, I think I'll slow down a bit in the curves.
I've been thinking about this possibly happening to me and telling myself no you can handle this trike. Well now I've been schooled, I want to be around
a little longer. Thank you for posting this.
You can feel when you’re getting close to a problem. Just don’t put yourself in that position, I try not to. I try to straighten the corner as much as possible If possible. Have fun keep riding.
it is my experience that trikes dont lend themselves easily to sharp curves and speed. not a twisties kind of bike. it's really a touring bike. any bike can lose it in a curve though. it is a wise choice to ride safely my friend.
Hi Kevin, I’m glad the rider is OK.
I think the rider accelerated about halfway through the corner. This caused the front tyre to loose grip and understeer. The rider backed off the throttle and turned harder, this caused the inside rear wheel to lift off the road. This caused a reaction from the rider that sent the Trike off onto the gutter.
As you have mentioned, off camber corner and downhill also contributed to the accident.
I may be totally wrong, just adding my thoughts.
Wow, I am glad the rider is ok, when he hit that curve the rr lifted up and shifted all the weight to the front end making it impossible to correct the steering angle
Hey Jack! Yes, very grateful that he is ok. Trike can be repaired, and fortunately he did not need any repair, or worse. 👍
No kidding, The dumbest ,most unstable ridiculous things on the road. hard to believe these things are even street legal. If you have got to the point where you cannot handle a motorcycle, buy a convertible.
No Thanks!
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
I let my motorcycle license expire 13 years ago and hadn't ridden since. I've never owned a Harley before, never been on a trike, but I bought a 2023 Road Glide 3 less than three months ago. It was great fun, but I was intimidated by the feel during cornering, like I was going to roll off the bike. I'm about 3k miles into the trike, and I've gotten more comfortable with cornering, and after I put on a Sundowner seat, my backside is a lot happier. Your video was an eye-opener, and turned me into a fan of your channel. Thank you SO MUCH for talking about trikes. Looking forward to your follow-up.
lord knows the ride is so much better when our backsides are happy lol. a better seat is always worth it.
@@rosemaryus-ct6151 I didn't realize what a difference it would make. Before the Sundowner upgrade, at the end of a ride I'd be stiff as a board and my back would hurt. After the upgrade, that is gone... now I just want to keep riding. If I'd known the Sundowner was that good, I'd have had one installed before I drove the trike home from the dealer. BIG difference.
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So. This is why they shifted away from the trikes in the dirt.
Many of you will remember. The Honda 3 wheelers that were everywhere early in the 80s. They enabled people who were unable to ride a bike to get out there and tear it up on the dirt.
After several high profile crashes resulting in severe injuries they were actually outlawed.
The main risk is that they only crash one way.
Over the top.
On 2 wheels you can lay it down. Whether you slide sideways or even if you lose traction in the front... you have the ability (not always) to lay it down and slide. You never want to go over the top and fall forward... what makes it worse is then the bike is following you.
Its even worse on 3 wheels. And magnified when the 2 wheel axle is in the rear.
You cant lean so corners need to be taken appropriately for the chassis.
Sidecar riders ovten lift the gack off the ground. But for whatever reason thats more controlable. Perhaps because the 2 wheel remaining on the ground are in alighnment rather than out of alignment.
Not a big fan of 3 wheels. Harley would do better to bring back sidecars.
Im 67 now... in a few years I might be in the market.
Only way Id go for 3 wheels.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
the 80's bikes were simply unstable. todays trikes are light years better.
I have heard that the back break's on the triglides some times come on independent of the break pedal causing such crashes and is not a riders error
There was a recall on the 2019-2020 Trikes you can see more about that at this link - th-cam.com/video/8bR9OTCRZAc/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Years ago, I built a VW trike. I used a Honda Goldwing dual disc front end and the rear clip from an later model non swing arm car. It was about 900 lbs. the fuel was carried under he frame. It had far more wheel base and was wider than the Harley trike. The handling was predictable and it never lifted a rear wheel. The center of gravity was about as low as it could be and because of the placement of heavy components like the battery, it wasn’t prone to wheelies. My wife drove it with no trouble. The Harley trike looks too short, too narrow, and with a rather high CG.
Sounds like an awesome build! I am glad that you were able to build a Trike that works well for you and your wife.
Harley Trikes can be ridden aggressively as well. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
A trike with one wheel at the front and two at the rear is inherently unstable.
The rear tyres and wheels are basically items from a car and are pretty weighty. The front tyre is a motorcycle tyre with a tiny contact patch in comparison with the rear set-up. The momentum of the rear wheel/tyre/axle will easily over-power the ability of the front tyre to steer or brake.
I notice that in the first left-hand bend, the trike rider applies the brakes. Then, in the right-hander which led to the crash, the brakes were also applied.
I do not know if the front and rear brakes on this trike are linked, but applying the brakes midway through a corner is not a good idea and suggests that the rider was going a bit too quickly for the trike's capabilities or his own.
Oddly, the brakes come off just before the crash itself. I suspect the front wheel lost traction owing to over-braking and the momentum from the weight of the rear axle/wheel/tyre arrangement wanting to push the trike forward instead of round the bend!
I'm so pleased that your friend was un-injured in this spill. Hopefully he is back in the saddle!
Love and peace.
Can-Am Spyder's or other bikes with two wheels in the front and one in the back can tip over too. Go to the 3:57 minute mark and the 4:02 minute mark in the video link below and you can see two different Can-Am's tipped over in spite of their anti roll bar. - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html
Can- Am's have an anti roll bar just like Harley Trikes do. Harley just calls it a Pan Hard Rod.
The above video link would be worth watching to help understand the suspension on a three wheel bike.
You may also find this video useful/interesting - th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html
Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Trikes with one wheel in front are far more dangerous than a 2 wheeler!
If you need a trike ( I do, because of a right leg amputation) than consider a CanAm, 2 wheels in front, much safer, better handling, faster, more reliable.
OR, one can learn how to ride a HD Trike, and it will handle very well....and I speak from a couple hundred thousand miles of experience on 3, they are much safer than 2 wheels for a variety of reasons...not the least of, people in cages see you much more on 3 than 2.
Here's a couple of videos on the subject.
th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html
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had a friend buy a trike and ask me if i'd go with him, and ride it back to his place. it was fun, but trikes are a different animal.
to me, it appears the rider panicked when the rear wheel lifted. has probably never had that happen before.
you see the rear wheel lift, and the rider steer into it. had he just eased off the throttle, and maintained the turn,
he would have ridden through it.
by no means am i criticizing his riding. it's what i see in the video.
I learned to go slower on my 2013 I had a few years ago. Was going to fast and ended up in the the other lane, luckily there was no traffic coming on the other side. Now I have a 2020 and I still go slow because of my mistakes. Glad he is okay. Also getting the Next Gen shocks help!! ThXnx DK!!!
Yeah, it is always important to ride within your capabilities. Glad you did not wreck!
Here is the video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB
Going too fast for his setup. Also, there's a reason the Honda 3 wheelers were banned in the 80's. When the weight transfers to the front, if there is any side load they go over easy.
Not only do people forget about the ban but the community stigma is that if your afraid or incapable if leaning then get a trike, making riders think that 3 wheels are safer than 2 wheels. This results in rider overconfidence, the number 1 cause of crashes.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
@@DKCustomProducts Thanks!!!
they were banned in the 80's because they weren't nearly as safe as trikes now. they do not go over easily anymore. when ur base weighs over 1200 lbs, the center of gravity is low and the rear footprint is nearly five ft wide u have an extremely safe base. he was just going too damn fast.
Typical "3 wheeler ban" statement. Most did not have the talent to ride them and exceeded their abilities. young kids on adult machines were a leading cause of accidents too. We rode Big Reds, 250SXs and 250Rs. Still here.
13min in before we see the accident. U should have shown it in slo mode and made your comments and advice.
Very common trike problem, that also happens on those old Honda trike ATVs which made Honda stop making them
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
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Longer and wider wheelbase on a trike, but the machine geometry coupled with over speed and centrifugal force is nearly identical.
So much the same, agreed. Remember COG though, that plays a huge role, as does the suspension, as does the panhard rod, and other factors. Bottom line is that the HD trikes can be ridden aggressively, WITH the proper technique, and not tip over....as evidenced by the first video linked above.
Also, here is another video showing the activity going on with the HD Trike suspension when lifting a rear tire off the ground.
th-cam.com/video/3Z4HN6Lv3ko/w-d-xo.html
KP
I’ve had my trike for 11 years. Never have I had an experience even close to that!!
Awesome! Sounds like you are taking safety seriously when riding! 😎
What happened to me when I was riding my first trike .I for got I was on a trike and leaned into a corner and was heading to the outside. Had to tell my self sit up lock core muscles push and pull don't lean dummy. After that I was all good .
1 lucky bloke glad he's ok. Regards from Australia. keep up the good video's.
First thing I'll say is that this curve was NOT an "off camber" curve. The inside of the corner was quite a bit lower than the outside meaning that it was a "banked" curve. If it had been "off camber" that would mean that the outside of the turn is lower than the inside. There's no reason to try to blame the road or the conditions for this crash. It was absolutely rider error. The rider did not counter balance, meaning to lean to the inside of the turn, and it appears to me that the rider applied too much front brake in a panic, the point where the trike wobbled suddenly, which caused the trike to flip violently. Too much front brake in a turn, even on a trike, will result in a crash. When the front wheel stops suddenly the rear wheels will come past the front whether it happens horizontally or vertically it will happen. I've been riding 49 years and I still ride every day. I've wrecked everything with wheels every way you can imagine. I've been broke up, busted up, cut up and skinned up! I feel confident that what I said happened is what resulted in this crash. I see no other explanation for it. I could be wrong though. I have been once before.
The rider was riding outside of his capabilities. Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Thank you for posting this guys. I do wonder if when he applied the brakes contributed. If he applied the brakes while in the turn and it was tight , could the ABS if the tire lifted contributed?
In owning a HD freewheeler I can say that owning and riding a trike is a job. You can’t expect to ride hard or ride on roads that most won’t. You have to respect the bike and know its quirks and limits. If you don’t you will pay. If you want to be aggressive in riding buy a two wheeler.
DK needs to make T shirts saying “ respect the trike “. Mine got me through two knee surgeries. It allowed me to stay on the road. But I was exhausted after a day of pushing through turns. Upper body strength is the result of riding one.
Nice shirt idea! I will pass it along! Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
That’s the one thing I like about my Endeavor trike 2 wheels in front Harley conversion. It sticks to the twisties like glue way better maneuvering and braking, much harder to roll. Would independent rear suspension help with the rear end staying planted ?
When I ask trike owners about this very stability issue, not that I'm aware of an issue but I HAVE driven tricycles as a preschooler and have turned them over, I have always been authoritatively informed that these were much safer in curves than a bike because the low CG combined with the weight keeps them from toppling over. I never called anybody on it, but sure did feel like it was a BS rationalization for them to spend the big bucks to buy one.
Any motorized transportation can be dangerous if you do not know how to properly ride/drive it!
Here is a video that we made about the differences in Two Wheel Bikes and Three Wheel Bikes that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/QglBaUe7iR0/w-d-xo.html
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting!
Thank God he is safe and in good shape!
It is like driving a dually truck whose rear wheels budged out prominently - slow down to a very low speed before turning.
No banking on corners.
Here is the video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
A Rider has to know his limitations..
And the machine your on 👍🏻
I Have a Harley Trike. First this rider held in the clutch on the turne, Second the rider turned wide in order to drop the right side rear wheel. Lastly the rider ran off the road and over turned the trike. What would I have done to recover, I would have leaned hard to the right and got on the rear brake only. Hope this rider is ok,
He is fine, bruises and strains took a bit to get over. All is well with him and he is working on getting the TG repaired.
Bet the insurance totaled that bike 😬
The lesson learned is speed in cornering is an issue. Slow down. Its really that simple.
Not going to hurt to slow down. For those that want to ride aggressively, here is a video that may be helpful-
th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html
KP
The IMU (Inertia Measurement Unit) works in conjunction with the TC to prevent rollovers. If a rear wheel becomes airborne the IMU will reduce speed and torque to the contact wheel thus levelling you out.
That bike was a 2015 and didn’t have any of those capabilities.
@@Charger1908 This is true...no nanny controls on this one.
yeah i have a 2018 and i dont believe it has that either.
What’s up with him jerking the steering quick to the right as he’s going into the corner just before the tire lifted? This appears to be to be Rider error that see.
I’ve got a trike with independent rear suspension that I would’ve been able to ride that out on. I’ve ridden TriGlides and Free Wheelers before getting mine. This is why I chose the route I did. The straight axle isn’t so forgiving in the corners. I just don’t understand why Harley hasn’t started producing them with independent suspension. Or at least give the option.
I am glad to hear that he survived with minimal injury.
IRS makes a big difference. I’m guessing the Harley had a solid rear axle.
Great discussion on this crash, On a side note can you discus what change's are required to run a wide tire on the front. considering that change on my 2012 Tri?
Here is a video on what I use for my Trike front tire that you may find useful/interesting - th-cam.com/video/uZWDBsc6BEY/w-d-xo.html
I don't see a trike being safer than a two wheeler. They both are fairly safe. With a responsible Rider.
well it is harder to just fall over on a trike lol. but u are correct. riding safely is the most important thing.
We have a trike and you can’t turn corners like you’re on a two wheeler, whether you’re leaning or not. To top it off you’re sitting tall which makes it worse
They are more dangerous than a real motorcycle. The ability to avoid obstacles is everything.
@@freebehindbars8654…they’re not more dangerous as long as you “ride your ride”. It’s when you step out over your capabilities that accidents happen. Let’s put it this way, I’d rather be on a trike in inclement weather than a two wheeler, because you Can be out in bad weather. I’ve been out in rain that a 2 wheeler would go out in. In the end it was definitely driver error. He was following a 2 wheeler.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
@@geedubb-q1u Probably why that design was outlawed from the ATV market almost 30 years ago. I’m not knocking trikes, they definitely have a place, but…
I have a 2009 triglide. I had heard early on about possibly tipping. I live in the mountains and know curves. If I choose to ride aggressively into curves I lean into the curves and hunch down lowering my center of gravity, like we had to when a kid riding 3 wheel ATCs. It’s served me well so far. Hate to see a good bike/rider down.
Glad the rider was ok. It's a bummer that the trike got so banged up. I'm definitely a Harley fan, but I can't help thinking trikes would tolerate more aggression if the single wheel was in back and the two wheels were in front with caster/camber/toe-in/toe-out to tolerate the physical forces in curves. The main reason 3-wheel ATV's became obsolete. Great educational video!
the old three wheel atv's were nothing like the trikes of today. today's vehicles are much more stable.
That guy basically won the lottery by not having any serious injuries. I have had brain surgery and it is not something you want to do. Always put your helmet on before getting on,and don’t take it off until you you are dismounted. It is very easy to lose your balance and when you fall there is a really good chance your head will hit the ground or asphalt or concrete.
well trikes dont just fall over because u lost ur balance but u are absolutely correct about helmets and safety.
The only rideable trike has the single in the rear.
Different Strokes for Different Folks!!!
Can-Am Spyder's or other bikes with two wheels in the front and one in the back can tip over too. Go to the 3:57 minute mark and the 4:02 minute mark in the video link below and you can see two different Can-Am's tipped over in spite of their anti roll bar. - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html
Can- Am's have an anti roll bar just like Harley Trikes do. Harley just calls it a Pan Hard Rod.
The above video link would be worth watching to help understand the suspension on a three wheel bike.
You may also find this video useful/interesting - th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Trail-braking / approach for apex / speed / practice. Ride in your comfort zone,
I'll preface with I've never ridden a trike. However, it almost looks like he realized he was coming in too hot and grabbed a fist full of front brake to slow down, causing the front end to dip. Plus, the combination of being committed to the right curve was enough to lift that back right tire and sent him off the road. If that makes sense.
Here is the video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB
The rider was certainly lucky to come out of this OK. It is a fact backwheel trikes are inherently unstable. Unlike front wheel trikes a back wheel will oversteer where a front wheel trike understeers. This make a huge safety difference as a front wheel trike will not tip rather slide which is controllable. You will never see a CanAm or Endeavor tipping in a corner that's why they are classified as SportTrikes
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
nonsense they are not inherently unstable. i have a 2018 tri glide and it slides flat. a can am is a sport trike. a tri glide is a cruiser. this has to do with comfort not tipping in a corner.
That's why the 2 wheels should be up front. 3 or 4 wheeled vehicles want to lean over the outside front corner when corner. A canal could have taken that corner twice that speed safely. On these things you need to lean inside and rearward , basicly over the inside rear tire, to help prevent that
Can-Am Spyder's or other bikes with two wheels in the front and one in the back can tip over too. Go to the 3:57 minute mark and the 4:02 minute mark in the video link below and you can see two different Can-Am's tipped over in spite of their anti roll bar. - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html
Can- Am's have an anti roll bar just like Harley Trikes do. Harley just calls it a Pan Hard Rod.
The above video link would be worth watching to help understand the suspension on a three wheel bike.
You may also find this video useful/interesting - th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html
Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
I rode a trike for 3 years... completely different than a two wheeler. You have to lean into the turn. If you don't, you will create an unstable situation.
Yes, Three wheel bikes are certainly different than two wheel bikes.
Here is a video where we went frame by frame and explain what happened in his situation that you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting! 😎
@@DKCustomProducts I watched the video... I believe in Commiefornia, you do not need a motorcycle license to ride a 3 wheeled motorcycle. with that said, people really need to go through a riding course before riding on the street. I have seen way too many people hurt. I stopped riding in large groups because of this. way too many sh*tty riders on the roads. stay safe and thanks again for your videos, which I enjoy : - )
Yes, I agree and I tell people all the time to take your bike to a controlled environment and try different riding styles and ways of correcting. Practice and knowledge can be all you need to survive in a split second decision circumstance.
Thanks for sharing and commenting! 👍
We were hit by a road tractor in our lane while on our Trike in 2019 the damage came to $28,000 dollars , body damage was a lot more with multiple surgeries and I now struggle to walk , the Trike took the impact and IMO saved our lives along with God not being thru with us
Glad you are still here! 👍
that angel on ur shoulder is always a blessing. i hope ur health continues to improve.
Good see he made it , but come on trikes are just not a safe design. That's one reason they stop making those offroad 3 wheelers in the seventies.
It looked like the driver took the corner to quick. Maybe he wasn't competent enough and drifted outside his comfort zone. By then it was to late. I am very glad the driver wasn't injured or had a passenger on board.
He was driving a little out of his capabilities! Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain what happened - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Glad he's ok and the Trike's not too badly hurt. But come on guys. Trikes aren't the most stable of vehicles by their very nature.
Gotta disagree. Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
trikes are very stable. mine weighs over 1200 lbs, has a five foot wheel base and a low center of gravity. one need only not ride like a madman.
LIKE A NORMAL BIKE....GOING INTO CURVES IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN...........BUT ON A TRIKE....THAT IS 100 TIMES WORSE, REMEMBER SLOW DOWN GOING INTO A CURVE, DOWNSHIFT IF YOU NEED TO, BUT SLOW DOWN GOING INTO ANY CURVE............BE SAFE BROTHER AND SISTERS !!!!!!
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
most are missing it . . @13:20 you can see the brake lights come on midway into the corner.
This throws weight forward increasing the trike's tendency to lift the inside rear.
The rider steers into the slide, dropping the rear again, but by this time he's on the left side of road which is off-camber. We can't see his front tyre to see what's happening,
but looking at the riders body it looks like g-force has thrown him off balance to the left of his seat, and he doesn't have enough time or road room to steer out of it.
I hope he gets back on soon so he doesn't lose confidence.
We learn from our misfortunes and hopefully move on.
Best wishes from down under.
triglides have both front and rear wheel brakes... he was just going too damn fast into the corner.
To fast inside tire lift
Riding like he has a sidecar not on a trike
Just because you got 3 tires on the ground don't mean you can't leave the road
Slow down in those corners
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Yep, slowing down will fix that. Also, employing the correct riding skills, will also work to go even faster thru that curve with no issues. Suggestion is to watch the two videos below, and practice a lot in an empty parking lot.
th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html&t
This video shows what he did that resulted in the crash- th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
The next video link shows how a Trike can easily handle corners like this, and tighter at twice the speed with no issues.
th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
KP
Thank god no injuries. I’m curious if he had a 21” wheel on the front and bigger than stock wheels on the rear . I was going to get those but I have been concerned with them throwing off the bikes handling abilities . I kinda feel that a lot of $$ has gone into R&D to determine the best size wheels for these things ?
That is the exact reason that the off road three wheeler got banned.
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
yea, that's typical three wheeler, I don't know why anyone makes a 3 wheeler like that, reverse trike is the superior design. Everyone learned this back in the 80s when they made 3 wheeler off-road bikes.
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
I don’t think it was as much speed as it was a bad angle. On a 2 wheeler you can hug the inside of the turn and lean into it. A trike has no ability to lean so you have to drive it in. IMHO he started turning too late. He was almost at the apex of the curve before he turned. When he saw the error he jerked right on the handlebars. The jerk developed a centripetal force. A bi-product of centripetal force is centrifugal force. The point where the front wheel contacted the road provided a pivot point. The centrifugal force provided a rolling motion, around the pivot point bringing the rear tire off the ground. This vehicle is a triangle. The raising of the tire is not a straight lateral roll. The movement is to the left and forward. As this happens the vertical center of gravity raises at least 50%, further increasing the rolling motion.
If you watch a race car, as they go into a turn they drift from the outside of the turn towards the apex of the curve. Approaching the apex they turn the wheel and accelerate (centripetal force) out of the turn allowing the car to drift towards the center (centrifugal force) of the straightaway.
The broader turn minimizes the development the development of both forces.
Here is a video where Dwayne and Kevin show the wreck frame by frame and go over what happened that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for commenting! MB
I'm totally amazed ro see all the comments being made here by so-called bikers who need a video like this to be schooled on the obvious differences between a 2 wheeler and a trike , and believe these differences make a trike more dangerous than a 2 wheeler....
So , their view is that if you dont know HOW to do it , it must be dangerous because of the machine rather than because of their lack of knowledge , experience and most of all their lack of SIMPLE COMMON SENSE.
Does putting a gun to your head make the gun dangerous or does it prove your stupidity?
Everything new takes a learning curve. Thanks for commenting! 👍 MB
The way I see it was due to driver error. What I could see in the video that he was going to fast for the turn and headed toward the other lane, it was then that the right tire left the road. That’s when the rider attempted to compensate by oversteering to the right which would cause the roll over. I have had this happen to me and luckily I had enough space to counter turn to the opposite direction which brought my side hack back down, scared the crap out of me. I’m 77 and have ridden most of my adult life. Most of my bikes were two wheelers except for 5 trikes and one side hack. Riding a trike is a horse of a different color. Going from 2 to 3 is like learning to ride all over again, for myself I feel it is much easier riding on 2 wheels.
Thanks for your comment. 👍
Yes, Rider error, the bike did not malfunction.
No, the Rider was not going to fast for the road or the Tri Glide. Tri Glides before him and after him were riding faster with no issues.
I believe you will really enjoy the two follow up videos linked below.
They go over in detail what happened, and why it happened...the first one goes frame by frame, so it is easier to see.
Also, I spoke at length with the RIder to see what he was thinking and doing....and, of course, I was right behind him, so had quite a bit of time to watch how he had negotiated the previous 100 or so curves.
th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Yes, riding a Trike is very different, in many ways than a 2 wheeler, and it is the same in many ways. Some folks have experience with quads or 4 sheelers and pick right up on it, others have difficulty with the differences. Here is a video on how to ride a HD Trike aggressively in the curves.
th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html
As you noted, Side hacks are very different than the HD Trikes, AND 2 wheelers.
Thanks for your thoughts and sharing your experience! 👍😎👍
There is a reason why the DOJ banned ATV three wheelers back in the 80's....same goes here, no control! Dumb vehicle.
Give this video a watch, you may find it very interesting, given your comment. th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
I once rode an ATV 3-wheeler. It would not turn at the speeds I'm use to. It just kept going straight with the handlebars turned. Never again. Not for me. I don't like to be forced to go slow. Death Trap.
HD Trikes are a bit different. Here's a short vid showing how well the Tri-Glide handles The Dragon...11 miles, 318 curves in less than 14 minutes, average speed 47 mph, including being stuck behind trucks two separate times for almost 2 minutes.
th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
KP
I did the same thing this past spring, but I went head on with a Range Rover in Arkansas. It was a sweeping left turn, and perhaps I was going at the top end speed wise for that curve. That sweeping left terminated in a 95 degree right hand, and as I turned the bars hard, I inadvertently accelerated and ended up in the wrong lane.i ended up down a ravine 135’ from the impact site. Broke my back and a helicopter ride to Fayetteville. The trike was totally broken, bent frame and the triple tree. I have another trike now and am in the process of getting it back into the configuration for my preference, including Tank lift and Heim Joints from D&K.
Wow, glad you made it thru...sounds like a pretty harrowing experience. Good to hear you are back in the wind!
Wow. Super glad he’s OK, and he didn’t have a passenger. Having owned old school, and New HD Trikes technology is the way to go. Not to get beaten up by anyone on the channel the other day, I rode my buddies Can-am spider. Two Independent, steering wheels upfront, and one in the back. Man oh, man, zero comparison to the HD. Far superior cornering ability, performance, and power It rode circles around the newest Harley Davidson trike,,, but I guess we’ll leave that up to those that pilot their three wheelers… anyways, thank you for the great content and I look forward to the follow up video.😎
i learned on a can am spyder. lots easier to ride for sure. i got the trike because 1 i like harleys, 2 comfort, 3 secure storage. my goal was long distance travel.
I hear you loud and clear. That is why I’ve stayed with the HD Brand… none of my HD’s
have ever left me stranded. And should I ride across America There’s always a HD DEALERSHIP.😎
This is the reason they quit selling three wheeled ATVs. Because people kept flipping them over because they don't corner worth a dam. It's not a real motorcycle. It's a over grown kids trike.
The Trikes are so different than the Three Wheelers from the 80's. Here's a video of Kevin on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. They were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video where Kevin and Dwayne go frame by frame and explain the wreck and what happened that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
Possibly applied his front brake in order to slow down when the right rear wheel first come off the ground. This would ,most definitely exacerbate the problem. A two wheeler in that scenario would have dropped. This is possibly what would have happened to a three wheeler.
Here is a link to the video where we go frame by frame and explain what happened - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting!
I'm glad everyone is safe. I've crashed and seen my uncle crash in front of me, thankfully we are still here. As for this accident, it looks like the driver applied too much forward brake pressure going into the turn. This forced the front of the trike to go forward and once that happened, the "Death Wobble" came into play. The force of going forward from braking during the turn along with the direction of the front tire combine with the angle of the bike and the angle of the road then the release of brake pressure created a motorcycle "Death Wobble". What this driver should have done was apply enough brake pressure before the turn to maneuver the turn safely and release brake pressure before the turn. Doesn't look like y'all were going fast either.
His special angel was watching over him that day for sure. To me it looks like his R tire lifted high and slammed down hard and caused him to over correct and go straight and run off the side of the road into a water gully.... now how do I decide if I need to show this to my wife that rides her own 2018 TriGlide.
just tell her to take the curves easy.
The video jogged my memory of my bike (2 wheeler) accident last year. Your buddy on the is luckier then I was, I brock my lower leg so bad my foot was hanging. That is why I am looking for a trick for spring and following you. Give my regards to your buddy and I hope he is doing better/
Riding a trike big difference riding a bike , been riding over 40 years I sticking with my 2 wheels.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
He carved that corner a little too soon by the looks of it.
2014-up the trikes have to be fully stopped to restart after a stall in moving traffic. And for that we say FHD and F Jochen.
Iam a Harley guy, but went i decided to buy a trike because of my wife;s back, i rode them all, but ended up with the can am spyder rt, because of the handing, feels way safer in turns than the tri .
i have ridden both and the spyder is much easier to handle. i bought a tri glide though. once u get used to it u feel fine.
i go to the dragons tail a few times a year, the tri glides cant keep, up@@rosemaryus-ct6151
I have a 16 TG. I've looked in to the IRS conversions. What are you thoughts on those?
We will be addressing IRS in the frame by frame analysis follow up video that we are making! Thanks for commenting! 👍
I'm glad he is ok after that tumble. I have a trunk and extra rim for a trike I was going to use but have no need for them now if he needs them
Trikes will raise one side up if you are riding in turns too fast. Independent suspension helps relieve some of this hazard but not as cure. I ride a Trike Goldwing since 2012 and have not raised a rear wheel off the ground yet. The reason is because I do not exceed 70 miles per hour and in turns slow down before the turn starts. Wider rear wheel spacing and longer wheel base trikes are safer somewhat but operating the vehicle within its parameters is the best cure. Like flying a plane, you operate it above its design capabilities you pay dearly.
Trikes can be ridden aggressively. You can see Kevin riding his Trike on the Tail of The Dragon at this link and he was not going or riding outside of the Trikes capabilities - th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Here is a link to a Frame by Frame of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video we've made on Independent Rear Suspension that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/S91qYTjW_Xg/w-d-xo.html
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I have heard reports the Harley Trikes tip over, and why most trike riders go for the German Boom trike's, the trouble with Harley Trikes have to narrow a wheel Base,The boom trike's have a lower center of gravity,a leading Link, front end and wide rear wheel Base
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
Whoa! I won't comment on what I think caused it as I don't have the expertise to really say. I'm glad that he is okay and wasn't scared away from riding. Godspeed
We are so glad he was ok as well! Thanks for commenting! 😎
He wasn't riding his comfort zone
You are correct he was riding outside of his abilities. Here is a frame by frame analysis of the wreck that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Thanks for sharing this video , i was thinking about getting a trike ? But not anymore ! Even though i live where there isn’t many curves in the roads , and i hear they don’t ride very well either ?
For every trike accident there are hundreds, if not thousands of 2 wheel motorcycle accidents.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
u should definitely ride a trike before u buy one. they handle very differently and take getting used to. no countersteering, usually no lean. more work to turn. but ride well? i have a 2018 tri glide and it rides like a dream. when i had the rear lifted i didnt know it would also help with the handling. all i can tell u if ur going too fast it wont matter what ur riding. safe is happy.
So True!!! Ride Safe and keep riding 😎
Riding the tail of the dragon or similar roads on a 3 wheeler is just not smart because of the physics involved. That’s why way back in the early 80’s when the 3 wheelers started getting popular. After my first initial ride on a friend’s machine I lost interest and did not make a purchase till the 4 wheelers came along and replaced the 3 wheelers.
Here's a video of us on a Harley Tri Glide riding the Dragon. We were not going slow, and never crossed the limits of the Trike. I think you will find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
the vehicles in the 80's were light years away from what is available now. trikes are now safe to ride.
Its an odd deal. I rode motorcycles 30- 40 years ago and probably could jump on one today and get used to it pretty quickly. I have ridden quads for most of my life, 54. One thing I learned on both was that leaning into the curve is just a natural reaction on both a motorcycle or a quad, you lean or you crash, really no choice, so you learn to do it. This is the problem with trikes especially new riders who have never learned the lean in technique. My body automatically leans into the curves without even thinking. To me that is probably the biggest hurdle a new rider or even and experienced rider MUST learn even when riding a Trike! I even drove 3 wheelers back in the day. Never thought about how unstable they were until I got on my first quad, then I realized how unstable a 3 wheeler can be.
You’ve made some great points! The instinct to lean is definitely ingrained in many riders, and it can be a challenge to adapt that reflex when switching to a trike. It’s interesting how our experiences with different vehicles shape our riding technique. Teaching new riders about balance and leaning, even on a trike, can really enhance their confidence and safety. Here is a video we made on riding aggressively that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/-ZkmHGrSetc/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened in this wreck that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! 👍😎 MB
Just my two cents. I have been there and done that on my trike. This looks like an unfortunate operator error. There are certain speeds and when cornering we should be aware of as far as how to enter them and exit them. Also, with trikes we should definitely use the apex method when entering corners or turns. Glad the operator is ok. And hopefully will try to learn from this incident. 😎
After he started into the corner it looks like he jerked real hard on the handlebars to the right just a moment before the tire started to lift. Stiff rear suspension might also had a part in it.
That sucks. Recently had a similar experience. I highsided my Fat Boy here on veterans day. Was headed to a veterans day lunch, and it was raining. Rear tire slipped out and bike went sideways, rear tire regained traction and high sided. Bike threw me off and went down the freeway into the median. I had crashbars on the bike from Bungking with rear ones made from the DK M8 peg adaptors. These crash bars saved the bike, saved the bike from falling on me in the crash and I walked away from the crash with just a busted lip.
I was able to ride the bike home too. Majorly sucks because I had been waiting for vets day because it's one of the few times I can go out and get nice restaurant food and it only costs me some gas. Instead I got a deductible to pay and my bike is out of commission for a while.
Fran, so sorry to hear this. Sounds like you came out with just bumps and bruises. Hope you get it back how you want it. Glad it was not worse!
honey u walked away from an accident. count ur blessings.
That’s even scary to watch. I ride a 2014 and I’ve pushed it many times and never brought a rear tire off the ground. Lower profile front tire and a lift kit in back may could have put the tipping point more forward in the neutral zone.
Rolled my 2017 trike in July 2023 when I hydroplaned backwards into a concrete highway divider at 20mph. Some folks helped me roll it back on it's feet. Did a test start and it fired up the first time. Drove it the remaining 12 miles home. I'll be interested in your post-crash analysis of this red trikes accident.
My trike is out of the shop and I have driven it about 1900 miles since. Still love the trike, just more careful around water. Repair cost was right a $17,700 including a new helmet.
Good to hear you are ok. Yeah, hydroplaning is no fun, I always slow down in heavy rain, even if the road is draining well, there can always be "those" spots.
WHOA i'm glad u were only going 20 mph. i only hydroplaned once on my trike when i took a corner too fast on a wet road. fortunately i slid flat and no one else was on the corner. it didnt slide far but i sure learned my lesson on that one.
Hey guys I had a 2017 and I wouldn't ride it on the expressway let alone go over 50 miles an hour it took me 6 months to almost a day to get myself used to cornering I've been riding since I was 8 and I'm 67 now that was my first trike now I've got a 21 and I love it just be safe out there you know the bikes are unpredictable I've always rode a two-wheeler and when I had a hard time holding it up that's when I bought the trike
it is a wise person who knows their limits. when i first rode, 20mph felt like flying. that being said, i always ride on the interstates now; i love it. the speed limit in nc is 70. u have to remember there are no sharp turns on an interstate, no cross traffic, no stops. it is much easier to handle the bike on an interstate than a regular road. dont be afraid to try. go when there's less traffic. when i first tried i stayed on for one exit then did it again until i was confortable. i was terrified at the thought until i just did it and found out how silly i was. i do understand the getting used to cornering on a trike part lol. it's just weird to be upright on a turn. bikes are predictable; it's people that are not. watch out for the other guys.
Poor guy felt the wheel lift off, and thought to go straight to bring it back down. He probably could have had enough lift to make that turn.
Holy cow! I'm really glad the rider wasn't seriously injured. I learned early on my trike that you really have to respect the curves and back off the throttle if there's any doubt at all. I'm not saying this couldn't have happened to me because other riders were doing fine going even faster and did fine. Almost any one of a hundred things could have made the difference. Maybe he hit a pebble that the others didn't, maybe he backed off the throttle and response lagged slightly. We'll probably never know. It's a cautionary tale for sure.
I was very glad that the Rider was ok as well!
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Glad everyone came out ok. That is interising about how the real wheels come off the ground.
Ha Kevin question to you is have you talked to any Honda trikes have ever had something similar happen. I know there is a big difference in the rear ends on the bikes. I have a HD 2020 trike and I'm glad the rider is ok. Please post.
I do not know anyone personally....it has been over 10 years since the last person I know had a Goldwing Trike. He now has a HD Tri Glide.
HOWEVER, I did a quick google search and found several report, on the first page, of Goldwing Trikes that have rolled over.
Trail braking, approach for apex/ speed, ride in your comfort zone/ practice ride to head & eyes direction.
It looked like the inside tire lifted high enough to scare the driver and he chopped the throttle causing the trike to drift off the road on the soft shoulder drop off.
Trying to ride a trike like a motorcycle. That's why you should only ride choppers.
Can you conduct a comparison between the Harley and the Honda Goldwing trike.
Unfortunately, we do not do any testing with Honda bikes. Our parts are for Harley's and that is what we do testing for.
Thank you for commenting! MB
glad the guy is ok. i think he panicked when he felt the wheel come up, and stayed on the throttle, instead of letting off. i don't know trikes, is it possible to counter steer on a trike? but i think the speed after wheel lift played a big part.
no u cannot counter steer on a trike. speed plays a part in most crashes. trikes are not the best vehicle for cornering.
@@rosemaryus-ct6151 You should definitely ride your own ride, and not go outside your comfort zone. However, most folks will agree, a HD Trike will out corner most 2 wheel bikes, the sharper the curve, the more the HD Trikes shine! Here's a video you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/3UAMKIj97G0/w-d-xo.html
The issue of lifting the inside tire on a trike is simple, Ignore it when they tell you not to lean to the inside on a turn. By all means lean and you will not have that tire leave the ground also be sure to be on a trike with independent rear suspension ( Harley does not have this feature). Just be careful as to how far you lean so you do not lean too far.
we were taught to lean on the curve, though it felt silly. i think speed was a big factor here. earlier tri glides just dont corner that well at speed.
Going to fast. Speed kills both kinds of speed.
That is true!
Here is a video link where we go frame by frame and talk about what happened- th-cam.com/video/CDuxpdYIweQ/w-d-xo.html
Trying to keep up with others can really get you in trouble
Yep. Gotta ride your own ride. If one wants to ride aggressively, it is very important to practice, practice, practice in a big empty parking lot to get very familiar with the ride, capabilities and to develop muscle memory.
Here's a video on the subject- th-cam.com/video/0fJR4mM17mY/w-d-xo.html
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I was curious if it's possible that the left rear brake caliper just happen to seize up. Could have been a combo of heat, and fluid age. The rider didn't appear to brake that hard in the turn.
Here is a frame by frame explanation of this wreck that you may also find interesting - th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! 😎MB
I played the video in loop a dozen times. If I'm reading the tail lights right, it looks like he sped up, then hit brakes to slow, then released the brakes, then the wheel lifted, and the brake lights come on again, then wrecked. Could he have used just the front brakes after the tire left the ground? I realize this is a split-second decision, but I want to learn from this video, and try to avoid this surprise on my trike. So far I try to use both my rear and front brakes in unison on sketchy corners. Just curious if there's any chance it was a front-brakes only application in off-balance that caused loss of control. And if so, would a rear-brakes, only, been a mitigation?
We recorded the Frame by Frame Analysis of the wreck, it should be published on TH-cam within the next 10 days.
I think you will find the analysis video very interesting/helpful.
The transition of off camber downhill to immediate uphill with speed all factors. It looked like when the front tire transitions from down hill to the uphill part of the curve the weight transfer with speed caught the rider off guard. Tail of the Dragon has very similar curved road construction. Glad rider was ok.
Here is the video where we go frame by frame and determine what happened. th-cam.com/video/dSNwSViIF8c/w-d-xo.html