The Absurd Hypocrisy of the Core ngrato Scene (The Sopranos Analysis)
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- Another remake of a video I made a long time ago. Here we analyse the Core ngrato Scene from the Season Finale of Season 3 of the Sopranos!
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Wanna watch a much newer, much better Sopranos video I've made: (Generational Conflict in the Sopranos)
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What about the the other medley of songs...what are their significance in relation to the theme of the hypocrisy?? Why were those songs chosen, I would really love your take. Also, Watching the Sopranos always made me think of Paradise lost book 4 when Milton, up till that book, draws you in/tricks you to love and relate to Lucifer, like Tony, but then you are floored when realizing who you are rooting for after realizing what he is and what that says about us and how like him we are. Milton wanted us to know how easily mesmerized we are by the allure and beauty of evil because we are also evil. The same exact tension and cognitive dissonance is happening here and I've always wondered if the Sopranos writers were borrowing this literary tool Milton masterfully accomplished.
it makes me think, in a movie or a show everything is suposed to be there, the music was chosen one by one and not trew ar random, scenarios were build decoration by decoration, a room is filled with things carefully chosen, and in a good scene the scenario tells a history of his own, i wonder how many little intentional details he put in all of thilese seasons
If you let Vito sneak up on you, perhaps you are just not cut out for the mafia, or this world in general.
Its those see through socks, they make all the difference
Or you’re at a gay bar
Its a silent waddle.
lol
Well he IS a come from behind kinda guy hehe
Hypocrisy was the number one cause of death in the Sopranos. That, and too much gabagool.
Gabagool? Ova heeere 👇👇
also lead poisoning
Whaaaaat? Are youse having more gabagool? That's some good gabagool. Don't go eatin' all that gabagool.
Carmela feel happy when meadow is crying over Jackie jr
just fat and nitrates....
If you look to Ralph as a stepfather figure, your life is already in ruins.
Ralph was NOT Jackie Jr.'s stepfather: he never married Rosalie.
@@daveverplank he said stepfather FIGURE
With Jackie as a father and Richie as an uncle; he was doomed from birth.
A: SHE WAS A HOOAH
Well Jackie jr. had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Imagine if uncle Philly were there and watch all this Goombas crying
His opinion of them I can only imagine would fucking plummet
He’d say it was a f’ing disgrace. Even Cinderella didn’t cry.
What the hell is a Goomba?
What you want to say is cumpà.
Ciao from Little Italy 🇮🇹 Montréal
@@doncorleone8686 whatever mafia scholar 🙄
A goomba are the little things mario likes to jump on
I like how every season pretty much ends with Tony trying to spend time with his family, like he's just leaving his mob life behind and living a regular happy life. But in the last episode, his mob life intrudes on his family life, finally catching up to him.
The whole series is about the mob life intruding on his home life
@@joecool9739 he's talking specifically about how Tony dies at the end.
It's never been confirmed what happens to tony in the end. I still agree with your point though.
To me theres no real answer to what happened. I think the point of the ending is that Tony COULD have been killed, meaning even in the most innocent of times, tony can never escape.
@@SofaMuncher chase slipped up in an interview and said they planned a different death scene for tony but ultimately ended up with the restaurant scene.
@@corygolden6772 he didnt say it was a death scene. He says tony was driving to a NY meeting and it cuts to black. With the audience never figuring out what happened, and that he very well couldve died
If Junior's singing can make them cry, what else can he make them do?
These drafts!! I should be in Boca!
I gotta agree with Michael G on this 1
You dont go down there enough.
Fucking nauseating
@@tehgzizlauw1787 lmao
Tony’s hypocrisy about having to pay back his debt to Hesh after slapping around Scatino for late payments. Priceless.
The rent! The rent!
@@christaylor3911 I went to check if anyone stole my idea for this comment, and there you have it. I'm Jewish though so it's makes it ok for the both of us.
A grown man made a wager! He lost! He made another wager! He lost again!
Tony helped out hesh quite a bit in season 1 and 2 and even gives him his own 50k when junior taxes him
Tony helped and was a friend to hesh so he thought hesh owed him a bit more time which was understandable as hesh received special treatment from johnny and tony.
Tony should have taken the hint in s5 when hesh doesn't pay up his dads share of the racetrack until Tony confronts them
Everyone of them is a hypocrite.
Junior immediately taxed him when he was boss.
@@Mainlyeverythingthank you, everyone seems to forget about this
What annoyed me was how disconnected the song was from Jackie. We get to know Jackie quite a bit, and one thing we can be sure of is that he would not have enjoyed listening to Junior singing an old Italian song. Funerals really bring out people's egos, they make it all about themselves and the dead person gets forgotten. Sopranos shows this a lot- Janice attention seeking at Livia's wake, At Eugene's they're all talking business and you forget they're even at a funeral, until Chris insults him for commiting suicide.
Funerals aren’t about the dead, they’re about comforting and consoling the living. It’s all in your head, your need to fill a void.
“Sometimes, we’re all hypocrites” - Meadow Soprano
yeah but what about the poverty of the mezzogiorno
Did she actually say that? I don't remember. If she did, she's right asf
Oh you betcha.
@@martellusbennett8840 that's because terroni are indolent and opportunistic. furio's rant about the north was just a fantasy fueled by his own self coping.
@@isaacster5027
She did
What drove the point home for me was when Adrianna asked Gabriella “what does that mean, Core ngrato?”. You then remember the people present, who are being emotionally moved by this song, don’t really know any Italian barring a few words and phrases. Another example of hypocrisy, everyone in that room heavily associates with being an Italian but it’s all superficial.
When they go to Italy that contrast is SUPER apparent. It’s a really interesting theme
@@AWMK101
Yeah when Paulie was eating genuine Italian food and he’s asked to have Spaghetti and tomato sauce. It’s like a kid at a fancy restaurant ordering chicken tendies.
Great point my friend. *points as if im the GOAT paulie*
@@dylanmacgowan3647 🤘
And of course the name of the song is ungrateful!
i thought this was for sure Uncle Jun’s most balls out introspective song
@1of1 Uncle Jun recorded in Denmark
You heard me, SPIKE UP!
I’m just gonna say, it the drum and bass track were mic’ed up wrong from the very beginning!!!
@@juan12083 whoa...hey, king of rock...ur outta your depth
JUST TAKE THE FUCKIN DRUGS UNCLE JUN
You are missing one big point. If you are going to deterministically explain that kid's death as an inevitable consequence of the environment, don't forget that everyone in that room also were born into that environment, so in some level they are victims too.
That's the beauty of Sopranos, everyone is gray not just plain black.
This video should be called "Ungrateful Heart Interpreted by Bleeding Heart."
No one forced them into that life. They got into it with both eyes wide open
@@KhanSaab-pi6sw*COOORE*
*COOOOORE* *INGRATAAAAA*
4:13 Vito was also Jackie Jr.'s cousin! Everyone involved in his death had close relations to him! Crazy...
Half the cast was related in some way or another, either by blood or by marriage.
I think Meadow already knew it deep inside that her father was directly or indirectly responsible for Jackie's death. She tells this to Carmela, and Carmela immediately becomes defensive about it. Meadow tells Jackie's sister that her father was not responsible for Jackie's death because the truth was too uncomfortable and painful for her to spill out.
Jackie was ultimately responsible for his own death. Blame can't be put on anyone but himself for being an idiot🤣🤣🤣
@@willleon9165 His father was Jackie, his uncle Richie, Ralphie his stepfather figure, Tony an uncle figure, Vito a cousin. The kid didn’t have much of a chance.
@@lordbunbury Jackie had a package paid ride at Rutgers. He could have easily gotten out of that life.
They never really did have any good
mother-daughter moments, perhaps only the time meadow tells carm about “Finn saw Vito...” over her morning OJ with Rosalie around
l learn the sopranos is about murder Bretrayal and surreal from hypocrisy to monstrous act to your family and friends
Jackie killed himself when he decided to rob the card game.
Even worse than that he’s responsible for the murder of one of the card players
@@215alexdx The dead guy was a civilian, he did not matter. Jackie trying to kill CHRISTOFAH and Furio, both made men was what sealed the deal for him.
@You tuber what Tony specifically wanted Jackie to stay away from the life and made it clear on multiple occasions
@You tuber Tony didn't want Jackie in the mob but Jackie couldn't be dissuaded. And other people encouraged him. Like Chris, at least at first, because he saw him as an "asset".
@You tuber “Jackie wouldn’t be so stupid if the mafia didn’t even exist”
-Stupid person
Holy crap. Can you make more of these? I'm sure it took a lot of work but I love the sopranos and feel like an analysis of the show is severely lacking here on YT
@Uhhh I know it ridiculous. And very whiney
You don't need someone explaining you this, just watch it again.
@Uhhh His fate? what that he was killed by the people who are at his funeral?
Same with the good seasons of Dexter.
Protagonist does not mean he is seen as the "good guy". It simply means he is the character of main interest and the one whose story is being told. That is what I was taught the term meant in junior high school and that's the meaning that it has always had for me.
Tony didn't kill Jackie Jr. Jackie Jr. killed Jackie Jr. He was too lazy to study "nucleotides" at Rutgers and chose Ralphie as a role model instead . They met the same predictable end.
That’s what I’m saying like did this Kyle dude forget Jackie murdered sunshine at Ralphies card game and shot furio I always felt tony genuinely tried with JJ cause of Jackie sr but the kid was a idiot and killing sunshine for no reason for than justified the killing
Meadow runs away from her family here. Then in the last episode she runs into the diner.
after a Five Town's park job, I think she gave birth.....
Small correction, it wasn’t Pat Parisi who was getting into mob related trouble that was his brother Jason in the last episode (a catalyst for Patsy calling the hit on Tony imo).
What really happened was that Patsy knew where T would be that night and sold him out. Patsy became underboss/consigliere and Paulie finally got to step into the big seat. New Yorkers like Butch and Alfie loved working with Paulie since he was an old timer like them and had no children and families he needed to earn for so they did bettet financially under Paulie than they ever did with the "real lacka standards" generation. Tony died in front of his entire family. Patsy even calls Jason over during Bobby's wake and whispers something sinister. As Chase said (about the finale)... "It's all there."
It was Jason Gervasi, Carlo's son who got into trouble in the final episode, for selling ecstasy (prompting Carlo to testify against Tony). Jason Parisi was likely involved as they are friends but there's no definite evidence of it. Although Patsy pulling him aside at the wake and looking annoyed at him is interesting.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Paulie as the boss? Lol. As Butch have said, "absorb the whole fucking thing"
@James Stockdale what?
No Pasty knew Carlo and Jason was dropping a dime on Tony. Pasty did not want his son involved. Pasty had no reason to kill Tony. His son was going to marry Meadow , and his other son getting made. Plus Pasty was going be in Tony inner circle. Pasty past that about his brother. Tony lived went too prison .25 to life , and later died in prison from a heart attack.
""Mommy, help!" - AJ Soprano, Season 5
Brian Hayes Mommy!! Mommy!!
-Matthew Bevalacqua Season 2, Episode 9
Aj clearly didn't have the makings of a varsity suburban husband
Is the bear Tony? Or is Tony the bear? Mommy…..?
Toney’s interaction with Meadow is amazing. For all his terrible faults he loved his daughter and you could see the hurt in his eyes.
Yea Gandolfini was one hell of an actor
@@lokeshpandya5252
Top 3 actor of all time
In addition to Meadow Walter White Jr. gets a lot of contempt for rejecting his father. People fail to understand that Walter White is a crystal meth drug lord because they're too wrapped up in rooting for the protagonist.
well that and we see the struggle Walt goes through and it's frustrating to watch someone who not only benefits from that effort (whether they like it or not), but also not contribute in any meaningful way, be ungrateful towards that effort. again whether Walt or Tony _truly_ did these things "for their family" isn't my point, the family were the ones who gained from it.
@@wyomingptt Meadow isn't as innocent as Walt Jr. She knows what Tony does and while at times critical ultimately supports him. Walt Jr. knew nothing of what his father did until his father went into hiding and wanted nothing more to do with him. He made the moral choice to cut him off and yet there are people who still consider him ungrateful.
Walt junior was just plain weak character writing. Meadow has lot more depth and also realistic. In teenage she has this rebellious attitude but as she grows and becomes mature, she develops understanding and acceptance of what her father is or what her whole family is.
@@aliensconfirmed3498 Matures? More like selling out. Sure she doesn't sell out in quite the same way Carmela does and becomes another mob housewife, but she rationalizes the family business and quietly abandons the bleeding heart causes. In the end she'll have all the riches of being a mob attorney with none of the risk which is smart, but amoral.
@@breacat
So what do you want her to do? Run away like Janice?
Very nice analysis but i think the son of patsy she was dating was a legit lawyer and his younger brother was the one in trouble
You’re correct, it is one of many things the narrator gets wrong in his analysis.
Yes, and also Tony tried to keep Jackie out of the mob life and gave the decision making over to Ralph as far as what to do with him after the robbery. Still a good video though there is definite hypocrisy.
Yeah no where is season 6 does it indicate that he’s involved in criminal activists, it’s literally the opposite. It’s emphasized that he’s become well-educated and wants to be a stand up lawyer. The dude who made this video is a complete idiot.
@@PavyMac The whole point of the scene with Ralph and Tony where Tony "leaves it up to Ralph" is that they both know he has to be killed for what he did, but neither wants to have the blood on their hands by making the call, so they keep shifting the decision to the other. Jackie Jr was a dead man regardless, Tony just wanted to have his cake and eat it too by implicitly ordering the hit while pretending it was Ralph that made the call. Basically that scene also reflects Tony's hypocrisy. Also, Tony didnt put any effort into stopping Jackie Jr from being involved aside from empty words. He was the boss, yet he allowed his men to work with and influence JJ. Chris and Benny asked him to be a part of a robbery, Ralph took him under his wing making collections and stuff, etc. They were grooming him and Tony completely had the power to stop this if he put his foot down harder. And he constantly dangled the wealth, power, etc in front of his face. Who wouldnt be tempted if born under similar circumstances? This isn't to say that Jackie Jr isnt an absolute moron who constantly fucked up, I'm just saying Tony is nowhere near as innocent as he pretends to be
@@tattie278 what else did he get wrong
Its all justified due to the poverty of the mezzo-giorno
Or some bullshit.
I know you said Tony wasn't there for Jackie but he actually tried to protect him and literally smack some sense into him. Jackie was a complete idiot and dug his own grave. Also, at least for me Meadow annoyed me simply because it was a good song and I wanted to hear it through without distractions
Agreed, Jackie tried to boost a card game and fully knew the consequences of his actions there. That was his choice and he had no chance to be excused after that. It’s sad and tragic, but if one chooses that life they need to choose to fully accept the consequences of their actions.
When I first watched Sopranos and saw the interaction between Tony and Jackie, I thought Tony was trying to get Jackie off the life to avoid any competition from an ex-boss' son. Then I realized Jackie was really too stupid and probably couldn't make it at all in that life.
I agree, Jackie bottomed out. To say Tony wasnt there for him is unfair and complete BS. Jackie killed the dealer, shot two made guys, pissed on Ralphies Leg. Wtf was Tony supposed to do.
Also tony never said to kill Jackie. He left the hit up to ralphie, and ralphie did it because of how other members would react
Don't forget sopronos,as a family are sloppy and had constant tension, ralphie at the time mainly. He s the one that pushed Jackie into action for his own gain.
Love how even this comment section is filled with borko level comments
What's borko?
The best Sopranos fan channel on TH-cam which is operated an old mustache from the other side who calls himself Borko.
Borko was made before the electric light
Yep, I think there should be a sit down before someone steps on someone’s toes.
Borko is among friends here
>FBI
>morally virtuous
Thanks, have had a good laugh in awhile.
he said more morally virtuous. You miss the point if you don't realize that if the FBI is the more morally virtuous than how bad are the sopranos.
The Family didn't kill Jackie. Jackie killed himself. One can only throw someone so many lifelines before you say, "Fuck it. You're on your own."
As someone who recently had to leave a toxic friend, I needed this comment. Thank you.
They didn’t do that though. They killed him. Two very different things
@@rudi_tabootie **wooooosh**
@@rudi_tabootieit’s extremely reasonable to see shooting or being a part of the shooting of a made man as one’s own act of suicide, and Tony and Ralphies actions as natural consequence after the fact.
I don’t think someone who describes the FBI as “morally virtuous” is in a position intellectually to dissect the morality or lack thereof portrayed in the show.
Slight point. Ralph was technically not Jackie Jr.'s step father.
that is correct
Fair but he was still somewhat a father figure. Ralph was tryna take him under his wing.
@@bozotheclown666 Kind of shows how dense Jackie really was. He wanted nothing more than to become a gangster but he rejects advances by a made guy trying to "take him under his wing." I mean, that's pretty damn dense.
Exactly and Also Patrick was never in mob trouble. He was full time lawyer, he even got meadow a job in his firm..
@@Cryptonymicus Jackie was resentful over the fact that his father used to be the boss and felt that should make him right there and then, thinking he didn't need help from the guy who was banging his mom.
David Chase wants you to sing along and sympathize with these hypocrites. I can appreciate the effort he put in to do so
I found the hypocrisy in this on a more meta-level. Sure Meadow is the only one that cared about Jackie Jr, and thus many in that room were directly responsible for JJ's death, but what Meadow fails to do is recognize her own hypocrisy.
JJ's own sister told her that JJ was killed by the mob and Meadow, who knows better, plays the ignorance-card and defends them. She then later is angered by everyone listening Core 'ngrato because yeah they were responsible for JJ's death, but she fails to acknowledge that JJ was responsible for his own death. With Carmella being so hypocritically religious, she surely knew the verses "live by the sword, die by the sword."
JJ wanted to be a made-man so bad (like his fawtha) he engaged in a life of crime, despite having his way carved for him to pursue a successful life in Rutgers. While it's not shown, it is directly implied that Jackie Sr did a lot to steer JJ away from the life, in the same way Tony steered Meadow. Tony worked to try and keep JJ away from his life, but JJ represents America's youth who is obsessed with the criminal underworld of power, greed, and lust. In the end JJ killed himself by breaking the rules of "the code" of La Cosa Nostra by robbing a card game and shooting a made-guy and killing an associate, in the end he paid the price. "Live by the Code, Die by the Code."
Except throughout this series we see an even more beautiful level of hypocrisy because LCN Code that JJ was forced to die under, was trampled to death by so many who are the "protectors" of it. Tony hitting Ralphie (a made guy), Johnny Sac sticking his nose into the Soprano crew, Tony being acting boss when Junior is really the boss, hell Tony's seeing a shrink is a total Omerta-breaker.
I didn't buy the fact that Vito could have hidden good enough for Jackie Junior to have missed him.
Kid was always a dumb fuk though. Didnt he almost drown in 3 inches of water
Bobby: You probably dont even hear it when it comes.
Tony: Hows your friend down there.
Did you buy that Jackie Jr. was a moron? And it’s not like fat, bisexual men can’t be stealthy, either. We just need to pick our spots and wear see-thru socks.
I've recently watched all of The Sopranos. Even though Meadow was one of my favourite characters throughout the whole run, I do remember being annoyed at her during this scene as well.
Now after this video, I feel like such an enabler. This show has so many layers and I LOVE IT!
I can't hold it against Tony. Jackie Jr was an idiot who wasn't going to make it in the mob without his father protecting him. If it wasn't the botched card game, it would've been something else.
Did you hear the one about the Chinese Godfather?
Ee made im unoffuh ee couldn’unduhstan.
Stupida fucking shinebox
Yea the Government isn’t hypocritical at all!!!
Congrats on missing the point completely
@@KellyKar And what exactly is the point? According to the world view by Kelly??
1. not everyone in the room was directly responsible to the Jackie Junior's murder, a good portion probably don't even know how he died or that it was even murder.
2. Jack Junior dug his own grave (to be clear that doesn't justify murdering him, nothing justifies murder)
3. It was beautiful rendition of the song.
they're all responsible by enabling and condoning the environment which caused this death. everyone in the "family" is complicit in the death and destruction the mob causes.
@@user-tx8ey1lv7d maybe in a small way, but he was smart enough to know holding up that game at gunpoint could get him killed.
@@user-tx8ey1lv7d If that’s true then they’re actually innocent since their parents were the ones who enabled and created this environment.
Technically only Ralph ordered Jackie killed, you are overlooking the fact that Tony did everything he could to stop Jackie from ruining his life, so when Jackie fucks up he is done with him and doesn't want to get involved at all.
Nonetheless they still danced on his grave
@@youreadisgracepod how?
Tony told Ralphie it "needs to be handled quickly". That only means one thing. Going to the funeral of a person your organization murdered and acting like you loved him and crying is "dancing on his grave". Murder is murder, even if you're in some mafia organization. The fact is that, if it were A.J. and not Jackie, Tony would have got him off the hook. Jackie Sr. was his "best friend", whatever the fuck friendship means with these people. You don't kill your "best friend's" kid, you don't even make it an option. But Tony is a sociopath, he doesn't give a shit about Jackie, he doesn't love him, you don't kill someone you love. Yes Jackie fucked up big and should surely face consequences for also being a murderer. Did you guys watch the show and like think Tony is a good guy? I'm confused by everyone toeing the line and saying Jackie had it coming. It doesn't matter how dumb or undisciplined he was... if these people cared about Jackie Sr. they wouldn't have murdered his son. They did anyway, hence the hypocrisy.
Brilliant. Its amazing how many people never catch on to main idea of the show that the viewer is watching things through the villain's eyes.
Now THIS is a Sopranos vid. What a spectacular rundown. Well done. 👏
I think David Chase did a great job of also showing how immoral and self-justified the FBI are in being dirty and unethical towards the mafiosos.
Well, they're responsible for Ade's death. Directly. So yeah, they're dirty.
The brilliant thing about this show's writing is that there are no good people
Playing strictly by unnecessary rules gets them nowhere. Good on them when they take scumbags down.
Crazy how you completely dismiss Jackies culpability in his own life. He made a choice to rob a mafia card game, that boy was dumb as dirt and if his own people didn't whack him, someone else would because he was just that stupid.
By series end Meadow is engaged to Pat's "good" son, not the one who is getting in legal trouble. Tony did try to save Jackie Jr. and Meadow is more like her father in many respects in that she is self-aware enough to recognize much of the hypocrisy. Nice analysis.
Their are hints that perhaps patsy’s son Patrick isn’t exactly good. It is obvious that he is on track to becoming a mob lawyer, like meadow, and their essentially making a life making sure victims are silenced and criminals like their fathers can keep making money off vulnerable people
Dude, this is awesome, you explained to me what I felt about this scene, make some more of Sopranos please, your favorite topics
Even with scenes like this where Meadow shows the hypocrisy of the whole family she ends up being one of the biggest hypocrites of the entire show because she wants to gets a job in law. She would essentially be trying to stop crime while being purposely ignorant to all the crime going on within her family. She rejects all the values that the people in her family hold but defends them every chance she has. I think she honestly may even realize this because when deciding what she wants to do in life she leaves the option for medical school open, possibly because she knows how her family's reputation may effect her credibility or professionalism. I may be grasping at straws or leaving some things out because I'm still watching season 6 but I just think there's so much to analyze within this show.
I agree in principle, but the fact that Jackie died purely by his own choices plays a big factor. You can't exactly feel sorry for him nor blame the mobsters for not caring about him, at least not the ones that brought him to this lifestyle. Plus Meadow defends the family just a scene earlier.
Really glad you made this video because it touches on two key points of audience perception: we do not empathize with Meadow and we are thoroughly seduced by the presentation of the Mafia.
On the first point, even when we support Meadow, we don't think about why she behaves as she does, including her later hypocrisy. Initially, her shift to defending the life shocked me but it makes sense too. Meadow's development into a person, that she would like, is derailed by her parents, and A J. suffers even more from this. From that starting point, every attempt to define herself via romantic relationships and exposure to the wider world is sabotaged by the life. Losing Jackie Jr. was traumatizing on multiple levels, especially his erasure in this scene. If we say Meadow acts in an unpredictable manner, which is often interpreted as "spoiled," we might understand that traumatized people are often unpredictable because so is their status quo. Compare her with Connie from The Godfather.
On the second point, the writing and direction in this show is masterful to the point that much of the audience still remains seduced by the DiMeos' self image. This scene is perfectly composed to make us forget that the murderers are holding the funeral and that Meadow is right, and in pain. It's a fitting metaphor for the whole show. The knife is hidden as much from the people who are served the lamb as it is from the lamb.
Another interesting part about this scene is how at the end the song is translated into different languages, which I feel was done by chase to make us feel detached from the moment all the characters are feeling.
Ralph wasn’t JJ’s step father. Ro and him weren’t married.
holy shit... i feel so guilty and am so glad you called me out. Love this show
Stuff like this is what makes the show age well....
I don't think it's as cut and dry as this, Jackie Jr was a murderer and Tony tried to help him, also many people there also weren't related at all to the Jackie killing. Meadow is still an immature brat who hasnt learned how to properly express herself. However that said, Junior's display is still bullshit and apparently David Chase mixed a bunch of hacky cultural songs to make a point about popular music being used for sentimentality. I disagree with your generalized assertion that the whole thing was a farce and Meadow was morally superior to everyone.
Meadow is morally superior to all of them though.
That was a magnificent breakdown. Well done. Enjoyed that a lot
Thanks man, you really got a point. In the video comments that you had put there i tried to explain that, but it was difficulte to make me understand. This video is perfect, very good job!
He really read a David Chase interview about this scene, you mean.
I've seen the show 8 times now and I'm still amazed at how smart the writing is and how so many subtle things tie together. Phenomenal show, thanks for this analysis I love your channel
What our lovely content creator missed from this show unfortunately is that each of us, watching The Sopranos, makes us all Made, Captains of our own crews. I for one will not stand by and let Meadow shit on all of us. Time to get the zipps from Italy. She's gotta go.
Lol, extreme...point taken .. sarcasm and all, but you did jut agree with him . Well said
extremely well put. New subscriber & fan of ur work!👌
Great video man 👍
Your analysis is really interesting.
I always took Meadow’s side. I thought that this scene was a brilliant obscenity. They’re singing a love song at the reception for a funeral as if it’s someone’s birthday party. That none of them there could see how grotesque and insensitive their conduct was was truly brilliant. Anyone who sided against Meadow and couldn’t see what heartless display this was, missed the point entirely.
Great analysis! I loved The Sopranos and throughout the series there was this low level hum of hypocrisy which sometimes exploded like in this episode. These are very insular people who have very little contact with people who are outside of their tribe so they get little outside influences. You have wonder about these characters are they aware of the hypocrisy of their lives or are they so deep down that rabbit hole of money, sex, violence and crime that its just so normalized and they are unaware of it.
Reminds me of the comments section, missing the point that the black guys the mob blamed for jackies death were actually providing him shelter and teaching him how to play chess
I wouldn't call the fbi that moral in this show...
I wouldnt say the fbi are morally virtuous
Jr had it coming he killed Sunshine and he wasn't brought up that way. He was supposed to be a Doctor and Tony repeatedly told him that. When a killer is killed by a killer fuck em....
Absolutely phenomenal analysis of that scene…
100% on point so much depth in this show I don’t think there’s been a show like it since!
Great video
Brought up some things I hadn't even thought of
Another example of Meadow failing to have the personal strength of her convictions as Melfi had, is when she told Tony what Coco had said and done at her date. She knew full well what was going to result and she got a certain level of satisfaction. Melfi resisted that temptation when she could have told Tony about her being raped and knowing who and where the rapist was. Meadow is a lot like Michael Corleone, while seemingly desiring a better moral code than her family, they both could be just as ruthless as their fathers. Michael was demonstrably more ruthless than his father, and I think if put to the test, Meadow would be very ruthless as a Mafia boss as well. Great video. That scene was brilliant, I remember talking about this very point with my friend when it first aired.
///Meadow would be very ruthless as a Mafia boss as well.///
Absolutely
Vito as well, she gave that up too, though to be fair, she may have just been trying to help Finn.
I fight my own hipocrasy every day
That is a fantastic point on the Jackie Jr situation. The mobsters were essentially patting themselves on the back for who they are
Jackie did rob a mob poker game and killed someone. He's not some innocent.
I stopped rooting for Tony after the bust out. I carried on watching for the entertainment. My hero was Artie. A skilled hard worker. Also, Jackie made his own choices. Tony tried to keep him out. Not killing him after Jackie killed a made guy would have been another form of hypocrisy. As Chrissie confronted Tony.
Was sunshine made? I don’t think so. He just wounded a made guy, Furio
@@simonk9995 Yeah Sunshine wasn't made. He was just a dealer and associate to the family. Jackie shot at 2 made guys, and wounded one in the process. Which is a double death sentence.
He killed himself robbing chrissys card game
Yeah but didn't tony do the same thing as a kid ? He could have pardond the kid and it was his best friends son
@@gello8518 As Tony told Jackie, he didn't end up shooting people at the game and hitting a made guy in the leg. Big difference. Jackie was an idiot who made stupid decisions in that world.
Great analysis! Thanks!
Great video, my good man! Kind of a rarity on here, everything seems to revolve around the final scene - make more of these!
Meadow had every right to be mad, Rosalie's tears were the only other genuine ones.
i don't think that's entirely true. They are shedding genuine tears because it takes them back to an emotional connection they had with their heritage, with their parents. Growing up either in "the old country" or hearing stories and indeed songs from and about Italy.
It's not a great scene just because it's saying "meadow good, tony bad". It works so well because the older generation's sentimentality towards their heritage is something they failed to pass on to their children. Meadow's rebellion, likely ignited by her deep-down realization about what *really* happened to Jackie, only persists because a nostalgic, emotional connection to her family's past has died somewhere between her generation and her father's.
@@bumfricker2487 Jackie jr was from NJ had never been to Calabria or anywhere of the sort. At my Grandfather's funeral I didn't make tears about benign and unrelated topics.
This scene was great no matter what
No matter what, this is a powerful scene. I’ve seen impromptu singing like this in restaurants a few times. It’s kind of surreal... and definitely memorable.
Awesome analysis!
Meadow was high too... "Illegal drugs in the home"
great vid 👍🏼
Holy crap, I thought I was just watching a mob show.
One thing i learnt after watching the series 3 times, Sopranos isn't a mob show. It's a show about psychology which uses the mob as a tool to get the characters in crazy psychological situations
"Core 'ngrato" is actually a Neapolitan song.
Nabolidaboli
Good job man.love your analysis !
What I don’t understand is how meadow didn’t seem to be too thrilled about juniors performance but at the same time she tried defending her mob family during a conversation at roe’s house with Jackie’s sister. She says “you think they control every slimeball and illegal gun in like a hundred communities?” Clearly she implied that it wasn’t the mob that killed Jackie. But at the restaurant she displayed otherwise. Either she’s a hypocrite or in complete denial of the situation
It’s not really that hard to understand. She was in denial in that scene, during Junior’s performance she realized what Jackie’s sister said was true
Dude pat parisi wasn’t the one getting in trouble it was patsy’s youngest son Jason
No it wasn't, it was Carlos kid that got locked up for drugs. But they were friends.
Ricky Ray I’m not talking about Carlos son who got locked up. N never said that was him..but in the scene with patsy n his wife it’s implied patsys son had been in a little trouble n patsy basically tells his wife to shutup when she says Carlos Jason is a mess...n he was on campus burning peoples feet with acid so yeah he’s the son that’s been in to trouble with Carlos Jason.. n if u watch the scene I’m talking about u can tell patsy was trying to hide anything about his son being in trouble.. but anyway I’m not talking about the one who got pinched.. patsys other son Jason.. who ran with Carlos son..that entire scene is about tony suspecting patsys son also n is trying to feel them out..
In reality this is the human race. It's all my tribe versus your tribe. We like to talk like we've got all these great moral values but for the most part we leave "values" behind on the church doorstep on Sunday morning. Greed and selfishness guide most of our lives. What's funny is that a bunch of people who grew up in New York and New Jersey think they're Italian. Italian-American, sure. But that's not the same thing.
Historically, Carmine always said Australia is nothing more than a glorified colony.
Such a refreshing take. I’ve seen this before but this show is plagued with an air of surface-level viewers whose analyses are flecked with misogyny, who are too enamored with the idea of hanging out with these guys to see the bigger picture. That breaking out of the cycle your parents set up for you can be near impossible, and maybe Jackie jr didn’t bring it on himself as much as you might think. That some of the Italian-American characters in this show don’t even know the words or meaning behind one of the most famous Italian folk songs, or anything about the culture they claim to be so proud of, for that matter. That they have the audacity to cry at this self-serving performance and convince themselves they are grieving the death of a young man whose death they themselves are responsible for.
Kudos to the writers for manipulating the audience into thinking meadow was in the wrong here, that takes serious writing skill. But man, if you find her irritating, annoying, or spoiled, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the show.
Meadow absolutely is spoiled, though. Not even necessarily in this scene, but in general, she 100% is, especially in Season Three.
I guess you don´t understand... it´s a LATIN thing. When Junior sings that famous Napolitan Song... it´s a song that not only is a deeply embeded part of the Sicilian-American Culture i.e. having heard it as a Child through when you awaken as a thinking Child (I have to go through the level of a Child: Lacttanti, Piccrriddu o Bambino, Guileon,(don´t remember if this is the correct spelling), Guivani and young Adulthood.) Songs like this are permeated in the soul. Tiring in the early teenage years when you want to listen to the music that your friends are listening to and that is currently marketed to people of that age. BUT in fact that music upon the awakening of romance and brokenheartedness, and young emotions BECOMES the true stirrings of brokeness and anguish.
¨Catari, Catari, pecche me dice sti parole amare (Catari, Catari, why do you tell me these bitter words)¨
¨Pecche me parle e 'o core me turmiente, Catari? (Why do you speak such tormenting words to my heart, Catari?)¨
¨Nun te scurda ca t'aggio date 'o core, Catari? (Did you forget that I gave you my heart, Catari?)¨
¨Nun te scorda (tormentedly singing DON´T FORGET!)¨
The words ¨Core Ingrato¨ as sung can mean ¨You ungrateful BITCH¨ but can also be a request to Catari to reflect on her uncaringness and indifference.
NOW... here´s the kicker! Acording to Wikipedia: Core Ingrato ...¨is the only well-known standard Neapolitan song to have been written in America.¨
Reflect on that for awhile. That would make ¨Core Ingrato¨ in integral part of the Italo-American Cultural from where the American Mafia would draw upon for it´s anguish and bitter hardness of the lifestyle of deeply committed family-like roots and brutality.
I spent a little time as a youth with the beautiful and fine Sicilian-American People. I was embraced by the People and I absorbed a flavor of its Culture
Many Northern Italians don´t consider Sicilians as Italians.
That´s ok!
BTW: I love to sing Italian Opera Arias from Northern Italy, Southern Italy and it´s different dialects and phonitics.
Ok, Ciao! Ti voglio bene!
DMC
Donaldo Muñiz - Cales he understands it's a song that means a lot to them. It was the fact that they were all just thinking about their own heritage when they were supposed to be there mourning for Jackie Jr. The only person there even thinking about him at his own wake was Meadow. That's his point
Clearly the song is a good way to distract everybody from what they know, or suspect, about how Jackie died. Much nicer to wallow in nostalgia than to consider who actually killed the guy.
@Adrian At And T prove it!
@@maceface2892 Meadow was drunk as shit & probably the biggest hypocrite there! Luckily for her as a female Italian American with blood ties to their thing she has that luxury! To be ok with it from one minute to the next. She no doubt cared for her friend, however I doubt she was more torn than his mama! And she had no problem playing the Jackie Jr card to exploit her parents whenever it suited her! The song itself is about a broken heart 💔 perfect for a funeral actually and it just so happens to be in one of the most beautiful languages on earth! Death & 💔 are sadly very much apart of that life.
That's what i felt when Meadow said that. They were hypocrites. Makes me think of the Italy episode and how they were a huge contrast from the real Italians.
Meadow is not the only one grieving, you forgot Rosalie
Meadow was in denial and hypocritical when she was defending her mob family in the kitchen with Jackies sister. Thats when i hated her even more.
Yes that the moment she became as big a hypocrite as her mother.
I can't really say I ever rooted for Tony; it was just interesting to watch him and the other characters writhe in their own aforementioned hypocrisy. The best part of the show is getting you to try and understand the bad guy, and what goes on in the head of these overly-macho sociopaths; sometimes you think he might be on the way to being a better person, but he just can't help being a piece of shit. Though, it does manage get you to empathize with him in many moments. He's the protagonist, sure, but he's one that's rarely portrayed in fiction. Some say he's an antihero, but I believe an antihero is a hero in spite of themselves. I'd say this is a rare instance where the main character is just a villain/anti-villain. Some use "hero" and "protagonist" as synonyms in fiction, but I hold them separate for instances like this.
Jackie never had the makings of a varsity athlete ;/
his father..
Fun fact, this scene would not be the last time we see Johnny Sacks cry.
The wedding of his daughter a few seasons later
Damn, Jamie Lynn Singler was gorgeous at this part of the show, specifically this episode. She was looking radiant.
I find it interesting that she runs across the street away from her family, and in the final scene, she does the exact opposite. She runs across the street towards them.
Yes ! Interesting 👏🏻
Ffs another "foreshadowing" comment.
I doubt those people missed the point. You can understand the blatantly obvious point and still be annoyed by this drunken girl throwing bread at an old man. Also, varsity athlete.
The hidden depths of Meadow. She could have gotten far away, more easily than her mother, but never strays far. I was more believing of AJ's pain by the end. Meadow could have been written much better.
This is a great analysis. Very nice job.
Excellent observations and analysis. Spot on.