How Many Active Hall of Famers are There? (with Foolish Baseball)

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    4:00 The Hall is Smaller
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    35:35 deGrom & Chris Sale
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  • @FoolishBaseball
    @FoolishBaseball 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +604

    I forgot about Altuve until the end. Definitely in that mortal lock (100%) or finishing touches (95%) category. That’s my bad. Glad BBD called it out.

    • @shootmdm
      @shootmdm 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      Classic Astros and Altuve hate. Smh.

    • @hustlecrowe9440
      @hustlecrowe9440 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He's Cano - cheater

    • @shootmdm
      @shootmdm 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@hustlecrowe9440 his a hof. You clown

    • @RyanTJohnson
      @RyanTJohnson 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      I was about to go off in these comments lol

    • @baileysmith4744
      @baileysmith4744 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      dont know about 95+%, but if he puts together the same season he has the last 2 years to end this year and next year, he gets there. he most definitely gets 50% on a ballot, but i dont know about more than that

  • @24bobdylan
    @24bobdylan 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    What does Freddie Freeman have left to prove? 60 WAR, 330 HRs, career .300 avg and .900 OPS. I think he’s a lock

    • @i_own_adog
      @i_own_adog 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I agree. If Goldschmidt is a lock, Freddie should be too.

    • @rdk2323
      @rdk2323 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Plus an MVP and WS

    • @seplays2280
      @seplays2280 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      So true, when it’s all said and done Freddie has a better career than both Goldschmidt and votto

  • @thedistantprinceinyouremai6345
    @thedistantprinceinyouremai6345 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Jose Ramirez will be in Cleveland’s hall of fame no matter what, he is beloved

    • @jakelangs8848
      @jakelangs8848 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      A JRam statue next to Thome's is a lock.

  • @malanblake2299
    @malanblake2299 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +135

    I will literally watch anything Foolish ever does

    • @Haha_You_Fool
      @Haha_You_Fool 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Ryan-zl3bnwhat the fuck are you talking about?

    • @kennye7201
      @kennye7201 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Ryan-zl3bnweirdo bro

    • @trealville23
      @trealville23 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same. Bailey is the goat

  • @user-pz7mx4np6i
    @user-pz7mx4np6i 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +64

    Lindor FWAR: 50.4
    Harper FWAR: 51
    Machado FWAR: 51.1
    JRam FWAR: 48.3
    Arenado FWAR: 48.8
    Lindor is the youngest of that group, by three years in some cases. Unless he completely falls off a cliff within the next two or three years I don’t see how he doesn’t get in while the others do. Hell, he has a chance of passing Jeter in war. War isn’t everything and those guys at their best are better while Lindor is just consistent , but I don’t see how he doesn’t get in if he continues to just accumulate. The number would just be too big to keep him out.

    • @user-pz7mx4np6i
      @user-pz7mx4np6i 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Also, Altuve: 56.7, four years older than

    • @Toketree
      @Toketree 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Now show their BA, RBIs, slug, ops., playoff wins lmao you can’t choose one random a$$ stat and say that means you belong in the hall of fame 😂

    • @fiercedeitylink2019
      @fiercedeitylink2019 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      ​@@Toketree how about the stat specifically made for that? JAWS, which averages a player's career bWAR and their seven best bWAR season (bWAR7), puts lindor at 42.2, 28th all-time for shortshops, which will only go up as he accumulates more WAR and better seasons. Each player's career JAWS on this list is:
      Lindor - 42.2, 28th
      Harper - 43.6, 30th (for right field, woild be 34th for 1B)
      Machado - 48.9, 20th
      J-Ram - 44.4, 26th
      Arenado - 49.7, 19th

    • @isaacschaaf9652
      @isaacschaaf9652 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@Toketreeif you think WAR is “one random ass stat” then you have absolutely no clue about the Hall of Fame or baseball stats in general

    • @dominic64tblightning24
      @dominic64tblightning24 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think all of those guys will end up getting in, I'd put all of them over 50%.

  • @jimharper2180
    @jimharper2180 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +126

    Chris Sale is currently the *all-time* leader in SO/9. That doesn't get talked about enough.

    • @maxbouratoglou6718
      @maxbouratoglou6718 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      degrom for k/bb i'm pretty sure. both should get in.

    • @RainerWarrior666
      @RainerWarrior666 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If they ever played...

    • @yungbisharp
      @yungbisharp 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@RainerWarrior666Chris Sale has pitched nearly 2000 innings lmao, he’s played

    • @williamb.8762
      @williamb.8762 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The least IP for a post-integration HOF starter is Koufax at 2,324. Sale doesn't have the peak. I'd like to see Sale get to at least 2,600 before I'd think about putting him in. I guess all pitches post-2010 are at a disadvantage, but they gain that advantage back in numbers like SO/9. The top six guys in SO/9 are currently playing right now. With how injury-prone he was in Boston I can't see him getting enough WAR to have a great shot. Would like to be wrong obviously.

    • @benrios7902
      @benrios7902 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well it's correct to say that where things stand today if his career was over Chris sale would not and should not get into the Hall of Fame however who's to say that if he doesn't have another two to three seasons like this season that he won't

  • @hendog5396
    @hendog5396 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Willi Castro is a LOCK🔒😤

    • @santumi2298
      @santumi2298 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      tigers legend

    • @peterskrobola8753
      @peterskrobola8753 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I really wish the Tigers actually could have developed him. Such a likable player who has been turned into an all star by a division rival

  • @dunkirknolan7018
    @dunkirknolan7018 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Clayton Kershaw, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Max Scherzer, Jose Altuve, Mike Trout, Justin Verlander, Paul Goldschmidt, Zack Greinke, Joey Votto

    • @jameskenny7082
      @jameskenny7082 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Greinke isn't active bruh

    • @itsjeff9613
      @itsjeff9613 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jameskenny7082 He also isn't retired.

  • @jake3198
    @jake3198 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +122

    Ight bro I ain’t no Astros fan but not talking about Altuve is crazy 😂

    • @fignons_missing_8sec4
      @fignons_missing_8sec4 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      He's a cheater. They don't go into the Hall of Fame.

    • @blakebaty1192
      @blakebaty1192 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Me when I'm stupid ​@@fignons_missing_8sec4

    • @obtusemooose
      @obtusemooose 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      @@fignons_missing_8sec4 cough ortiz cough

    • @harper-leightonscott4566
      @harper-leightonscott4566 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@obtusemooose Ortiz didn't cheat

    • @zacharysanborn8989
      @zacharysanborn8989 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      the hall of fame doesn’t look kindly on cheaters…. anyone on the 2017 astro team doesnt deserve the hall of fame

  • @ChannelMan434
    @ChannelMan434 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Honestly I think Bernie Williams as a hall of famer is some of the biggest Yankee fan cope I’ve heard. He is pretty much the definition of half of very good and you absolutely cannot argue for him being in without putting in Kenny Lofton, Jim Edmonds, and Andruw Jones first.

    • @mooninites755
      @mooninites755 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I mean, Jim Edmonds is literally better than about 15 OF's already in the Hall, he should absolutely be in the conversation and it was criminal that he fall off the ballot in 1 year.

    • @ChannelMan434
      @ChannelMan434 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@mooninites755 Lofton too, they were on similar levels in terms of full career contributions

    • @pinverarity
      @pinverarity 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And Will Clark.

  • @jacobbyers7914
    @jacobbyers7914 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Craziest part is Darvish could mayyybe accumulate 3,000 stateside K's... it'd be a lot more likely if COVID didn't happen and he wasn't dealing with injury/family stuff this year

    • @joeyartk
      @joeyartk 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Darvish without injury is a sure hall of famer. Unfortunately he had alot of injuries he pitched through which Inflated his ERA.

  • @DRay210
    @DRay210 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    If we change the perception of a HOF pitcher, then Felix has to get in.

    • @baileysmith4744
      @baileysmith4744 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Felix has to get in regardless, but he isnt active

    • @harper-leightonscott4566
      @harper-leightonscott4566 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@baileysmith4744Felix is probably not getting in his 2nd half of his career is rough

    • @harper-leightonscott4566
      @harper-leightonscott4566 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not with those 2nd half numbers

    • @goldmember19-fh5ek
      @goldmember19-fh5ek 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      But you're only changing perception of a HOF pitcher because the modern pitcher usage is so drastically different than historical usage that it only makes sense to compare future HOF pitchers against their contemporaries versus historical pitchers, which doesn't affect guys who played in an era where pitcher usage was in line with historical averages.

    • @nicholaso4302
      @nicholaso4302 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@harper-leightonscott4566as is Andruw jones’. He’s probably getting in

  • @worldwidesensation
    @worldwidesensation 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    this is a dream blunt rotation tbh

    • @jackoverton2254
      @jackoverton2254 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And the one dude nonverbal in the corner 😭

    • @worldwidesensation
      @worldwidesensation 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jackoverton2254yes exactlyy😭😭

  • @DammSheFine
    @DammSheFine 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Man what an episode. Thank you both!

  • @BKF0
    @BKF0 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I really think Sale and Cole should be together in the same tier. Cole's case seems to be pretty locked in barring major injury or performance fall-off, but Sale seems to be viewed with an unusual level of scrutiny for someone with his level of performance. Sale is 2 years older, and they are within 10 career innings pitched of each other. Sale has dealt with injuries, but when he's healthy, he's proving that he is still at the top of the game, and another 2-3 full seasons of being good (not even great necessarily) would give him the resume in my opinion. If he continues to perform like he has this season, I think his case will become a lock. He's already the greatest strikeout pitcher of this generation, and while he hasn't won a Cy Young yet, he has a 7-year stretch of finishing T6 in Cy Young voting, and looks like he's about to start another streak. Chris Sale is truly one of the most elite pitchers to touch a mound in the last 15 years, and if he can hit ~2300 innings without a total deterioration in performance, he will be a hall of famer.
    35:28 on this point, one name who doesn't get enough love on this stuff is Emmanuel Clase. He has an essentially invincible skillset, and is one of the few recent relievers who has a true hold on the closer role. In other words, he's 26, has 139 saves, and a 230 ERA+. Through his age-26 season, Edwin Diaz had 2 more saves (Clase will eclipse him by end of season) and an ERA+ a full 100 points lower. Clase is that dude.

    • @jamesschenck3786
      @jamesschenck3786 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I was upset that they didn’t mention Clase. He’s gonna likely finish with 50+ saves barring any injuries which will make him a 3x consecutive save leader. He’s got arguably the most unhitable pitch in baseball right now in his cutter, and is just having one of the best starts to a relievers career ever. Problem is he was suspended for a full season due to PED’s so he could be a case of that’s ultimately what keeps him out

    • @hellothisis9893
      @hellothisis9893 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jamesschenck3786I doubt the PED thing would be something that holds him out UNLESS he gets dinged again

    • @TenaciousAC
      @TenaciousAC 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Diaz was at ‘Kimbrel’ pace until the missed year.
      Clase is on ‘Kimbrel’ pace now. 😧

    • @cnking27
      @cnking27 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sale’s problem is going to be the guys going in ahead of him. He’s going to go up for the hall right in that dead zone following Verlander, Greinke, Scherzer, and Kershaw, 70+ WAR guys. Cole will have a couple more years to buffer that where writers will have a chance to see what pitcher resumes are going to start to look like. I do think he needs another K title or an ERA title pretty bad, finishing second in the cy young to Corey kluber in 2017 hurts him a lot.

  • @jonathanmontgomery5178
    @jonathanmontgomery5178 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Why didn’t Bailey mention OOTP A’s legend Chris Baker?

  • @lordxelizor
    @lordxelizor 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    If McCutchen gets to 350 HR and 250 SB, he’ll join just Bonds, Mays, Sheffield, Dawson, and Beltran to do so. The SBs will be hard but the hall loves power speed center fielders

    • @roydonk8989
      @roydonk8989 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He’s 32 SBs away from 250 but he has only 33 stolen bases since his age 31 season. Not sure if it’s realistic he hits both. 40 more HRs is no bargain either

    • @lordxelizor
      @lordxelizor 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@roydonk8989 no yeah it’s definitely more of an if question than a when question but if he gets there, I think he’s got a shot at the hall. I would vote for him either way his current production but those are simple bench marks that people can look at and think “yeah, that’s a hall of famer”

  • @CexeeScope
    @CexeeScope 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Idk why but jake saying ‘wow’ at the very end is hilarious 🤣🤣

  • @samuelharris2848
    @samuelharris2848 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I'm not against the use of WAR, but there's a lot more that goes into determining a HOF career than just looking at WAR. There are a lot of hall of famers with 40-55 WAR that just did 1 thing well. Lou Brock only had 45 WAR, but he was one of the best base stealers of his generation. Similar story with David Ortiz and hitting home runs.
    Scott Rolen was able to accumulate a lot of value by being a well rounded player, but was a more controversial case than Ortiz or Brock because he didnt do any one thing exceptionally well.

    • @ekerson
      @ekerson 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      WAR is a stat for people that don't understand baseball

    • @fiercedeitylink2019
      @fiercedeitylink2019 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ekerson🤡

    • @mooninites755
      @mooninites755 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I mean, Rolen was one of the best defensive third basemen ever. He had 8 gold glove awards. He should have been a slam dunk HoF case had it not been for the absurd standards for third base. Rolen also had a solid back half career, but on Toronto and the Reds so he kind of faded into obscurity after being on some very good Cardinals teams, whereas that didn't really happen for Brock and Ortiz

    • @samuelharris2848
      @samuelharris2848 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mooninites755 yeah, it's probably not right, but a HOF case can be lost by fading at the end of your career unless your an obvious case like Pujols or Griffey Jr.

  • @eitanmagaliff9772
    @eitanmagaliff9772 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    deGrom’s HOF odds are my Roman Empire.

  • @owen______
    @owen______ 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    I feel very strong that José Ramirez will be a HOFer if he can manage a steady decline over the next 8 or so years it think he's got it.

    • @mooninites755
      @mooninites755 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      He's also been with Cleveland his entire career and likely will retire with Cleveland. The writers love that type of stuff. I think he has a really good chance of getting in unless he falls off a cliff like Andruw Jones

    • @jasonjohnston4766
      @jasonjohnston4766 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hes so underrated if he had the same career in New York or the dodgers as hes having in Cleveland he’d get so much more love

  • @Ricey167
    @Ricey167 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Altuve has a 52 war….

    • @justavictim9432
      @justavictim9432 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And he has 8 Minute Maid Park trash can adjusted WAR

    • @harrisonrichards7036
      @harrisonrichards7036 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@justavictim9432 cornball

    • @ahsahm3996
      @ahsahm3996 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @justavictim9432 He didn’t use the trash cans worms for brains and posted a .381/.449/.633 slash line on the road.

    • @hansari8697
      @hansari8697 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@justavictim9432 Yea he's horrible. He has more game winning post season HR's than Trout and Votto have playoff games played. When you are 85 years old you will remember 3-4 of Altuve's big moments but none of Trouts, Votto's or even Mookie's.

  • @user-cl7cm8jy6w
    @user-cl7cm8jy6w 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Yordan is the best pure hitter in the last decade

    • @jacobfeliciano9005
      @jacobfeliciano9005 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Judge blows him out of the water.

  • @ericfellner2689
    @ericfellner2689 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Best two baseball TH-camrs combined. Love when you guys work together.

  • @zachgeisel5253
    @zachgeisel5253 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Clase has 140 saves and just turned 26. Averages 40 ish a year. Just sayin

  • @iamrangers8351
    @iamrangers8351 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    I actually love wake n Jake. just take a gummy and enjoy

  • @hensonburk-fawcett2750
    @hensonburk-fawcett2750 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of my favorite questions to think about!

  • @thomassexton6783
    @thomassexton6783 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Thurmond Munson should be a Hall of Famer

  • @williamb.8762
    @williamb.8762 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    It's a shame to me that Altuve will be denied first-ballot because of the sign-stealing thing but Mookie will waltz right in.

  • @FacloFormerFavorite
    @FacloFormerFavorite 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The MLB HOF is so interesting when comparing players. There’s the era they played in, defensive value, peak value, career value, WAR, the eye test.

  • @andrewtaylor1492
    @andrewtaylor1492 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    There’s multiple baseball Pioneers that are in the Hall of Fame that only have 500 hits and about 10 home runs

  • @cujoespo
    @cujoespo 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love HOF discussions for some reason, and I could not disagree with ANYTHING you guys said. Great job here.

  • @1TightMinute
    @1TightMinute 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    ⁠it’s funny to me that the New York Yankees got busted doing a sign stealing computer aided centerfield camera scheme in 2017 that they supposedly ran in 15 16 and parts of 17. They were disciplined by the MLB in a sealed letter. The Red Sox also got busted in 2017 for a similar scheme using an Apple Watch to rely the signal. The Astros got busted using a trash can in 2017 which somehow makes it worse. All three of these teams cheated the exact same way/The exact same year and only the Astros seem to bear the weight of the public opinion. They say “ours wasn’t is bad bc we only did it when a runner was in second”. How does that make it any better? You only cheated when it matter the most. That makes it better? Personally I find it incredible hard to believe that you would take all the time in the world to develop a computer program to decode signs and not use it. That’s like catching your kid with a fake ID and believing him when he said he got it so that he could rent a car to pick you up from the airport. If Altuve doesn’t deserve it then neither does Judge, Betts, or Ortiz. Cheating is cheating.

    • @trealville23
      @trealville23 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cope

    • @1TightMinute
      @1TightMinute 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@trealville23 is it? Bc it happened and yankee fans are the ones that scream the loudest so….

    • @1TightMinute
      @1TightMinute 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@trealville23 is it? Bc it did all happen and it is all cheating that was disciplined by the MLB. Shouldn’t we apply the same standards to everyone? Yankees fans seemed to be the ones that scream the loudest about it also which is funny to me.

    • @nyyandnyk27
      @nyyandnyk27 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except that it’s proven they weren’t using the same scheme? Altuve’s case is that he wasn’t involved per investigation. The scandal is overblown anyway, but it’s stupid to act like all the teams schemes were equal.
      “Most people in the industry believe there are degrees of crimes that exist, and the Astros, to this point, have been shown to have had the most egregious system. The Red Sox, the Yankees, the Dodgers were all using the lesser system, the base-runner system.” - Author of that sign stealing book that covered the whole league

  • @andrewlewis8223
    @andrewlewis8223 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Just have foolish on every episode at this point. I love hearing him cook in a podcast format. Jake’s alright too

  • @SimplyDeek
    @SimplyDeek 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wooo! Afternoon Jakey

  • @jordandimarzio6322
    @jordandimarzio6322 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Addie Joss is the only person the 10 years played requirement was waved for like you said because he died the other time the requirement has been waved was the 5 years retired to be eligible and that was for Clemente also because he died

  • @connorkimball3064
    @connorkimball3064 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    I know gunnars half way through his 2nd season but this dude is just STACKING WAR.

    • @mx4159
      @mx4159 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Yea 13.5 bwar through a season and a half is ridiculous

    • @chrismechalke4503
      @chrismechalke4503 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      He is 0.4 War away from Kyle Schwarber

    • @aryelovestrand2143
      @aryelovestrand2143 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@chrismechalke4503this is the funniest shit I've ever seen holy fuck

    • @cabwaylingo_
      @cabwaylingo_ 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yeah similar to other young dudes like witt and julio, thing is you can't predict if any one of those guys are suddenly gonna hit a wall or get destroyed by injuries and just burn out or put up bad WAR seasons for some years and then its over. so hard to try to predict, but man i wouldn't be shocked if gunnar randomly ends up being arod lol

    • @garrett6865
      @garrett6865 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Obviously if he averages 10 war a year he’s gonna make it, but he’s just not going to do it

  • @turdferguson8266
    @turdferguson8266 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    If Joey Votto is a Hall of Famer then Lance Berkman should’ve had more votes. Go compare the numbers. Berkman also had a stellar playoff resume

    • @mooninites755
      @mooninites755 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Berkman is probably a veteran's committee guy

  • @mateplays7107
    @mateplays7107 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Speaking Jacob

  • @kjkesselring754
    @kjkesselring754 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Awesome conversation! Spinning off to retired numbers. Cutch might not make the hall but should have 22 locked down in Pittsburgh. What other guys might not reach Cooperstown but deserve their team's highest honor, and what guys will be like Rolen making the HOF but no retired number?

  • @blairmcbride5437
    @blairmcbride5437 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    How on earth could Foolish say Goldschmidt is a lock but not Freddie Freeman.

    • @clarktownsend8991
      @clarktownsend8991 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't know I don't see Goldy as a lock. He has to play for 3 more years to be a lock.

    • @maxwellsings
      @maxwellsings 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@blairmcbride5437 Goldy has played longer

    • @harper-leightonscott4566
      @harper-leightonscott4566 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@clarktownsend8991no he doesn't especially how he is playing... He's in.

  • @corbinm5237
    @corbinm5237 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is more so a question for Bailey than Jake,but where do you draw the line between Goldschmidt and Freeman where one is a shoe in and one still has to solidify their case? Personally I agree that if you had to pick one it’s Goldschmidt,but I don’t see much separating them stats or accolades wise to the point where there’s really a distinction to be made.

  • @andrewduncan3214
    @andrewduncan3214 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    definitely putting manny in that arenado category. especially since he PROBABLY should have an mvp (2022)

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Manny deserves to be in the Arenado category but not sure if HOF voters would feel the same

  • @Roysorb
    @Roysorb 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Seager is near his career norms really, the dead ball/juiced ball nonsense really affects some of these hitters imo
    Also wheres altuve at?

  • @thogro99
    @thogro99 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great episode!!!

  • @jsu9575m
    @jsu9575m 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I worry about Acuna's chances because it's already so difficult to make it...but he essentially has now lost a big chunk of his prime
    2020- shortened covid season
    2021- half a season ACL
    2022- average stats after returning
    2023- MVP
    2024- missed most of season with another acl
    That is a lot of games missing from prime years to build hof case

  • @ringostarrBestBeatle
    @ringostarrBestBeatle 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    on degrom's innings, he actually was/is a workhorse. on the mets he would go 8 innings of 1 run ball, he just got hurt. without injuries (even if you dock his efficiency), his hof case is just as good if not better than verlander, scherzer or even kershaw

  • @jamesweldon8118
    @jamesweldon8118 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bailey is TH-cam hof lock 🔒

  • @rodneypatterson8262
    @rodneypatterson8262 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Freddie could retire today and be in. He’s easily a 100% category here

  • @trevormacek5992
    @trevormacek5992 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    who has the link to the Get Bailey a green screen fund?

  • @brindlereo5972
    @brindlereo5972 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys should do a bracket challenge of the best mustaches of mlb

  • @colinnicholson749
    @colinnicholson749 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m a reds fan and whenever Aroldis Chapman came into the game, we knew we had won. He was an absolute slam the door closer from 12-15

  • @jeff_leppard97
    @jeff_leppard97 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did they say Freddie and i missed it or did he never get mentioned?

  • @JayTemple
    @JayTemple 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If Gerritt Cole doesn't get into the Hall, future generations will use him as a point of comparison for their own pitchers.

  • @pigpotty
    @pigpotty 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice words for Keith Law’s favorite 4th or 5th starter, Aaron Nola

  • @asdfaeou
    @asdfaeou 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jake's "BBD Sense" was going off at the end there?

  • @criticalmix2644
    @criticalmix2644 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Quick and dirty two-minute estimate:
    Depending on how far one looks back, there have been an average of about three player inductees each year.
    The average length of an inductee's career is about 18 years.
    So one would expect approximately 54 current players to eventually be inducted.
    Another two minutes of googling did not turn up how many HOF'ers were active in each season, but that graph would be straightforward for Jimmy to create.

  • @blank_echos
    @blank_echos 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Salvi. Perez.

  • @timcarlson136
    @timcarlson136 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The Astros hate is insane 😂 we forgot to mention Altuve in the top tier, and then didn’t mention Tucker and Alvarez in the lower tiers. Bruh mentioned Correa before them 😂😂

    • @cliftonbennett6420
      @cliftonbennett6420 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Altuve cheated he’s not getting in

    • @willthompson5110
      @willthompson5110 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But mookie is? Lol ​@@cliftonbennett6420

    • @ketch0_041
      @ketch0_041 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@cliftonbennett6420 hate to break it to you but there's cheaters in the hall already

    • @cliftonbennett6420
      @cliftonbennett6420 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ketch0_041 and altuve won’t be one of them

    • @ketch0_041
      @ketch0_041 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @cliftonbennett6420 easy for someone behind a computer to say, join the BBWAA until then your opinion matter just as much as mine, nothing

  • @jrave5353
    @jrave5353 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jake + Bailey is my favorite combo in the world

  • @nathanielanderson206
    @nathanielanderson206 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did they not mention Judge or did I space out and miss it?

  • @Snatal13
    @Snatal13 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hard to say betts is in with the current final numbers. Obviously his accolades and numbers so far are crazy but the reason he just didn't play anymore would be the determining factor a la Kirby Puckett who also had better numbers at the time he stopped. Also if goldschmidt is a lock so is freeman and if Rolen is in so is arenado

  • @cujolicious936
    @cujolicious936 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    did blake snell not get mentioned at all?

  • @Alex-it7ms
    @Alex-it7ms 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Salvador Perez gotta be up there no?

    • @completezach3279
      @completezach3279 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think he would be if it weren't injuries

  • @itsjeff9613
    @itsjeff9613 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    IMO Vladdy should be in the young hitters categories, he has very similar numbers through their age 25 years (or will once Vladdy's age 25 season is over). He also has shown the durability to get to needed milestones (500 HR/3000 Hits), plus you know the MLB wants a hall of fame father and son combo.

  • @marzix427
    @marzix427 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Freeman, Altuve, Goldshmidt, Arenado, Salvador Perez, Harper, and Votto are locks to get in. Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, and Greinke are in. I do not think you can even have the conversations with anyone else because some players just fall off.

  • @haydendaldegan3734
    @haydendaldegan3734 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    more episodes with bailey!

  • @wallacecreed4746
    @wallacecreed4746 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Stanton: Writers ballot might be tough but I'm 100% sure a Veterans Committee would put him in.
    Nola: Feels like the knuckle curve and his style of pitching is sustainable through his 30s and he will reach 3K Ks
    No mention of Tatis but if hes just a walking 5 WAR through his 20s and can still drop 30 homers in his 30s will anyone care about the PEDs

  • @Xansby
    @Xansby 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What about Harper?

  • @gusbuck5466
    @gusbuck5466 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the pitch clock unfortunately killed Sandy Alcántara’s chance. Before the pc he was better every year, won a Cy Young, and was one of the few pitcher your expected to go 7+ IP with 2 or fewer runs in every start. He also was only 26 when he won the Cy Young. Doing that even with a little regression for another 4-5 years would have been great. And put him in track. Instead PC brought a ton of regression to his stats and landed him on the long term IL.

  • @mse326
    @mse326 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What is separating Goldy and Freeman that they are in different tiers?

    • @user-ij2fi3ku8q
      @user-ij2fi3ku8q 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Surprised Foolish had this take. For me Freeman is better, although it's very close. Maybe he is trying not to be a homer for all his years with the Braves. Or maybe it's that Freeman left and he's salty.

  • @dylandolisi374
    @dylandolisi374 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I know I’m biased as a Royals fan, but I get soooo tired of the framing argument against Salvi. He literally won the platinum glove and multiple gold gloves and gets punished for not deceiving bad umpires as much as some other guys??

  • @matthewwalker4866
    @matthewwalker4866 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    but see like acuna has a unanimous mvp rookie of the year and 40-70 season. I think even if he completely falls of speed wise in my opinion if he hits 25 homers a year and the braves win playoff series then he should be a lock

  • @TenaciousAC
    @TenaciousAC 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    47:45 Might only be one word in an hour-long show, but Nola is sooo… potentially there, but potentially not there.
    Age-31 season in progress, almost 1700ks, 101 wins, 6 and a half more contract years to go and just over 1500IP in-season.
    The downside is just 3 years with CY Young votes (and a 3rd, 4th and 7th at that). He accumulates great for a career but others accumulate greater in each season.

  • @yungbisharp
    @yungbisharp 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Zack Wheeler deserves to be in these discussions ngl

  • @RyanTJohnson
    @RyanTJohnson 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Jake a big market snob? noooooo....

  • @andrewduncan3214
    @andrewduncan3214 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    no altuve mention?

    • @abradantcb5024
      @abradantcb5024 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah for the short kings at least

    • @KyleJoseph-vo6vp
      @KyleJoseph-vo6vp 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He'll forever be known as a cheater...cry about it

    • @shootmdm
      @shootmdm 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KyleJoseph-vo6vpto bad his for sure hof haha. Take the L. You clown.

    • @gamemeister27
      @gamemeister27 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pinned comment, he just spaced

    • @AlexPetrakovitz
      @AlexPetrakovitz 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KyleJoseph-vo6vpcheck Baileys pinned comment, idiot.

  • @danday9697
    @danday9697 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How are those giys locks right now? If their careers ended today. Which one has better numbers than helton who just now barely got in

  • @rr9prp9
    @rr9prp9 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really think the HOF needs to re-evaluate the RP standards. Only letting in relief pitchers who get saves erases so much baseball history from the 1970s to today, especially the last 30 years.
    I look at guys like Devin Williams or Dellin Betances being top 5 pure pitchers on a "WAR per IP" basis throughout their primes. I know this exercise is done based on who the wroters would vote in, but i still think those guys need to get some love.
    A similar argument could be made for catchers, whose HOF resumes are so weird to compare across eras. With the shift to defensive prowess over offensive prowess, its tough to see rWAR and even fWAR getting anywhere near 60 in a typical career. Baseball Prospectus WARP feels much better to look at.

  • @mtverv
    @mtverv 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If Salvador Perez gets to 300 HR and he doesn’t get in when only 7 other dudes have done it in the history of the game then what are we doing? In my mind the moment Salvy gets to 300 HR he becomes a Lock…
    P.S. Edit- Jake says his “Heart can’t analyze Defensive WAR from past years” when he just slighted Salvy for his own WAR total. Just putting it out there the Homer is strong with this one…

  • @Arminian100
    @Arminian100 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    55.6 WAR & 140 wRC+ feels not good enough at 1B. 1 MVP
    Harper is 143 wRC+ as an OF. 2 MVP
    How is Goldschmidt ahead of Harper?

  • @willsharp9430
    @willsharp9430 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    With all respect to Bailey, I don't understand how Goldschmidt is 100% and Harper isn't. Their numbers are pretty similar but Harper has more MVPs, has been far more prolific, and has played in a lot more meaningful games than Goldschmidt.

    • @mooninites755
      @mooninites755 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I don't think "playing in more meaningful games" should be a metric to consider. You're going to bar a lot of HoF quality players that simply played on bad teams.

    • @kennye7201
      @kennye7201 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agree. I kinda understand his point when you get to the counting stats but still i would absolutely vote harper if he retired tomorrow

    • @trevorschmitt-ernst4813
      @trevorschmitt-ernst4813 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@mooninites755 yeah, i agree in general. But i think it can be an added plus if you had them, but it should never be a negative if you don't

  • @brianontiveros-kersch2412
    @brianontiveros-kersch2412 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    No mention of Tatis was honestly a bit of a surprise

    • @maxwellsings
      @maxwellsings 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@brianontiveros-kersch2412 steroids ruin his case

    • @fignons_missing_8sec4
      @fignons_missing_8sec4 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@brianontiveros-kersch2412 Hall of Fame has been very clear: no steroid users unless their name is Ortiz.

    • @lamelosballs5763
      @lamelosballs5763 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@maxwellsingsit’s been well documented that wasn’t intentful steroid use in his career. I think if sosa can find a way in with his unwatered roid claims, tatis has a chance

    • @maxwellsings
      @maxwellsings 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lamelosballs5763 he won't tho lol

  • @Dune24
    @Dune24 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jake I adore you but the fit hat combo is CRAZY

  • @lucaslostoski8839
    @lucaslostoski8839 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What about Emmanuel Clase as a potential 400 save guy?

  • @bigkahuna5381
    @bigkahuna5381 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m gonna be the old head yelling for degrom just because of the first half of 2021

  • @mse326
    @mse326 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    When it comes to WAR it is important to realize that as players get better overall the top WAR likely falls. That is because the best of the best are improving, if at all, at a slower rate than the bottom simply because there isn't as much room for improvement. So if the best stay relatively equal but the bottom moves then the top WAR goes down as the replacement level and average for other nomalized stats goes up.

  • @Katsos44
    @Katsos44 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Literally had an hour long conversation in the shower about this to myself, so hyped

    • @redasdu84
      @redasdu84 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lol I get you, I have this type of conversation to myself every day, wondering who is a Hofer and who's not

  • @brianmurphy205
    @brianmurphy205 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Clase could of been mentioned on the tail end of pitchers

    • @justavictim9432
      @justavictim9432 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      As a Guards fan, I love Clase but he's 4 years in. Way too early to talk about him yet

    • @jakelangs8848
      @jakelangs8848 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      3-4 more years of Clase doing his thing, and the conversation will have some more steam.

    • @colecarnes4315
      @colecarnes4315 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He already got caught with roids. Hes out already like tatis

    • @ashishkhatri2771
      @ashishkhatri2771 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A reliever needs well over a decade of elite play to even be in the conversation.

  • @harrisonbaylor1432
    @harrisonbaylor1432 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is an interesting subject when you are trying to take war into count. Jeter and Rolen have nearly the same war but one guy was one vote shy of 100% in his first year and the other guy barely made it and a lot of people don’t think he should be in.

  • @Gamerzplaya25
    @Gamerzplaya25 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tatis Jr is a another potential young guy that came prove it in his 30s

  • @yetigonecrazy
    @yetigonecrazy 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Foolish on Wake n Jake is absolutely must listen. Over under on Foolish and Jollys adopted child having a baseball name?

  • @connordurham6827
    @connordurham6827 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am on the Salvy soap box

  • @fatbeanzoop
    @fatbeanzoop 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you Jake for getting foolish on, it's really nice to hear these takes discussed. However I'm not sure why you do strange/ego centric things with your voice whole you talk, like at 47:16 I find speech like that very unpleasant as a listener (almost croaking/over pronouncing, like you love the sound of your own voice). Thank you for the discussion besides that, I enjoy Foolish joining very much

  • @happysqWid
    @happysqWid 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    O's fan here, just wanted to say that Manny wasn't "treated unfairly by the media for being a young aggressive player" he was treated accurately by the media for being a whiny prick. If he were being treated unfairly, you would have heard a lot more stories of teammates stepping up to defend him. I'm glad he gtfo of bmore. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • @Interest_In_Everything
    @Interest_In_Everything 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Corey Seager Is the reincarnated Troy Tulowitzki.

  • @Interest_In_Everything
    @Interest_In_Everything 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like I would swap freeman and Goldschmidt in the 100% and 95% categories. Freeman is just better on every level, he just needs a bit more longevity but even if he retired today, I think he’s in.

  • @baylenrutherford9601
    @baylenrutherford9601 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I might be crazy, but how does Altuve not get mentioned it is the hall of FAME, one of the most influential fifteen players of the last fifteen years. Go Rockies, Doyle is going to be HOF

  • @sasha.robertson
    @sasha.robertson 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always rooting against machado!

  • @DavidLittlefield3
    @DavidLittlefield3 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Clase should for sure be mentioned as the young possibilities category