"All The Point Guards Now - Are YOU" | Baron Davis Breaks Down Gilbert Arenas Changing The PG Role
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2021
- Baron Davis explains why today's point guards are all like Gilbert Arenas, and Gil explains why Baron Davis could have played the same way but his team's rules are what held him back.
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You can tell BD was in his head thinking "Damn I really couldve been avg 30" when Gil started talking about pg scoring freedom.
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BD and gil were the prime combo guards at that time, wizards and warriors played similar style, small line ups where stephen jackson and jamison plays the 4. It was a great time and their jerseys were nice too. I wish their primes were longer.
BD no great player but was never a top pg
@@billynation4113 both player never had a ton of playoff success, but there was a stretch when baron was playing like the best point guard in the league when he was with the warriors, like I said I wish their primes were longer. I didn't say there were the top players in the league but certainly amongst the best in their position. There a case for arenas being atleast top 3 guard even for a short time.
@@billynation4113
If you dont see BD as one of the top.
You have a problem.
BD don't forget you had, playmaking, shooting and scoring as well
True, but he didnt have the level of shooting Gil had.
Shooting and Range and probably Speed Arenas
But 1on1 skills , Athleticism BD all day
I think that's what Gil was saying, especially dudes like BD, they was already on that level as PGs, but they're "rules" didn't allow them to perform as pure scoring-PGs. The main difference is probably that Gil had the range similar to the elite guards today
Harden reminded me of BD
Irving & Dame reminded me of Arenas.
The man BD was catching BODIES
Penny Hardaway is the practically the first hybrid point guard I've seen. He was practically Magic Johnson and a bit of MJ bundled together as a player. If it weren't for the injuries he'd be considered one of the greatest all time. He changed the position.
Him or A.I. yea. But I'll say Gilbert was probably the first true SG playing the PG role.
@@B3Smooth facts bro Gilbert call a 1-4 flat the whole game😂😂😂😂
Eh, Penny was still more like Magic. Great playmaker, great rebounder. In terms of what B Diddy is talking about, I'd say Iverson was the first. a PG that could put his team on his back like like a wing could or a Center in previous eras.
@@dmi33 true but if you throw in AI then Zeek had to make the blue print going against and beating MJ, Magic, and Bird as the best player on your team as the PG and he could defend
@@veniljackson47 but his style was different. He was a true dual-threat
I know the oldheads calling younger people soft, but I love hearing these legends give each other roses like this
It’s really the guys that’s from mike era that be hating. Guys like BD and Gill have competed against most of today’s guards. They know what it is with them
@@quentincassell840 stop the cap . The point guards playing right now is far better then the ones they had to play
@@Malikttv757 ? What he said wrong
@S C so much things incorrect here and saying youre 24 doesnt validate your point lol im 22.
It's not the younger players that soft, it's the game and the way it's called that's soft. Flopping, jumping into people for fouls, the semi-circle under the goal making it illegal to guard the paint came about in 97'. The game changed so that smaller players have the advantage to create highlights with is more marketable. They want bigs shooting 3yrs and smalls attacking the paint and dunking. They don't even list centers on the all star rosters any more.
BD is one of my favourite point guards of all time to watch. Him and prime Stevie Franchise.
Garbage privegeled should have been better
Kevin Johnson was a 20/10 in his prime
B diddy is gonna go down soooo underrated same with gilbert 2 beasts for real
Damn B diddy that’s a fire nickname 😭😭
@@jeremiahola7304 old news
Baron Davis was a really good combo guard himself, Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas, Steve Francis. Steph Marbury they are the predecessor to the modern PG
I've been saying this for years.
Gil deserves a NBA job
gil's coaching was disastrous in Big 3
BD's not lying,I remember when a PG was like the most important piece on the court.....now its,long as you break the defense but you to be a great shooter type of stigma
You had guys like pistol pete and Jerry west who were score first pgs as well. I bet every era had them, but they weren't accepted like today
Do not forget Tiny Archibald that lead the league in both points and assists in the same year.
Earl Monroe with the Bullets, Dave Bing and Walt Frazier. Back then, they weren't defined as PGs or SGs. They were just Guards.
They wasn’t shifting people and had sauce like 00 so it’s a lil less comparable to today’s guards
@@BoxCJ206er u crazy af, pistol Pete was the original white chocolate
@@Real-ez2lg yeah he was and basketball players get way better each generation. U smoking rocks if u think Gilbert wouldn’t make him fall on his head.
Baron ‘you know what I mean’ Davis
I don’t know basketball that well but it seems to me at the nba level when the best player is a 6”2 guard and there no elite big true wing championships are hard to come by.I seems the guards have all those skills but the bigger stronger wings are just more valuable
it’s extremely hard for you to win a championship if you’re best player is under 6’5 EXTREMELY D wade,Isiah Thomas, and Steph Curry are the only players that come to mind that have won while being the best players on their team and being on the “shorter” side in the NBA i could be missing sum but i can’t be missing a lot cause it rarely happens. 6’6 and up are usually the magic numbers
@@nephviewtube7227 right so true although in the last I guess 30 years that’s only 3 championships where they were the obvious best player on their respective teams but 3 outta 30 not bad odds I guess.
As far as championships it all depends on the team. Tony Parker won one were he was the best player on the team but he also had 2 other HOF players. You can be small and the best player you just have to have other players that are great in that system like Chauncey Billups had.
@@ABrown-hs7fy tony Parker was not the best player on that team lol I can’t believe you said that
Facts no true bigs and wings. Players from the 80s 90s was bigger and stronger. These NBA players today are slim or skinny built.
That’s so true. GA was special at the PG.
When they said just score Ben Simmons felt that
I agree Gil was like the first Point guard to have the green light to get 30 plus a game
Isiah Thomas of the Pistons
Facts 100%
Baron Davis was A beast for A long time!!
Gilbert Top years were only Washington 3-4 yrs tops!! But it was A Top 5 player Run!!! 💪🏾💪🏾💯💯💯
Baron speaks all facts … People forget about Gilberts greatness !
Yeah dude was seriously good for the wizards
1-4 flat 🤣🤣🤣
BD whisper game strong af 🤫
Baron Davis was definitely a top 5 point a point in time Darren Williams was nice to
If u don’t understand look at Gils 4th/5th/6th and look at Curry MVP seasons
I thought Baron Davis couldn't grow hair😅
This is True
Agent 0 needs a new nickname.. just call him "FACTS"!
Hibachi is/was a monster on the court, but I’m going to need him to do a retake of this. 10 ast minus 2 is not 6 ast lol
i peeped that too lol
Why Tf baron Davis and Gil not in the hall of fame yet I’m so happy that Cweb finally got in but man them two and Steve Francis and Ai was the start of the pg position changing forever
I would say BD was the precursor to Gilbert. Baron was one of the first PG I saw that could score from anywhere on the floor and dunk on your center.
Zeke…?
@@Racoons4Change I was born in 88 bro.
You mean Gilbert the first to take deep shots...Iverson was the first hybrid PG
Jerry West was shooting from deep back in the day when they only counted for two.
@@716TheAlterEgo don't forget pistol pete
Good gas 🌲😂
I definitely preferred watching Baron Davis and Arena era of pg.
What about penny?
But the thing is
Mmm I don't know if Gil was the first. AI could still be at PG in this era instead of being moved to SG. Even "prime" DRose got to stay at PG with his scoring ability.
Kd vs Larry bird. I wanna hear Gilbert answer this one. I feel like the obvious answer is kd
He has he said KD would sauce Bird up
kd is larry bird 2.0
@@mikemike7264 nah kd way better
Iverson was before Arenas. They both were technically SG but brought the ball up the court
no Ai is a strictly sg stop just saying shit shut up give gb his respect
@@jasonjohnson5664 but he came to the nba a pg for his first 3yrs
Nope. Iverson always played with a PG/ballhandler most of his career. Eric snow with sixers (98-04), and anthony carter was the starting PG when iverson was in denver(07-08) While Gil was literally the PG in their line up during his prime.
Iverson SG
Wheres the white guy? (Co-host)
Fired
So people forget Isiah Thomas of the Detroit Pistons
What about Iverson ? Tim Hardaway?
What happened to the other host ? The short white guy
Tbr, he not lying. Gilbert was shooting half court shots(not like steph and dame of course). He was going down the court not setting plays he was just scoring and led a trash wizards team to the playoffs
What about Penny? What about Isiah?
How can they consider Iverson a SG but not Gilbert lol that doesn’t make sense. Iverson was drafted as a PG, so Iverson was the first scoring PG.
you really haven’t been listening to these guys talk then. everyone who has classification to speak talk about Iverson being a 2
Iverson lined up at the 2 nearly every season
I would say AI
True
I'd say Stephen Marbury
Chauncey Billups
So we are going to ignore Ai? Ok.
Gilbert you what I mean arenas
First hybrid PG was Allen Iverson... not Gilbert
Didn't Baron Davis have a Jheri curl?
“You gotta remember”
“you know what I mean”
That’s all I heard
I love these guys but BD
Gil did not play Defense Lmaoo
Uhhh people forget Isiah Lord Thomas
Who?
The Media fault
Isaiah wasnt shooting like gil
Dude he was iverson before iverson
Zeke was just more in tune with the team game but he always got down when he needed to
Y’all revolutionized the game. It’s a guard league today. People love to discredit today’s era but there’s a reason bigs are going extinct.
Guard oriented basketball and big oriented basketball are two completely different games.
Bruh you even watch the last season? Who won the MVP? Who was the MVP runner up? Who won finals MVP? Like come on bro there’s more teams in the league than the warriors.
@@nkoehler337 of course there’s great bigs in this era. But the game ain’t ran through them like in other eras. It is a more perimeter oriented. There are teams literally running small ball. But how many teams lineups have no shooters. Yes Jokic was Mvp. But you taking him over Steph, Harden, or Dame?
@@Banks23 I would take Giannis over any of them. I’d take Jokic over Harden and Dame. Curry is like the best shooter in NBA history so I guess it depends on how you’d want to build your team. There’s shooting role players.
@@nkoehler337 I like Giannis but idk I’m still taking Curry and Harden over him. But at this level it’s just pick your poison. All three are handfuls and Giannis def has an advantage defensively
Isiah Thomas with Detroit Pistons
So they're all worried about partying and getting paid as much as possible first, and don't care about the team or winning?
What happened to the white guy with all the questions? I liked that guy
🤷♂️ Ever heard of a guy named Isiah ( ZeeK) Lord Thomas ( Leader of the Bad Boys).. ?????
1-4 FLAT!
Ehm ... Iverson was the first to start this style of playm. No, he wasn't a SG 😀
So y’all forgot about A.I.?
Everybody go watch bd UCLA highlights dude was a nice
The Big O? He avg a triple double a few seasons in a row.
Y'all must have forgot about Allen Iverson
He played the 2 most his career
Iverson barely shoot 3s
He played SG bruh
Yh they forgot cuz even Gil was a 2 guard
@@alfredallen6113 Stevenson was their 2 Guard as well as Roger Mason during Gil's time. Eddie Jordan played him at 1.
B Diddy is trippin. He forgot about Iverson.
I was looking for this comment
I love Gilbert but jerry west n iverson was pgs who scored n did what Gilbert ended up doin
GILBERT IS THE BEST REPORTING PLAYER
BD being humble talking like he ain't one of the pioneer hybrid PGs.
Bro I know this dude Baron don't got a hole in the shirt man 🤣
He got more holes in that jackets, than you got subscribers 🤣
i thought AI was lmao
Steve Francis may have been before Gil
the franchise
Iverson and Marbury came before Francis. Still I love Stevie Franchise
Isaiah Thomas was a scoring guard
first Hybrid PG? Kevin Johnson is laughing ! Lmao
GA math off af... but I get it 😂😂😂
Penny
3 than 0
Mans forgot about AI who truly was the whole team 🤣🤣
AI was a 2 guard
He was an SG
Right
Gilbert means take 4 assists off. Or 30 and 8..lol
Only guard who carried better than Gil is Prime DRose
Iverson
allen iverson
Isiah Thomas?
I feel like that's BS...
BD was a damn problem!!!!!
The way they talk about Gilbert makes me think he Jordan or something...
You wouldnt understanddd he changed the definition lowkey of point guard..he was avg 28-29 points a game with 6 assist point guards never scored like that in the nba..Allen iverson is a 2 guard to but his height u wuld think he was a 1. Also play style Gil played completely different from 98 percent of the point guards that ever played in the NBA..he was ahead if his time basically..
@@melolilz03 Dawg Gilbert only did that 2xs in his career. How he change "The Game"??? Do your research plenty of pgs did this before him. Ever heard of the Big O or even Tiny Archibald??? Tiny avg 30pts and 10ast before. Gilbert shined on a mediocre Washington team lets be real.
Uhhh Allen iverson?
So... Allen Iverson wasn't that huh?
A.I. Was a sg, I think that’s why they didn’t include him
AI YOU BOOZO
Drose is stop it
Are you decribing james harden
What’s bd smoking? I give you 2 words: Allen iverson.
He’s talking about Point Guards
So yall just goin shit on Deron williams like that huh even Chauncy Billups like damn bruh
Isaiah Thomas
Tiny archibald
why is Baron kissing his ass? can't compare Gilbert to no Steph, Russ and Dame. They not only score but do distribute.
Isaiah Thomas gets no respect.