Here's how BRYSTON makes OLD amplifiers NEW again!
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- For more about Bryston's Back to the Future program, bryston.com
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I know mate I saw your vid.
Really? Tell us something only the real SG would know. We'll just see.
there is only "one " Steve
Another shining example, and proof, that we make great things here in Canada. Hats off to Bryston
Amazing, takes "standing behind their products" to a whole new level. This is a company to support.
I purchased my first Bryston in 1979. A modest 3B. I have owned virtually every piece of equipment they have made ever since along with their various Model T speakers. They have always supported upgrades over the years and only once had to use their 20 year full warranty. I can’t say enough good things about their products, engineering and staff. I have experimented with other brands but have always returned to Bryston. You will never regret buying Bryston. ❤
You haven’t tried real electronics yet then
@@welshrarebit9238 What kind of statement is that?
@@Teachering it sounds like a statement from someone who by their username really enjoys the middling quality of british-made Hi-Fi.
Don't get me wrong I'm not defending bryston because I do not like the sound of bryston products of any shape or form. that said though every time I've been up and close and personal with a bryston product I marveled at it's build quality.
@@welshrarebit9238 You comment is neither inspiring nor helpful.
The minimalistic industrial design aesthetic of that piece is a thing of beauty... the knobs, the subtle contouring.
Bought a used 28b3 in Canada. Moved to Portugal and they converted it to 220v, tested the unit and re-biased it and shipped it to Portugal to ensure import. Seriously amazing amp and best service I have ever had period. ❤
44 years ago? That is only half of Doc Brown’s 88 magic number for Back to the Future.
This program by Bryston is simply awesome that they make such services available to their dedicated users. Kudos to Bryston.
If you don’t own a Bryston
It’s possibly to improve your Brand X gear yourself. With a simple digital capacitor “checker” a user can determine which capacitors in vintage equipment need replacing. It’s not a really difficult nor is it an expensive way to return a quality vintage device to fine performance levels. Other components may be a different issue but capacitors are not too difficult to replace.
Great show and Great Show Shirt this AM.
Our best wishes and prayers to all Florida audiophiles as Ian takes aim on your homes and properties.
I work at an audio repair shop in Austin Texas callled Telstar Services and the technicians there restore and upgrade old gear from tube consoles to home theater avr’s! It is amazing what people bring in to get repaired every day and very surprising it’s mostly veterans who bought their gear in the service. I think old veterans are probably one of the biggest audiophile communities around!
This is my B60 unit! Thanks so much, Steve. It looks stunning with the newer generation silver faceplate, at least move livable in a home environment IMO.
Hi Jarret! Thanks for the "loan." Enjoy!
Kudos to Byston. I wished other manufacturers would follow their commitment to it’s product and customers.
Took advantage of this program to refresh (Tier 1 and 3) a pair of 3B NRB power amps that I've had since the mid-90s. They weren't in "terrible" shape, but it sure is nice to have them performing better than ever with the upgraded output stages.
While the Bronx is more downtown and city-like, Brooklyn is known for its enriched cultural influences, art scene, and independent, entrepreneurial spirit. You know I was uh watching some TH-cam videos of a person that lives in the Bronx (Batel Skater is her channel) and uh she claims ... it's rough there but ... I mean, maybe it's all fiction. Maybe it's not as rough as she suggests. Anyway there's no Audio system in her place. No music and she blocks people so don't suggest Steve's videos you know.
What were the upgraded output stages? I have a 3B NRB.
@@andrewhuculak7558 They replaced all the output transistors with the newest comparable units available. support.bryston.com/downloads/refurbished/bttf/BTTF_INSTRUCTIONS_MEMO.pdf
I've never been brand loyal, but Bryston has won me over. The company is awesome and admirable in so many ways! Others should follow their footsteps.
Some time ago I found second hand BHA-1 in mint condition for 1000€! It's a 2019 model too. Never looked at other brands ever since, that thing makes anything sing. It's currently running my HD800S and Genelec 8330s, what a deal for 1000€!!
Last week I pulled the trigger and bought the BDA-3.14, haven't received it yet. Never been so excited in my life, can't wait to try it out!
Bryston is a company that charges a lot for their products, but are still a great value. Stand up company, they are serious about their warranty and service and just good people.
I took advantage of Bryston's restoration service about 7 years ago (before it had a name). My 23-ish yr old 4B-ST was misbehaving, so I sent it in. (shipping cross country is the most painful part). But back then I think I paid about $650 for all new electrolytic caps replacement and some startup circuitry upgrade, and new bias pots, I think. One had gone noisy. Now, with all new modern caps installed, I'm pretty sure my amp might sound better than new! It's been in daily use for 7 years, and still sounds perfect! The old ST version is a slightly bright and lively amp, best suited to speakers that need that. I also have a newer 4B-SST, and it's top end is more neutral, The SST sounds better with my Tannoys.
Thanks Steve for another great video and really great information. To me this adds to what I already thought that vintage can still be great even when compared to new. I have both new and vintage of various kinds and some vintage is still hard to beat. Some older gear was built to last better than others and it seems Bryston is one of those brands. Very cool
Bought a used traded in Bryston 4B ST a few years back from a Audio dealer and it still had 3 years warranty left on the 20 years. About 2 years later one channel was going into protect so I called Bryston up and they said to ship it to them for repair. One catch was I had to purchase the proper box from them to ship it in for near $50. Once I factored in the shipping cost it was as cheap to make a road trip there ( I live about 2-21/2 hours away ) and drop it off which is what I did. Two weeks later it was sent back to me in working order. Two months later the Amp started to do the same thing, so once again back it went ( this time in the box they sent it to me in ). Two weeks later back it came and has been fine ever since. About a year later I purchased a used floor Demo Pre Amp BP-6 from my local Audio dealer and the sales guy I always dealt with said the Pre had about 11 years warranty left so we made the deal. I started checking the date of manufacture a few days later to find out it only had about 1 year left. It was an honest mistake by my salesman and he felt horrible and told me if I wanted to return it I could or he could adjust the price. I told him I would think about it.The next day he called and said if I want to keep the Pre Amp that he spoke to Bryston and they would give me in writing a full 20 year warranty from my purchase date as long as I was the owner. That's great service from Bryston. I sill have both the Pre and the Amp.
Bryston is fantastic regarding service, solid sounding amps. I installed 6 B 4’s in a club system years ago, still going strong after 15 years of use.
Bryston was very popular in the 80s in pro recording & mixing studios. A trend was 250wpc on Yamaha NS10M near field monitors & George Asperger main monitors getting 1000wpc+ in the major rooms.
I really really like what 'Bryston' is doing. Repairing great equipment seems to be more and more an ancient custom and to me that is wrong! Product design is so efficient they (mfg) can now predict within days when YOU will go back to the stores and by another item from them.... I call that RENTING and not OWNING your purchase. ANY WAY BRAVO Bryston!
I"m watching this video in my edit room at the network. In front of me in the console is our last bryston 2b. It"s been on 24x7 for decades. Still sounds great!
DQ-10’s were a jaw dropper on first listen over 52 years ago no matter what amplifier you were using. I like this program that Bryson is offering. Every company should do this in the audio industry.
I applaud manufacturers that do as Bryston does, offer customers an aftersale upgrade path. My Rogue 99 (now the Super Magnum) preamp has been back to Rogue twice in the 25 years I have owned it. Those parts upgrades have made a really good preamp become an exceptional one. The total I spent on both upgrades, $1200, could never have delivered comparable performance if I had traded the preamp in and added that $1,200 to replace it.
I first heard the Brystons with PSB Project B2 speakers using an Oracle AC table as a source...playing Steely Dan's " Gaucho" and the Pretenders "Brass in Pocket"..when they were fresh. Long time ago. I pieced the system together...using Bryston 1B preamp. Still sweet.
Bryston Sp-3 i purchased second hand in Australia. Well out of warranty and mr Tanner helped me with new firmware upgrade. I’ve heard the Lyngdorf, marantz, denon avp and Classe SSP-800 and the Bryston was the best sounding.
Great topic. I didn't know about Bryston until a week ago, but - judging from user experiences, written in forums - they seem to be absolutely bullet proof. I am currently looking for a vintage preamplifier (BP 20/BP 25) here in europe. Hope this video is not going to add to the current inflation of the market. :D
My only exposure to Bryston amps was at a small local dealer that had it hooked up to a large pair of Allison speakers. I don't recall the model. Of course with vinyl source. Was impressive.
I'm running a pair of AL-120s that I rebuilt and they are sweet !!
I have owned Bryston for decades. I cannot praise this company enough. First I bought was the 4B power amp to drive the DQ-10's I got off eBay. A great pairing.
Back in 1999/2000, I bought a B-60 (I think at Sound by Singer), a Rega Planet 2000 and a pair of B&W CDM1SE speakers. Now in 2023/24, all of this continues to be my main system and still sounds like new…..with only various turntables coming and going through the years. The B-60 went back to Bryson twice during the 20 year warranty period for minor issues….bad selector switch and volume pot. I could afford to upgrade and if I had a larger space, might consider doing so but so far, it seems my carefully made decision was the right one….Charles Lloyd “Canto” was played on repeat for a week to break it all in :-)
What was not said is this service keeps these products out of landfills and recycling. The big picture is this is the right thing to do. You may want to pick up your updated unit in person as Bryston is located near "Vacation Country".
Nice clean system Adam. I sense it has a beautiful sound.
I have a Bryston Amp, would never go for another company, even if the sound was “better”. The build quality and aftercare is incredible and unmatched as far as I can tell.
They are built like tanks the bryston like McIntosh are, just not as good. I had 2 4bs mono blocked and when I switched to my old McIntosh amps they got destroyed big time! The bass was so much better detailed much bigger and duh much deeper.
I use a 15 year old Bryson 4B ST to power my Magnepan 1.7i. Room shaking power and control. Maybe I’ll refresh them before the 20 year warranty expires…
Steve, nice to see you still soldiering on. I have a Radford pre and power duo from 71 and I will not be replacing it any time soon. Standby is a Quad 405 and 33 pre. Am I a bigot? Cheers
Thanks for this, Steve.
As chassis and transformers are the most expensive items in an amp, and also the ones that don't deteriorate, this is a brilliant idea that more manufacturers should consider. Also, it cuts out the dealer markup! Of course, not many brands are around long enough for a program like this, and it does put a premium on serviceability of the original design.
I’m running a 2.5B3 and BP26 with power supply. Love Bryston
Steve this is awesomeof Bryston !!
I heard the DQ 10s back around 1990 paired to a Pioneer SX 1250 i was blown away !
I recently had a Bryston BP-1.5 serviced, prior to the BTTF program. The unit came back performing at full spec, regardless of its age. It was incredible! I own four Bryston units now, three of which have been serviced by Bryston. I’m a customer for life!
HUGE thanks for this information. I have a Bryston 4b thx power amplifier that needs attention. This is perfect!
Yep, most hifi shops used the Bryston/Dahlquist pairing in their high end room back then. I was a witness.
My only problem with Bryston is that their stuff is laboratory-grade analytical. Many don’t like that. It is, however, a good complement to warmish speakers. The DQ10s were old school in tone, so yeah.
Edit: Stupid autocorrect!
The older Bryston gear was analytical, there new gear IS NOT.
I believe that Accuphase have had a similar program for their amplifiers for quite some times. And I think it's brillant. Actually, in a world where more and more people are concerned about the ressources of the the world, I strongly believe that services like Bryston's are in fact the future.
This is a great idea from an environmental standpoint - keeps equipment out if the landfill. It’s nice to buy good stuff and keep it for life.
Thanks for the review. Despite never owning Bryston gear, I've listened to their equipment plenty at high end audio shops I frequented. I thought their build quality was excellent and their warranty was nearly impossible to beat.
The review is more about Bryston's rebuild program than anything else--which is fine, since it really is a good deal.
For sound, the review came up short as it turned into more of a Maggie LRS/Rel Sub vs KEF LS50 review.
It would've been more interesting to me if the review compared the sound of the rebuilt vintage piece to a modern Bryston.
Steve, Bryston's 20 warranty only applies to their analog products. Bryston digital products have a 5 year warranty.
That's fair enough, many digital components will be third party and can't be warranteed that long. 5 years is very good.
Very cool service! Wish that I could send out my 45-year old Bob Carver C-500 power amp for that service!😮
Unrelated in a way but I got to ask Steve how do the LRS + compare to the beloved .7. I have a space 11 x 18 which is pretty small and I’m ready to go for one. I’m just over a barrel which one to go all in on
Thomas and stereo did a comparison review between the different models. Some surprising results. Left me happy with the choice of my LRS in my 13x19 room
That is fantastic. I wish other manufacturers would follow suit. Canadian too, how’s it goin’ eh, comrades? 🇨🇦
Would be nice to see Luxman do this since they have incredible older SS and tube equipment dating back to 1960s.
Wow! 🤯
Canada's Oracle Audio performs the same service for everything they ever built. Or, if you wish, rebuild their Delphi turntables (any year produced) to current production offerings.
You can usually accept that old solid state gear will not suffer the same problems as tube gear. Still, some of the caps may or may not be deteriorated. The silicon transistors ought not have any issues unless someone has "blown up" the amp or something. Any old gear with mechanical controls may need those cleaned or replaced. Some old resistors can change value and some are stable. Depend on what kind they are. But it is theoretically possible for a 30-40 year old solid state amp to not be any different in function as compared to new.
I bought my B-60P (includes MM phono stage) in 2000. I’m never selling it! I paid $1900 and it was worth it! Built like a tank! Not the last word in transparency due to the volume pot but with the pre-out / main in connections you can always add a better preamp. The optional phono stage is very good but can also be beaten by a good tube design. Yes, it comes with some compromises but as my back up amp it has never let me down.
That is pretty cool
I've sent an amp back to Bryston for a mid-life refurb. Top tier customer service. Everything was/is first class. A great company.
I still use my '78 Bryston 2B
Hi Steve I’m Nick in Troy Michigan, I own a pair of lrs currently driving them with Rogue audio Coronus mk2, would the Bryson be a better choice? Thx for your input Nick
This is a great concept. Macintosh is the only other company that services their vintage equipment.
Many high-end recording studios used Bryston amps for their control room monitors and reference speakers. I don't know if that is still the case.
Bryston ALWAYS made a decent equipment!
That is certainly standing behind ones product.
My trouble with buying used is finding trustworthy repair/restoration. Great service.
Really wish others had tge same Back to the Future program. I have 4 Aragon amps (all made b4 Klipsch acquired then killed off the brand). All are incredibly reliable, but starting to show their age and will need to be repaired or replaced eventually. New Aragon's have dumb, unneeded "features" (I don't see a need for amps with ethernet ports?).
Way to go Bryston!
Got a Rotel Michi S5 so I'm good for many years, but Bryston was my 2nd choice ... Terrific support by Bryston.
I was impressed with Carver's warranty back in the 90s. Bryston takes the cake in 2022.
Residents!
I've had a 9B ST for 23 years, it's been flawless.
It's always a good thing when a company supports older products... Like Mazda doing refurbs on the MX5! However... They replace the outputs with a non original ONsemi 21193/94 pairs. A very good transistor considering what's available these days. They cost about €10 each. The costliest parts are the hardware: pots, fascia etc, super cheap speaker posts maybe not. Labor for testing and install will far outweigh parts cost. What I'm saying is they're making a fairly decent profit. And now they have a nice stash of unobtanium Motorola output devices.
This amp has two big black toroidal tranformers balls which provide it with plenty of ballsy grunt.
Confused why they would change power transistors unless it was for a better spec part
Interesting, when your old amp gets the overhaul you will have a totally new amp. But, will it sound the same as it was?
I wish Harman Kardon had such a program! And I had all my HK shit again!
WELL. THIER PUTTING IN SMALLER PHYSICAL SIZED CAPS THAT CHANGE THE SOUND. THEY DON'T REALIZE THE CAPS HAVE TO REMAIN THE SAME SIZE BY INCRRASING THE VOLTAGE BY 25% AND THE UF BY 10 % Then THEY WOULD KEEP THD ORIGINAL SOUND FLOOR
This was my original comment yesterday:
*UNBELIEVABLE!*
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET A POWER SWITCH REPLACED ON MY 3B SST FOR 3 MONTHS NOW.
NO REPLIES TO PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS.
AS FAR AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THAT PHONE MESSAGE THEY ARE BACKLOGGED UNTIL NEXT DECADE!
Actually I really love the amplifier, but I don't see how they could offer an upgrade service when they don't even answer their phones!!
Please take note Steve!
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*PS
Adam from Bryston called me today!
Apparently their email and tech support system collapsed. They have a new system now and replied to my phone call yesterday within 24 hours!
He will be back to me later in another 24 hours with the part I need.
Yay!*
Stomach Rumble 7:19. Go eat something, Steve!
It's a shame more audio companies don't have policies like Bryston---amazing warranty and now this. They just might have a new customer soon. ;)
They do if your talking that level . Sugden,naim, and so on
Cyrus do a similar thing but also offer an upgrade pack on a lot of their products.
Hi & thx!
Is that a Residents T ?
Yes, Bought it at a Residents show a long time ago!
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac nice one! and it suits you well
If I ever come into money im getting bryston.
Makes me wish I had hung on to my 3B from the late 1970's.
Bryston rules
So why didn't you use the Bryston with your Cornwalls?
The present 4B3 is now $8200 + $1200 tax……$9400….And that is the Canadian price !
Is Bryston’s warranty transferable? Good info today, Steve. Thanks.
Yes it is transferable. I am in Canada, not sure about other countries.
When you buy a Bryston product, the serial number is listed as sold. For the next 20 years whoever owns it gets the warranty. It doesn't matter how many people have owned it. I'm not sure if the warranty is the same for digital products.
The warranty on Bryston digital products is 5 years.
@@AT-wl9yq I bought a barely used Schiit Aegir. Sweet sounding amp. A channel died. No warranty. Pretty much a door stop now.
@@ecyfoto Did you call them? Its fairy common for high end companies to make exceptions and fix things out of warranty.
I wish Carver had a restoration program like that. I have a late 80's Carver receiver that still works but could use an overhaul.
Scamming should be a punishable offense. With the technology available there’s no reason that the powers to be can’t put a end to cyber scams.
No short supply of scam artists for sure.
Keep your groove going on Steve. You’re one of the best audio heads out there with honest reviews.
Peace out.
So the 'before' picture is softly focused and the after picture is sharply focused - really that ol' marketing chestnut?
What a great program!
There are two extra requirements for some of those gorgeous viewer systems that excite us. 1. No kids. 2. No pets. Keep that in mind when planning.
Huh, I thought they were made in Vermont
It's just like what's happening in our country right now 😆
2k is a lot for a 4b studio i paid 250 euro for years back. But Bryston service has been nice though. Spare parts for not a lot of money.
Nice viewer’s system.
I've been trying to contact Bryston for almost a year via phone and email and have not received any response from them. I have a 4B ST under warranty and just want them to send me the box ($75) so I can ship it to them to be biased and checked over.
After trying 5 or 6 times via the service area of their website I gave up until I saw this vid. Anyone here know how to get me in contact with someone at Bryston to get warranty service???
Not sure you had any success to this point but I too experienced the same. Reason…the person who you would normally deal with has been on a LOA. My persistent emails finally paid off. My 3B is now in their hands but lead time I’m told is about 6 weeks. Good luck.
I brought a Harman Kardon Citation (5.1) and took it from a brick-with-a-click to a full recap. Paid a couple hundred for the 60lb beast and $450 for the recap . . . 60 parts swapped, but not the transistors. I think there are about 50 Toshiba output transistors total . . . hooked it up to a pair of Dahlquist DQ-10's and at 9 meters no problem dancing above 90dB . . . it will not exceed Mach 10.2 without blowing speaker fuses . . . but clear as a bell, live sound, at 90dB.
The designer, Steve Mantz, does full restores at his L.A. shop, but I found a local shop that did excellent work.
well...just sent a pair of Bryston 3Bs in for the back to the future program...we will see. tier 1 is 1k each
Can you inform the details of the restoration program, pace 1, what are inclusive, charge. Pace 2 details. Where to send the unit to? Phone number or email contact information. Thanks Steve
Please contact Bryston, bryston.com call or email.
Disappointingly, when I rang Bryson UK they said they would only refurbish my 14B-SST Pro at my cost even though it is less than 20 years old and I had it from new… so perhaps your information is wrong?
was that a fart at 7:18?
I only know Canada for Maple Syrup
Legal weed,Tim Hortons,Blue jays World Series champs…….
No Donald Trump ,thank god
@@welshrarebit9238
Ya Canada has Trudeau 😂😂
@@Carl-bd1rf LOL, no comparison. Trudeau's a ponce but far better than Donny Heelspurs.
Sweet though, eh?
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I love it when stuff has more balls. Wait, no I dont. Forget I said that, I said I was bi-lingual nothing more!