Reading The Bible Leads People Away From The Catholic Church?
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- Reading the Bible for yourself; does it truly lead you away from the Catholic Church and into the Truth? Why do so many Catholics fall away when they decide to read the Bible for themselves? Sola Scriptura should lead you away from Protestantism and towards Catholicism.
Curious… How did you know that the bible taught Roman Catholicism if you did not have any concept of Roman Catholicism?
I would ask the same of a Roman Catholic who jumped to a particular Protestant denomination purely on the basis of reading the bible.
I can only assume you were dissatisfied as a Lutheran and went seeking for something else as you were reading your bible.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Catholicism fits into the truth of the Bible.The church is a basic concept of Catholicism.
I wouldn't say that I did not have _any concept_ of Roman Catholicism; I knew it existed and was taught that the Pope was the anti-Christ, Mary was worshiped, and Catholics earned their salvation. What I didn't know were the actual teachings of the Catholic Church in Her own words.
As a Lutheran, I really only knew of Protestantism and Catholicism. I wouldn't say I was dissatisfied as a
Lutheran, but I felt things were missing, and certain Bible passages didn't sit too well with my conscience and my Lutheran confessions. It was 1 Corinthians 1:11-13 that more or less started it all; this passage clearly speaks to the divisions in Protestantism. Again, I only knew of the Catholic Church because that is what Luther broke away from. So, listening to the Bible I found that Sola Scriptura is unbiblical, the doctrine of imputation is unbiblical, etc. It was Scripture alone that said that Christ delegated authority to Apostles to bind and loose; it was Scripture alone that clearly said we are justified not by faith alone; it was Scripture alone that said we have to confess our sins to others. Once I started realizing this, that is when I vigorously researched the Catholic Church and Her teachings, and everything I read and listened to in the Bible fit perfectly with those teachings! I hope that answers your questions!
@@reiniscinovskis7088 Were you a Protestant too?
@@protestanttocatholic Interesting. How did your parents take your decision? My mother would be devastated if I changed religions.
@@djpodesta "Yes, I was a Protestant as well."
Having been raised and educated as a Catholic and supplemented my learning by reading Catholic books, lectures etc. By the time I got around to reading the whole Bible, I knew the Catholic faith pretty well. Everything I've read in the bible looks familiar, like Catholicism to me. Conversely, I remember apologist Gerry Matatics saying that as a Protestant he made a promise to God that he would follow the bible wherever it lead and he wound up Catholic.
@@gerry30 See… you did things the correct way. Blessings.
Protestants don't realize it took centuries for the Church to unpack our understanding of the Christian faith. The Church had to battle many heresies, such as Gnosticism, Arianism, Pelagianism, and Nestorianism. Several great men, such as St Athanasius, St Augustine, and St Irenaeus, fought these heresies. And Protestants believed that a person could figure out true Christian beliefs just by reading the Bible in a few years?
Amen brother! When reverting from atheism i read through luther and Calvin then laid them aside and just read through the bible. By the end of reading the bible no other church fit the whole truth of the bible like the Catholic Church the fulfillment of temple Judaism
@@mcrmylover100 welcome back home, brother!
Welcome back home!
Prior to medieval Christian claims in regards to the Apostles, the Pharisees had already set an example of developing dogma based on an alleged authoritative oral tradition having been passed down alongside Scripture from Moses himself.
Moreover, despite the fact that the Pharisees were responsible for establishing the proper canon for Israel (and for Christians since their canon is included in all Bibles), much as later Catholics claim for themselves, their assertions of tradition's authority was roundly condemned by none other than Jesus Himself: "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition!"
In all of Biblical history, not one mention is made about authoritative oral tradition as a compliment to Scripture. During the Apostolic Age, both Christ and the Apostles always appealed to Scripture as the final authority for any claims or practices under consideration. This is logical since only the Apostles and Prophets were understood as authoring Scripture and therefore having such authority. Priests, though appointed by God, were always commanded to follow Scripture rather than extraneous customs.
Prominent early Church Fathers recognized this principle, asserting that the true Catholic Church must always act in harmony with Scripture whenever "small matters" of tradition, as St. Basil the Great (d. 379) identified such issues, aren't specifically addressed. Thus, anything truly alien to Scripture or its theological principles must be abandoned.
For example, here is St. Basil describing such considerations as he experienced them in the 4th-century: "For instance, to take the first and most general example, who is there who has taught us in writing to sign with the sign of the cross those who have trusted in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ? What writing has taught us to turn to the East at the prayer? Which of the saints has left us in writing the words of the invocation at the displaying of the bread of the Eucharist and the cup of blessing? For we are not, as is well known, content with what the apostle or the Gospel has recorded, but both in preface and conclusion we add other words as being of great importance to the validity of the ministry, and these we derive from unwritten teaching. Moreover we bless the water of baptism and the oil of the chrism, and besides this the catechumen who is being baptized. On what written authority do we do this? Is not our authority silent and mystical tradition? Nay, by what written word is the anointing of oil itself taught? And whence comes the custom of baptizing thrice? And as to the other customs of baptism from what Scripture do we derive the renunciation of Satan and his angels? Does not this come from that unpublished and secret teaching which our fathers guarded in a silence out of the reach of curious meddling and inquisitive investigation? Well had they learnt the lesson that the awful dignity of the mysteries is best preserved by silence. What the uninitiated are not even allowed to look at was hardly likely to be publicly paraded about in written documents" (The Holy Spirit, 27:66).
Obviously, it makes good sense that such "small matters" of tradition can be legitimately supported since Scripture and its clear principles are not violated. However, St. Basil also has this to say about Scripture and Church doctrine: "Enjoying as you do the consolation of the Holy Scriptures, you stand in need neither of my assistance nor of that of anybody else to help you to comprehend your duty. You have the all-sufficient counsel and guidance of the Holy Spirit to lead you to what is right" (Letter 283).
St. Jerome (d. 420), writing in the 5th-century, likewise describes acceptable traditions as being very harmonious with Scripture: "Don't you know that the laying on of hands after baptism and then the invocation of the Holy Spirit is a custom of the Churches? Do you demand Scripture proof? (Note that what he refers to here as a custom is actually described multiple times in the Book of Acts!). And even if it did not rest on the authority of Scripture the consensus of the whole world in this respect would have the force of a command (Obviously because of very clear consistency since he used a Scriptural example of what a legitimate Church custom looks like). For many other observances of the Churches, which are due to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law, as for instance the practice of dipping the head three times in the layer, (A neutral practice implied by Jesus's "Great Commission" formula and later found in the Didache) and then, after leaving the water, of tasting mingled milk and honey in representation of infancy (Old Testament symbols); and, again, the practices of standing up in worship on the Lord's day (Standing is in the Book of Ezra), and ceasing from fasting every Pentecost; and there are many other unwritten practices which have won their place through reason and custom. So you see we follow the practice of the Church, although it may be clear that a person was baptized before the Spirit was invoked" (Jerome, Dialogue Against the Luciferians, 8).
Keeping these principles of maintaining traditions that merely illuminate explicit Scriptural doctrines in view, we can now make sense of what other early Fathers write about Scripture's unique authority....
Clement of Alexandria (d. ca. 216) said, “But those who are ready to toil in the most excellent pursuits, will not desist from the search after truth, till they get the information from the Scriptures themselves” (Stromata 7:16).
Hippolytus of Rome (d. 235) said, “There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures and no other source” (Against the Heresy of One Noetus 9).
Hilary of Poitiers (d. 367): “Everything that we ought to say and do, all that we need, is taught us by the Holy Scriptures ” (On the Trinity, 7:16).
St. Athanasius (d. 375) said, “The Holy Scriptures, given by inspiration of God, are of themselves sufficient toward the discovery of truth. (Orat. adv. Gent., ad cap.) “The holy Scripture is of all things most sufficient for us” (To the Bishops of Egypt 1:4)." "The Catholic Christians will neither speak nor endure to hear anything in religion that is a stranger to Scripture; it being an evil heart of immodesty to speak those things which are not written,” (Exhort. ad Monachas). “Vainly then do they run about with the pretext that they have demanded Councils for the faith’s sake; for divine Scripture is sufficient above all things; but if a Council be needed on the point, there are the proceedings of the Fathers, for the Nicene Bishops did not neglect this matter, but stated the doctrine so exactly, that persons reading their words honestly, cannot but be reminded by them of the religion towards Christ announced in divine Scripture.” (De Synodis, 6).
St. Basil of the Great (d. 379) said, “Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on which side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favour of that side will be cast the vote of truth” (Letter 189:3).
St. Cyril of Jerusalem (d. 386) said, "We ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures...Let us then speak nothing concerning the Holy Ghost but what is written; and if anything be not written, let us not busy ourselves about it. The Holy Ghost Himself spoke the Scriptures; He has also spoken concerning Himself as much as He pleased, or as much as we could receive. Be those things therefore spoken, which He has said; for whatsoever He has not said, we dare not say" (Catechetical Lectures, 4.17ff).
St. Gregory of Nyssa (d. 394) said, "What then is our reply? We do not think that it is right to make their prevailing custom the law and rule of sound doctrine. For if custom is to avail for proof of soundness, we too, surely, may advance our prevailing custom; and if they reject this, we are surely not bound to follow theirs. Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words (Dogmatic Treatises, Book 12. On the Trinity, To Eustathius).
St. Ambrose (d. 396) said, “How can we use those things which we do not find in the Holy Scriptures?” (Ambr. Offic., 1:23).
St. Augustine (d. 430) said, "For the reasonings of any men whatsoever, even though they be [true Christians], and of high reputation, are not to be treated by us in the same way as the canonical Scriptures are treated. We are at liberty, without doing any violence to the respect which these men deserve, to condemn and reject anything in their writings, if perchance we shall find that they have entertained opinions differing from that which others or we ourselves have, by the divine help, discovered to be the truth. I deal thus with the writings of others, and I wish my intelligent readers to deal thus with mine (Letters, 148.15). “For in regard to the divine and holy mysteries of the faith, not the least part may be handed on without the Holy Scriptures. Do not be led astray by winning words and clever arguments. Do not even listen to me if I tell you anything that is not supported by or found in the Scriptures” (Exposition on Psalm 119).
John Cassian (d. 435): “We ought not to believe in and to admit anything whatsoever which is not in the canon of Scripture or which is found to be contrary to it” (Conferences, 14.8).
Have you pondered on what Jesus meant when, before castigating the Pharisees He instructed people to "practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice." (Matthew 23:1-4).
I dont think if one read the Bible only will go away from Catholic Church. Its the one who read and interprets the Bible according to man made Sola Scriptura (which is not biblical at all) goes away from one True Church that is "Catholic Church"
If you read Bible carefully without any influence of false theology and teachings of Protestantism you will see that Sola Scriptura is umbilical.
Its sad that people who say that they follow sola Scriptura and are not influenced by any outside authorities to interpret the Scriptures, unknowingly follow a man made authority outside the bible that is Sola Scriptura itself.
Dude same! My FAVORITE verse of the Bible is where it says that it is the sole source of authority. How don’t Catholics know this!!!
I'm sorry but I don't believe you that reading the Bible by yourself would have you conclude Catholicism. You would not get Ikon Veneration, Marian Dogmas, the Papacy, Purgatory, etc. out of simply reading Scripture (you would have to have a Catholic lens or reference point of Catholic arguments and existing Catholic interpretations).
Please, don't believe that because I never claimed such a thing. I said that the Bible _prompted_ and _led_ me to Catholicism; I did not "conclude" Catholicism by reading the Bible - those are your words, not mine.
@@protestanttocatholicThe text hold fast to the traditions you were taught (past tense) by word of mouth or letter means whatever was orally taught it was first century apostolic...Marian dogmas, ikon veneration, etc is not first century oral tradition. You can not anachronistically insert later developed doctrines back into the text and call it kosher.
@fatimatriumphs Also...you gave the spiel about how many former Catholics say when they actually read Scripture they left the Catholic church and you said the opposite was the case for you so I took that at face value and tried to articulate that without quoting you word for word exactly I was not Intending to put words in your mouth.
@@Adam-ue2ig You do know you can find icons in 2nd century (and probably 1st) worship spaces as well as inscriptions asking for the intercession of the saints?
@@BensWorkshopnothing in the first...I did hear of some art work in 2nd or 3rd century but the evidence is quite scant and not universal just isolated location/s (and that is a far cry from substantiating anything close to today's reality). The dating on that scant "evidence" is also questionable.
Sorry to hear you lost your way and left the Catholic Church. Going alone with just your bible is deadly. Satan gets you on your own where you make these wrong decisions, and become your own god. Keep praying and spend time before the Blessed Sacrament. I once looked elsewhere and all I tried doing was trying to find justification for living a sinful life by pouring over scripture. It's wrong and cannot work. The Catholic Church has the authority of the Magisterium, you don't, and Satan knows this in order to get you alone. I pray to God you find your way back. May God Bless you and your family. Pax. Steven. U.K.
Sorry to realize you didn't watch the whole video. :)
@@protestanttocatholic My apologies for misunderstanding you. It's just that your introduction was seen as your journey and not you speaking about others. With endless videos on TH-cam do you think a person landing on your video introduction would watch the entire video when you initially state "I was a Roman Catholic for many many years.......and it wasn't until recently that I found something and it lead me away from catholicism". Pax. Steven.
Hmmm. Peter's confession of who Jesus was made him a rock, not who he was in himself. Don't believe it? The hard evidence is rock solid. Let's have a look.
1 Corinthians 1:10-13: Paul addresses the divisions among the Corinthians, where some were claiming allegiance to different apostles (Paul, Apollos, Peter, or Christ). Paul emphasizes that faith and unity in Christ is what truly matters, not allegiance to any human leader, including Peter.
1 Corinthians 1:12-13: "What I mean is this: One of you says, 'I follow Paul'; another, 'I follow Apollos'; another, 'I follow Cephas' (note that Peter wasn't even referred to as Peter here but by his original name, Cephas); still another, 'I follow Christ.' Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul?"
Galatians 2:6-14: Paul speaks about how Peter's position did not matter to him and should not matter to others, emphasizing that what truly mattered was the truth of the Gospel. Also, in Galatians 2:11-14, Paul recounts how he publicly corrected Peter for his hypocrisy when Peter withdrew from eating with Gentiles due to pressure from certain Jewish Christians.
Galatians 2:6: "As for those who were held in high esteem-whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism-they added nothing to my message."
Galatians 2:11-14: "When Cephas (Peter) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas (Peter) in front of them all, 'You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?'"
Galatians 2:7-8: Paul described Peter as simply the apostle to the Jews, while he himself was the apostle to the Gentiles.
Galatians 2:7-8: "On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised. For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles."
Galatians 2:9: Paul lists James before Peter when referencing apostles he met in Jerusalem.
Galatians 2:9: "James, Cephas (again, calling Peter by his original name), and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me."
Acts 15: James, brother of Jesus and senior leader for the Jerusalem church, had the final word in the discussion about whether Gentile converts to Christianity needed to follow the Law of Moses, particularly circumcision. After much debate, James offered a summary and issued the final judgment.
Acts 15:13-19: "When they had finished, James spoke up: 'Brothers,' he said, 'listen to me. Simon (Like Paul, James also does not always refer to Peter as Peter] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written... It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.'"
1 Peter 1:1; 5:1: In his first letter, Peter refers to himself simply as an elder even as he is an apostle. Not as a bishop and not as a Pope but collegially as an elder. Also in 2 Peter 1:1, he refers to himself even more humbly, simply as a servant of Jesus Christ and an apostle.
1 Peter 1:1: "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,...."
1 Peter 5:1: "To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ's sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed."
2 Peter 1:1: " Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ...."
These direct Scripture quotations demonstrate Paul's focus on the centrality of the Gospel and Christian unity in Christ Himself over personal allegiance to any human leaders, including Peter. They also emphasize Peter's original name, Cephas, and that his primary mission was to evangelize Jews just as Paul's was to evangelize the dominant Gentile population. They demonstrate James's supremacy over Peter in Jerusalem, the Mother Church of early Christianity. And, indeed, Peter's own letter demonstrates that he held no office of primacy in the early Church. Clearly, then, he could not have held anything resembling general authority over other apostles or churches.
Finally, when looking at church history, we find that not a single church named in the New Testament was ever under the Roman Pope except for Rome.
Therefore, all claims about Petrine-Papal supremacy are shown to be grossly exaggerated and unfounded - biblically, theologically, and historically.
Peter's original name was Simon Bar-Jona, not Cephas. Cephas is a Greek transliteration from the Aramaic word Kepha, viz. "rock". Also, Christ gave the keys to the kingdom of Heaven to Peter, not to his confession; to put Peter and his confession in a dichotomy does much damage to the text. As for Acts 15, it was Peter who stood up and spoke whereby settling a matter on doctrine and revelation: "We believe that we will be _saved_ ..." (v. 11); James simply exhorts a pastoral/disciplinary matter by proposing that the Gentile converts adhere to certain precepts that Jewish converts would have considered it scandalous to violate: abstinence from “the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood” (v. 19). I suggest you to read the Bible without others telling you what it means for the time being. Peace!
😊😂 reading the bible and leaving the Catholic church sound like the Candace queen's superintendent of acts 8 who couldn't comprehend and needed someone Andrew to help him comprehend what was he reading. Everyone should ask himself Which among bible and church was established first? What's the history of both? And begin to search honestly.
For any Protestant watching, this is what the Catholic Church teaches, from Scripture:
- We are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8)
- working in love (Galatians 5:6, 1 Corinthians 13)
- In obedience to God (John 3:36)
- and growing progressively in holiness (Matt. 5:43-48)
Read John chapter 6 of the Gospels where it says "unless you eat My Body and drink My Blood; you do NOT have LIFE within you!" There is only one place on earth you can do this: the Eucharist at the Holy Catholic Mass. If you do not care about having LIFE within you then go ahead walk away from JESUS who is Truly Present at every Catholic Mass in the Bread of Life and the Chalice of salvation. Of course, Jesus is speaking of Eternal LIFE, not just our short life here on Earth!!!!!!!
The Holy Bible is a Catholic Book as the Catholic Church comprised & gave The Holy Bible to the world. Written in 325AD, canonized in 382AD & reaffirmed in 393AD & 397AD. Over 1500 years later, Protestants, WITHOUT GODS AUTHORITY, rewrote it, added/deleted words, verses, chapters, books and changed wording to The Holy Bible & to The Ten Commandments. Changing a word here & there negates the meaning of Gods words.
Revelation 22:18 For I call as witnesses all listeners of the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone will have added to these, God will add upon him the afflictions written in this book.
22:19 If anyone will take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion from the Book of Life, from the Holy City & from these things which have been written in this book.
Jer 26:2 “Thus says the Lord: Stand in the atrium of the house of the Lord, speak to all the cities of Judah, from which they come to adore in the house of the Lord, all the words that I have commanded you to speak to them. DO NOT CHOOSE TO SUBTRACT ANY WORD.”
2 Peter 1:20 Understand this first: that every prophecy of Scripture does not result from one’s own interpretation.
1:21 For prophecy was not conveyed by human will at any time. Instead, holy men were speaking about God while inspired by the Holy Spirit.
2 Pet 3:16 just as he also spoke in all of his epistles about these things. In these, there are certain things which are difficult to understand, which the unlearned and the unsteady distort, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction
Happened to me as well. Raised non-Christian and claimed atheism through high school and college. Eventually I realized I wanted to help people, but I saw within that I couldn't even help myself with certain things that I now call sins. I broke down one day because I felt trapped, helpless, and hopeless, and said, not intending to speak to anyone or pray, "why is this happening to me?" and a very real almost holographic-like image of a Bible appeared before me. Nothing like that ever happened before or since. I surrendered myself to the God of the Bible, "whatever that means" I thought to myself. I was led to a Baptist church where I was later baptized. I was reading the Bible, learning Bible studies online, in person, through written guides, and attending church services as often as I could, sometimes five times a week.
Pretty quickly I caught on to something that didn't make sense. The Baptist preacher said something negative against religion and everyone clapped. I didn't get it. I was in a mainline religion and people were clapping as if religion was a bad thing. This set me off to go talk to the local, small-town, Methodist, Presbyterian, non-denominational, other Baptist, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons. Online I was learning about Messianic Christianity too. Needless to say, I because staunchly anti-catholic.
The more I listened to people, the most confused I was. The more I read the Bible alone, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book, the more I noticed some things that seemed to be Catholic. I read through the New Testament multiple times in that first year. I picked up on something no one was talking about. Everyone talked about Jesus dying for our sins, but no one talked about that fact that He also started something, a "church" that seems like it should still be around today. I was stuck. What I was being taught and what I was reading and discerning in my heart weren't aligned.
One of those things I picked up from reading the Bible alone was the passing on of the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands. Logically, this meant that there should be an unbroken line since the apostles and has to be here today. I was stuck at a crossroads. I figured it was either unidentifiable as a public entity, aka underground, or it was the Catholic Church, or maybe somehow it existed within the historical Catholic Church that is corrupt today.Lrch?" I felt the affirmative. Went to Mass on that Wednesday evening. The old testament was about Samuel hearing the call of the God in the temple and the Gospel was about Jesus' sheep knowing His voice and following Him. I received communion, which turned out to be a supernatural experience that made me believe, without knowing anything about the Church's doctrine, that there was something special about it.
I went home and opened up to Luke chapter 1 at the prompting of the Spirit. Then I got to the Visitation. Mary, filled with the Holy Spirit, says "Henceforth all generations shall call me blessed," I was blown away. I had been taught that Mary was just another woman and that the Catholics give her too much attention. I knew they called her "blessed virgin Mary" and now it seemed like it was a marker of the people of God to do so.
There's a ton more to all this, but yeah. Prayerfully reading the Bible alone led me to the Catholic Church.
Thank you for your testimony!
In earlier videos you were clear you were originally introduced to Catholicism via a woman you were interested in. To imply you were led to the Catholic Church via the Bible alone is incorrect according to your own videos. Hate to be that person but very mindful of your established content.
The Bible _prompted_ and _led_ me to Catholicism. That woman took me to an adoration chapel; years later, I started listening to the Bible, and a specific passage prompted my entire journey into researching Catholicism. That woman did not give me a Catholic Catechism or direct me to anything other than sitting in a church with me; did she "introduce" me to Catholicism? Sure, in a limited sense, but it was listening to the Bible alone that ultimately led me to the Catholic Church. Thanks for the comment, brother!
Reading the Bible lead me to catholicism. Lifelong protestant
Truth, "sola scriptura" means you live in the desert with the Bible alone.
Since any pastor or whatever is already an outside influence, Catholics call it tradition, whether it is a good one or a bad one.
Actually Judas Iscariot left Jesus also.
Also... the Catholic church basically already concedes on the front end that you would not get Catholicism out of simply reading the bible...That's why they say you need Catholic tradition and the magisterium. Would you get the Marian dogmas from Scripture alone? No you need the Catholic tradition to tell you to believe it...There are simply way to many Catholic doctrines that you would not get by simply reading the text (the Catholic church knows this that's why they say you need their traditions and the magisterium to fill in). The Thessalonians passage I assume you are referencing below says hold fast to the traditions you were taught (past tense) by word of mouth or letter so whatever oral would had to have been 1st century apostolic and you would have to prove it differs in content from Scripture...you can not insert later developed doctrines like ikon veneration and Marian dogmas back into the text as if that Scripture justifies it (that is called anachronism when you insert later developed tradition doctrines back into the text). Also, I would think you would know Protestants don't reject traditions wholesale but a distinction is made between legitimate and Illigitimate and that they must be checked with Scripture. Paul even states in Scripture DO NOT go beyond what is written and that Scripture is God breathed, able to make complete, equips for every good work, makes wise unto salvation through Faith in Christ.
Scripture alone commands us to hold on to Sacred Tradition and to submit to the authority Christ delegated to His Church; that's the irony of Sola Scriptura.
@@protestanttocatholicThe Thessalonians passage I assume you are referencing says hold fast to the traditions you were taught (past tense) by word of mouth or letter so whatever oral would had to have been 1st century apostolic and you would have to prove it differs in content from Scripture...you can not insert later developed doctrines like ikon veneration and Marian dogmas back into the text as if that Scripture justifies it (that is called anachronism when you insert later developed tradition doctrines back into the text). Also, I would think you would know Protestants don't reject traditions wholesale but a distinction is made between legitimate and Illigitimate and that they must be checked with Scripture. Paul even states in Scripture DO NOT go beyond what is written and that Scripture is God breathed, able to make complete, equips for every good work, makes wise unto salvation through Faith in Christ.
Looking forward to your series. This sounds interesting
Someone once said if you want to become an atheist read the bible from start to finish
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “When brothers and sisters who are not in perfect communion with one another come together to pray... their prayer is the soul of the whole ecumenical movement. If Christians, despite their divisions, can grow evermore united in common prayer around Christ, they will grow in the awareness of how little divides them in comparison to what unites them.”
“It is absolutely clear that ecumenism, the movement promoting Christian unity, is not just some sort of “appendix” which is added to the Church’s traditional activity. Rather, ecumenism is an organic part of her life and work, and consequently must pervade all that she is and does.” Ut Unum Sint, May 25, 1995
Amen!
In what way does reading the Bible alone lead to the catholic church the most? Like what are the main doctrines that line up the most I guess.
Stay tuned!
Clearly, we need drink more from the Bible...
But, it is compatible. Why do you think Jesus did such an effort to build his church?
@@ciopatxot2891 so He could save every single soul.
@@ciopatxot2891 I don’t know about that. The bible caused the split in the first place with Luther… and all the Protestants fight among themselves because they all have a bible… And now all these ex-Protestants with bibles are engaging with arguments all over the internet.
Wouldn’t it be better if we left the bible to the church scholars and just practiced our religion in peace and harmony?
@@djpodesta I wouldn't say the Bible caused the apostasy of Luther. Luther did. His pride through scrupulosity made him use the bible as an excuse to reject the authority of the Church. It's not like he was an honest broker of the bible or the truth of Catholicism.
@@gerry30 Exactly. If your left eye causes you to sin; cut it out… and so on…?
@@gerry30 But it is funny how we rarely had arguments about religion until everybody decided that it was important to pretend to be bible scholars on the internet.
Unfortunately, I don’t see any of these ex-Protestants tying their enlightened bible verses (A continuation of their Sola Scriptura maybe - old habits die hard) to the Catechism. Now that would do everybody a great service. 🙏👍
But each to their own I guess.
“Claim to read the Bible on their own” lmbo! No, when you read the Bible the Holy Spirit guides us, we are not alone! The Catholic teachings are not Biblical in the slightest.
Christ is Lord
Good work!
Thanks, my man!
What I find interesting this his whole thing is the scriptures turned me away from all forms of organized Christianity. I am a follower of Jesus of Nazareth, I go to a church with other followers, but I'm not anything but a follower of Jesus. I'm not Catholic or protestant or Orthodox or whatever. All branches have issues, all branches deviate from Jesus teachings in some way, so give up on following a church, or a pastor or priest, learn Jesus and God's heart, follow Him, let go of being anything but a follower of our Lord and our God.
Isn't "going to a church with other followers" a form of organized Christianity?
@@protestanttocatholic yes sir, and like all organized forms, like all branches and denominations, the church I go to has its own issues. Nothing fundamentally wrong; just like most denominations (Catholicism included), but yes all fail in some way. I’m suggesting we quit all this division and bind ourselves together under Christ rather than Protestant, catholic, or wherever you want to call yourself. I’m a Christian, your a Christian, we have placed our faith in Jesus, our living God, to save us and redeem us.
I have no idea how anyone reads the Bible and then decides to be anything other than Catholic.
Really I don't believe that...would you read the Bible and get Marian dogmas, the papacy, purgatory, ikon veneation, an exclusive ongoing new testament priestly class, etc out of simply reading Scripture? Of course not and thr Catholic church already admits this from the start that's why they say you need the Catholic tradition and the magisterium.
@@Adam-ue2ig Read it from the cultural perspective of first century Jews, not a twentieth century Westerner. Christ established a new hierarchical Church with what we would call a prime minister in Cephas, two additional close advisors, twelve apostles (and apostolic succession confirmed with Matthias), and 70 disciples which mirrored the Sanhedrin. Isaiah 22:22-25 prefigures Matt 16:18-19. Simon renamed Cephas replaces Caiphas, just as the wicked prime minister was replaced in Isaiah. The power to bind and loose (doctrine) was given to this Church. With Christ as King, Mary becomes the Queen Mother, the 2nd most revered person in the Davidic kingdoms. Purgatory is a purification process, and this purification process is spoken about in the gospels. Remember nothing impure can stand before God. The problem isn’t that these things aren’t in the Bible. You just haven’t been taught how to read it in the context of the times and the cultural understanding of its divinely inspired human authors and their original audience.
@CrestviewCutters You are only confirming my point when you basically argue you have to read it and be taught to read it with specific presuppositions and interpretational lens of what you assert would be in accord with Jewish thought and Catholic interpretations.
@@Adam-ue2ig Believe it or not, understanding the messenger and intended audience is essential when analyzing a sophisticated text.
@CrestviewCutters Also modern Catholic apologists have tried to soften the blow (so to speak) by reconfiguring purgatory to be exclusively about cleansing and purification (on the contrary medieval purgatory is very much about punishment for sins, sentences and indulgences). Penal Substitutionary atonement i.e that Jesus was the perfect spotless lamb, lived a perfect sinless life on our behalf and payed our sin debt such that the Father looks at Jesus and not our imperfections (this grants us justification and access to heaven making purgatory contradictory to penal Substitutionary atonement). Many Catholics seem to deny Penal Substitutionary atonement and I see why with doctrines like purgatory (although modern Catholic apologists tend to grant a distinction between what they call "initial justification" and "final justification " but this is a distinction and apologetic strategy that was not in medieval Catholic vernacular...Modern Catholic apologists try various strategies in attempt to make Catholicism more palatable to Protestants at the cost of being inconsistent to historic conservative traditional Catholic theology).
If you read the Bible and it led you to Roman Catholicism, where in scripture do you find Jesus gave Peter the role of overseer/bishop/pope to Gentiles?
Not a good news for yourself.
YES
Had me in the first minute, NGL.
I have not heard your all words of the talk, because you have started quite wrong with respect to Bible and the holy Church and I thought the rest of the torque would be meaningless and wasteful.
Oh dear, how did you got the Holy Bible? From where it come to you? Who spread glorified worshipped believed with most chastity and God's fear?
Who extend and revere the word as such,in all events of the whole life in order to get the life free of sin? Were there not any synagogues and holy Temple, why did the God the lord built the new covenant of the Holy Catholic Church?
You said you have read the Holy Bible, but I'll sorrowfully protest you that you have read nothing of it.
Fear the Lord
Fear his judgement
Profess your sins
Conference for your sins before the Lord God in the holy Church.
Acknowledge that you are mortal sinners living on this earth till the physical death, and, then???????
Take the understanding from the wisdom of God and reject all your understanding and wisdom before God the Lord.
You will find the Lord at every moment of your life and you will feel that every breath of yours is the gift of God in his Glory.
Be fool before the god in order to be wise in his eyes and to live in his Glory.
God bless you with true light and holy spirit.
Amen
If sola scripura was Inpired by God Jesus would have wrote the bible handed it to the apostles and said so.
Jesus didn't write the bible he established a church who wrote the bible under the inspiration of the Holy spirit.
What is the pillar and foundation of truth sola scripura ? Lets look at what scripture actually says is 1 timothy 3:15
Watch the video.
@fatimatriumphs
I did watch my comment was more rhetorical and not aimed at you it was an effort to support your position.
@@averagejoe2635mea culpa! Thanks for watching.
I have not heard your all words of the talk, because you have started quite wrong with respect to Bible and the holy Church and I thought the rest of the talk as meaningless and wasteful.
Oh dear, how did you got the Holy Bible? From where it come to you? Who spread glorified worshipped believed with most chastity and God's fear?
Who extend and revere the word as such,in all events of the whole life in order to get the life free of sin? Were there not any synagogues and holy Temple, why did the God the lord built the new covenant of the Holy Catholic Church?
You said you have read the Holy Bible, but I'll sorrowfully protest you that you have read nothing of it.
Fear the Lord
Fear his judgement
Profess your sins
Confess for your sins before the Lord God in the holy Church. And don't boast for your wisdom and understanding more than those who were sent. Only need to recognize him as only mean of the salvation and life in the heaven, as destined by the heavenly Father.
Acknowledge that we are mortal sinners living on this earth till the physical death, and, then???????
Take the understanding from the wisdom of God and reject all your understanding and wisdom before God the Lord.
You will find the Lord at every moment of your life and you will feel that every breath of yours is the gift of God in his Glory.
Be fool before the Lord in order to be wise in his eyes and to live in his Glory. Don't be proud before him. Record the blind sick leprotic crippled and he even raised the Dead.
His prophecies came true when he was on earth and even after he was raised to the heaven they are proving the truth that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true lord and true king and true God.
God bless you with true light and holy spirit. Don't be so silly to say that you should be saved without the worship of the God and glory of the Lord.
Amen.
You sold this so well.
For me reading the bible leads me away from Catholicism false doctrines practices.
how so?
Having discernment between the wrong doctrines of men from that of the sound doctrine of GOD.
@@rishanborrymbai1104 how do you do that?
Which is the wrong doctrine of the Catholic Church, and who told you that or what made you think that way to make such a judgement?
In the Bible it says who ever eat my body and drink my blood will enter the kingdom of heaven, where can you eat and drink the body and blood of Christ? Protestants have Bible study and concert that's it