For unique weapons I will be showing stats of every item. I heard the feedback from you all, but not until this round of tierlists had already been made. Next ones will improve!
Don't know how you can put stealth as S tier and Smoke not, it may be better for speedrunning but for general all around cost effectiveness Smoke is probably the best melee orientated runeword in the entire game and one of if not the best armour pre high rune costs with the exception of shaftstop and guardian angel. 50% all resist for the cost of a lum rune at a time where most classes are struggling to cap resists puts it way, way higher than what is effectively 20% runwalk from stealth. The rest of the list is fairly accurate, although delerium's downside doesn't match the benefits and I think insight should have made it their somewhere for it's early-mid game usefulness.
@@FunFunFun120 but this list isn’t purely about melee oriented statistics or benefits lol, I love how you reduce stealth to ‘what is effectively 20% faster run walk’ when it’s 25% FASTER CAST RATE, 25% FASTER HIT RECOVERY, & 25% Faster Run/Walk’ Yes, Smoke is dope as hell for the cost I agree, but ignoring 25% FCR + 25% FHR on an Armor that costs Tal + Eth is hilarious
You really should consider going over these tier lists again but do so with more in depth analysis of each item, specifically this Runeword video in particular. As a Diablo 2 veteran I can understand why you put most of these Runewords inside of the tiers you did and what those Runewords are useful for but isn't the purpose of these tier list videos to also help educate new players who are coming in to Diablo 2 now or going to be playing Diablo 2: Resurrected for the first time? I don't think anyone would complain if the videos were an hour long or longer especially if the video has timestamps for each item or for these larger lists if you break down some of the tiers in to separate videos, if education is part of the purpose of these lists new players need more information as to why things are good, what those things do for you and how they affect your gameplay. Appreciate the videos though, I hadn't played Diablo 2 for several years (Since 1.12, I believe) so your Guided Playthrough videos/streams helped refresh my memory and even taught me some cool things I never knew. Thanks :)
I understand it would take a while to show every item but showing them for a second would add a lot of value to the tier lists. I watch all the videos on a secondary screen and it's much easier if I can simply pause it for a bit to see the goodies. Great content!
These videos would be so much cooler if he would have done that. Clearly it takes time, but these videos could have been much more useful for so many people.
Would you ever consider making a merchant/shopping guide? There seem to be a lot of worthwhile items you can get from the various merchants on different difficulties. Appreciate all the content!
Not seeing the items makes this list very hard to actually understand. Some indication on what the runeword is for would also be awsome (like melee, ranged, sorc BIS, merc only etc.)
And we had to go outside and drive 30 minutes one way on crappy roads to find a store that sold a box with a cd in it that we had to put into a slot that sounded like a jumbo jet taking off and took forever to install the game. Then if we wanted to play on the online, we had to dial a number on the computer and wait for it to connect while it made more loud, obnoxious noises, then once we got connected we had to download a patch that took all day on our 56k. THEN once we finally got to play for a few minutes, our older sister needed to use the phone to talk to her brain damaged bff or b/f all night. So, single player it was.
I honestly think that Spirit/Insight/Stealth are more OP than Enigma is. People can cry all they want about Enigma but you can't beat those stats you get for the price of dirt. Grief on the other hand.......
The amount of content you have been uploading is just mind blowing. I have so many videos to watch when i go for D2R... hell, watching them nowadays already, dont stop!
Oath is actually a busted runeword. It just gets overshadowed by things like Grief and Last Wish because D2 has been so end-game focused over the years. Oath delivers an absurd amount of DPS for the price of a Mal. It is my go to when I'm first working on a melee character before getting Grief. EDIT: I should mention that it is arguably harder to find a decent Eth base than the Mal. Though since it is cheap you can throw it in whatever and later make another one.
Oath is sleeper OP for summon necro. With will o the wisp ring you can summon the level 17 spirit and then remove the weapon completely and it won't despawn. Then throw on your beast and telestomp bosses to death so fast you will wonder if you accidentally made a normal difficulty game.
Runewords that I would place higher: Peace: Ridiculously good on an amazon because 1 real point in Valkyrie allows the level 15 valk procced by this to stay alive indefinitely. So it's like having +14 to valk on this armour. Prudence: Self-repair means you can make this in an ebugged armour and wear it yourself. Lawbringer: Often finds its way onto a windy druid, since almost all the immunes that give this build a hard time are undead. Harmony: It's scandalous that this got rated lower than Melody. Good +damage%, vigor aura, flat damage, elemental damage, valkyrie, small army of revived minions... what else do you want?
I made an infamous Storm Bear with ‘Rain’ armor back in day. It ran Stormlash ctc tornado and Carrion ring and Rain ctc twisters and recast Cyclone. I put 75 points in wind and maxed Maul, and also used highlords, dracs, and SS. It was so much fun, I still have old vids of it on my channel I think from ‘08 using it. Just shows even D tier can find a niche
Man bone is amazing when you don't have access to enigma and are forced to run around as a necro. The constant proc of the bonearmor with synergies absorb like 700 DMG and keeps you alive so much more than any other armor for necro. It's even possible to make an unkillable necro utilizing this armor. It deserves recognition. 2 ums isnt expensive nor is it something you have right of the bat. But it should definitely be considered as a mid tier armor. Only to be replaced by enigma
It's worse than Vipermagi and Stealth when you need it for the FCR breakpoint and worse than Wealth and Skullders for magic find purposes. By the time you're at max synergies for the bone armor, those items should be very easily available (besides necros can run around naked in most areas without getting hit by physical damage at all)
I think voice of reason should be reconsidered at a higher tier. You dismissed it because it doesn't have improved attack speed in this video, but it doesn't need improved attack speed on a phase blade zealot the breakpoints are only 13 ias to get 5 frame zeals / 4.16 attacks per second which is essentially "anything" , or only 72 IAS for 4 frame zeals / 5.2 attacks per second. It works well synergized with a conviction aura or maybe even ideally a dual dream tesladin At least for that build it's on-par with any of the high rune weapons, at mid-rune price, now you can argue that dual dreams itself is expensive, but you don't actually "need" the dual dreams to make it work, it just happens to be the end-game ideal setup. The weapon works great even at low levels of gear, such as first breaking into hell. By going with voice of reason you're saving yourself the money of having to buy either grief or infinity, which makes the dual dreams that much easier to swallow. And while you don't then have the lifeleach of the high physical tesladin build with grief, you kind of don't need it because of all the crowd control you get from the frozen orbs. It is like rift, except for paladins instead of assassins.
Just a suggestion: I think for most people it would have added a lot of value to see the item when you hove over the runewords. The words you used to introduce them were enough but a visual aid would help a lot.
I need a scrabble letter/word search for runewords!!! Put in the runes you have, and it tells you know what complete or partial runewords you can make!!
So hyped for release My hope for Change/re-balance: - basic loot filter - see ilvl - remove basics keys - only one Low Quality item - not "Low Quality, Cracked, Crude and Damaged" - Last Wish Rune Word - remove "Hit Blinds Target" it overwrite Life Tap - Make so "Paladin Smite" does work with Life Steal and Mana Steal - Make so "Paladin Resist Fire, Cold and Lightning" display the hidden bonus to maximum resist - Make so "Assassin Venom" does not cap poisoning duration at 0.4 from other items - Make so "Assassin Fade" does not affects Shrines + display the hidden bonus to Physical Resistance - Make so "Druid Raven" gains 1 additional Raven for each 5 lvl after lvl 5 - Make so "Necromancer Poison Dagger" is Poison Attack - all weapons not only dagger
A lot of those lower tiered RWs have specific use cases. Bone is excellent for summon necro if enigma is out of reach. Rain is also great for a windy with no enigma. Those builds are highly +skills dependent, and in SP/SSF situations those RWs can be invaluable.
Yeah, he was a bit harsh on these armors. A lot of them aren't bad. At least Bone has ALL resistances and a nice mana boost. It costs 2 Um runes, but they have been dropping pretty consistently for me. Peace, Treachery and Rain are all decent. Now, Myth is definitely pretty lousy. No life, mana or any extra resistances. The nice thing about most of these armors is that they are the easiest way to get +2 skills on an armor early in the game. Enigma, CoH and Arkaine's Valor are NOT easily obtainable in the early game.
@@kriswempa5171 I agree that Myth is pretty useless, since most barb builds are not very +skills dependent, and it doesn't do anything else of value. Lionheart or Duress are my goto budget barb armors.
Peace on a amazon is super OP and cheap early on, just one point in valk gives you a lvl 15 valk (stays permanently if you have at least 1 point in valk) that doesn't vanish in 2 seconds like when you're playing a different class.
@@yanniblumstein1 I feel like Barb's and bowazon's are the 2 most gear dependent classes. Like, they range from straight trash/unplayable to godlike if they get really good drops early.
@@bobby45825 Bowazon is never godly even with the best possible gears on unfortunately lol. With a single Infinity, Javazon is much better than Bowazon in every possible aspect (AOE damage, single target damage, survivability etc)
@@Cleav3r It's for leveling bro.... No one is using Peace as an end game armor lol. The Valk simply tanks NM & Hell for you so you don't have to kite. Also don't be a sheep, those dodge skills have tons of utility especially for a bow zon who can't block. Bow zons can be great in PvP and are a lot of fun playing through the game, you don't need to only make godly builds to have fun.
I’d love to see a video about mercenaries. Specifically, best ways to level them, best type of mercs for builds, and are the stats a lot better for normal act 1 mercs compared to nm/hell at same level.
Funny thing about the runeword fury. Back in 1.09 we got our hands in an eth bugged Balrog blade which we used to make fury in and duped it, and it was the best weapon for Barb vs Barb.
Have to disagree with Gloom ranking. Throw it on a merc for res. Dim vision is basically just a total CC for any ranged/casters, and if you know how to move your merc, the melee monsters also.
My S tier Enigma (changes the game for all non sorc characters, so op it is BIS even for sorcs), Infinity (Every elemental build becomes amazing and there are a lot of such builds they outnumber melee builds), CTA (hardcore characters or those low in mana generally), Spirit (sword is A tier but shield is BIS casters), Insight (not as amazing as it used to be). Grief (best melee weapon),
did you really put Bone runeword in the last tier? I can tell you've never even tried using it on an endgame necro - the auto bone armor recast (which still gets buffed from your bone armor synergies) often when you get hit makes him practically immune to physical damage, because it usually takes more mob hits to deplete the entire bone armor than it takes for the armor to be recasted.
It’s good for summon necros since fcr is not a huge deal. The problem is that summon necros don’t get hit often. You’re basically using it for the res. Might be good for an early ubers kill with a summoner
@@robbytherob oh i was saying in the context of a bone necro without decrepify (to put more skills into bone and only use amp dmg to boost CE dmg) which means mobs get to you a lot and i can tell you Bone runeword literally makes me almost immune to phys dmg even in chaos sanctuary, its insane how useful that auto bone armor recast can be! Like thanks to it i dont even need to use a merc at all and still blow through CS in 2 mins
@@jerometruitt2731 well the base for most runewords just needs to be superior for +15% ed. Getting a wand or staff to roll a certain +skill is so rare.
May we get a video talking about the tunewords more indepth? I suggest doing s tier, a tier, etc. I want the a/b to know what's worth playing with before getting the op stuff
I would rate "Steel" bit higher, because it's very easy to make in late act1 - early act 2, considering it's easy to get 2 socket weapon and Tir+El rune, and it gives you +2 mana per kill which pretty much fixes mana issue for melee characters early game. It's not crazy or OP, but it's super easy to make and you can do it at lvl 13 I think. That and"Stealth" are pretty much go-to if you are Paladin or Barb.
Hot take: Lawbringer is high A / low S tier. Using on an a5 merc for a wind druid is best in slot but also VERY good on any physical based char outside of necro or barb with zerk. So the way sanctuary aura works is unique in that it works different than how it reads. It doesn't actually give you enhanced damage vs undead but it Lowes all undeads physical resistance down x% effectively setting it to 0 along with knocking back undead. And then it procs decrepify on hit which is slows everything heavily which is amazing for bosses and lowers phys resist an additional 50%. So looking at let's say a wind druid fully geared you have 7k tornados. But in hell difficulty many monsters will have about 50% DMG res so you do like 3.5k avg and 0 DMG vs phys immune outside of hurricane. With Lawbringer merc with decrep that puts it down to 0 so your damage is doubled back at 7k and can break immunity like with infinity. But let's say a heavy undead area like chaos (66% undead) now most those monsters will be taking full DMG including phys immunes and and with a decrep proc they will take 150% so 11.5k instead of 3.5k or 0 for immune undead. Or the whole ghost class of monster which is phys immune in hell diff and would be immune to tornados or physical attacks now take full damage or 150% of full damage. So again with a whole class of monsters you commonly would run into on hell countess, hell arcane(key runs), wordstone or anywhere in a3 gos from being immune to most your damage to being one shot by you. Oh and on top of that you also knockback all undead every few seconds which is actually hugely useful vs a lot of the most dangerous enemies in the game such as burning souls dolls and chaos knights. So TLDR is : neuters bosses, huge damage boost to physical on decrep proc, constant huge damage boost and complete immunity removal on all undead and great crowd control against many of the most deadly monsters in the game. All from very easily farmable runes.
Voice Of Reason is underappreciated 😞 it's my go to against physical immunes as it has everything it needs to handle them. It was particularly useful on my smiter as the lack of ED didn't matter. And to top it off, it also gave Cannot Be Frozen which let me replace my Rhyme.
I'd move Chains of Honor, Exile, Breath of the Dying and Last Wish down to A tier. They're all sub-par for their resource cost. Probably Obedience as well because it's a pretty niche item. And also move Edge up to A tier because gambling is much more widely used than stuff like Ice or pre-buff Memory. And also move Phoenix down to F tier :)
I'd say that all of the class specific runeword armours should be A tier. They're generally easier to get than SotVM. The extra skill levels and res are great for the mid game.
Stone is fantastic for Mercs and honestly the best Armor you can wear until you get your end game armor, you recover sooooo quickly. It is the best armor for Merc, sorry, it just is, if you watch when your merc dies it's in hit recovery. This armor allows him to continue leeching. And Treachery, I know you can do a port him to you trick to get him Faded, but it does not get the HUGE defense bonus. An Ethereal Sacred armor on a Defiance merc gets him close to 5% chance to be hit, and with Mercs getting their resistances capped by level, it's really only hit recovery that can stop him, Fade doesn't add very much since in Stone he's almost never getting hit anyway.
I genuinely think that Grief, Enigma, and Spirit are *so* far above everything else that they deserved their own tier. CTA and Infinity are right below that, maybe on par. Basically, gamebreaking runewords deserve their own tier.
Spirit isn’t that game breaking. Just solid stats for cheap cost. I think something like infinity is the most game breaking runeword. It let’s you break immunities and drastically increase dps.
@@robbytherob Spirit is ridiculous for the same reason as Grief. It basically invalidates any other off-hand options like Grief does for weapons. It's not quite as bad, but it's close.
Fury is also the best in slot second weapon for whirlwind assassins in pvp. The open wounds and deadly strike are huge. It's expensive and niche but really amazing in that niche.
I would say the top spot is a toss up between Call To Arms (gets my vote) and Spirit. Both have a hugely transformative effect for when you get them, i play hardcore so CTA gives me that cushion in general Chaos sanctuary is blitzed in no time and let's face it Ubers and CTA. Any new diablo player should start with a sorc (because of teleport - most powerful skill in the game - makes MF boss running infinitely more effective) get spirit and the objective should be to get Call To Arms using all sales, runes to get it ASAP.
Hey Mr Llama, would you consider a video for newer or returning players about Which kinds of bases you'd put the runewords in during a ssf run? It's one thing to know that the runeword is good, but another to know whether X base is worth using the runeword on? Thanks.
Death is very base sensitive, but if you can make up for its lack of IAS, it's a solid S. Example: Fury druid, Death 2h axe, 20k damage per hit at 5 fpa with 100% deadly strike, 100% crushing blow.
Yes lawbringer is OP. I tested every single weapon as an OH and the clear times for /players8 is broken with lawbringer. Not to mention the lvl 15 decripify proc at 20% let’s you down venom lords instantly. I used to think death was the best off hand for the 100% deadly strike and crushing blows, but lawbringer is another tier. If you play /players8 you would understand when paired with a grief
I'd put Spirit at #1 personally just cause it's super cheap and has a bunch of great stats. Plus you could run a Spirit Sword and a Spirit Shield for up to 70 FCR just for 2 Tal, 2 Thul, 2 Ort and 2 Amn.
Prudence is actually pretty good because of its self-repair mod, which coupled with its +170% ED makes it THE highest defense runeword a character (read: not merc) can wear. Silence in a phase blade could be pretty good for a trapsin since they use IAS frames instead of FCR ones for laying traps. Edit: that final "like and subscribe" was really heartfelt lol
@@coffeebeangood1538 That's true, but those can be pretty hard to come by, especially in single player, and Silence also has +75 all res (which is a lot), +20% FHR and 30% MF. I guess it depends on which one you find/can make first.
Voice of Reason seems pretty underrated IMO (especially since it has cannot be frozen and is fairly cheap) - great for the frenzy barb that is leveling and hasn't found raven frost
haha I always love using Bone on any Necro when I can't effort Enigma and don't need the fcr from Viper. For me the 30 prisma, 2 skills and tons of mana is worth the 2 Ums which are often used solely for the res anyways. And the Bone Armor proc is actually amazing. If you have less than +9 skills, the procced armor will be better than your own Bone Armor since synergies also work on procs. For me it's a solid mid-tier rune word ^^
Amazing list man! My only one that I'd change would be Leaf to S but with your rating all of them and overall use I'd agree to probably put in high A so hats off! Some others I'm not too sure about but the whole S, A and B tier are close to me agreeing 100%. Edit: Also get Ancient's Pledge out of S tier! xD
Enigma should be at the top of S tier, most build enabling and strongest rune word in the game. Very puzzled that you chose Grief. Very few builds that even use Grief.
So Dragon is actually D tier and you can't effectively use it, you would have to remove 1 Dream to get 14+14, and it simply scales poorly. 2 Dreams with synergy is 1-7000, or 3500 average 2 Dragons with synergy is 1200-1300, or 1250 average. If you use it with 1 dream, you get another 1200 average, but you will need 20 more skill points to resist aura. 2 Dragons + Holy fire weapon, is 3100 average, which is still below 2 Dreams. In this case you also using an inferior weapon. No matter how you twist it, or even if you run holy shock as main aura (which is not ideal because you not getting full power conviction), you always going to miss out on something good if you play Dragon, it's 2 HRs to handicap yourself. For Other characters: 1 Dragon = 80 damage, 2 dragons = 230 damage, 2 Dragons + weapon = about 560 = In other words it does nothing For Passion Sorc: Not a thing. No dual elemental compared to Dreams, damage is at least 4 times lower.
mainly agree except for gloom, ebugged gloom is my favorite merc armor when i'm playing a barb, crazy defense buffed by shout + ctc dim vision is a game changer, decent midgame armor for any char with defence multipliers (pali, barb, even sorc)
Please do a video on which items we should be looking for to trade or which things have significant value. Obviously the S tier items but its difficult to know where the cut off is. I would hate to toss something that isn't relevant to my character to find out later I could have traded it for like a high rune of something
I'd love to have seen you actually pull up Harmony. It felt like you realized you had no idea how it ended up in C tier anyway and something went wrong, but kinda glossed over it. I can't look at its stats, the runes it asks for, and comprehend how it doesn't fucking slap Nightmare difficulty silly for a single Ko. Or how it doesn't shank Melody in the kidneys and leaves it to bleed in a back alley.
Lawbringer+grief is S tier on a frenzy barb. I only play /players8 and it literally lets me 3 shot undeads. The aura also knocks back entities undead stun locking the mana drain undead in CS preventing them from attacking. The knockback also ensures that your swings are concentrated on 1 person.
@@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517 The reason lawbringer is S tier is because it reduces the physical resistance of undead by 100%, meaning it's the equivalent of having amplify damage on. Most enemies in hell chaos sanctuary have 33% or 50% physical damage reduction. When paired with grief, which has ignore target defense, you are constantly hitting undead 95% of the time for MAX damage. This lets you decimate undead which make up 3/4 of the enemies in chaos sanctuary. The only demons are the venom lords, which get decrepified by lawbringer allowing your grief to melt through them as well. It's also useful in act5 as it lets you nearly 2 shot the souls. The massive damage you're dealing to undead also means your life steal is greater, making you unkillable as long as you're swinging frenzy.
this isn't related to the video, but ive been magic finding on a new grail sorc, and i just got my first pretty gg drop being my first shako. It rolled eth... bro
In my opinion Lionheart belongs to A-Tier. A lot of life via stats and the 50 life , decent resistances and some ed for a fal as highest rune is one of the best low-budget-options for any melee character.
Hello hello! Long time lurker. Just wanted to say thank you for making these videos. I'm handing them to mates cos you explain this so much better than I do 😂. I'm a bliz sorc with doom /spirit and my merc has infin and Fort. I've played on Asia server for the last 20 years and have a thought. If servers are merging, would you like to know the Korean words for things? It helps trust me 😂
I don't think Llama ever used Malice (lets just say its the best runeword for HC ;] ). Ide say also that spirit, hoto, cta and infi are more important then enigma. Fortitude isn't that important and some ppl argue that treachery is better in slot armor. Beast, dream, chaos and rift are build enablers, and should be higher. Also Harmony - but don't ask which build it enables (i will never tell :ppp). Silence is way too high for what it gives vs its cost. Prudence should be higher - you can craft it in ethereal armors.
Made a wealth over the weekend and found skullders 2 runs later. Its been a painful return to D2. 1000 hell meph with 520 mf and zero shakos 🥲. Also 1000 LK runs and just 1 sur rune, ill never get an enigma
are you solo self found? bnet? 520 for meph is overkill imo. and diminished returns hit MF hard. 250 is plenty for meph imo. and still not as good as 125 8 player nih
enigma, call to arms and infinity are my top 3. and bone in d tier and wind not dead last? lol wat??? and myth is just very useful for warcry buffing. that alone should put it in b tier already since barbs are essential in early ladder play and even throughout the season in hardcore (many hc dudes don't wanna teleport thru the wsk without barb bo). not to mention ppl make dedicated bo barbs for ut runs in groups as well.
I don't think myth gets B tier at all. It's pretty trash. Wind and Bone are also pretty lame and not worth their cost but +skills on those chars can be more beneficial than on a barb (unless purely for BO but wasn't really considering that as a great time for a Barb. More thinking PvM for the person)
@@MrLlamaSC i agree with wind that's why i meant it should be the lowest runeword given its cost and crap stats. bone with +2 skills and 30 @ for two ums is pretty neat. and the bo barbs are meant as secondary characters played by the same person. not one guy doing nothing but bo'ing everyone lol though this might become obsolete if d2r doesn't allow multiple logins from the same account at the same time.
Stealth and Ancient's pledge do not deserve their position in S tier and a whole lot of others too. I would only include in S tier something that is a little broken basically.
Bramble is A tier, Beast is S tier being amazing for both minion and melee builds, Hand of justice A tier as it can be used with legendary mallet for excellent damage, Destruction B tier because volcanoes are fun. Ancient pledge B tier, Hoto A tier. Good call on Obedience it can make a great whirlwind weapon for barb as well as merc. Principle is a solid A tier, 150 life 2 skills some damage and resist, its better than a lot of armours for a paladin
Nice list but I think Last Wish is D tier and Edge is top B or low A tier considering their cost and function (edge is cheap and unparalleled? Last wish is ludicrously expensive and worse than grief in practice) but that's just an opinion. A game opinion.
Eternity is actually a very nice merc weapon runeword. Decent ED%/Life leach/cannot be frozen/slow target/crushing blow, it has all useful affixes that a merc needs. Yes it needs a Ber so it's a bit expensive, but definitely much better than Destruction. Also, Last Wish is just a joke and a total waste of FGs. For 3 Jahs, 1 Ber and a Sur, you don't even get indestructible and any IAS. Literally no one will ever use it. I'd put it in low C or maybe D
Last Wish is literally just a swag weapon if you're just absurdly rich or duping. For the runes involved you can already make one Enigma and trade the 3rd Jah for a 2nd Ber and make another Enigma. You still have a Sur and a Mal left over so you could then trade the Sur for a Lo and Ohm (might take some effort; it's been forever since I played ladder so I'm going on memory for rune trade values) and then you have Grief and the Ohm for your CtA. So yeah, C or D tier in reality.
Bone is pretty much best in slot (on a budget) for a psn nova necro before enigma. You don't need fcr, but you need +skills and res. And the bone armor procc isn't bad.
MASSIVELY underrating Wrath here. Have you actually tried it out? The % damage to undead/demons is more than enough. Coupled with permanent decrep, crushing blow and cannot be frozen, it's actually quite good. Yeah the attack speed is the only issue though.
Wrath costs a ber rune that’s the problem. Ber will be HEAVILY sought after to make enigmas and infinity. You’re better off making faith. Ignore target defense, aura, and 330% ED.
Harmony C tier and Lawbringer B tier. One speeds up entire party and can be used by act1 merc. Lawbringer Is must have for piercing physical immune targets.
I mostly disagree with 3 runewords. Last wish should be A tier max. It doesn't belong in S tier even if you don't look at the investment... Lawbringer should be tier A or S. Super cheap and so strong and useful. It's also strong on few melee build but where I like to use it is with the act 5 merc. I often prefer that to reaper's tool. Crescent moon should also be tier A or S. -35 light res is just too strong and static field and other stats on it is very useful. Also sooooooo cheap.
Prudence in an ethereal +15% ed Archon Plate is a pretty good armor. A bit like Smoke but with a lot more defense. I have it on my uber smiter and tbh it deserves a spot in A tier 👍🏻
I think Sanctuary is in my S tier. Tho it's a late game shield, having one around and as a hand me down after you get it really just makes it superior to Ancient's pledge (as long as it has significantly higher all res.)
I think he's way too hard on the armors. Bone has honestly some really good adds, and Myth has decent procs with a really low cost. To get a better +2 skill armor is usually going to be pretty expensive. And the runes are pretty low. Compare that to venom, which is just 100% guaranteed to be a waste of a mal in every circumstance, or wind which is a waste of a sur.
I'm a melee main who's had grief, botd, lw, and death and I hate last wish. you want life tap, get dracs, want might, get the merc, want CB, get death and get DS as well, want fade... think my point is that it doesn't have a stand out use that makes grief botd or death so useful or synergistic with other gear, especially THE helm and boots every melee uses. edits: for its cost and what you get B Tier at best, I'd put it F tbh. if you can afford last wish you don't need last wish
Will there be any way to look up runewords in game in d2r? It always feels weird when you have to look online to find runeword info. It would be nice if there were some sort of reference in game.
I dunno, that is a really low cost for entry on the +2 barb skills. I mean, you can find the runes for that thing in 10 minutes and not even want to pick them up.
I like the video but I wish you went into the stats of each one like you do with the unique weapons. It’s hard to tell what you’re talking about personally never having made most of these
Wrath looks interesting to me for a multishot maybe ? 30 chance to decrepify + light and magic dmg should help with phys immunes, crushing blow and cannot be frozen can maybe free up another slot ?
For unique weapons I will be showing stats of every item. I heard the feedback from you all, but not until this round of tierlists had already been made. Next ones will improve!
Pretty please do THIS video again with every runeword broken down thoroughly.
Don't know how you can put stealth as S tier and Smoke not, it may be better for speedrunning but for general all around cost effectiveness Smoke is probably the best melee orientated runeword in the entire game and one of if not the best armour pre high rune costs with the exception of shaftstop and guardian angel.
50% all resist for the cost of a lum rune at a time where most classes are struggling to cap resists puts it way, way higher than what is effectively 20% runwalk from stealth.
The rest of the list is fairly accurate, although delerium's downside doesn't match the benefits and I think insight should have made it their somewhere for it's early-mid game usefulness.
Thanks for the content! I'm truly happy for you with all the attention D2 is getting and will get
@@FunFunFun120 but this list isn’t purely about melee oriented statistics or benefits lol, I love how you reduce stealth to ‘what is effectively 20% faster run walk’ when it’s 25% FASTER CAST RATE, 25% FASTER HIT RECOVERY, & 25% Faster Run/Walk’
Yes, Smoke is dope as hell for the cost I agree, but ignoring 25% FCR + 25% FHR on an Armor that costs Tal + Eth is hilarious
You really should consider going over these tier lists again but do so with more in depth analysis of each item, specifically this Runeword video in particular. As a Diablo 2 veteran I can understand why you put most of these Runewords inside of the tiers you did and what those Runewords are useful for but isn't the purpose of these tier list videos to also help educate new players who are coming in to Diablo 2 now or going to be playing Diablo 2: Resurrected for the first time?
I don't think anyone would complain if the videos were an hour long or longer especially if the video has timestamps for each item or for these larger lists if you break down some of the tiers in to separate videos, if education is part of the purpose of these lists new players need more information as to why things are good, what those things do for you and how they affect your gameplay.
Appreciate the videos though, I hadn't played Diablo 2 for several years (Since 1.12, I believe) so your Guided Playthrough videos/streams helped refresh my memory and even taught me some cool things I never knew. Thanks :)
02:30 Ancient's Pledge
03:56 Beast
05:03 Black
15:09 Bone
08:09 Bramble
10:29 Brand
03:01 Breath of the Dying
01:30 Call to Arms
02:07 Chains of Honor
06:44 Chaos
08:39 Crescent Moon
03:49 Death
07:04 Delirium
12:04 Destruction
06:13 Doom
08:42 Dragon
04:53 Dream
05:57 Duress
09:35 Edge
01:00 Enigma
13:43 Enlightenment
11:56 Eternity
03:17 Exile
01:55 Faith
07:11 Famine
01:32 Fortitude
10:57 Fury
12:45 Gloom
00:55 Grief
11:46 Hand of Justice
12:34 Harmony
02:00 Heart of the Oak
11:25 Holy Thunder
06:46 Honor
05:24 Ice
01:39 Infinity
01:44 Insight
11:40 King's Grace
07:28 Kingslayer
03:29 Last Wish
07:59 Lawbringer
05:41 Leaf
08:55 Lionheart
04:12 Lore
09:00 Malice
10:36 Melody
06:33 Memory
16:05 Myth
09:43 Nadir
05:51 Oath
02:46 Obedience
10:26 Passion
09:40 Peace
06:57 Phoenix
04:57 Pride
13:33 Principle
10:00 Prudence
14:03 Radiance
12:47 Rain
04:24 Rhyme
11:33 Rift
06:29 Sanctuary
07:47 Silence
05:36 Smoke
01:28 Spirit
11:50 Splendor
01:47 Stealth
09:51 Steel
09:31 Stone
09:24 Strength
02:21 Treachery
14:56 Venom
12:03 Voice of Reason
11:21 Wealth
05:13 White
14:48 Wind
14:27 Wrath
08:35 Zephyr
A year later, this has been a helpful post. Thank you.
I understand it would take a while to show every item but showing them for a second would add a lot of value to the tier lists. I watch all the videos on a secondary screen and it's much easier if I can simply pause it for a bit to see the goodies.
Great content!
Dont know why Lama is so lazy in this Tier lists
totally agree with you.
These videos would be so much cooler if he would have done that. Clearly it takes time, but these videos could have been much more useful for so many people.
@@dominikbrowni47 Easier to spam youtube videos
@@henrik3141 All he had to do is insert a picture of the item stats, so we can pause if needed.
Would you ever consider making a merchant/shopping guide? There seem to be a lot of worthwhile items you can get from the various merchants on different difficulties. Appreciate all the content!
Not seeing the items makes this list very hard to actually understand. Some indication on what the runeword is for would also be awsome (like melee, ranged, sorc BIS, merc only etc.)
You kids and your runewords. Back in my day we had to manually repair all our slots there was no repair all button!
or a stash
And we had to go outside and drive 30 minutes one way on crappy roads to find a store that sold a box with a cd in it that we had to put into a slot that sounded like a jumbo jet taking off and took forever to install the game. Then if we wanted to play on the online, we had to dial a number on the computer and wait for it to connect while it made more loud, obnoxious noises, then once we got connected we had to download a patch that took all day on our 56k. THEN once we finally got to play for a few minutes, our older sister needed to use the phone to talk to her brain damaged bff or b/f all night. So, single player it was.
Your walk to and from school must have SUCKED!
We did have the advantage of our potions working instantly, to be fair.
I honestly think that Spirit/Insight/Stealth are more OP than Enigma is. People can cry all they want about Enigma but you can't beat those stats you get for the price of dirt. Grief on the other hand.......
The amount of content you have been uploading is just mind blowing. I have so many videos to watch when i go for D2R... hell, watching them nowadays already, dont stop!
There have been a lot of videos, but they were pretty quickly done, and some of the comments had me scratching my head.
Oath is actually a busted runeword. It just gets overshadowed by things like Grief and Last Wish because D2 has been so end-game focused over the years. Oath delivers an absurd amount of DPS for the price of a Mal. It is my go to when I'm first working on a melee character before getting Grief.
EDIT: I should mention that it is arguably harder to find a decent Eth base than the Mal. Though since it is cheap you can throw it in whatever and later make another one.
Oath is good. Death is a bit better. You can achieve 100% deadly strike and crushing blows with death. Dual Oath is budget build
@@robbytherob death is more pricey with vex though, i also prefer oath until i can afford grief on melee :)
oath is way better than death lol cheaper, eth 340ed and 50ias? i never would use death over oath, and now in d2r even you can not wsb it
Oath is sleeper OP for summon necro. With will o the wisp ring you can summon the level 17 spirit and then remove the weapon completely and it won't despawn. Then throw on your beast and telestomp bosses to death so fast you will wonder if you accidentally made a normal difficulty game.
My SP/SSF conc barb uses eth Oath highland blade and destroys P8 Hell.
Runewords that I would place higher:
Peace: Ridiculously good on an amazon because 1 real point in Valkyrie allows the level 15 valk procced by this to stay alive indefinitely. So it's like having +14 to valk on this armour.
Prudence: Self-repair means you can make this in an ebugged armour and wear it yourself.
Lawbringer: Often finds its way onto a windy druid, since almost all the immunes that give this build a hard time are undead.
Harmony: It's scandalous that this got rated lower than Melody. Good +damage%, vigor aura, flat damage, elemental damage, valkyrie, small army of revived minions... what else do you want?
FACTS. Obedience is ridiculously good for the cost.
Yep. Only thing that makes melee enjoyable when you are dirt poor.
Plus you can hang out with your A2mercs bros.
Combo with fortitude for good measure.
Would love a guide on runeword bases to look out for. Half the time I don’t know if I’m just keeping junk or what’s best for what
I made an infamous Storm Bear with ‘Rain’ armor back in day. It ran Stormlash ctc tornado and Carrion ring and Rain ctc twisters and recast Cyclone. I put 75 points in wind and maxed Maul, and also used highlords, dracs, and SS. It was so much fun, I still have old vids of it on my channel I think from ‘08 using it.
Just shows even D tier can find a niche
Man bone is amazing when you don't have access to enigma and are forced to run around as a necro. The constant proc of the bonearmor with synergies absorb like 700 DMG and keeps you alive so much more than any other armor for necro. It's even possible to make an unkillable necro utilizing this armor. It deserves recognition. 2 ums isnt expensive nor is it something you have right of the bat. But it should definitely be considered as a mid tier armor. Only to be replaced by enigma
It's worse than Vipermagi and Stealth when you need it for the FCR breakpoint and worse than Wealth and Skullders for magic find purposes. By the time you're at max synergies for the bone armor, those items should be very easily available (besides necros can run around naked in most areas without getting hit by physical damage at all)
Well, it works on a meele necro with maybe summoner skills. Outside enigma, it's the best!
I think voice of reason should be reconsidered at a higher tier. You dismissed it because it doesn't have improved attack speed in this video, but it doesn't need improved attack speed on a phase blade zealot the breakpoints are only 13 ias to get 5 frame zeals / 4.16 attacks per second which is essentially "anything" , or only 72 IAS for 4 frame zeals / 5.2 attacks per second. It works well synergized with a conviction aura or maybe even ideally a dual dream tesladin At least for that build it's on-par with any of the high rune weapons, at mid-rune price, now you can argue that dual dreams itself is expensive, but you don't actually "need" the dual dreams to make it work, it just happens to be the end-game ideal setup. The weapon works great even at low levels of gear, such as first breaking into hell. By going with voice of reason you're saving yourself the money of having to buy either grief or infinity, which makes the dual dreams that much easier to swallow. And while you don't then have the lifeleach of the high physical tesladin build with grief, you kind of don't need it because of all the crowd control you get from the frozen orbs.
It is like rift, except for paladins instead of assassins.
Just a suggestion: I think for most people it would have added a lot of value to see the item when you hove over the runewords. The words you used to introduce them were enough but a visual aid would help a lot.
I need a scrabble letter/word search for runewords!!! Put in the runes you have, and it tells you know what complete or partial runewords you can make!!
Kept rerolling oath in a 15sup eth small crescent until I got one with 352% ed.
Slaps pretty hard in mid lvl duels.
So hyped for release
My hope for Change/re-balance:
- basic loot filter
- see ilvl
- remove basics keys
- only one Low Quality item - not "Low Quality, Cracked, Crude and Damaged"
- Last Wish Rune Word - remove "Hit Blinds Target" it overwrite Life Tap
- Make so "Paladin Smite" does work with Life Steal and Mana Steal
- Make so "Paladin Resist Fire, Cold and Lightning" display the hidden bonus to maximum resist
- Make so "Assassin Venom" does not cap poisoning duration at 0.4 from other items
- Make so "Assassin Fade" does not affects Shrines + display the hidden bonus to Physical Resistance
- Make so "Druid Raven" gains 1 additional Raven for each 5 lvl after lvl 5
- Make so "Necromancer Poison Dagger" is Poison Attack - all weapons not only dagger
Lawbringer is so underrated. Very high chance to cast decrepefy, which is S tier spell of the game. You said this Llama.
I agree it's sooo great to pair with Grief for frenzy barb on a budget until another grief is made.
A lot of those lower tiered RWs have specific use cases. Bone is excellent for summon necro if enigma is out of reach. Rain is also great for a windy with no enigma. Those builds are highly +skills dependent, and in SP/SSF situations those RWs can be invaluable.
Yeah, he was a bit harsh on these armors. A lot of them aren't bad. At least Bone has ALL resistances and a nice mana boost. It costs 2 Um runes, but they have been dropping pretty consistently for me. Peace, Treachery and Rain are all decent. Now, Myth is definitely pretty lousy. No life, mana or any extra resistances. The nice thing about most of these armors is that they are the easiest way to get +2 skills on an armor early in the game. Enigma, CoH and Arkaine's Valor are NOT easily obtainable in the early game.
@@kriswempa5171 I agree that Myth is pretty useless, since most barb builds are not very +skills dependent, and it doesn't do anything else of value. Lionheart or Duress are my goto budget barb armors.
Peace on a amazon is super OP and cheap early on, just one point in valk gives you a lvl 15 valk (stays permanently if you have at least 1 point in valk) that doesn't vanish in 2 seconds like when you're playing a different class.
Now I want to make a Bowazon with valk
@@yanniblumstein1 I feel like Barb's and bowazon's are the 2 most gear dependent classes. Like, they range from straight trash/unplayable to godlike if they get really good drops early.
@@bobby45825 Bowazon is never godly even with the best possible gears on unfortunately lol. With a single Infinity, Javazon is much better than Bowazon in every possible aspect (AOE damage, single target damage, survivability etc)
To get to Valk, you need to put points in Dodge/Avoid/Evade though, which is kind of a very bad decision XD
@@Cleav3r It's for leveling bro.... No one is using Peace as an end game armor lol. The Valk simply tanks NM & Hell for you so you don't have to kite. Also don't be a sheep, those dodge skills have tons of utility especially for a bow zon who can't block. Bow zons can be great in PvP and are a lot of fun playing through the game, you don't need to only make godly builds to have fun.
I’d love to see a video about mercenaries. Specifically, best ways to level them, best type of mercs for builds, and are the stats a lot better for normal act 1 mercs compared to nm/hell at same level.
I spent the whole video wondering why Bone was in D tier, until I realised I was thinking of White
Funny thing about the runeword fury. Back in 1.09 we got our hands in an eth bugged Balrog blade which we used to make fury in and duped it, and it was the best weapon for Barb vs Barb.
Have to disagree with Gloom ranking. Throw it on a merc for res. Dim vision is basically just a total CC for any ranged/casters, and if you know how to move your merc, the melee monsters also.
My S tier
Enigma (changes the game for all non sorc characters, so op it is BIS even for sorcs), Infinity (Every elemental build becomes amazing and there are a lot of such builds they outnumber melee builds), CTA (hardcore characters or those low in mana generally), Spirit (sword is A tier but shield is BIS casters), Insight (not as amazing as it used to be). Grief (best melee weapon),
did you really put Bone runeword in the last tier? I can tell you've never even tried using it on an endgame necro - the auto bone armor recast (which still gets buffed from your bone armor synergies) often when you get hit makes him practically immune to physical damage, because it usually takes more mob hits to deplete the entire bone armor than it takes for the armor to be recasted.
That's fair! the recast bone armor seems nice but it's very lacking overall imo. Would much rather run something like vmagi
It’s good for summon necros since fcr is not a huge deal. The problem is that summon necros don’t get hit often. You’re basically using it for the res. Might be good for an early ubers kill with a summoner
@@robbytherob oh i was saying in the context of a bone necro without decrepify (to put more skills into bone and only use amp dmg to boost CE dmg) which means mobs get to you a lot and i can tell you Bone runeword literally makes me almost immune to phys dmg even in chaos sanctuary, its insane how useful that auto bone armor recast can be! Like thanks to it i dont even need to use a merc at all and still blow through CS in 2 mins
White was the first rune word I tried back when and remains my favorite.
White is as good as the base you make it in. Just like leaf. +3 lower res, +3 bone spear, or +3 raise skeleton ideal
@@robbytherob id say this is true of most if not all runewords...
@@jerometruitt2731 well the base for most runewords just needs to be superior for +15% ed. Getting a wand or staff to roll a certain +skill is so rare.
You forgot one! What tier does IO DOL go into? 😲
May we get a video talking about the tunewords more indepth? I suggest doing s tier, a tier, etc. I want the a/b to know what's worth playing with before getting the op stuff
I would rate "Steel" bit higher, because it's very easy to make in late act1 - early act 2, considering it's easy to get 2 socket weapon and Tir+El rune, and it gives you +2 mana per kill which pretty much fixes mana issue for melee characters early game.
It's not crazy or OP, but it's super easy to make and you can do it at lvl 13 I think.
That and"Stealth" are pretty much go-to if you are Paladin or Barb.
Hot take: Lawbringer is high A / low S tier. Using on an a5 merc for a wind druid is best in slot but also VERY good on any physical based char outside of necro or barb with zerk.
So the way sanctuary aura works is unique in that it works different than how it reads. It doesn't actually give you enhanced damage vs undead but it Lowes all undeads physical resistance down x% effectively setting it to 0 along with knocking back undead. And then it procs decrepify on hit which is slows everything heavily which is amazing for bosses and lowers phys resist an additional 50%.
So looking at let's say a wind druid fully geared you have 7k tornados. But in hell difficulty many monsters will have about 50% DMG res so you do like 3.5k avg and 0 DMG vs phys immune outside of hurricane. With Lawbringer merc with decrep that puts it down to 0 so your damage is doubled back at 7k and can break immunity like with infinity. But let's say a heavy undead area like chaos (66% undead) now most those monsters will be taking full DMG including phys immunes and and with a decrep proc they will take 150% so 11.5k instead of 3.5k or 0 for immune undead.
Or the whole ghost class of monster which is phys immune in hell diff and would be immune to tornados or physical attacks now take full damage or 150% of full damage. So again with a whole class of monsters you commonly would run into on hell countess, hell arcane(key runs), wordstone or anywhere in a3 gos from being immune to most your damage to being one shot by you. Oh and on top of that you also knockback all undead every few seconds which is actually hugely useful vs a lot of the most dangerous enemies in the game such as burning souls dolls and chaos knights.
So TLDR is : neuters bosses, huge damage boost to physical on decrep proc, constant huge damage boost and complete immunity removal on all undead and great crowd control against many of the most deadly monsters in the game. All from very easily farmable runes.
Voice Of Reason is underappreciated 😞 it's my go to against physical immunes as it has everything it needs to handle them. It was particularly useful on my smiter as the lack of ED didn't matter. And to top it off, it also gave Cannot Be Frozen which let me replace my Rhyme.
The fact peace effectively means +skills adds deadly strike makes me think it is a little undervalued.
I'd move Chains of Honor, Exile, Breath of the Dying and Last Wish down to A tier. They're all sub-par for their resource cost. Probably Obedience as well because it's a pretty niche item.
And also move Edge up to A tier because gambling is much more widely used than stuff like Ice or pre-buff Memory.
And also move Phoenix down to F tier :)
I'd say that all of the class specific runeword armours should be A tier. They're generally easier to get than SotVM. The extra skill levels and res are great for the mid game.
Loved the burp ending "Oh yeah and... like and subscribe!"
Stone is fantastic for Mercs and honestly the best Armor you can wear until you get your end game armor, you recover sooooo quickly. It is the best armor for Merc, sorry, it just is, if you watch when your merc dies it's in hit recovery. This armor allows him to continue leeching. And Treachery, I know you can do a port him to you trick to get him Faded, but it does not get the HUGE defense bonus. An Ethereal Sacred armor on a Defiance merc gets him close to 5% chance to be hit, and with Mercs getting their resistances capped by level, it's really only hit recovery that can stop him, Fade doesn't add very much since in Stone he's almost never getting hit anyway.
Wrath feels like it would be super good if it wasn’t stuck in bows. The life tap proc and the 20% cb seems like it’s tailor made for ubers.
I genuinely think that Grief, Enigma, and Spirit are *so* far above everything else that they deserved their own tier. CTA and Infinity are right below that, maybe on par. Basically, gamebreaking runewords deserve their own tier.
Spirit isn’t that game breaking. Just solid stats for cheap cost. I think something like infinity is the most game breaking runeword. It let’s you break immunities and drastically increase dps.
@@robbytherob Spirit is ridiculous for the same reason as Grief. It basically invalidates any other off-hand options like Grief does for weapons. It's not quite as bad, but it's close.
If you don’t think Infinity is game-breaking you’ve never used Infinity
Fury is also the best in slot second weapon for whirlwind assassins in pvp. The open wounds and deadly strike are huge. It's expensive and niche but really amazing in that niche.
I would say the top spot is a toss up between Call To Arms (gets my vote) and Spirit. Both have a hugely transformative effect for when you get them, i play hardcore so CTA gives me that cushion in general Chaos sanctuary is blitzed in no time and let's face it Ubers and CTA. Any new diablo player should start with a sorc (because of teleport - most powerful skill in the game - makes MF boss running infinitely more effective) get spirit and the objective should be to get Call To Arms using all sales, runes to get it ASAP.
Hey Mr Llama, would you consider a video for newer or returning players about Which kinds of bases you'd put the runewords in during a ssf run? It's one thing to know that the runeword is good, but another to know whether X base is worth using the runeword on? Thanks.
Death is very base sensitive, but if you can make up for its lack of IAS, it's a solid S. Example: Fury druid, Death 2h axe, 20k damage per hit at 5 fpa with 100% deadly strike, 100% crushing blow.
Lawbringer+grief for frenzy barb is OP. Lawbringer must be S tier.
Or Pitzerker
dual swap weapon
Yes lawbringer is OP. I tested every single weapon as an OH and the clear times for /players8 is broken with lawbringer. Not to mention the lvl 15 decripify proc at 20% let’s you down venom lords instantly. I used to think death was the best off hand for the 100% deadly strike and crushing blows, but lawbringer is another tier. If you play /players8 you would understand when paired with a grief
Lawbringer is godly for kick&trap hybrid.
@@robbytherob never thought of Lawbringer before. Will try it
I'd put Spirit at #1 personally just cause it's super cheap and has a bunch of great stats. Plus you could run a Spirit Sword and a Spirit Shield for up to 70 FCR just for 2 Tal, 2 Thul, 2 Ort and 2 Amn.
Prudence is actually pretty good because of its self-repair mod, which coupled with its +170% ED makes it THE highest defense runeword a character (read: not merc) can wear.
Silence in a phase blade could be pretty good for a trapsin since they use IAS frames instead of FCR ones for laying traps.
Edit: that final "like and subscribe" was really heartfelt lol
Problem is that if you are running a trapsin, silence is competing with +4/+5 to traps options that have same ias and can spawn with sockets etc.
@@coffeebeangood1538 That's true, but those can be pretty hard to come by, especially in single player, and Silence also has +75 all res (which is a lot), +20% FHR and 30% MF. I guess it depends on which one you find/can make first.
Lawbringer and Oath are amazing for the cost.
Voice of Reason seems pretty underrated IMO (especially since it has cannot be frozen and is fairly cheap) - great for the frenzy barb that is leveling and hasn't found raven frost
haha I always love using Bone on any Necro when I can't effort Enigma and don't need the fcr from Viper. For me the 30 prisma, 2 skills and tons of mana is worth the 2 Ums which are often used solely for the res anyways. And the Bone Armor proc is actually amazing. If you have less than +9 skills, the procced armor will be better than your own Bone Armor since synergies also work on procs. For me it's a solid mid-tier rune word ^^
this. bone is very useful when you dont have enigma and its better than vipermagi if summoner
Amazing list man! My only one that I'd change would be Leaf to S but with your rating all of them and overall use I'd agree to probably put in high A so hats off! Some others I'm not too sure about but the whole S, A and B tier are close to me agreeing 100%.
Edit: Also get Ancient's Pledge out of S tier! xD
Enigma should be at the top of S tier, most build enabling and strongest rune word in the game. Very puzzled that you chose Grief. Very few builds that even use Grief.
Grief cost 1 Lo, enigma costs 12 Lo
So Dragon is actually D tier and you can't effectively use it, you would have to remove 1 Dream to get 14+14, and it simply scales poorly.
2 Dreams with synergy is 1-7000, or 3500 average
2 Dragons with synergy is 1200-1300, or 1250 average. If you use it with 1 dream, you get another 1200 average, but you will need 20 more skill points to resist aura.
2 Dragons + Holy fire weapon, is 3100 average, which is still below 2 Dreams. In this case you also using an inferior weapon.
No matter how you twist it, or even if you run holy shock as main aura (which is not ideal because you not getting full power conviction), you always going to miss out on something good if you play Dragon, it's 2 HRs to handicap yourself.
For Other characters:
1 Dragon = 80 damage, 2 dragons = 230 damage, 2 Dragons + weapon = about 560 = In other words it does nothing
For Passion Sorc:
Not a thing. No dual elemental compared to Dreams, damage is at least 4 times lower.
Harmony totes deserves to be higher. Its not a bad runeword, it has its uses mid game. Also its nice for a merc if you want the vigor aura.
mainly agree except for gloom, ebugged gloom is my favorite merc armor when i'm playing a barb, crazy defense buffed by shout + ctc dim vision is a game changer, decent midgame armor for any char with defence multipliers (pali, barb, even sorc)
Harmony is a good budget bow for a physical bowazon. Depending on some gear things and your merc , you can beat act 5 hell with it.
Please do a video on which items we should be looking for to trade or which things have significant value. Obviously the S tier items but its difficult to know where the cut off is. I would hate to toss something that isn't relevant to my character to find out later I could have traded it for like a high rune of something
I agreed pretty much across the board, just felt Lawbringer could be a bit higher. It really does save melee characters vs physical immunes / undead.
I'd love to have seen you actually pull up Harmony. It felt like you realized you had no idea how it ended up in C tier anyway and something went wrong, but kinda glossed over it. I can't look at its stats, the runes it asks for, and comprehend how it doesn't fucking slap Nightmare difficulty silly for a single Ko. Or how it doesn't shank Melody in the kidneys and leaves it to bleed in a back alley.
Harmony is easily the best missile runeword for price. Can comfortably solo all of hell with my strafe/Freezing Arrow Amazon.
Lawbringer+grief is S tier on a frenzy barb. I only play /players8 and it literally lets me 3 shot undeads. The aura also knocks back entities undead stun locking the mana drain undead in CS preventing them from attacking. The knockback also ensures that your swings are concentrated on 1 person.
WW Grief+Grief
Brand on switch for Amplify
Pride Might Merc for Concentration aura
pl8 feels like pl1
@@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517 The reason lawbringer is S tier is because it reduces the physical resistance of undead by 100%, meaning it's the equivalent of having amplify damage on. Most enemies in hell chaos sanctuary have 33% or 50% physical damage reduction. When paired with grief, which has ignore target defense, you are constantly hitting undead 95% of the time for MAX damage. This lets you decimate undead which make up 3/4 of the enemies in chaos sanctuary. The only demons are the venom lords, which get decrepified by lawbringer allowing your grief to melt through them as well. It's also useful in act5 as it lets you nearly 2 shot the souls. The massive damage you're dealing to undead also means your life steal is greater, making you unkillable as long as you're swinging frenzy.
this isn't related to the video, but ive been magic finding on a new grail sorc, and i just got my first pretty gg drop being my first shako. It rolled eth... bro
just zod it mate, problem solved
Have you done a video with what runewords is useful for different classes ?
I had good results using Wrath on the Amazon. Pretty fun group alternative.
In my opinion Lionheart belongs to A-Tier. A lot of life via stats and the 50 life , decent resistances and some ed for a fal as highest rune is one of the best low-budget-options for any melee character.
Stealth and Spirit up where they belong c:
Hello hello! Long time lurker. Just wanted to say thank you for making these videos. I'm handing them to mates cos you explain this so much better than I do 😂. I'm a bliz sorc with doom /spirit and my merc has infin and Fort. I've played on Asia server for the last 20 years and have a thought. If servers are merging, would you like to know the Korean words for things? It helps trust me 😂
Happy to show you my account if you'd like to see 20 years paid off in a perf pvp bliz sorc 🥰
I don't think Llama ever used Malice (lets just say its the best runeword for HC ;] ). Ide say also that spirit, hoto, cta and infi are more important then enigma. Fortitude isn't that important and some ppl argue that treachery is better in slot armor. Beast, dream, chaos and rift are build enablers, and should be higher. Also Harmony - but don't ask which build it enables (i will never tell :ppp). Silence is way too high for what it gives vs its cost. Prudence should be higher - you can craft it in ethereal armors.
Made a wealth over the weekend and found skullders 2 runs later. Its been a painful return to D2. 1000 hell meph with 520 mf and zero shakos 🥲. Also 1000 LK runs and just 1 sur rune, ill never get an enigma
are you solo self found? bnet? 520 for meph is overkill imo. and diminished returns hit MF hard. 250 is plenty for meph imo. and still not as good as 125 8 player nih
You need 10K runs on average to get 10 Sur & 2 Ber.
Aw destruction is so great! I like to use it on my Druid’s merc to proc some fire skills with my windy windy werewolf
Hi guys, just a question, is Smoke a good replacement for Stealth? Or should I go Bone instead? Playing Necro btw. Thanks for your insights. :)
Crescent Moon and Doom are amazing.
enigma, call to arms and infinity are my top 3. and bone in d tier and wind not dead last? lol wat??? and myth is just very useful for warcry buffing. that alone should put it in b tier already since barbs are essential in early ladder play and even throughout the season in hardcore (many hc dudes don't wanna teleport thru the wsk without barb bo). not to mention ppl make dedicated bo barbs for ut runs in groups as well.
I don't think myth gets B tier at all. It's pretty trash. Wind and Bone are also pretty lame and not worth their cost but +skills on those chars can be more beneficial than on a barb (unless purely for BO but wasn't really considering that as a great time for a Barb. More thinking PvM for the person)
@@MrLlamaSC i agree with wind that's why i meant it should be the lowest runeword given its cost and crap stats.
bone with +2 skills and 30 @ for two ums is pretty neat.
and the bo barbs are meant as secondary characters played by the same person. not one guy doing nothing but bo'ing everyone lol
though this might become obsolete if d2r doesn't allow multiple logins from the same account at the same time.
Stealth and Ancient's pledge do not deserve their position in S tier and a whole lot of others too. I would only include in S tier something that is a little broken basically.
I put Edge on a bow for my Merc and i didnt know it put thorns on all my skeletons. I have never killed BAAL so fast.
Bramble is A tier, Beast is S tier being amazing for both minion and melee builds, Hand of justice A tier as it can be used with legendary mallet for excellent damage, Destruction B tier because volcanoes are fun. Ancient pledge B tier, Hoto A tier. Good call on Obedience it can make a great whirlwind weapon for barb as well as merc. Principle is a solid A tier, 150 life 2 skills some damage and resist, its better than a lot of armours for a paladin
Nice list but I think Last Wish is D tier and Edge is top B or low A tier considering their cost and function (edge is cheap and unparalleled? Last wish is ludicrously expensive and worse than grief in practice) but that's just an opinion. A game opinion.
Eternity is actually a very nice merc weapon runeword. Decent ED%/Life leach/cannot be frozen/slow target/crushing blow, it has all useful affixes that a merc needs. Yes it needs a Ber so it's a bit expensive, but definitely much better than Destruction. Also, Last Wish is just a joke and a total waste of FGs. For 3 Jahs, 1 Ber and a Sur, you don't even get indestructible and any IAS. Literally no one will ever use it. I'd put it in low C or maybe D
Last Wish is literally just a swag weapon if you're just absurdly rich or duping. For the runes involved you can already make one Enigma and trade the 3rd Jah for a 2nd Ber and make another Enigma. You still have a Sur and a Mal left over so you could then trade the Sur for a Lo and Ohm (might take some effort; it's been forever since I played ladder so I'm going on memory for rune trade values) and then you have Grief and the Ohm for your CtA.
So yeah, C or D tier in reality.
Bone is pretty much best in slot (on a budget) for a psn nova necro before enigma. You don't need fcr, but you need +skills and res. And the bone armor procc isn't bad.
MASSIVELY underrating Wrath here. Have you actually tried it out? The % damage to undead/demons is more than enough. Coupled with permanent decrep, crushing blow and cannot be frozen, it's actually quite good. Yeah the attack speed is the only issue though.
Wrath costs a ber rune that’s the problem. Ber will be HEAVILY sought after to make enigmas and infinity. You’re better off making faith. Ignore target defense, aura, and 330% ED.
This is a niche bow for Ubers. He has a problem - the amulet of Atma, which dramatically strengthens other bows, is useless to this bow
Harmony C tier and Lawbringer B tier. One speeds up entire party and can be used by act1 merc. Lawbringer Is must have for piercing physical immune targets.
I mostly disagree with 3 runewords.
Last wish should be A tier max. It doesn't belong in S tier even if you don't look at the investment...
Lawbringer should be tier A or S. Super cheap and so strong and useful. It's also strong on few melee build but where I like to use it is with the act 5 merc. I often prefer that to reaper's tool.
Crescent moon should also be tier A or S. -35 light res is just too strong and static field and other stats on it is very useful. Also sooooooo cheap.
I agree 100% with what you said.
What is the point of Ancient's Pledge if you can just slap 3x perfect diamonds on a shield?
Bone Runeword is actually very good with the bone Armor proc if you have all the synergies. You almost have always Bone Armor on. Kinda op
Prudence in an ethereal +15% ed Archon Plate is a pretty good armor. A bit like Smoke but with a lot more defense. I have it on my uber smiter and tbh it deserves a spot in A tier 👍🏻
Did you skip ice? that one looks pretty good
I think Sanctuary is in my S tier. Tho it's a late game shield, having one around and as a hand me down after you get it really just makes it superior to Ancient's pledge (as long as it has significantly higher all res.)
I think he's way too hard on the armors. Bone has honestly some really good adds, and Myth has decent procs with a really low cost. To get a better +2 skill armor is usually going to be pretty expensive. And the runes are pretty low. Compare that to venom, which is just 100% guaranteed to be a waste of a mal in every circumstance, or wind which is a waste of a sur.
Can you make this video again, but in depth?
Yo this needs to be remade now with all the new D2R runewords
I'm a melee main who's had grief, botd, lw, and death and I hate last wish. you want life tap, get dracs, want might, get the merc, want CB, get death and get DS as well, want fade... think my point is that it doesn't have a stand out use that makes grief botd or death so useful or synergistic with other gear, especially THE helm and boots every melee uses.
edits: for its cost and what you get B Tier at best, I'd put it F tbh. if you can afford last wish you don't need last wish
Will there be any way to look up runewords in game in d2r? It always feels weird when you have to look online to find runeword info. It would be nice if there were some sort of reference in game.
"waste of an amn rune" hahaha, rolling at the comments on myth.
I dunno, that is a really low cost for entry on the +2 barb skills. I mean, you can find the runes for that thing in 10 minutes and not even want to pick them up.
maybe we can get an updates version of this one with the new runewords and all the changes like holy fire, etc.
Grief is better than Last wish? Is this just because of price?
I like the video but I wish you went into the stats of each one like you do with the unique weapons. It’s hard to tell what you’re talking about personally never having made most of these
For my Zealot, Chains of Honor is pretty much the only choice 👍👍
he never post pics of the item... HNNNNG, i dont know these items man but youre giving me a great idea for top 10 Runewords videos
Wrath looks interesting to me for a multishot maybe ? 30 chance to decrepify + light and magic dmg should help with phys immunes, crushing blow and cannot be frozen can maybe free up another slot ?
This is a niche bow for Ubers.