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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- I've pulled out all the stops with my labbing and now can present to everyone, very difficult ZZ Combos and LICs.
This will work best at point blank, remember that!
We lab to find advanced hard tech, not the easy stuff. Lets keep deepening the metagame of Smash Ultimate.
TimeStamps:
Double Z input - 1:39
Lagless Item Catch Concept - 4:40
LIC in ZZ Combo Input - 6:15
Songs Used:
Crash Bandicoot 2: Sewer Level - Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy: • Video
Runescape 07 - Xenophobe (Trap Remix): • Runescape 07 - Xenopho...
Y'all know that I stream this stuff right? Follow/Subscribe to me at / lucretio72
Also follow me on Twitter for constant tech updates: / topplayerluu - เกม
This channel really is the hidden gem for Rob mains
Facts
Ain't that the truth!
Not even a rob main yet i'm here... Which makes it even more scary for me
some french boi I assume you can DI in to escape
I hope your assumption is right because goddamn
why did you even watch this then
@@Roller610 If a move sends you into tumble (where you need to tech), you can DI. If the move doesn't and you can act right away, you can't DI. At low percents, nair does send into tumble, but Gyro doesn't, so if you read the DI of the nair, the rest is true until you use another aerial.
As a ROB main in Spain I really appreciate a good ROB "teacher" in TH-cam. I couldn't find any good channel in spanish and in english you're the only one I know! Thanks to you I could learn and improve my ROB a lot in a little bit of time, keep doing this!
I'm glad I could help you!
Un Rob main, que extraño
Eyyy otro rob main aquiiii
i agree!
This is INSANE! I can't believe this doesn't have more views. Truly you put your time in and it shows, amazing work. I'm a Diddy main but R.O.B. might have to be my back-up that I lab if Diddy doesn't get a couple buffs again later, as rob is the better overall character IMO
Your words mean a lot to me, truly! Thank you so much!
That last combo gave me goose bumps. I can't wait to lab this later.
The last combo is literally peak performance... ZZ LIC to Dragdown Upair into Gyro Nair!?!? It's probably the most technical combo i've ever done for ROB
@@Luu343 Makes sense. Its amazing. Makes me glad I picked up ROB when Ultimate came out. I saw the potential of gyro combos but havent been good enough to figure much out. But now that someone sent me to your channel I might be able to learn something! Thanks for all the video man,
78% tho
This is just mind blowing. Just like the way you found always new stuff for this char. Thank you!
Esam just mentioned optimizations for ROB combos in his tier list and so I looked this up. If top players start using these techniques it’ll be crazy. Great video
Imagine Zackray
Damn, I thought I was tripping when I heard the DKS theme from RuneScape start playing. Nice choice of tune.
Damn amazing video man, I already feel a huge increase in skill after implementing some little drop combos.
I’m trying to get better with my rob and learn some tech this channel really helps out a lot! I finally learned how to do most of The Robo bunner boost!
Nice video, nice and calm explanation! Thank you very much.
I appreciate your thanks greatly!
Lucretio you're my fucking god, I searched real R.O.B techs or techniques and lessons litteraly everywhere and couldn't find any, or any good one, but this channel is absolutely incredible, I can now train my R.O.B with videos, just like other more popular characters like Wolf or Link having thousands of combo videos and tutorials
Thank you so much, your channel is awesome and way too underrated !
You just blowed my mind.. off to the lab again boys
this is so sick. lucretio the rob mvp!
:D :D :D :D
Now this is something I can get on board with
That is sooo sick!
Great Video!
I dont think my fingers move fast enough for this...
you are the only cool rob main and I appreciate your existence
As starting out as a ROB main, you are now my go-to ytber for ROB combos. I'm def gonna root for you in smash tournaments if you still compete! You've earned a subscriber, and you deserve way more subs! Good luck on your channel Lucretio!
Thank you for the kind words !
@@Luu343 No problem! Keep up the awesome grind!
that's really cool
I didn't even know you exists, but really you deserve heaven. Sadly I can give you just one like. Already subscribesd
I appreciate the kind words regardless!
Good video
I wish more people made training videos like this
Mad man.
Brilliant
I straight up saw the first lagless combo and said holy shit
and I just mastered the zdrop nair combos, aww shit here we go again
Some god like combos my dude. I imagine the lagless item catch isn’t patched at all by chance? Seems so OP. So I wouldn’t be surprised if it was.
Nope, this is not patched in any way and I don't think it will be because it's not a glitch
Back to the lab again...
Even after all this it's back to the lab again...
Those inputs are so fast ahhhh
You’re like 3rd best in the UK right?
Rob is siiick
Call them ZZZ combos because R.O.B. has me SCHLEEP
My man popped off for this one
Good explanation. It would be great if an expert could explain that bit about why the cstick catch doesn't work if ROB is in front of his opponent. That makes no sense to me!
It took me HOURS just to learn how to c-stick catch loal!
I too want someone to explain more of this phenomenon to me because ultimate's mechanics are just... all over the place v_v
@@Luu343 yeah... this game's mechanics are pretty FUBAR compared to previous smash games
You are like me when it comes to the controls
Switching one of the jump button to grab
Please dont patch... Please dont patch....
Hey person from the future here they did not patch it
@@emareldkidtheboss1095 Thanks person from the past :)
Coming back to this tech: I wanna link this to Tweek so that he might attempt it with his Diddy Banana combos
Doesn't work with banana quite as well as it doesn't have much aerial hitstun... ZZ Combos are not great with Diddy
Im not sure if you will still read this, but at around 5:10 the method has been inconsistent for me, because sometimes when I double jump Z-drop the gyro spawns behind me and I cant catch, But when I short hop its always in front, I was wondering if you ever came across this issue or "glitch" before?
It's not a glitch, ROB twirls in his double jump animation! Just z-drop after the twirl.
@@Luu343 thank you!
4:16 I think palu’s enjoying that a bit too muxh
What button do you mainly use for jump the one above A or next to it?
I personally use X but y'all can use any jump input you want
Is this possible to do with Peach? I’m curious.
Does anyone keep getting air dodges instead of a 2nd z-drop? Am I missing something obvious?
Slowed it down to 2/3 speed where I can get it 9/10 times. For me, I get air dodges because I was holding forward while attempting to either re-drop or re-catch the gyro. If you guys are having the same issue, it might be worth just slowing the speed down to see what's happening. Once you get the muscle memory down, the basic Nair-ZZ at the beginning of Luc's video is pretty simple.
Edit: You can also dash attack into opponent to pick up gyro instead of Nair, and go right into ZZ. I don't know if this is any more or less true, but it may make practicing the first ZZ combo easier.
Jesus rob is... good
I don't speak English, so I used a translation website.
I can catch the second frame if I don't hit the enemy character, but when I try to practise by hitting the character in training mode, I just can't catch the second frame and drop it. Can I press and hold the A button while holding down the second grab button?
You can press and hold the second grab button, and then press the A button. You do NOT need to hold the A button.
When you don't hit the enemy, the catch is easier.
When you hit the enemy, the catch will only happen if you are "spaced" correctly. Many years after this video, we now know why the spacing matters and I need to release a new video explaining it!
@@Luu343 I can't get Lagless Item Catches for the life of me.
It always turns into a ZZ combo and I can't catch it. Do you have any tips or tricks?
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So hard 😆
Hey luu love your vids! I was wondering how drag down up air specifically works. I tried labbing it and couldn't get my opponent to end behind me consistently so my fsmash or gryro toss or whatever option is backwards. Does it just have to do with canceling after the first two hits?
He has a video about drag down up air, but you have to make sure that you're not hitting your last hit with up air and also know that the drag down up air also brings the opponent towards the direction rob is facing. Also, just another note, probably best to up smash after the drag down since it does more damage and it's quicker (maybe).
@@Eklarensie sometimes when I get a 3 hit drag down instead of a 2 hit they end up on my back instead tho dyu know if you have to do the 2 hit?
@@Grungus37 Ohh okay, let me test during the weekends, but if that's the consistent result you got from the drag down then I think we can conclude that it has to be 2 hit or 4 (unless the fourth is the last hit). But one thing, gyro toss shouldn't be a problem than a fsmash since you can use the c-stick and it will throw at the same timing as you throw forward. Like I said before, upsmash is recommended more since the drag down doesn't have any knock back.
@@Eklarensie cool I'll look out for what you find. I did some more testing as well and it may be that it always sends in the direction that corresponds to the side of your opponent that you hit with the first hit. If I crossed up say Mario with my first hit it always sent him backwards but if I started the move on his front and crossed up the second hit it still sent him in front not behind
@@Grungus37 okay, I was able to test stuff, and it seems that your opponent will fly the opposite side of the arm on your last hit. For example, if you cross up and hit with your right arm first but hit the 3rd hit with your left arm then your opponent flies to the right side of Rob. Another example, if you drag down up air starting from your right hand and land your last up air hit with your right then your opponent lands to your left.
This why rob should be top teir
he is super combo food and his recovery is super explotable
@Esper mittens snake isn't as easy to combo as Rob
Rob nair have a lot of startup you can shield it pretty easily so you just have to watch out for nair at 0 so if you know the mu these combos are hard to get
Batry telling the hard cold truth right here. These combos are very hard to start, really have to be sneaky to hit the starters
@Espur mittens i dont think snake is combo food bro, frame 1 option, since both of them get damaged, the trade is usually worth it because most characters are lighter and he will survive longer (the only way he could possibly be combo food is that he is slightly bigger than alot of characters and he is not a fast faller
rob is so cool
Is it possible to do the whole combo showed at 6:20 without using c-stick ?
Too hard to lic with a, after toss z z. Can't do jumptoss z z a :( I end without gyro in hand after the first z z, so i input fair instead of jump toss
@@testygaming6976 Honestly, I suggest using the A button, not c-stick after Z Z.
Z Z A is the best method (just make sure you're slightly holding the second Z just as you press A)
@@Luu343 thanks a lot for answering and for your advice. For now, i fail the lic part, but i'll keep trying and i'll apply your tip. Just in case, i post a short vid about my fail.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your awesome videos.
th-cam.com/video/Q23nYSpA0MM/w-d-xo.html
Is the lagless gyro catch still possible? Seems like I can't Z drop the gyro soon enough after my Nair to catch it before it falls on the ground :(
I probably missed something tho
Yes it's still 100% possible! You're probably doing the sequence too slow..
@@Luu343 yes I think haha
It s tricky
It's when I double jump zdrop Nair catch while holding Z, the gyro drops too late
I love your videos and your tutorials btw, thank you very much!
@@abs22x23 z drop the gyro and nair during your double jump and you'll be definitely high enough!
And thanks a lot!
So you use left trigger then Y?
Yup!
This only works for rob or the gyro?
Nope other projectiles and other characters can ZZLIC, most notably Peach and her turnips!
I seem to still be having some trouble with the last gyro catch with the c stick after the two z drops
I would suggest attempting to do this using the A button instead of the c-stick. The c-stick is harder for the same effect, so just use the A button instead of cstick.
And make sure you're holding shield ever so slightly as you're pressing the A button... but don't hold it forever as you'll land and shield. Release shield as you press A.
@@Luu343 I'm struggling too after the two z drops. What do you mean hold shield slightly? When do you start holding shield?
@@washedsemipro Sorry, I meant hold GRAB (holding GRAB IS holding shield because GRAB is just a macro for SHIELD+A)
So in the sequence for ZZLIC, you would input Z Z A (or GRAB GRAB A). When you do the second GRAB (i.e the z-drop), make sure you keep it held slightly just as you press the A button for the LIC.
Bro 8:17 is especially messed up... Being able to mix in tomahawk grab and its still a 0td... Crazy
so i can do zz but when i try to press a to catch the gyro it just nairs an dont catch it so idk what to do
Did u figured out?
@@marcovelasco5375 nah unfortunately and i don't play that game no more 😭
6:34 i'm really confused. Everytime I try to catch the gyro, I fair and catch it. Can someone help?
I would suggest attempting to do this using the A button instead of the c-stick. The c-stick is harder for the same effect, so just use the A button instead of cstick.
@@Luu343 thanks for the help. I can do it easier
can I do it with link?
After I do a z drop nair then throw the gyro. For some reason after I throw it and try to catch it with the z button. It still air dodges.
After you throw the gyro forward, you need to ensure you're not holding any directions and press a GRAB button in midair when you're near the gyro. If you airdodge, you might be pressing the GRAB button TOO EARLY or TOO FAR AWAY from the gyro. So either delay the press, or ensure you're close to gyro.
@@Luu343 thank you
OOOOH WTFF
3:39 WTFFFF
Literally everyone watching is a Rob main
How do I c stick catch?
4:40
Does this still works? Or is just can't do it?
This still works but difficult to do :)
I didn t understand how catch gyro with z without dodge
Copied and pasted from another comment:
"After you throw the gyro forward, you need to ensure you're not holding any directions and press a GRAB button in midair when you're near the gyro. If you airdodge, you might be pressing the GRAB button TOO EARLY or TOO FAR AWAY from the gyro. So either delay the press, or ensure you're close to gyro."
I can't hit the zz combos on pac man. Is this just a thing, or am i not doing it right?
Are you finding success on other characters and just not pac?
Are you attempting base ZZ combos or are you trying to LIC as well?
In the video I was able to perform the complicated ZZ combo into Dair on Jigglypuff, and if it works on her, should be able to simply perform them on Pac.
I do believe there are different levels of difficulty on certain characters though! I can hit LIC combos on Wolf the easiest for some weird reason...
@@Luu343 I'm just attempting basic zz combos atm.
I started practicing LIC but I can't get it in a combo yet.
I can perform zz combos on other characters just fine, but on pac the gyro barely misses every time. Do I have to get more forward momentum before I do the first gyro toss?
Because im doing it after a normal landing nair (the hitbox that does about 9%), then shorthop gyro toss forwards (drifting towards them), z catch z drop.
I think i figured it out myself.
I wasn't close enough to my opponent.
@@Luu343 But still, thanks for the answer and the awesome video! Without it i wouldn't even know this tech
7:40
I keep air dodging when trying to grab back the gyro in the first combo -_-
After you throw the gyro forward, you need to ensure you're not holding any directions and press a GRAB button in midair when you're near the gyro. If you airdodge, you might be pressing the GRAB button TOO EARLY or TOO FAR AWAY from the gyro. So either delay the press, or ensure you're close to gyro.
@@Luu343 thanks!! It'll take some time but I'll get it eventually!!
3:50
I dont have a gamecube controller
Does this still work
Yup
Why are Top Player Robs not labbing it ?
Cant get LIC, gyro get too far from rob, am I being too slow?
Im trying Z Z and then A, as fast as I can,
ZZ works fine but Lic just wont happen ;(
It is tricky, and remember it's more spacing dependent, the inputs are not all that fast, actually.
ROB needs to be effectively BEHIND the opponent, like in the examples I show! If ROB is in-front, 99.99999999% of the time it wont work.
@@Luu343 thanks so much for answering, and for all these videos you're awesome!
I massively appreciate your kind words!
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my second z drop turns into airdodge why 😭😭
I think you mean your z-catch is turning into airdodge. That is because you're pressing it too early. You need to do it slower.
@@Luu343 thanks for your reply! my zz was too fast, and I'm getting better thanks to your advice🤙🏻
I struggle to do LIC, but everytime I fall my gyro after zz...🥲
@@marukuosameru1 yeah it's not easy, I suggest practice it using Byleth CPU in training mode. I also suggest using the A Button instead of c-stick because it's easier imo.
Also try doing it with forward facing nairs instead!
@@Luu343 wow A Button is more useful than using c-stick! Yea I'll practice with CPU Byleth,thanks!
Starting forward nair seems difficult but I'll try and get my new combos!
your video always makes me motivative using ROB, I can't thank enough.
looking for your new one!THANKS!!!!
Curry
Ahah zizi
This shit mad confusing I can’t even catch the gyro after I throw it
These are ADVANCED techniques afterall :p
Nothing simple here
Luu343 nah bro i got it thanks for tips
I hate ROB. he is deadass so broken. I wish that all ROB mains would stop complaining. Thank you. You are carried.
Haha... il a dit zizi
On se marre
wtf lol
I bet this is able to be air dodged out of
You say 'this' like one thing is showcased here...
Also I'm not sure if you're aware but you can't airdodge out of true combos because.... they're true :/
Why do PROPLAYERS never do these combos