+SuperAtheist why do you have to make fun of those who actually believe in Someone beyond our imaginations. You fear unexplainable things. We don't fear believing in things beyond explanation. You're just jealous because your scientific mind is so ignorant now.
Odd, they're asking if there's discrimination against atheists, yet not a single atheist on the panel. Kinda answered that question without saying one word.
The stupidity in this video is off the charts. Wow. Just wow. Thank you christian man for sticking up for people that don't share your beliefs. I don't share yours but I'm glad we are adult enough to respect each other.
It is indeed good to see the voice of reason in Stephen Smith who realises that freedom is needed for everyone and is willing to defend that freedom for people he does not agree with him. If he ever needs support because he cannot exercise his belief for himself, we as Atheists should support Stephen Smith.
Let's make a little experiment, shall we? Watch this video again but every time you hear the word "atheists" switch it to "blacks" or "gays". Do you still think that what they're saying is correct? No? Well, there you go...
Fernando Dobbin Last time I checked, being an atheist is a choice. Being black is not. You can wake up & decide to not be an atheist, you can’t wake up & not be black anymore. There weren’t in any signs in America that said “No Atheist Allowed” or “Atheist Only”. Unless you openly come out & say you are an atheist, no one knows what you believe in. Whenever a black persons steps outside, we know they are black. Can’t compare what blacks went through to what Atheist go through.
@@g.o.a.tsports2880 as a black man i see your point, and i am not disputing against however, i can tell you that atheism is also not a choice either. Atheist are atheist because certain circumstances compells them to draw their conclusion that an existence of a god cannot be objectively veirfied amd even there is verification of a god which god are we referring to. In my case, i my atheistic postion came as a result of simply being intellectually honest with myself and the god that i believed in. It wasn't that i DIDN'T believe in god, but rather i COULDN'T believe. . .
+Heywood Yabloome Christians are not cowards. You are, because you can't say that to our faces. And it's better to be a coward than to be a bully, let alone be both. God bless you.
It's not just discrimination against atheists, it's discrimination against everyone who doesn't agree their particular interpretation of God and the bible.
I love how that lady is up tight, hateful and angry lol. We are upholding the constitution and standing for separation of church and state. You put God on money, in school, in the pledge then you are forcing beliefs on people.
this clip is amazing, in my country the theists are kept on a very short leash and if they stray they will be punished and strangely they always try, they of course have no influence whatsoever.
KTevolved I live in Sweden, actually I do not really care what people believe, however theists are potentially very dangerous which they have proven and still prove many times, look at the bloody muhammedans and what they are doing. it is like Voltaire said: people that can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Karl Hedenskog Nå nu har vi inte riktigt samma problem som jänkarna har med religiösa om man inte räknar undfallenheten mot muhammedanerna. Gott nytt år på dig.
I DON'T WANT THE ATHEISTS INFRINGING UPON MY RIGHTS! As long as we have teacher-led prayer during class time, 10 commandment monuments in courtrooms, 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance even though it wasn't there originally and added later, 'In God We Trust' on money even though it wasn't there originally just like the Pledge, and tax-exempt status for organizations that don't have to release their expenditures the way that non-profit organizations like hospitals have to, we're cool, right? What's that atheists? You don't care if people pray in school as long as it isn't teacher/official led and thereby using public tax money to push a particular belief? You don't want the 10 commandments in courtrooms because they're clearly not the law and for some reason omit awful crimes like rape? You want 'under God' taken out of the Pledge and 'In God We Trust' taken off of money because it only serves to marginalize the atheist/agnostic/polytheist/etc population? You think a church needs to be held accountable for its income and expenses the same way that all other nonreligious 501c3 organizations are? RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! INTOLERANCE! HATRED! BIGOTRY!
@@johnlove2954 Is 'anything you like' something you are guaranteed to be free from in the constitution, like religion? If so, then yes, you do have the right to complain and sue for equality.
@@dagid2537 Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from it Of course, this shows that censoring God from discourse, is a form of treason and if anything, atheists need to be viewed as traitors. No wonder, Founding Fathers saw atheism as a great menace and we have forgotten to have the same emotions about it.
@@johnlove2954 Quotes from Thomas Paine - Founding Father of the Constitution: "Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange believe that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies. [ The Age of Reason]" "There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice . . . [Complete Writings]" "It is far better that we admitted a thousand devils to roam at large than that we permitted one such impostor and monster as Moses, Joshua, Samuel, and the Bible prophets, to come with the pretended word of God and have credit among us. [The Age of Reason]" "What is it the Bible teaches us?--raping, cruelty, and murder. What is it the New Testament teaches us?--to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith. As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book. [Thomas Paine, Letter to William Duane, April 23, 1806]" All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. [The Age of Reason]" "Persecution is not an original feature in any religion, but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. [The Age of Reason]" "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter. [The Age of Reason]" "The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book. [The Age of Reason]" "My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. Whence arose all the horrid assassinations of whole nations of men, women, and infants, with which the Bible is filled; and the bloody persecutions, and tortures unto death, and religious wars, that since that time have laid Europe in blood and ashes; whence arose they, but from this impious thing called religion, and this monstrous belief that God has spoken to man? [Thomas Paine quoted in 2000 Years of Disbelief, Famous People with the Courage to Doubt by James Haught]" "The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up." "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst; every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in, but this attempts to stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into eternity." Quotes on religion by Thomas Jefferson: "Of publishing a book on religion, my dear sir, I never had an idea. I should as soon think of writing for the reformation of Bedlam, as of the world of religious sects. Of these there must be, at least, ten thousand, every individual of every one of which believes all wrong but his own." Thomas Jefferson "Compulsion in religion is distinguished peculiarly from compulsion in every other thing. I may grow rich by art I am compelled to follow, I may recover health by medicines I am compelled to take against my own judgment, but I cannot be saved by a worship I disbelieve & abhor." Thomas Jefferson "Religion is a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his Maker in which no other, and far less the public, had a right to intermeddle." "But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State." "Your reason is now mature enough to examine this object [religion]. In the first place divest yourself of all bias in favour of novelty & singularity of opinion. Indulge them in any other subject rather than that of religion. It is too important, & the consequences of error may be too serious. On the other hand shake off all the fears & servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. " ...you were saying??? @John Love, You need to read more. The Founding Fathers were intellectuals and several were atheists (and deists at most - not Christians). It's always hilarious to the atheist community that the religious community likes to claim the intellectual, non-Christian and blaspheming Founding Fathers as their own. ;)
Instead of the word "atheist", we should use the word "educated" when we address ourselves. One of the reasons the fact remains that the more educated an individual becomes, the less likely they are to be religious. GOOGLE IT
Ryan Jones Ryan you ignorant fuck...why don't you stop using the things that real science has given to society. Stop using your cell phone and computer because the same scientists who accept evolution are the ones who also have made your life a lot better....not god. Look up how many scientists accept evolution and you'll see the percentage is 99.85%. Do you realize what that means? You and .15% of the science world are WRONG and can't accept that mommy and daddy lied about jesus and all that noahs' ark bullshit.
Ryan Jones Wow...you just stick your head in the ground and love your fairytale. The statistic is correct, but you don't want to do some real research because religitards love being ignorant. Guess why the bible is not taught in school as history??? Because it's baseless. There is no evidence of the factual record except for the bible itself. The fairytale stories that you accept as truth are soon to be mythology just like zeus.
At least I don't follow a book of ancient myths... Btw I thought Christians were supposed to be loving and caring towards people. "Treat others as you would want to be treated."
***** yes, education brain washes you...but religion don t, wright? No, religion gives you 3 answers for every question on earth...1 It was God; 2 Because it s written( in some kind of book); 3 because He works in mystirious ways... Yes, education brain washes you... it makes you question the world arround you, and makes you find LOGiCAL answers to the world arround you... And to be honest, in wich god do you believe? Bescause there are a lot of different gods to believe in, and lot of different books way older than the cabala, bible or coran ... so why do you believe yours? Have you at least tried to believe in other, have you hever tried to read another book? Education brain washes you...that s the dumbest thing i ve ever read in my life
+AtheistGamer well then it should be respected. Y'all still would be angry and force it off, because you atheists are afraid that certain things can't be explained by science, so if you hear the word "God", you automatically shut down and try to fight.
+Shepard Wallace In her defense, there's a good chance that Stephen A. Smith is a closet atheist... Also, she claimed to have another Christian and a Jew on the panel, but those two women were clearly the work of Satan.
The man from New York was actually a pretty cool Christian. He was the only one who had any clue about how America's freedoms should be working to protect religious rights and not infringe on them at the same time. The two ladies were atrocious and basically clueless.
I have never had an atheist knock on my door to tell me I was going to hell. Atheist have never left their trash on my door. Tell me again who it is that's doing the harassing. Prayer was never taken out of schools, FORCED prayer was.
"Don't impose on my right to have prayer in school" Of course you can pray in school all you want, but public schools are not allowed to have a public display of religion because it is contrary to other religions. If it had been a Muslim prayer that people wanted in schools, these people would be like, Oh, that's not fair to impose that religion on children, but if it's their own religion their okay with it. Also, the phrase "under God" SHOULD be removed from the pledge of allegiance because even though this country has been heavily influenced by Christianity, it was built on religious freedom and the pledge of allegiance stands for our country and it's beliefs, which include nondiscrimination against religions.
Amazing that these kinds of people still exist today. What a small world they live in. If you are still undecided on the god issue, just ask yourself how long we would survive as a country if the biblically fundamental Christians, Jews or Muslims suddenly got their way unimpeded by the constitution and secular law?
No, No, No, The USA was not founded as a Christian nation. Our founding fathers specifically wrote into the Constitution that church and state were to be separated.
If we're a christian nation because most people are christian, does that mean we are also a white nation? lol. Let's see the black guy respond to that one! lol
It would also mean that the US is an obese nation and that only the values of the obese should be respected. Fit people should stop working out: It only makes the obese feel bad about their bodies. Sound ridiculous? Yeah but it's the same as what these guys are asking. They're basically saying that the majority of Americans are uneducated and the educated should just fall in line and not let their education show.
As a left handed person, I feel lost. Every country in the world is a Right Handed Country, founded and ruled by Right Handers for Right Handers. Then they tell me that being a leftie is a choice, that I wasn't born that way and I'm really just rebelling against my inner Right Handedness, no science can prove otherwise, and I need to have more faith in my right hand.
I think I found a cure. My local priest says he can show me how to properly use my right hand. Not sure if I understand, but he's a priest, so you gotta trust him.
When does it stop? It stops when everyone in this country is created equal. And if we are going to say, "if you don't like the pledge don't say it" why don't we go back to the 60s and 70s and say if you don't want to sit in the back of the bus don't take the bus. We don't do that because this is a free country and every one is to be created equal.
"by saying those types of things against Stephen A Smith you're belittling his beliefs just like those women were belittling yours." atheism is not a belief
Either the black guy is really reasonable but brainwashed by religion as a child, or he really is an atheist posing as a christian so he gets to keep his job... I vote the latter
BULLSHIT, Europe is not becoming Islamist, I went there this year and everybody (literally everybody) was kind, helpful and accepting, and they managed to do that while remaining quite religious.
Stephen a Smith debating atheist vs religion lol I think he nailed it when he supports everybody's right to believe whatever they want... you can worship a Rock for all I care, just don't throw it at me...
I dismiss the existence of god(s). It's not a belief. "What can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence!" - Chris Hitchens I do not believe in the Big Bang Theory. I accept it as true based on the evidence. "what started it?" I don't know and neither do you. "doesn't that contradict atheism itself?" No! Only proof of god could do that. "When one person suffers from a delusion, it's called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it's called religion."
The people on the video make a very good case for "Christian Discrimination Against Atheists"! The best attack on some ayatollah in Iran was when his speach was translated directly into English. Even without the press censorship the attack couldn't have been better than present his own words unedited.
This is a "see it to believe it" video. Without the gentleman in the video, there may have been no video. It would be interesting to see how far those reporters or interviewers have come since this was recorded. >>> Peace to all.
because this video is fairly old, someone else may have made this point. they ask a panel if atheists are persecuted, and no one on the panel is an atheist
Stephen A Smith was the reasonable one.. Wow. Whenever he talks sports the guy sounds like a preacher, so I was expecting him to sound like a preacher on this. I am amazed he had these views.
It’s time to move beyond “tolerance” to equal standing for every adult citizen--equal standing in society, equal standing in the political arena and equal standing under the law--equal standing for Christians, equal standing for Muslims, equal standing for Hindus, equal standing for people whose religion is personal (not creedal) and, yes, equal standing for people who have rejected any or all of the many caricatures of “God” that masquerade as “THE truth”. A good first step in that direction would be to specify that any discussion of this topic should be in the context of agreement that we will use the words, “morals” and “morality” to refer to principles provided by a deity and use the word, “ethics”, to refer to principles developed by a culture or subculture (“medical ethics” for example). Many if not most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and other educated Americans of European heritage in the eighteenth century were influenced by books by David Hume, Voltaire and Thomas Paine. Such men were not opposed to the idea that a supreme being had created the universe under laws of cause and effect (“nature and nature’s God”). They believed such principles included kindness, honesty and diligence in business and maybe even cleanliness but life after death was regarded as superstitious. Several such men wrote that such things as miracles, forgiveness and resurrection would require that the creator act contrary to his own “natural” laws and they didn’t believe that was possible. I don’t agree with those men’s philosophy but it did produce a system of government that they intended would provide EVERYONE with the best opportunity for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If there are such people in our society today, let’s work for equal standing for THEM too.
There is always room for me to improve my understanding of both, of course! But I think I got a better idea of them both than your average Christian. You certainly don't you've just resorted to name calling to every one of my last comments because you got shit on your own channel, great job of diverting the attention.
What these people miss is that most Atheists come from religious homes. I was raised in a religious family and we went to church every sunday. I attended a religious based school. I know the bible better than most christians. Between the ages of 12-13, I realized that the whole christian god myth did not make any sense. When I was 14, I learnt what the word "resuscitate" meant (i.e. revive someone from apparent death) and realized that Jesus was like resuscitated (i.e. like my uncle was) and not resurrected. By the time I was 15, I had learnt enough roman history to know two things... 1. that the Romans killed Jesus (crucifixion is a roman form of execution) and 2. that when the church became the Roman State religion is when the Jews were blamed for the death of Jesus and is when the church became anti-Semitic. By the time I was 16, I had learnt enough European History to know that the church and all churches were political players, supporters of wars, supporters of the wealthy over the poor, supporters of slavery, and essentially amoral money making businesses which paid no taxes... that I understood that all christian churches were corrupt and greedy and used fear to keep milking their duped flocks. By the time I was 17, I discovered cosmology, physics, psychology, the enlightenment thinkers, humanism and understood that the US was based on the enlightenment and humanism and was created to keep the insanity which religion can cause out of our government. When I was 18, I understood that we all have larger questions of why we are, what is our purpose, what does all of creation mean. When I was 19, I understood that part of being human means being in awe the universe nakedly... and not pretending that answers can be found in a book written by many men and complied for a king. By the time I was 20, I learnt to be tolerant of the inane behavior of believers and began to understand that while growing old was mandatory, growing up was optional. I chose to be a grown up.... but many people, like the people in this video, are just getting old.
So, let me get this right: A discussion programme discussing whether Christians discriminate against atheists : without getting an actual atheist on to put forward their views on this? Would a programme be able to discuss whether women are ever discriminated against with 4 men who all believe they don't confirming their own bias, or 4 white racists discussing racism without any other ethnically diverse people being involved? This is in America, right?
I have my own opinions and thoughts as well as you do. If you've ever heard of something called a debate then you'd understand why I lash out at others who don't feel the same way as I do. I feel the need to let others know how I feel about a certain issue and if they counter that then I do the same. It's also called sharing opinions, or in some cases facts. I have the freedom of speech at my disposal and I'm not going to back down on something I feel strongly about.
Here's a way to settle prayer in school: Let's take two classes and a book. One class will read the book and the other will pray for knowledge of what's in the book. Both classes will then take a test on what's in the book. The class that scores better settles the prayer debate.
People like these 2 women continue to give rise to this liberating movement. The more they try to shut us up, the more we will contest them. It seems to be getting harder and harder for religous people to argue against logic and reason... hail science!!
I live in the UK and we have many faults but I am glad to say that I find it impossible to conceive how such a stupid programme would have aired over here.
No disagreement there. I was simply replying to a comment where I point out the problem with calling atheism "new". There is of course also many problems and discrepancies with calling the mindset that no gods exist a religion.
The "one nation under God" sentence is NOT part of the original pledge of allegiance.... is was added into it in the late 50's. Atheism is not "anti-God" you are welcome to believe in the flying spaghetti monster if you want..... just do not expect me to share your beliefs. I respect you, why can I not get the same respect?
Lol I love watching these old videos. Because it explains why so many older Americans are so politically irrelevant due to their lack of any understanding about Americans history. Steven A would be the exception here.
I am Jewish, but this is a Christian nation? If this was a Christian nation - why in your God's name was no reference to God made in the Constitution? You are re-making history.
Stephen A. Smith...I'm proud of you my man. It's hard enough to stand up for your own rights when you are outnumbered but to stand there and defend an unrepresented party whom you don't even agree with? Much respect to you. "Evil can only exist when good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke
they said Christian is not imposing their religion on anybody, then what are those Christian Missionary around the world? keep your religion to yourself and stop harassing other religion around the world.
I also an majoring In Environmental Biology, I think science is a great thing to know. Science just helps me understand the way life was designed and how my Father made it. Just because your Christian doesn't mean Science is wrong, everything in science is just a theory anyways.
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my video is not an attack on christians. It's a response to the CNN broadcast.
When asked about my religious beliefs I say Non-Delusional.
+Herbin' Avenger
That's awesome and I'm surprised I didn't think of it.
Seems obvious now.
+SuperAtheist why do you have to make fun of those who actually believe in Someone beyond our imaginations. You fear unexplainable things. We don't fear believing in things beyond explanation. You're just jealous because your scientific mind is so ignorant now.
+Robokid2068
The delusion is strong in you.
+SuperAtheist young padawan. Lol
+Slave Of Christ are you a Christian ? :(
Odd, they're asking if there's discrimination against atheists, yet not a single atheist on the panel. Kinda answered that question without saying one word.
Isn't it weird how they don't have an atheist to speak for themselves
Steven is an undercover atheist.
+SST And he a brother too which is dope.
+SST Nah, he's definitely Christian. He's just too smart to be a HUGE hypocrite like the other pieces of trash on the set with him here...
I wish he was. It would be more reason to love him and the baaaaaaaaaaaaaad man. Go Pack.
you know its terrible when Stephen a smith is the reasonable one!
+Keith Rose Ha!
+Keith Rose I actually like him. He owns Skip Bayless most of the time.
Oscar Davila sure, but he is a race monger
Keith Rose
LOL true. He's right sometimes though.
The stupidity in this video is off the charts. Wow. Just wow. Thank you christian man for sticking up for people that don't share your beliefs. I don't share yours but I'm glad we are adult enough to respect each other.
It is indeed good to see the voice of reason in Stephen Smith who realises that freedom is needed for everyone and is willing to defend that freedom for people he does not agree with him. If he ever needs support because he cannot exercise his belief for himself, we as Atheists should support Stephen Smith.
Let's make a little experiment, shall we?
Watch this video again but every time you hear the word "atheists" switch it to "blacks" or "gays". Do you still think that what they're saying is correct? No? Well, there you go...
Fernando Dobbin
Last time I checked, being an atheist is a choice. Being black is not. You can wake up & decide to not be an atheist, you can’t wake up & not be black anymore.
There weren’t in any signs in America that said “No Atheist Allowed” or “Atheist Only”.
Unless you openly come out & say you are an atheist, no one knows what you believe in.
Whenever a black persons steps outside, we know they are black. Can’t compare what blacks went through to what Atheist go through.
@@g.o.a.tsports2880 a little late but last time i checked being gay is also a chioce
@@g.o.a.tsports2880 as a black man i see your point, and i am not disputing against however, i can tell you that atheism is also not a choice either. Atheist are atheist because certain circumstances compells them to draw their conclusion that an existence of a god cannot be objectively veirfied amd even there is verification of a god which god are we referring to. In my case, i my atheistic postion came as a result of simply being intellectually honest with myself and the god that i believed in. It wasn't that i DIDN'T believe in god, but rather i COULDN'T believe. . .
doug cunningham what?
2:15..a christains version of freedom.."i think they need to just shut up".
What's that supposed to mean?
+Robokid2068 you tell me...you seen the video.
being a fool will get you no way but a place where you don't want to be.💙💙💙💙💙💙💛💙💙💙💙💛
+Empress Roses so you agree with her?
+Heywood Yabloome Christians are not cowards. You are, because you can't say that to our faces. And it's better to be a coward than to be a bully, let alone be both. God bless you.
It's not just discrimination against atheists, it's discrimination against everyone who doesn't agree their particular interpretation of God and the bible.
I love how that lady is up tight, hateful and angry lol. We are upholding the constitution and standing for separation of church and state. You put God on money, in school, in the pledge then you are forcing beliefs on people.
this clip is amazing, in my country the theists are kept on a very short leash and if they stray they will be punished and strangely they always try, they of course have no influence whatsoever.
Where do you live. Yes we should keep theists on a leash and punish them if they stray.
KTevolved
I live in Sweden, actually I do not really care what people believe, however theists are potentially very dangerous which they have proven and still prove many times, look at the bloody muhammedans and what they are doing. it is like Voltaire said: people that can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Krister Andersson
Känns bra att inte vara den enda svensken som tittar på den här videon :)
Karl Hedenskog
Nå nu har vi inte riktigt samma problem som jänkarna har med religiösa om man inte räknar undfallenheten mot muhammedanerna. Gott nytt år på dig.
I DON'T WANT THE ATHEISTS INFRINGING UPON MY RIGHTS! As long as we have teacher-led prayer during class time, 10 commandment monuments in courtrooms, 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance even though it wasn't there originally and added later, 'In God We Trust' on money even though it wasn't there originally just like the Pledge, and tax-exempt status for organizations that don't have to release their expenditures the way that non-profit organizations like hospitals have to, we're cool, right?
What's that atheists? You don't care if people pray in school as long as it isn't teacher/official led and thereby using public tax money to push a particular belief? You don't want the 10 commandments in courtrooms because they're clearly not the law and for some reason omit awful crimes like rape? You want 'under God' taken out of the Pledge and 'In God We Trust' taken off of money because it only serves to marginalize the atheist/agnostic/polytheist/etc population? You think a church needs to be held accountable for its income and expenses the same way that all other nonreligious 501c3 organizations are?
RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! INTOLERANCE! HATRED! BIGOTRY!
+Leish Tek
So, if you have the right to get "God" out of the money, do I have the right to censor anything I like?
@@johnlove2954 Is 'anything you like' something you are guaranteed to be free from in the constitution, like religion? If so, then yes, you do have the right to complain and sue for equality.
@@dagid2537 Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from it
Of course, this shows that censoring God from discourse, is a form of treason and if anything, atheists need to be viewed as traitors.
No wonder, Founding Fathers saw atheism as a great menace and we have forgotten to have the same emotions about it.
@@johnlove2954
Quotes from Thomas Paine - Founding Father of the Constitution:
"Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange believe that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies. [ The Age of Reason]"
"There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice . . . [Complete Writings]"
"It is far better that we admitted a thousand devils to roam at large than that we permitted one such impostor and monster as Moses, Joshua, Samuel, and the Bible prophets, to come with the pretended word of God and have credit among us. [The Age of Reason]"
"What is it the Bible teaches us?--raping, cruelty, and murder. What is it the New Testament teaches us?--to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.
As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book. [Thomas Paine, Letter to William Duane, April 23, 1806]"
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. [The Age of Reason]"
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion, but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. [The Age of Reason]"
"Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter. [The Age of Reason]"
"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book. [The Age of Reason]"
"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
Whence arose all the horrid assassinations of whole nations of men, women, and infants, with which the Bible is filled; and the bloody persecutions, and tortures unto death, and religious wars, that since that time have laid Europe in blood and ashes; whence arose they, but from this impious thing called religion, and this monstrous belief that God has spoken to man? [Thomas Paine quoted in 2000 Years of Disbelief, Famous People with the Courage to Doubt by James Haught]"
"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."
"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst; every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in, but this attempts to stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into eternity."
Quotes on religion by Thomas Jefferson:
"Of publishing a book on religion, my dear sir, I never had an idea. I should as soon think of writing for the reformation of Bedlam, as of the world of religious sects. Of these there must be, at least, ten thousand, every individual of every one of which believes all wrong but his own." Thomas Jefferson
"Compulsion in religion is distinguished peculiarly from compulsion in every other thing. I may grow rich by art I am compelled to follow, I may recover health by medicines I am compelled to take against my own judgment, but I cannot be saved by a worship I disbelieve & abhor." Thomas Jefferson
"Religion is a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his Maker in which no other, and far less the public, had a right to intermeddle."
"But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State."
"Your reason is now mature enough to examine this object [religion]. In the first place divest yourself of all bias in favour of novelty & singularity of opinion. Indulge them in any other subject rather than that of religion. It is too important, & the consequences of error may be too serious. On the other hand shake off all the fears & servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
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...you were saying???
@John Love, You need to read more.
The Founding Fathers were intellectuals and several were atheists (and deists at most - not Christians). It's always hilarious to the atheist community that the religious community likes to claim the intellectual, non-Christian and blaspheming Founding Fathers as their own. ;)
@@dagid2537 Lol, nice cherrypicking.
But Jefferson wanted punishment for gays
Instead of the word "atheist", we should use the word "educated" when we address ourselves. One of the reasons the fact remains that the more educated an individual becomes, the less likely they are to be religious. GOOGLE IT
Ryan Jones Ryan you ignorant fuck...why don't you stop using the things that real science has given to society. Stop using your cell phone and computer because the same scientists who accept evolution are the ones who also have made your life a lot better....not god. Look up how many scientists accept evolution and you'll see the percentage is 99.85%. Do you realize what that means? You and .15% of the science world are WRONG and can't accept that mommy and daddy lied about jesus and all that noahs' ark bullshit.
Ryan Jones Wow...you just stick your head in the ground and love your fairytale. The statistic is correct, but you don't want to do some real research because religitards love being ignorant. Guess why the bible is not taught in school as history??? Because it's baseless. There is no evidence of the factual record except for the bible itself. The fairytale stories that you accept as truth are soon to be mythology just like zeus.
At least I don't follow a book of ancient myths... Btw I thought Christians were supposed to be loving and caring towards people. "Treat others as you would want to be treated."
That's ok..... I guess 😕
***** yes, education brain washes you...but religion don t, wright? No, religion gives you 3 answers for every question on earth...1 It was God; 2 Because it s written( in some kind of book); 3 because He works in mystirious ways... Yes, education brain washes you... it makes you question the world arround you, and makes you find LOGiCAL answers to the world arround you... And to be honest, in wich god do you believe? Bescause there are a lot of different gods to believe in, and lot of different books way older than the cabala, bible or coran ... so why do you believe yours? Have you at least tried to believe in other, have you hever tried to read another book? Education brain washes you...that s the dumbest thing i ve ever read in my life
Religion = Intolerance Atheism = Tolerance As described in this video. Pick your side.
Atheism is not tolerant. They don't tolerate when it says "God" in the pledge of allegiance or on the dollar bill.
+Robokid2068 Would you tolerate it if it said "In Allah we trust" on the dollar bill? What about if the pledge was "one nation under Allah"?
+AtheistGamer they will never understand..
+AtheistGamer well then it should be respected. Y'all still would be angry and force it off, because you atheists are afraid that certain things can't be explained by science, so if you hear the word "God", you automatically shut down and try to fight.
+alan jackson Because atheists are so much wiser than Christians... (Sarcasm)
congratulations on having zero atheists in your panel, Paula. You are a true professional.
+Shepard Wallace In her defense, there's a good chance that Stephen A. Smith is a closet atheist...
Also, she claimed to have another Christian and a Jew on the panel, but those two women were clearly the work of Satan.
+Shepard Wallace
Yup. talk about a lousy panel. We had to have the nice fellow from New York represent us - even though he was a christian.
It never occurred to these clowns to have an atheist on this segment?
My guess is that they don't know any.
+CalicoVall Unlike Karen Hunter's idea that atheists don't believe anything, since they don't have a GAWD belief.
@@nash984954 Karen Hunter is a Karen.
The man from New York was actually a pretty cool Christian. He was the only one who had any clue about how America's freedoms should be working to protect religious rights and not infringe on them at the same time. The two ladies were atrocious and basically clueless.
I can't watch this all they way through!!
It pisses me off! SO MUCH
I have never had an atheist knock on my door to tell me I was going to hell. Atheist have never left their trash on my door. Tell me again who it is that's doing the harassing.
Prayer was never taken out of schools, FORCED prayer was.
"Don't impose on my right to have prayer in school"
Of course you can pray in school all you want, but public schools are not allowed to have a public display of religion because it is contrary to other religions. If it had been a Muslim prayer that people wanted in schools, these people would be like, Oh, that's not fair to impose that religion on children, but if it's their own religion their okay with it.
Also, the phrase "under God" SHOULD be removed from the pledge of allegiance because even though this country has been heavily influenced by Christianity, it was built on religious freedom and the pledge of allegiance stands for our country and it's beliefs, which include nondiscrimination against religions.
Amazing that these kinds of people still exist today. What a small world they live in. If you are still undecided on the god issue, just ask yourself how long we would survive as a country if the biblically fundamental Christians, Jews or Muslims suddenly got their way unimpeded by the constitution and secular law?
I face palmed so many times this video that I became religious.
No, No, No, The USA was not founded as a Christian nation. Our founding fathers specifically wrote into the Constitution that church and state were to be separated.
it is like Watching a debate in a lunatic asylum.
If we're a christian nation because most people are christian, does that mean we are also a white nation? lol. Let's see the black guy respond to that one! lol
It would also mean that the US is an obese nation and that only the values of the obese should be respected. Fit people should stop working out: It only makes the obese feel bad about their bodies. Sound ridiculous? Yeah but it's the same as what these guys are asking. They're basically saying that the majority of Americans are uneducated and the educated should just fall in line and not let their education show.
As a left handed person, I feel lost. Every country in the world is a Right Handed Country, founded and ruled by Right Handers for Right Handers. Then they tell me that being a leftie is a choice, that I wasn't born that way and I'm really just rebelling against my inner Right Handedness, no science can prove otherwise, and I need to have more faith in my right hand.
MrKGatl Fucking leftie. If I had my way, we would be allowed to cut off that evil hand of yours....
I think I found a cure. My local priest says he can show me how to properly use my right hand. Not sure if I understand, but he's a priest, so you gotta trust him.
MrKGatl
Beware, If he puts lotion on your hand it's a trick... LOL
Debbie Schlussel's voice is easily among the most annoying sounds in the world....
Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told regardless of what is right.
2:38 Prayer was NEVER taken out of public schools, my dear.
The "liberal media," ladies and gentlemen.
Give me a break.
When does it stop? It stops when everyone in this country is created equal. And if we are going to say, "if you don't like the pledge don't say it" why don't we go back to the 60s and 70s and say if you don't want to sit in the back of the bus don't take the bus. We don't do that because this is a free country and every one is to be created equal.
That awkward moment when Stephen A Smith is the smartest person in the room... :P
Let us have a discussion about atheism without an atheist. Amazing CNN!
Hahahaha this comment section and video is the funniest thing I have seen for quite some time. Thank you very much XD
"by saying those types of things against Stephen A Smith you're belittling his beliefs just like those women were belittling yours."
atheism is not a belief
Who would think Stephen A. Smith would be the most rational one here.
We do have a right from Religion, freedom from stupidity!
Either the black guy is really reasonable but brainwashed by religion as a child, or he really is an atheist posing as a christian so he gets to keep his job... I vote the latter
BULLSHIT, Europe is not becoming Islamist, I went there this year and everybody (literally everybody) was kind, helpful and accepting, and they managed to do that while remaining quite religious.
I really wont to shake that mans hand, a voice of resson from someone of faith, warms my heart.
Stephen a Smith debating atheist vs religion lol I think he nailed it when he supports everybody's right to believe whatever they want... you can worship a Rock for all I care, just don't throw it at me...
I dismiss the existence of god(s). It's not a belief.
"What can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence!"
- Chris Hitchens
I do not believe in the Big Bang Theory. I accept it as true based on the evidence.
"what started it?"
I don't know and neither do you.
"doesn't that contradict atheism itself?"
No! Only proof of god could do that.
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it's called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it's called religion."
LOVE your YT channel name!!
This should be on top comments. Wish it had more thumbs up.
Well I am speechless.
The people on the video make a very good case for "Christian Discrimination Against Atheists"!
The best attack on some ayatollah in Iran was when his speach was translated directly into English. Even without the press censorship the attack couldn't have been better than present his own words unedited.
I gotta love the font changing every few seconds
This is a "see it to believe it" video. Without the gentleman in the video, there may have been no video. It would be interesting to see how far those reporters or interviewers have come since this was recorded. >>> Peace to all.
because this video is fairly old, someone else may have made this point. they ask a panel if atheists are persecuted, and no one on the panel is an atheist
“no label, no slogan, no party, no skin color, and indeed, no religion is more important than the human being." - James Baldwin
first time I think I've ever agreed with Steven a smith
Thank you Stephen!
Stephen A Smith was the reasonable one.. Wow. Whenever he talks sports the guy sounds like a preacher, so I was expecting him to sound like a preacher on this. I am amazed he had these views.
You're right, this program is a perfect example of Christians discriminating against atheists.
It’s time to move beyond “tolerance” to equal standing for every adult citizen--equal standing in society, equal standing in the political arena and equal standing under the law--equal standing for Christians, equal standing for Muslims, equal standing for Hindus, equal standing for people whose religion is personal (not creedal) and, yes, equal standing for people who have rejected any or all of the many caricatures of “God” that masquerade as “THE truth”.
A good first step in that direction would be to specify that any discussion of this topic should be in the context of agreement that we will use the words, “morals” and “morality” to refer to principles provided by a deity and use the word, “ethics”, to refer to principles developed by a culture or subculture (“medical ethics” for example).
Many if not most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and other educated Americans of European heritage in the eighteenth century were influenced by books by David Hume, Voltaire and Thomas Paine. Such men were not opposed to the idea that a supreme being had created the universe under laws of cause and effect (“nature and nature’s God”). They believed such principles included kindness, honesty and diligence in business and maybe even cleanliness but life after death was regarded as superstitious. Several such men wrote that such things as miracles, forgiveness and resurrection would require that the creator act contrary to his own “natural” laws and they didn’t believe that was possible.
I don’t agree with those men’s philosophy but it did produce a system of government that they intended would provide EVERYONE with the best opportunity for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If there are such people in our society today, let’s work for equal standing for THEM too.
There is always room for me to improve my understanding of both, of course! But I think I got a better idea of them both than your average Christian. You certainly don't you've just resorted to name calling to every one of my last comments because you got shit on your own channel, great job of diverting the attention.
stephen a smith never disappoints
Stephen A Smith was the only one that was _kinda_ rational in that argument. *kinda*
They talk about whether or not there's a wide spread discrimination against Atheists and they didn't bring an Atheist on.
SuperAthiest I like what you put on there. It makes me fell better as one too.
“Don’t impose MY RIGHT to have prayer in school”
Lady are you foreal?
A lot of scientists seem to be atheists. And by "these theories" I was referring to big bang and evolution.
that man on the panel is a good man is the only rational person and decent person on this panel.
What these people miss is that most Atheists come from religious homes. I was raised in a religious family and we went to church every sunday. I attended a religious based school. I know the bible better than most christians. Between the ages of 12-13, I realized that the whole christian god myth did not make any sense. When I was 14, I learnt what the word "resuscitate" meant (i.e. revive someone from apparent death) and realized that Jesus was like resuscitated (i.e. like my uncle was) and not resurrected. By the time I was 15, I had learnt enough roman history to know two things... 1. that the Romans killed Jesus (crucifixion is a roman form of execution) and 2. that when the church became the Roman State religion is when the Jews were blamed for the death of Jesus and is when the church became anti-Semitic. By the time I was 16, I had learnt enough European History to know that the church and all churches were political players, supporters of wars, supporters of the wealthy over the poor, supporters of slavery, and essentially amoral money making businesses which paid no taxes... that I understood that all christian churches were corrupt and greedy and used fear to keep milking their duped flocks. By the time I was 17, I discovered cosmology, physics, psychology, the enlightenment thinkers, humanism and understood that the US was based on the enlightenment and humanism and was created to keep the insanity which religion can cause out of our government. When I was 18, I understood that we all have larger questions of why we are, what is our purpose, what does all of creation mean. When I was 19, I understood that part of being human means being in awe the universe nakedly... and not pretending that answers can be found in a book written by many men and complied for a king. By the time I was 20, I learnt to be tolerant of the inane behavior of believers and began to understand that while growing old was mandatory, growing up was optional. I chose to be a grown up.... but many people, like the people in this video, are just getting old.
I am a recovering atheist. I've been an atheist for over 18 years before realizing that it's self-defeating.
I'm not required to disprove everything that can't be proven before I can confidently believe it doesn't exist.
So, let me get this right:
A discussion programme discussing whether Christians discriminate against atheists : without getting an actual atheist on to put forward their views on this?
Would a programme be able to discuss whether women are ever discriminated against with 4 men who all believe they don't confirming their own bias, or 4 white racists discussing racism without any other ethnically diverse people being involved?
This is in America, right?
I have my own opinions and thoughts as well as you do. If you've ever heard of something called a debate then you'd understand why I lash out at others who don't feel the same way as I do. I feel the need to let others know how I feel about a certain issue and if they counter that then I do the same. It's also called sharing opinions, or in some cases facts. I have the freedom of speech at my disposal and I'm not going to back down on something I feel strongly about.
Lets get 3 Christians to debate whether atheists are being discriminated against
this guy was the only one that made 1/2 sense. I think one of the biggest problems is that they have no idea what an atheist is
"Under God" Was NEVER part of the Pledge of Allegiance. It was added in the '50s.
Here's a way to settle prayer in school:
Let's take two classes and a book. One class will read the book and the other will pray for knowledge of what's in the book. Both classes will then take a test on what's in the book. The class that scores better settles the prayer debate.
"I can shut up..."
that would be a miracle!
I can't believe the ignorance coming from these so called educated woman. How do they end up on tv? 😕
People like these 2 women continue to give rise to this liberating movement. The more they try to shut us up, the more we will contest them. It seems to be getting harder and harder for religous people to argue against logic and reason... hail science!!
Haha, I could just imagine Christopher Hitchens watching this on TV with his fists clenched.
I live in the UK and we have many faults but I am glad to say that I find it impossible to conceive how such a stupid programme would have aired over here.
I confirm.
You were there? From what I heard said, CNN claimed that they had an atheist invited but the atheist couldn't make it. Why didn't they let you speak?
What a fair and balanced board of "experts."
I liked that dude. He was rational and had reason.
this video was absolutely hurrrrrrrr-endous!
Its like getting three Nazism to discuss if they are persecuting Jews in the 1930s. What a surprising conclusion!
Stephen A. Smith is a legend! I am an atheist and I still love the composure and level of education.
Btw, when you pledge allegiance, you're pledging it to the state, not the nation, so it doesn't matter how christian the nation is.
When you have a discussion on atheism; It would be nice to have an atheist point of view expressed in the discussion on CNN.
It's funny to me that, between the attorney and the "Pulitzer Prize" winner, it's the sports guy who comes off as the smartest person on that panel.
No disagreement there. I was simply replying to a comment where I point out the problem with calling atheism "new". There is of course also many problems and discrepancies with calling the mindset that no gods exist a religion.
The "one nation under God" sentence is NOT part of the original pledge of allegiance.... is was added into it in the late 50's. Atheism is not "anti-God" you are welcome to believe in the flying spaghetti monster if you want..... just do not expect me to share your beliefs. I respect you, why can I not get the same respect?
Let the guy talk, women! They won't fucking shut the hell up long enough for him to make his point!
if all the 'Not REAL christians' would just stop calling themselves christians, christianity will finally die!
im crying my eyes out. i spent an hour thinking about this staeutmant so i hope it meats criteria!
The moment when Stephen A. Smith is the most rational guy out of the panel.
Lol I love watching these old videos. Because it explains why so many older Americans are so politically irrelevant due to their lack of any understanding about Americans history.
Steven A would be the exception here.
People who believe in fairytales should not have this debate
I am Jewish, but this is a Christian nation? If this was a Christian nation - why in your God's name was no reference to God made in the Constitution? You are re-making history.
I'd rather have one pair of working hands, than 1000 pairs of hands in prayer
Stephen A. Smith...I'm proud of you my man. It's hard enough to stand up for your own rights when you are outnumbered but to stand there and defend an unrepresented party whom you don't even agree with? Much respect to you. "Evil can only exist when good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke
they said Christian is not imposing their religion on anybody, then what are those Christian Missionary around the world?
keep your religion to yourself and stop harassing other religion around the world.
I also an majoring In Environmental Biology, I think science is a great thing to know. Science just helps me understand the way life was designed and how my Father made it. Just because your Christian doesn't mean Science is wrong, everything in science is just a theory anyways.
An atheist can say there is no evidence for God, but they can also say they don't believe in God. Both of these options are considered atheist views.
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.