How to Make a Spawn Bag | Grain Spawn Experiment
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video I show you how to make a spawn bag. I also am doing a grain spawn experiment to see which grain will colonize the fastest. I will be using milo, millet, and whole oat.
00:00 - Intro
01:31 - Add 1 Teaspoon of Gypsum
01:57 - Soak Grain for 24 Hours
02:14 - Sterilize Spawn Bag
03:57 - 6 QT vs 23 QT Presssure Cooker
04:30 - How to Inculcate a Spawn bag with a Colonized Spawn Bag
05:46 - Grain Spawn Experiment
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The casual manner in which you said, "if you don't do this, it will cause a BOMB" blew me away. Love this!
Thank you!
It's true though. I seen one blow first hand
What did she use? I couldn't see it
@@AgoristsAxioms Its a pressure cooker.
@@KaosKontrol92 what you put on top of the jars right before putting the lid on
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Thank you! This helped so much couldn’t find better and more step by step info anywhere else
Thank you!
Another great video from this channel! I really appreciate your scientific approach. 👍🍄💖
I'm actually very happy to see someone use a grain to grain method with the bags. It's hard to find a video that explains grain to grain using spawn bags. Everyone else is doing liquid culture inoculation, but honestly there are so many videos of LC and hardly any of G2G using spawn. Thanks 🙏🏼
Uncle Bens 90 seconds brown rice is really good for grain to grain after it has cooled
Try 1 piece of colonized grain on agar or agar to LC. The combinations are endless.
I just started out, two weeks ago tomorrow, and checked my spawn bags this morning, and we’ve achieved Mycelium!!!!! I haven’t been this excited since… I inoculated them!!!!
out of the 3 which did you find did best overall once it came time to transfer to the monotub for fruiting? Great videos, very informative. Thank you!
Great video and demonstration. I'm learning alot from this channel.
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I appreciate that! Thank you!
I love you Ashley. Thanks for the superb instruction
Hi Ashley, thank you for the great content. How long will a spawn bag last after sterilization (shelf life?) before it needs to be used?
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i finally decided to buy some milo for my grain spawn, thanks a lot, your videos helped me so much,, much ❤️
Awesome!
Nice upgrade. The "sealer" is actually a spacer for the bottom to keep your jars/bags off direct heat. ;) Been canning vegies with one of these for years... love them.
Thank you! You are so right! I started using it the correct way! So much better cause it does not rust!
@@BoomerShroomer you can use a 5 gallon bucket lid to keep the bag from sealing off the vent port, they're almost all polypropylene and can withstand like 500F before melting. It will deform a bit, but it won't rust.
@@jordanmercier3616 you’re going to end up melting the spawn bag. The spawn bag starts to melt around 250F. You want to sterilize the bag around 212F for 2 hours or 15 PSI. More heat will melt it.
@@BoomerShroomer oh no, I'm saying you can use a 5 gallon bucket lid on top of your bags to keep them from sealing the vent port on your PC, the plastic the bucket is made of won't melt in your PC, not to cook grains at 500F. It won't rust that's all.
@@jordanmercier3616 ahhhhh that makes sense! Cool thank you!
Might have been good to inoculate the three bags with an equal volume of liquid culture. This could remove any slight edge introduced by accidentally giving one of the bags slightly more or slightly less of the pre-colonized grain. Regardless, really fun experiment! :) Testing different ratios and combinations of these and other components would be fun too!
Thank you, just the info I was looking for 👍
Thank you!
Hi Ashley! First I have to thank you for making everything so simple! I have came a long way since watching your videos. I still watch them daily before I attempt a new method you have shown me. Thanks for your help and making me a pro! I do have to ask where you find your bulk grain? I can't seem to find Milo anywhere locally. Do you have a vendor? Thanks so much!
I get mine from the local feed store called Fenton Feed Mill. Have you tried a farm store?
Milo is also called sorghum in case its listed with that name
Thanks! Very simple and informative!
Glad it was helpful! Make sure that if you are using the bigger pressure cooker to sterilize them long enough! If you have more than 4 bags then do at least 3 to 4 hours! That’s really the only thing I had an issue with.
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good video thx
It makes so much of a difference! I would never go back!
milo has those snowballs on top, and a lot more dence, which seems has more nutrients for growth of mycelium, I will definetly try that, beautiful video. :)
You're unbelievable, thanks for share, greetings from Colombia !!
Hi Ashley, I've watched a few different videos and I find it interesting that after soaking seeds you transfer them directly into the bags, no drying time needed? Clearly that method is producing success. James
Cool video but I been reading through the comments and you tell someone you leave the grains to dry for 20 min before u put them in the bag and another person you told them you don’t let em dry you put them straight in the bag. Good video but missing the little details that people want to know. And your experiment would be more accurate if you weight it out the spawn before you put them in instead of eyen it
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One thing to mention is the cost. 50lb bags of milo and millet average around d $50. Whereas the whole oats are $15. It’s also easier to find oats pretty much year round. But I do agree that the smaller size of the milo(sorghum) and millet do allow for more inoculation points and more than likely faster colonization.
The local feed store where I live sells 50 pound bags of milo for about 25 bucks and the whole oat is about 12 bucks per 50 pounds. Maybe you can find it cheaper at a farm store or feed store in your area. I usually do a mix of milo and whole oat. I am making a new spawn bag video to show my go to recipe after using it for 6 months now.
Very cool! Thank you soo much!
I wanted to like whole oats because of the price but ultimately had a lot of stalling with whole oats. Millet is my go to. Also with millet it's easy to see any contamination because millet is really light in color!
Milo is my go to. I just can't stand the smell of millet. lol
Hi Ashley. Thanks for this beautiful video. I'm fan of your videos. Would you able to help where to get spawn bags and grains? Where you buy them online? And instead of spawn bags is that possible to use reusable spawn jars? Thank you for your response❤️ with love 🍄
I get my unicorn bags from myersmushrooms.com/shop and my grain from the local feed store called Fenton Feed Mill. Yes, you can use jars.
I have never seen spawn go that quickly and I've been doing this for a decade that Milo is unbelievable I've never used it I wonder if I should try it
Hi Ashley, your video is really helpful, I have a question, did you touch the inside.of the bag when you were pouring?? It seems like so, so I can tell that I'm way to paranoid with contamination when opening and inoculating bags.
a couple questions:
1. what kind of sealer do you have? I have a Foodsaver, but have not yet used it.
2. do you make your own spawn bags? I see yours have AE patches? If i were to make my own, could you recommend a specific bag to purchase?
3. when you sterilize, you just fold the top over to close it off, and only open it when G2Ging? Then you seal (without vacuum) after you've inoculated them?
Thanks for your videos, they're very helpful! I look forward to your response!
You are the best! Thank you!!!
I'd like to see a 4th bag with a scoop of each grain. One bag to rule them all!
Isn't it harder to seal the spawn bag with the sealer when the top is wet after sterilization? Have you faced this issue? And in case the spawn bag were to be inoculated with a spores syringe, wouldn't it be better to pre-seal the bag before sterilizing it? I have head that can cause the bag to bust inside the pressure cooker though, but others do recommend doing so. Any advice?
Hello! Have you heard of people using deer corn? There used to be a guy on yt that used it but I can't seem to find his videos so it lead me to you lol I can't wait to try to grow myself! Your videos are way information and visually too!
Yes, people do use corn. Home Mycology use to have a corn video.
@@BoomerShroomer lol I'm watching you're videos rn 😂 🤣 thank you for responding! I can't wait to use your method to grow my own! I'm gonna try to grow to help my mother with MS!
I have 2 spawning bags given to me by my friend. it looks pretty dry and i'm doing it the way you do
Thank you for your great instructional videos! Where do you get your big bags of millet and milo, and is the millet hulled?
you should use unhulled, otherwise it'll turn into a mush
Great tutorial thanks. Do you think I could put colonized agar dish straight into grain bag.
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My presto 8qt is okay but lacks space.
Yes! It is so nice! You will love it!
Thank you for your very informative video!
I am new to this game so I may not understand how it all works, I don't know why everybody seems interested in the race for the fastest-growing spores. It would seem to me that the final production weight would be the most important factor in growing shrooms or growing anything for that matter so long as there is only a week or 2 difference to maturity.
What am I missing?
The best of best of its kind!
Thank you!
This is ingenious. I have an InstantPot, might try with that. PC's scare me and I'm not ashamed lol. Using an inoculated bag like that is next level
How did the use of instant pot turn out?
@@youngderks9499 at the time I couldn’t find enough supporting evidence in favor of the instant pot so I broke down and got the Presto 23qt pc. No regrets, not as scary as they used to be lol. I can’t tag it here but there’s a chart going around the net that does show times to use the IP for sterilization. Basically double the time.
Such a great video! What plastic spawn bags do you use that can survive a pressure cooker? I’m having issues finding any reliable ones
Any luck?
let me know too please!
Appreciate your effort
So nice of you. Thank you!
Amazing thank you for the effort !
Could you mby tell us how you made/or where you bought that laminar ?
You really helped me thanks ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Hey Ashley, now that you are doing liquid culture, have you considered repeating this experiment? I think the amount of spawn/LD added to each bag should be more precisely dosed to get the most empirical results. Also, the size of the grain create a significant difference between the empty space in the give volume. Seems like milo creates a sweet spot regarding the space the mycelium has to grow verses air exchange. There might be other factors involved, but my hunch is that each species of fungus might slightly prefer different grain sizes (and obviously each grain type or mix of grain/sawdust/wood species also play a factor in rate and vigor of growth). I wonder if rate of growth impacts quality/quantity of fruits. Have you read anything about this?
I am working on a new spawn bag video. Been capturing footage for months now. Should have something out in a few weeks.
i feel you on the little PC, mine only fits two quart jars on their sides kinda at a time so i’m often running it 3 times a day 😂 maybe i should try bags cause even one bag at a time would be better than 2 quarts lol
Or a get a bigger pressure cooker! That's what I did. lol 😊🍄😊
I am a very new on growing mushroom.
Instant pot works? Pro and cons?
Loved the video. Can you tell me where you buy your spawn bags please?
@John Joel If anyone is dumb enough to believe that crap, they’ll be ripped off. Enough said.🏹
Hey boomer Shropms
Could you make a video or explain here how to cook the bags so they dont burst, and explain why they burst?
Is the pressure cooker getting hotter than 15 PSI? My bags melted on my before when I had the pressure cooker way too hot. You want to try to keep it around 212F to 250F. If you get over those temps it will melt the bag. Can you reach out to me with pictures on Instagram?
helped a lot! thanks!
Glad it helped!
Is that a homemade flow hood? If not can you share a link? Love your video keep em coming I'm learning so much 😁🍄✌
Yes it is. I made a video on it. th-cam.com/video/18BDokELCM4/w-d-xo.html
Hello!
Love Your work!
Have a question. How can I storage Spawn Bags "for later" if I want to use them in a while? How long they can wait ?
This is a great question
I worked with a very small PC for the first one months. Lol. When I finally got my 26 QT one it was like being spoiled. 😂
Right! 😊😊🍄🍄
Thank you for this video one question I have can I use my Ninja Multi Pressure Cooker unit to sterilize my bags then my vacuum sealer so that I can make several bags to store for future use?
perfect. Now I just need one of those yellow cups.
Thanks for the video. How long can you leave a sterilized bag without being colonized? It’ll be hard for me to get them all done at once since my pressure cooker is small.
Hey Ashley. I'm starting my hand in doing spawn bags. I'm assuming you are using Unicorn bags. Which ones are you using?
Thanks!
Can I grow my mushrooms in a grain spawn bag? Or do they need to be transferred to a tub?
I read also gypsum lowers the ph which is important from what I've read
That’s good to know! I know it helps a lot! Definitely recommended.
Curious. On other grain videos (not a traitor ;) just looking all over for info lol) they mention the grain should be "dry" enough not to leave water marks on paper towel. Sorta like have the grain at field capacity. Now obviously your grains colonized and look great but I wonder if the excess moisture say in Rye doesn't matter but in the millet is does. Hypothesis excess water will connect more of the millet surface area stopping the mycelium from moving in that direction, slowing colonization? Like say if you inoculate a jar with water on the bottom, not good... right?
Just a thought, I know you want to maximize water retention to fruit as many as possible first flush and again you obviously have great colonization happening.
Great work as usual
As long as its not too wet.. with water pooling at the the bottom I have never had an issues. I only soak my grain for 24 hours then sterilize it. I don't cook my grain and I think thats where extra moisture comes in because if you over cook it, it can burst the grain which can cause more moisture. There are lot of ways to make good spawn bag.
Hello I am Jay I’ve been interested in theses videos for about a month but I was wondering could you make a video explaining the cost of everything for spawn bags mono tubs and everything else and if you do do you think you can add the store of the product
May i ask if the particular spawn bag you use is important or any heavier gauge plastic bag will do ?
Ashley. Luv the video. Question: my pins ate starting to grow, do I continue to keep sealed or open top to air out Keep in dark or expose to some light.? Thanks. Dave.
open the top, but keep mycelium moist at all times
I think the more experiments you do the more people can be confident in getting into mycology
What is the name of the bags? Where can you buy them?
hope your still responding to this page i got a quick question. your the only one i see doing the gypsum in the spawn bags and was wondering do we still add the gypsum in the coco/vermiculite the way you did in your other video or is it add gypsum to one or the other but not both? thank you for your time making these videos there awesome for a new grower.
It helps with the PH. I recommend it because it helps the grains not be so wet.
Nice work, just found your channel. Did you skip the drainage of grain? I noticed no boil but did you apply the exact amount of water during the soak? Basically did the grain not need draining of excess water?
Thanks.
Yes, I did drain the grain. Then I added the grain to the unicorn bag and sterilized it in a pressure cooker.
I drained it after the 24 hour soak.
@@BoomerShroomer thanks for the fast reply, I must have missed that.
Thank again 🥰
@@RedWolfRedWolfRedWolf No problem. I drain the grain at 1:59. It happens super fast! :-)
@@BoomerShroomer I can't believe I missed that hehe what a donut 😋
Love your uploads.
Take care.
I need so much help warming my spawn bags! In summer, it's pretty easy, but how can I do it in cooler months? I have a couple grow mats, ice been keeping the bags in a shoebox raised up about an inch off the heating pad. Feedback?
thanks for the video, i have a question about the spawn bags as you sealed them. doesnt there need to be some air exchange during the spawn process as carbon dioxide is formed by the mycelium?
Yes, there does need to be air exchange. There is a filter in the unicorn bags that allows for enough air exchange.
@@BoomerShroomer Ashley, can you provide a link to the bags you use? It's the one thing I think is missing from the shopping list you provide with your videos! Thanks!
Nice video
Question: I see that you did not spread your grains out on a screen before bagging. Is that intentional? Do you find it not necessary? I would like to avoid the screen drying step if possible due to a lack of space if I could. Thanks
hi!
From the video, it seems you did you not let you grain in the drainer for a long time. I thought you were supposed to let them dry for 2-3hours to avoid them to be too humid before sterilized them in the pc.
I get good prices on whole oat.
Can I make a mix of whole oat and something else and use also oat in the tub? Or just go with the Vermiculite, Perlite and Gypsum?
Thanks for the awesome video! Learning a lot! Do you have a link for the 3 lbs spawn bags you used? Thanks in advance! :)
myersmushrooms.com/shop/ols/products/10t-spawn-master-bag-3mil-2-micron-filter
The link that you sent.... I can't tell if they have a port on them. It doesn't show in the picture or in the description. Can you administer the spores with out one?
You can cut the top open and squirt them in the top. Unicorn bags sells then with the ports.
Since you used spawn to inoculate the milo, I realized it had oat in it. Do you think the milo would work without oat, using a syringe to inoculate? Thanks for the amazing content!!!
Yes, definitely
I cant find any videos about how to make your own bags and attaching your own injection ports and micron filters to like an oven turkey bag.
Can you use pasteurized manure or not? As a beginner grower I have found some premade bags on Amazon and they have that in them. Is there anything that should stay away from if growing medicinal instead of gourmet?
What size bags are best to buy for making a spawn bag and what should I look for in a bag
Another step in the process! You’re gonna be growing the grain before long 😆 vertical integration!
LOL Maybe one day! :-)
wait, what?? i don't get it?
@@TheLobesrm growing the grains instead of buying from another. Profit each step.
hi, i understand i should not be sealing the bags until after sterilised, but whats to stop the water in the pressure cooker getting into the bag ? thanks
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I did a g grain test and corn won over millet sorghum barley and rye. But maybe I dialed in the moisture better on the corn.
Cool. I just bought some corn! Was going to give it a try. Thank you!
Thank You for video darling :)
Hello once I sterilize my bags after pressure cooking if I don't have a spawn bag already ready can I use a spore needle and inject directly into the sterilized bags?
Gosh i love your voice 🤩
GPT recommends drying the grains a bit after soaking them for a day does it matter much whether you dry after straining them?
I got an all in one grain spawn I haven’t inoculated it yet, but I don’t know if I should refrigerate it because the grains are usually hydrated.
Do you have to use the injection ports on the bag if you’re working with a liquid culture in a syringe?
Where do you store a grain bag after inoculating? In dark or light? Do you keep it warm?
@Boomershroomer
At what point/stage should you a squeeze the substrate
grow bag for better, stronger, and more fruiting?
Or is that not important?
What do you mean? I don't understand.
Hello, Did you find it necessary to wash or do any prep work to your oats? The millet and milo seems clean as is, but my oats seems to have a lot of other stuff in them. Is that ok? And thanks again for all your hard work.
I did a lot of research to see if you should clean your grain and I ended up finding that you don’t need to. I just soak the grain for 24 hours, drain then sterilize for 2 hours at 15 PSI.
@@BoomerShroomer Thank you! I have been trying to clean it and that is a step I will gladly skip today. LOL
@@robbydockery1272 lol sweet!
Hi, im new. Could you do video of how to use spawn bag after fully colonized please. Any special steps to do not to do. Thank You
So do you not have to let the grain dry for a little bit? Or can you just drain them and put into bag straight away?
What vacuum sealer is that? And how will I stop the mushrooms from fruiting in the bag? Nice content
Send them to the monotub earlier. This is just a food saver and I only use the sealer part of it.
boomer would that cheap pressure cooker be better to use jars of spawn?
Can I send you pics of what I think are golden teacher mycelium that are ready to add to substrate? They've been going since 8/5/22. Or , can I talk to you in some way? This is my first time growing and feeling a little unsure...Thanks!!