How to Make a Monotub | Spawn Bag to Bulk Substrate | Casing Layer | Fruiting Mushrooms
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video you will see how to make a monotub. How to put your colonized spawn bag into the bulk substrate and how to add the casing layer to your mushrooms.
0:00 Basics of a Monotub
1:18 How to Make a Monotub
2:04 Colonized Spawn Bag to Bulk Substrate
8:44 Casing Mushrooms
15:44 Fruiting Mushrooms
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Thank you for this video!!!! You explain everything very well. How far up should we paint the tub, also how long does a normal grow take from start to finish? And go cards!!!!!
Daddy Dank Thank you! Paint the tub up to the top layer of bulk substrate. So about 2 to 3 inches. It doesn’t have to be exact. The whole process is about 2 months. 1 month to fully colonize the spawn bag, 2 weeks to fully colonize the bulk substrate.. then two weeks of fruiting. 🍄
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Little tip if you are using a hole saw cut the holes in reverse this will help prevent the cracking she mentions :)
If you really don't like side pins, painting the bottom of the tub will not prevent them. Side pins occur in painted-bottom tubs without _liners_ because the space between the colonized cake and the sides of the tub -- which develops as the cake shrinks a bit -- is a very good microenvironment for fruiting. It's not really not so much about light.
But a reasonably thin liner (like some cheap black garbage bags -- not thick contractor bags), will adhere to the side of the cake as the cake shrinks -- and therefore prevent that pinning microclimate from forming.
That polyfill stuff is so untidy. You can use micropore-type tape -- or better yet, you can buy pre-cut, circular adhesive micropore filters to neatly place over your holes.
Additionally, the very popular dung-loving species you're probably considering growing doesn't really need to be cased. Although opinions differ on that a bit.
Also, the holes in that tub could stand to be placed a little differently. Assume about 3" of substrate, side holes will be about 4 or 4.5" up. The holes on either end should be up higher than is depicted here.
Very comprehensive overview of these steps. Looks like it yielded good results.
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I am loving the dual screens. Gives a much better understanding of what’s happening. Thank you
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You are very kind to teach us and share all information I really appreciate it, thanks a lot
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Thanks for the video Ashley :)
In addition to the helpful info and demonstration, you also have a great positive energy and you're enjoyable to watch and listen to :)
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Thank you so much for your comment!
Awesome!. I've used this video and a couple of others as a reference / online textbook. Fantastic. Thank you!
I recently just came across your channel...and let me tell you you are absolutely so clear and detailed when it comes to growing shrooms!!! I appreciate you and your channel. I’ve come across many channels and not as clear as yours. You keep it short and simple. That’s what we need. We need simple. Many teks out there are just too much. I miss how mycology used to be very simple and you brought it back for sure! Now people have too many teks and the newbies get very thrown off by so much information.
Thank you for your comment! That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to do. I really appreciate it!
Totally agree. I've watched so many videos preparing myself to grow mushrooms but they weren't giving all the information as you have. I wish i found you sooner, I could have saved so much time.
Loving these videos! I’m learning a lot. Thanks for sharing
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thank you very much. Lots of info about the starting the bags but very little on fruiting. now I think I'm ready to start growing my own shrooms ;)
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Love your enthusiasm
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Thank you for this video. I am new to growing mushrooms. I just inoculated pf tek jars yesterday. This will be my first method. My next approach will be the Broke Boi tek to shoe box tubs. I will experience my success with this process first before moving to bigger monotubs
Best of luck! Thanks!
How'd it go?!
Learned a ton from this vid thank you so much!
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Yay! That’s so exciting! Send me updateds!
Did you end up growing any?
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Great video, very helpful. Thank you
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Great video but I would like to definitely let you know that the reason that side pins happen or because when the substrate colonizes it itself shrinks therefore creating microclimates that happen between the shrunken cake of mycelium and the walls of the tub so even though this happens will be small any light that hits the side of the tub and goes down will still fruit the bodies. A plastic liner will adhere to the side of the mycelium itself creating essentially a seal preventing a microclimate.
Thanks for this explanation. I've been doing research for a monotub grow and I understood that you need to prevent side pining, and I didn't know if I should use a liner or paint. To me, spray painting just seemed easier than making a liner, but you explained why a liner would be better. You saved me finding that out for myself.
Do I have to worry about side pinning if my tub is dark green green at the bottom? Should I still do the liner?
@@jahmezis45 that sounds like a HORRIBLE contamination
@@jahmezis45 or just colored?
@@ButtSauce666 lol it's just the color of my tray
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Thank you for this! It's an amazing help and the way you explained everything was perfect.
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New sub good work
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It's cute, you can tell she gets really excited talking mushies.
I have already spray painted the bottom 4 inches of my tub black and have a 3lb spawn bag. Should I use all of my spawn bag in one of my 66qt tubs? It's my first time, and I had to return 2 of the 3 spawn bags I inoculated due to holes in the plastic; after waiting two months I am nervous about putting all of my eggs in one "basket", especially after watching your video about making a liner. Also, how many days/weeks is my bulk substrate still sterile and usable? I put the lid on it 2-3 weeks ago when I made the substrate, but because I was going out of town for holiday I decided to wait before starting this process. The bucket has remained sealed the entire time. Thank you for your time, I love your videos!
Oh I thought this was just a build video nah this a whole science lesson
sweet video
Thanks!
Hey! How did you prepare the substrate?
Hey great video! I was wondering if vermiculite would work on its own as a casing layer?
Yes, it could but coco coir is better.
You have a heating pad linked. Please explain how you use this. under the substrate?
Safe for plastic tubs? Thanks in advance, Kurt
Hello boomer shroomer! I had a question ? When doing the casing layer field capacity is not the intent correct ? Just a good moist layer
Thanks for making such an easy to understand video. Ive known how to grow using growbags for awhile but want to try to get larger flushes.ive been putting the cake on foil on top of perlite in a fc.does anyone know a good place to buy bulk substrate thats ready to go online. im excited to try growing this way
Hi there, LOVE your videos!
Can I use the poly fill right from the get go instead of plugs? I made the northern spore mono tub and am ready to put my substrate and grain directly into it to colonize further. Thanks!
You can. Only problem it is won’t be as humid which may cause them to colonize a little slower. Also use a liner!
Maybe I’ll wrap Saran Wrap around the tub lol
Thanks again you’re a legend!
One more question! I have 6 lbs of spawn is that enough for two tubs? Thinking I might just do one for my first!
@@namesjames519 I think it might be enough for two. But you will get an even better flush if you put it all in one tub.
Instead of drilling i use a metal ring like for cutting pastry out and heat it up. I press it against the tub. Takes 3 seconds, no cracking.
Nice good idea!
Ashley what do you use to colonize your mycelium? I tried uncle ben's 90 sec brown rice to colonize and it worked fine for the most part. All bags fully colonized with 2 bags having some patches of green mold. I would like to use the same method as you because you have been my teacher through this lol. Thanks so much for all thw wonderful and fun knowledge!
No, don’t use them if they have mold.
Great vid! At the end do you just leave the jar of the mono tub ajar the whole fruiting period? Or can I close the lid and just open and fan 3 times a day?
First keep the lid on during the colonization stage (1st 14 days) and the open it up and fan and mist during the fruiting stage. Did I answer your question?
@@BoomerShroomer I think you did, really appreciate the response. I know you are busy. I will be following your way of doing things going forward. I just got my GT liquid culture done, next is grain inoculation. Keep up the good work. :)
Would you recommend the casing layer + sunlight for APE strain?
Did you do no fanning and misting (neglect tek) for your tubs during fruiting stage ?
Hi thank you so much for your video, got a question though, may I ask what is the ratio(weight) of your spawn bag versus the substrate? Thank you!
I usually use a 3 pound spawn bag and one recipe of bulk substrate in a 66 Qt monotub.
I use a 56qt. or so tub. 2lbs of spawn and 8lb of pasteurized Manure based substrate from Out-Grow. You need between 3-4 inches of spawn/ substrate after laying together. I find that closer to 4in is the best results. I’ve tried many different ratios and the best ones are the ones with 20% spawn grain and 80% pasteurized manure based substrate.
I love how she pronounced coir like "choir", as if it can sing lol
Do you put the casing layer (coco coir) on without pasteurization???
at 14:03 would it be better to get the co co coir at field capacity before adding?
For people who are having contamination problems. Bring your bulk substrate up to field capacity then put it into an oven cooking bag i use the big turkey bags. Put the bag on a pizza tray and into oven 205 degrees for 2 and half hours. When done let cool and drop this right into bottom of your tote and its already in its liner. Open oven bag pour in colonized grain mix it up trim liner to how u like and bam 💥. Then put tinfoil over top of substrat. In 10-15 days remove tinfoil and allow to fruit
Cool thank you!
@@BoomerShroomer thank you ma’am for the vid ❤️
In my book it states that if your bulk sub goes over 160f for more than a few min then u might as well start over. If you Google it says not to take it over 149f. To keep it between 140-149f for two hrs. I use Willy mycos paturization unit build and bring sub to 135 and shut stove off it climbs to 145 and I put in a cooler for 2 hrs.
@@ieatdirtbushcrafthuntingfi4067 if you don’t get over 160 degree which is pasteurization temp.. you might not kill off all the bacteria. I would be worried to keep it lower. There are somethings that can live through it. Like slime mold. I’m not expert but that’s what I’ve been reading.
Ashley! Have you ever experienced problems with casing with pure coco coir? I just cased with some spare CVG instead of my usual 50/50 casing tek and I’m getting anxious as to what will happen
No, pure coco is fine.
The polyfil has the same function as micropore tape, correct? Just for a bigger scale i guess it's more useful.
usually when they grow only on the outside edges leaving big bald spots it means contamination is coming. fun hobby non the less
They grew in the middle too.
If i have pinning in my spawn bag may i still do this process?
How do you heat the mono tub and keep humidity high
Hello, enjoy your channel, have a question for you..after you mix your colonized grain bag with your bulk substrate and then your substrate in the tub becomes fully colonized and your ready to start the fruiting phase, is it necessary to add that top layer of casing?
Depends on what mushroom you are growing. Some need a higher moisture retention on the surface and some don’t. APES and PES benefit greatly from a non nutrient casing. GT’s, Maza, B+ are very resilient and don’t need casings.
Great video! Im so confused by your name though lol does Boomer mean something different in the US?
If I put too many holes will it let too much humidity out ?
Did you sterilize the coco coir before adding it to the top? Also would Like to know if one should use micro pour tape for mycelium growth and then poly fill for fruiting?
Use propylene pore discs or micro tape
didn't expect the fruiting mushrooms to be psilocybe cubensis lol did not peg ashley as a psychonaut
After mixing the soil, after 10 heads, why is the bacteria bag prone to green mold?
@boomershroomer does my tub need to have a clear top to use lighting ? I’m doing it in my closet.
No, you just need a little indirect light. Not much.
Hi Ashley can I ask during colonisation phase should I keep me substrate in the dark for up to 1/14 days or do I treat the lighting conditions the same as when the mushrooms are fruiting ,,
And what temperature you recommend while in colonisation ,, many thanks
No, you don't need to keep it i the dark. I usually keep my house around 70-75F all year long. The tub will keep the correct temp and humidity all you need to do is fan out the Co2 at the bottom when you start to fruit. If it gets dry mist the sides. Don't mist directly. It will bruise the mycelium.
Idk if I missed it, but what ratio did you use of coco and vermiculite for the bulk substrate?
I use 500grams of Coco coir and 8 and half cups of vermiculite then I add 21 cups of boiling water, wait 24 hours then it should be ready to use!
Can I make a mono tub out of kitchen topper-wear?
Sure
Hello are you able to harvest the mushrooms that are ready to be harvested while others are still growing?
Yes! Most definitely. I usually have to pick them as they grow.
Hey thank you much! One question I haven’t seen anyone else using that last “casting”? layer I think you called it...the layer of coco coir over the fully colonized bulk+already cased substrate.
What’s the purpose aside from adding more humidity? Doesn’t it also then have to be colonized or the fruits push through? I feel like the fruits will only push through on the edges closest to air exchange OR does this help create the best microclimate across the entire surface?!
I have 4 more days on two tubs before inducing fruiting so I’m really curious!
The casing layer basically provides protection for the mycelium and added humidity. My last two tubs I did not add a casing layer and they are doing very well! If you are growing cubes I would recommend NOT using a casing layer. I am not sure what you are growing... But some mushrooms need a casing to grow.
Also, check on my instagram you can see my tubs that don't have a casing.
I have a question. Is there a point in time where you can’t add a casing layer? Is the window for casing only after the tub has colonized? Or can you case down the line like after a 1st flush per say?
Yes, there is time when you can add a casing when it is most beneficial. But could also add it at anytime and the mushrooms would possibly start to colonize it. I have been adding a casing when I first put them in.. So I mix the spawn an bulk together flatten it down and then add a half in later of bulk as the casing and go from there. I do not add a layer later on.
I have pinning right now before full colonization? (Maybe 20% thick white on top, fair ‘dusting’ throughout though) haven’t removed lid once. Should I wait few more days to add casing or now start fruiting process?
No, start to fruit!
I live watching your videos. So is this how u always are? I mean some ppl go all out and practically go full bio hazard is that not necessary?
Im guessing youre painting the sides to stop side pins? Doesnt a bin liner cut to shape inside give better results as it shrinks with the sub so stops micro climates?
Yeah I just use a black liner now and I think it works a lot better.
I cased my PE6 about 4 days ago with a basic 50/50 casing tek. The myc has seemingly begun to colonise the casing instead of start to pin. Is this normal? I have fruiting conditions in my tub and my pest moss/verm is non- nutritious and mostly inert I thought? Thanks
Yes, that is normal. Start to give it fresh air and it will fruit for you.
Question, do you leave your mono tub in the closet during the whole growing process? I am planning on starting a monotub soon & was planning on making my closet into its place. Was wondering if that’s okay ?
I saw a video of a guy putting it in the closet, but I wouldn't if you don't have the right light fixture to put in there.
Do you add lighting to your tubs?
Does the paint the bottom better than the black film you've used in your more recent videos?
No, painting the bottom does not do anything. You need to a liner.
I have another question. Since the monotub will be sitting in the house, how do you manage spores getting out and into your house? I know if you harvest the mushrooms at the right time, you can reduce the spread of spores. Will the polyfill take care of that?
I usually try o harvest before their veil breaks and that’s the best way to reduce spores. But I didn’t notice too many spores getting out of the Monotub.
@@BoomerShroomer thanks for the quick reply!!!!
Is it ok to have the lid off for that long
Can we use Microspore Tape to cover the holes instead of polyfil? Also, thanks for the superb videos!
Yes, definitely. Put one layer on the top holes and two layers on the bottom holes. Thank you!
@@BoomerShroomer Have you used Tyvek instead of micropore or polyfil? I've heard pros and cons and wanted your feedback because you seem to know what you're doing! :D
@@baddogmauka I’ve only tried polyfil but have been thinking about other options! Thanks!
@@BoomerShroomer Awesome! Love to see how it turns out. Keep up the great work and dialed-in content. You rock!
Hi Ashley, hope all is well. I wanted to get your feedback on using a Hydroponic Humidifier System with HEPA filter. I want to try and reduce the opening of the mono tub and possibly introducing any foreign pathogens. i am also adding ink bird humidity controller. by adding this will i need to still be concerned with Co2 build up in the tub? should I still fan it out? the idea is to make this where i do not have to mess with it often.
I just checked out that system you got! That pretty cool! Yes, you will still have to be concerned about Co2 at the bottom and will definitely need to fan it out daily. Could you reach out to me on Instagram? I would love to see pictures of your set up!
@@BoomerShroomer ok. Koop. Ty. while waiting on my second attempt of colonization of my spawn. I’m adding a few gadgets to my monotub for my research. So you know last time I I showed you my SB that had that contam. I think I figured out what caused it. This is my guess which I could be wrong For one I used the whole 10cc due I wasn’t sure the quality of the sample and I think all the liquid sat at the bottom and the humidity levels were high which caused a lot of moisture . So now I’ve been rotating the S.B. So the moisture doesn’t sit on the bottom or on one side to long. So far looks seems to be working. A week in and I see some Colonization starting to take place. We will see. As always thanks for the quick replies and feedback. Be well and Talk soon. 🍄❤️
@@mikea6747 yay that’s exciting!! First sight of mycelium! Congratulations!
I didn’t tape I went straight to polyfil, everything is great so far tried to put it in fruiting condition just 36 hours ago is it to late to case?
I wouldn’t case at this point. just let them fruit.
Hi Ashley 👋 does the casing layer need to be pasteurized and can it be substituted with vermiculite?
I don't use a casing anymore. You don't need it.
@@BoomerShroomer neat thanks for the reply I ended up watching your videos on rehydrating cakes and that looks really helpful!! Thabk you so much for the reply
Hey but... If a don't give it ventilation on incubation time of the spawn coweb forms inside 😔😔
So how much spawn/substrate do you use? For a 66qt tub, it looks like 3lb of spawn and approximately 5lb of substrate based on your previous video. Is this correct?
That's about right. I would say 2:1 or 2:2. It does not have to be perfect.
What do you call the thing you used to drill them perfect holes?
It's a 2" hole saw.
Are you using a 46qt monotub for your vids?
Can I use micropore tape instead of polyfill?
Definitely! Or plastic vents!
Why do you add just a little more substrate on top? Everything is theoretically sterile except for the mycelium. Since that’s already colonized wouldn’t it best protect against whatever might float through those holes? Would it dry the mycelium out before it colonized to its fruiting if it wasn’t covered with something?
No, you don’t need to cover them with a casting layer. But you can. When you start to fruit just spray them down and expose tot he air and they will start to pin. I’m growing oysters right now and they need a casing layer but next go around with cubs I’m going to try no casing layer and see how it goes.
What is the ratio of spawn bag to substrate? Like how much substrate would I need for a 1.5 lb bag of grain?
Looks like loads of substrate here. Like 3 to 1. Hopefully we get an answer
I don’t have holes in my box. Will it work?
Yes, but you might have fuzzy feet if you don’t have enough air circulation in the tub so make sure you fan your mushroom daily!
do you have central air so you can keep the temp within the good range...That's my only foreseeable problem...during the summer it can get up into the 110+s outside and 80+ inside with the window units on
That's fine. Mushrooms can grow in hotter temps. You can put a fan in the room to try to cool it down. But I do have central air.
@@BoomerShroomer Thanks...that relieves my biggest concern about pursuing growing Mushrooms at my home...
P.S. What do you that your thermostat set at and why?
@@matthewjacobs141 around 70 all year long.
@@BoomerShroomer And why 70?
Have you used uncle ben rice packs to spawn mycelium? I dont have a pressure cooker yet so I used a few of those to help stay sterile. It's been about 7 days since inoculation with spore syringe and its getting pretty fluffy. I need to know when to spawn to bulk and I hear people say it should be almost rock hard, but it's not even close to rock hard where it's almost solid mycelium. Any thoughts? Thanks for your videos!
I have not used those before but yes it should be a pretty solid block where you need to work pretty hard to break it a part for the montoub process. If you send me a few pics on instagram I can take a look and let you know more information. Also it takes about 30 days to fully colonize a spawn bag depending on how big they are. Hardest part is being patience. :-)
@@BoomerShroomer sorry I dont use Instagram. But it does help to know how hard it should be. I did a break and ahake today and I'll leave it for another week. It's not alot of rice in each of those bags so I'm sure I won't have to wait longer than 3 weeks. Thanks
@@shawnwillis7561 You could also email me. EndersAsh@gmail.com
@@BoomerShroomer I'm sure I'll have more questions. Thanks!
You should look up 90 second mycology. He pretty much exclusively use uncle ben rice bags.
Is it ok to sanitize spawn bag a 2nd time cause my friend opened one and stuck his nasty finger all in my spawn bag
Maybe… might be a goner.
Everything good. The only suggestion I'd make is not to paint the bottom. Instead, use black plastic liner in the tup at the same height of your paint. Cutting up a black plastic bag will do. I don't tape the bag to the inside of the tub because when the mycelium colonizes it sticks to the plastic, preventing less side pins.
Thanks
Air is a huge trigger. I do the same with a black trash bag. As the mycelium loses water throughout the flush it’ll stay clinged to the bag and prevent air getting down the sides