How to Make Sterilized Grain Bags for Mushroom Growing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มี.ค. 2022
- In today's class, I'll be going over how to make your very own sterilized grain bags at home from start to finish.
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Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I want to add a manufacturer's recommendation from Unicorn Grow Bags. Unicorn states that you should not "Gusset Fold" your bags and instead "Flat Fold" them. The way you folded the top of the bag before sterilization by folding in the gussets in before folding the bag down is considered the gusset fold. Instead you should flatten the opening of the bag with no folds and then fold it down and under the bag.
I can't believe I missed his videos on flat folding. I'm very happy you pointed that out. I will definitely be flat folding going forward with my bags.
Bro, thank you.
Curious, why would it make a difference between folds? Would it make sealing easier or is this for added grow room?
@@TearringNable The gusset fold means that your impulse sealer needs seal through 4 layers of plastic, making 2 seals, instead of 1 layer. This increases the risk of blowouts/leaks. You should also adjust your sealer so that you get a good tight seal in one pulse without burning the bag. Doing a second seal in a different spot is definitely a good idea.
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher can you tell me where you got your hood? This is a piece I'm thinking of either buying or making. Do you favor the bags over jars?
I started my journey into mycology about 15 years ago before youtube was really a thing. I had to read for hundreds of hours on the shroomery, and watch the couple vids RR had. Your videos are ultra clear and to the point. Simple teks explained very well without any bs that you don't need. I wish your videos were around back then
Same here. Thank you Sir PGT
But still john, thanks for all your research over the years. the last 15 years myco has come a long way.
@@adamxt3hxpwner oh fer sure. I hardly got into agar because you couldn't get supplies as easily back in the day. To start I had to go buy agar strips from an Asian market and grind it up with my coffee grinder lol. But now with Amazon and youtube it's cheap and easy. I'm excited to try the 2oz condiment cup thing. Also making a flow hood looks a lot easier now. Its amazing
And you usually got the worst advice ever on shroomery. I actually had to figure everything out by trial and error myself because the "tek" was always a failure.
@@LarsLarsen77 it wasn't too bad. Was able to grow more than I needed so everyone benefited.
I just want you know the things you put out there, the information you give, the tutorials you show, they save SO many people. You have healed many people, and will heal many more. Mush love
Word bro. Glad to see ya back in class!
Thanks for the videos mate! I’m finally getting back into cultivating after years of foraging 👌
Thanks for putting this up! As of this week I was curious about stepping it up with bags, so funny you upload right after my curiosities. The universe is running on all cylinders today
You're the man. You're videos are very easy to follow, too.
Thank you for posting a new video I'm so stoked to start trying my hand at gourmet growing. That and reishi and cordracepts eventually
Bags are awesome 😎 thanks for the idea about the screws!
You have a very kind soothing voice.
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i really like the mesh gate panel over the saw horses i'm gonna have to do that excellent!
I had problems with bags but i wasn't pcing them long enough...thanks for the info pgt
that is by far the most informative cannel about shrooms, like if you wanna start you will ONLY need that channel. amazing
Video I was looking for a few days ago 😂 crazy u just came out with it a few days later 👍🏻
Thank you for suggesting adding coffee grounds to the bag to soak of moisture. I didn't have any but I did toss about quarter cup of brf into each of my two pounds bags
Thanks for the video and knowledge I was just going to upgrade to bags good timing. I hope all is well
Thanks for all you do.
Thanks for mentioning why you leave the filter patch on the outside when you fold the bag to put in the pressure cooker!
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I am loving your videos! I am a newbie to trying to grow mushrooms. You are making it easy for me to get the growing experience that is needed to be successful. Thanks so much.
How did the grow go?
Thanks for the clear instructions and a great video. I grow oyster mushrooms and didn't know that I can put my grow bags into the pressure cooker.
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This was awesome info. As a mycologist I am looking to widen my skills with agar and grain bags. This video has me confident I can make sterile bags of grain no problem. 👍
Wish you the best on your journey! 🙏🍄
You taught me everything I know man!!! I’m doing an uncle Ben two right now then doing some mono tubs. Thanks for the new vids I was hoping to see some new stuff. One thing I’ll say is following everything to a T I still have trouble getting lots of pins. Only
One dubtub I’ve ever had pinned a lot. I have “gotten it down” in my head they just won’t pin across like all the videos do, even though most show the best results possible and don’t show the problem grows I feel like I get less than normal results… TIA!!! Mush Love from CO.
Have you been using a liner in your tub? He recently made a video about this and it made my grow 10x better
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Hey Sensei. Can you cover prepping the bags for fruiting - like where/how to cut the bag for the first and any subsequent flushes, things to watch for/avoid, etc? Thanks.
This isn't substrate. This is grain spawn. You don't fruit grain spawn unless it's a cordyceps fungi. You add the fully colonized grain spawn to substrate
Thank you for sharing this. I finally found a video I could easily understand and follow.
I'm glad it helps! 🙏🍄
Appreciate you my brother.
Chyea brah 🤘☮️. I'm sure oysters love it all but I've been doing bags with brown rice/millet. Wicked quick colonization.
And this guy is awesome so much helpful information
Thanks PGT, great stuff as always. Do you usually use LC in you bags or do you also use agar? Your agar videos got me hooked on working with agar but I've not used bags yet and was wondering if there are any tips. Thanks!
Good looks bro
Love the vid! Was curious what kind of laminar flow hood you use? Tried looking through your products used but didn’t see that at all.
Safety tip: You can use a butter knife to lift the vent for 10 - 15 sec to encourage sealing.
Very interesting.
Thank you very much.
TY! PGT
PGT! it's nice to see you back. I hope everything is going good for you. I'm just suggesting a video about all your supplies that you purchase. I have bought most of the stuff you have used and shown us, and it could help a new mycologist a lot. Everything I bought works great. Thanks for everything, man.
I'll add that to my list of video ideas. Thank you for the suggestion.
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher hello sensi. Can you help me with my rye ? Can I just soak the rye in cold water for 12 hours and then use it as inoculum? I'm new to mycology and you really helped me out. Thanks
Great instructional video!
Thank you! 😄
Great video Sensei. How long after processing in the pressure cooker are the bags considered clean and viable? How long can the be stored for at room temp or refrigerated? Thanks!
hey PGT, can you make a video on your room set up and stuff
Thanks so much for this! How long do these bags keep before you need to innculate?
Loving the lessons. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks Ohilly
Great vid! Do you have an idea on the grain to water ratio would be for milo?
Haha, I did the same thing with nuts and bolts to make a trivet 😄
Depending on the diameter and material of your holy plate, a bolt leg in the middle will prevent it from sagging under weight.
Use Aluminum.Or as I did You'll have a rusty mess.
I love your video. I noticed you didn't wash or cook the millet like you did for the brown rice. Is this because Millet is a small grain? TY. Theresa
Excellent. Thanks..!!
Awesome thanks!
Should i add gypsum to my grains while they soak? By the way. Your videos are an absolute godsend...
Thanks brother, your insight makes the process easier.
Thanks for all the good advice. Do you have a recipe for sawdust spawn bags using hardwood fuel pellets. There are several that have varying amounts of water, some with gypsum some not etc. Want use it to inoculate outdoor beds and reckon the critters would eat grain spawn.
You always release videos right after I try something for the first time 😂 You’re the man. Can’t wait to take a stab at this no soak no simmer millet tek. Can you do it with bird seed that’s had SF seeds poured off?
It's possible with birdseed, I personally haven't done no soak no simmer on birdseed with bags, but I have done it with jars. There will be a video coming out about no soak no simmer grains in the near future here.
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher Amazing, thank you for this! I've seen a few teks circulating that I want to try. It just baffles me that whole white millet is more expensive than bird seed. Thanks for all you've done for this community!
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Great video. Thanks for sharing. I apologize if you’ve already answered this question but how long do you let your millet soak in the bags after adding the water before putting them inside the pressure canner? Thank you very much. Your instruction style is GOLD!!🙏🏼🙏🏼
He doesn’t soak them per say just adds the water 9:29 after all it’s called “no soak millet”
If you dont have a Impulse Sealer for the end sealing, a vacuum sealer works if u press down a lil bit n do it like twice...
Also aluminum foil on both sides and an iron.
@@longfeatherlong8228 the wife's hair straighters with some paper towel also works great :)
It's not just the larger volume of grains that takes more time. The plastic bags are more insulating than glass is, that is they have a lower thermal conductivity. Even massive mayonnaise jars cook faster than even small bags.
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how long did you let the millet soak for?
ive always been fine pressure cooking oat jars for 1 hour.
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Does the micron filter pressed up against the plastic like that not prevent air flow too much?
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How do I prepare my rye ? I know I shouldn't cook it until it's broken but can I just soak it in cold water for 12 hours and then use it as a base for inoculum?
Just started my grow journey for the 1st time wish me luck ❤
If you're doing a grain to grain transfer, can you do that before you seal these up?
I wonder if you could use the same 1:2 water/grain tek in jars also.
I do.
Thank you.
Thank you as well for being a part of this journey! 🙏
If you're using millet, does it change the prep work for grain bags ?
Why do you run Millet without pre-hydrating, but not the Oats?
So I'm inclined, due to ease of access & your video supporting that brown rice is the best grain for spawning, to use brown rice. In this vid there's an opportunity to elaborate on what the language "Now here I have some oats [or interchangeable grain?] & bird seeds that I've soaked overnight with some hot water." This suggests the water was kept hot for a 7-8 hour period; how was this accomplished, assuming that language is accurate? There's a fan in the frame, was that used, post soak, to decrease overall moisture levels? If so, for how long? Inquiring minds need to now the minutia without a need to guess. :) Thank you!
What do you recommend jars or bags? I’m trying out making bags myself. 50/50 success with purchasing pre sterile bags. I like jars a little more.
Can brown rice be used? If so what’s the process? It will be for pink oyster liquid culture inoculation
PGT, greetings! If a grain bag is faulty after, pressure cooking, can it be rebagged and reprocessed? Rookie mistake, maybe: before sealing I opened the top and fluffed the oats from the outside. Then I doubled sealed it with my food saver. Did I infect it enough to need to reprocess or pitch? On top of that I pressure’d 3lb. Bags for only 90 minutes. Opinions and suggestions?
Where are you getting the bags from? I’m looking thru the link to all the equipment and can’t find the bags for purchase
Hey PGT I am following your broke Boi guide but I'm just looking for the next step placing them into containers after jars. Did it get removed? Where can I find it?
THANKS FOR SHARING MY FRIEND, the birdseeds hydrated in hot water ? or cold boiled water, For how many hours ? thank you and that you are very well,
can you use Black cow manure for mushroom grow bags
Will an Instapot work to sterilize? it doesnt quite get up to te same PSI but maybe extending cook time will help?
I have a quick question for you. I have a Crockpot pressure cooker. The manual says it goes up to 10psi. I know to sterilize popcorn for mushrooms it has to be 15psi. If I were to simply leave them in longer than 3hrs would that suffice?
Do you need to moisturize the millet like the oats?
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can use malt o meal for the medium. for spores
PGT thanks for this amazing video! Quick question - can you seal the grain bags before sterilization since they have a filter? Or is that an issue? I don’t have a flow hood so would like for everything to remain sterile inside. Thank youuuu! 🍄
do not do that watch the humble fungus no soak no simmer video!!
You don't want to do that. As the pressure changes within the bag, having them sealed up could cause them to blow.
Fold a flap at the opening of the bag and fold the excess bag around the grain like in the video. The flap will form an easy to open seal while being pressure cooked. Now you don't have to worry about sealing the bags until after you inoculate the grains, unless you're just using a bag clip.
It is absolutely possible to do, but you have to use a 0.5 filter bag and you have to remove ALL of the air from it before you put it in the PC. You also have to put a plate on top of it and make sure it's not touching the walls at all. So basically you can only do one large bag, with maybe 6 pounds of grain per run. You also have to cook it for way longer because bigger bags are thicker and take longer to heat up in the middle.
If you seal after the PC you can fit more than twice that much grain in per run. My flow hood is way too small (10"x10") to seal bags with, so I just do it in dirty air. If you use bag clamps it's really easy. The bags come out with the vacuum seal holding the plastic together, so nothing will get in. Heat sealing can be a problem because of moisture, but a clamp will have no problem pushing the moisture out of the way, and you can always heat seal it later when it dries out and remove the clamp.
So hey PGT is there no need to soak millet ?
Do you cook your rye before you you put them in the bags ?
I am a new sub and will try some of your methods this weekend. What are some good edible mushroom strain that are easy to grow at home. Cubes for sure but was looking at others if I plan on making a big batch of grain spawn
My hubby is growing Lion’s Mane…. It’s currently fruiting, and we haven’t had this much fun in years. It’s like Christmas morning when we get up everyday, to check on them. Tbh, just watching the life cycle of fungi has probably done more to lift our spirits over the past month, than the pharmaceuticals we’ve both taken for years. Safe Travels!
@@tyrannosaurusgirl1612 -- it's really satisfying, isn't it? I said to a friend recently, you don't just get the "fruit of your labours" at the end (although that's a great motivator), you also get to see quick turnaround in terms of your effort within 2-8 weeks.
@@planetofthegapes most rewarding hobby EVERRRRR!!!!!
If you have millet mixed with bird seas, do have a different water to millet ratio than shown in this video?
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Is there a link for the bags you are using?
Millet works to colonize magic mushrooms ? What do you think is the best best best food for colonize ?
i had tryed rice, but have problems with the exact cooked point :(
Have you tried the no soak oat tek? - it's by far the easiest tek I've tried so far.
2lbs of oats, 1.5lb water in a bag and pc for 2 hours. So simple and effective
If Your Not PC'ing for 2 hours and 30 minutes Studies show that is the perfect Time, Not 90 minutes not 2 hours 2 hours and 30 minutes At Least.
@@markchick8385why is that? Can some stuff survive if it’s under 2hr30m?
Hey, where do you get millet?
what size pressure canner do you have?
Im new to grain bags. Am I correct by saying with the "no soak no simmer" method that you dont need to leave the millet to soak the water up for 24hrs prior to sterilizing? you can just add the water to the millet in the bag and sterilize straight away?
I know this is old but I just thought so if you had jars of liquid culture couldn't you pour some in after its sterilized and cooled before you seal so it colonizies way faster?