A Meat Eater's Case For Veganism
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The issue of veganism may well prove to be the defining moral issue of our time. I don't want to win you over with graphic footage or impersonal statistics, but with mere moral (and political) philosophy.
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My previous discussion on veganism with Steve and Rachel: • Let's Talk Veganism: w...
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Ursula Le Guin, The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas (read online): libcom.org/files/ursula-k-le-...
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Introduction: 0:00
Part One - 'Name the trait': 3:02
Part Two - Pain receptivity: 7:58
Part Three - John Rawls: 10:55
Part Four - All animals are equal: 14:42
Conclusion: 20:50
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REDDITORS: I am as surprised as you are. I've been told that some vegans worked together to produce a QR code on r/place that leads to this video. This was nothing to do with me. So, if you feel conned into being here, please don't dislike the video, it's not my fault! If you decided to watch the video, then thanks, and welcome to the channel!
It's a digital canvas hosted on reddit. A vegan group drew a QR code that linked to this video.
R/Place is a reddit where ppl can draw stuff with pixels each person can place one pixel every 5 minutes and there was an QR code and it redirected some ppl to this video
reddit event, vegan activists put up a qr-code to this video to share the message
Someone made a QR code of the TH-cam link
It's a aprils fools on reddit, where you get a huge canvas, and every 5 minutes you get to set the color of one pixel on the canvas.
A group has gone together to make a Qr-code one the canvas that leads to this video
I am 70. I have lived with these notions in the back of my consciousness all my life. I have never done anything to change my habits in all that time because a) I believed the alternative was unhealthy/less healthy and b) there was no pressure for me to do anything about it. More recently I have discovered a) a balanced vegan diet is possibly the most wholesome diet available and b) vegan diets are very much better for the environment. So I flipped. No more meat for me. No more moral double-think.
Kudos to you! It's never too late to do the right thing.
wow! that’s amazing
it's never too late to change :) You are great!!!
It takes a strong mind to change after all that time. It takes a very vivid mind to change that aspect of your life at 70. You sir are more alive that most people of my age, best of lucks.
Ever considered how many animals are killed in factory farming your vegan food?
To be honest I was 99% sure I would be rickrolled by this qr code. But this is a pleasant suprise great video 👍
Glad you liked it, it's an important matter. :)
Me too
Same here
Same
Same
Bro you just got the biggest advertisement for your channel. It’s a reddit thing where everyone places pixels and makes images. Some one put a QR code and it happens to link to this video!
I remember taking a nap on the grass at my college and being annoyed at some vegan on a megaphone nearby...after a while of being forced to listen I thought “damn it, he’s right.” But my justification for continuing to eat meat/LIVE via cheese was that ‘striving to be morally perfect is an unrealistic goal’ or something like that...
About 7 months later I aligned my actions with my moral values, and I like myself better for it. (Plus, my severe acne disappeared!!)
Lina C., well good for you
Birbs4Life - Critical Ops thx
Lina C., no problem :)
Love this Lina 👍 same on the acne front - that certainly was a nice side effect!
If dropping meat will cause my acne to fuck off then sign me up
Thanks for opening my eyes to new angles. It hasn’t been something I’d really thought about until now.
Thank for helping end the Animal Holocoust. All the info on Vegan is on Gary Yourravsky talk The Greatest Speech Ever. It's here on TH-cam. Watch it now.
th-cam.com/video/_K36Zu0pA4U/w-d-xo.html
We've all been there, going along until someone opens our minds to think about it all. For me it was a dvd called Meet your Meat, that was it, went vegan that day lol
Scarlett Richards
Virtually every vegan I know or have met (that would be literally many thousands) were just like you at one time......I'm no exception.
For 26 years of my life I was a carnist (I don't mean that in any pejorative manner) and it wasn't till I was first confronted with the notion of going vegetarian through a conversation with my then girlfriend that I even began to think about animals in a different way from how I was culturally conditioned to think of them.
At first I immediately dismissed the idea out of hand because of the same reason most carnists are taken slightly aback by the idea of themself going vegan.....that reason being the cultural conditioning that we are subjected to since we are infants.
That cultural conditioning relentlessly imbues upon us norms of behavior which are not necessarily morally responsible. It is that same cultural conditioning that in previous generations permitted most people in our culture at one time to believe that it's okay for black people, women, and gays to be seen and treated with less value than those who were responsible for instilling those views into us through various means including laws that didn't afford protections against unjust treatment.
Today, it is a much better situation for blacks, women, and gay people......but not for those innocent individuals whom just happen to have been born a different species of animal than the human variety.
At 26 years of age, struggling to loosen the chains of my own cultural conditioning, I began to challenge that (my) conditioning and the warped perceptions that were a consequence of that cultural conditioning (such as that I can't be healthy without consuming animal products.....and that the purpose of animals is for humans to use and exploit them for whatever person perceived or real (e.g. economic) benefits we can concoct)
. I read, and researched, and listened to others whom had already broken free from the shackles of cultural conditioning (they were vegans).
Going thru that challenge was the greatest awakening I've ever had.....and it led me to one undeniable fact: that there is no moral justification for my complicity in using and harming other animals.
For the past 27 years now I've been a woke vegan. Every year that passes I feel stronger and more clear thinking.
I encourage you to do research and reading and listening to the voices of people who have liberated themselves from the shackles of cultural conditioning and the cult like carnist beliefs that have been ingrained into us from a very young age.
Ask as many questions as you feel you need.......all the answers are already out there.
Thank you in advance for having an open mind and for looking to widen your circle of moral consider to include even the animals bred for profits to be killed and served up on dinner plates.
I prefer to enter society as fried chicken. Yummy.
I think this topic is something that when people start thinking about and looking into, it actually opens people's eyes. Yeah the media likes to scold them, the average person likes to joke about their steak and bacon and vegans generally get all kinds of labels. But that's just what they're being painted as.
If the topic has more of a presence in your life you'll definitely think about it more and question your actions more and more each day. If you actually research the industries, what vegans stand for and all the nutritional stuff, you'll likely find yourself becoming vegan as a result. People like to frame that as the brainwashing but, look at what you've been told all your life... wouldn't you consider THAT the brainwashing? THAT the belief system put in place?
Those are very strong and sound arguments for veganism. I bet this guy is going to have a great career as vegan activist, especially after coining such a great quote: "Extraordinary suffering requires extraordinary justification"
When I read Alex' statement, for a second I hoped it was April 1st. I'm really interested in the details of his change of mind. At the same time I hope he won't spread false information about a plant based diet. He was so passionately engaged in this topic, speaking out for animals very often with a lot of conviction. I really believe him, that he meant it. Still it's sad, he had trouble feeling healthy. Alex does think deeply about things and it's open to change his mind. Maybe some day he will change it again.
@@squeegybeckenheim2489 I genuinely checked if it was April 1st.
“Great career as a vegan activist”
“I’m a vegan” (Cosmic Sceptic).
“I love animals” (Cosmic Sceptic).
“But I’m not sure if I’d nuke all the animals if I left Earth” (Cosmic Sceptic)
“Religion is bizaaaaarre” (Cosmic Sceptic)
Oh the irony is killing me!! He would definitely have a very lucrative, “great career” as a British politician!! The irony is that we, that is the British people have to deal with this “bizaaaarre” posh British accent from conniving, deceitful politicians on a daily basis! So this accent is not impressive or convincing to us at all because we have a lot of history with people from this elitist background who pick up this posh accent when rubbing shoulders with the rich and powerful in the South of England!!
Being British, I have to listen to the “bizaaaarre” members of parliament noise and the “bizaaaarre” noise from the House of Lords in England. What I find most “bizaaaarre” is why in the world anyone would trust what someone is saying is intelligent, genuine and trustworthy just because they have this posh “amiable” English accent!!
The double irony and what is truly “bizaaaaarre” is that Cosmic Sceptic has now totally deserted the thousands of vegan fans who built up his patreon subscription as “Cosmic Sceptic” became so “sceptical” about his own fans vegan lifestyles that he is now actually not even a “vegan” anymore!! Which basically makes him a Judas in the eyes of the vegan anti natalist community!! What a surprise!! You couldn’t write this stuff!!
“Extraordinary suffering requires extraordinary justification”
I look forward to hearing Cosmic Sceptics “extraordinary justification” for shunning veganism. I’m sure he’ll manage it as he’s a very “extraordinarily” experienced propagandist, particularly when it comes to sharing anti religious Soviet hate propaganda left over from the Cold War!!
Source/Reference: th-cam.com/video/4WaIlxKan0g/w-d-xo.html
So just don't eat meat from processed meat factories. And just eat the eggs from your backyard. It's not hard to be ethical call not being vegan. You guys have a black & white view of reality..
Together with the all arguments against veganism ted talk by Ed Winters, this video made me go vegan. This is a good explanation of the ethical arguments without using any animal footage. No gore, no emotional plays, just the philosophical moral arguments. Anybody willing to introspect to himself and honest to himself will (I think) come to the same conclusion.
Watch this, think about it. Try and apply the same scrutiny you would apply to this to your own ideas. Is it worth it? Is it really worth it? Be honest, go vegan.
this is literally what happened to me. I was the biggest meat eating edgelord until I watched a couple of these videos and actually forced myself to sit and seriously think about it for like 10 minutes. Now I've been vegan for just over a year
@@naitsirhc2065 Flippin poggers!
I've watched it, thought about it and concluded I really don't care. I'm not being edgy, just honest. Perhaps I'm in the state of cognitive dissonance because I also smoke despite knowing it's bad for me. I love animals but also feel zero guilt about eating them.
My point is, humans aren't Vulkans from Star Trek, purely rational, led by logic and sound arguments.
I think emotional appeal would actually convince way more people than moral philosophy.
Btw, the strongest argument in my opinion, is the environmental one.
@@alexlarsen6413 The evironmental argument would not stop people from eating meat, but just reduce their consumption.
@@alexlarsen6413 Do as you please but don't ever contradict yourself like that, you don't love animals.. period
Just stumbled across this video this morning, I wasn't ready for the force of the arguments you made. Even without any images of suffering, with only reasoning, I cried a little by the end. You leave no excuse for me to continue benefiting and encouraging the suffering. Thank you for opening my eyes and mind.
Thank you for a being an honest human. You won't regret it. My only word of advice is be 100% sure you are eating enough calories. It really helps to use chronometer and weigh your foods for the first month or so. Also black and french green lentils are a fantastic dietary staple for ensuring you consume enough protein if you are worried about that sort of thing.
Welcome to the V-gang!
awesome Cameron! how is your Vegan Journey going? ☺
You are a weak minded individual. Why on earth would you cry over this? An animal's life is objectively worth less than a human's craving of meat. Don't drag moral philosophy into how people choose to sustain themselves. Otherwise you're no better than the herbivorous lesser beings that call themselves vegan. Grow up.
@@harukasatou1359 An entire life of a sentient being's suffering is worth less than a few minutes of pleasure?
Imma press X to doubt that man.
And if we shouldn't drag moral philosophy into food, why should we drag it into anything else?
If you use this to discredit vegan arguments despite not needing to consume animal products, shouldn't you say "don't drag moral philosophy into how people choose to have fun" when someone kicks dogs for fun, despite not needing to do so?
You're already a vegan philosophically, all that's left is switching your diet so that it aligns with your morals/logic. Cheers for being intellectually honest.
Diet and lifestyle - veganism isn't exclusively a diet.
@@thomasshukla304 You're right
1999 he’s not he said in his debate with IP that he’s a moral non-cognitivist but then he said in his channel that morality is subjective which made him a moral subjectivist. He didn’t label himself as a moral ninilisn though his meta-ethical stance is quite similar.
Peeve Me the diet that causes the least harm to animals is eating grass fed cows. Animal products are also way more nutritious for humans than plants, so you don’t have as much human suffering either. 😀
Yeziu what is non-cognitivism but agnostic nihilism?
I saw this video pretty much on release date, only months after I went vegan myself. It was a cathartic experience, seeing Alex eloquently defend veganism through reason and well put arguments. Now I'm seeing it again, and it's almost like turning vegan again. Well done, Alex, and I hope your channel keeps on growing.
Hi Suki, I did not find the arguments in this video to warrant veganism except the ability to suffer, but that would require a form of consciousness.
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If you don't beleive in god then there is no real arguement for why I should be moral. You can say "we should do this because its moral" yes it might be moral but you haven't made an argument for why I should be moral in the first place. I don't eat other humans because I don't want another human to eat me. But a cow provides no benfit to me other than for me to eat it
You can't get rickrolled on purpose. You have to get to a video you didn't expect, and this here is a fantastic one to watch on top.
Do you agree with the points made in the video?
Yes!!
One of the best, if not the best, video I’ve seen on the ethics of veganism, made by a meat-eater. I did not expect that. Thank you and I really hope you decide to act accordingly.
t. vegan
Watch Carneval's response, and you'll see how poor this video actually is.
Sy_ Maybe I’ll watch that, out of curiosity, but I don’t think anyone needs a response video to tell them what they need to think about this one. Ethics and logic are solid, or they’re not. I think this right here is super solid. In any case, I’ll come back here with my thoughts after I’ve had the chance to watch the response you mention.
@@birKOoOo Ethics and logic is not solid, that's what I'm saying. See you around.
Sy_ After watching it I can only say that you and I definitely have a different idea of what a “solid” argument is. Thanks for your suggestion though.
Going vegan was one of the best decisions I've made, and one of the most unexpected.
Kay Lee .........100% agree.......healthy VEGAN here for more than 27 years
@@LouisGedo that's nice to hear, I'm not vegan yet.
It's mainly because I was afraid of the health costs.
But I did give up beef along with never eating pork due to my Islamic upbringing.
I eat halal even though I'm atheist
@@AliJr_MetalGames_MetalGuitar
Eating healthy whole foods plant based is actually not necessary expense. Some of the poorest people on the planet eat no meat and I know people who are on public assistance (meaning they subsist on very little money) who are entirely plant based.
If you want to eat Beyond Burgers every day, then yes, that will be expensive. But a simple whole foods plant based diet can be relatively inexpensive.
@@LouisGedo thanks for the ideas, I'm gonna be in a band soon so I'll need to minimize.
You might have just helped me with that, I'm 17.
@@AliJr_MetalGames_MetalGuitar Hey I'm an Ex muslim and I'm 17 too.
I can only eat halal because if I don't, it might raise suspicion that I am not a Muslim anymore.
Apostate execution is supported by the majority of my country.
01:10 “Don't worry, my channel is not turning into a veganism advocacy channel or anything”.
Narrator: It indeed was turning into a vegan advocacy channel.
Good to see you here lmao
now only if it would stay that way :3
Not anymore unfortunatey
_Soytheist making this comment_
Narrator: It indeed turns out that after all, this channel was not turning into a veganism advocacy channel
Why was this video on a qr-code on r/place?
It's animal rights activism
As someone who went vegan at 10, and alone, I know it is daunting but I had educated myself and I just had to put it into action.
You are a fucking Boss!, what a character you must have to take that descicion at that age. I hope i would have take that one sooner, cheers to you.
I went vegan alone around the same age, I’m glad there are more of us then just me, and I hope we can continue to show meat eaters that the issue at hand is so simple, children can figure it out👍❤️
This really interests me. How did your families react? Were they supportive or was it a lot of resistance?
@@Ermude10 I got lucky when I went vegan my whole family did as well. Was a really nice transition for me.
If you don't beleive in god then there is no real arguement for why I should be moral. You can say "we should do this because its moral" yes it might be moral but you haven't made an argument for why I should be moral in the first place. I don't eat other humans because I don't want another human to eat me. But a cow provides no benfit to me other than for me to eat it
I can't even begin to imagine the amount of potential this guy would have as an animal activist.
Mikkel Sørensen yes he would be amazing he is very intelligent and has a very clear voice
Mikkel Sørensen - not if I’m on the opposite side. Actually scratch that, he won’t have any impact because granted philosophy is his strong suit, he seems to not understand biology and economics, and natural way of the universe. Or simply ignore them to support a childish ideology.
He is not going to be an animal activist but at least he is honest and rational about it
Jeremy Dang - hopefully rational enough to realize how bad the idea is outside of philosophy
@@MugenTJ it's not bad , the argument for practicality has been refuted time and time again. There is no valid reason to go vegan other than taste and economic reasons . But even then if veganism become popular plant based food will get cheaper
If you're on the fence on veganism I suggest watching the "Dominion" documentary on TH-cam.
Truly harrowing and grotesque shit.
@@fanwee5048 truth matters
I’d also recommend cowspiracy, what the health and game changers
Cring
@@wyliehjwasn't What the Health kind of a scam
I scaned a QR code on r/place and it got me here.
Alex, don't let anyone come at you for not being vegan while you ask questions. It took me about a year of discussion, thinking, documentaries, reading through research, youtube videos, etc before I even attempted it. Prior to that, I was a heavy red meat eater and damn proud of it. 4 years now, and I feel great and spend less on food, easily meet my high protein and calorie requirements (160g, 4000kcal)
Best of luck as you explore this topic. I recommend Mic the Vegan for the science, Ask Yourself and Earthling Ed for the rhetoric, and 100% Vegan Products UK and Vegan Food UK on Facebook for the practical side of being vegan in the UK, even if you only decide to switch a few products or meals out
It took me about 3 months after making the choice.
Mostly because I had a bunch of frozen pizzas in the freezer and i couldn't justify throwing away food.
@@bbqseitan7106 Hail seitan, brother
How do you get 160g of protein on a vegan diet? Genuine question.
@@danielkoschalka3955 substitutes.
@@danielkoschalka3955 peanuts, beans
Thank you so much Alex. I feel like the philosophy of animal rights and veganism is hugely underrepresented in the intellectual/philosophical communities even though it is ( as you point out yourself ) probably one of the most important topics.
I agree! It's nice to see! Hiith made a video on veganism a few weeks ago too :) th-cam.com/video/fe9s9SoLk8w/w-d-xo.html
That's because the majority of people don't give a shit about ethics and don't care about the suffering of others, so making ethical appeals is simply not broadly effective at converting people. So influential vegans tend to focus on appeals to health and the environment, because those arguments appeal to the selfishness in others. People are inherently selfish and want to do things that better their own lives. So if you tell someone that by going vegan they can lose weight and live longer it's going to be more effective in changing their mind.
@Atheist first! Happy Heathen! triggered atheist neckbeard detected "EVERYTHING THAT ISNT HUMAN HAS NO VALUE OR WORTH LOL DUMB VEGANS" wow bro such deep much insight
@Atheist first! Happy Heathen! Who said non-human animals deserve the right to vote ? Humans grant rights depending on the relevant traits of an individual. A pig doesn't understand the concept of voting or politics, therefore it doesn't deserve the right to vote. The same goes for a human child or a dog. What a human child and a pig (and a dog) have in common is the ability to feel pain & suffer as well as the will to live. Therefore those individuals deserve the right to live and bodily integrity. Did you understand the concept of " name the trait" ?
In the Netherlands we have a political party that is called partij voor de dieren (party of the animals).
I'm already vegan but I just wanted to say this is a really solid video laying out arguments for veganism.
Exactly what I came here to say!
Me too and I really do wonder what his stance on it is now, once you seriously consider veganism it is often an inevitable path
Me too and I really do wonder what his stance on it is now, once you seriously consider veganism it is often an inevitable path
I have been vegan (whole food plant based) for a year and a half. I have beaten IBS in 2 months and retinal vasculitis in a year… I struggled for years with these. I have now my life and happiness back 😊.
@@relaxo2739 This is great :) before going vegan it can seem daunting but once you're there it's incredibly fullfilling, I've rarely met other vegans who don't feel much happier and healthier having transitioned!
man i saw this on r/place thinking it was gonna be a rick roll
I was about to sleep but Alex is a better priority
But can you make an objective case for that ;?
We all agree that CosmicSkeptic is a priority, therefore, even though it fundamentally is subjective, we can treat it as an objective fact that we ought to set the priority to be this channel over sleep
@@evelynindge7581 Nah man you're appealing to popularity. Still, I also put CosmicSkeptic as a priority ;)
@@Aperfull Alex made that point in his atheistic moral subjectivity video😂 (correct me if that's a strawman) as a caveat to his main argument, that's what I've been using to justify moral actions since 😂
Have a good sleep.
"I'll ask you another question. If you were on a desert island with two humans, one is elderly, frail and disabled, the other youthful, intelligent and talented, and you were about to starve, which person would you eat?" - You're fine Alex, I won't eat you ;)
DAMN THIS WAS SAVAGE, also you should really talk to ‘Ask Yourself’ about veganism
Aw man
Lol nice. 😂
Neither cause cannibalism is cannibalism regardless of hunger
How did u comment this 14 hours ago?
Just randomly screenshoted the r/place and got here wow
And what are your thoughts on the video?
anyone else here from r/Place?
Yeah, thought I was getting rick rolled again lol
Me and my girlfriend became vegan because of you. What a great man. Can't wait to see how much more you will influence our world for the better in the coming years
Veganism isn't an influence for the better. Morality is subjective and some people are going to have different opinions. Veganism turns people toxic towards eachother. If you don't want to personally harm animals, fine. Just please don't act all high and mighty.
@@Elrog3 I guess that's your opinion? I never acted all high and mighty. I think a lot of people assume vegans do that. And about morality, I disagree about it being subjective. Kinda.
@@fbarnea I didn't meant that your comment had that attitude. That last sentence was just preemptive.
@@Elrog3 that's ok, I didn't refer to the comment either. I mean in general, when it comes to veganism I don't act all high and mighty. I've been vegan for a fraction of my life so it would be weird to have that attitude. I think the typical toxic vegan who wants to convert everyone is nothing more than a stereotype. I will admit sometimes I get a bit frustrated and angry that we sit here and discuss philosophically while billions of sentient beings are being tortured and murdered. But hey, can't really do much about it.
@@fbarnea did you know plants can feel pain? It’s a different system, but pain equal to that of any Animal. There are even studies that suggest that they communicate it to each other. Does that mean you should stop eating all together? After all, why is your life worth more than corn, or broccoli. It is not worth more than for any reason than they are not human and not you. This Alex’s entire argument rests on the fact that animals are treated cruelly, and while it is possible, it is not a prerequisite. Cows are killed painlessly (spike through the skull) and I have no idea how chickens are killed. The point is, morals and survival have about as much to do with each other as practicality and questioning wether humans exist. Destroy the meat industry, destroy hundreds of human lives.
Just came here to say that this video actually made me consider veganism four months ago, and two and a half months ago upon further research and interest I actually did go vegan. 😊
Sweet :-)
worst decision in your life. There are only three kinds of people who go vegan:
- people who didn't do enough and proper research into the topic
- stupid people
- delusional and mentally ill people
Ethics and morals are irrelevant when it comes to food and a diet, if you mix these things up, then you are on straight path to delusion, mental illness and religious fanaticism. If you are basing your decisions solely on emotional response and not on an objective assessment, facts and scientific evidence, you are a weak and gullible person that has been brainwashed by vegan / plant based propaganda. Your food requirements are dictated ONLY by your physiology and biochemistry, and not because of what you think is good for you, and not because of some false ideology. This whole sentence debunks and completely invalidates the entire vegan / plant based movement and exposes its core and roots as nothing more than a false ideology / personal belief system that is simply not grounded in either reality or science.
@@mello.b3373 get the fuck outta here 😂😂
IM PROUF OF YOU
@@spongebobsquarepants3851 awww thank you very much 😊
never has this title been more accurate
Why did someone put a QR code linking to this video on R/place
Because it seems like an important video
It was a Rick roll at some point but it looks like it got sabatoged, 1 wrong pixel and the url changes
@@pickeljuice9325 no, the rickroll QR code was somewhere else entirely. This is a different code
Forget your Singer, forget your Camus, forget even your Alex. It was that little girl in the “I Won’t Eat Animals” video that swayed me. She just told her mum, through teary eyes, that she just won’t. She’ll eat anything that’s put on the table, just not animals. She reasoned that animals don’t like being put in the oven. Fair enough. No need for big-brain time little girl. You’re right, god bless your pure heart.
I completely agree. It really is that simple
Alex. I believe this is one of the most important and impactfull videos you have ever made. Thank you. As I am sure many others have offered to do, I would be extremely happy to help you in your practical journey towards a vegan diet. Much love bro! Keep being a voice for reason, logic and morals, we need more of you out there
Shoutout to /r/vegan for promoting animal welfare and the expanding circle
I thought it was kind of silly to push this on /r/place but I'm very surprised to see so much positive attention here. Activism DOES make a difference. Don't be afraid to be a voice for the voiceless.
If you don't beleive in god then there is no real arguement for why I should be moral. You can say "we should do this because its moral" yes it might be moral but you haven't made an argument for why I should be moral in the first place. I don't eat other humans because I don't want another human to eat me. But a cow provides no benfit to me other than for me to eat it
I do believe in god @@Hjh826
We need more videos like these that challenge societal thinking
You can’t unsee the truth. You are where I was 3 years today. Been vegan 3 years now.
same here. I had so many questions, so many arguments I was taught my whole life and felt like veganism was so flawed and not doable. I became vegan on my 19th birthday, and its been 2.5 years since that day.
Aye I am also 3 years as of this month lol
3 years as well here 💯
6.5 years vegan myself 💓
Almost nine years here.
I came here from r/place, to be honest I was bored and I just kept watching the video and in the end I found this whole conversation to be really intriguing. Definitely worth a watch! I never thought about these things. Thanks to whoever put that QR code on r/place! This channel is a gem!
He has some amazing videos on this channel. If you're interested in philosophy, he's a good youtuber to watch
Glad you found it intriguing, I hope you consider going vegan. It's not as hard as it seems! :)
I applaud you for taking the time to watch it. So many people close their minds down to maintain their world view. Hope it gave you some food for thought!
You’re a gem, you’re very open minded which is a rare quality🤝
I thought it was a rick roll xd
Anyone else find this through r/place
Yes lol
Anyone else here came for r/place?
I've been vegetarian for 6 years now and this video was the final push I needed to make me go vegan. Thank you.
I am very happy that you joined us. Hope everybody else will do the same.
@@happygimp0 Thank you. I'm happy about it too
@@happygimp0 not gonna happen lol
@@flare8197 I agree with you about this. Any rational thinker understands that the probability is minuscule in this case. I don't disagree with veganism, but I am just being honest.
@Flare the Dragon Slayer
In places like Europa, USA and Japan, it will most likely be illegal in the future to kill animals without a good reason. It is just a question of time.
Same as it was with human slavery.
This guy making sense is like a massage to the ears. So eloquent and articulate, honest and humble. A true philosopher. I have the highest admiration for this man.
It's crazy he's only 21
Honestly expected a rickroll lol. r/place is such an interesting place
I thought the QR of r/place was a rickroll
It was but the stupid vegans changed it lol
From r/place, haven't looked at veganism like that. will do more research. reddit is crazy
Let's goo, wish you all the best!
💪💪💪
Massive W thanks for checking the video out :)
Img onna eat meat until I die u missed out in so much food
You don't need to be an animal lover to be vegan
And the ones who don't are using environmental arguments and not ethical ones. Alex is either contradicting himself or player hokey pokey with the definition of "lover".
If you had no love whatsoever for animals, killing them for food wouldn't be an issue. To get to veganism, you have to start from a position of caring about the animals that are killed. Alex's comment seems to say otherwise. His comment is either misleading or just simply wrong.
You can say you don't have to want to live in close vicinity with animals to want them not to be killed. I don't see how that is important or relevant at all.
and you don't need to be Vegan, especially if you already have health issues. Veganism doesn't play nice with numerous ailments and associated with plenty of health issues. It is and always has been considered an extreme diet and very prone to health problems.
@@MrBilld75 it cured my health problems. I went from looking at being drugged up for however long I existed for to actually having life to live.
@@sladechimera2837 That's great, I am glad it works for you, however anecdotal evidence IS NOT evidence. The fact is Veganism is littered with proven problems and doesn't work for a very large number of people and has a very high failure rate.
If you understand human Physiology and how we work, it's not hard to understand either. It doesn't play nice with numerous ailments and not everyone can do it. You are not an Herbivore, many plant nutrients don't convert well and it is an extreme diet for a reason. That won't change.
You do you, that's fine, I have zero problems with honest Veganism, especially if it works well for you, but don't try to convert others to the cult like so many Vegans do, by using lies, propaganda and manipulative and subjective morality arguments, like so many do now. Just be Vegan, enjoy your diet and don't tell others how to eat.
That is my major issue with Veganism and some Vegans is the lies. Even honest, educated, sane Vegans hate that shit, because it makes them look bad, extremist Vegans ruin Veganism and EVERYONE despises that type. Be cool and we can all get along.
I can't believe how articulate and convincing you are. You have me floored.
Well it would seem that I have now stuck with veganism longer than the guy who made the video that convinced me to go vegan. Still going well and feeling great with excellent blood work results. I will be waiting for his explanation video with great interest.
cool!
You go pal all the best for everyone 🙌🤝
I was raised by hippies I have never eaten meat and build muscle You can build and maintain muscle mass on a meat-free diet
Right on.🤘🏻
Do it everyday
i think it's wrong your parents choose for you, in being a vegan or not, you may have ended up being one anyway and that's fine but for them to decide for you is just wrong to me
@@Pumpkinbeam He didn't say his parents forced him but just raised him that way. When your a parent you have to raise a child one way or another, you could say the same about a parent who raises their children to eat meat.
@@JordanDinstrumentals yes but humans are omnivores it's in our biology and the way i body functions and a child doesn't have to eat meat if it is given to them, it is much harder for a child to obtain meat when it isn't given to them than it is for them to not eat the meat if it is given to them. you can raise your child to eat broccoli but they might not like it so they won't eat it even though it is given to them same could be said for meat. it is better to give them the option then to choose for them
May you have all the success you deserve for being honest and logical at all times. On behalf of the voiceless and vulnerable: "Thank you".
Found the militant vegan in the bunch
Yeah vegans are pretty vulnerable. They all look like sticks and are depressed all the time, probably why they got manipulated into thw vegan diet
Animal exploitation is uncivilized such rude comments toward someone very appreciative
Hah. Ad populum fallacy and appeal to authority all in one. Nothing about intelligent people being depressed and/or having lower rates of obesity slightly outside of the normal standard deviation says anything about the correctness of intelligent people subscribing to veganism or the correctness of veganism in general.
@@thekyleprojekt7996 In earnest, there are several studies that somewhat support the position you've insinuated, but this doesn't capture the deeper truth on this issue. For a general example, we can see the USDA reporting that over 35% of people commonly have low B12 with about 9% of the population often being deficient, while around 3% of US citizens follow a plant-based diet, so there's a lack of overlap there not explained by veganism.
More specifically, the findings are that first-world vegans regularly have a deficiency of calcium, iodine, and B12, however, those same studies also show first-world omnivores to be regularly deficient in calcium, fiber, folate, iodine, magnesium, vitamin C, and vitamin E.
Now, in either case, regulating your diet with a bit more care or adopting a regular vitamin regimen solves the problem, but the point as it effects this conversation is that it's a red-herring to claim that "plant based diets lead to deficiencies" without adding "but not as bad as omnivores diets".
Anyone else here from r/place
Who else is here from r/place?
was really really hoping this was a rickroll, instead i got this
@@thatmatt41 yeah me too
How did you get here from r/place ?
@@thatmatt41 hoping it was a joke, instead ended up facing a meaningful and life changing video. If I was a meat eater living in denial I would have much rather have seen this than a rick roll so I could stop supporting the animal abuse that I would otherwise be against. Hell i remember first watching this video, this was a slap in the face and nobody likes a slap in the face.
@@Chepperz facts
Thank you for being so rational about this. Love the video. Vegan 17 years here !!
Awesome!.........healthy VEGAN here for more than 27 years
17? IM ONLY 17
I never thought I'd go vegan, but I'm now considering it.
Serendipitous Illicit no regrets, I’ve been vegan for 10 months now. Try watching Earthlings or dominion. Also Veganuary is a free 21 day challenge
It's how it starts, you think nah I'll never do that, hmm maybe I will, ok let's try it out, yeah this is the right thing to do
Vegan for 9 years here. Not perfect, but fitter than most in my circle, and older than most of them. Stick to science and be well.
Make sure you plan it well.
Why?
Did anyone else come here from /r/place?
I scanned a QR code on r/place and this is where it brought me…I don’t know how it relates.
How does it have to relate? r/place is a bunch of random stuff. :v
the intense stigma against veganism is so immensely unfounded and it’s time our society looked more critically at things like this that should be COMMON SENSE lmao
The stigma around veganism is deserved. Its a toxic community.
Elrog3 The loud ones are (often) toxic. You don’t hear the quiet ones, who probably form the majority. Just some food for thought, so to speak.
@@Elrog3 Maybe vegans are toxic because nobody takes suffering seriously. I'm not a vegan but thats like saying Black Lives Matter is toxic because they are forcefully raising awareness of unnecessary suffering. It matters not whether the community is toxic but whether the ideas are true.
@@skullkrusher4418 Before it matters that people don't take suffering seriously, you have to establish that the suffering matters in the first place, and vegans fail at that. They use emotionally driven argumentation. Its all they have and I don't want it. And I'm not a fan of BLM either.
@@Elrog3 But this video does NOT use emotional arguments. It uses consequentialist moral philosophy. Yes, there are vegans that simply show videos of slaughterhouses and factory farms, but most vegans ive met have the approach that Alex has in this video. Unnecessary suffering is unnecessary suffering in all cases. I think everyone agrees that suffering matters. Ive never met a person in my life that thinks that unnecessary suffering with no silver lining is something that doesnt matter. And the truth is, its soooooo easy to show people that what we do to animals is wrong. You simply have to remind them of what they already know, which is that animals feel pain and animals suffer. Nobody denies that today. And THAT is why vegans get frustrated i think. People clearly contradict themselves as soon as they say torturing and eating dogs is wrong. Its a very easy argument to make and i have yet to hear a valid moral justification for it. And thats why i think there is toxicity. Because its so incredibly obvious to vegans that this is wrong, yet 99% of people bend over backwards trying to justify something that even they believe to be wrong.
I have to say, I've never actually met a vegan who thought all animals are morally worth the same.
They just regard most of them as worth enough not to kill die taste pleasure.
I have. Or at least, I've met vegans who *pretend* that it's what they think. I tend to always hit them with a reductio right away just to try and make them understand that this doesn't strengthen their stance, it weakens it.
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I personally think about stopping to eat mammals. you by any chance know if there is a word for that? ^^
Referencing eating meat as "taste pleasure" is exactly that
If eating meat is "taste pleasure" then surely lions, dogs, sharks, bears, and ameobas practice this "taste pleasure" as well which would be a foolish belief
Animals consume other animals as a matter of survival as do humans now in the 1st world you are provided the *luxury* of being able to supplement the required nutrients with artificial supplements but in the 3rd world or wild humans dont have that *luxury* and as meat has a much higher nutrient content is mandatory for survival and in the wild your only real weapon is your mind because the rest of our abilities are far inferior to most animals
@@freaki0734 Pollo-pescetarian: someone who eats both poultry and fish/seafood, though no meat from mammals.
I'm here from r/place
Great video!! Thanks for laying out the arguments so well! You represent the movement so well!!
finally, a non bias philosophical discussion on veganism from a non vegan! you done an awesome job covering the ethics and morality of veganism, love it!!!!! you dont need anybody else to convince you, you know it already. listen to your heart aswell brother.
That seems pretty biased.
@@Elrog3 how the fuck is this biased. I like how you go in other threads and say you don't have time to respond, but here you are in this thread starting a new conversations...
We get it, you are a psychopath that doesn't understand how empathy works and you have your routine of mental gymnastics to go with it...
Elrog3 tool
A four word comment sure took a lot of my time. Go play ad hominem with someone who cares.
@@Elrog3 Why did you dodge Bazileia 's comment? I think you are conflicted and know your position is unjustifiable and indefensible in our 1st world context.
As a vegan and long time fan of your channel, thank you man. Just thank you.
Me too.
Well... he stated that he's still not going vegan yet. But the fact that he had philosophically leaned towards veganism makes me eager to see how he will turn out to be.
Don't rejoice too much too soon. I'm not putting it beyond him to make an equally compelling case against veganism in his next video.
@@bosoerjadi2838 that requires you to give him that argument, I have asked hundreds of people to give a reasonable one, no one has had one, nearest to any is taste pleasure which is explained perfectly away in this broadcast on moral and ethical grounds, actual taste wise, there are numerous equivalent non meat tasting foods available should you still need them.
@@MrTrevisco Without the intention of getting seduced into actually discussing the arguments pro and contra veganism, let me get into the limits of reasonable arguments thus why I made my comment.
For an argument to be considered reasonable it first has to appeal to a shared set of moral and/or ethical values. Such an argument can only lead to a possibly shared standard, a shared normal system, but still based on shared values.
Alex is reading philosophy. Questioning and upsetting values is what philosophers do. Not because the values'd be "wrong", but because values are personal axioms, defining reasoning systems. Arguments only operate the same within a shared values set. Alex used a specific set of values and based his argument on that. It's what philosophy students do to exercise: see where reasoning can lead to, given a set of values. Other values, other results with the same reasoning.
E.g. In Euclidian geometry the sum of a triangle's corners is always 180 degrees. It assumes that the triangle is in a flat plane. When space is curved, let's say spherical, the sum is between 180 and 270 degrees.
Different axiom, same logical operation aka reasoning, different outcome.
Should Alex use a different set of values, those who don't share it would not find his arguments reasonable, nor would they agree with his outcome. Regardless the topic.
Who is here from r/place and hoped for rickroll?
I come from the of r/place and I want to say Im happy it wasnt a rick roll
These are things that have always bothered me. Thanks for speaking so eloquently about them.
Marie Frenette - speaking eloquently but also flawed in many ways.
@@MugenTJ Let's hear it!
Marie Frenette - my pleasure
Let me list the points he discussed: (and my brief comment for each point)
1. We eat animal because human is more intelligent or in some way better - this is a bad argument by non-vegans. We are no better than a lump of coal, in my opinion. So I agree with Skeptic.
2. We feel pain and suffering, other animals less so or don’t suffer at all- also bad argument. We might have more complex nervous system, but surely they want to live as much as we do without any suffering.
3. The current meat industry wouldn’t be permitted if we design society with impartiality - yes, maybe. This is an extension of point #2. Noticed he didn’t expand this into veganism, where no animal products to be consumed. Because human can still hunt or have small scale farming.
4. Animal and human are different but have equal moral worth. - since this is true, as an extension of point #1, we shouldn’t be cruel to animals. This begs the question: is this to be applied to diet? And generally human way of life!?
So far I just listed the points he argued for and against, to show that I am more or less understand his position. To summarize, all he shows is the ethical issue against animal cruelty, by citing weak arguments from non-vegans (1) and (2).
He ignored the health benefits of eating animal diet. He ignored the fact of nature: we are not herbivores. He ignored ppl kill animals not to be cruel but part of the cycle of life. Most life thrives at the expense of other life forms. We are not even the first to farm for food, ant and termites do it too. Why are we the only animal to be subjected to morality, but not birds or bacteria? Because we understand morality?! Give me a break. Without proper animal diet, I sincerely doubt a human can grow from a baby into adult with a functioning brain to contemplate morality.
Yes, he eloquently presented an argument why we should not be cruel to animals, NOT why animals shouldn’t be food! Ppl farm animals for food, not cruelty.
Marie Frenette - not to mention Alex presented a great discussion on why morality is subjective. So to prove veganism on moral ground is moot. He might as well say: I feel bad that I don’t farm for my food, ppl kill in order for me to have a nice steak...i don’t deserve it. Let’s go vegan instead so I don’t feel guilty being part of a privileged group of human.
@@MugenTJ I'm so amused that you think birds are not part of the animal kingdom... so to wich taxonomic rank do birds belong in your opinion?
And that we have to eat animal products to be healthy. Or that you need a diet with animal products to grow having proper brain functions... can you refer us to any scientific data supporting all those interesting claims that you make?
From a guy who's been eating a vegan diet for 5 years, I think you did an excellent job!
five year old?
@@user-rj2ms3pk8i sure 😉
@@user-rj2ms3pk8i Veganism preserves youthfulness
Your health is being destroyed. sad
@@KSham-hr7yg my loss, I guess 🤭😏
Here is my case for carnivores: The first being about morality, prosperity and the second about suffering.
Morality is entirely arbitrary. There is no absolute morality, it's simply a word which we designed to mask " social stability and well-being". Most people have this "religious base" that's why they automatically jump to " murder is bad and so on". However, in the grand scheme of things, murder, chaos and death seem to be the prevailing theme of the universe, and living beings on earth.
If this "morality" was somehow a key factor in life, why has it not been implemented innately into living beings? Why is it that animals hunt each other and don't all conform to a vegan diet. If being a vegan is so important and evolution deemed it so, then why isn't it the prevailing diet among humans? We can clearly see some animals are vegan while other are carnivorous, even some are omnivorous, but are these selections based on anything moral? or simply survival and growth.
The point I'm making is, murder is wrong because of some context which is entirely artificial, it's not wrong in the grand scheme of things, the same way a lion isn't immoral for hunting antelopes. Murder is wrong because we have deemed it so, not because it universally is a constant. If you look at various cultures throughout history, murder and death was treated entirely differently, in some cultures even welcomed.
Eating animals isn't wrong in of itself, animals eat animals, we have evolved to eat animals. If you look at anthropological evidence, the early humans evolved their brains due to rich protein diets from meat. A vegan diet in the wild is very difficult to accomplish because of how few crops could be salvaged in the wild. Before the advent of Frit'z fertilizer nitrate, growing crops was a hassle. Meat saved the early humans and allowed them to evolved. We are clearly evolved to eat meat and have even succeded thanks to it.
Is it immoral to eat meat? no because morality is man-made. I can create rules for something and then force others to abide by them. I could easily create a society where adultery would be punishable by death and considered immoral, but is it though? everyone seems to be doing it despite education, animals do it.. yet because it hurts some conservatives, doesn't mean it's immoral.
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The second issue is about climate. Early humans have eaten meat for thousands of years and climate change was not an issue back then. The reality is that industrialization is the cause of pollution, not the consumption of meat. The overabundance of everything, the population growth, mass production, chemicals and so on... Throughout history, meat was not entirely easy to get, people's diets mostly consisted of carbs (bread, potatoes) and meat was occasionally available. The issues start when you start over producing. The truth is we simply need to reduce consumption of everything . Force meat and plastic companies to rethink their models, but we won't because of money.
China having the largest population soon surpassed by India, causes more pollution worldwide then most countries combined. Food for thought.
The last argument is suffering and consciousness. Here is my line of logic.
Is?
Destroying inorganic materials such as rocks Moral or Immoral?
Damaging single cell organisms Moral or Immoral?
Damaging plants Moral or Immoral?
What about insects?
What about reptiles?
What about mammals?
What about humans?
Either we hurt nothing, Either we hurt everything or either we create criterias of selection for what we can and cannot hurt. Those criterias are entirely subjective and arbitrary.
If our criteria is solely based on "not hurting" then we should stop eating certain plants and killing flies because labs have shown certain plants have "pain receptors". But then again why do some plants have pain receptors and other don't? So we can eat the plants that don't have receptors because they didn't develop them and call this acceptable whilst those who have pain receptors will go uneaten? it's seems like a very far-fetched criteria. Won't it just force plants to evolve pain receptors to avoid being eaten altogether? The other part is that of conciousness, the problem with that argument is what do we qualify as "minimum conciousness"? The desire to live? Cognitive reasoning? The ability to pair-bond?
I simply am not convinced eating meat is wrong in any way. But because I have many dogs I do understand where vegans are coming from, and I would never eat a dog because of indoctrination (in China they eat dog) however in the universal sense of it, I don't think eating meat is wrong, and I don't blame my dogs for doing so either.
my biggest point is the absurdist it takes. If you decide to eat . you have to do a neurological live autopsy. his argument about why the person that would eat others are more alighned. arent they more so than a vegan as there a discrimination. most people arent even aware of the bad practices that the state allowed not the consumer.
Body builders can maintain their strength without any animal product.
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So true.
Revisiting this video more than a year later, having gone from being a meat-eater to being vegan. This video was a real starting point on my journey to veganism, because of Alex's calm and rational appeal to moral consistency, rather than just trying to win his viewers over by horrifying them with footage of abuse to cute animals. I'm not saying that this strategy always is superior, but it is what got through to me, and, I think, to many others. So thanks for all that you do!
Same here.
Yeah but they both most definitely have a place in vegan advocacy and I think using both together may be effective
Rewatching this after being vegetarian for months and now trying to go vegan
@Mary Whiterabbit why is that? I unterstand your body needs to adjust to the new amount of fiber, but I didn't have many problems with that
Also I ditched milk and eggs in the first week, I don't think that stopping to use animal products altogether will make much of a difference ^^
@@Julia99lol ignore that troll you are doing great! 😎
@Manly Man vegan for almost a year now, convinced my family and best friends to go vegan too, never going back 👌🏻
It shouldn't be hard to go from vegetarian to vegan
I'm confused where you said "trying to go vegan". Do or do not, there is no try. Milk and cheese is merely addictive, not necessary, and we don't need eggs either. Going vegan really isn't all that difficult, unless you live in a 3rd world country with really poor supplies available to you. (but you're commenting on the internet, so I doubt it.)
R/ Place anyone? Did not expect it to actually take me somewhere
Bruh... Expected a rickroll... R/place qr code brought me here LOL
I became vegan just three weeks ago and just found this video. Not only do I feel so much more secure in my decision, but your arguments are so much stronger than the ones that actually convinced me in the first place. Oh boy, do I have something to show everyone I know. #Plantbasedforever
👋 hey, curious person here. When you have a moment can you list me perhaps top 3 benefits within yourself you have experienced since making the change
@@tommytarkoved1873 Veganism by definition isn't about personal benefit, it's about benefiting non-human animals and the planet.
@@ohmree well, yeah but that doesn't mean the person didn't have any benefits anyway
This video is freaking incredible, i thougth this things for myself but he makes análisis that i didn't even think of, like how the hability to feel pain can be an standar for morality!, i couldn't find one besides sheer logic, empaty and honesty with yourselfe. I just realize that inteligent wasnt the standar. i congratulate you for your descicion!, i hope your doing good, and if you ever feel to temted by an animal product let me remark that vegan junk food is freaking delicious.
@@tommytarkoved1873 hello!, i can answer this for my part.
1. I personally feel happier in a emotional level, because i'm convinced that i'm doing sonething inherently good at reducing sufferment. This feelings do count i assure you.
2. My level of energy has increased since i change fron vegetarian to Vegan. I don't notice it now because it has been so long but i remember how i was with more desire of moving, running, and make physical activities overall.
3. My health is more stable than ever before. I almost never get sick, and if i do is because of really shitty weather conditions and it doenst last more than a couple of days, my inmune system has gotten stronger.
4. Even tho you asked 3... The 4th one is sex, my libido and my overall sex energy is much more firm and intense. This is because i have 0% fat in my arteries blocking the flood of blood in my veins. I will also add than vegan womans have an easier time getting to orgasm because of the same reason.
I hope i was helpfull!.
Glad to see veganism being treated as a real philosophical issue, rather than a psycho SJW one👍
'psycho SJW' lol😁
There are many vegan TH-camrs who treat Veganism as a philosophical issue, because that's what it is.
@@cloudoftime I think only the anti-vegans degrade veganism into something "SJW" or whatever.
@@clare2385 Right. I was just replying to the statement "it's nice to see", as that implies that it was lacking in some way. But I see what you mean.
for some, "psycho SJW" would be considered redundant
Found this on r/place and thought it was gonna be a rick roll
Yeah I so hyped for that
REDDIT R/PLACE GOT ME HERE ♥️
I'm sorry, I can't convince you it's justified. This is one of the best-made video about veganism, thank you for sharing your point.
I'm working on french subtitles. It's worth sharing.
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It's crazy he's only 21
@@gugus8081 How? I want to translate it to Dutch but I'm not sure how.
EDIT: Turns out Google removed community translations. Thanks Google.
@@chlorophyllphile I think I found it quite easily, through the video and subtitles settings or something. Maybe in the description. But indeed, I can't find it anymore. Maybe the channel's owner has to enable or permit them ? I don't quite know, sorry :/ can't find any useful info on the web either.
edit : Oh, that's a pity. Thanks google indeed...
This should be your most viewed video. You're my favorite TH-camr at the moment, thanks for your time and effort in your content. I hope it is as fulfilling for you as it is for us.
Why this was a qr in r/place?
Wow r/place lead me here and im not regreting
Me too
i haaaaate how people see veganism as a trend, its just not paying to torture, that’s it.
you still pay for both human and non-human torture with your taxes.
Emilia M good point now ill go kill an innocent animal
I'm a vegan, fren. I'm just saying that both of us still pay for meat that other people buy.
Emilia M so what are you saying i should do?
It’s a dying trend fortunately. Meat tastes best when the animals have lived a happy and free life, something they wouldn’t get in nature surrounded by predators. Fuck factory farming, eat meat
I remember your on the fence stance from ages ago and am glad you finally made a video on it!!!
Who else is here cuz they found this video via QR code on the 2022 r/place?
Alex, come back. We need you. ❤
This video was the final push to convince me to go vegan. Thank you so much Alex for helping me make this change in my life. I've been vegan since january 2nd and it feels amazing.
How is it a year later now for you? I’m also vegan!😊
@@juliarasklind9171 very good! I'm still vegan and very happy about it. I feel better about the things i eat knowing i'm not contributing to the bio industry etc. But after a year i notice i do get sadder and feel more helpless when i see so many people still eating animal products than a year ago. I would say that's the only "negative" thing though
@@violentbob Most of them don't know what they're doing, only supposed to feel bad about those who've been educated on the subject before
Damn you Alex! I can't justify eating meat anymore. Good bye meat I will miss you.
Look into the dairy industry as well, if you haven't yet. It's equally if not more abhorrent in many ways, and directly tied to the meat industry (all 'dairy' cows are slaughtered, calves born to 'dairy' cows are either killed shortly after birth or raised for veal or beef)
Best decision mate. I wish I had learned about these filthy industries before
@@macombus269 going on 3 weeks now. Cutting butter and cheese will be am extreme challenge. I'll work on it. One step at a time.
Tim Doran how are you doing now. also replace the butter with vegan butter there’s utterly no difference. but with the cheese, it’s better you not eat the vegan version anyway, it’s just fat
@@Fuzzawakka good effort buddy, still sticking with it? For me its just over a year, feeling great and loving the food i've discovered, was 80% carnivore before too lol
people disappointed this isn’t a rickroll as if us vegans don’t live every day in perpetual disappointment that the world refuses to give moral consideration to beautiful creatures with a will to live.
rick rolls are funny, but this video is incredibly important. give it a chance :)
Look I'm not saying anything for or against veganism or the subject of the video in general, but I don't want to look back at this year's r/place in 2026 and say ah yes, vegans. It's just disappointing for everyone who worked so hard to make a funny unrelated to anything political or some bigger picture.
@@yellowwinner1 place is for everyone, it’s a portrait of the internet in all its glory, including the most serious and the most beautifully stupid parts all in one place. in 2026 i will look back at place with joy that i helped advocate that people choose a far less violent lifestyle, while also helping build art for my favorite bands, shows, and memes. activism and amogus can coexist on place :)
@@yellowwinner1 the majority of place was political or nationalistic lol, did you see how many national flags there were? Most people had a cause or group they were working with and defending, and vegans just picked the most important thing to them. It's great to see people being exposed to this kind of thing. It's good to challenge yourself
@@r0bt93 Um, people being political vs nationalistic are two very, very different things. Like you could be a German who like's your country and culture (nationalistic) and not like how the government is ran or by who (political). The only political thing I saw the entire time r/place was going was "F Putin" which didn't even make it to the final picture.
@@chrissyjo420 Yeah that's fair, and I don't mean to say anything against the topic at hand or to even discourage it, just saying what I think a lot of people are thinking especially considering this is kind of a rickroll in itself being that people expected one thing and ended up with another 😅
Why the hell am I here. I was expecting a Rick roll
Its making decisions like this that is the purpose of moral philosophy. Without modifying actions when moral reasoning demands it, the whole thing is just an intellectual game.
Vegetables are great! Join us!
Yet not taking action is in contradiction with the quote at 0:50 from Albert Camus when he says "The principle that can be established that for a man who does not cheat, what he believes to be true must determine his action"
This was brilliant Alex!! As a vegan I really appreciate it. You really articulated all of the main arguments for veganism very well.
Breathing Oxyjenn - he counted two bad arguments vs veganism and gave two arguments vs cruelty done on animals. No direct argument for veganism at all.
If fair if you can’t or refuse to eat animals products, and manage to stay healthy hopefully. The reality is we are not herbivores. Life take life to thrive. It’s not cruel to kill for food. Children of the west are born so privileged, have no idea what survival means in nature.
I seen Alex made many arguments. This one is bad. Very disappointed actually. More so it led him to be vegan also. All for the sake of moral high ground.
@@MugenTJ we are herbivores:
"Is atherosclerosis a disease affecting all animals or only certain animals?
Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1, 2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores.
Are human beings herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores?
Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
You didn't like much biology in school, didn't you?
I came here from r/place and honestly this is the last thing I was expecting
r/place took me here and im not disappointed
You know what they say. Fool me once, strike one, foold me twice, strike three.
Here from Reddit r/place this mobilizing, coordinating is insane
what can I say, we are nothing if not determined. I do hope you stick around for the video :)
Whoa, can't talk you out of that. Totally solid reasoning for going vegan. I'm in!
Levi Brasga you won’t regret it!!!
You'll regret it when you're malnourished
@@Ell.06 start researching the health benefits referencing non industry funded studies and meta analyses and you will no longer have that ludicrous excuse to stand on.
@@Ell.06 found the carnitard.
@@MrJSheppy16 I don't need an excuse because vegans are not moral gatekeepers that I need to answer to. I'm not vegan because I have digestional problems and my body just cannot take all those plant products. But then again even if you tell a vegan that your diet is killing you, they don't care because you are just a traitor and a 'carnitard' at the end of the day. There are lots of studies on both sides, yes, but if you just looked at the real world, you would realize that the countries with the longest life expectancies are the ones that consume a lot of meat (Hong Kong, Japan etc.). And most nutritionists back an omnivorous diet for a reason, because it's natural and balanced. Having to eat 10 kilos of food a day on a vegan diet just to be full is not natural.
I came here from 3-days r/place Just love it
You agree with the video?
@@samvandervelden8243 not for r/place lol
@@santiagodelossantos2775 what do you mean?
@@samvandervelden8243 wrong place
Well anyone here from r/place I guess we becoming vegan
Hell yeah!
You've been trapped into upholding justice! Ruthless vegans strike again...
First time watching you on youtube. I absolutely love the way you structure your arguments and the deep critical thinking. This is gold!
A QR code from a mural filled with amogus made me question many of my ideas: what a time to be alive.
I like meat too much, but I will research more about this topic to answer some questions that I have and maybe change.
Please tell me r/place brought you here
@@dualitywolfie yes hahahaha
I was born and raised in Argentina.... there are a few things we are famous for, and meat is one of them. If I could do it, you can, too. It is only a matter of making the choice. Also... it is a process, and it doesn't have to be overnight. Every time I eat a vegan meal, I think about the fact that I didn't kill an animal for what was on my plate, and the fact that I don't have another being's flesh decomposing inside me. Besides... pooping on a vegan diet is great! lol
I was looking for this comment
@@Vero.does.better haha yes my poops have improved as well since going vegan 💩
Here because of the qr code in redit pixel war am i alone?
Anyone here from r/place hehe