I also think that one of the important applications of the hypostatic union is that since God is spirit and spirit cannot die, without it, Jesus could not die on the cross.
I don't get it; are you suggesting the old heresy Jesus did not die as a result of His crucifixion? Please think such things more thoughorly through. Thank you--we are obligated to be good theologians whether professional or lay.
I find this explanation lacking. It explains how Jesus can be both God and Man in one form without conflict. You have answered the WHAT but not the HOW.
Basic, this answers the question: “Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,” Philippians 2:6-7 NLT
So he changed his nature and became just a human.. thats against the bible. And believe me.. anyway you take it it's still gonna be incoherent because its a twisted contradictory doctrine taken from a twisted contradictory book. May Allah guide you
The problem with Chalcedon it is makes it sound like Jesus did miracles by his own attributes of deity. But Scripture does not bear this out. The book of John illustrates many times that Jesus did miracles by the Father dwelling in him in the power of the Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus did no miracles in his childhood, or early adult life. It was after the Holy Spirit came upon him that the miracles started. Hope that helps.
Two natures? Where in all of the word of God does it say this? What about what Paul writes concerning the humanity of Jesus? *P2.6-8 who, below-org-beginning in the shape of God, did not count the to be equal with God as a robbing, but EMPTIED HIMSELF, taking the shape of a slave, becoming in the likeness of humen, and becoming found in the scheme (fundamental pattern) AS A HUMAN..."* How is it Jesus (as a human) was both God and human if he "did not count to be equal with God" as a human in the "emptying" of Himself of such?
The verse clearly states that He did count Himself being equal with God as something to be grasped or held on to, which is a way of illustrating His willingness to humble Himself and endure incarnation for the purpose of saving His people from their sins. Please be careful to read whole verses, not portions.
@@howardbryant817 I'm confused? I posted the verse which states "clearly" (if one can read English) that He "DID NOT count to be equal with God...." May I suggest you be careful to read the whole verse which I posted from a literal translation where "shape of God" does not mean Jesus was God. I explain this in deatil in my playlist called The Divinity Series. As for the context of "nature" I also discuss the "divine nature" in accord with the same "divine ability" of 2 Peter 1.3-4. There is only ONE "divine nature" and such is offered to us as a gift. *2P1.4 through which1 the valuable and greatest promised things have been gifted to us, so that through these you become communers of the DIVINE NATURE, as ones having fled-from the desire of corruption that is in the cosmos."* Some how the word "Divine" has become equated with "Jesus as God in flesh"??? But this is not supported in any of the Writ of God. Again, see my video series. Grace, mercy and peace in Christ Jesus!!!
@@lostintranslation5818 Jesus is the Word of God-countless Scriptures. The Word was God John 1:1. As for Philippians because He was in the form of God He did "not think it robbery to be equal" He can't deny Himself 2 Timothy 2:13. I don't think it robbery to be my wifes husband and head of the house but being in Christ I lay my life down for her, seeking her best not my own selfish gain.
@@youngsamuel1 Yes, Jesus was "the Word" (logos God) as read in J1.1 but then "the Word became flesh...." (J1.14). Before Jesus (who was the Word), He was TOWARD the Father. However after He became flesh He was BESIDE the Father. When He became flesh, He "emptied Himself taking the shape of a slave in the likeness of humen" (P2.7). So Jesus (the human) was not simultaneously "the logos God, the Word" AND a human", which I talk in some detail in my video series playlist called "Who Was Jesus". Sadly, due to a lot of error in bible translations the idea that Jesus (the human) was both God and human is not supported in the Writ. I also talk about the "divinity" of Jesus according the same misconceptions. See my other playlist called "The Divinity Series". Grace, mercy and peace in Christ Jesus!
@@lostintranslation5818 I do not see where Jesus was a human but was in the likeness of human flesh. 1 Tim 2:5 means man faced not "human". If by human you mean the first adamic nature then Jesus was not for He the Last Adam was a Life giving Spirit. He was in flesh that He may be tempted but His essence, nature, substance, whatever you will was eternal. A High Priest after the order of Melchizedek without beginning or ending. Again the Greek rendering of anthropos is simply man faced 'appearance'. He was the Glory of God veiled by flesh but when He appears again apart from sin He shall return in His Father's eternal Glory Matt 16:27, John 1:14.
Ruling out the wrong options doesn't necessarily mean that you are left with correct options--but, it represents at least, a certain amount of progress, I think we could argue. On the other hand, all of your remaining options might be just as erroneous as the ones you eliminated. We have to be careful, no? or we will end up disseminating new errors and doctrines of demons.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
@@ixisinvestigator6009 Your "Honest Version" message, I am sorry to report, doesn't, for the most part, make any sense to me. Maybe you could be clearer.
This doctrine is as difficult as trying to wrap your mind around the Trinity. The 2 natures, in one person but not mixed. How? And how does the divine nature not consume or overwhelm the human nature.
In a way He did Eric. He condemned sin in the flesh and overcame it. I don't see 2 natures for there is no division in Christ 1 Cor 1:13. God created 1 new man Eph 2:15. 1Cor 15: 45-47
If divine nature took over his human nature how could Jesus represent man as an offering to the father? If he wasn’t god how could he make a perfect sacrifice? If he was only part human part god He can’t be equal to the father. Christ must be fully man fully Devine without his natures being separated in his personhood
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
What harmony does Plato have with Jesus? How do you mix darkness with light? The school of Plato with its platonic philosophic and metaphysical ideas uprooted the doctrines of the Apostles! And it is no surprise: The Apostle Paul warned us of such ideas when he said to beware of vain philosophies when he said in Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" Shall you follow vain philosophers who will be accursed? Yes, you will because Paul also said you will put up with it: 2 Corinthians 11:3, 4... "I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily." Yes, you will put up with Platonic Christianity easily! Your understanding will be muddied because you allow the philosophers of the school of Plato to undermine the Apostle's doctrines. Since when do Platonic philosophers take supremacy over Luke 1:35? This is the foundation of Christianity! Justin Martyr said that the "Eternal Son" engineered his own birth. He is usurping what Luke says! The Church Fathers are usurping and supplanting the true Gospel... and as Paul said: "...You put up with it way too easily." Justin Martyr said that the Eternal Son came down from heaven and entered the womb of Mary and as the Hypostatic Union says: he united himself to the human fetus of Jesus! This is another Jesus! To say he had a dual nature is another Jesus. Jesus himself said he was a man! John 8:40, Peter said he was a man: Acts 2:22! 1st Timothy 2:5 says he is a man! And Psalm 110:4 shows him to be a high priest forever! Only a man can hold the office and be a high priest: Not God the 2nd person of the Trinity! And God cannot be born and neither can he die! You are believing Platonic Christianity when you follow the doctrines invented by the Greek philosophical-minded Church Fathers! The Jewish-led churches in Israel during the first-century A.D. would never have tolerated such doctrines in the 3rd through 5th centuries AD if they had not been slaughtered and exiled by the Roman army in 70 A.D... and they were dispersed into all the world never to return to Israel until 1948! There would not have been a doctrine of the Trinity if the Jewish-minded Christians had not been destroyed! And they don't accept the doctrine of the Trinity to this day. A Catholic priest once said on TV that the Eternal Son came down from heaven and asked Mary: "Mary will you be my mother?" And a Protestant Pastor Max Lucado said that Mary changed God's diapers! These ideas are a logical conclusion because of the Philosophies of the Church Fathers who brought us another Jesus! Luke tells us in 1:35 "The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and for that reason, the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." For what reason? Why is Jesus called the Son of God? Because of the biological miracle! God the Father through his spirit performed in Mary's womb, a biological miracle and Satan is robbing the glory that God the Father so well deserves for this miracle by supplanting another Jesus! A philosophical Jesus that does not fit with the narrative of Luke 1:35! And for no other reason is he called the Son of God! Why did the translators leave out one word of this verse? the Greek to English Translators did not include a very critical word. The word "Precisely!" The Scripture should read: "and for that reason, precisely the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." Not that an Eternal Son (you cannot find that phrase in the Bible) had some Eternal Begetting and then came down from heaven to enter the womb of a teenage woman and join himself to a male human fetus! There's no mention of another being from heaven in Luke 1:35! This is heretical doctrine!
@@Lukesh30253 - Interesting. That is not the conclusion of the hypostatic union. I may actually agree with you, but that doctrine says Jesus didn't set aside anything. He was 100% God. You hit on the reason for my post. Philipians 2:7 says Jesus emptied himself in the incarnation.
@@HeavenGuy I have only just learned of this teaching and am figureing it out not endorsing or denying it I was just answering your question best I knew how.
2 things: Firstly if guidance is for humanity, the whole world, for everyone then it would be simple right? If guidance is only for the educated then the uneducated are forsaken. Secondly, a square cannot be a circle. Its either a square or a circle.
Let’s use the example of a green circle. You can change the shape of it but it’s still green. Or you can change the colour of it but it’s still a circle
Guidance is simple, have you read the gospel? We are not discussing moral guidance here but the theological question of God's nature. An infinite and by definition for us humans a never fully understandable being. If you think God must be simplistic in order to be true... That would be a weird god if you ask me.
Hey so was Jesus Christ all knowing when he was on the earth. I have no doubt that Jesus is full incarnate deity, but was he both fully God and fully man in essence or only man in essence and God in title or both in essence and title the entire time?
I'm using the NIV translation so I'd ask you to look at Phil 2:5-7 Phil 2:5-7 5 Your attitude should be the same as that of CHRIST JESUS 6 Who, being IN VERY NATURE "GOD" DID NOT CONSIDER equality with God something to be grasped, 7 BUT MADE HIMSELF NOTHING TAKING the very nature of a servant, being made IN HUMAN LIKENESS. NIV Paul is explaining that the VERY NATURE of Christ Jesus is GOD but in the INCARNATION GOD TOOK ON FLESH. In SO DOING, He didn't INSIST on FULL GOD PRIVILEGES but REVEALED to MANKIND HOW he could live a full life in a GOD PLEASING RELATIONSHIP with the ONE "TRUE" GOD.
We have no examples to draw on. The hypostatic union is unique and cannot be understood to any great degree, but that doesn't mean it's not real. The new testament shows us glimpses of this phenomenon, so we know it's a thing but we cannot fully comprehend it.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
@@ixisinvestigator6009 Jesus Christ washes away our sin and unrighteousness it's the antichrist's religion Islam that brain washes people into worshipping the deceiver satan y'all are waiting on your so called hero and liberator al-mahdi but that my beloved is the antichrist REPENT turn away from your sinful ways(islam) and follow the way the truth the life Jesus Christ of Nazareth our Lord and God ✝️🙏❤️🛐
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Hypostasis appears only once in the Bible (Hebrews 1:3), where it has the same meaning as it had for the ancient Greeks, and is translated as “substance” (or “nature” Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Strong's g5287 - Lexical: ὑπόστασις - Transliteration: hupostasis - Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine - Phonetic Spelling: hoop-os'-tas-is - Definition: (lit: an underlying), (a) confidence, assurance, (b) a giving substance (or reality) to, or a guaranteeing, (c) substance, reality. - Origin: From a compound of hupo and histemi; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively). - Usage: confidence, confident, person, substance. - Translated as (count): assurance (2), confidence (2), substance (1).
Theology does not have enough information to understand the complexity of the nature of Christ. And a narrative built on partial information cannot lead to understanding such a delicate subject. Why the 2º Person is a man, Jesus?
That student that said, "What does this got to do with anything? How is this going to make me a worship leader in a mega church? What is the practical application of knowing all this stuff?" That student really revealed much about where he was at from the question he asked. It so doesn't have any "practical application", does it? We don't need to learn any of it huh? Well, here's the answer to the question - you come to correctly understand who it is you claim to worship. I hope that was where he was at way back in the day and today he's in a much better place, being able to see how far away he was when he looks back at the time when he asked such a question..
If jesus is fully human then he had a human soul or personality, being not mixed with the divine being of the son of God means the body of jesus had two souls inside it one human and one divine, that is two person not one, as imposible as the trinity, it's not like God is incarnated but like as if God is possessing poor guy called jesus, and then who suffered on the cross? it's the human being not the divine, then what makes those pains so special? so God himself never suffered on the cross only the human being he possessed without even permission due to God being incarnated in him since his conception, although giving some attributes to the human or divine being, christians keep switching the beings while talking about jesus like saying the son of God suffered and died on the cross while that never happened even according to their beliefs. After studying it forva long time I concluded christianity is totally fake and deprived of any meaning or spirituality.
@@saifu_1111 what I'm trying to say: that according to christianity the human nature of jesus didn't have the choice to accept to be united with the divine nature and suffered the pain on cross on the behalf of the divine nature. I'm saying it's unfair and thus can't be true.
@@newstart1983 i understood you brother, and its true and funny 🤣 I was talking to a Christian and he said God didn't die Jesus peace be upon him had 2 natures its the hypostatic union of the concile of calcedon. Its just fancy words to say we believe in contradictions.. wherever you take it. They have to appeal to mystery at the end. Because its a blind faith.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Why do we think that creating a name or phrase explains anything? Answering how Jesus is human and divine at the same time with the term "hypostatic union" which is defined as one nature that is human and divine at the same time is not answering anything. I believe that Jesus is both human and divine. But I also see God as above our limited understanding. We can't even understand how the light God created is both a particle and a wave. If we don't understand the created why do we think we can understand the Creator.
Would you like to try to give just one scripture that says Jesus is even partly human? I do not say "bodily form", "flesh and blood", "Son of man" etc.' I mean of human substance.
But Jesus's message was very clear Hear oh israel the lord our God the lord is one. No need for those complicated formulas that does not explain anything. Because this video did not explain anything.
@@SlingOfDavid9000 I am sticking to the scriptures Abu. We first have to look at the CONTEXT of "GOD the Lord being ONE." So AGAIN can you give me the answer to ..How many natures are called HUMAN? Please bear with me.
@@Nucc3 why see you search out of the bible in order to find an explanation for the trinity. No one ever worshipped a trinity God, including Jesus. Moses also said hear oh israel the lord our God the lord is one Not three
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Yep, it's all a deception so that we worship a different god other than the true God. The first commandment. Everyone seems to worship Jesus (Yahusha) and not the father (Yahuah).
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Did the Jews of Jesus' time believe that God would become a Man, based on the "Son of Man", from Daniel chapter 7? Or did they think it impossible for God to become a man? They tried to stone Jesus for being a man claiming to be God, and crucified Him for saying He was the Son of Man/God. So was a "God-Man" a foreign concept to them, or not? Or were they expecting to see more "God" than "man", from the Son of God/Man? And by that, I mean Divine signs and wonders, that only God can do. (Which Jesus actually did)
The Lord God 🙌 🙏 🕊🕊🕊 Is this 🤔 😳 = 1. God is Unitarian as one Dueteronomy chapter 6 verse 4 ... Hear O Isreal The LORD The Lord is One 2. God is Binitarian as two as one... I and my Father are one... 3. God is three Trinitarian 3 as one... at the Baptism of Jesus Christ
So that makes a lot of sense. Let's tell the Muslims about Jesus with explanations made up from some insane council - voted on centuries after the Bible. No wonder people can''t take Christianity seriously these days! How about just telling people about the Jesus of the Bible rather than the Jesus of a bunch of creeds? The Bible says that Jesus was a man, made under the Law, born of a woman, made like HIS brethren. And there's absolutely nothing about a hypostatic union that exists in the Bible.
Hello Jesus is the Messiah The Son of God The Son of David The Son of man The man God has chosen to be his anointed king The man God will judge the world through The man God raised from the dead Jesus has a God There is no triune god in scripture Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Why did it take 400 years to figure this out? One would think if this were true Jesus himself or the apostles would have taught on it. They started debating this trinity issue in the mid 200's. For me this issue of Jesus being "God" lends itself to a false God, messiah and gospel. Scary stuff. How can the glorified Jesus have a God if he is God. The very notion of anyone having a God automatically makes them not God. The glorified Jesus has a God so therefore he cannot be God or even equal to God.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
God cannot be killed which is why our Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the third day fulfilling the Jewish prophets. God the Son, the third Person of the most Holy and Blessed Trinity, has two distinct Natures in one divine substance. Fully God and Fully Man. The truth of the Trinity that was foreshadowed across the Hebrew Scriptures is also reflected in the writings of Greek Philosophers like Plotinus who was non-jewish and pretty anti Christian. He wrote in the 3rd century AD about the One, the Intellect and the Soul. Each one a hypostasis which means a state, that works in perfect union with creation because in the view of Plotinius those three hypostasis are what grounds the rest of reality as we know it. There is, like the Trinity a procession of hypostasis in the same way Christians profess that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. The Church Fathers describe the Trinity in a very similar way in their creeds and writings. This is what I meant the other day about Hellenist Judaism, which is what Christianity essentially what Christianity is. We are the true continuation of Israel at the time of Solomon's Temple explained using Greek terminology and philosophy. Hellenist Judaism was around long before Christ. But all of these three hypostatis and dual natures should not cloud what all of that explanation is in aid of understanding, there is One God. That is the first line of our Creed "I believe in One God..". We must keep true that that fundamental Truth of the Triune God which is the only real monotheism.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Your example lacked sorely. Here's how: Pretend I'm the Imman. "No, I've never heard of hypostatic union? What is it and how does it answer my question?" I noticed that, in spite of the constant insistence that there is value in theological doctrines, such as Christology and the Trinity, I have yet to see either make a serious leap from theory to application. It's nonsense, just like the student said in the beginning.
poor confused people. Jesus Christ was the Son of God which means Mary only carried and birthed him. So Jesus was the first divine man. No hypostatic union and no fantasma.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
And let us not forget that the one person which is Jesus is Divine! The Hypostatic Union which says that Jesus has two natures, one of which is human and the other which is Divine, are contained in only one Person, and that Person is Divine, not human. Jesus is one Divine Person, with a Divine and a human nature. Very important. Jesus is NOT a human person.
Yes and let us put our mine that the Second Divine Person of Blessed Trinity.(Jesus Christ) who posses the Godhead or Divine nature the same to Fr and HS did not absorb into human nature or does not absorve into human body and human soul.He reamain infinite,co eternal to the Bleased Trinity.Yes by the mystery of incarnation he added another nature,the nature of man or human nature which have a components the human body and human soul that could be separated by death.
Tough to comprehend but easy to receive. Amen
yeah but false
@@andredejong6890 not in any way, shape or form.
@@samuelrodriguez9199 easily disproven from the bible, very very easily.
@@andredejong6890 much to the contrary
İmpossible to be true, easy to debunk .....
I also think that one of the important applications of the hypostatic union is that since God is spirit and spirit cannot die, without it, Jesus could not die on the cross.
But soul is also (at least in part) spirit, and as such cannot die...
@@JodianWarrior but the person in the video is saying that the god does not replace the spirit
@@mothernature1755 I realize now, I don't really understand what you meant by your first comment.
I don't get it; are you suggesting the old heresy Jesus did not die as a result of His crucifixion? Please think such things more thoughorly through. Thank you--we are obligated to be good theologians whether professional or lay.
Does anyone know if protestants believe in the hypostatic union please ??
I find this explanation lacking. It explains how Jesus can be both God and Man in one form without conflict.
You have answered the WHAT but not the HOW.
Study the fire-iron theory of Christology. That will be a clearer understanding of the Hypostatic union
Basic, this answers the question:
“Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,”
Philippians 2:6-7 NLT
So he changed his nature and became just a human.. thats against the bible. And believe me.. anyway you take it it's still gonna be incoherent because its a twisted contradictory doctrine taken from a twisted contradictory book. May Allah guide you
The problem with Chalcedon it is makes it sound like Jesus did miracles by his own attributes of deity. But Scripture does not bear this out. The book of John illustrates many times that Jesus did miracles by the Father dwelling in him in the power of the Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus did no miracles in his childhood, or early adult life. It was after the Holy Spirit came upon him that the miracles started. Hope that helps.
I agree
Two natures? Where in all of the word of God does it say this? What about what Paul writes concerning the humanity of Jesus?
*P2.6-8 who, below-org-beginning in the shape of God, did not count the to be equal with God as a robbing, but EMPTIED HIMSELF, taking the shape of a slave, becoming in the likeness of humen, and becoming found in the scheme (fundamental pattern) AS A HUMAN..."*
How is it Jesus (as a human) was both God and human if he "did not count to be equal with God" as a human in the "emptying" of Himself of such?
The verse clearly states that He did count Himself being equal with God as something to be grasped or held on to, which is a way of illustrating His willingness to humble Himself and endure incarnation for the purpose of saving His people from their sins. Please be careful to read whole verses, not portions.
@@howardbryant817 I'm confused? I posted the verse which states "clearly" (if one can read English) that He "DID NOT count to be equal with God...."
May I suggest you be careful to read the whole verse which I posted from a literal translation where "shape of God" does not mean Jesus was God. I explain this in deatil in my playlist called The Divinity Series.
As for the context of "nature" I also discuss the "divine nature" in accord with the same "divine ability" of 2 Peter 1.3-4. There is only ONE "divine nature" and such is offered to us as a gift.
*2P1.4 through which1 the valuable and greatest promised things have been gifted to us, so that through these you become communers of the DIVINE NATURE, as ones having fled-from the desire of corruption that is in the cosmos."*
Some how the word "Divine" has become equated with "Jesus as God in flesh"??? But this is not supported in any of the Writ of God. Again, see my video series.
Grace, mercy and peace in Christ Jesus!!!
@@lostintranslation5818 Jesus is the Word of God-countless Scriptures. The Word was God John 1:1. As for Philippians because He was in the form of God He did "not think it robbery to be equal" He can't deny Himself 2 Timothy 2:13. I don't think it robbery to be my wifes husband and head of the house but being in Christ I lay my life down for her, seeking her best not my own selfish gain.
@@youngsamuel1 Yes, Jesus was "the Word" (logos God) as read in J1.1 but then "the Word became flesh...." (J1.14). Before Jesus (who was the Word), He was TOWARD the Father. However after He became flesh He was BESIDE the Father. When He became flesh, He "emptied Himself taking the shape of a slave in the likeness of humen" (P2.7).
So Jesus (the human) was not simultaneously "the logos God, the Word" AND a human", which I talk in some detail in my video series playlist called "Who Was Jesus".
Sadly, due to a lot of error in bible translations the idea that Jesus (the human) was both God and human is not supported in the Writ. I also talk about the "divinity" of Jesus according the same misconceptions. See my other playlist called "The Divinity Series".
Grace, mercy and peace in Christ Jesus!
@@lostintranslation5818 I do not see where Jesus was a human but was in the likeness of human flesh. 1 Tim 2:5 means man faced not "human". If by human you mean the first adamic nature then Jesus was not for He the Last Adam was a Life giving Spirit. He was in flesh that He may be tempted but His essence, nature, substance, whatever you will was eternal. A High Priest after the order of Melchizedek without beginning or ending. Again the Greek rendering of anthropos is simply man faced 'appearance'. He was the Glory of God veiled by flesh but when He appears again apart from sin He shall return in His Father's eternal Glory Matt 16:27, John 1:14.
Hypostatic union is a fancy way of saying we have no clue!
Rather a fancy word for covering a false notion.
Ruling out the wrong options doesn't necessarily mean that you are left with correct options--but, it represents at least, a certain amount of progress, I think we could argue. On the other hand, all of your remaining options might be just as erroneous as the ones you eliminated. We have to be careful, no? or we will end up disseminating new errors and doctrines of demons.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
@@ixisinvestigator6009 Your "Honest Version" message, I am sorry to report, doesn't, for the most part, make any sense to me. Maybe you could be clearer.
@@christopherskipp1525 ain't it obvious ! they hide to you history so you can fit there religion agenda
This doctrine is as difficult as trying to wrap your mind around the Trinity. The 2 natures, in one person but not mixed. How? And how does the divine nature not consume or overwhelm the human nature.
In a way He did Eric. He condemned sin in the flesh and overcame it. I don't see 2 natures for there is no division in Christ 1 Cor 1:13. God created 1 new man Eph 2:15. 1Cor 15: 45-47
If divine nature took over his human nature how could Jesus represent man as an offering to the father? If he wasn’t god how could he make a perfect sacrifice? If he was only part human part god He can’t be equal to the father. Christ must be fully man fully Devine without his natures being separated in his personhood
@@TheGreekCatholic he's asking how it makes sense and you just say well it needs to make sense. Bad answer
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
What harmony does Plato have with Jesus? How do you mix darkness with light? The school of Plato with its platonic philosophic and metaphysical ideas uprooted the doctrines of the Apostles! And it is no surprise: The Apostle Paul warned us of such ideas when he said to beware of vain philosophies when he said in Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!"
Shall you follow vain philosophers who will be accursed? Yes, you will because Paul also said you will put up with it: 2 Corinthians 11:3, 4... "I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily."
Yes, you will put up with Platonic Christianity easily! Your understanding will be muddied because you allow the philosophers of the school of Plato to undermine the Apostle's doctrines.
Since when do Platonic philosophers take supremacy over Luke 1:35? This is the foundation of Christianity!
Justin Martyr said that the "Eternal Son" engineered his own birth. He is usurping what Luke says! The Church Fathers are usurping and supplanting the true Gospel... and as Paul said: "...You put up with it way too easily."
Justin Martyr said that the Eternal Son came down from heaven and entered the womb of Mary and as the Hypostatic Union says: he united himself to the human fetus of Jesus! This is another Jesus! To say he had a dual nature is another Jesus. Jesus himself said he was a man! John 8:40, Peter said he was a man: Acts 2:22! 1st Timothy 2:5 says he is a man! And Psalm 110:4 shows him to be a high priest forever! Only a man can hold the office and be a high priest: Not God the 2nd person of the Trinity! And God cannot be born and neither can he die! You are believing Platonic Christianity when you follow the doctrines invented by the Greek philosophical-minded Church Fathers!
The Jewish-led churches in Israel during the first-century A.D. would never have tolerated such doctrines in the 3rd through 5th centuries AD if they had not been slaughtered and exiled by the Roman army in 70 A.D... and they were dispersed into all the world never to return to Israel until 1948! There would not have been a doctrine of the Trinity if the Jewish-minded Christians had not been destroyed! And they don't accept the doctrine of the Trinity to this day.
A Catholic priest once said on TV that the Eternal Son came down from heaven and asked Mary: "Mary will you be my mother?" And a Protestant Pastor Max Lucado said that Mary changed God's diapers! These ideas are a logical conclusion because of the Philosophies of the Church Fathers who brought us another Jesus!
Luke tells us in 1:35 "The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and for that reason, the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." For what reason? Why is Jesus called the Son of God? Because of the biological miracle! God the Father through his spirit performed in Mary's womb, a biological miracle and Satan is robbing the glory that God the Father so well deserves for this miracle by supplanting another Jesus! A philosophical Jesus that does not fit with the narrative of Luke 1:35!
And for no other reason is he called the Son of God! Why did the translators leave out one word of this verse? the Greek to English Translators did not include a very critical word. The word "Precisely!" The Scripture should read: "and for that reason, precisely the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." Not that an Eternal Son (you cannot find that phrase in the Bible) had some Eternal Begetting and then came down from heaven to enter the womb of a teenage woman and join himself to a male human fetus! There's no mention of another being from heaven in Luke 1:35! This is heretical doctrine!
John 1:1-3 Colossians 2:9 John 8:58 Jesus Christ is our Lord and God praise His holy mighty merciful loving name always and forever more ✝️🙏❤️🛐
Can anyone tell me if the hypostatic union is accepted by the Protestant Church please ?
yes.
@@ExploreTheology thank you, only a preacher got upset with me when I stated the hypostatic union! God's Grace on you brethren.👍🙏
@@JohnMac2023A.D. God Bless you too brother🙏
Yes
When we obtain the Holy Spirit in our person at conversion, is that a hypostatic union, or is it God in us?
God in us because we don’t become one person with him or else we would be deity
@@Lukesh30253
Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
@@HeavenGuy he set aside the glory that “he had” past tense with the father and shared the glory with them that he manifest while on earth.
@@Lukesh30253 - Interesting. That is not the conclusion of the hypostatic union. I may actually agree with you, but that doctrine says Jesus didn't set aside anything. He was 100% God. You hit on the reason for my post. Philipians 2:7 says Jesus emptied himself in the incarnation.
@@HeavenGuy I have only just learned of this teaching and am figureing it out not endorsing or denying it I was just answering your question best I knew how.
2 things:
Firstly if guidance is for humanity, the whole world, for everyone then it would be simple right? If guidance is only for the educated then the uneducated are forsaken.
Secondly, a square cannot be a circle. Its either a square or a circle.
Let’s use the example of a green circle. You can change the shape of it but it’s still green. Or you can change the colour of it but it’s still a circle
Guidance is simple, have you read the gospel?
We are not discussing moral guidance here but the theological question of God's nature. An infinite and by definition for us humans a never fully understandable being. If you think God must be simplistic in order to be true... That would be a weird god if you ask me.
Hey so was Jesus Christ all knowing when he was on the earth. I have no doubt that Jesus is full incarnate deity, but was he both fully God and fully man in essence or only man in essence and God in title or both in essence and title the entire time?
I'm using the NIV translation so I'd ask you to look at Phil 2:5-7
Phil 2:5-7
5 Your attitude should be the same as that of CHRIST JESUS
6 Who, being IN VERY NATURE "GOD"
DID NOT CONSIDER equality with God something to be grasped,
7 BUT MADE HIMSELF NOTHING
TAKING the very nature of a servant,
being made IN HUMAN LIKENESS.
NIV
Paul is explaining that the VERY NATURE of Christ Jesus is GOD but in the INCARNATION GOD TOOK ON FLESH. In SO DOING, He didn't INSIST on FULL GOD PRIVILEGES but REVEALED to MANKIND HOW he could live a full life in a GOD PLEASING RELATIONSHIP with the ONE "TRUE" GOD.
Hes not God . Incarnation is false. Trinity is false
We have no examples to draw on. The hypostatic union is unique and cannot be understood to any great degree, but that doesn't mean it's not real. The new testament shows us glimpses of this phenomenon, so we know it's a thing but we cannot fully comprehend it.
Cope
Where's the explanation?
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
@@ixisinvestigator6009 Jesus Christ washes away our sin and unrighteousness it's the antichrist's religion Islam that brain washes people into worshipping the deceiver satan y'all are waiting on your so called hero and liberator al-mahdi but that my beloved is the antichrist REPENT turn away from your sinful ways(islam) and follow the way the truth the life Jesus Christ of Nazareth our Lord and God ✝️🙏❤️🛐
This is just an explanation. Where's the evidence? What scriptures do you use to back this up?
@@rc8764 Those are some nice scriptures but they don't support his thought that "Jesus is both fully God and fully man,"
@@rc8764 Well, then how?
@@rc8764 Ok, I see now. I too think he came from heaven and became human, died, and then was raised up, but he wasn't God.
Though that doesn't answer my original question.
@@rc8764 Don't be sorry. Thanks for trying. You actually taught me something.
Thanks
unmixed and in union together = less confusion? reeeeealy?
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Am human and a cat at same time
Hypostasis appears only once in the Bible (Hebrews 1:3), where it has the same meaning as it had for the ancient Greeks, and is translated as “substance” (or “nature”
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Strong's g5287
- Lexical: ὑπόστασις
- Transliteration: hupostasis
- Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
- Phonetic Spelling: hoop-os'-tas-is
- Definition: (lit: an underlying), (a) confidence, assurance, (b) a giving substance (or reality) to, or a guaranteeing, (c) substance, reality.
- Origin: From a compound of hupo and histemi; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively).
- Usage: confidence, confident, person, substance.
- Translated as (count): assurance (2), confidence (2), substance (1).
Theology does not have enough information to understand the complexity of the nature of Christ.
And a narrative built on partial information cannot lead to understanding such a delicate subject.
Why the 2º Person is a man, Jesus?
That student that said, "What does this got to do with anything? How is this going to make me a worship leader in a mega church? What is the practical application of knowing all this stuff?"
That student really revealed much about where he was at from the question he asked. It so doesn't have any "practical application", does it? We don't need to learn any of it huh?
Well, here's the answer to the question - you come to correctly understand who it is you claim to worship.
I hope that was where he was at way back in the day and today he's in a much better place, being able to see how far away he was when he looks back at the time when he asked such a question..
If jesus is fully human then he had a human soul or personality, being not mixed with the divine being of the son of God means the body of jesus had two souls inside it one human and one divine, that is two person not one, as imposible as the trinity, it's not like God is incarnated but like as if God is possessing poor guy called jesus, and then who suffered on the cross? it's the human being not the divine, then what makes those pains so special? so God himself never suffered on the cross only the human being he possessed without even permission due to God being incarnated in him since his conception, although giving some attributes to the human or divine being, christians keep switching the beings while talking about jesus like saying the son of God suffered and died on the cross while that never happened even according to their beliefs. After studying it forva long time I concluded christianity is totally fake and deprived of any meaning or spirituality.
Lol a poor guy possessed and suffered without consent 😂.
May Allah guide you brother
@@saifu_1111 what I'm trying to say: that according to christianity the human nature of jesus didn't have the choice to accept to be united with the divine nature and suffered the pain on cross on the behalf of the divine nature. I'm saying it's unfair and thus can't be true.
@@newstart1983 i understood you brother, and its true and funny 🤣
I was talking to a Christian and he said God didn't die Jesus peace be upon him had 2 natures its the hypostatic union of the concile of calcedon.
Its just fancy words to say we believe in contradictions.. wherever you take it. They have to appeal to mystery at the end. Because its a blind faith.
@@saifu_1111 exactly brother 🙏👍
amazing stuff, very deep
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Why do we think that creating a name or phrase explains anything? Answering how Jesus is human and divine at the same time with the term "hypostatic union" which is defined as one nature that is human and divine at the same time is not answering anything.
I believe that Jesus is both human and divine. But I also see God as above our limited understanding. We can't even understand how the light God created is both a particle and a wave. If we don't understand the created why do we think we can understand the Creator.
Would you like to try to give just one scripture that says Jesus is even partly human? I do not say "bodily form", "flesh and blood", "Son of man" etc.' I mean of human substance.
But Jesus's message was very clear
Hear oh israel the lord our God the lord is one.
No need for those complicated formulas that does not explain anything. Because this video did not explain anything.
Ask yourself Abu. How many natures are called HUMAN?
@@Nucc3 stick to the scriptures and don't deviate. We can't pick and choose what Jesus said to suit our own interpretations.
@@SlingOfDavid9000 I am sticking to the scriptures Abu. We first have to look at the CONTEXT of "GOD the Lord being ONE." So AGAIN can you give me the answer to ..How many natures are called HUMAN? Please bear with me.
@@Nucc3 why see you search out of the bible in order to find an explanation for the trinity.
No one ever worshipped a trinity God, including Jesus.
Moses also said hear oh israel the lord our God the lord is one
Not three
@@SlingOfDavid9000 Can you please just answer my question and bare with me. How many natures are called HUMAN? Does a dog have the nature of a HUMAN?
Amen
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
@@ixisinvestigator6009 what in the world are you going on about?
@@ixisinvestigator6009 and what is a dajjal?
@@christtheonlyhope4578 i'm not sure about this, but you can tape it out on google. he appeared in pleny of movies
simply he cant be both human and god
Yep, it's all a deception so that we worship a different god other than the true God.
The first commandment.
Everyone seems to worship Jesus (Yahusha) and not the father (Yahuah).
And also he can't be talk to himself. Sounds like a crazy God 😆
Akshully, if an entity has every aspect of being human AS WELL as several aspects of being something divine..... Hmmmm it's not that hard to get
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Did the Jews of Jesus' time believe that God would become a Man, based on the "Son of Man", from Daniel chapter 7? Or did they think it impossible for God to become a man?
They tried to stone Jesus for being a man claiming to be God, and crucified Him for saying He was the Son of Man/God.
So was a "God-Man" a foreign concept to them, or not? Or were they expecting to see more "God" than "man", from the Son of God/Man?
And by that, I mean Divine signs and wonders, that only God can do.
(Which Jesus actually did)
Jesus wasn't crusified because he claims to be God....but because he claimed to be the Messiah!
@@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל the Jews tried to kill because he (in their own words) "made himself equal with God". John 10:33
There's only two thrones in heaven one throne for Jesus and the other throne for Jehovah Revelation chapter three 3 verse 21
The Lord God 🙌 🙏 🕊🕊🕊
Is this 🤔 😳 =
1. God is
Unitarian as one
Dueteronomy chapter 6 verse 4 ...
Hear O Isreal The LORD The Lord is One
2. God is Binitarian as
two as one...
I and my Father are one...
3. God is three
Trinitarian
3 as one...
at the Baptism of Jesus Christ
So that makes a lot of sense. Let's tell the Muslims about Jesus with explanations made up from some insane council - voted on centuries after the Bible. No wonder people can''t take Christianity seriously these days! How about just telling people about the Jesus of the Bible rather than the Jesus of a bunch of creeds? The Bible says that Jesus was a man, made under the Law, born of a woman, made like HIS brethren. And there's absolutely nothing about a hypostatic union that exists in the Bible.
Jesus Christ 👨
Was a man 👨
as the Son of God the Father 👨 👨🍼 🙏 🙌
Human in flesh
while on earth 🌎 😌 ✨️
Spirit in Heaven
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
Why did it take 400 years to figure this out? One would think if this were true Jesus himself or the apostles would have taught on it. They started debating this trinity issue in the mid 200's. For me this issue of Jesus being "God" lends itself to a false God, messiah and gospel. Scary stuff.
How can the glorified Jesus have a God if he is God. The very notion of anyone having a God automatically makes them not God. The glorified Jesus has a God so therefore he cannot be God or even equal to God.
Can’t be mortal and immortal at the same time.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
God cannot be killed which is why our Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the third day fulfilling the Jewish prophets.
God the Son, the third Person of the most Holy and Blessed Trinity, has two distinct Natures in one divine substance. Fully God and Fully Man. The truth of the Trinity that was foreshadowed across the Hebrew Scriptures is also reflected in the writings of Greek Philosophers like Plotinus who was non-jewish and pretty anti Christian. He wrote in the 3rd century AD about the One, the Intellect and the Soul. Each one a hypostasis which means a state, that works in perfect union with creation because in the view of Plotinius those three hypostasis are what grounds the rest of reality as we know it. There is, like the Trinity a procession of hypostasis in the same way Christians profess that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. The Church Fathers describe the Trinity in a very similar way in their creeds and writings. This is what I meant the other day about Hellenist Judaism, which is what Christianity essentially what Christianity is. We are the true continuation of Israel at the time of Solomon's Temple explained using Greek terminology and philosophy. Hellenist Judaism was around long before Christ. But all of these three hypostatis and dual natures should not cloud what all of that explanation is in aid of understanding, there is One God. That is the first line of our Creed "I believe in One God..". We must keep true that that fundamental Truth of the Triune God which is the only real monotheism.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
God died then He rose from the dead on the third day, according to the scriptures. @@ixisinvestigator6009
Your example lacked sorely. Here's how: Pretend I'm the Imman. "No, I've never heard of hypostatic union? What is it and how does it answer my question?" I noticed that, in spite of the constant insistence that there is value in theological doctrines, such as Christology and the Trinity, I have yet to see either make a serious leap from theory to application. It's nonsense, just like the student said in the beginning.
he really showed them muslims
Human has an H in front of the U.
poor confused people. Jesus Christ was the Son of God which means Mary only carried and birthed him. So Jesus was the first divine man. No hypostatic union and no fantasma.
HONEST VERSION: it is that his dualistic nature loved you but yet hate you for the day of the rapture, if you are not a believer ! for he is a demon in disguise and a one eyed dajjal but i am way to much brainwashed by jesus to say you this !
@@ixisinvestigator6009 who James White ?
@@andredejong6890 i don't know
And let us not forget that the one person which is Jesus is Divine! The Hypostatic Union which says that Jesus has two natures, one of which is human and the other which is Divine, are contained in only one Person, and that Person is Divine, not human. Jesus is one Divine Person, with a Divine and a human nature. Very important. Jesus is NOT a human person.
Yes and let us put our mine that the Second Divine Person of Blessed Trinity.(Jesus Christ) who posses the Godhead or Divine nature the same to Fr and HS did not absorb into human nature or does not absorve into human body and human soul.He reamain infinite,co eternal to the Bleased Trinity.Yes by the mystery of incarnation he added another nature,the nature of man or human nature which have a components the human body and human soul that could be separated by death.