The Best Sim Racing Product I Own - NLR Motion Plus Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
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Here is my review of the Next Level Racing Motion Plus system, which provides a 2DOF (pitch and roll) chassis motion system for racing and flight simulators.
The Motion Plus is designed for use with the F GT Elite, GT Elite and GT Track cockpits, but could potentially be fitted to a third-party cockpit.
To learn more, including where to buy the Motion Plus, visit: nextlevelracing.com/products/...
🕐 CHAPTERS 🕐
0:00 Intro
1:21 Unboxing the Motion Plus
5:34 NLR Motion Plus Features
7:02 Assembly and Installation Notes
10:16 Tuning the Motion Plus
26:54 Testing a Bouncy Tune
30:05 Review and Final Thoughts
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I just want to state that I have a Next Level V3 Motion $3,000.00 unit. This is the second one I have owned with the first one failing and replaced by Next Level. The replacement unit has failed to operate correctly as well. Both have had the identical problem of not being able to align the platform correctly, which results in the seat being slanted to one side by two inches.
I have been in contact with their support for three months now dealing with two support personnel. I have received far too many requests (some repetitive) to 'Try This/ That' which required me to disassemble and reassemble my rig many times with not a solution to my problem. Sometimes a reply from Next Level regarding the problem took five business days. I have been a faithful buyer/ fan of Next Level for years, however I will not purchase another item from them.
Regarding their support... it Ain't what it used to be.
Thanks for the honest info, as requiring support when hardware issues like this arise is very important. Expensive gear such as this that is proprietary to one company is rendered worthless, as only an electrical engineer would be able to even look at it.
Hey Jack . how did things pan out ?
im really hooked on getting the v3 or motion plus unit but after reading your comment im kinda scared
i hate dealing with tech support :(
merry xmas
@@Baltuc_Racing Things haven't panned out yet Mike. With the unit weighing about 75 pounds, I didn't want to pay for the shipping to and from the USA to Australia. Next Level found a sim dealer two hours from my house that would replace the part. Next Level contacted the sim dealer with the part number to order. I called the sim dealer and they told me they could fix my V3 and that they would call me when the part came in. They didn't call back. I contacted them again, and was told that they would locate the needed part, and when they found it they would call me back. That was two weeks ago, and no one has contacted me. I'll try one more time after the holidays and that's it. When it worked it was great, however when it doesn't work it's not so great. Merry Xmas to you also sir.
@@jackbackus2117 man thats a bummer if ever , what a total letdown
I really feel for you buddy .
Fingers crossed for a xmas miracle 🤞
@@jackbackus2117 Did you ever get it fixed?
Hi Mike, you the man! Just want to say that you and your friendly, honest, and high quality videos are much appreciated
Awesome content as usual! AMS2 F1 GEN2 car with motion and VR is amazing!
Thanks for the review, Mike! :)
Great review Mike. The only thing I think needs to be mentioned is that the Sigma Unit(and maybe others) is like owning 2 of these for that $5100. Or you can get the 3DOF Sigma for $3900. I don't work for them but have been doing loads of research on this lately.
Yeah, I did a bit of a cost comparison near the end, and I did mention that 3DOF Sigma for $5,100
Also the weight capacity on the Sigma options are not comparable to this
I have a Sigma DK2 4 actuator and it handles my Simlabs P1X, DD2 base, HE Ultimates and pedal tray with ease, not to mention my 270 weight
I would buy the Sigma but I'm not sure if it is able to attach into the NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 which has the Seat Add On attached into it, so it's a "full frame".
Great review Mike!
Broooooo I can’t wait to get mines I’m happy for you my friend 🙏🏽✅
Thanks for the review.
Fantastic review! Motion is definitely my next move but with so many options and the price it'll be a lengthy research period lol
Been saving up for about 2 years now for this...hopefully I can get a discount/goes on sale!
I've been waiting for this video 🤘
Thanks for the support!
Love the video and information. Went straight to comment section. Also Wondering if your going to do video detailing How it feels with and without the V3 motion emotion added. Thanks again for Everything you've put out. It's really helped me on my adventure with SIM racing. 🏎 🏁
@@mercenarysaw that’s fantastic to read! Thank you for the positivity!
Really good Review Like it 💪
Thanks so much
Thanks for the review Mike! Would it be possible to achieve vertical heave if the unit is placed under the seat with the pivot bar at the front?
do these only work with the manufacture's sim rigs or can I plop my Playseat Evo on top of one of these?
That is really cool. I am really glad that it will fit my GT Track too. Are you running the other motion rig at the same time, the seat mover?
Nice video. Thanks for sharing your information. However quite a time I can afford one of you still have already made the next version
Super Mike! Just One question : if I have to choose between this and the V3, which one must I choose for realistic...best regards from Belgium
How does this compare to the seat mover? And is it loud? Sound is a concern for me as I live in a apartment
Hey Mike, saw u have tried v3 and plus. If u can only pick 1, which one is a better and more immersive motion?
Guess you've got that white table bolted down now, if you're happy to put that beast on it! Looks amazing. Out of my reach, but fun to see what it can do.
Thank you for showing your tuning process in this video! Though i wont be buying this anytime soon lol.
Question: When i see you or anyone else setting up a device like this, it seems to come from at least a fairly decent understanding of the simulated cars' suspensions and other such things.
How would a car noob know how to adjust the settings on this device? just general feel?
So between this and their seat mover... Which one was Ur favorite? And thanks for all Ur reviews man. Love them.
Hi Mike, does it support engine rev and 'shifting' ?
Mike. I'm not really into Motion for my rig. But I still watched/Liked/ Comment.. for the culture!!
Thanks my dude!
Very well done video, Mike. It seems like the range of motion on this unit is less than many other 3DOF sims out there. I understand how motion sims work, and that they don’t replicate motion IRL, but more trick the rider into believing what he or she is seeing (especially in VR), but still, this NLR device looks to be fairly minimal compared to the DOF Reality, and the upcoming Yaw 2, both of which come in < the price of this NLR rig. This pricing comparison is exacerbated when you realize you need to supply/purchase a complete sim rig in addition to the NLR device, which will push you well over $4,000.
dof reality is very slow and laggy. and ffffinnicky
as an owner of fully self made 6DOF motion rig i know what you feel Mike, once you go motion there is no way back. it feels strange now when racing without motion. there is something obvious that is missing :) great setup!
EDIT: after watching entire video, try putting it in reverse (motion piece in front). this way you will feel better those sausage kerbs when you hit them with your front wheels. also, in regards to monitors - it is personal preference i think but one thing to consider is the amount of movement - especially if you add YAW to a motion rig - then it is like using eyetracker you turn your head and need to compensate with your eyes... now, try that in VR :)
Yes. The motion should go up front 100 percent. I didn't see the vid, I listened to it but it should be where there is less weight from what I know.
I'll say in my limited experience with motion, I choose the fastest car that I use regularly and set the motion to that car. That way if I use a lower power car the motion will feel less aggressive naturally, otherwise you have to set a motion profile for every car in each game which can be a pain. :)
Also I feel this product is very expensive for what it is (I feel the same about the seat mover) but I suppose it's intended customer is one that is less DIY and more Plug and Play.
Either way, more motion options is not a bad thing!!!
My bank account keeps taking hits everytime you post a hardware video 🤣 Great stuff! God bless and race on 👍😎🏁
For reals 😆
with which one you had a better experience? Motion Plus or Motion Platform V3? I like plus as the whole rig can move to left and right but V3 has the option to move front and back too, my concerns with V3 is losing the sens on the pedals as it is static.
I know this is a bit late considering when you posted this.. long story short I watched your video on the slip angle haptic feedback and I snagged that... now I am ready for this motion system. My questions are, did you run this front and rear mounted?? If so what are your thoughts on both mount locations?? Secondly. Do you run haptic transducers with this?? If so how many?? Will I need to run 4 at all 4 corners ontop of this motion system?? Or did you find yourself only needing to run 1 transducer under your seat while using this motion system?? Sorry for the barrage of questions. But I appreciate any advice you send my way!
Great video I appreciate you including the price.
Thanks Ryan! I appreciate the support man
Hey Mike, what are your thoughts on omitting the V3 motion unit? Do you feel that having the V3 and motion plus is the way to go or get rid of the V3 and use 2 motion plus units front and rear?
I have the V3 and was going to get 2 motion plus units front and rear is why I ask.
Thanks for your input
Wondering the same thing 🤔
How does the NLRv3 integrate with this unit when combined? Thanks
hi sir,,,,would you recommend this motion plus over the motion v3?
How is the idle movement? I heard that it moves a bit.
Hi Mike, excellent review as usual. Not sure why does the unit has to be installed with the on/off switch towards the front of the cockpit? Pls advise as I have it installed with the switch inwards for easy access and didn’t feel any issue.
Thanks so much for the kind words. To my knowledge, the unit must be installed with the switch facing forward (either at the front or rear of the cockpit). Step 3.4 in the instruction manual says that the power and USB must always face forward, and there is no support for reversing the effects
Nice review Mike! Can you do a follow up on how the V3 seat mover integrates with this Plus? It looks like you have both installed and enabled.
Hey Pete! Yea, I could absolutely do that. Thanks for the idea man
is there anything new about this topic?
thx for the review. I will get the motion plus tomorrow, I hope it will work well together with my V3
You’ll love it!
@@SimRacing604 Yes I do:-)
after a day of testing I'm impressed. Very intense and it works perfekt with the V3. One question: I have read, that the motion plus can simulate engine vibrations when the car is parked. Where can this be set, or does it not exist at all?
@@kohcyrus3543 Since every reviewer seems to avoid this question, maybe you can help. I have a Traction Plus and can put either a V3 or a SINGLE Motion Plus on the unit. If you had to choose one, which one would you pick? V3 or Motion Plus. (As a side note, 90% of the time I am driving rally).
@@asdfhiuh Hi steve, maybe I can help. There is one thing that the V3 does better, the sway effect. Wenn I switch off the V3 and drive only with the motion plus, I really miss the longitudinal G force. All the other effects are more realistic with the motion plus because the whole rig moves and not only the seat.
Overall I would prefer the motion plus, but there is on drawback, you need two motion plus to have a realistic lateral G-force. With one motion plus the lateral effect is not that good, it wobbles only and that's not a good solution. Maybe it is better, when the motion plus is mounted at the back, I have it at the front because of the V3 and for me the lateral effect feels like wobbling because the seesaw is under the seat. I hope I can buy a second motion plus next year ,-)
The V3 offers you a lot of fun, especially in rally sims, but it' feels not that realistic because your steering wheel and your pedals don't move. For a decision, I think it comes down to what's more important to you, realism or action.
@@kohcyrus3543 Thanks for your input. Very much appreciated! :)
Great review but overpriced for sure.
Agreed
My recently delivered unit did come with all the tools required. So your package was faulty i think.
Thanks for the review anyway, cause i am roughly at your body dimensions and did have some thinking about the maximum usable weight of the unit.
Which you showed me wrong. Cheers!
Hey Mike, after a year, would you still recommend this Motion Plus system over the V3 or other systems you've tested since?
I haven’t tested any since, but a year in, I would still give a huge recommendation to this Motion Plus. It’s fantastic. I can’t use it as often as I would like because it makes content creation difficult, but whenever I use it I never want to go back.
I'm thinking of getting this and the V3 seat mover. You mentioned you're getting a second unit for the rear so do you feel it's missing something with only one unit? I would go with the Sigma or the Simrig SR2 but I don't think they can be attached into the Wheel Stand 2.0 with the Seat Add On added. I could be wrong.
I dream of getting a second unit, but I can’t afford it at this point. The second unit would add heave, which would be nice. The Sigma setup is nice; I’m sure you’d be happy with either.
@@SimRacing604 Thanks for the reply! Great video as well :)
Can I have your old seat mover? It would work perfectly with my GT Ultimate V2 :)
Mike what did you use on your monitors to camouflage the bezel in the middle
ASUS ROG Bezel Free Kit
Great video! So I have the nlr v3 seat mover already and it’s great. So this is another $3500 on top of that….did you find the incremental immersion over just the v3 swat mover to be that dramatic? I think yes from the tone of your review but wanted to ask. If you got a 2nd unit of this thing, does that negate the need for the v3 seat mover? I can’t figure out how the v3 seat mover is meant to compliment this rig mover.
Next level states that the v3 seat movers is to simulate G forces but this mover simulates chassis movement 👌
@@mercenarysaw I saw that so it would give more movement for the cockpit, but it’s still only 2DOF unless you spent $7000 to get 2 of the new units (and either keep or sell the seat mover). Tough sell for many who already have a v3 seat mover to spend $3500 and not get that much more than what you already have.
WILL THIS WORK ON A SIMLAB GT EVO COCKPIT?
The Simrig SR1 is 2900 dollars and 3DOF, and their software is the best... Daaa best.
There you go. Interesting
The SR1 is $6000!
@@Tin_Fed Nooot even close, buddy. SR1 from Simrig is 2900 dollars. The twice as powerful SR2 is 3700 dollars. Nothing from swedish company Simrig is 6000$. Nada…
@@PetterHegevall_ My mistake. I was looking at the Australian simrig site.
I'm also enjoying my Simrig SR1. Great value for money, and the software is easy to use. It's weakest point is that the actuators are not the strongest on the market, so I found that I have to dampen the system a bit using the "Spring stiffness" setting in order to not overload the actuators during longer sessions. I suspect that the NLR Motion Plus is roughly in the same power category, but that's just speculation on my part.
Nice high tech measuring tool! For a sec idk why but I thought you were gonna whip out a massive caliper lol
This is waaay out of my league just like 2 years ago when fanatec stuff was waaay out of my league... We all know where this is going... Must. Resist. Temptation. Easy boy! Calm down!
😂😂 Apparently it’s called a “ruler”. I’m new to using it. Normally I just take off a shoe and use that as a standard.
Thanks for watching, my friend! I hope you’re doing well.
@@SimRacing604 haha, likewise buddy!
This is a great concept that unfortunatly is hindered by price being more than double what it should be. for 3500 I am buying a dof-reality 3 axis cockpit not a 2ish axis foot addon.
How does this compare to the dbox?
I just ordered mine. Do you recommend to install it at the front or at the back ?
Congratulations! You’re going to love it. If it’s your only piece of motion gear, I’d recommend mounting it at the rear. It should be more effective there
@SimRacing604 thanks. That was my initial thought too. More road texture feeling and roll under from rear mount. But I also think that front mount would be better for brake sensation
will it fit simlabs px1 rig
wow Mike, nice.
Congrats 🙂
Thanks Rod!
If you use this software, can you use simhub in same time to have a buttkicker and a tablet working in same time ?
Currently I am using 5 buttkickers for the immersion, this looks like the next step.
Thank you for the video
Yes,
@@davids2361 I don t know how you do. If you launch the game with the software for the motion platform, you don t do it with simhub. If you are launching the game with simhub, you have the same problem.
No problem, only in BeamNG you need some UDP port-forwarding which I wouldn't get to work. The NLR-software also supports shakers, but I guess SimHub is better by now since I also ditched SimVibe for it. In the 4k range you have other choices as well. SimXperience GS-5 and G-Seat is what I'm using and 6 DOF is unbeatable, but it can't bang you around like a real car or powerful motion-rig. Simrig SR2 has a good price per performance, but 4-pole motion doesn't do any significant g-force feeling other than bumps and this NLR Motion Plus seems rather a nice addition for NLR v3 owners. The best is trying before buying because personal preferences can differ a lot like with FFB.
do you like it better than the v3 motion platform? Could u compare them?
I’ve got a video coming up soon that will address this. But in summary, the chassis mover is more immersive, but the seat mover is more fun
@@SimRacing604 Thanks brother. I have the v3 so prob I'll keep it so save money. Love your videos and I'm so glad you chose to keep making videos. Best of luck!!!
@@luismendez841 thanks for the support, Luis!
@@SimRacing604 Thank you for taking the effort to make videos. I wonder if the NLR motion plus can be used with the v3 simultaneously?
Waiting for someone to make this around 1500 usd.
No emergency stop? There should be one with a power button. That’s a real bummer.
Alternatively I started using a cord with an inline power switch for my NLR V3. It works pretty good.
Will this work with Xbox like the new butt kicker
only for PC
This doesn't simulate acceleration or braking - forward and back motions. This brakes the immersion, especially in VR !
What do you think pitch is?
@@SimRacing604 I know what pitch is, but watching your video there is no forward or backward movements when accelerating and braking?
I’d take one for free too 😜
Looks great but incredibly overpriced !!
For that price they should chuck in a snap on tool kit .
First
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Lol but guys, imperial units are trash
U got motion and a csl dd? Is nonsense. Sell that csl dd and buy a simucube 2 pro
You’re full of it. Club Sport DD+, there’s nothing better.
hi, nice video congratulations, I wanted to ask is it compatible with xbox series x?
Hey SimRacing604. Do you have a Steam ID I can PM you at? I'd like to shoot you a message about something...