The Steven Stamkos era comes to an end in Tampa Bay
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- July 1, 2024, will forever be known as a dark day in Lightning history. It was announced that franchise icon and captain Steven Stamkos would be leaving Tampa Bay to sign a four-year deal worth $32 million to play in Nashville. We discuss the news and why it is so shocking, while also pointing out why it is not a surprise. We go in depth about what Stamkos means to the Lightning, and what his legacy will be in Tampa Bay. We wrap things up with the story that was overshadowed. The Lightning were able to reach a deal with Jake Guentzel. We take a look at how he will fair in Tampa Bay.
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Mark Giordano , previously of the Toronto Maple leaf's, at the end of his career, took a team friendly contract at of 1 million a year to finish out his career at the team of his dreams , the Maple Leaf's. He had previously made a great deal more money per year with the Calgary Flames ( I think Calgary, not sure). After you have established yourself as a premier player, you make very good money, much more than the depth players. Stamkos had made 8 million a year for 8 years and an substantial amount before that so, it is difficult to know exactly what he has in the bank ( essentially his net worth) After you have 40 million plus ( that is an conservative estimate) to live on, with interest rates high for large deposits, you can easily live an exceptional entire life on that amount of money without doing a thing or very little unless you piss it away. The need to max out your career for a few million more at the cost of giving up you preferred team and town is a decision that he made for some reason. We do not know what JBB offered him. With many other players making their deserved money now, Stamkos has to know that with cap, JBB had a limited budget to work with. /Stankos had to realize that after he has made his money, he needs to accept a serious discount as Jbb doesn't have the cap room. Stamkos had plenty of money because of the Lightning giving him a generous contract for 8 years. Now would have been the time to pay it back and continue to live here instead of disrupting you family, wife, etc with a move to a different team. I am sure JBB offered him something? We will never know and all we will hear is speculation, but to me, he should have played her for very little as it would allow the team to afford better players to compete. In my opinion, he sacrificed his career here as a Bolt, his well being of his family and now his kids by uprooting them to a new location. He did this at the cost of his ego. My take
@@invecta18 couldn’t agree with you more 🤝
I don't disagree with you but if the reports are true that they offered him 8 years at 3 mill per that's an insult to Stamkos, sure he's made his money but name me another 40 goal scoring good (not great) but good defensive player you can get for 3 million a year? I said in a previous video that Stamkos should've given Tampa's front office more time but he got his one last big contract you can't blame him for that and also you can't blame him for being mad that it even got to this point he should've had a contract last year, he gave them first dibs and didn't even entertain other teams his last free agency from what I've read so Tampa shouldn't have let him become a free agent this time around
@@invecta18 buddy don’t compare Giordano taking a team friendly contract with leafs when he was 40 years old to Stamkos who’s 34 lol. Not a great comparable.
@@tylerreigle6462 But he took a 4 year deal so realistically they offered him term to get the cap down. Essentially 4 x 6 which is still nice for his age and production.
Might be one of the only one to say this but Brisebois did a great move there. Let's face it, we were clearly moving away from a Cup contender status. We were twenty in 5 vs 5 scoring last year, the only thing that kept us above the playoff line, was the PP. Stamkos scored 40 goals and did 19 on the PP, so that means he was 20 goals scorer at 5 vs 5 and it made us easy to kill in playoffs. Kill the PP, kill the Lightning. Kucherov fed him a lot of these goals also. He played well with us, he was the leader of this team and brought us great memories but the money he asked was the money needed to make the retool. But looking forward, Detroit is younger getting more mature and were one point away from playoffs while we on the other end were becoming what the Pens and Caps have been for the last 3 years if we didn't make any changes and giving Stamkos 8 millions for a four year contract at 34 seems very risky and we needed to diversify the team. The Geekie and Moser acquisition are making the team younger while not giving away playoff hopes. Guentzel will complement Point and Kuch beautifully and is the same age not 5 years older which maintains our window open. I think these trades made us weaker for next year but it's the kind of tendency we needed to take now if we want to avoid a long lasting period of total rebuild starting in three years that's going to last forever... Tough move, didn't like how it was done, but it had to be done and I'm grateful JBB did it. Sergachev move was genius. Arizona said Geekie was NHL ready, I can't wait to see what he does, it seems like forever since the Lightning developed a great prospect. Really looking forward for him to play. It'd be interesting to see him in the lineup.
It was painfully obvious after the 1st round exit against the leafs that something needed to be done. I was in favor of trading Stamkos and/or Hedman back then and start a major retool but that would waste point/kuch/vasy time left so this is better. Retool the forwards and defense and make another run at it while we have guys in their prime.
Lightning need to go after, Tarasenko.. Or what was the point paying Guentzal all that money.. Tarasenko, a legit 2nd Line Wing and 2nd Line of Power Play. Then, it would make your 3rd and 4th Forward Line better. By bumping 1 person down. (Obviously)
They sign 35yo midget Cam Atkinson for 900k
Not to mention we traded away one of the game's best middle-aged dmen in Sergachev.... All to sign Guetzel lol SMH.. He was the eventual replacement for Hedman. Now we have no young dman that can take over and be our #1 guy in the next year or so. McDonagh and Hedman will both be 35-37 respectively in two years time. Moser is not gonna be a #1, and we have no good D prospects in Syracuse. Silly moves are hurting us.
I feel like other moves could have been made to keep Stammer and bring in Guentzel. The McDonagh is a head scratcher for me. JBB doesn't wanna pay 34 year old Stammer 5M x 5 or 6 but is happy bringing in a 36 Y.O McD at 6.7 x 2? Looking at what Washington had to pay for Chychrun, I feel Tampa could have matched that offer while saving cap and getting younger.
Cernak needed McDonagh to be effective. I view it as getting the best version of Cernak as well as McDonagh back, which collectively is more valuable to this team than Stamkos.
high end defencemans are more valuable than a declining power play specialist whose 5v5 production and pus/minus was in freefall. 🤷🏼♂
Top Defensive players can play later into 30s and be effective. They can play smart when their bodies slow down. Forwards tend to fade out earlier when their bodies start to slow down and he was never a net front or boards guy. I hope him the best but I wouldn't be shocked if by halfway through year 2 of his deal it starts to look bad. It also seems that JBB wants to address 5 on 5 play which is where the team has struggled the last 2 years. Oilers and Panthers shut down team's PP and when you only can get PP goals your team doesn't last long in the playoffs.
Fire JB… this clown ended the Stamkos era way too early and lost our team’s identity. That is the toughest part of this all… it’s not all the goals stammer scores, or him being the captain and him being a fall of famer. It’s that Stammer is the main piece that gives the bolts a true identity and now we’ve lost that. Geutzel IMO is a strange fit, I don’t see him being the guy we needed to pursue at all. We needed a right hand shot guy and pretty much brought in another Hagel.
He should've taken the deal he was offered if he wanted to stay. You don't get to play the sad angle and then go take a gigantic contract.
you give that kind of contract that NSH gave to steven, to a team that's on the verge of rebuilding, or a team that has the cap space and can afford it. tampa isn't anywhere near that. to give stamkos a player-friendly deal would hamper their ability to upgrade, let alone maintain the team.
a team that is 14th ranked in average age of the roster. a team still has kucherov, point, hagel, hedman, vasilevskiy, and others, isn't going to sacrifice or limit its potential by giving stamkos a sack of cash and term. steven "says" he wanted $4-5m AAV. tampa offered $3m x 8y which was retarded.
if you watched the JBB press conference monday night of free agency day, he said that steven had a "financial expectation" of what he wanted to get paid. so it was def more than $4-$5m/year. thing is, JBB and steven aren't going to shit-talk each other in public, so we'll never know the truth.
paying a 34-year old declining PP specialist winger, with a dog-shit minus 21...it would be pickpocketing the team's future from its existing prime-age players.
that's awful asset and time management.
Just a bunch of schmoes now. Complete collapse inbound.
Lets goooo danky never seen this many comments before
luckily none of the bellyaching pylons are TBL owner jeff vinik, who famously appoints highly competent people and lets them do their jobs to the best of their abilities. most teams in the NHL would LOVE to have JBB at the GM.
GM's can get and have gotten fired for too much loyalty. VGK (as an example) proved that a cutthroat, not-giving-a-fu*k attitude can win you a cup. the salary cap (circa 2005) put an end to the era of "thank you for your service" contracts.
giving those legacy deals might make casual fans feel warm and fuzzy inside, but it doesn't help the team win, either short-term or long-term. at the end of the day JBB's job is to keep the TBL moving, not to keep players that want to be here, at the expense of the overall best interests of the team.
Cap goes up 8M in the next 2 years, those will look like bargains, we also have Hedman and Kucherov who have been playing on the best value contract the league has ever seen. As long as the cap rises this team will be better and better in value. Also JBB got us out of the absolute cap hell in 22 in just 2 years still with a competitive group, I mean look at the avs and how bad of a shape they're in cap wise
Hedman resigned. I would not be so sure about Kucherov. You ship away Stamkos and Sergachev in one week. Before that I fully expected Kucherov to finish his career with the Lightning. Now I think he might be open to suggestions.
@@gogaonzhezhora8640 never said he was gonna stay just saying he's playing on one of the greatest value contract for his production.
Hedman 8M х 4
Trade Sheary to Anaheim and sign Sprong or Roslovic! Wtf?
Overpaid contracts :
Cernak 5,2M x 7
McDonagh 6,75M х 2 (36 yo)
Cirelli 6,25M х 7
N Ofc Sheary
At least he signed in the west
The thing that concerns me is 1. Can Jake all the pressure to perform. Seen it to many times in sports. Some players can’t handle that. Unfortunately there will be fans that will boo. If we get off to a slow start again or the power play isn’t doing good. There will be booing and chanting “Stamkos”. Hope not but we’ll see. I believe they should have found away to keep stamkos. Get rid of Sherry. Perbix. What ever.
@@tonysoprano7777 Guentzel is a leader and gamer, he’ll handle the pressure fine
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Shameful lightning.
Our roster :
Guenzel-Point-Kucherov
Paul-Cirelli-Hagel
Sheary-Eyssimont-Chaffee
Girgensons-Glendenning-Gonsalves (geekee)
Hedman-Raddysh
McDonagh-Cernak
Moser-Perbix
Vasilevskiy, Johansson
That’s a terrible lineup.
@@jayTeal 💯😢
Yikes hahaha. Not looking good at at!
What about Motte and Lilleburg
@@beverlyb1881 Motte UFA, Lillinberg 7 def/ Ahl
Nashville still won’t win the cup, all money grab
If Tampa does not make the playoffs, then Brisebois must leave!
like most time I disagree the only reason i listen is I had to move away and any news was welcome I will no longer listen
Bubble championship.
Back 2 back🏆🏆
Cap cheating.
@@jayTeal rattled
@@jayTeal Cope Harder.
I think Stamkos is acting like a victim as well, very unprofessional. I'm sick and tired if all these people bashing the organization and Briesbois. Excited for all new players and hopefully the rest of team welcomes them