Roland TR-8S Rythm Performer - presentation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- We got a visit from Roland's Global Artist Relations Product Specialist David Åhlund, who gave us a deep look at what the TR-8S Rhythm Performer can do.
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First thing I will do is erase that deep down sample.
LOL!
Yes
it was the wrong one to showcase for sure
10:48 my god how did it even take them that long
same
This is a primary example of how a good product presentation and a good interview is done: structured, to the point, no blah-blah, brilliant. Another good job from those two neat fellas.
DEEPDOWNINSIDE DEEPDEEPDOWNINSIDE ARGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Ugh
David’s groove at the end is *so* much better than the “Deep down inside” thing 😄. This box looks like one of Roland’s best efforts in quite a while. I want one... given all of my (ahem) Swedish boxes it is tough to justify. I am infatuated with drum machines and groove boxes.
Great to see two legends together. Thanks Nick and David. Love the TR8s
Here we go!
The TR-8S is the next candidate for a Friday Fun Session. Go for it Nick!
Roland's most beautiful instrument since the original Jupiter 8. Great demonstration and sound. Thanks for uploading.
I like the TR-8S, I think it is a great upgrade! And YES, I think the COLORS are AWESOME!! I wish I could customize all of my synths like that!! ;)
We all have these samples but this could be very inspiring to have them all in one box with the reverb, delay, scatter, fills and other features. I can see myself coming up with something new on this. And finally an AIRA I can look at without puking.
Absolute instabuy. Thank you Roland! Very proud Tr8 owner happy to upgrade.
It’s a nice upgrade! Enjoying mine. Keeping my tr8 also. May team it up with a 404A.
Great presentation, lots of infos, clear, focused, I see this is a great instrument indeed.
That was so awesome !!!
I'm ordering mine today !!!
very nice look around and demo - it's pretty darn cool
"Deep down inside" - Nick looks proper cheesed off with it.
Nick you are the best channel on TH-cam, IMO.
Congratulations to the interviewer. Good questions Thanks.
Love the groove at the end. I’m sold.
I picked up my TR-8S last Saturday. It is indeed a lovely drum machine. Sample loading is great, especially if you like old vintage ROM sample based drum machines like the Linn, DMX and Drumtraks etc... I had a blast using LM1 drum samples on this - it feels like using an original drum machine with the user interface/workflow on the TR-8S. Also the 808/909 emulation via ACB on this is superb. More than anything, using the TR-8S is just fun and instant. I have an Octatrack MKII and that's a whole world away from using the Roland...
Cheers for the feedback! Have you noticed any digital "glitch" or hiccups with the sample loading / pattern changing? I only ask because this was an obvious issue with the recent Korg Electribe Sampler and wondering if Roland has similar build quality. Cheers again!
You going to keep the Octatrack? I was thinking of getting both too.
Apparently this does happen with pre-1.02 firmware when changing a pattern also changes to a different _kit_.
I have to say that this loads pattern and sample sets/kits flawlessly. I can jump between patterns and kits with no lag or clicks - actually it's really fun switching kits with a pattern playing :) The whole thing is super responsive. I had a TR-8 before this (sold it on eBay the day the TR-8S was announced), and whilst that's good it's nothing compared to the depth of functionality/sounds the TR-8S has.
The Octatrack is my main point of sequencing (I don't use a computer), so it won't be going anywhere. Also I upgraded to a MKII just recently (makes life a lot easier). To be fair, the TR-8S is never going to complete sampling/sequencing wise with the Octatrack.
Very loving to let Phil be a part of this ❤😂
The TR-8S is a blast. Hands down the best out-of-the-box performance drum machine / groove box out there right now. It blows away the E2's in terms of hands on performance capabilities (E2 wins in terms of synthesis though). As a performance tool, given the caveat that someone that has spent many lifetimes getting amazing on a Rytm could do wayyy more, it's "better" than a Rytm in terms of live performance... If the Rytm had faders and assignable individual outputs it would "win" at like 2.5x the price so not really apples to apples.
Here's how I'd describe it among the likely competition in car terms:
* The E2 is like a souped up Mustang on the street: Fast, good performance, fun, but lack of handling leaves you a bit down...
* The Rytm is like driving a fully prepped race car on the street: Mind numbing capability... Performance for miles... But takes forever to get it up and running and you'll stall at every traffic light (as you scour the manual and forum posts to figure out how to do even basic stuff) and is way more expensive.
* The TR is like driving an M3 on the street. Turn the key and start burning tires and gettin' tickets.
The assignable outs are awesome! Mixed with the external inputs that allows sidechaining... So cool.
Few things I've tried that are fun:
*Route a few voices out through A/B stereo pair in Boss DD-500 for some crazy delay mangling, then route DD-500 back into TR with kick assigned to sidechain for some good old pumpapumpa...
*Route external MIDI CC LFO's from iPad (Running Bram Bos Rosetta LFO in AUM) via 5 pin midi because Roland are retarded and have yet to discover what Class Compliant means) the assignable controls/gains, etc. for some trippy-ass sound warping/mangling
* Use single cycle waveforms as osc sources and take advantage of the pretty extensive sample filtering options and envelopes
* SOOO many FX, filters, options, etc..
Things I miss:
*Ability to exclude/bypass certain voices from master FX
*No mute groups. You can solo, and you can clear mutes, but you can't queue mutes like on AR
*Really really hope Roland allows the ability to assign the three knobs like you can the CTRL knob. I'd love to have more hands on control of some deeper parameters of Voice FX. I rarely mess with tune knob, so if I could assign CTRL to Cutoff and Tune to Rez, that would be cool.
*Wish there was a per-voice delay, not just on master... But as I wrote above, with external outs that's "fixable"
*Oh... And why the F doesn't Roland send out MIDI from the sequencer?!!! They are apparently suffering from the same "let's intentionally limit out stuff" as Elektron... :(
That's easy! A BMW 2002! :)
Very very very cool machine.
I'm sold.
@4:46 - Note that you can ALSO use the variations AS fills... Soooo.. you can set auto fill to something like 4 bars, have A's fill 1 be variation F, then have variation F's fill 1 be variation B, then have variation B's fill be variation D, etc. etc. Now, because Autofill is set to 4 bars, you will often get patterns just going A>B>C, etc. but every 4th bar, depending on the currently playing variation, it will kick off a "branch" to another variation... This allows for some REALLY long, evolving patterns that are not just random, but can have some underlying structure to them that you can manually interrupt with manual fills, changing to fill2, or even changing fill to scatter... You could play for days on the same pattern and never hear the same thing twice... Pretty awesome...
@14:00 - While people have noted lack of song mode, you can set it up so that it will play back multiple patterns in a row... So you can play Patt1 thru Patt5 and it will loop, then play with variations while those patterns loop around... You just can't say, "play pattern 1 2x, then play pattern 2...
The Drümünkey Hopefully they’ll add functionality where you can play one pattern 2 times and another 4 times etc. Even some of the Teenage Engineering Pocket operators let you do that.
Couldn't you c/p pattern 1 in 2 slots then play them back and forth 4 times then pattern 3 and 4 the same way x2, I mean with variations that could work, right?
This is the hottest update for Roland on any product....let the discussion begin!
Ambient Sequential Synth Performer OK, let's discuss then... How can the TR-8S be called an update? It's not an update, it's not an upgrade, it's a replacement for its predecessor TR 8 that was sold as an upgradable (!) machine when it came out. That's why I'd say the TR 8S is a new machine based on a rip-off basically. Everyone who bought the TR 8, expecting Roland to truely support and upgrade it in an ambitious way and for a reasonable amount of time, got let down. The TR 8 was one of the first ACB instruments and sold by Roland as an expandable machine. So as a customer you would expect improvements in ACB tech to find their way into the TR 8 in the form of upgrades. It never received a real ACB upgrade though, only a (not exactly cheap) sample based expansion, even for the (originally analogue) 606 sounds. The TR 8 doesn't sound bad BUT it was promised to become so much more and to me this kind of "support" feels like a slap in the face really and it gets even worse: From the very beginning Roland have asked TR 8 users for suggestions for improvements, so of course this had many of us hoping to see these things brought to the TR 8 one day, not to a new machine making it absolete. The 8S would be a masterpiece if it was still the original TR 8 expanded to the functionality of the TR 8S. That said, personally I don't need sample playback in this machine, I don't need additional outputs, I don't need velocity sensitivity or any of that but I want the best possible ACB quality because that's what I was promised when I bought the TR 8: Sound quality and authenticity. Of course it could also have better sequencer functionality, like a roll function (sub-steps), last step per track and finally a copy A to B function (for crying out loud)...
You are correct, it is not an update, but whole new hardware with added control features on the front panel and behind. I never considered the TR-8 because I am not interested in 16 step sequencers, or 32, I hate the repetitiveness of these 1sy 2sy measure sequencers....so I did not buy it. But now that there are 8 variations of a pattern with fill options too, I am considering this beat maker. Add in sampling for adding non-drum sounds and it becomes more versatile for non-EDM music. I am a Korg Electribe2/Akai MPx16 combination user and are pretty happy, but I have not found any available beat machines to be a complete answer by themselves....except maybe the Akai MPX standalone $2000.00 machine....but I am not completely familiar with this new machine yet. For me, I want non-boring songs with variation live control of many patterns with many fills without chaining. I am still waiting....maybe the big bucks and the Akai is the answer????
Ambient Sequential Synth Performer Seems to me like you judge the 8S very much from the sequencer side of things and that is of course a lot better than the one in the TR 8 (how could it not be?). My focus is on the authentic sound of the 808 and 909 and analogue-ish behaviour of the knobs though. The new MPCs sure seem tempting but I would probably go with the Live instead of the X for its portability. 32 channels for external MIDI would be enough for me and I don't need the CV outs.
wow that looks like a really good drum maschine :) .. best product i have seen from roland in a very long time. .. I knowits being pushed very hard towards live use but if this is your only box live i think i would rather use other devices like a push 2 or something. But for jamming, for the drummer in a band, being experimental in the studio with all the outs and creating a groove and well drum maschine stuff it seems awesome!
Amazing stuff , thank you ^.^*
Muy bien very good...menos mal que poco a poco van haciendo bien las cosas...bien animo y vayamos todos con alegrias...
This device is actually a lot more compelling than I originally gave it credit for. Not sure it's for me, but very dope indeed!
Austin Brubaker - I agree, far more impressive than I first thought but what you going to do with it? Kind of thing you would play out for a month, then return to software for the same quality sounds with more scope beyond limited loop stepping. Great for this kind of demo, for that dude that had too many E’s and never got out the 90’s.
Stick around for (or jump ahead to) the jam at the end. Good stuff.
Great presentation :)
Big respect from abroad, mister Nick: you got me buying a few machines
Ahhh... those class compliant drivers. Someday Nick someday ...
Wanttoknowabout aha I laughed too
yes!
07:30 The step of altering the step gets interesting if you change the swing or groove of the steps for polyrhytms.
When Nick is impressed my wallet starts sweating...FFS Nick!
LOL
Honestly though, for sure.
Dang this looks interesting - 7 trig outs possible - Hummm. Of course will have to wait for a full SonicState review (and the wallet to stop smoking!). Thanks Nick, thanks Dave!
Is there a possibility to sample from the line inputs in a future firmware upgrade?
Very impressive. But will there be coming a tb3s? Would be awesome 😉
Looks nice. Noob question: Does it have any sort of note mode for me to input melodies for things like pianos? Or is that not what this box is about? (I'm new to all this). The melody he creates in the final performance - is that dependant on the other, grey box he's connected?
Hey, i like your aira glasses nick ! ;-))
First time I own a piece of kit before you guys get your hands on one...
Is this the return of the Groovebox? Just what I'm looking for. I'll take 2.
Yo this old man is no joke. He ask all the right questions
LOL WTF "deepdowninside" hahahaha.
..... Her ass😌
s.e.r.i.o.u.s.l.y !!!! 10:47 he fckn read all of our minds
no good reason for vocals in techno ... especially tacky shit ..... Wooo! it's getting hot in here ... so tak .... fuck off!
Some highlights:
1:45 "no green"
5:35 "is it tasteful"
:-)
Lightning fast there Nick, "doesn't record fader movements"
Probably by design.
My next questions:
1st: Can I record a keyboard/guitar input connected to the TR8S as an instrument into one of the variation banks (A-H). If so how?
2nd: Can one vary tempo level or have individual tempo levels for each input/instrument recorded into variation banks (A-H). If so how?
Thanks
Nice demo but It would of been nice to see how the samples are filed, loaded and edited. Does it have the basic sample start, sample end and pitch or can you chop up a loop for playback like with the Electribe units? Can you resample with built in effects?
mattsynth I don't think so. I think all editing has to be done before it's dropped in. I think once in it's a sample trigger
You can adjust pitch, start time and end time.
Glad to see that Roland has pulled their head out of their asses and added separate outputs.
A Beatstep Pro and a TR-8S, what more could you want as the backbone for a Synth Jam ( unless you want one of those other devices that are basically a whole Daw in hardware form but that`s what my PC and Pro Tools is for and not really for Jams )
jams are a really good brain exercise , its become the only way i make music now. it is really interesting. Its the APHEX TWIN way
@@disectormusic yep - the less mouse, the better,.,
Does anyone know if the effects show up via usb on each individual channel unlike the tr8 which only works on main output
So, when Roland were asking TR 8 users for feedback and suggestions for updates, I actually thought they were trying to improve the TR 8 ! It seems they were working on this as a replacement for it instead. I mean, the TR 8 was marketed as an expandable product, just like the system 1 but it has never received a real ACB upgrade and now the same company that sold it comes up with the only real competition for it to have it replaced - again: their own "expandable" product...! Wow! So far TR 8 users haven't even been supplied with recordable rolls or a simple A to B copy function yet, even though Roland have already improved ACB tech and made sub-steps available in the TR 08 and have always asked TR 8 customers for their opinion, as if they really cared... which they don't.
End track was cheerful and great, and seems like a very nice piece of kit overall. Well done Roland :)
16 Banks? My Unit has only 8 Banks... Is that just a wrong information or did they stripped it down?
It seems a very nice drum machine, with a lot of cool things for a live use. I'd like to know if it's possible to change the CTRL parameters while playing, and if would be possible to motion record these different parameter.
Blue Synth Cave you can
Great!! thank you!
yayyy!
Love to see someone who knows his gear. I love nick's reviews but when someone else is reviewing, he sometimes makes it look like an interrogation ; ).
To be fair this is a Roland guy showing the best bits, its up to me to press him on some of the details. He's not reviewing it, he's trying to get you to buy it. Which is his job of course. And David it a great guy
Sorry Nick, I didn't want to offend you. Just wanted to make funny remark. I know he is a great guy and you are doing a great job. Maybe it is my bad English. Keep interrogating!
I've been trying to find a beat machine that's close to or similar to the "E-MU SP-1200 Beat machine"
Would you say that the "Roland TR-8S Rhythm Performer is that machine?
Thanks!
KEEP GOING KEEP GOING KEEP GOING KEEP GOING KEEP GOING
this thing is awesome.. *eyes credit card*
I know it doesn't sample. But can you resample the internal stuff? Also the fact that you can't route tracks/fx, (like have sound 1 on track 1 through fx 1, route it to track 2 instead of the master and then route it to fx 2 etc...) is a missed opportunity, maybe they can implement it in an update..Would be a sound designers dream.
if this had battery operation too it would be my dream machine
I wonder if the ACB 808/909 is the same as in the Boutique series? That would be sweeeeeeeeeet!
Thanks for diplomatically bringing up Roland's lack of class-compliant support Nick.
I won't buy anything that relies on USB if it requires proprietary drivers. In my mind it equates to planned obsolescence.
At least in this case you could manage without USB as it has seperate outputs unlike the TR-8 or the Boutique 08 and 09. All you would lose is the MIDI/Audio interface over USB.
Not buying a TR-8S because of its proprietary USB drivers is rather short-sighted when even a cursory look at the features available prove that it is eminently useable as an entirely standalone instrument. I don't disagree with your initial sentiment, but Roland is doing Special Sauce things (more elaborate coding than a class-compliant interface would allow, probably) so that this and the rest of their AIRA range can integrate together into their MX-1 mixer. But no-one is _forcing_ you to use these features.
Back in the old days (80's - 90's) you had cartridges to upgrade firmware to fix bugs and add functions. USB makes this alot easier.
What makes you think this kit would become obsolete?
Drivers. Modern operating systems don't sit still (especially macOS) and once a product is discontinued, driver support tends to follow shortly after.
As I said, in the case of the TR-8S you would only lose the audio/midi interface so it would still function fine as a standalone drum machine. But a TR-08 would lose the ability to output audio over multiple channels.
That's what I said. The 08 and 09 rely on USB for seperate outputs. So when the drivers stop working, so will that ability. Unlike the TR-8S which has separate outputs that don't rely on USB.
It doesn't really matter that much though.... The focus on this machine is definitely hardware. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
I don't get the notion of people buying this machine for the DAW integration. It's just a bonus.
Hi....the sounds are all from the tr 8s?....thanks!!!!!
Sure it's nice but the one thing that i gotta ask though even if it's small thing please say it tells you the key when using the tuning knob ?
Rick James just use your ears
(EyeRoll) Nigga listen, if i wanted to just use my ear, I would not have ask the damn question.
Rick James It doesn’t, no.
Meh guess i'm not getting it.
Rick James But I can’t think of any drum machine that does 🤔
This looks like a great improvement over the original
PLEASE bring back Roland MC 909 maybe with anew face or with something more added
Why not three assignable knobs?
Anyone knows how good is the quality of its construction? Cause Elektron's drum machine kicks ass....
end's track sounds greaaat
Can you program a row of 4 measures for example?
I'm going have buy this one can you upload samples drum kicks for dutch hardcore
Cheers Nick! Looking forward to a proper review. Better still a head to head with the Digitakt.
Nick. “ is it tasteful “, David “ depends who you ask “ . Hey great vid .
Can you adjust the probabilities?
Regarding the external triggering at the end of the video: does anyone know what the Tr8s is set on so that the steps are only triggering the tb303? Is there a setting on the screen that he didn't show us? In other words, the step buttons are not assigned to any of the voices...are they somehow assigned to the trigger out? Thanks in advance
Tubasco I would imagine that, just like a 909 and others, it will have a separate trigger track that just sends from the trigger out.
Dan Preston thanks! I've never had the pleasure of working on the old school units. Makes sense though :)
have a look at the last two voices,pressed together they will activate the track for trigger out
So some of the features of the TR-8s covers the ground of the MX-1 yes?
there are a couple of similarly named features, but they will only apply to sounds in the drum machine, of course - anything else feeding into the mx1 you'll have to use the mx1 effects - bearing in mind the caveat that those can only ever be applied (as is conventional - dubbing last) to the final stereo mix - not to individual channels under any circumstances,..,
looks way better the the 8...has me interested...def will not preorder but
Jaysus that's a fine machine altogether lads. Fair fucks.
Can you tune and change decay with own loaded samples from the SD card?
Yep
I everyone, i have a little question, and not really finding info on it nowhere.
I want to use the TR-8S as a midi controller, as i was doing with the TR-8 before, but now i only can make it work on the sequencer, but no faders or knobs send no midi!
Hope somebody can help me on this
Thanks a lot.
Niiiiiiice. Shame it's so expensive. It's twice the price of the Electribe Sampler 2 and the Novation Circuit (and no doubt any other comparable drumpler/groovebox you can name). It'll do well on the 2nd hand market. btw, could Sonic State please ask Roland if there's going to be a final expansion/firmware for the TR8? Could do with a couple more kits and more than one effect per pattern.
is it good ?
I waited for this "Roland's Global Artist Relations Product Specialist" guy to demo it...
Next update: Sound Locks and Instant Pattern Change please
Is it the EXACT same ACB sounds as the tr-8 or more like the tr-08 or tr-09?
DjRafiV I think it's got all variations
Fantasy product tr-8 had different ACB sounds compared to the tr-08 and tr-09. Wanting to find which flavor Roland slapped on the S
DjRafiV it's got all of them
Fantasy product I understand it has the 606 707 727 808 and 909 sounds. But what I’m trying to distinguish is, if the S has the tr-8 808 909 sounds or the boutique tr-08 and boutique tr-09 808 and 909 sounds which is a well known fact that these smaller boutique units have different ACB drums than the tr-8.
DjRafiV it definitely has all of them that is one of the USP's
i think this new TR has a lot of character. elektron to me now seems more limited. the TR-8S is going to end up being a classic. the flow is easy to work with. first Roland kit i've been interested in in a long time.
What about time signature variations?
Roland back on form at last! Too bad it sounds like effects don’t deal with pattern changes well, one thing korg and Elektron can do, but hardly a deal breaker.
The burning question for me is, can you recorded more than one parameter with the control knobs, is it separate data ?
I.e. can control knob one be set to reverb decay , record automation , then switch it to reverb pre delay with same encoder and record that on top. Anybody know ?
I'm pretty sure you can't, but I've only played with it for about 2 hours so far, so it's possible I could be wrong.
That’s the first thing I wondered too haha
Craig Z ty , have you got the bug where if you move 6 faders at once it glitches the timing of the sequencer ?
Just tried it now... yes I do see that bug. I get it on moving 5 also, though it's not as bad there. Moving 4 at once seems fine.
I heard sample rates but not bit depth....can we sample at 24bit 196kh???
+Ambient Sequential Synth Performer I think you can go up to 24bit yes
Thank you, this "S" version is a very serious pro piece of equipment now, no more limitations of one or two measures without programmed fills, this is a masterpiece of responding to the desires of the live synth jammers. Wow!
Exactly :D
Great ending
Deep down inside
Deep down inside must be the Jar Jar binks of vocal samples
If it had a song/chain mode it'd be the one for me... Why, oh why do they not include that one simple function...
Does it work with the sp404a aswell?
It even works with a Tesla. ;-)
Seriously: what exactly do you even mean?
I have the TR8 and 5 vintage digital drum machines. I want analogue next. I will wait for the Behringer drum machine releases.
2:39
when he did that i went like :0
Is he wearing Aira glasses?