The Ultimate Timeline | Dark Souls Lore
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- Dark Souls Lore is convoluted and dense, but we think the Timeline is the key to understanding everything else. This is the most complete, fact-based timeline we could muster, and it should give you a number of surprises in the Lore of Dark Souls, just like it did for us while researching.
You will need to concentrate on this one I’m afraid! We know this is a long video but give it a chance, you might find some answers to old questions.
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Hawkshaw
Do you plan on doing any other souls game lore or are they as in-depth?
Ok, I know I'm very late to the party, but I've always wondered about gwyndolin. I have always remained with the impression that gwyndolin is a crossbreed like priscilla and that gwyn and seath made the same experiments like the lothric royal family and wanted to create the perfect heir, either to link the flame or just be everlasting and rule the age of fire forever. That is why gwyndolin is draped and masked, so no one sees his scaly skin and that is why he uses sorcery and has snakes for legs (imperfect dragon). He was just obedient and useful so they kept him, while priscila wasn't and they feared her. Also one of the miracle's icon's high resolution image shows a kind of tapestry that depicts gwyn and gwyndolin together above a group of silver knights, but that can always be some propaganda legend on gwyndolin's part.
11:14 what was that bit for?
If Gwyndolin is indeed the child depicted in the statue at Firelink Shrine, one thing we can point out is that most of his body, and by extension his legs, are enveloped in cloth, concealing their appearance.
I wonder what gave him such an appearance...
@@B.R_Watkins lopen
Man dodges death while looking oddly closely at people through binoculars for one hour and thirty minutes
Feet
Me doing a bb lorerun
11:07 speaking of binoculars what the heck happened here? Sudden cut to a different scene and a pause in audio?
shoutout to that random uncommentated crab footage at 11:09
clam ?
Yeah lol, it was so random.
13:06 shoutout for the closeup
What was that clam footage about? He's talking about dragons at the time, is he implying that clams are dragons?
I don't even remember these enemys.
what I love about Dark Souls is just the thought and implication of our character knowing none of this. There's something both depressing, AND funny in ALL THIS history, all these lives, all of these gods and thousands of years of scheming...… and then this one asshole just gets out of their prison cell and with no more motivation then "....I wonder if I could pick a fight with EVERYTHING that moves?" WINS
I mean realistically aren’t we the bad guy if we link the flame? To allow the hollows to exist as they choose is the correct choice. To come up and kill all these creatures and people truly is wrong. Some it’s understandable like Gwyn and his children because they cucked and fucked and really just bitch slapped humanity. But why do we kill the hollows? Just something I was curious about due to the ending of dark souls 3
Youre essentially the glorified janitor coming to clean up everything and trying to survive while doing it.
@@Darksky1001able that's even better! "fuckin' gods leaving their undead and abominations bloody everywhere i swear to shit the second i find my way out of blight town i'm a give them a proper talking to!!!"
@@TheCreepyLantern Lol!
The Chosen Undead is just the new guy at work doing a better job than you
"...a divine blessing in her chest..."
oh you bet
Oh yeah
Chest ahead,
Therefore try holding with both hands
I'm gonna need scuba gear for lore this deep.
Jake Foley Or Covenant of Artorias. This lore is as deep as the Abyss
+Svil Buscus this lore is so deep not even the covenant of artorias can protect you
My 3rd time whatching this
@@ifoldyougo6517 Midir says hi 🙃🙃
Guam is a good place to go to get our certifications- very competitively priced.
One more thing. Videos like this take countless hours of work. All the editing and piecing together, not to mention the genius of puzzling all these thoughts together. There is more work here than we think about. Whether you agree or not everyone should give this guy a thanks for working so hard on something we all care about.
I'm glad there are people like you out there who appreciate this
@Alexandry Dumass Better than Vaati, the McDonalds of lore who people praise for reading descriptions to them
This is something I generally don't think about. These are great videos, but I don't think to myself just how much time they must've spent on working
Shut up.
Real
I know it’s been said before Hawk, but I’d love to see an updated version of this now we have the Dark Souls series in its entirety. Your video was the first one that gave an appreciation of the actual sequence of events and periods of time involved. It was very easy to see the intro and no matter how much lore diving you did, think that the events took place in very rapid succession after each other. Almost like how a child hears about how the Earth was created and assumes it happened as told, rather than over millions of years.
I am going to say she attempted to create the flame for several reasons-
*AD PLAYS*
"FOR A HEALTHY BREAKFAST!-"
I choked on my water from that unintentional comedic timing.
All-Father Lloyd created humans? How would the furtive pygmy fit in? It sort of seems like you forgot all about him, which is canonically easy, of course.
^this
Dark souls 3 really messed up a good portion of this video. We know that "Allfather" Lloyd was a self given title.
@@danielnewton6002 Yup, a good chunk of this video is obsolete.
@@danielnewton6002 the dialogue of Lloyd's rings in ds3 only mention that the clerics of carim say that Lloyd is a fraud, and carim is known for being pretty shady.
@@jakes1566
In Japanese, Sullyvahn's soul description literally calls Gwyndolin chief god, the term the localization usually adapts as "Allfather" in these games. So, yeah, Loyd was a fraud who usurped Gwyn's role in the pantheon as soon as the opportunity presented itself, although it should have been the Firstborn's and Gwyndolin's birthright from the start
lokeysouls.com/2020/11/16/irithyll/
The point about Velka still being active when the Chosen Undead leaves the asylum makes the idea that she’s the one who truly wants to see the end of the cycle - because that would end Gwyn’s sin - a lot more plausible.
i like how they say multiple times that no one knows who Gwyns first born son is. but 4 months after this video was posted everyone found out in Dark Souls 3 who it was. The Nameless King...
Oh, I didnt know but it's a welcomed spoiler
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 unless you just got into the series i’m surprised you didn’t already know, dark souls has been out for nearly 6 years and people connected the dots from the first born to the nameless king almost instantly. though if you’re like me and forget certain details or miss optional ones you might not have made the connection so it might be nice to know going in, makes the fight a little cooler and more dramatic than it already is
@@Shrekinspace I havent finished the third game yet so I havent looked at any lore in that one
...yes...but what was/is his name?
@@fourmoyle that's why he's called "the nameless king" after he betrayed gywn everything about him got wiped out from history
"her daughters of chaos" makes it sound like a group who came together and called themselves daughters of chaos rather than her actual daughters.
To me it sounds like the narrator of the intro is telling a story, and that is how they're referred to after the fact (when the story is being told)
@@jayjasespud but if youre telling a story surely you would use the names of the groups at the time of telling of. like, nobody calls the Ottomans the Saudi Arabians, even if many lived in the area that would become Saudi arabia.
@@garfieldinheat664 Those are entirely different. In the type of story around legends, I'd probably use the name of the figure people were most familiar with.
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Could be both.
Reasons why I love this so much is that you provide lots of evidence, while a lot of others don't, and make assumptions or just regurgitate something they've heard from other lore channels. I've watched MANY lore videos. Usually all say the same things, or slightly tweaked. This is a totally different story and man has it brought some light to me. Everytime I rewatch I learn something different! Can't wait for other videos!
You see exactly what we tried to change about our videos compared to the standard ones. Glad it paid off
This comment is true, even five years later
@@trufreedom so funny how after this video came out everyone started talking about the points this video made lol luckily some of those big accounts credited this account
@@trufreedom Seriously. I hate how unknown Hawkshaw is even now when it's the only channel that conveys the sort of lateral thinking hoops we've had to jump through to get this far.
I would love a focused video on what the "Age of Dark" is, exactly.
+lasse So much yes as im unable to find anything related to what will actually happen when the age of dark arrives ! but maybe there is nothing to be found ?
+Siegmeyer there is nothing in the games to suggest what would happen, with the possible exception of the abyss being a potential window into the world of the age of dark.
+lasse I think its solved now in DS 3 when you go to the abbyss version of the firelink shrine and the age of dark is allready arrived there it is some deep shit what the age of dark truely is but i think its the future version of 2 timelines after the firelink shrine because the woman of carim who sells you miracles said that she wanted to be a firekeeper and in the abbyss version of the firelink shrine are a pair of blind eyes on a corpse on her location and if you give the eyes to the actual firekeeper she said that firekeepers are not allowed to see because they wont believe in the flame like they do in the current blindness and lets be honest.. what would happen when the fire keepers have eyes and they dont believe in the linking of the flame ? my thoughts are that when a firekeeper does not believe in his flame it wont burn anymore likely in dark souls when gwyn is defeated and you have the choise to link the flame because you have faith in it or turn you back to the flame and let it burn out so that the actual age of dark can arrive (sorry for my english im just a german student but i hope you can get it :D)
the age of dark is the end of the world. It's just nothingness.
+Siegmeyer The age of dark is the end of the age of fire that sees the gods on the top of the food chain and humanity being able to achieve full compability with their own "dark soul" in difference to the Giants or gods "Fire soul". If you start the age of dark in the first game you will be the "dark god" of this new era, though there are a few clues on how the world will be when the dark takes over in one of the cities in the game. Men will become abominations if they don't master their dark soul and since most arent able to do that most of mankind will become even worse than hollows.
In Japanese the serpents are not called "primordial," they are simply called the "world serpents," and the grave of "primeval man" is 古人 for primeval, which means ancient or primeval as it was translated. Be careful looking so deeply into the literal when dealing with a Japanese game, or in general, though the video is fantastic. I am a translator (oddly enough at the university Miyazaki went to). If you or anyone have any questions ask and I'll let you know what the Japanese says.
Unless the Japanese specifically contradicts the English, we haven't looked too deeply. Myazaki worked very hard with the English translators to make sure they did a good job, for which he chose to sometimes reveal more or less. It is therefore just shedding more light in this case rather than being wrong.
Very cool by the way!
Thanks for the reply, it seems that you have far more knowledge than I do about the creative process behind the game, and that's a big relief to hear that Miyazaki takes special care with FROMSOFT to ensure the translations are accurate or relay additional meaning. I recently made a post on reddit about how Ludleth says he is a Pygmy in Japanese, and I truly wondered about the translation. I love almost all the translations, so that's good news and it makes sense! Thanks for the video and comment.
I'd like to know if thre is a place where i can find the dialogues and item descriptions in japanese for the games or if you can provide an english translation. It would be very much appreciated
I study the history of religion, and language is extremely important, hence we use a lot of Arabic terminology when described concepts in Islam, for example. This is of course because when you translate something, you risk changing the meaning.
@@Wesinhuman I knew he is a Pygmy, it has been obvious to me since quite some time, now. Good to know, he really is.
1 minute of Clam.
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The Age Of Aqua Life
@@mustycheese3692 Age of the Deep confirmed
Aldrich’s drean
" this is not going to be a pocket sized piece of lore sentimentalism"
lol I love Vaati but...that is a pretty good burn 😂
Hehe, burn. Like with Fire.
@@saeyabor Get out of here...
@@MaledictGaming I tried to, but every time I just wake up at the bonfire.
@@canaanstuart3331 You aren't gonna believe this but... same problem.
@@saeyabor Don't you dare go ......
-watches 3 times
-remains confused
+Jake Saliba He should have put a line bellow and then place the events as he explains them. This is not exactly a timeline video as it is explanation why this is before that and so on
@@emiliagianova3938 altough it sounds good it would just be impossible since he is interpreting or explaining the reason why he did assumptions in some places. i quite like that since he is not trying to force his way of thinking but rather tries to leave us with most possible interpretivism ground. second thing is sheer amount of information in the timeline would make it a toooooo long of a line to see anything.
Video: "Humanity is probably created by the gods like in Greek and other mythologies."
Me: "The furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten indeed, as is apparently the titular Dark Soul(s)."
If it wasn't for lore channels like this. My dark souls copy would've stayed on the shelf. I love the lore and it inspires me to play on
Hawkshaw, I love your videos and I've watched them 100 times but this part with the clam in ash lake always kills me @ 11:11
for reals tho, love your stuff so much
haha was a mistake with the editing.. it was our first video!!
@@Hawkshaw
Lol! I was wondering why you chose to put that clip in there. It made no sense whatsoever and now that you say it was an any mistake, it makes it hilarious.
dude I thought I was having a stroke, that clam moment caught me off guard
@@bbungison I was like any minute now he'll explain the importance of this clam
@@JorgeM270there is some importance to it revolving around the clams in seath’s cave and the fact that they drop purging stones. Elaborated more in their video about the plot against the gods.
I'm of a mind that Gwyndolin isn't actually Gwyn's child but a child of one of Gwynevere's maidens corrupted by Seath. It feels really clear to me from the Moonlight Butterfly (also a Seath creation) track that plays when you fight Gwyndolin. Pryscilla, who is almost definitely an experiment of Seath's as well (I suspect Gwyndolin was attempt one in terms of near successes and then Pryscilla was attempt number 2). Remember guys, what are snakes? Beings that failed to become dragons. Gwyndolin was half snake probably because he failed to fully become a dragon for one reason or another but Seath kept him as part of his grand conspiracy with Frampt and Gwynevere. Why? Probably for his affinity with Illusions. I'm not sure HOW he developed such powers but he has no trace of the sun. He is a false god. Why else would he need to try so hard to convince everyone, even going so far as to try and contact Gwyn (which I surmise to be impossible. Gwyn isn't dead in the traditional sense. Yes he hollowed out but his soul; his essence, was already consumed by the first flame. There'd be nothing left to contact).
I love this comment
That makes sense, great theory
Thank you. I had completely forgotten this comment. I thought no one took it seriously so I never really tried to really push it but glad to see you guys appreciate it.
Couldn't it also be that seath maybe used gwyns "dna" (if that even exists in dark souls) or even his lord soul in the hope that would help to create a full dragon. That might be why he is seen as one of gwyns children but is kept away from the public. A bastarf child created in unnatural ways.
gwindolin is possibly the son of priscilla and gwyn, with priscilla being seath's daughter, it's not excplicit who the mother is but from the japanese it's stated that seath and gwyneveere are husband and wife, so there is that. Another candidate could be velka
I agree with the part about the 4 knights not being something that happened all at once or was even a fixed number. It was clear Gough and Ornstein gained their renown fighting dragons but Artorias and Ciaren seemed like they dealt with post dragon problems. I could honestly see Artorias gaining his fame and rank in the war with the Demons. His large sword, likely awarded after the war, looks about the same weight class of the black knights. If he was some kind of hero demon war, when he heard about what was going on in Oolicila, it would not be a leap to see him looking to fight that battle. He's killed people twisted into monsters before and I'm sure it was triggering Izalith flashbacks with people turning into monsters and all.
Also if you look closely at the of gauntlets Artorias, they are pretty well copy and pasted versions of silver knight gauntlets just with suet coating them
Yes and Ciaran was an assassin for the royalty of Anor Londo and possibly murdered a lot of humans like her
ive fallen asleep to this video 6 nights in a row. Im a schizo with adhd and it means a lot that a voice relaxes me, yours is very nice albeit i like it through the speaker of my phone more than my laptop. I have watched it all the way through, dont get me wrong, its very well researched and executed as well. I love the dark souls series and this video is awesome! i wish it didnt take me so long to discover the magic behind this community and the from series as well, but i am here now lol
thank you!
Feels like I´m listening to an study about anthropology, nice job!
HYPBRL Videography
More like a historical documentary on a great empire and the heroes and tyrants during its time
Same. I'm majoring in anthropology and eat video game lore up, even tho I've never played the games lol
Hi guys, I wanted to let you know that this video does now have english subtitles available! Hopefully it helps with the whole fluidity while watching.
quick question, i recognise the armour set you use in the video but what sheild and sword are you using? they would go great with my fashion souls
Hawkshaw I appreciate the time and effort you took on this video, so please don't misunderstand my comment... but I feel like in retrospect a lot of the things you talk about here are wrong like the whole genesis of humans and pygmys and giants/lords and the dark soul is just wrong and you overly complicate one of the very few if not the only piece of the story we are explicitly told with no veil of mystery it's just says straight up here is what happened! so your confusion there is a mystery to me??? but I digress A random example of you being wrong in retrospect is fillanor being the youngest of gwyns children, this throws out the argument of gwyn being absent in gwyndolins life completely, and there's a few errors in the video like that and of course it's easy to pick anything apart with the power of retrospect so I'm wondering is this about just dark souls 1 imaging that none of the rest of the series happened??? And one more thing again not trying to be rude just some friendly criticism. Saying things like "maybe gwyndolin was raised by serpents because she/he is raised by them now" takes away credibility from you and that type of poetic licensing has no place in the fact based video your trying to make, I understand if you are trying to say she/he is part serpent because she/he was raised by serpents but linking she/he is physically raised by serpents as in he/shes legs and feet and raised as in reared/brought up is ridiculous and almost made me turn off the video at 50 odd minutes but I'm glad I stuck around I thought it was a well made video if it's just dark souls 1 lore no information from the rest of the series with some mistakes that arose from overthinking, occams razor should be enforced before convoluted confirmation biased takes hold and despite my long torturous comment I've just subscribed to your channel and look forward to future videos, take care.
Hawkshaw oh ok my bad. Seems like he has a few new children every game. Gwyn gets around so it's easy to forgive on either of our parts lol
Hawkshaw when do the new videos come? ;-;
The statue at the warriors of sunlight covenant area is of gywn's first born.
After 10 years of discussion and theory crafting for this game, this video stands out as the most comprehensive and well researched piece of Dark Souls lore content. Thanks again for sharing it with us all.
I was still a married man some years ago when i saw this video and the several others you made and had nothing but respect and appreciation for these things. The fire has long since faded, but embers have begun to dance across the long, dark night.
Hang in there buddy. Don't you dare go hollow.
Praise the sun!
I can still feel the heat on my skin.
Don't go hollow, I'm sure your very own sun is waiting for you out there.
Don't give up, skeleton!
and then everything changed when the fire nation attacked
+Caesar Salazar Classic
this is the best fucking lore video ever
Where the fuck are your views I can't even comprehend the effort it took to present this masterpiece of speculation damn bro
+Tyler Coswell haha well share the link around let lore buffs know!
33:07
now with the last dlc of dark souls 3 out, the ringed city, we know that this statue is gwyn's wife holding filianore, who is revered by the undeads, if you look at the walls next the statue, we see several priests with dragon head or goat head offering eggs to her, reference to her having the egg of midir
Hey everyone, the missing text for the timeline has just been added!
Hawkshaw why don't you put subs for this video? It's extrimely interesting and thrilling but some parts are hard to follow and understand for the ones who are not native english speakers, besides with subs a lot of people that now are not able to enjoy the video would be able to do it.. I would really appreciate subs :(
Hawkshaw Awesome work.
Spoiler - The firstborn :
The Nameless King
Hopefully youll read it.
www.reddit.com/r/DarksoulsLore/comments/9adaax/hawkshaw_timeline_video_about_language_evidence/
Dark Souls has such a great setting and atmosphere. You're killing things because they want to kill you, and get better at it the more you do it. But at the same time, you're being completely unaware of the transgressions which happened prior. Such a good representation of what an unknowing chosen one would go through.
it's kind of weird how gwyn's wife is not a named character. it's always made me sort of suspect that his wife IS a named character but they're estranged for some controversial reason and you just never find out which of the named characters she is - be it velka or the witch or caitha etc. i guess it's more likely she just wasn't important to the story so they didn't bother to name her. but why is she gone, you know? you'd think the game would explain why she's gone since it feels the need to explain why everyone else is gone, and even explain why those who are still present never left.
Three years old I know, and I know this channel is DS1-exclusive to a large degree, but...
I did always like DS2's implication that a lot of gods abandoned Lordran pretty early and established their own religions elsewhere in the world.
Alternatively / in addition: Nothing stoppong kings from having heirs through concubines (thinking of Lady Jessica in Dune for instance). Gwyn might have just been the kinda baller who never actually married.
@@colbyboucher6391I mean hawk isn’t exactly esclusive to DS1, as much as most of his content predates later lore drops. He does use info from DS3 in his new content, but only as a secondary source, which I think is the way it should be handled.
DS1 is Miyazaki’s ideas of the lord in purest form, with DS3 being something he did later to clarify what we were messing up and make it a whole trilogy, with DS2 being from a different team, and therefore the least reliable.
I'd love to see you tackle this again given what we know about the Ringed City now.
holy mother there is any video game lore so vast as Dark Souls ? Nothing is told yet everything is connected so fascinating thanks for the video. Waiting for more.
"Nothing is told yet everything is connected" so true, so awesome
Super old but I would say the elder scrolls universe is much much much larger. Not necessarily better, but there is undeniably more lore within it. I mean you could make at least 100 movies on it and never even get through half the lore. Ds could probably be split into 5-10 movies. Again DS isn’t worse it just doesn’t have as much content
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If the meaning of "appointed official" is emphasized in the Japanese, perhaps "The Four Kings" would be better named as "The Four Viceroys" in English.
Makes sense to me , that they would be nobility but not kings. So interesting for me, as an english speaker to learn these original translations.
so gwyndolin is basically macaulay culkin in home alone?
Or I should say, he is the wacky trap
ur on somtin wacky m8
theyre both also pale as shit
vtheawesome this made my day
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You know it's good content when someone like me that's NEVER PLAYED Dark Souls can sit, listen, and be fully engaged. I really enjoy lore and world building, so when someone REALLY does the heavy lifting like this...dude, this was just dope!
Hey there. First let me say, I've paled through and finished every souls game multiple times. They're pretty much all I've played for the last 3 years, as well as DeS on release. So naturally, I'm obsessed LOL. I've watched pretty much every lore video put out on all of the games but I've struggled to put it all together in a coherent timeline.
Then this video came along.
As someone who's a HUGE lore enthusiast (seriously, I can't get enough of the depth and thought that has gone into the lore of these games, not to mention how it's all interwoven into the mechanics, items, creatures, bosses, etc etc...but I digress).
So as I was saying, then this video came along. So believe me when I say, I get how much work and effort must've gone into creating this. And man, you did an AMAZING job with it.
Not to mention your Nito video that cast an entirely new light on DaS for me. Fantastic work and a very fresh perspective, using the smallest of clues and drawing from Greek Myth. Bravo
This is helping me crystallize a true motive for Gwynn did. The theme of transformation that spans the series, as well as the cycle plot device, coupled with men turning into dragons and giants turning into trees....4 kings turning into tree like beings (sharing a piece of Gwynn's giant soul)...
But anyway, it's not all there yet. I hope you keep making these videos, great great job🙏
Thank you for such genuine appreciation. It's great finding people who see it as we do and have been lost in the amount of content one can keep delving through. We will continue to make them! Despite how long it's been now, don't lose hope aha
+Hawkshaw What's coming up next?
Working on the next one- more general again- the philosophy behind Dark Souls and its success.
Will there ever be a revised video of the timeline incorporating knowledge added in DS2 and 3? I guess that would be closer to 5 hours at this rate, lol.
31:52 "there is a divine blessing in a chest" *zooms in on chest* I see what you did there, huge fanservice
I use this video during nights when i can't sleep. Helps everytime, thanks alot! :)
Van Kraaiveld me too :D
Hehehe :)))
The humans aren't the pygmies?
But a Pygmie took the dark soul, the souls all humans have.
Plus, the gods and giants are both gigantic, giants usually being even bigger than the gods.
So they wouldn't be referred to as "pygmies" since the term pygmie implies not only primitive, but "small of stature." In fact, humans are about the smallest sentient things in DS.
Pigmy is just name, though
Pygmie could also imply position or status instead of size. For example, even if giants r bigger than Gods, they r "pygmie" because the Gods rule over the giants
Size is more convoluted than time in Dark souls. I mean Gwyndolin's illusion is like huge compared to Gwyn ingame.
@@thedeadcannotdie No matter how you look at it, you're wrong. Pygmy comes from latin pigmei, a fabulous race of dwarves as described by Homer. After that it was used to describe the real pygmies we know today. It is in no way a replacement word for peasant.
Jason Hymes Well that was extremely shortsighted. If you’re going to be that pretentious, do yourself a favor and at least have sound reasoning.
So to counter that (and I find it hard to believe it should have to be said) you are aware that words evolve over time, yes? And that can change due to a variety of factors, such as location, how common a word is and the context in which it’s used.
Like the word “Vulgar” for example. It’s more commonly used nowadays to ascribe to something Obscene or socially inappropriate. Yet I’m the past it has been used by various forms of Nobility to describe the dialect of a given language, used by common folk.
Though the Nobility may not have necessarily seen those who used “vulgar speech” as obscene or inappropriate, there is a through line that can be drawn between the two.
Besides, The Souls Series isn’t exactly known for having straightforward lore.
Didn't he say All father Lloyd made humans?
Happy 4th Birthday, yo.
(I’m going off of the upload date instead of the channel creation, but still, astounding work has been shared these past 4 years)
I don't think he's as old as his video is dude... He sounds much older than 4. Just saying.
Witch Beatrice is a reference to Schierke, a child witch from the manga Berserk, from which Miyazaki drew a lot of aesthetic inspiration. This is likely why there exists a child version of Beatrice's model.
The design of both characters is pretty standard design for witches in all media, there is no correlation between the two whatsoever, Berserk refferences in Dark Souls overall is exageration to be honest
All these years later, i still come back to this classic.
I always saw Vaati, EpicNameBro, Hollow etc were the storytellers of the comunity, and that were amazing at retelling semi hidden stories and putting them together.
However i've always seen you guys on this channel, together with a couple others, as the archaeologists of these games
This is probably the best Lore video I've seen!!!
Incredibly well researched and nicely explained.
As proof of how good this video is, a lot of information presented makes total sense when pairing it with the new information we learn in Dark Souls 3
Please, keep them coming!!!
the best video ever
iv been playin sense demon souls and this is the best lore video the iv ever seen
fucking awosome
I still come back to rewatch these first videos every now and then
They're so great
Absolutely love listening to your videos before I fall asleep. I have very very bad anxiety and doing so is often difficult. You have a very soothing voice - listening to the DS lore videos is like hearing campfire stories. Thank you so much!
Criminally low views for quality content!
With 22k subs and 560k views, I'd say he's doing quite well!
I've never played dark souls but this video was recommended to me and now I want to
I’ve watched your videos so many times. I’m going through just to make sure I’ve liked them all. I want you to know that you made me appreciate these games even more. I loved them so much already and you showed me things I could never connect as a puny console player unable to use no clip. Not even mentioning the lore you expanded. You’re great!
I don't know what is it about this video whether it's your voice, delivery, presentation, lore or the effort you put into it. it's just so touching, so peaceful so chilling about it that when I watch it I forget about anything and I connect or joined with this beautiful tale and live every word of it. My words fail to explain my thoughts... thank you so much
Man, I would KILL for you to make the same type of video for Dark Souls 3, particularly for the Untended Graves as it drives me nuts and I cant figure it out.
Anyone else lowkey like to fall asleep to these kind of videos with this song in the background?
Your vidoe makes the absolute most sense, with every context clue, and tiny bit of environmental storytelling, item& enemy placements, and item descriptionwere given. I really think you're Batman, an amazinf detective work. This is the most lore accurate timeline!
Watch this before bed religiously
Amazing. It's like a refresher on the lore and I even look at some things from another perspective. I listen to this on my way to work and back and can't wait to watch it all! Great job.
+Official Kurse So do I haha. I watch many DS videos driving to and from work.
well now we actually have a new candidate for the "who locked up Havel?" plot: Silver Knight Ledo from the Ringed City DLC
Dark Souls is a game I have loved for a very long time and lore videos with this much effort put into them are genuinely some of my favourite things to watch, this is definitely one of my favourite TH-cam channels
This is the best souls lore content I know, and I have seen a ton of videos from many different creators. But I always come back to this. Thank you
I rewatch this whole video every so often, it's incredible. Thank you for that!
Hawkshaw, your vids have made the best game I've played (been playing since nes 8bit era) significally even much better. They add so much to my understanding and appreciation to a game I already regard the greatest of all time
I've watched so many lore videos and this one, to me at least, is by far the best. Incredible. Keep doing good work I'll spread awareness about your channel as much as I can.
How you don’t have 100k subs is beyond me
Truly amazing, the amount of time you must have put in to this is appreciated. thankyou for all your hard work. I enjoyed being presented this complex story in an easy to follow time line.
+David Brasher i'm glad it came across as intended.
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After hearing this, I noticed something while reading an item description about Gwyn's four knights. If it were a specific, fixed group with a title, one would assume it should be capitalized, like "the Four Knights." However, it isn't, and is simply "the four knights."
It's a small thing, but I felt it worth noting
I put this on when I fall asleep and I’ve never been able to stay awake for longer than 10 minutes. Idk if that’s a good or bad thing for you but I appreciate it.
You made my entire week when I discovered all of your long Dark Souls lore videos that I have yet to watch. Thank you, thank you, a hundred times, thank you. :D
Gwyn explicitly did know gwyndolin there's pictures of them together in front of crowds at the grand cathedral on the icon for some of the miracles when you examine them in the menu
Looking forward to more content. I appreciate your dedication towards Dark Souls lore!
Been a gamer for a long time. Never got around to Dark Souls. Always felt I did not have the constitution, the determination, and the fortitude to play through it. Work is slow this evening. Thank you for making a timeline.
You've put more work into this video than I've seen some people put into their lives. Excellent job!
The amount of research you put into this is incredible. I'm always amazed by how much fans of these games are able to piece together from the scarce information they present us with.
+qinoga Me too. It did take a lot of research so I hope it was worth it, I'm amazed just how much From Software managed to be able to put in!
Just before I watch the full video, I love how you didn't say something like "if you found this video good, then there are further videos on my channel that are similar." Instead of that you simply invited newcomers to watch further videos, if they are interested. As I'm a newcomer, having heard about you plenty of times from other souls channels, this is a great first impression. Good job.
I sometimes come here just for the intro. Those first 7 seconds are just amazing. I so love the DS running sounds.
Been on the grind for years now keep it up. This video made me rethink my view on the souls world and how deep a games work can actually go
Honestly, still the best lore channel on Dark Souls. Please make more.
gratz on the 1 mil views! deserves 10x as many
Your lore videos top everyone else's. I'll take hour + lore vids over 2 minutes ones any day. The amount of research, time and detail that you dedicate is award worthy.
Lost count as to how many times I've watched (and or listened) to these videos you have on this channel.... still can't fathom just how much raw information you've complied absolutely love them!
you sir are very talented and might i say - Vaati has.... quite a lot to grow yet
I know this video is 3 years old now but i wonder if Miyazaki has ever taken the time to watch this. I bet it would warm his heart to see how well you managed to discern the history of the world he created. I feel like everything you have presented is plausible and it makes going back though and playing that much more interesting.
Sometimes I question how much of the lore was actually intentional.
This video deserves SO MANY MORE LIKES than it has. Thanks for making this Hawkshaw
As long as those who can really appreciate it like it, that's enough I guess for now.
I started rewatching your content lately.
After discovering your channel my love for one of my favorite games grew even more.
Your theroies make much more sense to me and I find them much more interesting than other peoples' theories.
Definetly would like to see more of your content, especialy DS1 since it's world seem unending compared to other DS games.
Great video, I can tell you spent a significant amount of time on it. I hope you recreate this lore video because the dark souls 2 and 3 answer many questions and theories
Can someone make a mod that lets you give the charred ring back to ceaseless instead of killing him? I just feel so bad for the dude
It really impresses me that even after +/-5 years after the release of this game we get to see such great content. Amazing job!
+Von Neondor Cheers! Always shows just how good a game is if its still giving so much later eh?
Great work man.this is so comprehensive and answers so many questions i had about the lore. Thanks a bunch
I love how consistent the quality in Hawkshaw videos has been, and it’s cool to see and hear all the ways in which the channel has grown and improved since then
I know i'm... 1 2 3 4... SEVEN years late, but...
When Gough said "There are no more dragons left to hunt" I took it as there not being a need to hunt Seath since he betrayed his own, thus not needing to be hunted.
Ads every 5 mins for the first hour, Jesus Christ
Somehow this video has made its way back to my recommendations again. And its still as glorious and makes sense as ever. Its still mind boggling how deep dark souls lore is and how easily ones view on it can be influenced. There is the lore that the characters wants you to belive and the lore thats lying underneath. It just takes a lot of digging to crack the upper layer.
I like how you said that. There's what the characters try to push on as truth for their own reason and agenda, and the real truth. Might finally try to play these games lol
It was satisfying to listen while playing Dark Souls on NG+.
I’ve lost count for how many times I watched this. Absolutely divine!
Yes, indeed! I’ve seen this so many times I’m beginning to go hollow! Same goes for the wait for Elden ring news. 😔
I believe what people tend to ignore is that the moment when "fire came" and when "they found the souls of lords in it" might be far apart. Fire brought life into existence and this life thrived before the lords found their souls. There where humans before the pygmy found the Dark Soul, so the Dark Soul is not necessarily natural to humanity. I think the Abyss depicts this clearly, as it twisted and malforms humans overcome by it. Kaathe also says that humanity is "shackled", but not that they were malformed. So humanity could draw on the Dark Soul and aquire power equal to the gods but they can also be overcome by it. It doesnt really matter if humanity is shackled by the Age of Fire or by darkness in the end.
The way I see it, "humans" are the descentants of Manus aka The Furtive Pygmy; many "non-human" creatures (the Gods, Nito, Giants) are much larger in size, which would explain the "name" of the Pygmy. Basically, Manus, Gwyn, The Witch and all of these other beings from the beginning of time were part of the same group - "they", as called in the video. And Manus' descentants share not only the Dark Soul (aka Humanity), but also his short stature compared to many other sentient humanoids. Just my two cents, not saying I'm right, since that's not really possible with these games.
See why would you separate the two? I this its the opposite. They found the souls and the first flame at the same time. But what I think is that there is actually a long time before they actually started the war with the dragons. Needing weaponry and all that
@@notusgodwind4512 because I cant imagine why it would be exactly these three (Gwyn, Nito, Witch of Izalith) to find the first three souls if they werent plotting something to begin with. I always wondered how they would come together despite being so different.
Then theres the pygmy. He found a soul anyone else overlooked and obviously Gwyn was the only one to fear him. It almost seems as if the demons and the dead didnt care about humanity or the age of fire at all. Yet the Lord Vessel requires the souls of Gwyns former allies.
I cant quiet believe that this dynamic can be explained by "they found the souls, teamed up against the dragons and simply parted ways afterward". So I figure there is a story behind this
Alternate Gwyn gave them the souls that’s how
@@todditjustworkshoward472 really alternative....batman did
Many many years later and this is still the one Dark Souls lore video that shattered my mind and changed my whole outlook on the game like no other
I hope this video - as well as your others, they are of the same pristine quality as this - stays online for years to come. It's the masterclass summation of the game, and should remain as such for all time. Thank you, Hawkshaw.