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Did you include Frame Generation in your 25 game averages? Hogwarts Legacy was showing as one of the best performers for the 4060 but actually lost without FG.
thank you very much for the reviews you do. There are many channels that say how many FPS one can get with the DLSS feature enabled. But so far I saw only one guy who mentioned and measured how much slower the system becomes with DLSS. As DLSS takes a lot of the processing resources the system latency grows (64-76 ms on the desktop 4090). This is an issue for those who want to play smoothly and at the same time gain high cybersport results. Don't you want to direct your inquisitive gaze into this area?
Upgrading Gen on Gen for an entire laptop is pretty dumb but for someone looking for a new buy, the 4060 is a no brainer for 200$ more as you get 15% more raster and then double that lead with dlss3
@@prs99-i7 Yh I’d say it’s worth a 20% price jump for 15% more raster and doubling of the fps with dlss3 as it’s in most demanding titles now and is rapidly coming to more. Rt increases are also higher than 15 due to efficiency of new Rt cores.
@@Drip7914 It's not really a no brainer if you have to spend $200 more now is it. Also 3070/3070ti laptops can be had for around that much more anyway and is the same performance as the 4060. In the case of the 3070ti it's faster than the 4060 even.
Is a 15% improvement in gaming performance after 2 years reasonable? I doubt that. Not to mention the increased price. At the price of 4060 laptops, it's better to consider buying a 3070 laptop instead
I mean, you're not really supposed to buy a 4060 laptop if you already have a 3060. Same way you shouldn't get an iPhone 14 if you already have a 13. It's probably best for people who have a 2060 or gtx 1650 laptop from 4-5 years ago
@@MyronZhao I'd go even further: you'll probably be better off with the 3060, period. With a bigger memory bus and more cuda cores is seems it's mor future proof.
Yeah the 4070 and 4060 on laptop are both pretty disappointing. At least the 4060 gets more Vram and a somewhat noticeable performance bump, but the 4070 is basically just a bad joke.
Man I am SO happy that I decided to get the Legion 5 Pro deal from yesterday (3070, 5800H, 32GB RAM, €1299) instead of waiting for the RTX 4060. Thank you Jarrod for the review, it really made me feel better about the purchase!
Around 15% generational improvement is not that great, since 3060 performed around 34% better than 2060. In some countries, 3070 & 3070 Ti are now more affordable, better off getting those unless you really want frame generation
If you also take into account the slightly better CPU and faster RAM, this "improvement" just melts away into margin of error territory... Two words properly summarize these results: CORPORATE GREED Frame generation is literally the only thing the 4060 has going on for it... BS
Yeah for example, in Indonesia A local brand sell a 3070 desktop replacement for only 1000$ It has 100% Srgb screen, replaceable battery, 11th gen Desktop Intel CPu, high refresh rate and all. But it is a chonky boi tho. Regardless it is what you said, better to buy that than a 4060 laptop if one aim is only for gaming and replacing your desktop.
@@TabalugaDragon oh my bad I forgot to specify "replaceable battery" part. What I meant is *External* replaceable battery. You know, just like the old laptop of the day, where the batteries are outside instead of inside.
@@TabalugaDragon tbh, I cant answer that, especially the "laptop" is more of a desktop replacement. Why focus on battery if it is going to be plugged 24/7? But regardless, I can see how it can be beneficial. I see this more to longevity of use, as in users can easily repair their if it got problems, especially with battery ussually is one if the highest reason why people change their laptop. You dont need to open the laptop, just pluck out the battery and change it. That is the only thing I can think of that is beneficial for the user. One other reason I can think of is, maximizing internal space, since battery is one of the biggest thing inside a laptop, making it external just give this particular laptop more space to put in its desktop cpu, rtx 3070, and a plethora of nvme and sata port
Strange how the mid-range laptop 40-series gpus are both kind of disappointing, given the performance of the higher-end chips. No way i’m upgrading from a 3070Ti
@@AlbrechtProud1 I also told this to my friend, if they cant afford the 4080 premium. Its better to stick with the 3070ti they have or buy a super discounted full powered 3080ti since a 5-10% speed increase from the 3070ti doesnt justify the 4070 premium even with the frame generation on.
Very interesting comparison. The gains were meh, but that cost-per-frame was insane for a 40 series laptop. This and the 40/3070 comparison make me satisfied to have bought a 30 series laptop.
Thanks for these tests! Love all the data! Some of my thoughts: 1) Many RTX 4060 laptops are not full power 140W GPU configurations, so take this test with a grain of salt. The vast majority of RTX 4060 laptops are in cheaper or thinner laptops, resulting most laptops being in the 75-105W range. Take for example the Gigabyte G5/MSI Katana/Zephyrus G16/Zephyrus G14 with a 4060 vs the same model last year with a low wattage 3060. The RTX 4000 series GPU scales much better at those lower wattages we often find in those thinner laptops, making the RTX 4060 have a larger gap in performance vs lower wattage RTX 3060/3070/3080 models. Meaning that when both GPUs are a lower wattages, the RTX 4060 blows past a similar wattage RTX 3060 and competes instead with 3070 TI/3080 CPUs at the lower wattages. This isn't the case the higher the wattage levels since the 3070 TI / 3080 can get better performance gains at higher wattage levels. So if you want a thicker laptop, then RTX 3000 series provides better bang for the buck in thicker/larger chassis. 2) I have really appreciated Frame Generation for increasing the smoothness of my gameplay in recent titles like Hogwarts and Dying LIght 2. Very few artifacts are ever noticeable and the increased smoothness is very real and should not be ignored when making a purchase decision, especially if you mainly play single player games where the increased latency doesn't matter as much and frankly is very hard to notice at all.
Meanwhile nvidia haters been comparing raster performance while totally discarding FG. FG is a game changer as it boosts performance per watt to 2.5x comparing ada to ampere and it leaves no comparison. My 4060 pulls 85w and we are comparing it to 140w 3060.
@@filippetrovic845 That tech only works in a selection of games. Not all games have it, and we can't justify using it as a crutch because without it, the 4060's raw performance is horrendous.
Did anybody else notice that there was no performance increase in 4060 after 100Watts? It means this is supposed to be a highly overpriced budget GPU not a midrange.
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comparison of 4060 vs 3070Ti or 3070 would be helpful and gives people insight whether to spend extra $300-500 on 4060 or get a 3070Ti laptop that's on sale
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@@Naraayanay ai modelling needs vram. Get a 3080 laptop on sale for less than 1400 or used. (Asus Zephyrus g15). If you want the 40 series, 1 suggestion is the Asus G16/g18
I don’t think you made a mistake with the RTX 4070 video compared to a 3070 TI, this kind of solidifies that Nvidia wasn’t trying to hard to make raw rasterization performance gains with the next generation, other than in their top tier cards. They’re literally just relying on the frame generation in the less expensive models.
6:06 this must be due to the extra VRAM. FH5 can't run on my 3060 laptop with textures above High, otherwise I get a VRAM warning and the game massively slows down. With textures set to High and everything else maxed, I'm able to get 70ish FPS in the benchmark at 1080p and my laptop doesn't even have a mux switch, has a weaker CPU, and my 3060 is only 90W
Agreed. Several of the outliers here are well known to be VRAM hungry games even at 1080p. Hogwart's Legacy and Far Cry 6 are outliers as well, due to the 3060's 6 GB of VRAM being insufficient at max settings. Diablo 4 beta also needs 8 GB of VRAM for 1080p high (and still stutters a bit). I'm surprised that this wasn't mentioned in the review since dropping down one setting would've significantly closed the gap between 3060 and 4060.
On ultra it can run ok. But i dont get a vram warning on extreme. And take in count that on extreme all game is not maxed. And in this game there is not difference having or not a max switch. And if you have 90W, with boost is 105W.
It kinda looks good against the 3060, but I feel like, at that pricing and performance, 3070ti laptops on sale or even 3070 would be a lot better. Especially when you consider the better screen/ chassis you'd mostly get with them. In my opinion, Nvidia is very lucky that AMD didn't show up much for competition in laptops this year. The generational gain is not as big as we've seen before and it seem they're only relying on frame gen which is still relatively new and, so far, only a handful of games support it. Except for the 4090 and 4080 laptops which cost a fortune. I'm not impressed.
"Nvidia is very lucky that AMD didn't show up much for competition in laptops this year" - That's the very reason they're doing this. There's no competition right now so they're simply doing as they like and having consumers like us take the fall. It's infuriating.
Jarrod did a review on a RX 7600 in a laptop which showed it was competitive with the 3070 in some games and sometimes a bit below a 3060, but i don't know what the price is like though.
Some of the 12% performance differences are likely due to CPU and Memory upgrades too. So in reality, 4060 offers only single digit performance improvement over 3060. I guess this is what happens when Nvidia pretty much monopolized the GPU market. Not sure if it's true, but I heard Nvidia is now also setting rules for laptop manufacturers to sell laptops at a certain minimum price tag if they want to use the RTX 40 series GPU in order to increase Nvidia's brand value.
Wouldn’t surprise me. I asked XMG about their absurd 1k upgrade price from a 4060 to a 4080 and they only said, that they currently can’t offer it any cheaper.
I was in the market for a new laptop with either 3060 or 4060 and went with the 3060, no regrets so far. The 4060 model would have come with an i5 instead of an i7 and was 400€ more expensive. Looking back now im happy i went with the cheaper 3060
To me the power scaling plot at 1:27 is the most interesting because it shows how both GPUs perform at lower watts (= less noise). I think rather than focussing on so much on maximum performance reviewers could also test "how loud is this laptop while running popular games at 60fps with medium-high graphics settings" which is what I really want to know
As someone who suffers from sensory overload and plays a lot of quiet games, I would also like to see that sort of comparison. For me, the 4060 actually *would* be an upgrade over the 3060 because it runs well at lower TGP and hence lower volumes. Don't get me wrong, the pricing is currently bad enough that when I eventually upgrade from a 1060 laptop it probably won't be for any 40x0 right now, but that power scaling is why it's only "probably." Oh how it would help if Radeon 7x00M wasn't borderline vaporware...
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That's what I was thinking, but because battery life is a big factor (obviously) so lowering the necessary power for the same amount of performance is actually a big step forward, even if the max performance boost isn't that big
Are you serious? 4080 laptops cost at minimum 2x the price of 4060 laptop. I max out any game with my asus tuf a15 with 4060. Cyberpunk at 100fps average on ultra with rt reflections. 3060 would be more like 50fps.
I was considering 3060 laptop when it came out + i would be able to mine eth on it to payback over 50% of price but i invested in desktop instead. Im glad bcs 4060 blows it so hard that it looks ridiculous. 85w 4060 in cp77 ultra with low rt i get 100fps while on 3060 its 50fps.
@@matt-be8lc You're never gonna want to be gaming with anything intensive on battery regardless, battery life or no, due to the throttling that causes. Its just not the main selling point, even if it can be handy from time to time. The main benefit of laptops is to people who are gonna be traveling a fair bit or might be in a situation where they cant afford to move a whole desktop around with them, since outlets are just about everywhere nowadays. Efficiency improvements also are nice as far as thermals go.
@@torinriley7569 I see that as a tech limitation, nothing else. Just like Steam decks and other handhelds are made to game on battery, laptops should be able to too, I just don't think that's the focus of manufacturers when they make gaming laptops, then you also account for all the bloat that is Windows. In 10 years, maybe we'll see some evolution where laptops can actually game portably and efficiently on battery.
@@matt-be8lc the reason the steam deck can last longer is due to significantly lower specs and target resolution compared to a laptop. The deck also has throttling when on battery, much like the switch and it's differing performance in dock and out, it's just less noticable at the lower settings you're running at. Its oranges and apples, or, well, consoles vs multimedia and work machines. That said I do hope there's a day where it's possible to get full performance and full battery life. On a sidenote, windows currently is pretty bloat free compared to how it used to be, a debloater is now more a thing of preference rather than need (on a fresh install at least).
Honestly as a 3060 laptop user you can simply use NVCleanstall to remove the bloat that comes with the stock install and you can get much higher performance. For example, you might want to skip support for Stereo 3D Glasses, USB-C or Telemetry. Planning on making a tutorial on how to get low Processes in Windows 11 Task Manager. You will also get less power consumption for more performance and less fan noise for the same work load. With that said a great video for the channel would be to compare these cards to a stock install and NVCleanstall with recommended settings. If you are looking to get a 4060 or whatever and worried about the narrower memory bus and bandwidth then consider NVCleanstall to free up some headroom and (this goes for all Nvidia Cards ) get an increase in system responsiveness allowing the card to perform like a video card and not a telemetry machince logging texture files, games and usage for some reason.
Hey Jarrod! So while i was testing the Asus G16 i saw that it never really went above 105w while the max tdp is 140w. You are saying this is because the laptops hit voltage limits? Thanks again for your amazing videos. Big fan of yours
According to Notebookcheck's tests the 4050/60/70 don't really gain any performance past 100W, for some reason they don't seem to scale past that wattage. Doesn't explain it not hitting the maximum TDP anyways, but at least you shouldn't worry too much about performance loss.
When you're trying to get the best deal, you never know until later. For updating my desktop last year, I did okay, but for laptop, I'm really happy. There were black Friday deals on a gigabyte/clevo 5600h w 130w 3060 for about 750 US. I'm really surprised at how high expensive the 30 series gpu laptops have stayed, hopefully they fall further with more 40 series models out (or if AMD ever bothers to put out more of their GPUs in laptops)
The performance of these two graphics card is very similar I believe. Price tags of laptops equipped with these graphics cards are now pretty close, but the RTX 4060 is generally less power hungry, which leads to an increase of battery life. Personally, I don't think that the RTX 4060 is such a bad graphics card.
For me, the real advantage of 4060 vs 3060 is its efficiency. Remember, the power scaling of ampere GPUs is really dependent on how much watts you pump to get the most out of the cards. This is a big problem with lightweight and thin gaming laptops, 80-100w 3060 is really slow compared to full powered 140w 3060. With ada 4060, the performance peaked around 100w, then went linear once you pump more power. Therefore, you can achieve full performance even though giving only 100w to the card. This means more performance for thin and entry-level gaming laptops that dont have a robust cooling system DLSS 3 with FG is only cherry on top, BUT FSR 3 is around the corner, which also claimed 2x performance vs. FSR 2 for both Nvidia and AMD cards to benefit.
Well, maybe the jump in raw performance isn't that big of a deal, but I would say that it's pretty remarkable that the 4060 can have the same perfomance of the 3060 at nearly HALF the wattage.
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Yeah, no. Thats complete garbage. Want to know something impressive? The 1060 was 2x faster than the 960m at the same wattage. It was faster than the 960m at lower TDP's. The 1660ti was 40% faster than the 1060 at the same wattage too. And it didn't have some massive node improvement either.
@@anonplayerssss7819Kind of a year late, but the efficiency actually is kind of a game changer for myself, as it makes working with Blender on battery easily feasible. Don’t need to plug in to get a fair bit of shader work done, and performance very super far apart between battery and plugged in.
Id like to see the 4060 at a low power limit as well as full power 4060 vs 3070. I wonder if 4060 at like 30-50 watts would be a good option in an ultrabook with 7940hs.
@@dd22koopaesverde58 Actually the rx780m is a bit weaker than a 1650 g6 in laptops. And to get 1650 performance, that 7940hs has to use 60 to 70w. So not exactly meant for low power ultrabooks.
@@pyramidschemer4083 But whats the point of that when the 45w 4060 cyborg 15 costs the same as the 105w 3060 laptops while having worse build, screens, etc.?
Thx for confirming the 100W TDP Limit, beyond which more Watt won't make any difference. When I compared the 3060 85/105W to the 4060 85/105W I had very similar results. Great video and great charts, as always! 👏
Great video. Forza and Hogwarts Legacy are clear outliers so it might be better to use median value instead of average because it's not affected by them. For 1080p median is 11.41 fps and for 1440p 9.54 fps.
So basically all the people who decided to wait, waited for higher prices and fake frames...all while missing out on deals on the 3000 series laptops. You can't make this shit up, I swear.
Considering 40 series GPU for laptops is out, maybe do comparison on 4060 vs 4070 vs 4080 and give us advice which is worth it. I think most of people who look to buy new gaming laptop will be focusing on 4060 vs 4070.
I can help you with that already: 4080 is outright too expensive for most people, so it's basically off the table from the start regardless of performance. 4070 is only going to be a very minor performance bump compared to 4060 and doesn't even have a vram advantage this generation, but is significantly more expensive. So really, your best bet right now is to get a 4060 or a 3070/3070ti on sale. Personally I'm wary of the 6gb vram on the 3060 at this point, especially if you're getting a 1440p screen, otherwise I would recommend it on sale as well.
It completely sucks that even with new CPU & GPU, many games only saw like 10fps difference. Completely pointless to upgrade for most of us tbh. Gr8 testing/graphs as ever.
@@obadakamal6470 The number of supported games is still by far inferior to those that support DLSS/FG, therefore not really a viable alternative. Maybe in the future.
You're pretty much buying into FG, investing into a software solution to boost framerates (that isn't 1:1 visual quality), rather than giving you a generational performance uplift. The efficiency between them has improved, although at 100W+ it pretty much becomes useless, higher freq doesn't really help with the gimped cuda/mem bandwidth count. The only thing these 40 series dGPU seems useful for are for thin and lights, which I admit is impressive. What has me intrigued is the results we got from 7600S from the Asus TUF A16. Although, Control benchmarks are one to one, and has the 7600S beat, in Cyberpunk and RDR2 with different settings, it doesn't seem too far off. AMD couldn't have had a better time to strike at competitive prices to keep consumers wasting there money on horrible price/perf 40 series laptop cards. Of course, with depending on what you actually use your GPU for.
yeah and now that we're sure that FSR 3 with FG is comming for all cards new and old ( yeah most probably it won't look that good like FSR 1 did when it came out , but with updates FSR 2.2 is so fucking good right now so anything will improve with time especially that its gonna be open source ) so the whole marketing and selling point of this 40 series is FG , and now its gone hahaha,
Yeah I'd like to see them side by side. Now that the 70 class card doesn't even have a vram advantage I bet there's basically no reason to get it over 4060 this gen. By my estimations it looks like there will only be a 10% difference in performance
4060 is really unique how it can achieve 60 fps at 36 watts even at 1080P! This can be very practical using only small solar system considering ac adaptor running at 12v in laptop like Msi Cyborg.
Looking at the price vs performance of the 40 series I'm hoping that amd comes out with something better like last year 6000 series Any idea Jarrod regarding amd or we are stuck with these horrible priced 40 series for the time being
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I have seen your videos before but never subscribed. I just noticed the Power Scaling graph you made and I think that the graph alone is worth a thousand words, subscribed
@@valkovtala1504 one problem that AMD has with low end laptop GPUs is that their Phoenix CPUs will be like 30% worse but more than double the efficiency. With midrange though it will be interesting to see.
the pricing/performance this year is real annoying...my budget is around $1600 to replace my 1660 (which is still decent at 1080p), the 4060 pricing is fair but i don't feel confident about that 128bit..like nividia what's wrong with you bruh, 4070 is just pure garbo, 4080 got some big juicy improvement but prices are out of my reach, so conclusion: imma wait for 5060!
VRAM limitations are likely coming into play heavily with the 3060. 6GB just isn't enough in 2023, it was barely enough for 1080p back in early 2021 when the mobile 3060 came out. This is made worse by the x8 PCIE link on mobile vs x16 on desktop.
True. I think 3060 is more optimal for 1080p with high preset without RTX or 1440p with DLSS. That excludes older/smaller games that can be played with any potato-pc using max settings anyway. Modern open world games tend to use more than 6gb VRAM with max setting even without RTX (ex; cyberpunk, Forza horizon 5, Hogwarts legacy, etc.).
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this confirms my theory... Nvidia is scaling back the hardware below the 4070ti to make more money, and then relying on DLSS to uplift the performance. This is probably the reason why DLSS3 is locked out on Ampere. Because if Ampere had DLSS3, then Ada would not be as relevant!
As a gtx 1060 laptop owner. Im thinking to upgrade but no idea what to get. I'm feeling quite disenchanted with nvidia giving meagre upgrades over the previous gen and charging crazy prices. I always regretted not getting the 1070. But it seems the 4060 and 4070 are poor deals. 128bit bus is a joke. Is dlls3 image really a noticeable drop in clarity? As everyone seems to think 3070 is better. Ugh
Thank you for your hard work! I'm glad I bought Lenovo Legion 5 2022 (Intel i7) on December last year after saw your review and considering it for quite a time and I'm glad I made a right decision. Kudos for you work, keep it up!
Do you expect the 4060's performance to increase as more driver updates are released? I noticed my old 1060 laptop performing noticeably better with every driver update. Since the 4060 has just come out, I would think its performance will increase over time.
Can you make a review of that new trending budget laptop from Gigabyte with RTX 4050/4060? At first glance, considering it’s price point, it seems like a great deal.
So basically, the 4060 and 4070 don't have that much improvement over last gen but instead have more features and can fit into more laptops due to the lower possible power ranges? Though this is a surprise since I have seen other benchmarks that a 105 watt 4060 performs just about the same as a full powered 3060. Surprised the higher power levels didn't really give much of a gap I personally don't understand why people complain that much with the difference. If you've got last gen's laptop, I don't think it's a good idea to upgrade to the present generation anyway. It's not like the 30 series laptop instantly becomes obsolete. For another, even with the slightly higher price, you're not exactly getting just a gpu. You're getting the full package with new cpu and other improvements that come with a newer generation. Those don't exactly come for free
I hope there will be a video comparing the 4060 and 4070 against their predecessors at lower wattages, because the differences should be much larger due to lovelace's much better efficiency. However, if nvidia did not cut down the die sizes so much, and kept more cuda cores, the performance difference would be much larger at both high and low wattages.
Makes me appreciate that I pulled trigger on L5P 6800H 3070Ti 32GB DDR5 at Microcenter for 1500 right before 40 series launch and it just sold out right after 1-2 weeks because of how popular it got.
Yeah, pls do a comparison at lower power (60W-70W), and if could record the noise that'd be awesome, because I assume the 4060 laptops would be quieter at lower than Max TDP. Some productivity tests like Blender renders, video exports would also be nice
This is so disappointing. Basically the rtx 4060 card is a 3060 with dlss 3.0 and frame generation. Besides new technologies, Nvidia did nothing for the 4060.
I think that the big differences in Hogwarts and Forza was due to the textures at extreme settings needing more vram to load. I play FH5 on my rtx 3060 laptop and it gets me a vram warning when I put the textures quality above high. Thus the 4060 having 2gb more vram is getting a bigger lead in those games.
40 series cards are faster and have lower cuda cores because they have huge cache: 4060 - 32MB L2 3060 - 3MB L2 Gpus now are limited by bandwidth not by cpu raw performance. That’s why they can even get away with lower memory bandwidth. And cache takes so much physical space, You get less room for cuda cores. You can even notice in CPU space with AMD 3D VCache that chips are so fast they’re just limited by bandwidth. After review: I guess they should had kept 192-bit bus and kept 12GB VRAM like desktops.
@@d1kgaws12 the 4090 could have stayed desktop only, the 4080 both laptop and desktop should have had 20GB 320bit, the 4070 laptop, desktop and 4070 Ti should have had 16GB 256bit VRAM, the 4060 laptop and desktop and 4060 Ti should have had 12GB 192bit and the 4050 laptop and desktop should have/had 8GB 128bit.
The gap in performance is not great even with higher settings compared to the 20 to 30 series upgrade. Hopefully amd releases a budget gpu that actually makes a difference or else people have to buy 2500+ laptops to actually get any value.
Their renaming of gpu tiers is the clear culprit. In reality we have here a 4050ti beating 3060... The true generational gains are seen comparing 4090 to 3080ti, or 4080 to 3070, the true counterparts.
Ah yes remember when going from a 960 -> 1060 was a significant boost in performance in the span of about 2-3 years? At the very least those who got a 3060 are probably going to enjoy that for another 3-4 generations at this rate. Hell if I had a 1060 I'd probably keep rocking that for another 2 years and get my moneys worth out of it.
I literally have a 1060 laptop. I expect CPU limitations from the i7-7700HQ to be my catalyst to replace it, honestly. The (6GB) 1060 at launch may have been the greatest tech bargain of the 2010s. It was honest-to-goodness worth more several years into its life than at launch, and that's even ignoring how some people made a quick buck out of them through nerdbuck mining (of course this was also part of why a 1060 literally appreciated after it should have been obsolete).
So in the end, The RTX 3060 Mobile (130W/140W) is still the best in terms of value. As it was in 2021 and in 2022. No need to upgrade. I still love my Legion 5 Gen 6 and thank you again Jarrod for these videos, keep it up man.
I was planning to buy lenovo legion 5 ryzen 7 rtx 3060 but after convincing my parents to raise the budget I'm planning to buy this msi cyborg 15 rtx 4060 . What do u think which one should i buy as i need a solid gaming laptop that can run games smoothly on high graphics???
@@premdhende7827 if you're planning to play on 1080p on high or even ultra settings with 60+ fps in 2023 , and also for most future games in 2 -3 years with high settings +50 , then definitely go with rtx 3060 ( but keep in mind that get the full power as 130 or 140 w) / but if you're planning to play on 1440p on ultra settings and get +60 fps in demanding games then probably 4060 will be better as it comes with 2 gb more vram and dlss 3 , but nvidia 40 generation doesn't improve alot the only advantage that it has is support FG and nothing more , actually i won't recommend to upgrade from nvidias 30 generations to the 40 ones because the last generation is ridiculously expensive and you won't get that much performance improve , Short of the story if you targeting 1080p with 40 or 50 + or even 60 + on optimized games in next 2-3 years then go with 3060 If you're 2k player then go with 4060
@@migongaming You do realize that that laptop is just basically rebranded and repainted from Clevo N960KR right ? why would he reviewed an old outdated laptop with a disappointing 11th gen Intel ?
For the general price increase the 4000 series came it really is weird how little they bring to the table. Let´s see what the 5000 series has to offer or what amd´s mobile department comes up with. 7800mobile might be interesting. But then again.. i am afraid nvidia releases dlss4 (super double fake frame rendering) and sells the 5000 series cards of this while making it even less capable, but twice the price.
Should I go for the legion 5i pro with 3070ti 150W on sale ? Or wait for the Strix G16 rtx 4060 140W ? Considering future games will use more features like frame gen
See how the RTX 4050 and 3060 compare next: th-cam.com/video/A-IvCqe47WE/w-d-xo.html
The top of the graph at 8:13 should say faster, not slower.
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Thank you sir I've been waiting for a video like this. Not many on youtube.
Did you include Frame Generation in your 25 game averages? Hogwarts Legacy was showing as one of the best performers for the 4060 but actually lost without FG.
Forza Horizon 5 at extreme settings needs more than 6Gb Vram .
If you instead test it at ultra. Difference will be a lot closer
thank you very much for the reviews you do.
There are many channels that say how many FPS one can get with the DLSS feature enabled. But so far I saw only one guy who mentioned and measured how much slower the system becomes with DLSS. As DLSS takes a lot of the processing resources the system latency grows (64-76 ms on the desktop 4090).
This is an issue for those who want to play smoothly and at the same time gain high cybersport results.
Don't you want to direct your inquisitive gaze into this area?
4060 slower in 1440p? Mistake?
So if you remove the top 3 games in these charts, the RTX 4060 is about 10% faster. Not worth it.
Upgrading Gen on Gen for an entire laptop is pretty dumb but for someone looking for a new buy, the 4060 is a no brainer for 200$ more as you get 15% more raster and then double that lead with dlss3
@@Drip7914 so um if I'm buying a completely new one not upgrading a laptop from last or 3 years should I get the 4060?
@@prs99-i7 Yh I’d say it’s worth a 20% price jump for 15% more raster and doubling of the fps with dlss3 as it’s in most demanding titles now and is rapidly coming to more. Rt increases are also higher than 15 due to efficiency of new Rt cores.
@@prs99-i7 only 3 years? Not worth it. At least 5+ years, then it'll be worth it.
@@Drip7914 It's not really a no brainer if you have to spend $200 more now is it. Also 3070/3070ti laptops can be had for around that much more anyway and is the same performance as the 4060. In the case of the 3070ti it's faster than the 4060 even.
Is a 15% improvement in gaming performance after 2 years reasonable? I doubt that. Not to mention the increased price. At the price of 4060 laptops, it's better to consider buying a 3070 laptop instead
If you look at the 1% low, it's nowhere near 15%.
I mean, you're not really supposed to buy a 4060 laptop if you already have a 3060. Same way you shouldn't get an iPhone 14 if you already have a 13. It's probably best for people who have a 2060 or gtx 1650 laptop from 4-5 years ago
Much 0f that 15% is due to the CPU
it seems like the gaming performance uplift comes more from the cpu and vram rather than the gpu tbh
@@MyronZhao I'd go even further: you'll probably be better off with the 3060, period. With a bigger memory bus and more cuda cores is seems it's mor future proof.
Wow the cost per frame actually got WORSE gen-to-gen, even the desktop 4080 wasn't that bad
Yeah the 4070 and 4060 on laptop are both pretty disappointing. At least the 4060 gets more Vram and a somewhat noticeable performance bump, but the 4070 is basically just a bad joke.
Not true if you include gains from using FG
@@vladdx unfortunatly, frame gen doesnt work on most game. Plus the gains are varying alot
@@amadei2 Sure but more and more games are starting to add it including some of the games released before 2023
I am sure next generation the performance will also go backwards.
Man I am SO happy that I decided to get the Legion 5 Pro deal from yesterday (3070, 5800H, 32GB RAM, €1299) instead of waiting for the RTX 4060.
Thank you Jarrod for the review, it really made me feel better about the purchase!
Hahha same man!!! I got the 2022 Lenovo Legion 5i Pro with the 140W rtx 3060, 16gb DDR5, i7 12700h for only €1100. Incredible performance
Me too but I went for the 3070.
@@void9092 i also have myself an msi crosshair rtx 3070 version laptop, i bought it yesterday thinking rtx 4070 is very less improvement over 3070
Lol, you bought it at Mediamarkt right?
Same model I've had for over a year now. It's nice to know I still don't need to upgrade anytime soon.
Around 15% generational improvement is not that great, since 3060 performed around 34% better than 2060. In some countries, 3070 & 3070 Ti are now more affordable, better off getting those unless you really want frame generation
If you also take into account the slightly better CPU and faster RAM, this "improvement" just melts away into margin of error territory...
Two words properly summarize these results: CORPORATE GREED
Frame generation is literally the only thing the 4060 has going on for it...
BS
Yeah for example, in Indonesia
A local brand sell a 3070 desktop replacement for only 1000$
It has 100% Srgb screen, replaceable battery, 11th gen Desktop Intel CPu, high refresh rate and all.
But it is a chonky boi tho. Regardless it is what you said, better to buy that than a 4060 laptop if one aim is only for gaming and replacing your desktop.
@@TabalugaDragon oh my bad I forgot to specify "replaceable battery" part.
What I meant is *External* replaceable battery.
You know, just like the old laptop of the day, where the batteries are outside instead of inside.
@@TabalugaDragon tbh, I cant answer that, especially the "laptop" is more of a desktop replacement. Why focus on battery if it is going to be plugged 24/7?
But regardless, I can see how it can be beneficial. I see this more to longevity of use, as in users can easily repair their if it got problems, especially with battery ussually is one if the highest reason why people change their laptop.
You dont need to open the laptop, just pluck out the battery and change it.
That is the only thing I can think of that is beneficial for the user. One other reason I can think of is, maximizing internal space, since battery is one of the biggest thing inside a laptop, making it external just give this particular laptop more space to put in its desktop cpu, rtx 3070, and a plethora of nvme and sata port
@@manghariz2211 its rebranded from Clevo N960KR into Axioo
Finally! The most awaited review since the RTX 4070 vs 3070ti
They basicially have the same timespy scores :')
Strange how the mid-range laptop 40-series gpus are both kind of disappointing, given the performance of the higher-end chips. No way i’m upgrading from a 3070Ti
@@AlbrechtProud1 I also told this to my friend, if they cant afford the 4080 premium. Its better to stick with the 3070ti they have or buy a super discounted full powered 3080ti since a 5-10% speed increase from the 3070ti doesnt justify the 4070 premium even with the frame generation on.
@@AlbrechtProud1 im waiting for last year's legion's price to drop lol
Kinda excited to see the most diappointing GPUs of 2023.
Very interesting comparison. The gains were meh, but that cost-per-frame was insane for a 40 series laptop. This and the 40/3070 comparison make me satisfied to have bought a 30 series laptop.
Also Spiderman, which is well optimized game (so driver optimizations wont matter) shows that pure performance is almost same here
I'm still using my laptop with GTX 1050-Ti to play all my triple-A games at 1080p 😅
My video is up.
Thanks for these tests! Love all the data! Some of my thoughts: 1) Many RTX 4060 laptops are not full power 140W GPU configurations, so take this test with a grain of salt. The vast majority of RTX 4060 laptops are in cheaper or thinner laptops, resulting most laptops being in the 75-105W range. Take for example the Gigabyte G5/MSI Katana/Zephyrus G16/Zephyrus G14 with a 4060 vs the same model last year with a low wattage 3060. The RTX 4000 series GPU scales much better at those lower wattages we often find in those thinner laptops, making the RTX 4060 have a larger gap in performance vs lower wattage RTX 3060/3070/3080 models. Meaning that when both GPUs are a lower wattages, the RTX 4060 blows past a similar wattage RTX 3060 and competes instead with 3070 TI/3080 CPUs at the lower wattages. This isn't the case the higher the wattage levels since the 3070 TI / 3080 can get better performance gains at higher wattage levels. So if you want a thicker laptop, then RTX 3000 series provides better bang for the buck in thicker/larger chassis.
2) I have really appreciated Frame Generation for increasing the smoothness of my gameplay in recent titles like Hogwarts and Dying LIght 2. Very few artifacts are ever noticeable and the increased smoothness is very real and should not be ignored when making a purchase decision, especially if you mainly play single player games where the increased latency doesn't matter as much and frankly is very hard to notice at all.
Meanwhile nvidia haters been comparing raster performance while totally discarding FG. FG is a game changer as it boosts performance per watt to 2.5x comparing ada to ampere and it leaves no comparison. My 4060 pulls 85w and we are comparing it to 140w 3060.
@@filippetrovic845 That tech only works in a selection of games.
Not all games have it, and we can't justify using it as a crutch because without it, the 4060's raw performance is horrendous.
I have to say I love your power scaling graphs. I hope you keep doing them for every new GPU.
I hope they will raid the tdp to 200+ watts its kinds pointless like that
Did anybody else notice that there was no performance increase in 4060 after 100Watts? It means this is supposed to be a highly overpriced budget GPU not a midrange.
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comparison of 4060 vs 3070Ti or 3070 would be helpful and gives people insight whether to spend extra $300-500 on 4060 or get a 3070Ti laptop that's on sale
I second this
Exactly the position I'm in atm!
Up
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@@Naraayanay ai modelling needs vram.
Get a 3080 laptop on sale for less than 1400 or used. (Asus Zephyrus g15).
If you want the 40 series, 1 suggestion is the Asus G16/g18
I don’t think you made a mistake with the RTX 4070 video compared to a 3070 TI, this kind of solidifies that Nvidia wasn’t trying to hard to make raw rasterization performance gains with the next generation, other than in their top tier cards. They’re literally just relying on the frame generation in the less expensive models.
6:06 this must be due to the extra VRAM. FH5 can't run on my 3060 laptop with textures above High, otherwise I get a VRAM warning and the game massively slows down. With textures set to High and everything else maxed, I'm able to get 70ish FPS in the benchmark at 1080p and my laptop doesn't even have a mux switch, has a weaker CPU, and my 3060 is only 90W
It's definitely a vram limitation. Same with assassins creed and watch dogs legion.
Agreed. Several of the outliers here are well known to be VRAM hungry games even at 1080p. Hogwart's Legacy and Far Cry 6 are outliers as well, due to the 3060's 6 GB of VRAM being insufficient at max settings. Diablo 4 beta also needs 8 GB of VRAM for 1080p high (and still stutters a bit). I'm surprised that this wasn't mentioned in the review since dropping down one setting would've significantly closed the gap between 3060 and 4060.
On ultra it can run ok. But i dont get a vram warning on extreme.
And take in count that on extreme all game is not maxed.
And in this game there is not difference having or not a max switch.
And if you have 90W, with boost is 105W.
What cpu do you have? Ryzen?
@@samk7500 if they drop 1 settings just for 3060 then it wouldn't be fair lol
isn't it more ideal to pick up a 3070 laptop on sale, that's the way I would go
That's what I did :D
yeah maybe even 3070 ti
Would've loved a comment on how it compares to the RTX3070.
It kinda looks good against the 3060, but I feel like, at that pricing and performance, 3070ti laptops on sale or even 3070 would be a lot better. Especially when you consider the better screen/ chassis you'd mostly get with them.
In my opinion, Nvidia is very lucky that AMD didn't show up much for competition in laptops this year. The generational gain is not as big as we've seen before and it seem they're only relying on frame gen which is still relatively new and, so far, only a handful of games support it. Except for the 4090 and 4080 laptops which cost a fortune. I'm not impressed.
Seriously tho why tf is there no amd option?
@@justaman4887 they are still working on rdna3 and working out kinks
"Nvidia is very lucky that AMD didn't show up much for competition in laptops this year" - That's the very reason they're doing this. There's no competition right now so they're simply doing as they like and having consumers like us take the fall. It's infuriating.
Jarrod did a review on a RX 7600 in a laptop which showed it was competitive with the 3070 in some games and sometimes a bit below a 3060, but i don't know what the price is like though.
@@fidelisitor8953 Agreed.
Some of the 12% performance differences are likely due to CPU and Memory upgrades too. So in reality, 4060 offers only single digit performance improvement over 3060. I guess this is what happens when Nvidia pretty much monopolized the GPU market.
Not sure if it's true, but I heard Nvidia is now also setting rules for laptop manufacturers to sell laptops at a certain minimum price tag if they want to use the RTX 40 series GPU in order to increase Nvidia's brand value.
Wouldn’t surprise me. I asked XMG about their absurd 1k upgrade price from a 4060 to a 4080 and they only said, that they currently can’t offer it any cheaper.
Glad i bought only amd, and decided to buy a desktop. Nvidia is too greedy.
That's because the 4060 should've been the 4050, then it would have been impressive to see the 4050 beating the 3060. But they ruined it all
the 4050 might actually beat the 3060 at lower power limits/thin and light laptops
if not for 13th gen cpu in these newer laptop there would be no improvements at all!
I was in the market for a new laptop with either 3060 or 4060 and went with the 3060, no regrets so far. The 4060 model would have come with an i5 instead of an i7 and was 400€ more expensive. Looking back now im happy i went with the cheaper 3060
To me the power scaling plot at 1:27 is the most interesting because it shows how both GPUs perform at lower watts (= less noise). I think rather than focussing on so much on maximum performance reviewers could also test "how loud is this laptop while running popular games at 60fps with medium-high graphics settings" which is what I really want to know
As someone who suffers from sensory overload and plays a lot of quiet games, I would also like to see that sort of comparison.
For me, the 4060 actually *would* be an upgrade over the 3060 because it runs well at lower TGP and hence lower volumes. Don't get me wrong, the pricing is currently bad enough that when I eventually upgrade from a 1060 laptop it probably won't be for any 40x0 right now, but that power scaling is why it's only "probably."
Oh how it would help if Radeon 7x00M wasn't borderline vaporware...
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That's what I was thinking, but because battery life is a big factor (obviously) so lowering the necessary power for the same amount of performance is actually a big step forward, even if the max performance boost isn't that big
Leaving RTX 4080 and 4090 laptop , every rtx 4050,4060 and 4070 is chaos in terms of pricing and performance
RTX 4050 laptops haven't been revealed
@@lil_brumski don't expect for much
Are you serious? 4080 laptops cost at minimum 2x the price of 4060 laptop. I max out any game with my asus tuf a15 with 4060. Cyberpunk at 100fps average on ultra with rt reflections. 3060 would be more like 50fps.
The 115+15 watt 3060 will be remembered at one of the best if not best implementations of GPUs into laptops.
I was considering 3060 laptop when it came out + i would be able to mine eth on it to payback over 50% of price but i invested in desktop instead. Im glad bcs 4060 blows it so hard that it looks ridiculous. 85w 4060 in cp77 ultra with low rt i get 100fps while on 3060 its 50fps.
I feel like people are ignoring the huge efficiency improvements. This is great to see, especially in a portable computer.
Maybe they are on paper, but it's not like new gaming laptops have any significant improvement in battery life.
@@matt-be8lc You're never gonna want to be gaming with anything intensive on battery regardless, battery life or no, due to the throttling that causes. Its just not the main selling point, even if it can be handy from time to time. The main benefit of laptops is to people who are gonna be traveling a fair bit or might be in a situation where they cant afford to move a whole desktop around with them, since outlets are just about everywhere nowadays. Efficiency improvements also are nice as far as thermals go.
@@torinriley7569 I see that as a tech limitation, nothing else. Just like Steam decks and other handhelds are made to game on battery, laptops should be able to too, I just don't think that's the focus of manufacturers when they make gaming laptops, then you also account for all the bloat that is Windows.
In 10 years, maybe we'll see some evolution where laptops can actually game portably and efficiently on battery.
@@matt-be8lc the reason the steam deck can last longer is due to significantly lower specs and target resolution compared to a laptop. The deck also has throttling when on battery, much like the switch and it's differing performance in dock and out, it's just less noticable at the lower settings you're running at. Its oranges and apples, or, well, consoles vs multimedia and work machines. That said I do hope there's a day where it's possible to get full performance and full battery life.
On a sidenote, windows currently is pretty bloat free compared to how it used to be, a debloater is now more a thing of preference rather than need (on a fresh install at least).
Have been waiting for this one for a while!
Same here
Honestly as a 3060 laptop user you can simply use NVCleanstall to remove the bloat that comes with the stock install and you can get much higher performance. For example, you might want to skip support for Stereo 3D Glasses, USB-C or Telemetry. Planning on making a tutorial on how to get low Processes in Windows 11 Task Manager. You will also get less power consumption for more performance and less fan noise for the same work load.
With that said a great video for the channel would be to compare these cards to a stock install and NVCleanstall with recommended settings. If you are looking to get a 4060 or whatever and worried about the narrower memory bus and bandwidth then consider NVCleanstall to free up some headroom and (this goes for all Nvidia Cards ) get an increase in system responsiveness allowing the card to perform like a video card and not a telemetry machince logging texture files, games and usage for some reason.
@thrillvilled111 would love a tutorial on this
Lmk if you made a guide
Hey Jarrod!
So while i was testing the Asus G16 i saw that it never really went above 105w while the max tdp is 140w. You are saying this is because the laptops hit voltage limits? Thanks again for your amazing videos. Big fan of yours
Exactly. Apparently lower 4000 series GPUs only pull more than 105-110 Watts under synthetic benchmarks. It's the same for the 4070.
According to Notebookcheck's tests the 4050/60/70 don't really gain any performance past 100W, for some reason they don't seem to scale past that wattage. Doesn't explain it not hitting the maximum TDP anyways, but at least you shouldn't worry too much about performance loss.
Voltage limited.
So glad I got a Legion 5 RTX 3060 last year in February for only 800 Euro on sale. It's got the cheap 250 nits screen though, still solid though.
you always can swap the screen
Remember you could still use an external monitor as a better display option, if you wanted to. :)
Yes I connect it to my TV when home.
The i7 12700H version or Ryzen 7 6800H Legion version ?
@@Troglodytes14 Ryzen 5600H
When you're trying to get the best deal, you never know until later. For updating my desktop last year, I did okay, but for laptop, I'm really happy. There were black Friday deals on a gigabyte/clevo 5600h w 130w 3060 for about 750 US. I'm really surprised at how high expensive the 30 series gpu laptops have stayed, hopefully they fall further with more 40 series models out (or if AMD ever bothers to put out more of their GPUs in laptops)
true in laptops everything sort of uncertain since yeah we never know how good the cooler, how they tune the cpu gpu clocks and fans etc
even on software side ive seen quite numbers of bugs that reduces perf/unoptimized so yeah desktop if possible my advice
3070 vs 4060 could be similar, can't wait for the comparison..!
The performance of these two graphics card is very similar I believe. Price tags of laptops equipped with these graphics cards are now pretty close, but the RTX 4060 is generally less power hungry, which leads to an increase of battery life. Personally, I don't think that the RTX 4060 is such a bad graphics card.
For me, the real advantage of 4060 vs 3060 is its efficiency. Remember, the power scaling of ampere GPUs is really dependent on how much watts you pump to get the most out of the cards.
This is a big problem with lightweight and thin gaming laptops, 80-100w 3060 is really slow compared to full powered 140w 3060.
With ada 4060, the performance peaked around 100w, then went linear once you pump more power.
Therefore, you can achieve full performance even though giving only 100w to the card. This means more performance for thin and entry-level gaming laptops that dont have a robust cooling system
DLSS 3 with FG is only cherry on top, BUT FSR 3 is around the corner, which also claimed 2x performance vs. FSR 2 for both Nvidia and AMD cards to benefit.
Well, maybe the jump in raw performance isn't that big of a deal, but I would say that it's pretty remarkable that the 4060 can have the same perfomance of the 3060 at nearly HALF the wattage.
you're right but ain't nobody ever using his laptop for hard loads outside a desk with power available so does the price would have to stay reasonable
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Yeah, no. Thats complete garbage. Want to know something impressive? The 1060 was 2x faster than the 960m at the same wattage. It was faster than the 960m at lower TDP's.
The 1660ti was 40% faster than the 1060 at the same wattage too. And it didn't have some massive node improvement either.
@@anonplayerssss7819Kind of a year late, but the efficiency actually is kind of a game changer for myself, as it makes working with Blender on battery easily feasible. Don’t need to plug in to get a fair bit of shader work done, and performance very super far apart between battery and plugged in.
Id like to see the 4060 at a low power limit as well as full power 4060 vs 3070. I wonder if 4060 at like 30-50 watts would be a good option in an ultrabook with 7940hs.
the 7940hs have a igpu like a 1650 for even more low power ultrabooks would be nice
4060 will smoke most 3000 series GPUs if both are running at like 45 watts
@@dd22koopaesverde58 Actually the rx780m is a bit weaker than a 1650 g6 in laptops. And to get 1650 performance, that 7940hs has to use 60 to 70w. So not exactly meant for low power ultrabooks.
@@pyramidschemer4083 But whats the point of that when the 45w 4060 cyborg 15 costs the same as the 105w 3060 laptops while having worse build, screens, etc.?
Thx for confirming the 100W TDP Limit, beyond which more Watt won't make any difference.
When I compared the 3060 85/105W to the 4060 85/105W I had very similar results.
Great video and great charts, as always! 👏
Great video. Forza and Hogwarts Legacy are clear outliers so it might be better to use median value instead of average because it's not affected by them. For 1080p median is 11.41 fps and for 1440p 9.54 fps.
Thank you for objectively comparing similar laptops! I feel relieved for buying a predator helios 3060 during Black Friday.
Me too i got a 2022 nitro 5 3060 i5 12-500h for £820 on black friday it's also my first gaming laptop
I am very happy with my Legion5 3060. 15% is nice, but nowhere near enough to justify a replacement. May be 6000 series, if nvidia behaves.
bro I'm going to buy my first gaming laptop should i buy legion 3060 or wait or 4060😮💨
@@abhishekkunn get the 3060 no much difference
@@Winter_ECU Thanks ✌️
@@abhishekkunn Depends on the price difference. If the price is 100 or so EUR I would go for the 4000 series, but otherwise stick with 3060.
Jarrod THANKS!!! I was waiting for you comparison test only! Please also do 3060 vs 4050 🙏. You're the best.
@@TabalugaDragon the 4080 desktop is way faster
Is there is a solution for the low voltage problem in the rtx 4060 ?
hey jarrod, regarding the pricing could you also maybe cover AUD prices as well?
This should have been called the 4050M… Great video nonetheless
or 4050ti and the 4060 should have 3500 or 3800cuda cores
So basically all the people who decided to wait, waited for higher prices and fake frames...all while missing out on deals on the 3000 series laptops. You can't make this shit up, I swear.
Considering 40 series GPU for laptops is out, maybe do comparison on 4060 vs 4070 vs 4080 and give us advice which is worth it. I think most of people who look to buy new gaming laptop will be focusing on 4060 vs 4070.
I can help you with that already:
4080 is outright too expensive for most people, so it's basically off the table from the start regardless of performance.
4070 is only going to be a very minor performance bump compared to 4060 and doesn't even have a vram advantage this generation, but is significantly more expensive.
So really, your best bet right now is to get a 4060 or a 3070/3070ti on sale.
Personally I'm wary of the 6gb vram on the 3060 at this point, especially if you're getting a 1440p screen, otherwise I would recommend it on sale as well.
It completely sucks that even with new CPU & GPU, many games only saw like 10fps difference. Completely pointless to upgrade for most of us tbh. Gr8 testing/graphs as ever.
Yeah it's easier to just overClock GPU you've already got you can get enough clock speed up to get those 10 frames per second back 😂
My dissapointment is immeasurable and my day has been ruined. Thanks Nvidia
Thanks for considering DLSS+FG in your graphs. For me, FG is an awesome feature that alone justifies going for the 40 series instead of 30 series GPUs
now its available to 20 and 30 series thanks to fsr and its decent enough to make it hard upgrade to 40 series
@@obadakamal6470 The number of supported games is still by far inferior to those that support DLSS/FG, therefore not really a viable alternative. Maybe in the future.
You're pretty much buying into FG, investing into a software solution to boost framerates (that isn't 1:1 visual quality), rather than giving you a generational performance uplift. The efficiency between them has improved, although at 100W+ it pretty much becomes useless, higher freq doesn't really help with the gimped cuda/mem bandwidth count. The only thing these 40 series dGPU seems useful for are for thin and lights, which I admit is impressive.
What has me intrigued is the results we got from 7600S from the Asus TUF A16. Although, Control benchmarks are one to one, and has the 7600S beat, in Cyberpunk and RDR2 with different settings, it doesn't seem too far off. AMD couldn't have had a better time to strike at competitive prices to keep consumers wasting there money on horrible price/perf 40 series laptop cards. Of course, with depending on what you actually use your GPU for.
yeah and now that we're sure that FSR 3 with FG is comming for all cards new and old ( yeah most probably it won't look that good like FSR 1 did when it came out , but with updates FSR 2.2 is so fucking good right now so anything will improve with time especially that its gonna be open source ) so the whole marketing and selling point of this 40 series is FG , and now its gone hahaha,
also small error, or typo, at 8:24. title states 4060 is slower by almost 13%, instead of faster. just FYI, not being cynical.
Hey Jarrod, will you be doing a 4070 Vs 4060 comparison? Would be good to see
Yeah I'd like to see them side by side. Now that the 70 class card doesn't even have a vram advantage I bet there's basically no reason to get it over 4060 this gen. By my estimations it looks like there will only be a 10% difference in performance
I plan on it, but I had some issues with the 4060 I wanted to use for it (different from in this video), so I'm waiting on a new one.
130wt 3070 vs 140 wt 4060 would be even better...
Anyone else notice that the 4060 had significantly worse 1% lows sometimes, that's def noticeable in game... I wonder why
No? I saw them lower on the 3060... which game had the 4060 lower sorry?
Oh yeah you mean the stability/frame drops? Yeah I get you! Yeah the difference between highs and lows is where you get your stutters
Ok so dlss3.0 is why you'd want the 4060... but as a 4080 owner, I think the 3060 laptop is better for its time
Because of the memory bandwidth of 4060 is way less than the 3060.
Looks like we've reached the end of Moore's Law
Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but at 8:13 its mentioned that 4060 is slower (and not faster) than 3060. A small typo, not a big deal!
4060 is really unique how it can achieve 60 fps at 36 watts even at 1080P! This can be very practical using only small solar system considering ac adaptor running at 12v in laptop like Msi Cyborg.
At 8:13 there's a small correction, the text above the chart says the 4060 is "12.57% slower" than the 3060
Thanks. Made a pinned comment about it.
this took me a minute to understand
Looking at the price vs performance of the 40 series I'm hoping that amd comes out with something better like last year 6000 series
Any idea Jarrod regarding amd or we are stuck with these horrible priced 40 series for the time being
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Should I buy this gen or 12gen with 3070TI or 3080 or 4070/4080???>
From gtx 1060 laptop which is more worth it?Rtx 4060 or 3060?
I wonder how the 4060 is with content creation. Like Davinci.
I have seen your videos before but never subscribed. I just noticed the Power Scaling graph you made and I think that the graph alone is worth a thousand words, subscribed
I wonder how the 7600m xt would perform to the 4060 laptop
Unfortunately it looks like that card has flopped
@@valkovtala1504 Did it not release? Cause I can't find benchmarks anywhere apart from some synthetic ones.
@@g4md0r32 yeah i don't think there are any laptops with it because ppl don't buy laptops with and graphics
@@valkovtala1504 one problem that AMD has with low end laptop GPUs is that their Phoenix CPUs will be like 30% worse but more than double the efficiency. With midrange though it will be interesting to see.
Great video, in my opinion you have the absolute best testing approach regarding notebook performance
played Diablo 4 last week on my Lenovo Legion Y530 with its 1050 ti -- played good enough -- a little stuttering in some places -- but nothing big
So thats mean in my 1650 g6 laptop would be great
I have been looking forward to this one! Keep up the good work mate 👍
the pricing/performance this year is real annoying...my budget is around $1600 to replace my 1660 (which is still decent at 1080p), the 4060 pricing is fair but i don't feel confident about that 128bit..like nividia what's wrong with you bruh, 4070 is just pure garbo, 4080 got some big juicy improvement but prices are out of my reach, so conclusion: imma wait for 5060!
I would love to see lower TGP too. I'm considering getting a 14inch, so lower tgp comparison helps a lot
VRAM limitations are likely coming into play heavily with the 3060. 6GB just isn't enough in 2023, it was barely enough for 1080p back in early 2021 when the mobile 3060 came out. This is made worse by the x8 PCIE link on mobile vs x16 on desktop.
Does this mean i can't have DirectX12,Lumen and Nanite turn on Fortnite if I buy 3060 laptops?
True. I think 3060 is more optimal for 1080p with high preset without RTX or 1440p with DLSS. That excludes older/smaller games that can be played with any potato-pc using max settings anyway.
Modern open world games tend to use more than 6gb VRAM with max setting even without RTX (ex; cyberpunk, Forza horizon 5, Hogwarts legacy, etc.).
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9
~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling
~Computer modelling and networking
~Virtualization
Should I buy this gen or 12gen with 3070TI or 3080 or 4070/4080???>
Hey Jarrod, should I go for a laptop with an RTX 3070 Ti or a laptop with an RTX 4060? Please reply to me!
this confirms my theory... Nvidia is scaling back the hardware below the 4070ti to make more money, and then relying on DLSS to uplift the performance. This is probably the reason why DLSS3 is locked out on Ampere. Because if Ampere had DLSS3, then Ada would not be as relevant!
It fully works. They just want it to be exclusive.
As a gtx 1060 laptop owner. Im thinking to upgrade but no idea what to get. I'm feeling quite disenchanted with nvidia giving meagre upgrades over the previous gen and charging crazy prices. I always regretted not getting the 1070. But it seems the 4060 and 4070 are poor deals. 128bit bus is a joke. Is dlls3 image really a noticeable drop in clarity? As everyone seems to think 3070 is better. Ugh
Thank you for your hard work! I'm glad I bought Lenovo Legion 5 2022 (Intel i7) on December last year after saw your review and considering it for quite a time and I'm glad I made a right decision. Kudos for you work, keep it up!
What’s stuck in your foodpipe?
Do you expect the 4060's performance to increase as more driver updates are released? I noticed my old 1060 laptop performing noticeably better with every driver update. Since the 4060 has just come out, I would think its performance will increase over time.
maybe 5% but it's not going to be game changing in any way
That's just placebo...
@@panjak323 Benchmarks would say otherwise.
@@EngineerMikey5 about 1060 increasing in performance as time goes ? Why is then rx 580 much faster nowadays?
@@panjak323 Then what are you even calling placebo?
Can you make a review of that new trending budget laptop from Gigabyte with RTX 4050/4060? At first glance, considering it’s price point, it seems like a great deal.
The outliers espically forza and hogwarts legacy at max settings require more than 6gb vram, which explains why 4060 had such massive gains there
Yeah but gap is closer on 1440p
So basically, the 4060 and 4070 don't have that much improvement over last gen but instead have more features and can fit into more laptops due to the lower possible power ranges? Though this is a surprise since I have seen other benchmarks that a 105 watt 4060 performs just about the same as a full powered 3060. Surprised the higher power levels didn't really give much of a gap
I personally don't understand why people complain that much with the difference. If you've got last gen's laptop, I don't think it's a good idea to upgrade to the present generation anyway. It's not like the 30 series laptop instantly becomes obsolete. For another, even with the slightly higher price, you're not exactly getting just a gpu. You're getting the full package with new cpu and other improvements that come with a newer generation. Those don't exactly come for free
I hope there will be a video comparing the 4060 and 4070 against their predecessors at lower wattages, because the differences should be much larger due to lovelace's much better efficiency. However, if nvidia did not cut down the die sizes so much, and kept more cuda cores, the performance difference would be much larger at both high and low wattages.
I have undervolted my 4060 and it's amazing how efficient it is around 35-40w.
Makes me appreciate that I pulled trigger on L5P 6800H 3070Ti 32GB DDR5 at Microcenter for 1500 right before 40 series launch and it just sold out right after 1-2 weeks because of how popular it got.
Yeah, pls do a comparison at lower power (60W-70W), and if could record the noise that'd be awesome, because I assume the 4060 laptops would be quieter at lower than Max TDP. Some productivity tests like Blender renders, video exports would also be nice
Honestly this video made me happy I got a 3060 Legion 5 in 2021 thanks to Jarrod's recommendation.
This is so disappointing. Basically the rtx 4060 card is a 3060 with dlss 3.0 and frame generation. Besides new technologies, Nvidia did nothing for the 4060.
8:20 Did you mean 12.57% Faster than? It says Slower than in the column
the display is a dealbreaker for me, I'm really interested in the new mini led laptops or HDR OLED
I think that the big differences in Hogwarts and Forza was due to the textures at extreme settings needing more vram to load. I play FH5 on my rtx 3060 laptop and it gets me a vram warning when I put the textures quality above high. Thus the 4060 having 2gb more vram is getting a bigger lead in those games.
A 4060 laptop for a good price would be a decent upgrade from my 1050 one. But the "for a good price" is a tall order...
For me it is an upgrade from 970m (1050Ti equivalent) to 4060
You're better off getting a 3070 or 3070ti. The only 40 series cards that are worth it are the 4080 and 4090, and both of them go above 2k USD
@@andrewz4515 you are not wrong about that I should have said a 4060 performance class of laptop
@@g4md0r32 well if you are willing to compromise I've just ordered a 3060 Legion 5 for 900$ on Amazon
The chart at 13:45 seems to be wrong. I assume you meant "FASTER" not "SLOWER" than the 3060 ?
Yes. Pinned comment with this info.
40 series cards are faster and have lower cuda cores because they have huge cache:
4060 - 32MB L2
3060 - 3MB L2
Gpus now are limited by bandwidth not by cpu raw performance.
That’s why they can even get away with lower memory bandwidth.
And cache takes so much physical space, You get less room for cuda cores.
You can even notice in CPU space with AMD 3D VCache that chips are so fast they’re just limited by bandwidth.
After review: I guess they should had kept 192-bit bus and kept 12GB VRAM like desktops.
And the clock speed of 40 series is higher too
Yeah wish the memory bus between each of the 40 series and 30 series laptops stayed the same.
@@d1kgaws12 the 4090 could have stayed desktop only, the 4080 both laptop and desktop should have had 20GB 320bit, the 4070 laptop, desktop and 4070 Ti should have had 16GB 256bit VRAM, the 4060 laptop and desktop and 4060 Ti should have had 12GB 192bit and the 4050 laptop and desktop should have/had 8GB 128bit.
thanks for the test. Looks like My Legion 5 with 3060 will stay with me for a longer while :)
The gap in performance is not great even with higher settings compared to the 20 to 30 series upgrade. Hopefully amd releases a budget gpu that actually makes a difference or else people have to buy 2500+ laptops to actually get any value.
Their renaming of gpu tiers is the clear culprit.
In reality we have here a 4050ti beating 3060...
The true generational gains are seen comparing 4090 to 3080ti, or 4080 to 3070, the true counterparts.
Hi mister Tech, could you please create a top 10 laptops for 0.5k, 1k, 1.5K and 2K and 2.5K usd?
Ah yes remember when going from a 960 -> 1060 was a significant boost in performance in the span of about 2-3 years? At the very least those who got a 3060 are probably going to enjoy that for another 3-4 generations at this rate. Hell if I had a 1060 I'd probably keep rocking that for another 2 years and get my moneys worth out of it.
I literally have a 1060 laptop. I expect CPU limitations from the i7-7700HQ to be my catalyst to replace it, honestly.
The (6GB) 1060 at launch may have been the greatest tech bargain of the 2010s. It was honest-to-goodness worth more several years into its life than at launch, and that's even ignoring how some people made a quick buck out of them through nerdbuck mining (of course this was also part of why a 1060 literally appreciated after it should have been obsolete).
Are the RTX 4060 and RTX 4070 better than the RTX 3070 Ti **WITH** frame generation? Someone please reply to me!
So in the end, The RTX 3060 Mobile (130W/140W) is still the best in terms of value. As it was in 2021 and in 2022. No need to upgrade.
I still love my Legion 5 Gen 6 and thank you again Jarrod for these videos, keep it up man.
I was planning to buy lenovo legion 5 ryzen 7 rtx 3060 but after convincing my parents to raise the budget I'm planning to buy this msi cyborg 15 rtx 4060 . What do u think which one should i buy as i need a solid gaming laptop that can run games smoothly on high graphics???
@@premdhende7827 if you're planning to play on 1080p on high or even ultra settings with 60+ fps in 2023 , and also for most future games in 2 -3 years with high settings +50 , then definitely go with rtx 3060 ( but keep in mind that get the full power as 130 or 140 w) / but if you're planning to play on 1440p on ultra settings and get +60 fps in demanding games then probably 4060 will be better as it comes with 2 gb more vram and dlss 3 , but nvidia 40 generation doesn't improve alot the only advantage that it has is support FG and nothing more , actually i won't recommend to upgrade from nvidias 30 generations to the 40 ones because the last generation is ridiculously expensive and you won't get that much performance improve ,
Short of the story if you targeting 1080p with 40 or 50 + or even 60 + on optimized games in next 2-3 years then go with 3060
If you're 2k player then go with 4060
If i want a new laptop should I save money and get 3060 or 4060 for more performance or a 3070 at the similar price
At 1440P, the 4060 should be faster, not slower than the RTX 3060. Otherwise a great comparison!
There is a possibility called reality
Makes sense. The 3060 has a 192 bit bus, while the 4060 has a 128 bit. It’s being starved of bandwidth, and higher resolutions make it more apparent.
8:25 why there is written 4060 is Slower than 3060 on top of graph ? Editing mistake
Been waiting for this
(Review axioo pongo 7 fr [some indonesian laptop brand with desktop cpu])
Why would jarrod cover an Indonesian only local brand lol
@@Troglodytes14 why not (if he can get it that is)
@@migongaming You do realize that that laptop is just basically rebranded and repainted from Clevo N960KR right ? why would he reviewed an old outdated laptop with a disappointing 11th gen Intel ?
When will we get a quite gamer notebook? Is it in the scope of the brands?
4060 laptop vs 4070 laptop next please!!!
Thanks! Many thanks! I got the very same conclusion which lead me to ASUS TUF Gaming F15 FX507ZV4 w. RTX 4060 (cca 1170 Euros).
For the general price increase the 4000 series came it really is weird how little they bring to the table. Let´s see what the 5000 series has to offer or what amd´s mobile department comes up with. 7800mobile might be interesting.
But then again.. i am afraid nvidia releases dlss4 (super double fake frame rendering) and sells the 5000 series cards of this while making it even less capable, but twice the price.
Should I go for the legion 5i pro with 3070ti 150W on sale ? Or wait for the Strix G16 rtx 4060 140W ? Considering future games will use more features like frame gen
Wait for 4060 140w tgp one.
As a 4070 Ti owner, I'd definitely get a laptop with 4060 just for Frame Generation alone.
" As a 4070 Ti owner, I'd definitely get a laptop with 4060 just for Frame Generation alone."
What? why?
@@JosephXFS I obviously meant if I needed a new laptop and had a limited budget
It's probably the much bigger cache that makes some games run way faster...