11:06 I've snap checked turned nuts before to give a reverse tell ; ). I sometimes mentally prepare myself for potential future decisions I will make to make them quickly in order to not give away timing tells. The easier fix is probably to frequently tank post flop and give no timing tells
My only problem in general with this is, it's so easy to exploit. Take your trip 9 example you overbet river with trips and block bet weak value and bluffs. So vs you I can raise so easily for thin value on riv and overfold to your overbets
I think you’re missing the point. The value-overbets are balanced with bluff-overbets and block value bets with block bluffs. For the most part there is no need or want in GTO (or in reality) to put lots of nutted hands in a block range. You can only overfold when your opponent is under-bluffing. In the 98s hand we can have plenty of bluffs. We just happened to have a value hand this time. And yes, you’re supposed to be able to value raise more thinly vs a block then vs a big bet - that’s just normal poker.
If your block betting range is very capped, can't you be exploited by a massive overbet raise? I'm not saying that it's good to block bet the nuts in practice (although against maniacs it probably is), but I would be shocked if GTO didn't add a sprinkle of nuts into the block range to discourage a large raise sizing.
Regarding 06:30 In a vacuum, overbetting with the metapopulation size is equally as bad, if not worse, than blockbetting. Outside of that, it depends on factors in the situation. Being aware of these factors is the first step, naming them the second, and valuing them in relation to their relevance is the third. The Zoom environment, where zombie hamsters are poked, gives the illusion of a vacuum. When decisions become simple and the answers derived from them are automatic, it's a good time to wonder if you're a hamster.
@@Jacobson-dp7gg Hi, thank you for your interesting and thought provoking question. I think we can say with a very high degree of confidence that improvement has occurred over 17bb swing in results over a 50k stretch, but you’re correct, 50k hands is not a credible sample for a coach to use as credentials because results during this size of stretch can vary by multiple bb/100 especially in reggy high variance games. A coach who posted 50k samples as proof of ability could simply pick one that was 4 or 5 bb better than the norm. Similarly, strong/winning players often break even or even lose over 50k samples in high variance games and so just as a 3bb winrate wouldn’t show that the coach was winning over the long run, a -3bb winrate wouldn’t show that they were losing over the long term. If the win rate was 17bb/100 or -17bb/100 that would be a different story and would be highly indicative of the coach being a winning or losing player respectively. I’d recommend checking out primedope’s variance calculator for help with understanding how variance works. It’s not a black and white thing and it’s definitely something you want to understand if you’re serious about poker. Best of luck. Pete.
On the k8s hand, dont you think we could bet 2/3pot in real life? I mean, as we know, people dont defend their check back range as a GTO would, thefore we can make a case that hand is strong enough to bet bigger. Thoughts? Id block bet something like 55 there
I’m still playing - tho not as much as I’d like! I’ve gone from heavily losing at 25NL to breaking even at 50NL, so I’m really happy with how From Losing to Cruising went. Between that and the Carrot Corner courses I have done I know that I have what I need to kick on, but it will take work & effort on my part to get there. 🍀
Just watched the first hand. Why is that a block bet? I thought a block bet was specifically designed to stop opponents value betting for a larger size, while still allowing worse hands to call, or making something look like a block sizing to induce? The AK in a 4 bet pot, is that not just a product of having very few bluffs left in your range, ergo the need to size down is automatic? Is block betting just the name of betting small on later streets?
the term seems to be used both ways by some people. i agree with your definition of block bet, i dont think a small cbet should be considered a block bet
Yeah block bet used to mean ‘a bet that stops your opponent making a bigger bet’ but these days it’s used just to describe a 10-33% pot sized bet on the turn or river.
I used to respect the editor of these videos, until they decided to leave in the SLANDER about Razz and Stud. Very disappointed. I will NOT be heading to the Carrot Corner website to take advantage of their Black Friday deals.
I've been a block betting machine lately - very powerful
Yeah such an important weapon. You’re welcome to come on to the channel and talk poker any time btw 😊
I would be down for that - send me the best way to contact you and lets set it up@@CarrotCornerPoker
Recognosion from the YT poker goat Pete. You are moving up in the world haha ❤
Peter. Please stop insulting me in your videos. It hurts my feelings. Thanks
11:06 I've snap checked turned nuts before to give a reverse tell ; ). I sometimes mentally prepare myself for potential future decisions I will make to make them quickly in order to not give away timing tells. The easier fix is probably to frequently tank post flop and give no timing tells
What pool do you play?
My only problem in general with this is, it's so easy to exploit. Take your trip 9 example you overbet river with trips and block bet weak value and bluffs. So vs you I can raise so easily for thin value on riv and overfold to your overbets
I think you’re missing the point. The value-overbets are balanced with bluff-overbets and block value bets with block bluffs. For the most part there is no need or want in GTO (or in reality) to put lots of nutted hands in a block range. You can only overfold when your opponent is under-bluffing. In the 98s hand we can have plenty of bluffs. We just happened to have a value hand this time. And yes, you’re supposed to be able to value raise more thinly vs a block then vs a big bet - that’s just normal poker.
If your block betting range is very capped, can't you be exploited by a massive overbet raise? I'm not saying that it's good to block bet the nuts in practice (although against maniacs it probably is), but I would be shocked if GTO didn't add a sprinkle of nuts into the block range to discourage a large raise sizing.
@@qtamomusic7620 Pretty sure a smaller sizing is used when you block the calling range of villain
Funny, because he answered this question at the end of the 98s hand.
@@Erictheman9do you have any evidence to substantiate this accusation?
Regarding 06:30
In a vacuum, overbetting with the metapopulation size is equally as bad, if not worse, than blockbetting. Outside of that, it depends on factors in the situation. Being aware of these factors is the first step, naming them the second, and valuing them in relation to their relevance is the third. The Zoom environment, where zombie hamsters are poked, gives the illusion of a vacuum. When decisions become simple and the answers derived from them are automatic, it's a good time to wonder if you're a hamster.
7:00 do you split your size here with 9x and 5x on the river?
Leveled up once I started watching this channel especially marks coaching. Went from -15bb to +2 over 50000 hands
Easy game. Glad to hear it 😊
@@CarrotCornerPokerbut 50k hands isn’t enough to even tell anyone your winrate in right??
@@Jacobson-dp7gg Hi, thank you for your interesting and thought provoking question. I think we can say with a very high degree of confidence that improvement has occurred over 17bb swing in results over a 50k stretch, but you’re correct, 50k hands is not a credible sample for a coach to use as credentials because results during this size of stretch can vary by multiple bb/100 especially in reggy high variance games. A coach who posted 50k samples as proof of ability could simply pick one that was 4 or 5 bb better than the norm. Similarly, strong/winning players often break even or even lose over 50k samples in high variance games and so just as a 3bb winrate wouldn’t show that the coach was winning over the long run, a -3bb winrate wouldn’t show that they were losing over the long term. If the win rate was 17bb/100 or -17bb/100 that would be a different story and would be highly indicative of the coach being a winning or losing player respectively. I’d recommend checking out primedope’s variance calculator for help with understanding how variance works. It’s not a black and white thing and it’s definitely something you want to understand if you’re serious about poker. Best of luck. Pete.
@@CarrotCornerPoker 😉
On the k8s hand, dont you think we could bet 2/3pot in real life? I mean, as we know, people dont defend their check back range as a GTO would, thefore we can make a case that hand is strong enough to bet bigger. Thoughts? Id block bet something like 55 there
What happened to Mark and Jess, I am sure you said you would turn them into winning players ?
@@Erictheman9man why u watching this video if Peter bad teacher? It is sado-mazo?
I’m still playing - tho not as much as I’d like! I’ve gone from heavily losing at 25NL to breaking even at 50NL, so I’m really happy with how From Losing to Cruising went. Between that and the Carrot Corner courses I have done I know that I have what I need to kick on, but it will take work & effort on my part to get there. 🍀
Unfortunately Mark developed a terrible drinking problem. We have filmed 20 episodes of From Losing to Boozing.
Just watched the first hand. Why is that a block bet? I thought a block bet was specifically designed to stop opponents value betting for a larger size, while still allowing worse hands to call, or making something look like a block sizing to induce?
The AK in a 4 bet pot, is that not just a product of having very few bluffs left in your range, ergo the need to size down is automatic?
Is block betting just the name of betting small on later streets?
the term seems to be used both ways by some people. i agree with your definition of block bet, i dont think a small cbet should be considered a block bet
Yeah block bet used to mean ‘a bet that stops your opponent making a bigger bet’ but these days it’s used just to describe a 10-33% pot sized bet on the turn or river.
Pete for Poker President, making block bets great again
Loved that you integrated spots were block bet is awful - love your content! Yet another great video
Thanks! Yeah I always find that if I just teach where to do X then X gets very overdone for a while.
I'm guilty of missing block on the turn. The river I'm OK with.
lol I wouldn't trust anyone who snap checked a turned straight at 11:30. no way that's a human.
I actually like stud :( I must be the only one. (And I’m under 40.)
I used to respect the editor of these videos, until they decided to leave in the SLANDER about Razz and Stud. Very disappointed. I will NOT be heading to the Carrot Corner website to take advantage of their Black Friday deals.
Deuce to Seven is fun if that helps?