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It's Time for The NASCAR Cup Championship to Move Away From Phoenix Raceway | FULL EPISODE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มี.ค. 2024
- The Full Crew is BACK in studio for Door Bumper Clear after NASCAR’s West coast swing to recap the race in Phoenix. After hearing solid criticism for short track package, the group discusses what makes Phoenix Raceway unique, and it’s not just the royal treatment for spotters. They urge fans to take Phoenix for what it is, but do wonder if the Championship race should find a home elsewhere. Are the tires to blame for drivers having a hard time passing? They then chat about Austin Dillon’s bad luck, and the consistency of cautions. The crew debates about Toyota’s dominance leading all but 14 laps of the Phoenix race, and if Toyota is the favorite headed into Bristol. Prepare to laugh in reaction theater where callers don’t hold back their feelings about saving the teams money, and don’t forget to call in and leave a message for next week’s episode: (704) 802-9572.
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I said this on Denny’s video, there was some good racing but we couldn’t see it. Gibbs’ onboard cam showed Bell chase him down which was dope and really showed the rocket he had under the hood. Now what they really need to do is make these onboard videos available on YT!
To TJ's point at 1:05:10 there was fast cars and pit stops and different strategies, Bell chasing down Gibbs, there was plenty of action but none of it was hyped or pointed out by t.v. Everyone is quick to focus on the product but sometimes it truly is the packaging
There's 2 reasons why the championship race is at Phoenix... 1) Phoenix did all those upgrades that cost so much and they need all the revenue from the championship race and that's the only way they can make it back in a timely manner. 2) the championship race is in the desert so no risk of the race being washed out for a day or 2
I think a lot of the problem is most fans think every race should be side by side with a finish like Atlanta every week. Hell I’d love to have that too. Realistically with circumstances etc it’s unrealistic.
When there’s a horrible race the blame always goes to NASCAR which I’m happy they listen and try to make changes to help.
There’s always gonna be races that are just snoozefests. Throughout the history of the sport there’s always been boring races. Just part of it.
Very well said
I hate that the championship race is at Phoenix. Its crazy to me that places like dover and pocono only get 1 race a year but phoenix gets 2 and one of them decides our champion. I like the playoffs system points wise but the whole "rounds" thing is dumb. Just make it 16 drivers and whoever has the most points at the end wins. Crowing a champion bc you happen they have a good Phoenix set up that season is silly
I commented yesterday on Phoenix and how it sucks. What I didn’t say is the should not go to Phoenix. I think the vast majority of us, just do not want to go there for our championship battle. That what sucks. You watch this race and realize that the championship battle will just be a shit show. Move the Championship NASCAR!!
There's been a huge bump in TV ratings for the first 3 races.....get ready for what will soon be known as "The Phoenix Ratings Drop." If race coverage has trouble keeping a multiple decades NASCAR fan interested, you know the newbies pulled out their phones to watch something else......Can't wait for the Championship race to get lower ratings than last year.
By far my favorite nascar podcast (after the download) listening to you guys does more to keep my interest in sport than the TV race broadcast does
One point made in the article you covered about Andretti and Penske is that one of the owners of the Juncos/Hollinger entry is also in there talking about how when he approached Penske about these concerns Roger seemed like his priority was the Indy 500. Which is great because it's the biggest race in the world, but the whole series needs attention and the rest of the races need to be promoted more. I think his point about getting off the plane when F1 is in town and it being everywhere vs IndyCar being nowhere in terms of visibility to the general public is pretty strong.
I dont think IndyCar has any stars, just like NASCAR doesn't, in that nobody is a household name to people who aren't watching. But I will say I look down the starting lineup or the championship rankings at any given point and see nothing but exciting names, a good number of which have a real shot of blowing everyone away on any given weekend and making a statement. I think because there's no playoff reset, and the season is much shorter, everything is just more intense and meaningful in IndyCar. As a racing fan that series even when they run lame street courses is far more exciting and interesting to watch. I don't look at the lineup or standings for NASCAR and get the same excitement from just the list of names.
The problem is still the integrity of those low profile tires and wheels on a 34, 00LB race car on a banked turn!
That's why NASCAR had to DUMBDOWN to 550 package! You go taller on that sidewall, you'd have a completely different series and the racing would be amazing!
Clown
I'm just recording races and fast-forward thru the race portion and watch restarts and green flag pitstops. Bada Bing have the rest of my day to waste on anything i choose afterwards. 3+ hrs cut down to 30mins
Never having to listen to the spaz bowyer priceless 😊
42:30 Andretti is spot on. Penske has done a great job of investing in the Indy 500 but that’s it. The league is currently dying a slow death.
The Indy Car race at Texas last year was a banger. Now its off the schedule. I just dont get IndyCar and why they do what they do.
I think Brett hit the hammer on the head, have the playoffs be determined by a lottery. Assign a track a number, and let a lottery determine the order of the playoff races?
I was at the race yesterday, i didnt think it was terrible, stage 1 was pretty exciting and gave me hope with ty, denny reddick and hamlin battling it out. Stage 3 ran long and became a strategy race but you definitely could pass, i watched the 20, 17, 6 and 12 make many passes moving up, from being there the fords and the toyotas were the best at passing. The track venue itself from a fan perspective is top notch, facility and infield are game changers. I think just a couple more tweets to the package phoenix could have some potential
The problem now is those experts in Italy don't want to admit they were wrong! Especially when alot of teams knew this wheel package was suspect from the gate!
In 1970 Donnie Allison won the World 600 and then 6 days later finished 4th in the Indianapolis 500 so it wasn't the same day but best finish in both events in the same year
Agree on the status of the HMS drivers. It’s great to see 5 and 24 good, but where is the help for the 9 and 48? Do they need a personnel change? More sports psych or training? I feel like they’re letting those two start falling through the cracks
Just seems like everyone in the media just counts on the 9 getting better. I don’t think that’s really gonna happen.
Last year when he came back, I thought he would be good after a few races, and I was surprised the team didn’t get better.
I don’t get it either. Same with the 88. They were decent the beginning of the year last year and then they fall off.
Help? Chase easily has all the help in the world. Bowman just sucks Chase has always been mid and it’s like people forgot how mid he was the first 3-4 years of cup. You really think they are hanging Chase out to dry? That dude easily has the most resources out of anyone in the garage🤦♂️
Too many times on Sunday, we watched the leader turn laps under no pressure, while we were forced to watch battles in the top 10 via the scoring/interval board. I mean... Blaney was moving at the end of the race, and we saw none of that.
Phoenix isn't the problem, fix the package. If you bring cow shit to the best grill and grill it, its still gonna taste like shit.
Phoenix has never been a barn burner, in it’s nearly 30 years of existence how many would you say was actually memorable? Very very few imo
The first race was in 1988. There may have been 4 good races in 36 years at that track. It just sucks
It wasn't a bad race.
Add some banks in 3/4 and this race will be great lol
As a Phoenix raceway season ticket holder. I agree that the championship would be more fun at a different track. But with that being said the race is still fun, great fan experience and deserves 2 races a year.
If it's not Phoenix going forward I would prefer having the championship race at Darlington, Homestead or Charlotte. Maybe have the championship race rotate between those 4 tracks.
What about what happened with that caution which was called red upstairs and yellow in the pits?
We definitely have to be careful as fans not to gripe on boring races too much. The constant complaining about racing or points being uneventful is what lead NASCAR to do stuff like playoff formats and phantom cautions. This wasn’t an eventful race, but it also wasn’t a gimmicky race. I’d much rather prefer this kind of race over something like the 2022 All-Star race any day
I normally watch the race replays once they come out because I don’t have time on Sundays to watch live. Normally I skip the phoenix replay and the New Hampshire replay and just watch the highlights. I legitimately fell asleep while watching the RACE HIGHLIGHTS from phoenix this weekend. We wonder why nascar popularity is on the decline and a major reason is because we have a very dull championship finale with drivers who are very PR friendly with less and less personality.
It's extremely painful to admit this but Brett is right about the fact that the championship is decided by pit stalls, therefore the championship is decided by qualifying, not the race itself.....I don't condone violence so perhaps just "accidently" dropping the transaxle of Steve Phelps foot?
I’m a week behind. Let’s talk tires at Bristol
First of all, there should not be a single race to decide the championship, they should work it down to 4 drivers, and then have 3 races to decide the championship! That said, Phoenix should never be part of who wins the championship. NASCAR has thrown BS cautions for many years.
Was at the race. Watching in person jumping between channels it was hard to keep track of who was moving up and down and with the limited passing it turned into a Congo line on longer runs. Watching the broadcast from fox it actually looked like a better product then in person watching the whole field not move except for a half dozen cars
Homestead was a decent championship track
Phoenix Cup race was boring. That does not mean terrible. Just boring.
Old Phoenix layout was way better. The road course was pretty cool too.
The reason is leaves such a bad taste in my mouth is knowing that it’s the champ race. If it had 1 date I think it’d be perfectly fine
The hate on Phoenix has gone too far! I can easily name 9 tracks that I prefer to watch less: road courses, New Hampshire, Gateway, Martinsville. Looks like there are only a handful of teams who've figured out a set up that allows them to pass, everyone else just complains. So sure let's go back to a 1.5 mile Championship track. 5 years ago everyone hated all the 1.5 miles, we've now come full circle.
Let's get Rockingham back!
Nascar could make them have the most Horsepower of all the major series. 750 would probably be more then F1 and Indy. A plus is that they will be using more fuel and tire.
Did Kraft miss the 45 moving through the field on the last run? He restarted 14th, peaked at 6th, lost his handle, and faded. The 12 restarted 15th and finished 5th. The cars that hit the setup could move.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm camp Griffin on this episode.
Brett can’t say he’s spotting for the super car guy at RCR
So as a fan.
I saw passing all day. The high line and low line both worked.
I saw the leader come from 20th to 1st in just the last stage.
I saw 5 wide restarts.
I saw side by side racing.
I saw tire wear, Ty Gibbs was crazy fast if the shoet run and fell off
I saw guys spinning I thier own
Honestly, I've been watching for 30+ years this is Nascar, what the fuck do you want? A wreckfest? Phantom cautions?
Go watch a race for anytime in the 2000s go watch single file racing
Honestly there's no making some people happy.... It's just stupidity at this point.
Watching Bell cross the finish then P2 5.5 seconds later is completely bogus. Nascar has done absolutely nothing to improve these short track packages. We need MORE HORSEPOWER to make these races worth watching. Its a great track 5 wide restarts, tire fall off, pit strategy etc. We need a better race package at these type tracks its plain for all to see. DO better NASCAR
Chandler Smith was not Checked out… Justin Allgaier was….
It’s not the track. If you can go five wide, and you race single file. Truex proved the issue, hypermiling and not racing to save gas is what’s killing things. If everyone is conserving all the way to the flag, no one’s racing. That’s how Truex passed the leaders and almost caught up again. He want conserving anymore. So if everyone’s conserving, that’s the issue
I just wish every driver wasn’t making the same lap times. I always like comers and goers and if you have a good car and also can maintain your tires you’ll do good.
I liked the race. But I also love complaining to my friends. Lose lose situation lol.
I don't think nascar wants to give up a championship track that gives such a good money shot picture in turn 4
Hahaha
why does everyone say Alex Bowman he almost won the Daytona 500, some say he did.
Phoenix facilities and weather are fantastic. Rip that pavement up, get with iracing and design an interesting track.
Take the championship race away from Phoenix!!!
Three things I would change as czar: go back to the cars looking more like the street cars they represent, eliminate stages, and go back to the original 10 race chase format!!!!!
I just want passing.
Crazy thought would it be possible to get a couple championships spotters in the room?
What does being a champion have to do with anything? Will that add anything to the conversation? These guys have been in the sport long enough to understand how it works. As much as tj is kind of an idiot he still has been doing this for years. This is more about 3 friends talking about racing not so much about spotting🤦♂️
Tj, brighten up playa
Groove em tires boys
Thought it was better than Vegas, where the 5 dominated every stage. The people that are saying it was boring most likely don't follow the strategy of each driver strategy is one of the key factors in these races.
I think they go a long way to fixing things across the series by going back to a five lug tire with a higher profile tire. The tire is the issue.
You cannot do five lug nuts with 18 in aluminum wheels on a race car How do you not understand that and NASCAR Even tried in testing
It was a nodder.. Restarts aside, the rest was a snoozer. And partial blame goes to the broadcast crew. We need someone in there that has some spark. There needs to be a Jr. type. DW, Michael, someone with energy. Phoenix race just seems so watered down.
Feddie is spot on
SVG runs 6th at phoenix coz he bides his time, saves his tires and lets people wreck until it’s the last restart, then he gets aggressive and passes a bunch of cars on the way to the finish line.
Make the Gen6 great again!! I don't see why Nascar couldn't just make improvements to make it better than going with the current car
Clown
🤡 did u even watch nascar from 2013-2021
Many athletes aren't the same after an injury.
As a Los Angelino, I would be down to rebuild LA, but it would just make it more expensive to live here. Love DBR, this race was good. stop complaining so much
Chase is good at road courses, but hasn't won one in the gen 7. He should have at least 1 maybe 2 wins but still sits at 0
The 42 car might be cursed
Should have never left homestead
I think the reason we hate it is cause it's the championship race. It makes what is supposed to be games 7 for nascar but is a snooze fest. I'd say switch Vegas with Phoenix. Vegas has had a good history in the playoff race and is still warm weather.
The cars being so equal seems to be putting the talent of each driver's ability to drive a race car way more on display and important!!
It's not just that the tires don't give up enough speed, it's that the car aero doesn't let them pass unless you're more than 1.0/lap quicker.
They screwed Phoenix after 2011. It went from being an almost short track with a short track vibe to a straight up intermediate, like we don't already have 30 intermediates on the schedule. Boo
Nascar and Fox over promoted the new package, which made most fans expect more. More Horsepower and Tire fall off .
Championship race should be at darlington. Or the comeback of the rock. Rockingham.
You don't get as nice of weather in Darlington as you do in Phoenix or homestead in November plus The Southern 500 would have to go bye-bye from Labor Day weekend
I’m sorry but Phoenix has been a joke for a long time. This car isn’t designed for a flat track. It’s too damn good. The only way to make the short/ flat track package better is make the tires narrower and reduce the braking power. Guess what there goes handling with out having to play with the engine cause one manufacturer doesn’t want more power.
This track is the worst damn track on the circuit. It needs one date and not be a championship race. It was perfect that the race was on time change weekend. Fans got to catch up on the hour sleep lost.
The 5 worst tracks are
1) Phoenix
2) Pocono
3)Richmond
4) New Hampshire
5)Dover
Fix the car. Narrow up the tires and with a softer compound. Get rid of that dumbass diffuser.
Pocono is way better with this car the other four I see ur point
Pocono is somewhat better, but cars still get spread out and single file. The restarts are awesome with the wide frontstretch and they do stay close for a couple of laps now but the racing is lackluster. You're right it has gotten better a bit, but still missing that one x-factor.
😢😢😢Worst race of the year, EVERY YEAR; why oh why do we do it twice??????😅😅😅😅
I guess some people have a good opinion short tracks are killing t.v. time take a break until Talladega or Texas or even the next race in Austin. It's an intermediate and superspeedway series with less road course races and no street course put the Bush Shootout back in Daytona no more statuims and short tracks that's my point. And if NASCAR can't do that then there will be a new president coming to fix some things that are a little bit wrong with them. The Gen7 car is still good they just need to drivers stop acting like idiots when the final laps count. Return clean racing and specitcle finishes like 2022.😮
They destroyed the racing with the reconfiguration of the track. That cutting the dog leg crap is ridiculous. It use to be a great race, but not anymore.
She just wants to see endless drafting 3-5 wide. She just doesn't know which words to use! This "passing" is BS! If you want passing go out here on 465!
Easy, lift engine restrictions
Its was a good race...hamlin and lagano wrecked it was perfect.... and i was laying on the bed watching. for 3 1/2 hrs.... i gave it a C+ 79/100 average normal race. no race control manipulation no someone wrecking some one on purpose no pack racing the whole time. not alot of driver or nascar drama. the camera control broadcasting was better... not great but better. cautions played with the strategies but wern't trigger happy for once.... a normal short track sunny afternoon race. it was just race #4 to me.. NEXT
I didnt thank it was bad
Me either, I thought it was terrible.
We need 900 horsepower back and alot of these snoozers will change. No more championship weekend there either.
Hahaha
Legacy motor club sucked, not Noah! The 7 time champion can't even make their cars go fast 😂
The Phoenix race was good. I seen a lot of passing and side by side racing. It's not gonna be a best race at every track Everytime. And this Phoenix race was better than past. These two clowns in hats are more of a problem for the sport with their social media NASCAR bashing
is TJ expecting rain in the studio?? lol
Horsepower is not going to help nascar dinosaur cars
The problem with Phoenix is that the track was better when the start finish was on the straightaway
Phoenix is a horrible track for next Gen cars. It's absolutely a, start the race, take a nap, wake up with 20 to go
It’s not the track the car sucks, y’all beat around the bush for ever but never said it, the car sucks, 3&4 wide what more do you want, need more power. Y’all said it multiple times you start 20th and you run 20th what’s that tell you, all cars are equal, Denny explains bad ass on his pcast.
F- race was boring and fox had nothing to talk about short track package is trash
Such a huge fan of Scotty, can't even pronounce his name properly. 🙄
They just need to rename this from racing to follow the leader
So because Phoenix sucks we shouldn’t complain for it to be better because it always sucks. What a dumb argument.
There is no excuse for a a package that make so hard to pass on a 2 lane banked oval. Fix the damn car.
thsee can't pass issues... might just have to start useing the bumper again.... and move guys up the hill
Why you'll talking about indycar? It's you show and you can talk about whatever you want but I just want nascar. Keep it up and stacking pennies sounds better to me
The most boring driver won the most boring race. I think Chris Bell was created by AI.
Chris Bell is one of the few drivers that made a name for himself without relying on the legacy or money of his family. How is that not refreshing or exciting?
@@kevinlittrell3407 he’s just milk-toast. There’s nothing intriguing about him.
@@Commentleaver-c6x I guess I care more about a driver’s on track potential rather than some fake gimmicky persona they carry before and after a race
@@kevinlittrell3407 nascar was better back when it had drivers with personalities, that’s all. Dale Jr hasn’t been in nascar for 7 years and he’s still the only recognizable person associated with it. 99% of the general public couldn’t pick Ryan Blaney out of a lineup, and he’s the champion.
@@Commentleaver-c6xThere are personalities in NASCAR, they’re just not faces you grew up with. That’s the difference. Plain and simple.
As for Blaney not being as big as Jr, NASCAR just isn’t a household sport these days. It hasn’t been one for most of its existence and the late 90’s and early 00’s was a special exception.
I will NEVER respect a show like this. Gaslighting the fans, who PAY YOUR SALARIES. (Sponsors aren’t there if fans don’t show up). Grow a set a call nascar out for forcing this crap car
80% of NASCAR races are snooze fests..
Wow you guys are terrible.