I felt the same way in 1978 when pictures of PSA flight 182 on fire about to crash in San Diego were on the front page. And eight years when Aeromexico flight 498 plunged to the ground after a mid air collision, that picture was also on the front pages. It leaves a sick feeling.
Similar to the National Airlines 747 cargo plane that crashed after takeoff in Afghanistan. That was a really tough watch too because, like this one, you knew they were doomed and you were about to witness the last few seconds of someone's life.
Thanks for putting faces and names to some of the passengers and crew of this flight. It makes it more heartbreaking to contemplate, but it’s good to be reminded that everyone has a story. May they all rest in peace.
I recall some other flight crash investigation channels did that too, like Allec Joshua Ibay, but some of them including him stopped doing it for some reason. It helps to humanize the people on the flight instead of just seeing them as a statistic in these crashes.
There were two children in that flight too: a little girl who was with his father. They were going to celebrate Father's day together and a little boy from Venezuela called Joslan, He was in the plane with his mother and grandma and a six month old female dog called Luna. They were going to return to Venezuela Theres even a video of the two children playing before boarding the plane I don't think it could get more heartbreaking than this 😭 Rest in peace all 62 people and Luna
Eu tô chorando até hoje por essas duas crianças... Tenho um filho de 4 anos e morei por 10 anos em Cascavel, morando hj perto ainda de lá.... Conheço algumas pessoas e não tem como não parar de chorar ao lembrar, pelo menos por agora... Está difícil.... Que o Criador os tenha por perto 😢
Rest in peace🙏🙏🙏 Please Dear Lord give confort to the mourning families. I feel very sad for the passangers😭 the little ones with their dad or mother. There was also the grandmother of the little boy. I cant imagine how much they will be missed. 😢😢
It may be small comfort, but fwiw, I had an NDE (near death experience) at 19 and was greeted by my great-grandfather and an old family dog who had both died several years before. They both looked young again and were so happy to see me. Since then, I believe we'll all see our beloved again. But, yes - the missing is profound. Rest in paradise, to everyone on board. May extra angels of the be with the survivors. Paz e luz ✨️🙏
Deus guarde a todos nós de agora em diante vamos pedir a Deus proteção; ainda que o adversário se levante. 🙏🏼 Agradeço por todos. O Brasil também ama a todos vocês do Paquistão. 🫂😭
I'm actually from Cascavel-PR (Brazil) and this was a huge tragedy. A lot of young people just casually living their happy lives died in this tragic accident. A friend of mine actually lost his mother in this accident and another one lost his 31yr sister. May all those souls rest in well-deserved peace, and may God have mercy on them.
@Lou-s5h I don't want a fight or anything like that, but we have a good level of perception of the tragedy, it was broadcast on national television and, besides, he is from the city where the PLANE left, I believe the local newspaper showed the Maximum information about the incident.
So sad, tragic & unfortunate. Why did the de-icing mechanism not get deployed or, not work? Truly a death spiral. Terrifying for just everyone on board.
I believe 3 people missed that flight, one of them was present at the airport and was later interviewed and broke down in tears. He hugged (off camera) the employee who didn't let him board. This is such a tragedy, and seeing these videos of the actual crash is horrific knowing how desperate those poor should must've left during those long minutes. You have portrayed this with great respect, and in a very informative manner. Thanks
This kind of tragedy proves again and again that we take life for granted thinking these kind of thing happens to others. We don't have any guarantee how and when we will die. Let all of us thank God we are alive to see today and perhaps tomorrow too. Our life is just a moment in space ✨.
@@1NightInParisOfficial Most who subscribe to and faithfully watching the videos on this channel, including myself, prefer the text over voice narration. Every now and then the creator does a voice narrated video.
Some people missed the tragic flight on Friday. A man who missed the flight told Brazilian news outlet Globo that at least 10 people were waiting at the wrong gate causing them to miss the flight.
Esses foram sortudos e nasceram novamente. Os outros, não tiveram tanta sorte. Infelizmente. Those ones were Lucky. They were born again. The others didn't have as much luck, unfortunately.😢
Eles esperaram para fazer check in no balcão errado, devido ao acordo de codeshare entre a Voepass e Latam. Perderam o prazo máximo e foram impedidos de embarcar. Um número relativamente grande de pessoas não embarcou nesse voo devido a atrasos e outras situações peculiares.
Putting this up just two days after the crash is impressive, and it's one of the best videos I've seen from you! All of the descriptions and explanations of the plane's movement were super helpful. I've been watching for years and love your content.
I couldnt agree more....i was just wondering what had happened and was about to do a google search of the aftermath. While the results of this video arent conclusive...it gives you a pretty good idea of exactly what happened. Thanks for posting so quickly
@@JK-g62 This is all just speculation at this point, it's still likely the cause, but still speculation. Plus, the video hints on many different occasions that it was heavily effected by pilot error, which is completely unfair to say at such an early stage, especially for the family and friends of the pilot.
R.I.P - I have a good friend from Sao Paolo who's aunt and uncle were on this flight. Heartbreaking and tragic. My friend's mother, and the sister of these two killed in the plane crash, had just lost her husband two weeks prior.
The ATR-42 and ATR-72 simply cannot be flown in icing conditions. How many crashes have to happen in exactly the same weather conditions before the aircraft is permanently grounded?
They fly in icing conditions. Atr fly in alaska and finland, for example. Thats not a problem. There's not just one cause for this accident. Let's wait for investigation.
Quick, yes, but very weird that the CG recreation did not show us the flat spin seen in the real-life video. Also the thumbnail shows the ATR inverted just before crashing, which is inaccurate. The whole thing seems click-baity.
@@SplashJohntbf, this guy has been posting essentially reposts for months, so i’m just happy to get something new that i haven’t watched or heard about yet
I live 20 minutes from the airport where this plane left. Whenever I can, I go to Cascavel airport to watch landings and takeoffs. On Friday (08/09), around 1:49 p.m., at the end of the lunch news, the presenter said: "now a breaking new! A plane that left Cascavel has just crashed in a residential neighborhood of Vinhedo/SP". Because I'm an aviation enthusiast, as soon as I saw the video on TV, I recognized that it was an ATR-72. At this moment I was taken by a despair, I started to cry and I felt a panic that I had never felt before, because I soon imagined that something around 50 to 60 people could have died. I was even more desperate when I thought I could have friends, neighbors or customers on board this plane. I cried like a child for a few minutes until I had new information. This last Sunday (11/08), I went again to Cascavel airport, but this time I felt something totally different. I went through the same paths, through the same doors, I saw the same things that these poor people saw in their last moments of life. I was there, right there where I saw the live TV links bringing the news about the accident. I reflected that just over 48 hours ago all these victims were there in the same place, all alive and physically intact. I will continue to be passionate about airplanes and I will continue going to go to Cascavel airport, but I think I will always have this strange feeling, because I will always remember that all these 62 stories, including little Liz (3 yo), little Joslan (4 yo) and her puppy Luna (6 months) had their last moments there between those walls and doors of the passenger terminal. May all these people rest in peace. Thank you.
@@edensgatebr Que texto impactante. Eu não tinha parado pra pensar nisso, mas esse foi o último lugar por qual eles passaram. Fico feliz que vc tenha lembrado das crianças e da pequena luna. Uma tragédia tudo isso.
Just a piece of advice for you, during a spin you say that only one wing is stalled. This is incorrect, both wings are actually in a stalled condition however, one wing is more stalled than the other which determines the direction of the autorotation/spin!
Yes, very respectful to recreate a crash that killed scores of people before the bodies have even been buried. It is a testament to his dedication to accuracy that he waited until the preliminary crash report came out so he could accurately cover it. Bravo indeed.
Much respect to the FlightChannel for humanizing this accident while NOT speculating on causes. Just reporting the facts. Prayers and condolences go out to the families of the deceased, and to the man who missed the flight. I'm sure he is haunted by survivor's guilt about now.
At that moment the pilot did not know that ice had formed. I am Brazilian and this was in all the newspapers, it was an unforgettable scene. Thank you for demonstrating this.
Manufacture for the ATR states it can handle severe icing, clearly something happened where something malfunctioned. Personally I think the manufacturer of the ATR is full of shit! A plane from my area crashed in the 90s from icing and they changed a few things like the icing boots and geographic location of where the plane can fly, but up in the skies it will always be freezing. So idk what they thought they were doing.
I couldn’t even imagine going through that. Even if death comes instantly and painlessly, that has to easily be the most terrifying thing someone can go through. R.I.P to the 62 who tragically lost their lives that day.
Airplanes are actually the most unsafe form of traffic transportation device. You know why? Because it is remotely controllable.. is there someone on board that someone high ranked wants to see dead? They can just take over Control,let it crash and fake wats on the blackbox and we'll never know. Stay on the ground. Thats how we made. If we were meant to fly, then we could without this unsecure metal bird.
@AirbusA380_Jr Not all passengers died instantly, there was one passenger who survived the crash and died 3 minutes after the impact (words from the residents where the aircraft crashed).
It was actually 10 people who lost the flight They bought tickets with LATAM and they were supposed to make a conection with VoePass, but they didn't know that so they were waiting on LATAM's check-in, but LATAM's was closed That one guy is the one who bothered to ask in VoePass check-in on why LATAM's one was closed and that's how he found out the mistake, but the employee wouldn't let him in because the airplane was already closed, he then rudely argued with the VoePass employee He was later interviewed by local TV in tears trying to find the employee and thank him for not letting him in
Almost every flight has its share of passengers missing embarkation, then whenever a disaster happens, these absent passengers that escaped by pure chance become notorious, and even religious in a few cases.
And if they *had* gotten on the plane, the crash may never have happened. Think about that for a moment and consider the impact it has on these people.
@@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Or maybe the plane, being heavier from having more passengers, might have stalled sooner and ended up landing in a different location that might have resulted in additional casualties on the ground.
It’s horrific to consider that everyone on board likely had time to know the end was coming. This video was interesting and I appreciate understanding what likely happened. God bless all the victims families.
I am Brazilian! and listen to the stories of the people who died in this disaster is devastating. A lot younger people with dreams that will never come true. I pray for the families find strength in the memories of their loved ones. Life is too short! we never know when is our last breath. Let people around you know you love them! 😢
While flying is a very safe form of transportation I will never fly on this airframe, I have seen far too many accidents involved with it. I'm glad that this model of plane having a poor safety record was touched on in the opening segment of this video, and I recommend you do your own research into the many accidents that have occurred, many of them also documented on video.
Blimey. This guy can’t win. Read masses of comments moaning about re uploads of older crashes. Now he’s being moaned at for loading one that’s too new…..!
Strange people, aren't they? They remind me of the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew 11:16-17 “But to what will I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to one another, We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we wailed, and you did not mourn.’ (I'm an atheist, by the way, but I think the Bible is quite an interesting book).
Until now, I was upset with TFC by just re-uploading old stuff... Man, I'd love to know air tragedies are a thing of the past and all published stuff is just old news. What a pity! 😢
Well, that's the majority of humans, serial complainers. Can't please 100% of humans. So I would never try. On the other hand, I send my condolences to the families of the victims of this tragic incident. I am extremely curious about what could have caused this? Watching a few aviation channels (for a while now), experts, pilots, engineers, etc, say that these aerodynamic stalls can recover. Why didn't it happen in this case. I will definitely follow this investigation. So sad.😢
@@caydenph2741If not yet deemed fully accurate, it was informative nonetheless. And it did state another video will be prepared upon the conclusion of the investigation.
Well, anybody that was complaining about the re-uploads myself included owes you an apology. Whoever put this video together has earned every single subscriber here. Well done you’ll never get a single bit of criticism from me again nice work.
I think it he did many reuploads because there weren't any recent big crashes to cover. Or some of his older videos were taken down, I don't know it's just my theory. But I'm happy he uploads again :)
@SomeRandomGuy203__w I don't understand people who complain to content providers about such things, anyway. It is a lot of work to create good videos like these. Respect.
I am Brazilian. It broke me in pierces this air crash... I can't even imagine hearing the last conversation of the Black Box... 2 children (of 3 and 5 years old) were onboard... 10 people lost this flight! Rip...
It was the first fatal crash for VoePass (renamed after Passaredo Airlines) after almost 30 years of service. We brazilians are in shock for what happened. May they rest in peace.
I live 20 minutes away from Vinhedo. A beautiful town and affluent. I was there a couple of weeks ago with my daughter. It is a sad situation for all, especially the families. God bless you all🙏
Never seen such an informative & factual aircrash investigation video before. This video is a "lecture-type" level for aviation students. Thank you @TheFlightChannel 🔥🔥🔥
Those souls returned to their real home encompassed by the love and mercy of God. I’m positive their initial suffering was relieved by the loved ones waiting for them on the other side. It’s shocking for their families here. May they find comfort and support.
I'm pretty sure when that flat spin happened, the passengers have already G-LOCd (G-force induced Loss Of Conciousness) during the spin. A fatal way to go unfortunately.
Thats what makes this soo horrific...this has to be the most frighten type of crash. I all the way in Jamaica and extremely saddened by this.Being an avid follower of Air Investigations and Diisasters this ranks as one of the worst Ive seen.
What a terrible disaster. 62 innocent people lost their lives, their families are suffering and lots of people will lose their jobs and many other bad things. Life is beautiful but sometimes the human condition is difficult to understand.
@@PedroEsteban I’m missing all those lives even if I don’t know them. I told Woody.EXE of the plane crash on Saturday and he paid a really emotional tribute to them all. Woody.EXE is the best monarch after King Charles
Yes I love when a channel covers a crash before the bodies are buried. Shows how well they researched the official reports on the cause of the crash 👏🏻
@@cremebrulee4759 You seemingly did not watch the video. It acknowledged that there is only a small tidbit to speculate off of and that a more informational video will be released later on when the investigation concludes. Instead the video mostly delves into the aviation physics involved in a flat spin and was educational on the matter. It's an absolute shame it's under such tragic circumstances, but perhaps the aviation community will be able to recognize what went wrong so that future loss can be prevented.
I always watch this channel and I never thought my city would be in those videos someday. I knew a couple and a doctor who were on that flight. May they rest in peace.
I'm Brazilian and I live in the flight's original destination (Sao Paulo). An important information about this tragedy is that there was a cold front right where the plane was flying. This reinforces the ice formation on the wings hypothesis, because the plane came from a cold dry area and entered a hot humid area. This speculation must be corroborated or disproved by the ongoing investigation, of course, which is the only thing to clarify what really happened. Remember another famous accident from my country, the AF447 flight, which disappeared over the equatorial atlantic ocean in 2009: the black box was found only 2 years after, it consumed lots of money to be rescued, but was crucial to understand what caused the accident.
@@watchmen617, ice formation on the wings seems to be the most plausible by now. Only the investigation is going to provide evidence to indicate the correct cause, though.
@@watchmen617 Almost certainly ice build up on the wings, leading to stall, spin entry, developing into a flat spin. The ATR is known for its poor tolerance of icing. Several US operators ceased using the type on their more northerly routes after the crash of American Eagle flight 4184 at Roselawn where icing was a contributory factor. The flight crew needed to descend out of the icing altitudes into warmer air below 12,000 feet before the situation became critical.
Seeing that footage of a plane just dropping down like that just haunts me to the core, and also seeing a body of what appears to be one of the pilots is the stuff of nightmares, condolences to all of their families
Sou brasileiro, e a caixa preta disse De mas potencia aos motores copiloto, e caso vc n saiba a maioria foram encontrados em posição de emergencia, os tripulantes tentaram mais Caiu com o stall então 😢 não a nada que eles podiam fazer alem de tentar e tentar , e o condomínio que ele caiu disse que o piloto poderia ter batido em 3 casas mais ele Virou e tocou o chão na diagonal e eles conseguiram retomar o controle da aeronave pelas testemunhas , elas disseram que ele passou por cima de um muro batendo nas arvores mesmo
Gosh I. What a horribly tragic loss. Perhaps it's compounded by the fact that it's so recent. The captain, flight attendant, and doctors had so so much life left. All on board contributed so greatly to humanity in even the smallest ways, even if it wasn't readily apparent. There will now forever be a void in the hearts of humanity. I can't imagine what immense grief their families are going through. I hope it can be discovered what happened leading up to Flight 2283, for their families' closure, for preventing future loss and to put these poor souls to rest.
From what I understand they do not fly them in the northern US due to ice concerns though there are a few in service in Canada. As we all know thanks to previous airliner accidents, many companies choose profit over safety and this crash may be the latest example.
It's probably not fair to say "horrible track record" but the ATR-72 is subject to poor operation in icing conditions and due to its Turbo Prop engines (not jet turbine) it's lower ceiling of about 17-20,000 limitation puts it's operation in the "severe icing zone" by definition. Larger jet aircraft fly well above this at 30,000' + avoiding the danger. These ATRs are used more heavily in poorer and geographically larger counties that need short hop / haul low cost transport - this is somewhat unavoidable as the ATR fits the largest # of passengers at 72, in the most cost effective manner. In normal non-icing weather it's safety record is comparable to similar aircraft. It's too bad but unavoidable, as these smaller local airports can't handle the larger Jets but can the ATR-72.
Thank you for spelling out some of the technical details of this accident so quickly after it occurred and for the message honoring the lives lost. Although tragic and heartbreaking, this was an excellent video. Thank you for creating engaging and informative content for all of us to consume!
It's impressive that TFC put this together so fast. And did a great job discussing what happens in a stall and spin. My understanding of a flat spin recovery is counterintuitive to most pilots in that you have to push down making into a descending spin gaining speed and then recover. Going into it and down takes skill and altitude, otherwise very bad things like here happen. Stunt pilots will tell you the same thing.....
It was just reported in the newspaper that another plane crashed here and killed five people. This year, Brazil is not a good place to travel by plane ☹️
I love this channel because it takes the time to investigate the story of the people involved. It brings a whole new layer to my understanding of just how tragic and heartbreaking this is and allows me to empathize better with the families of the unfortunate passengers (RIP). This channel goes beyond informing you of an event, it strives to make you a better human. Thank you so much for that, TheFlightChannel
I am a brazilian, thanks for making this informative video! I am really sad since most people who don't really know much about aviation won't trust turboprop planes and maybe planes in general. I am also pretty sure VoePass airlines will lose its reputation and probably go bankrupt sometime. R.I.P to the 62 souls in that plane...
From the comments I've been seeing in videos about ATR even before the crash, looks like it's been a heavily discredited aircraft in the country. People say that, due to its sound, and heavy turbulences, it doesn't inspire confidence. I also don't know if VoePass will be able to recover from this, sadly. The oldest airline in activity in Brazil, it was one of the few which had never suffered any accidents. Due to financial difficulties, ceased its operations from 2002 to 2004, and filed for bankruptcy judicial protection from 2012 to 2017. Still, managed to be regarded as the safest Brazilian airline in 2014, along with Avianca Brasil (the latter having already gone into bankruptcy during the pandemic).
Many big airlines company had accidents in past, no reputation had lost, it accident it can happen with airplane in the sky, weather or mechanic failure. Dont be so nasty, all airline companies care for their customers.
An incredibly powerful and sobering look at the tragic Voepass Flight 2283 crash. Your detailed analysis and real footage bring home the critical importance of safety in aviation. Thanks for shedding light on this heartbreaking event.❤
0:27 it's São Paulo from Saint Paul; a family from Venezuela was in the flight; CENIPA is working to release a Preliminary Report in about 30 days, the flight recorder was recovered and his data was recovered with success! A sad acident near Father's Day here in Brazil
@@WALTERBROADDUS here on Brazil Father's Day is on different day prior to be comercial date, but the first Father's Day was celebrated on Saint Joachim day (Father of Virgin Mary) August 16 1953, then later celebrated in every second Sunday of August
F@ck... I never commented or expressed out loud my disappointment of re-uploads in recent times, but a fresh accident that too a fatal one is definitely not what I had in mind... it was always automatically implied for a video on a past incident. RIP to all 62 people and praying for strength for their families.
My girlfriend was coming to my city with the same company and at the same time. I received news that a plane from this company had crashed while I was heading to the airport meet her. My heart almost came out of my mouth. I'm glad it wasn't her flight, but it's still so sad that all these people lost their lives.
This could be a key info then because if the pilots knew their speed gauge was wrong, they could not have known a true low speed to act quickly. The airlines and maintenance had a role then.
@@sred5856 it was later revealed that the graph shows Ground Speed. FlightRadar24 later released another graph with the True Airspeed, which looks much more stable, just decreasing slowly until the plane suddenly starts to lose altitude
He has to look at the thing from two perspectives if he wants to think seriously: 1. His fate was to live, since he missed the flight. 2. The fate of all those who boarded to plane was to die. If he thinks seriously aboutb that, he'll become like you: a disbeliever in fate, and he'll start thinking in terms of law of probabilities. People who believe in miracles will have to do the same thing, and if they have half a functioning brain they will stop believing in miracles.
the fact that i've flown with this spesific aircraft with the same name "Pelita Air" here in Indonesia. RIP to those who perished, sending my thought and prayers to the families all the way from Indonesia.
I lived in Cascavel, from where the ATR departured. One time I flew with ATR-72 but from Azul Airlines, from Curitiba from Florianópolis, about 350km, a short fly, but I didn't the experience on board the ATR. It looks like so vulnerable 😢 Sad for everyone!
Wow, that one guy who was probably fuming and cursing at the airport worker who would not let him on for being late. He probably hated him. How much does he love him now? The terror and hope turned terror those poor people must have endured makes me emotional just thinking about it. RIP to all of them.
Of all the videos on this channel, this has got to be the most comprehensive and detailed of them all, even when we don't have the results from the investigation. Congrats...great video.
When I saw the news, I was afraid because it's the same type of aircraft I was to board the following day in my country, I kept rejecting that evil thought in my mind that nothing will happen to our own aircraft, I cannot imagine terrific situation those passengers felt while stalling and spinning. So sad. May their souls rest in peace. Amen.
as a professional non-pilot, i always respected pilots and you guys are still the coolest mofos out there. thanks for getting me home safe so many times
@@andi6288 I tried to sleep on my flight but the turbulence wasn’t great. The pilots were incredible though, then i survived an 9/11 attempt that Woody almost committed but luckily me, my sister, Come and See (1985), United 93 (2006) and Mummy suddenly became heroes that day and we saved well over 2,000+ lives. The experience was literally terrifying
Those poor people had all kinds of time to be terrified out of their minds! So horrible! If it was ice buildup, it would seem they never stood a chance. Will look forward to a final report on this tragedy. RIP 62 souls
Wait, I thought this channel had been sold to someone just milking it with hundreds of reuploads but this amazing quality new video just drops? Confusing, but this is really good. Especially the spin explanation that is very well made
@@1compaqedr8 The owner did not even liked the comments (giving a heart) and was completely silent 😂 and not saying anything, making us very suspicious. I wonder what happened at that time actually ? No clarification
How is it confusing when he spent a large part of the video summarizing airplanes entering/in a spin? Furthermore, he stated “flat spin” 3 times in text narration right before showing the actual video of the plane *_in_* a flat spin twice. Once shown normal speed w/ sound & once in slow motion. Im only confused on how you’re confused.
@@OVRxNxOUT an then proceeded to show repeated times a normal spin on the simulator, not being coherent with what is being stated. How can you not understand the disconnection here? Do you lack neurons?
I love how many are complaining that the video is too premature. Yet, you knew what the video was about, clicked, and continued to watch. Humans, Lol. 😂😂😂🤦🏽♀️
Umm… even the channel acknowledges that another video will have to be made when more information comes out… Why can’t the viewers also come to that same determination? 🧐
Hello from Australia. Terrible tragedy. Thank you for showing a possible reason for the accident. It really humanises the whole thing when you see the AI passengers boarding the plane. I pray for the souls of the lives lost, for their families, for the neighbours and couple whose home was hit, and for the first responders. So sad.
What a tragic story, wow, what a stroke of luck for that would be passenger from getting on the plane, he avoided death by a inch. RIP to all passengers and crew. In the social media age these things are becoming more and more common to be filmed. This is a well done video. You paid respects without speculating on the causes of the crash.
RIP to all passengers particularly young doctors flying for the seminar. I had a feeling Brazil was trending in internal groups for some reason before this happened. Heavens know better.
If there was a SIGMET saying "severe icing between 12,000 and 21,000", then the pilots should have been aware that this type of plane is susceptible to that, and have taken steps to avoid it. I would be surprised if other pilots who fly this type do not notice of such SIGMETs. For their flights, nothing untoward takes place.
Remember no passenger aircraft is certified to fly in Severe icing. Unfortunately the ATR just doesn't have the power to fly above the weather, it struggles to go higher than 19000 but it does have lots of ice protection systems to make it as safe as possible
@@oldcynic6964 The head of Cenipa, air brigadier Marcelo Moreno, said this Sunday (11) that there was no emergency declaration to air traffic control bodies. The statement contradicts a trend that formed on social media that the flight commander asked to land at an airport on the way between Cascavel and Guarulhos and did not receive authorization...
@@ciaash3391Alaska 261 crashed due to out-of-control horizontal stabilizer stuck at full nose down. This was caused by a failed (stripped) jackscrew which had not been properly lubricated. Nothing to do with ice, spin, or stall.
The ATR-72 was also involved in the Nepal crash in 2023 and Taiwan in 2015, in both cases the pilot(or co-pilot) feathered the props resulting in no thrust.
And you didn't mention the plethora of icing fatal hull losses it had, notably with American Eagle and Cubana. Yeah, I think if I'm an airline I'm definitely choosing the Dash 8 Q400 with its very clean safety record and reliability in all weather conditions. Looks sleek and fun to ride in too.
The ATR-72 has always had a bad track record as far as icing. They are saying this is Brazil's wintertime, when icing is more common. The anti ice system on this plane has always been inadequate. It should have been upgraded years ago. This plane should be decommissioned so people don't have to die from its poor design. RIP to all the souls lost to this aircraft.
I don't think it's too soon. This crash has been on my mind the past few days, and any info is appreciated. I hope we can find out more soon. Rather than incompetence, it sounds like it was almost unavoidable 😢
Right, the official report definitely pointed toward just a series of unfortunate events instead of typical pilot error. Oh wait, it didn’t. Because it hasn’t been released yet. The bodies haven’t been buried. The shark has been jumped, no surprise considering this channel turned from informative to “collect the bread” several years ago.
@@qwerty112311wow, another boring nobody who can always "do it better" while sitting on their 🫏 doing nothing except being a miserable downer in the TH-cam comment sections. 🥱
@@qwerty112311People do whatever needed for clicks over such a tragedy. Pathetic behavior of this former good channel shame on you flight Channel! Official preliminary report due in only 25 days !!
The footage of the plane falling from the sky is hard to watch because you’re witnessing 62 lives coming to an end…. RIP to all.
Drive safe.
I felt the same way in 1978 when pictures of PSA flight 182 on fire about to crash in San Diego were on the front page. And eight years when Aeromexico flight 498 plunged to the ground after a mid air collision, that picture was also on the front pages. It leaves a sick feeling.
A crew member sent to her husband a text message saying that she loved him on the moment of the disaster while the plane was falling.
@@alexedelweiss3267 That has happened before. Must be awfully hard hearing your loved one's voice or seeing their words for the very last time.
Similar to the National Airlines 747 cargo plane that crashed after takeoff in Afghanistan. That was a really tough watch too because, like this one, you knew they were doomed and you were about to witness the last few seconds of someone's life.
Thanks for putting faces and names to some of the passengers and crew of this flight. It makes it more heartbreaking to contemplate, but it’s good to be reminded that everyone has a story. May they all rest in peace.
I recall some other flight crash investigation channels did that too, like Allec Joshua Ibay, but some of them including him stopped doing it for some reason. It helps to humanize the people on the flight instead of just seeing them as a statistic in these crashes.
@UC-Jf_YAvw4Apbz-SAVM3p2A Yes. Yesterday I saw the pilot`s wife on tv reporting... very sad all this...
Yes I get nightmares in my mind thinking about those poor people.
Don't forget the poor dog😢
Ótimo comentário! Traz luz às pessoas envolvidas nesse desastre. Que descansem em paz. DEP 🙏🏼
There were two children in that flight too:
a little girl who was with his father. They were going to celebrate Father's day together
and a little boy from Venezuela called Joslan, He was in the plane with his mother and grandma and a six month old female dog called Luna. They were going to return to Venezuela
Theres even a video of the two children playing before boarding the plane
I don't think it could get more heartbreaking than this 😭
Rest in peace all 62 people and Luna
Eu tô chorando até hoje por essas duas crianças... Tenho um filho de 4 anos e morei por 10 anos em Cascavel, morando hj perto ainda de lá.... Conheço algumas pessoas e não tem como não parar de chorar ao lembrar, pelo menos por agora... Está difícil.... Que o Criador os tenha por perto 😢
Rest in peace🙏🙏🙏 Please Dear Lord give confort to the mourning families. I feel very sad for the passangers😭 the little ones with their dad or mother. There was also the grandmother of the little boy. I cant imagine how much they will be missed. 😢😢
Rest in peace all ❤
It may be small comfort, but fwiw, I had an NDE (near death experience) at 19 and was greeted by my great-grandfather and an old family dog who had both died several years before. They both looked young again and were so happy to see me.
Since then, I believe we'll all see our beloved again. But, yes - the missing is profound.
Rest in paradise, to everyone on board. May extra angels of the be with the survivors.
Paz e luz ✨️🙏
😢😢estao no colo de Deussss e no paraiso!!!!
Our deepest condolences with Brazilian people. From Pakistan.
We appreciate
Agradecemos a solidariedade de nossos irmãos Paquistaneses....
♥️🙏
Deus guarde a todos nós de agora em diante vamos pedir a Deus proteção; ainda que o adversário se levante. 🙏🏼 Agradeço por todos. O Brasil também ama a todos vocês do Paquistão. 🫂😭
Seems all walking dead
I'm actually from Cascavel-PR (Brazil) and this was a huge tragedy.
A lot of young people just casually living their happy lives died in this tragic accident.
A friend of mine actually lost his mother in this accident and another one lost his 31yr sister.
May all those souls rest in well-deserved peace, and may God have mercy on them.
😂
@@kisetsunoWhat the hell do you want to say with that laugh? This is not a joke.
@Lou-s5h I don't want a fight or anything like that, but we have a good level of perception of the tragedy, it was broadcast on national television and, besides, he is from the city where the PLANE left, I believe the local newspaper showed the Maximum information about the incident.
So sad, tragic & unfortunate. Why did the de-icing mechanism not get deployed or, not work? Truly a death spiral. Terrifying for just everyone on board.
I believe 3 people missed that flight, one of them was present at the airport and was later interviewed and broke down in tears. He hugged (off camera) the employee who didn't let him board.
This is such a tragedy, and seeing these videos of the actual crash is horrific knowing how desperate those poor should must've left during those long minutes.
You have portrayed this with great respect, and in a very informative manner. Thanks
Some I think a few missed the gate
Except narration. Its missing good narration instead of large text blocks to read
This kind of tragedy proves again and again that we take life for granted thinking these kind of thing happens to others. We don't have any guarantee how and when we will die. Let all of us thank God we are alive to see today and perhaps tomorrow too. Our life is just a moment in space ✨.
No, 10 people escaped...
@@1NightInParisOfficial Most who subscribe to and faithfully watching the videos on this channel, including myself, prefer the text over voice narration.
Every now and then the creator does a voice narrated video.
Some people missed the tragic flight on Friday. A man who missed the flight told Brazilian news outlet Globo that at least 10 people were waiting at the wrong gate causing them to miss the flight.
Esses foram sortudos e nasceram novamente. Os outros, não tiveram tanta sorte. Infelizmente. Those ones were Lucky.
They were born again. The others didn't have as much luck, unfortunately.😢
E só existem 3 portões no aeroporto, um ao lado do outro
Eles esperaram para fazer check in no balcão errado, devido ao acordo de codeshare entre a Voepass e Latam. Perderam o prazo máximo e foram impedidos de embarcar. Um número relativamente grande de pessoas não embarcou nesse voo devido a atrasos e outras situações peculiares.
3th world countries in the comment section
Welp... Time to wait for a person to say that God deserves credit for this even though its the people's action that made them miss a flight...
Putting this up just two days after the crash is impressive, and it's one of the best videos I've seen from you! All of the descriptions and explanations of the plane's movement were super helpful. I've been watching for years and love your content.
I couldnt agree more....i was just wondering what had happened and was about to do a google search of the aftermath. While the results of this video arent conclusive...it gives you a pretty good idea of exactly what happened. Thanks for posting so quickly
I agree.
they have had some disappointing videos lately but this one is not bad at all.
@@elmallocBro beggars can’t be choosers.
@@JK-g62 This is all just speculation at this point, it's still likely the cause, but still speculation. Plus, the video hints on many different occasions that it was heavily effected by pilot error, which is completely unfair to say at such an early stage, especially for the family and friends of the pilot.
R.I.P - I have a good friend from Sao Paolo who's aunt and uncle were on this flight. Heartbreaking and tragic. My friend's mother, and the sister of these two killed in the plane crash, had just lost her husband two weeks prior.
Tomorrow doesn’t belong to us
Rest in peace 🪦✈️💐✝️
😢os famosos misteriossss
Paulo*
Ri
@Lou-s5hYeah, that's not what he said. What is it that makes it unbelievable that he has a friend whose relatives were on the plane??
The ATR-42 and ATR-72 simply cannot be flown in icing conditions. How many crashes have to happen in exactly the same weather conditions before the aircraft is permanently grounded?
Exactly
As an Asian its weird for me to see Atrs being used in the Americas or in Europe
@@fz7091💯% correct .They don't seem to be current with the times.
They fly in icing conditions. Atr fly in alaska and finland, for example. Thats not a problem. There's not just one cause for this accident. Let's wait for investigation.
Yeah it is always the same in
My former radiology teacher was in that flight. A great doctor 😢😢😢
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sorry about that 😢😢
Lies
Name?
they say worlds top cancer doctors were on that flight. maybe they discovered a cure?
I am impressed at how quickly you were able to get this together.
That was really good how you all did this video so quickly, with very good information
@@CarlJay-ry8mr Thank you!
Yes but perhaps premature
Quick, yes, but very weird that the CG recreation did not show us the flat spin seen in the real-life video. Also the thumbnail shows the ATR inverted just before crashing, which is inaccurate. The whole thing seems click-baity.
@@SplashJohntbf, this guy has been posting essentially reposts for months, so i’m just happy to get something new that i haven’t watched or heard about yet
I live 20 minutes from the airport where this plane left. Whenever I can, I go to Cascavel airport to watch landings and takeoffs. On Friday (08/09), around 1:49 p.m., at the end of the lunch news, the presenter said: "now a breaking new! A plane that left Cascavel has just crashed in a residential neighborhood of Vinhedo/SP".
Because I'm an aviation enthusiast, as soon as I saw the video on TV, I recognized that it was an ATR-72. At this moment I was taken by a despair, I started to cry and I felt a panic that I had never felt before, because I soon imagined that something around 50 to 60 people could have died. I was even more desperate when I thought I could have friends, neighbors or customers on board this plane. I cried like a child for a few minutes until I had new information.
This last Sunday (11/08), I went again to Cascavel airport, but this time I felt something totally different. I went through the same paths, through the same doors, I saw the same things that these poor people saw in their last moments of life. I was there, right there where I saw the live TV links bringing the news about the accident. I reflected that just over 48 hours ago all these victims were there in the same place, all alive and physically intact.
I will continue to be passionate about airplanes and I will continue going to go to Cascavel airport, but I think I will always have this strange feeling, because I will always remember that all these 62 stories, including little Liz (3 yo), little Joslan (4 yo) and her puppy Luna (6 months) had their last moments there between those walls and doors of the passenger terminal. May all these people rest in peace. Thank you.
Thank you for the detailed analogy.Your time vested is much appreciated.R.i.p to those lovely souls that departed so tragically.
@@edensgatebr Que texto impactante. Eu não tinha parado pra pensar nisso, mas esse foi o último lugar por qual eles passaram. Fico feliz que vc tenha lembrado das crianças e da pequena luna. Uma tragédia tudo isso.
Pensei semelhante. Fico pensando na tripulação recepcionando os passageiros. Meu Jesus ! 😢🖤
Eu também fiquei e ainda estou muito triste com esse acidente, ainda mais quando se tem criança.
I always wonder about traveling animals in crashes as they are never mentioned. Thank you for mentioning little Luna ❤
Congrats to this channel for putting out a quality video on this just 48 hours after the incident.
Just a piece of advice for you, during a spin you say that only one wing is stalled. This is incorrect, both wings are actually in a stalled condition however, one wing is more stalled than the other which determines the direction of the autorotation/spin!
Please disregard the complainers, as this was a very respectfully done visual depiction of what is known thus far. 👏🏾
Agree
You say my words,@@intellifly747
Yes, very respectful to recreate a crash that killed scores of people before the bodies have even been buried. It is a testament to his dedication to accuracy that he waited until the preliminary crash report came out so he could accurately cover it. Bravo indeed.
Vocês foram rápidos!!
Conseguiram fazer o vídeo com rico em informações!!!
@@qwerty112311 womp womp
This was tastefully done. Fans of aviation know this comes with the territory. Respect to all who are dealing with this accident.
Much respect to the FlightChannel for humanizing this accident while NOT speculating on causes. Just reporting the facts. Prayers and condolences go out to the families of the deceased, and to the man who missed the flight. I'm sure he is haunted by survivor's guilt about now.
Great explanation. Rest in peace to all those that were lost.
At that moment the pilot did not know that ice had formed. I am Brazilian and this was in all the newspapers, it was an unforgettable scene. Thank you for demonstrating this.
He did know there was ice, there were several icing alarms recorded prior to the final descent.
Manufacture for the ATR states it can handle severe icing, clearly something happened where something malfunctioned. Personally I think the manufacturer of the ATR is full of shit! A plane from my area crashed in the 90s from icing and they changed a few things like the icing boots and geographic location of where the plane can fly, but up in the skies it will always be freezing. So idk what they thought they were doing.
I couldn’t even imagine going through that. Even if death comes instantly and painlessly, that has to easily be the most terrifying thing someone can go through. R.I.P to the 62 who tragically lost their lives that day.
Airplanes are actually the most unsafe form of traffic transportation device. You know why? Because it is remotely controllable.. is there someone on board that someone high ranked wants to see dead? They can just take over Control,let it crash and fake wats on the blackbox and we'll never know.
Stay on the ground. Thats how we made. If we were meant to fly, then we could without this unsecure metal bird.
The only relevant thing about experiences is memory, and none of them have that.
@@johnp139bs! They had it right before they crashed. What kind of philosophical crap are you on about?!
It's never instantly. You feel something. For a short period of time but you still feel it.
@AirbusA380_Jr Not all passengers died instantly, there was one passenger who survived the crash and died 3 minutes after the impact (words from the residents where the aircraft crashed).
Dude! That 1 guy who came to late will never be mad again missing a flight or anything like that. Jesus!
It was actually 10 people who lost the flight
They bought tickets with LATAM and they were supposed to make a conection with VoePass, but they didn't know that so they were waiting on LATAM's check-in, but LATAM's was closed
That one guy is the one who bothered to ask in VoePass check-in on why LATAM's one was closed and that's how he found out the mistake, but the employee wouldn't let him in because the airplane was already closed, he then rudely argued with the VoePass employee
He was later interviewed by local TV in tears trying to find the employee and thank him for not letting him in
Almost every flight has its share of passengers missing embarkation, then whenever a disaster happens, these absent passengers that escaped by pure chance become notorious, and even religious in a few cases.
And if they *had* gotten on the plane, the crash may never have happened. Think about that for a moment and consider the impact it has on these people.
@toxic_sins407 That's assuming he's willing to ever fly again.
@@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Or maybe the plane, being heavier from having more passengers, might have stalled sooner and ended up landing in a different location that might have resulted in additional casualties on the ground.
It’s horrific to consider that everyone on board likely had time to know the end was coming. This video was interesting and I appreciate understanding what likely happened. God bless all the victims families.
I am Brazilian! and listen to the stories of the people who died in this disaster is devastating. A lot younger people with dreams that will never come true. I pray for the families find strength in the memories of their loved ones. Life is too short! we never know when is our last breath. Let people around you know you love them! 😢
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While flying is a very safe form of transportation I will never fly on this airframe, I have seen far too many accidents involved with it. I'm glad that this model of plane having a poor safety record was touched on in the opening segment of this video, and I recommend you do your own research into the many accidents that have occurred, many of them also documented on video.
Blimey. This guy can’t win. Read masses of comments moaning about re uploads of older crashes. Now he’s being moaned at for loading one that’s too new…..!
Strange people, aren't they? They remind me of the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew 11:16-17 “But to what will I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to one another, We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we wailed, and you did not mourn.’ (I'm an atheist, by the way, but I think the Bible is quite an interesting book).
Until now, I was upset with TFC by just re-uploading old stuff... Man, I'd love to know air tragedies are a thing of the past and all published stuff is just old news. What a pity! 😢
Well, that's the majority of humans, serial complainers. Can't please 100% of humans. So I would never try.
On the other hand, I send my condolences to the families of the victims of this tragic incident. I am extremely curious about what could have caused this?
Watching a few aviation channels (for a while now), experts, pilots, engineers, etc, say that these aerodynamic stalls can recover. Why didn't it happen in this case.
I will definitely follow this investigation. So sad.😢
Both are reasonable complaints, actually.
This one doesn't even have a complete investigation, so this video shouldn't even exist.
@@caydenph2741If not yet deemed fully accurate, it was informative nonetheless. And it did state another video will be prepared upon the conclusion of the investigation.
Well, anybody that was complaining about the re-uploads myself included owes you an apology. Whoever put this video together has earned every single subscriber here. Well done you’ll never get a single bit of criticism from me again nice work.
I think it he did many reuploads because there weren't any recent big crashes to cover. Or some of his older videos were taken down, I don't know it's just my theory. But I'm happy he uploads again :)
@SomeRandomGuy203__w
I don't understand people who complain to content providers about such things, anyway. It is a lot of work to create good videos like these. Respect.
There was a Venezuelan family with their dog on board. The kid was only 4 years old.
How sad 😢
I am Brazilian. It broke me in pierces this air crash... I can't even imagine hearing the last conversation of the Black Box... 2 children (of 3 and 5 years old) were onboard... 10 people lost this flight! Rip...
This accident shook Brazilian aviation, may God comfort the hearts of the families and friends of the victims involved in this tragedy
They shook us Brazilian 😢😢emotions
It was the first fatal crash for VoePass (renamed after Passaredo Airlines) after almost 30 years of service. We brazilians are in shock for what happened. May they rest in peace.
I live 20 minutes away from Vinhedo. A beautiful town and affluent. I was there a couple of weeks ago with my daughter. It is a sad situation for all, especially the families. God bless you all🙏
@HaroldHognose why?
Fala em português alienígena
@@senasouil7767 porquê?
My condolences to their families😭😭😭from Afghanistan
Thanks from Brasil
Obrigado.
1st time I’ve ever seen a comment, to whom cited their location, from Afghanistan. Cool.
Allahu AKBAR
Afghanistan doesn’t have TH-cam lmao
Never seen such an informative & factual aircrash investigation video before. This video is a "lecture-type" level for aviation students. Thank you @TheFlightChannel 🔥🔥🔥
How horrific it was when everyone inside the plane looking at their death.
Those poor people knew that they were going to die for an awful long time. R.I.P.
Those souls returned to their real home encompassed by the love and mercy of God. I’m positive their initial suffering was relieved by the loved ones waiting for them on the other side. It’s shocking for their families here. May they find comfort and support.
I'm pretty sure when that flat spin happened, the passengers have already G-LOCd (G-force induced Loss Of Conciousness) during the spin.
A fatal way to go unfortunately.
😢😢
Thats what makes this soo horrific...this has to be the most frighten type of crash. I all the way in Jamaica and extremely saddened by this.Being an avid follower of Air Investigations and Diisasters this ranks as one of the worst Ive seen.
What a terrible disaster.
62 innocent people lost their lives, their families are suffering and lots of people will lose their jobs and many other bad things.
Life is beautiful but sometimes the human condition is difficult to understand.
@@PedroEsteban
I’m missing all those lives even if I don’t know them. I told Woody.EXE of the plane crash on Saturday and he paid a really emotional tribute to them all. Woody.EXE is the best monarch after King Charles
Wow, I can't believe you got this video and information out this quick. Thanks for the hard work!
Yay
Vulture!
Yes I love when a channel covers a crash before the bodies are buried. Shows how well they researched the official reports on the cause of the crash 👏🏻
@@qwerty112311 that's what I was thinking there's no way that they know the cause of this crash yet. The investigation has just started.
@@cremebrulee4759 You seemingly did not watch the video. It acknowledged that there is only a small tidbit to speculate off of and that a more informational video will be released later on when the investigation concludes.
Instead the video mostly delves into the aviation physics involved in a flat spin and was educational on the matter.
It's an absolute shame it's under such tragic circumstances, but perhaps the aviation community will be able to recognize what went wrong so that future loss can be prevented.
I always watch this channel and I never thought my city would be in those videos someday. I knew a couple and a doctor who were on that flight. May they rest in peace.
There was also a number of doctors on a way to a press conference,blowing the cover on the connection between mrna shots,and turbo cancers.
Ignore the complaints, this video was outstanding. Great work especially with the simulations.
No one is complaining ~
@@layalaya9367yes they are. Are you ok?
I'm Brazilian and I live in the flight's original destination (Sao Paulo). An important information about this tragedy is that there was a cold front right where the plane was flying. This reinforces the ice formation on the wings hypothesis, because the plane came from a cold dry area and entered a hot humid area. This speculation must be corroborated or disproved by the ongoing investigation, of course, which is the only thing to clarify what really happened.
Remember another famous accident from my country, the AF447 flight, which disappeared over the equatorial atlantic ocean in 2009: the black box was found only 2 years after, it consumed lots of money to be rescued, but was crucial to understand what caused the accident.
What caused the crash?
@@watchmen617, ice formation on the wings seems to be the most plausible by now. Only the investigation is going to provide evidence to indicate the correct cause, though.
@@watchmen617 mec tu planes ou bien ??
@@watchmen617 Almost certainly ice build up on the wings, leading to stall, spin entry, developing into a flat spin. The ATR is known for its poor tolerance of icing. Several US operators ceased using the type on their more northerly routes after the crash of American Eagle flight 4184 at Roselawn where icing was a contributory factor.
The flight crew needed to descend out of the icing altitudes into warmer air below 12,000 feet before the situation became critical.
The leading edge of the wing should have been designed to de ice
Seeing that footage of a plane just dropping down like that just haunts me to the core, and also seeing a body of what appears to be one of the pilots is the stuff of nightmares, condolences to all of their families
A part of me does not believe that these two pilots just watched the plane stall…there is more to it than what the eye can see
Like what?
Sou brasileiro, e a caixa preta disse De mas potencia aos motores copiloto, e caso vc n saiba a maioria foram encontrados em posição de emergencia, os tripulantes tentaram mais Caiu com o stall então 😢 não a nada que eles podiam fazer alem de tentar e tentar , e o condomínio que ele caiu disse que o piloto poderia ter batido em 3 casas mais ele Virou e tocou o chão na diagonal
e eles conseguiram retomar o controle da aeronave pelas testemunhas , elas disseram que ele passou por cima de um muro batendo nas arvores mesmo
@@TiagoGamer-q9m Historia, o avião tava sm control
Gosh I. What a horribly tragic loss. Perhaps it's compounded by the fact that it's so recent.
The captain, flight attendant, and doctors had so so much life left. All on board contributed so greatly to humanity in even the smallest ways, even if it wasn't readily apparent. There will now forever be a void in the hearts of humanity. I can't imagine what immense grief their families are going through.
I hope it can be discovered what happened leading up to Flight 2283, for their families' closure, for preventing future loss and to put these poor souls to rest.
There’s journalistic integrity here. Video creator is making sense of facts.
LMFAO “JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY” of covering a fatal crash before the bodies are buried, let alone before any mildly official report has been released.
@@qwerty112311 The TV news and newspapers are all reporting on it as well so what's the difference?
@@qwerty112311where is the law that says one cannot report on a crash "until the bodies are buried"?
like the pic of the plane inverted...never happened it was a flat spin...picture for clicks
@@robertwest2879 The video was not implying that: merely giving us an example of spins and stalls....
how is an aircraft with such a horrible track record still considered air worthy? beyond me. May everyone involved RIP.
Easy $$. Humans are too greedy
From what I understand they do not fly them in the northern US due to ice concerns though there are a few in service in Canada. As we all know thanks to previous airliner accidents, many companies choose profit over safety and this crash may be the latest example.
It's probably not fair to say "horrible track record" but the ATR-72 is subject to poor operation in icing conditions and due to its Turbo Prop engines (not jet turbine) it's lower ceiling of about 17-20,000 limitation puts it's operation in the "severe icing zone" by definition.
Larger jet aircraft fly well above this at 30,000' + avoiding the danger.
These ATRs are used more heavily in poorer and geographically larger counties that need short hop / haul low cost transport - this is somewhat unavoidable as the ATR fits the largest # of passengers at 72, in the most cost effective manner.
In normal non-icing weather it's safety record is comparable to similar aircraft.
It's too bad but unavoidable, as these smaller local airports can't handle the larger Jets but can the ATR-72.
Look at American Eagle Flight 4184. Same situation.....
There is a small airline called Silver in the US that is based out of florida which uses ATR 42s and 72s.
Thank you for spelling out some of the technical details of this accident so quickly after it occurred and for the message honoring the lives lost. Although tragic and heartbreaking, this was an excellent video. Thank you for creating engaging and informative content for all of us to consume!
It's impressive that TFC put this together so fast. And did a great job discussing what happens in a stall and spin. My understanding of a flat spin recovery is counterintuitive to most pilots in that you have to push down making into a descending spin gaining speed and then recover. Going into it and down takes skill and altitude, otherwise very bad things like here happen. Stunt pilots will tell you the same thing.....
It was just reported in the newspaper that another plane crashed here and killed five people. This year, Brazil is not a good place to travel by plane ☹️
I love this channel because it takes the time to investigate the story of the people involved. It brings a whole new layer to my understanding of just how tragic and heartbreaking this is and allows me to empathize better with the families of the unfortunate passengers (RIP). This channel goes beyond informing you of an event, it strives to make you a better human. Thank you so much for that, TheFlightChannel
Thanks for posting Flight Channel about this accident that had a big impact in Brazil
Icing is a known problem on ATR's for many years now.
They should have fixed it.
I thought they had tried, increasing the size of the expanding "boots" on the leading edge following a previous crash.
It only applies to ATR that operates in North and South America
There was a simillar incident.
Aero Carribean flight 883 stalled due to icing on the wings.
@@Davidstrains2056 yes
@@philiphumphrey1548 Well, as you can see.. it didn't work..
They still! fall due to icing..
Too early yet.., but most probably this was the reason .
I am a brazilian, thanks for making this informative video! I am really sad since most people who don't really know much about aviation won't trust turboprop planes and maybe planes in general.
I am also pretty sure VoePass airlines will lose its reputation and probably go bankrupt sometime.
R.I.P to the 62 souls in that plane...
From the comments I've been seeing in videos about ATR even before the crash, looks like it's been a heavily discredited aircraft in the country. People say that, due to its sound, and heavy turbulences, it doesn't inspire confidence.
I also don't know if VoePass will be able to recover from this, sadly.
The oldest airline in activity in Brazil, it was one of the few which had never suffered any accidents.
Due to financial difficulties, ceased its operations from 2002 to 2004, and filed for bankruptcy judicial protection from 2012 to 2017.
Still, managed to be regarded as the safest Brazilian airline in 2014, along with Avianca Brasil (the latter having already gone into bankruptcy during the pandemic).
Many big airlines company had accidents in past, no reputation had lost, it accident it can happen with airplane in the sky, weather or mechanic failure.
Dont be so nasty, all airline companies care for their customers.
@@Brancaalice VoePass isn't big, it is really small compared to Azul, Gol, Latam and etc.
Eu viajei pelo Tam e Gol no Brasil foi seguro. Não uso otra linha aérea.
@@arthurmorais8911 Yeah, it's only a regional airline. Their whole fleet is about 15 ATR which, as I said, was already an infamous aircraft...
Finally a video that isnt just a reupload of a older one
Wow, this video was beautifully done. Excellent job on such a tragedy.
An incredibly powerful and sobering look at the tragic Voepass Flight 2283 crash. Your detailed analysis and real footage bring home the critical importance of safety in aviation. Thanks for shedding light on this heartbreaking event.❤
0:27 it's São Paulo from Saint Paul; a family from Venezuela was in the flight; CENIPA is working to release a Preliminary Report in about 30 days, the flight recorder was recovered and his data was recovered with success! A sad acident near Father's Day here in Brazil
🤷🏽♂️ why do they have a different Father's Day?
@@WALTERBROADDUS here on Brazil Father's Day is on different day prior to be comercial date, but the first Father's Day was celebrated on Saint Joachim day (Father of Virgin Mary) August 16 1953, then later celebrated in every second Sunday of August
Well, y’all’s dream came true, he didn’t do a reupload now
God Forgive Us 😅
Don't get your hopes up,he did the same thing later@@sassan7759
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Someone must have played KEROSENE by Crystal Castles during this flight 💀🛩️💥
F@ck... I never commented or expressed out loud my disappointment of re-uploads in recent times, but a fresh accident that too a fatal one is definitely not what I had in mind... it was always automatically implied for a video on a past incident. RIP to all 62 people and praying for strength for their families.
My girlfriend was coming to my city with the same company and at the same time. I received news that a plane from this company had crashed while I was heading to the airport meet her. My heart almost came out of my mouth. I'm glad it wasn't her flight, but it's still so sad that all these people lost their lives.
Thank you for presenting this in such a humanistic and compassionate way. RIP, all.
That guy who missed the flight!!!!!! 😮
We are all numbered, his number wasn't called for.
I wonder what number he had😂😂
He REALLY needs to thank that desk agent who refused to let him on the plane, I’ll tell you that!!
Was it Seth McFarlane again?
From now on, this man celebrates two birthdays every year.
@@TheEternaut Once for his original birth date, the second for being "born again".
5:36 FlightRadar24 tweeted that this aircraft's transponder had been broadcasting odd airspeed readings for days before the accident
This could be a key info then because if the pilots knew their speed gauge was wrong, they could not have known a true low speed to act quickly. The airlines and maintenance had a role then.
@@sred5856 it was later revealed that the graph shows Ground Speed.
FlightRadar24 later released another graph with the True Airspeed, which looks much more stable, just decreasing slowly until the plane suddenly starts to lose altitude
That info has been corrected in the meantime, though. The original readout doesn't have these oscillations
What do u mean ?
I don’t believe in fate. But I bet that guy who missed the FLIGHT ✈️ DOES !!!!!!!!
Final Destination, all over again.
Every crash seems to have someone who didn't / couldn't get on.
He has to look at the thing from two perspectives if he wants to think seriously:
1. His fate was to live, since he missed the flight.
2. The fate of all those who boarded to plane was to die.
If he thinks seriously aboutb that, he'll become like you: a disbeliever in fate, and he'll start thinking in terms of law of probabilities.
People who believe in miracles will have to do the same thing, and if they have half a functioning brain they will stop believing in miracles.
@@MatthewTaylor3 I love those Movies Matt ! I think you’re referring to the first one yes ?
@@dicky7600 Doesn’t that mess them up psychologically? Survival Guilt ! Right Dicky ?
the fact that i've flown with this spesific aircraft with the same name "Pelita Air" here in Indonesia. RIP to those who perished, sending my thought and prayers to the families all the way from Indonesia.
YES!!! Finally! Whoever bought this channel is finally showing their chops!! ❤Great job.
At 12:05 to 12:07 at the bottom of the screen, he stated that a new video will be released pending further investigation.
My thoughts are with the 62 that lost their lives, their families, and those that knew them! May they R.I.P. 🥀😔
I lived in Cascavel, from where the ATR departured.
One time I flew with ATR-72 but from Azul Airlines, from Curitiba from Florianópolis, about 350km, a short fly, but I didn't the experience on board the ATR. It looks like so vulnerable 😢
Sad for everyone!
Wow, that one passenger that wasn't allowed to board is so lucky..
Até o boneco do simulador joga as malas de qualquer jeito.
De fato bem realista esse simulador
😂😂
KKKKKK o brasileiro não tem limites. O vídeo é algo sério e você olhando o cara jogando as malas. 😂
Wow, that one guy who was probably fuming and cursing at the airport worker who would not let him on for being late. He probably hated him. How much does he love him now? The terror and hope turned terror those poor people must have endured makes me emotional just thinking about it. RIP to all of them.
He was hugging that worked apparently according to a comment.
Thank you finally not a re-upload
Of all the videos on this channel, this has got to be the most comprehensive and detailed of them all, even when we don't have the results from the investigation. Congrats...great video.
When I saw the news, I was afraid because it's the same type of aircraft I was to board the following day in my country, I kept rejecting that evil thought in my mind that nothing will happen to our own aircraft, I cannot imagine terrific situation those passengers felt while stalling and spinning. So sad. May their souls rest in peace. Amen.
As a Professional Airline Pilot, know that this channel is extremely well done and accurate at showing aviation crashes
as a professional non-pilot, i always respected pilots and you guys are still the coolest mofos out there. thanks for getting me home safe so many times
Are there unprofessional airline pilots?
I’m watching this while I have a 10 hour flight tomorrow 😢 wish me luck .
Did you get there
@@nicolelawless9942 I did! I slept the whole way! Thank you
sup jig @@andi6288
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I tried to sleep on my flight but the turbulence wasn’t great. The pilots were incredible though, then i survived an 9/11 attempt that Woody almost committed but luckily me, my sister, Come and See (1985), United 93 (2006) and Mummy suddenly became heroes that day and we saved well over 2,000+ lives. The experience was literally terrifying
I was flying today 🥲. Was thinking of that crash the whole time. Thankfully everything was fine.
"One ticketed passenger fails to show up at the boarding desk due to a mixup at the airport"
That.. is 1 lucky ass person!
I was looking for this video clip but didn’t think it will come this quick . Thanks a lot for this
Those poor people had all kinds of time to be terrified out of their minds! So horrible! If it was ice buildup, it would seem they never stood a chance. Will look forward to a final report on this tragedy. RIP 62 souls
Wait, I thought this channel had been sold to someone just milking it with hundreds of reuploads but this amazing quality new video just drops? Confusing, but this is really good. Especially the spin explanation that is very well made
I knew it wasn't sold!
@@cyanball69 yea
how do you know it was sold or what give you that idea?
Just an assumption, it showed all the signs. @@1compaqedr8
@@1compaqedr8 The owner did not even liked the comments (giving a heart) and was completely silent 😂 and not saying anything, making us very suspicious. I wonder what happened at that time actually ? No clarification
So I guess your flight simulator software can't replicate a flat spin? The video showed nose down which is not what happened.
Yeah, it can't, I already tried, not possible in this software. Still he should have put some note about that, since it can confuse some people.
@@lucasmatsuocaFS2020's native flight dynamics still has a long way to go
How is it confusing when he spent a large part of the video summarizing airplanes entering/in a spin? Furthermore, he stated “flat spin” 3 times in text narration right before showing the actual video of the plane *_in_* a flat spin twice. Once shown normal speed w/ sound & once in slow motion. Im only confused on how you’re confused.
@@OVRxNxOUT an then proceeded to show repeated times a normal spin on the simulator, not being coherent with what is being stated. How can you not understand the disconnection here? Do you lack neurons?
@@lucasmatsuocawhich software it is
“Over the course of the years, it has been involved in 66 aviation accidents and incidents” HOW IS THIS PLANE STILL FLYING FOR GODS SAKES?
It's insane😡
I started watching this channel when he have only 3 videos see how much he grows now. Hope he remember me
Tragic. My prayers for the departed and condolences to their Friends and Family. RIP.
Well TFC, i apologize for my past comments, although some information is reuploads may been slightly dodgy this was a 10/10 well done.
Such a horrible accident! The terror and horror those poor people experienced before their deaths. Lord please rest their souls!!! ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Thank you for coming out with a video of the incident so soon. As usual a nicely presented video.
A very sad incident. RIP to all the victims.
I love how many are complaining that the video is too premature. Yet, you knew what the video was about, clicked, and continued to watch. Humans, Lol. 😂😂😂🤦🏽♀️
Umm… even the channel acknowledges that another video will have to be made when more information comes out… Why can’t the viewers also come to that same determination? 🧐
@@Town_Bound because the average person lacks comprehension these days and would rather nitpick than exercise common sense 😩
So tragic..condolences Brazil from your American friends.
As an American from Brazil, I thank you for your condolences 🤝
May the victims souls rest in peace. 😢🙏🏻🕊️😇 The families affected.
Yes
Yes thanks from Brasil
Hello from Australia. Terrible tragedy. Thank you for showing a possible reason for the accident. It really humanises the whole thing when you see the AI passengers boarding the plane. I pray for the souls of the lives lost, for their families, for the neighbours and couple whose home was hit, and for the first responders. So sad.
What a tragic story, wow, what a stroke of luck for that would be passenger from getting on the plane, he avoided death by a inch. RIP to all passengers and crew. In the social media age these things are becoming more and more common to be filmed. This is a well done video. You paid respects without speculating on the causes of the crash.
Such a heartbreaking event.RIP to all on board.
Condolences to all their family and friends.
Excellent video,even though such a tragic ending.❤️
RIP to all passengers particularly young doctors flying for the seminar. I had a feeling Brazil was trending in internal groups for some reason before this happened. Heavens know better.
It's unacceptable that a plane with such bad history behind is still in active duty. Someone needs to be held accountable once and for all
If there was a SIGMET saying "severe icing between 12,000 and 21,000", then the pilots should have been aware that this type of plane is susceptible to that, and have taken steps to avoid it.
I would be surprised if other pilots who fly this type do not notice of such SIGMETs. For their flights, nothing untoward takes place.
Remember no passenger aircraft is certified to fly in Severe icing. Unfortunately the ATR just doesn't have the power to fly above the weather, it struggles to go higher than 19000 but it does have lots of ice protection systems to make it as safe as possible
@@oldcynic6964 The head of Cenipa, air brigadier Marcelo Moreno, said this Sunday (11) that there was no emergency declaration to air traffic control bodies. The statement contradicts a trend that formed on social media that the flight commander asked to land at an airport on the way between Cascavel and Guarulhos and did not receive authorization...
It's gonna be crazy to find out what exactly put the aircraft into a flat spin. Never heard of a commercial flight crashing due to this.
@@ciaash3391Alaska 261 crashed due to out-of-control horizontal stabilizer stuck at full nose down. This was caused by a failed (stripped) jackscrew which had not been properly lubricated. Nothing to do with ice, spin, or stall.
Insane that this plane was once falling at 24,000 feet per minute I’ve never heard of a stall that bad
Wow that final moment was hard to watch, thank you to the person who captured it.
The ATR-72 was also involved in the Nepal crash in 2023 and Taiwan in 2015, in both cases the pilot(or co-pilot) feathered the props resulting in no thrust.
ATR..... The DC-10 of Turboprops. 🙄
And you didn't mention the plethora of icing fatal hull losses it had, notably with American Eagle and Cubana. Yeah, I think if I'm an airline I'm definitely choosing the Dash 8 Q400 with its very clean safety record and reliability in all weather conditions. Looks sleek and fun to ride in too.
The ATR-72 has always had a bad track record as far as icing. They are saying this is Brazil's wintertime, when icing is more common. The anti ice system on this plane has always been inadequate. It should have been upgraded years ago. This plane should be decommissioned so people don't have to die from its poor design. RIP to all the souls lost to this aircraft.
@@WALTERBROADDUSMost of DC-10 crashes was caused by poor maintenance and pilot error tho. But the plane was reliable.
@@HansTheDeutscheLuftschraube I would say it turned into a reliable air Tanker with the USAF. As a airliner, as snake bit as the ATR.
I don't think it's too soon. This crash has been on my mind the past few days, and any info is appreciated. I hope we can find out more soon. Rather than incompetence, it sounds like it was almost unavoidable 😢
Right, the official report definitely pointed toward just a series of unfortunate events instead of typical pilot error. Oh wait, it didn’t. Because it hasn’t been released yet. The bodies haven’t been buried. The shark has been jumped, no surprise considering this channel turned from informative to “collect the bread” several years ago.
@@qwerty112311wow, another boring nobody who can always "do it better" while sitting on their 🫏 doing nothing except being a miserable downer in the TH-cam comment sections. 🥱
@@qwerty112311People do whatever needed for clicks over such a tragedy. Pathetic behavior of this former good channel shame on you flight Channel! Official preliminary report due in only 25 days !!