I love watching the progress. This is gonna be sweet. I would suggest looking into something stronger than csl dd. It will most likely feel like a lateral upgrade from the csl you have. You should look into something like the alpha mini. As I'm typing this you said you were going to watch COTA F1 lol i went to the friday practice it was so cool. Happy racing.
Dang NICK! I've been 'attempting' to go to F1 COTA since it started getting rained out by the hurricanes a few years ago.. Man that must have been awesome!! Planning on next year! Yeah I'll take a look at the alpha mini.. I'm trying to keep the frame weight down.. I've been using the Elite belt drive for about 3 years in the other 3dof rig i have and just want to see what all the DD is about.. I'm really going to crank up the motors on this one and really dial it in on the channel so stay tuned.. more stuff on the way when I get a little time.. Dave
Love the videos! Very inspiring. One thing I would of done when raising the seat would be to use the roller balls from harbor freight for easier adjustment
@DMAX_DIY I've watched all of the 2dof and all of the 3dof you inspired me to chop up an old go-kart and attemp to make it a 3dof with your guidance through TH-cam. When it's done I'll email you all the photos.
@@MP56Racing Now your talking! Yeah, sometimes you gotta turn old things into new things! Feel free to ask questions if you have any. email is max.motion.simulator@gmail.com - I dont check it all the time but I do check and respond to questions.. All the best! Dave
Thanks Gavin.. yeah this 'design' is a bit different and should deliver some rock solid performance. I'm trying to keep the weight down on the upper frame so i can maximize response.. Even though the other 3DOF rig is wicked, I want this one to be better. Plus a smaller footprint should easily fit in the house Thanks for your awesome comment! Dave😁
Great Job Dave you inspired me as a 54 year old to make my own rig i also am being helped by another youtuber who I personally contacted and he designed the rig for me.. Thanks for the inspiration..
Manny! Nice to hear from you.. I'm 60 and its time for me and you to build something fun! If you have any questions let me know.. I try to help.. It may take me a minute, but I try to respond to anyone who has an observation or question or whatever.. check out the x-simulator.net forum.. those guys.. (like 2000 guys) have a lot of experience but check back on my channel too.. cause I'm in it and going to race this thing.. I already race on my other 3dof.. so this one will be more responsive etc.. Thanks Dave
Thanks for takin a look! yeah, it's much better now that all three frames are done.. the last 3dof I made I built 3 years ago.. I still race it every week! This one should be even more responsive cause I'm paying attention to weight. less weight is always better in a race car or motion rig.. Will be great to get back home and work on this thing over the weekend! Thanks for watching! Dave
Universal Bucket Seat Slider Tracks...is a nice touch...Plus if your off balance it will help you balance out...and you wouldn't have to take a bolt out (bolts) to move the seat back...looks great so far!!!!
Thanks PIGGEH deluxe! I appreciate the super thanks! I'm putting it right back into the channel. Yeah I'm really leaning on the CSL DD direction, cause I already have a steering wheel from the CSL elite.. so that's one less thing to get.. Plus I'm in VR so as long as it feels like a car.. that's what I'm aiming for. Thanks again my friend! Dave
Glad you could take a look! Yeah.. sometimes I actually get time to work on the projects I have.. Glad I got some done last weekend! Now time for me to have some chips and a cold one.. Dave
Hey D, might i suggest that on the adjustable part for the seat slide, you use cotter pins with either snap pins or R clips. Saves messing about with spanners when adjusting. Just a wee thought.
Yah.. I have some from my original blue seat.. they work fine.. I just was doing something different.. probably made it worse .. hahah! Never know till you try to do something..
Is there a reason why the square tubing that is supporting the wheel base is at that angle? It does look a little restrictive to get in and out of the rig. It is just an observation from an old man's point of view with aching joints 😊
It's my triangle design.. I have not yet built the other 4 small supports yet. YES YES it is restrictive.. I may deal with that.. ANother guy who I know asked me about that.. on the drivers side.. I may re work it.. but not yet.. I need to see if it's a pain in the butt.. because if it is.. If mod it.. cause I'm old too.. 60+ Dave
Great work! I had no Idea it gets that hot up by you. Was hotter than here in Florida. Not sure if your married, if so, your wife is forbearing! You have made huge progress quickly, Looking forward to the test drive!
@Gary Marma Gary, I used to live just south of Jacksonville.. Yeah.. The day I taped that video it seemed enough to mention the temp and humidity.. I'm trying hard to show the measurements of everything.. but yeah.. it's just me and a camera and a bunch of fun stuff to do in the garage so I may overlook a few things. Just let me know if you have questions or suggestions.. That way everyone can benefit .. Yep my wife is ok with this cause, half of the garage (at least this one) is mine.. hahah.. Dave
Csl DD with 8nm is awesome. You wont regret. It looks like you have the P1 wheel? I wanted to buy that wheel as a used one to save some money when ordering the dd base. But ive read somewhere that it isnt compatible with the csl dd anymore. Thats why i brought then the wrc wheel. I hope i am wrong and you can enjoy your setup from the first day on and dont need to wait for a new wheel. Thanks for your videos they inspire me to do se same one day. But i would try to go the route to build the frame itself with the the usually used aluminium profiles as I cannot weld. Best regards
CSL DD is the new CSL Elite. More or less the same. The raw motor on CSL DD is probably worth 100-200$, cheap and weak. Even MiGe which is a "cheap" but proper DD is at least double in price. Also, not only power but technology is important. Plastic connector wheels like P1 can't handle proper torque. When connecting to Fanatec bases, the torque is reduced to 8Nm or so. To be honest, that wheel only handles about 2-4Nm.
Thanks for watching Dominik! I appreciate it. Hopefully this series has a hand at inspiring people to build their own stuff. Either Aluminum profile, wood or metal.. Myself. I'm building the 2023 rig from carbon fiber.. - yeah I already bought some of the 3k and gelcoat and epoxy and have never done it before so it might be a completed disaster. Thanks for your input on the CSL DD and the P1 rim. I appreciate all the info I am getting and well at some point I need to get a wheelbase for this new rig, Just thought it would be click and 'buy now' type of thing.. but not right now.. See ya next video! Dave
@@gintonic9127 So if I did get a CSLDD the P1 rim would break off or something? would I need to get a better QR? I just gathering data.. Really want to keep within the 10# range.. I heard that simucube (irleand?) is shipping so I look at that too tonight. Dave
I'll look into it.. Thanks! I can get whatever.. I just want the lightest and most powerful for the weight that I can get.. I cant have a 15 pounder.. I already want to rebuild the V3 pedals out of carbon * actually that weight is the most detrimental to performance* having that weight hanging way out there.. Thanks for the suggestion Dave😁
Thanks for the new video, will the top frame that connects to the support of the wheel, be able to support the the vibration and movement of the motors?
Thanks for the question Luis.. Yeah once I get the remaining supports in place it will be fine. I do have a bit of finish up work to do this weekend.. 💪
Great comments my friend! Well.. I would but I gotta make sure it works pretty good first.. I tried to include the actual measurements and stuff on the videos. I'll think about it as it might be a good way for a guy to get started out.. Dave
Good question Stanley! Yeah.. so I will including that part in an upcoming video.. but in the meantime, I have purchased a couple round 'emergency on off switches' off the internet and was not happy about them.. cause they fell apart.. I am confident on using a 30 amp DC breaker mounted on the right side of the rig just to above the shifter. So for now, If can find one (I will supply the part number and ordering info in the upcoming video) It's basically an on off breaker within reach.. It's on my 'big rig' I've used it for about 2 years and works perfect.. Dave
This looks amazing. Side tip you should wear long sleeves and gloves. You can get UV burns kinda like sunburn from the welder which admits ultraviolet rays. Will you by chance have schematics for the frame like a google docs file?
never thought about that.. usually I try to wear long sleeves.. but you are probably right.. Dang.. PPE.. I will try and make a dimension doc or something when it's working. probably the end of the next series.. I figure YT will be around for a while so I have a bit of time to 'tweak' it if needed.. but it looks ok so far.. I tired to make the dimensions visible in the series but I realize not everyone has time to watch or take notes on all of it.. Good point and thanks for you comment.. I'm just some guy out here.. having fun and showing others how to do the same.. Dave
here you go.. one link or another.. discord.gg/JpgNhGZt it says this link will expire in 7 days.. Yeah buddy.. it's just a bunch of cool guys racing around for fun.. check it out.. also I copied this link: may or may not work below.. discord.com/channels/974595984707448832/981336682450276373
Thanks Bill.. I told my wife " I' need a wheel".. she said to send her the advertisement .. Probably not going to 'trust' her to order.. I'll take care of it myself.. hahah We will see what I end up with.. *for now* .. Appreciate the tip my friend!
DD wheels: Nobody asked me, but I think your content is inspiring, so I don't want you to get a crappy wheel. Summary: 1) Fanatec CSL DD: If you have a CSL ELite (I have one), don't get a CSL DD (Power Pack), it's not worth it. Cheaper version without Power Pack is just crap as DD wheel. Fanatec wheels with plastic Quick Release will NOT work properly with DD. Forget that option. 2) Fanatec DD1/DD2: If you love fanatec eco system AND have/want a lot of good wheels from Fanatec, then it makes sense. Pedals are irrelevant to DD choice. Also if you can get DD1/DD2 cheap, worth considering. In US, probably not. I'm in Germany, so it's around the corner and I still don't want it. FFB is good but not the best. Quick Release is crap and main reason to avoid it. Connection wheel/base not firm enough, results in loss of FFB fidelity. Best Quick Release systems are: Simgear QR1 Quick release and Simucube 2 Quick Release. Still, this is probably the second best choice overall, good resell value. And Fanatec is default choice in games. 1) Moza, Simagic, and other weird stuff I can't remember. Many based on simucube with their own weird beta software and weird own ecosystem. It might be all fine, but weird unknown ecosystem. If the price is right, maybe, but you're drawing yourself into unknown dark corner. Those that are based on simucube are at least somewhat standard and will fit any wheel. I think Moza requires their own weird wheels, not good, which is all part of the price. 4) Accuforce Valid choice if you're in US/America region (cheaper). Average but solid FFB for a DD. People notice in blind tests that it's inferiour, still way better than CSL DD. The unique part and the only real reason to get it is that you can use custom FFB based on telemetry, if you're into making your own FFB. I think the problem is still that the fidelity of the motor is not the best (in comparison to DD1, Simucube 2 or a great DIY motor) 5) custom DIY / origional simucube A lot choices, but tinkering required. With good motors (Lenzer, Kollmorgen) might be worth it. Software might be dated, which is also important. Probably not the best choice nowadays. I wanted to go that route, maybe some day. 1) Simucube 2 This is the base with the best FFB, in all my research and testing, and I own Pro version. Sport version is a real downgrade in everything (slower is the most critical factor, not weaker), I don't recommend it. I also have access to Ultimate version which is better, but probably not noticable (I could compare it closely one day). Great Quick release with no wobble or movement. Not the cheapest but worth it for a proper simulation as yours. Also, there is trust in the company and ecosystem, improvement based on original simucube which is still great. The only "negative" point is that it's not default as Fanatec as for now. If you'd ask me, for what you have and do, I'd say get a Simucube 2 Pro (it's worth it), or DD1 (if you're into Fanatec). Other stuff is kind of risky and inferior.
Oh WOW!! Now that's a fantastic comment and great advice.. Thank you for all of it. I printed out the comment so I can read through it a few times today. Still have not ordered a wheelbase yet but man, I really appreciate the insight.. Hard to tell unless someone like you has tested a bunch of different bases. Thanks again! Dang! Great! Dave
Ok.. so here is my 'thought' process. You might appreciate it too.. after comparing weight of all those wheelbases, The big boys come in at like 20#.. I am designing this rig (and the 6DOFcarbon rig next year) to take advantage of power to weight so the weight of components is a big consideration. There are two DD options which only weight 10#.. simucube or the CSL DD. What I am thinking of doing is for this project getting the CSL DD. BUT, in a different series in 2023 doing an OSW build using the Midge motor so I can actually get a Simicube 20nm at 10 pounds.. That's my thought process. I would be a good 'series' build if I can pull it off.. I'm researching on xsimulator.net right now and collecting the 'data' etc I need for the OSW build.. *a bit daunting software wise* but I'm a newby, so I study up a bit.. What u think? Dave
@@DMAX_DIY Seems like you'd have many of those complete rigs. Are you selling those or are you collecting them? Is weight difference that big in comparison to total weight (I guess 5-10%)? CSL DD without Power Pack (reduced Nm) might be weaker/worse than CSL Elite. With Power Pack it might be not much better than CSL Elite. OSW is fun for tinkering, but end result depends on the motor, controller, encoder, software etc.
@@gintonic9127 I'm just having fun.. i like building stuff. So with this newer rig, I really wanted to keep the weight down. i actually have carbon fiber to rework the top frame if i like the way it turns out in metal first. actually could not find a csl dd this week. so still without for now. the actual worst thing is the pedal set. the v3's weight is way out on the end. i'm posting another video tonight. mostly done.. Thanks for all your thoughts on this.. i dindnt realize it would be difficult to find one to purchase.. I have seen quite a few DD1's on the market. but still not sure on the weight.. dave
Thanks Dave! I love your channel. Your videos inspired me to build a sim rig of for myself over the last couple months and I have a question I'm hoping you can help with. When testing my rig using SMC3, the motors move faster in one direction vs the opposite. The difference varies between motors even. One moter moves faster clockwise, one counter. I posted a video of the issue, if you have any ideas feedback I would appreciate it. Keep on building! Thanks! th-cam.com/video/lbaYWlXDIS0/w-d-xo.html
I love watching the progress. This is gonna be sweet. I would suggest looking into something stronger than csl dd. It will most likely feel like a lateral upgrade from the csl you have. You should look into something like the alpha mini. As I'm typing this you said you were going to watch COTA F1 lol i went to the friday practice it was so cool. Happy racing.
Dang NICK! I've been 'attempting' to go to F1 COTA since it started getting rained out by the hurricanes a few years ago.. Man that must have been awesome!! Planning on next year! Yeah I'll take a look at the alpha mini.. I'm trying to keep the frame weight down.. I've been using the Elite belt drive for about 3 years in the other 3dof rig i have and just want to see what all the DD is about.. I'm really going to crank up the motors on this one and really dial it in on the channel so stay tuned.. more stuff on the way when I get a little time.. Dave
Love the videos! Very inspiring. One thing I would of done when raising the seat would be to use the roller balls from harbor freight for easier adjustment
Thanks for watching! Well, I'm still working on improvements.. and just came out with a new video on this rig.. so Hopefully up and running soon. Dave
@DMAX_DIY I've watched all of the 2dof and all of the 3dof you inspired me to chop up an old go-kart and attemp to make it a 3dof with your guidance through TH-cam. When it's done I'll email you all the photos.
@@MP56Racing Now your talking! Yeah, sometimes you gotta turn old things into new things! Feel free to ask questions if you have any. email is max.motion.simulator@gmail.com - I dont check it all the time but I do check and respond to questions.. All the best! Dave
Yesssss another videooo, my seat has arrived so off we gooo
Cool! yeah that's the way I felt when I saw the seat arrived.. I was like YESS!! Thanks for watching my friend! Dave
Love the design, so nice to see a new design that isn’t just 8020 !
Thanks Gavin.. yeah this 'design' is a bit different and should deliver some rock solid performance. I'm trying to keep the weight down on the upper frame so i can maximize response.. Even though the other 3DOF rig is wicked, I want this one to be better. Plus a smaller footprint should easily fit in the house Thanks for your awesome comment! Dave😁
Great Job Dave you inspired me as a 54 year old to make my own rig i also am being helped by another youtuber who I personally contacted and he designed the rig for me.. Thanks for the inspiration..
Manny! Nice to hear from you.. I'm 60 and its time for me and you to build something fun! If you have any questions let me know.. I try to help.. It may take me a minute, but I try to respond to anyone who has an observation or question or whatever.. check out the x-simulator.net forum.. those guys.. (like 2000 guys) have a lot of experience but check back on my channel too.. cause I'm in it and going to race this thing.. I already race on my other 3dof.. so this one will be more responsive etc.. Thanks Dave
comin along nicely Dave. Good job
Thanks Les! Just an old guy workin.. all day every day.. Until.... RACEDAY! which is coming soon! Heck Yeah! 😁
Looking great! It is really coming together now, you can see it all taking shape. I can't wait to see the next ep :)
Thanks for takin a look! yeah, it's much better now that all three frames are done.. the last 3dof I made I built 3 years ago.. I still race it every week! This one should be even more responsive cause I'm paying attention to weight. less weight is always better in a race car or motion rig.. Will be great to get back home and work on this thing over the weekend! Thanks for watching! Dave
Universal Bucket Seat Slider Tracks...is a nice touch...Plus if your off balance it will help you balance out...and you wouldn't have to take a bolt out (bolts) to move the seat back...looks great so far!!!!
Thanks for taking a look, it's coming together finally.. cant wait to mate this up with the U joint and get those motors involved! Great comment! Dave
Good Job Dave. Moving right along.. Nice design
Thanks RacerXtc Online! I know your building one too! Just trying to keep up with you on the build! Appreciate you takin a look! Dave
Hello, I'm from Vietnam and I'm looking for a way to do it. Luckily I came across your video, it was very helpful to me.
tnx man your doing great! cant wait for this project to be driving! i thing a csl DD 8nm would be great, small and compact
Thanks PIGGEH deluxe! I appreciate the super thanks! I'm putting it right back into the channel. Yeah I'm really leaning on the CSL DD direction, cause I already have a steering wheel from the CSL elite.. so that's one less thing to get.. Plus I'm in VR so as long as it feels like a car.. that's what I'm aiming for. Thanks again my friend! Dave
Thanks for antoher awesome video. did not expect a new one so soon. :)) enjoyed it with chips and a cold coke. :D
Glad you could take a look! Yeah.. sometimes I actually get time to work on the projects I have.. Glad I got some done last weekend! Now time for me to have some chips and a cold one.. Dave
Making progress!! Love to see it, D Max 😊 Keep up the great vids!!
Your the best B! Thanks for watchin.. Just trying to get a foothold on YT before I retire.. well you know..
Hey D, might i suggest that on the adjustable part for the seat slide, you use cotter pins with either snap pins or R clips. Saves messing about with spanners when adjusting. Just a wee thought.
Yah.. I have some from my original blue seat.. they work fine.. I just was doing something different.. probably made it worse .. hahah! Never know till you try to do something..
Is there a reason why the square tubing that is supporting the wheel base is at that angle? It does look a little restrictive to get in and out of the rig. It is just an observation from an old man's point of view with aching joints 😊
It's my triangle design.. I have not yet built the other 4 small supports yet. YES YES it is restrictive.. I may deal with that.. ANother guy who I know asked me about that.. on the drivers side.. I may re work it.. but not yet.. I need to see if it's a pain in the butt.. because if it is.. If mod it.. cause I'm old too.. 60+ Dave
Great work! I had no Idea it gets that hot up by you. Was hotter than here in Florida. Not sure if your married, if so, your wife is forbearing! You have made huge progress quickly, Looking forward to the test drive!
Btw, Its much appreciated that you state measurements, The only one I have seen to do so, Let you do the hard prototype work!!
@Gary Marma Gary, I used to live just south of Jacksonville.. Yeah.. The day I taped that video it seemed enough to mention the temp and humidity.. I'm trying hard to show the measurements of everything.. but yeah.. it's just me and a camera and a bunch of fun stuff to do in the garage so I may overlook a few things. Just let me know if you have questions or suggestions.. That way everyone can benefit .. Yep my wife is ok with this cause, half of the garage (at least this one) is mine.. hahah.. Dave
Csl DD with 8nm is awesome. You wont regret. It looks like you have the P1 wheel? I wanted to buy that wheel as a used one to save some money when ordering the dd base. But ive read somewhere that it isnt compatible with the csl dd anymore. Thats why i brought then the wrc wheel. I hope i am wrong and you can enjoy your setup from the first day on and dont need to wait for a new wheel. Thanks for your videos they inspire me to do se same one day. But i would try to go the route to build the frame itself with the the usually used aluminium profiles as I cannot weld. Best regards
CSL DD is the new CSL Elite. More or less the same. The raw motor on CSL DD is probably worth 100-200$, cheap and weak. Even MiGe which is a "cheap" but proper DD is at least double in price. Also, not only power but technology is important.
Plastic connector wheels like P1 can't handle proper torque. When connecting to Fanatec bases, the torque is reduced to 8Nm or so. To be honest, that wheel only handles about 2-4Nm.
Thanks for watching Dominik! I appreciate it. Hopefully this series has a hand at inspiring people to build their own stuff. Either Aluminum profile, wood or metal.. Myself. I'm building the 2023 rig from carbon fiber.. - yeah I already bought some of the 3k and gelcoat and epoxy and have never done it before so it might be a completed disaster. Thanks for your input on the CSL DD and the P1 rim. I appreciate all the info I am getting and well at some point I need to get a wheelbase for this new rig, Just thought it would be click and 'buy now' type of thing.. but not right now.. See ya next video! Dave
@@gintonic9127 So if I did get a CSLDD the P1 rim would break off or something? would I need to get a better QR? I just gathering data.. Really want to keep within the 10# range.. I heard that simucube (irleand?) is shipping so I look at that too tonight. Dave
You might want to wait for the ASETEC DD.
I'll look into it.. Thanks! I can get whatever.. I just want the lightest and most powerful for the weight that I can get.. I cant have a 15 pounder.. I already want to rebuild the V3 pedals out of carbon * actually that weight is the most detrimental to performance* having that weight hanging way out there.. Thanks for the suggestion Dave😁
Thanks for the new video, will the top frame that connects to the support of the wheel, be able to support the the vibration and movement of the motors?
Thanks for the question Luis.. Yeah once I get the remaining supports in place it will be fine. I do have a bit of finish up work to do this weekend.. 💪
@@DMAX_DIY Great work, waiting for the next videos
Love your content. You're a legend for so openly sharing and teaching. You don't publish plans of this by chance?
Great comments my friend! Well.. I would but I gotta make sure it works pretty good first.. I tried to include the actual measurements and stuff on the videos. I'll think about it as it might be a good way for a guy to get started out.. Dave
Wow
Hey Dave can you tell me how to wire in a emergency stop switch? Or possibly do a video, thanks
Good question Stanley! Yeah.. so I will including that part in an upcoming video.. but in the meantime, I have purchased a couple round 'emergency on off switches' off the internet and was not happy about them.. cause they fell apart.. I am confident on using a 30 amp DC breaker mounted on the right side of the rig just to above the shifter. So for now, If can find one (I will supply the part number and ordering info in the upcoming video) It's basically an on off breaker within reach.. It's on my 'big rig' I've used it for about 2 years and works perfect.. Dave
This looks amazing. Side tip you should wear long sleeves and gloves. You can get UV burns kinda like sunburn from the welder which admits ultraviolet rays. Will you by chance have schematics for the frame like a google docs file?
never thought about that.. usually I try to wear long sleeves.. but you are probably right.. Dang.. PPE.. I will try and make a dimension doc or something when it's working. probably the end of the next series.. I figure YT will be around for a while so I have a bit of time to 'tweak' it if needed.. but it looks ok so far.. I tired to make the dimensions visible in the series but I realize not everyone has time to watch or take notes on all of it.. Good point and thanks for you comment.. I'm just some guy out here.. having fun and showing others how to do the same.. Dave
Hey Dmax Waiting for a reply from you. Check your email lately? 😂 hope you’re working on new videos..
oh.. i have not checked email for a while.. i take a look
Hi Dmax, cant find the ACF discord link.. would like to join.
here you go.. one link or another.. discord.gg/JpgNhGZt it says this link will expire in 7 days..
Yeah buddy.. it's just a bunch of cool guys racing around for fun.. check it out..
also I copied this link: may or may not work below..
discord.com/channels/974595984707448832/981336682450276373
The fanatec DD2 is like $500 off for black Friday 🤔
Thanks Bill.. I told my wife " I' need a wheel".. she said to send her the advertisement .. Probably not going to 'trust' her to order.. I'll take care of it myself.. hahah We will see what I end up with.. *for now* .. Appreciate the tip my friend!
DD wheels:
Nobody asked me, but I think your content is inspiring, so I don't want you to get a crappy wheel.
Summary:
1) Fanatec CSL DD:
If you have a CSL ELite (I have one), don't get a CSL DD (Power Pack), it's not worth it. Cheaper version without Power Pack is just crap as DD wheel. Fanatec wheels with plastic Quick Release will NOT work properly with DD. Forget that option.
2) Fanatec DD1/DD2:
If you love fanatec eco system AND have/want a lot of good wheels from Fanatec, then it makes sense. Pedals are irrelevant to DD choice. Also if you can get DD1/DD2 cheap, worth considering. In US, probably not. I'm in Germany, so it's around the corner and I still don't want it. FFB is good but not the best. Quick Release is crap and main reason to avoid it. Connection wheel/base not firm enough, results in loss of FFB fidelity. Best Quick Release systems are: Simgear QR1 Quick release and Simucube 2 Quick Release. Still, this is probably the second best choice overall, good resell value. And Fanatec is default choice in games.
1) Moza, Simagic, and other weird stuff I can't remember. Many based on simucube with their own weird beta software and weird own ecosystem.
It might be all fine, but weird unknown ecosystem. If the price is right, maybe, but you're drawing yourself into unknown dark corner. Those that are based on simucube are at least somewhat standard and will fit any wheel. I think Moza requires their own weird wheels, not good, which is all part of the price.
4) Accuforce
Valid choice if you're in US/America region (cheaper). Average but solid FFB for a DD. People notice in blind tests that it's inferiour, still way better than CSL DD. The unique part and the only real reason to get it is that you can use custom FFB based on telemetry, if you're into making your own FFB. I think the problem is still that the fidelity of the motor is not the best (in comparison to DD1, Simucube 2 or a great DIY motor)
5) custom DIY / origional simucube
A lot choices, but tinkering required. With good motors (Lenzer, Kollmorgen) might be worth it. Software might be dated, which is also important. Probably not the best choice nowadays. I wanted to go that route, maybe some day.
1) Simucube 2
This is the base with the best FFB, in all my research and testing, and I own Pro version. Sport version is a real downgrade in everything (slower is the most critical factor, not weaker), I don't recommend it. I also have access to Ultimate version which is better, but probably not noticable (I could compare it closely one day). Great Quick release with no wobble or movement. Not the cheapest but worth it for a proper simulation as yours. Also, there is trust in the company and ecosystem, improvement based on original simucube which is still great. The only "negative" point is that it's not default as Fanatec as for now.
If you'd ask me, for what you have and do, I'd say get a Simucube 2 Pro (it's worth it), or DD1 (if you're into Fanatec). Other stuff is kind of risky and inferior.
Oh WOW!! Now that's a fantastic comment and great advice.. Thank you for all of it. I printed out the comment so I can read through it a few times today. Still have not ordered a wheelbase yet but man, I really appreciate the insight.. Hard to tell unless someone like you has tested a bunch of different bases. Thanks again! Dang! Great! Dave
Ok.. so here is my 'thought' process. You might appreciate it too.. after comparing weight of all those wheelbases, The big boys come in at like 20#.. I am designing this rig (and the 6DOFcarbon rig next year) to take advantage of power to weight so the weight of components is a big consideration. There are two DD options which only weight 10#.. simucube or the CSL DD. What I am thinking of doing is for this project getting the CSL DD. BUT, in a different series in 2023 doing an OSW build using the Midge motor so I can actually get a Simicube 20nm at 10 pounds.. That's my thought process. I would be a good 'series' build if I can pull it off.. I'm researching on xsimulator.net right now and collecting the 'data' etc I need for the OSW build.. *a bit daunting software wise* but I'm a newby, so I study up a bit.. What u think? Dave
@@DMAX_DIY Seems like you'd have many of those complete rigs. Are you selling those or are you collecting them? Is weight difference that big in comparison to total weight (I guess 5-10%)? CSL DD without Power Pack (reduced Nm) might be weaker/worse than CSL Elite. With Power Pack it might be not much better than CSL Elite. OSW is fun for tinkering, but end result depends on the motor, controller, encoder, software etc.
correction: 5% weight difference, assuming moving parts and driver total weight 100kg
@@gintonic9127 I'm just having fun.. i like building stuff. So with this newer rig, I really wanted to keep the weight down. i actually have carbon fiber to rework the top frame if i like the way it turns out in metal first. actually could not find a csl dd this week. so still without for now. the actual worst thing is the pedal set. the v3's weight is way out on the end. i'm posting another video tonight. mostly done.. Thanks for all your thoughts on this.. i dindnt realize it would be difficult to find one to purchase.. I have seen quite a few DD1's on the market. but still not sure on the weight.. dave
Thanks Dave! I love your channel. Your videos inspired me to build a sim rig of for myself over the last couple months and I have a question I'm hoping you can help with. When testing my rig using SMC3, the motors move faster in one direction vs the opposite. The difference varies between motors even. One moter moves faster clockwise, one counter. I posted a video of the issue, if you have any ideas feedback I would appreciate it. Keep on building! Thanks! th-cam.com/video/lbaYWlXDIS0/w-d-xo.html