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BigDWiz What a sad day! JLAudio is now being made in China?!?!?!?😠😔😡😠😡 This is some straight up 🐂 💩! So, JL is lying about some of their products and where they are being made! Miramar, FL my foot!!!! THIS is one of things that just makes become just IRATE!!!!!!😠😡😠😡😠 Why don't these start telling the truth about #1 where their products are actually being made #2 Just stop lying to customers and potential customers period!!!! Dan how hard is it to tell the Damn truth!!!!! That goes for legends car audio companies like Kicker and Rockford Fosgate, Precision Power,Orion, and Soundstream,and Pheonix Gold,etc etc!!! There needs to be a change within the Car Audio community and that is to demand high quality car audio equipment for decent and fair prices and be proudly bulit in U.S.A!!!! Again, what is so hard about asking for name in the U.S.A!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 I apologize for the long comment/rant but hearing about JL being made in China just disgusted me. Make Car Audio Great Again!!!!! Again, I apologize to Big D Wiz and everyone else for taking far too long but seeing that made in China sticker on the bottom of that JL amp just hurt my ♥️😭!
BigDWiz yes I wanna see how the t2 is. I have 2 rxd t2 (new models ) in a box. Just waiting to be installed after I collect more equipment. Can't wait.
I am really interested in hearing your opinions of the JL vs the competition. I currently run the 1200/1 but have been looking at stepping up to a 3-5k Brazilian but I am worried about sound quality which the JL's seem to be taking care of very well.
Great Video Dwiz This is one of those amps you have to look deep down at the specs. Its a rock solid SQ amp. >110 S/N ratio, huge dampening factor, 0.03 THD, specs not seen on all the amps that do a lot more power for a lot less money. Its one of those that there is many other reasons for its price tag, power output aside. It takes high end parts and extensive engineering to achieve specs like this so your parts cost and development costs are well out of the ordinary from taking an existing board and putting your name on it. I was surpirsed that it was made in China though, but JL is so large that I am certain they have their own internal and external quality control to be sure the amps performances are always up to their par and most likely and literally throw away the ones that do not perform to specs. Many will look at this as its an over priced amp, (per wattage) but at the end of the day, if anyone saw what the expense would be to make a 5k amp for example, perform to these specs S/N AND THD specs people would be insulted by the price. Its one of those, in todays market people look for quantity over quality, and most of the time do not want to pay the difference for the quality. Yes there is quality amps with quantity, but you will pay the difference. Parts quality also plays a huge role in reliability. You can get the cheapest amp that does rated power, but its likely it'll be in and out of repair due to poor parts tolerances, and if not great, but you deal with higher odds. An authorized brick and mortar JL dealer will also likely just hand you a brand new amp under the circumstances of a warranty issue user error or not. Concluding this there is so much more than meets the eye here that many people do not know about or understand behind the scenes, and my reply is to try go give a simple understanding of some of the things you'll never think about searching for the most power for the cheapest price. I do not run or sell JL, I do not compete in sound quality. I just hope this opens some eyes to look at the entire picture.
I believe Fosgates are made in China, just designed in the USA. There is a reason why the Power series costs way more than the Prime. You are right, you do get what you pay for. In electronics, better parts can add up quick. Also, many times there are more parts in better amps.
What I like about the HD line is the consistent power across the supported ohm loads. In the Challenger, I run a VXi 800/8i for a full active setup on the mids and highs. It also provides a DSP'd sub pre out to the HD1200 that powers two 12w6v3 subs. Because the subs only come as 4 Ohm DVC, I still got the 1200w rms I needed @4 ohms. The system sounds amazing.
This actually makes a lot of sense why my system sounds so good in my little Chevy Tracker. I didn’t realize these amps were good down to 10.9 volts. I’m running a 12w7 with an HD750. All stock electrical (70 amp alternator, cheap wet cell battery, no big 3 upgrade). Just 4 gauge ofc power and ground wires. I’ve been planning on doing electrical upgrades, but now I’m questioning if that will even help anything.
Solid amp for sure, but I’m not digging that giant power block sticking out the side... and the closeness of the power and ground. I am however excited for the in car comparison! Fuse pops are Big D’s kryptonite 🤪😂🤪
I have the HD1200 and previously ran a DD M2a(2400 w @1 ohm, 1200 w @ 2ohm) I have it powering a 2ohm load and i can say that after impedance rise that the JL outperforms the DD amp in power easy. Also the DD amp has a noticiable softness to the sound or lack of clarity when compared to the hard hitting, ultra clean sound of the JL. I was on the fence on just keeping the DD amp but after some length ear listening to both amps, the JL gives that ultra clean and hard hitting sound that i crave. If you want to run the DD m2a at .5 ohm or even 1 ohm sure you will get alot of amp for the money, which btw is still a great amp but I think the JL is better in SQ easily. So all the people hating who try to convince you that there is better amps for the money haven't done proper testing. You pay alot for premium products and thats simply put.
Um what bout us Old school Orion guys, a XTR 1500.1 can be had for $240-$300 online and if thats not in the same power range @ the 3ohms then the XTR 2500.1 which is like $100 more than 1500.1.. and not for nothin JL really?? @least the orion XTR's are made in Korea, I don't know who's smokin the crack over ther @ JL but if u want to put price tag double that of the other old school brands it better say made in the USA otherwise cut that price way down if u use Korean boards & even way more for china, just sayin that china sticker along with the power inputs & that price tag is going to kill the marketability of that amp.. im harsh but come on it's completely opposite of what one would expect coming from JL audio
Mike McCabe I'd have to agree. It's made in China, it's inefficient and power hungry, and it's double to quadruple the price of competing brands. Sure it looks nice, may have quality components, and it says JL on it (for what that's worth) and it may very well be a long lasting dependable amp. It could be claimed to be top tier in sound quality and may very well be true or not but this is also a class D mono amp that will most definitely power subwoofers so the difference in sound quality verses other quality amps (at half the price or less) would most likely never ever be noticed without an oscilloscope or other testing equipment. Especially if it's in the trunk of a car. I'm not mad at this amp and I'd be happy to own one but I can't justify the price for what it seems you're getting.
The thing is people buy them, so they will keep on making them. Just bought the 1200/1v3 over the hd1200 because the HD series is just so power hungry compared to the slash series.
Corey Y Oh absolutely man. There's no reason for them to discontinue such a high profit margin line of amps if people are buying them. Don't get me wrong I love stuff, especially high quality nice gear. This just doesn't compute to me, but that's just me. I've been wrong before.
knuckleuprambo neither is the jl audio orion is an old school brand so I said to include a amp from ther lineup as well I didnt say the 1500.1 was old school I said to include it
the cost is in the technology on the amp. it does its true rated power at everyday driver power, without upgrades to your electrical. the price tag is for no matter what, you have true power.
Being made in China is not a problem if JL has a very good quality assurance program. I'll be very interested in seeing and hearing your appraisal of all those amps in your car on your very own woofer. It will be something new and exciting to see something more than amp dyno pulls on your channel! Great work BigD!!
JL has their own build house and it's bespoke technology, no other company has their amp technology from the XD series and up. Made in China isn't always a bad thing.
$1100, made in China, dumb power/remote/ground block, not of fan of the non adjustable subsonic filter, level knob not included. You have to take a screw off to get to the amp adjustments, but you're meant to be moving the amp around so much you have to disconnect your power often? I don't get this. For $1100 you would expect a more ergonomic and smart design. Rockford would be the way to go with the T1500 even if I'm not sure it comes with a level knob.
I actually liked that no matter the power it was receiving, it still gave you 1200 watts minimum so it does its rated power with out needing to go crazy with power voltage just to accomplish that goal. I think the R.I.P.S Technology is pretty solid but i agree that price is steep and its more now for 2020. Prices of everything car audio related has gone up from before making it more difficult for the average consumer to own good gear.
I'm with hifivega, not too impressed with the value. Especially being made in China. And the first thing I thought when I saw the connectors is that they would be a big fat negative.
Definitely a solid amplifier, yes the price is a little out there but you’ve got to realize this is a really good sq amplifier with a signal to noise ratio of 110db and thd is 0.03%. Yes you can pick up a 7k for around the same price or even cheaper but signal to noise ratio will be around 85/90db and thd Will be around 0.1%. I still think the price is a little bit on the higher end though, I have seen other amplifiers with similar specs around 750/$900. if you’re looking for a ground pounder amplifier then this isn’t what you’re looking for, this is for someone who wants a sql setup. Now what I really wish JL audio would go ahead and do is combine the hd Siri’s in the vxi Siri‘s together and make a great sq amp with dsp built in, include the same control knob that comes with the vxi Siri’s and keep the Price the same or maybe lower it by $100 or so... I would be a JL audio fan boy for sure then...
i like the engineer inside this amp, I refer to the fact that independent of the input voltage or the impedance value (1.66 to 4) the output wattage is the same, amazing! thanks for the video
One of the beniffits of the RIPS power supply system is that the amp will produce approximately the same power any voltage, and any impedance. Literally the one other test you could have done, and didn't do, a voltage difference, would show that this amp technology sets it apart from everything else. Next you time do a test, do everything at a lower (real world) voltage test. Run the voltage down to 12.5 volts and watch other amps plummet in output....away from their ratings. Part of the RIPS curcuit/design is that in real world tests in a vehicle, the output stays the same whether the car is on the freeway or at a stop light. That way the customer never gets less then the rated output.no matter what their car is doing. That....is why this amp costs more. Hey, plus, they sound really good! 😁
Couldn’t have said it better!! Most people just look at the price tag and say they can get a lot more for less money when they don’t realize how unique the RIPS tech is! I drive a 4Runner, and most Toyota’s charging systems run at 13.8V when it’s warming up with a higher idle, then drops down to 13.2v. So with a standard amp, you are already getting less power. A lot less power depending on which non regulated amps. The JL HD stays the same no matter what, even down to 11 volts
Just did a test swapping out my Dd M2a 2400 watts at 1 ohm, gave it 1 ohm load set gains and it still was not as loud as a 1200 watt jl hd. You would have to wire down to .5 ohm to get any performance out of that DD M2a. I’ve done and it’s loud but def not as clean as the Jl. So consider this do you want new subs that you can wire to .5 ohms and use inferior sound quality amps? Or use your current subs and get true 1200 watts and be amazed?
This amps internals or parts is well capable of being a 2k watt amp but Jl doesn't want it's amp pushed past 60% power the only thing I don't like about them.
iPhones are made in China, and I can GUARANTEE you most people commenting are rocking an iPhone even though there are plenty of Androids phones are that are far cheaper and far superior to the iPhone. But we buy them anyway because they are nicer phones. At least thats the perception. Ive been around alot of those HD amps and they are top notch. Yes you can get more power for the dollar. But like the Mercedes analogy, your getting a proper product. Well built, well designed, an American company that stands behind it (and they do, seen it first hand). Theyre just nice amps. Buck a watt was the standard for years as the line between good and not so good. Weve been showered for years by "Cheap" big power, low price, low quality amps. So much so that amp lines like this, and Boland and Linear Power have an uphill battle selling a 150 x 2 channel amp for $1000+ plus. Stick one of those CAB amps beside the JL and see which lasts longer. And yes I know the Boland and Linear are hand built which help to justify the cost, but can you justify your 1000 iphone? Its made in China too
+BigDWiz One a side note. Youve got a W7 from the same company. The same thought process could be applied to it. There are many, many subwoofers that will do exactly the same or better for way less cash. But you know and I know, the W7 is a much better woofer, so thats the one we chose (W6 in my case) ALSO: not comin down on you D You DA MAN!!!! Just voicing opinion
Sorry to say but JL isn't as reliable as u stated. People don't buy JL for reliability,it seems more like bragging right. The mtx 9500 are more reliable in my opinion and cost less, they also take more power.
@@casio5658 and will lose 100's of watts with impedance rise 🤷🏾♂️ I currently have a skar amp you defninty get what you pay for. JL is expensive for a reason
I always use to say, "not every watt is created equally". Not sure where I heard it, probably a magazine 25-30 years ago. A lot of factors go into sound reproduction that 90 percent of the average Joe's will overlook. Most people look at Best Deal/Price mixed with how many watts. They never even thought about to take in Signal to Noise ratio, THD, Damping factor, etc. Keep it up D, the video's are Awesome. R/Kosmo
I had another great Pawn Shop find on this amp. It was priced $200. It still had wires sticking out the inputs like someone cut it off and sold it. I was skeptical but that darn thing worked. It was like new with a 2021 date sticker.
The Rockford T1500 should out perform that JL amp any day of the week. Plus it looks much nicer and doesn’t use shitty wire connectors. Those things are a joke on the JL.
If the connectors were a problem, don`t you think JL would have changed or removed them all together from the HD amps after more than a decade on the market. Just asking.
CDP did you watch video? Have you used these amps? The connectors are stupid just like the old PPI amps. Wire works its way loose. Their marketing is to not show any pics of the crap.
Yes I watched the video, yes I have and use these amps, and no, the wire does not work loose if it`s properly inserted into the connector and the wire is the proper size. I`m using the HD600`s and the HD750. 4 gauge NVX power wire, which is the same size as JL`s 4 gauge wire and it fits perfect in the connectors and has never come loose.
CDP 4 gauge wire is not the same as 0 gauge. LOL seriously, let me know what you think of the crap once you step up to hd1200 and some real power wire. I can’t take anyone serious that uses CCA wire.
Dude, either you`re blind, can`t read, or you`re just making up your own reality show because at no point and time did I ever say anything about using CCA wire so how can I or anyone else take "you serious" when you`re saying stuff that I never said. Plus, my comment/reply was about the actual connector plugs not being a problem on the HD amps.With that being sai, it`s obvious you have never used or know anything about NVX power wire because they don`t use or even offer CCA power wire. Yes, I know 4 gauge wire is not the same as 0 gauge wire and to also help you understand why I use 4 gauge power wire.....that`s the size that JL recommends not to mention that`s the size the fits into the connector. As I said, i`m using three other HD amps and the HD1200 is an awesome amp but I don`t need or want a 1200 watt sub amp for just two 10" TW3`s. I do use 0 gauge, again NVX, into a fused distribution block with four 4 gauge outputs.
Everyone talking about how you can get a 1200w monoblock for way less with more power. Although that is true, can you find one that will do the same amount of power at 3ohms to push a 13w7 or the same power at 4 ohms? That can give you a lot of flexibility to push different type of subwoofer configurations. On top of that many amp can match the sq coming out of this amp.
In my previous vehicle, I had JL Audio amps (500/1 and 300/2). I was extremely satisfied with them, even if I had to save my money for a LONG time to get them. My current ride's system uses Skar amps, (RP75.4 and RP800.1d) and I like them every bit as much as the JL amps. (Roughly $1,000 for 800 JL watts vs. $270 for 1,100 Skar watts)
Yes, JL`s place in the market is seen and considered as a higher end brand and with the status comes a higher price and this same logic applies to everything which is the reason he mentioned a Honda, Mercedes, and a BWW. I`m not sure how much in licensing/royalty fees JL has to pay to PowerPhysics Inc. out of Newport Beach, CA for their "exclusive" use of Single Cycle Control TM in all four of the HD amps but you better believe those fees plus a profit is reflected in the price of the HD amps. Just like cell phones, people complain about the cost of an iPhone compared to a top if the line Galaxy and what one gets and yet people still buy them and this also applies to JL products.
People may say that the amp is expensive, but until budget brands like Soundstream, audiopipe, Rockville etc, come out with their own “R.I.P.S” technology, jl audio and rockford fosgate will have a reason to charge more for the ability to not lose wattage due to impedance rise and voltage drop. That’s my rant. Great video as always!! I can’t wait for the in car comparisons.
I’ve been eager to do in car tests for a while and although I don’t have a 160dB plus system, it is a nice daily system that most people would be happy with and I still have a lot of trunk 😬
I wish JL would release some of their old, bubble come subwoofers. I always loved those growing up. DAMN. Went to send this message and the damn fuse popped. Heart attack food.
I sold my Jl audio hd 12000 i bought a Rockford fosgate t 1500 /1 ... the differences is the sound quality hd 1200 is better. For power and money saving the Power t1500 is better.
Tried this amp before I got my alpine. It was alright and sound good but I believe over priced. Also the power and ground plug sucks. My pdx hits harder in my opinion
I replaced my hd1200 with an Alpine PDX-M12 the 2nd time the amp broke down on me. Much better SQ & reliability from the Alpine & it cost me far less than the JL.
@@j.savage1228 I also did an install for a guy and was stoked to hear this amp. After a week the infamous blinking light came on (this seems to be a common default with these amps) switched to the M12 and all good now. The efficiency of these amps and the XD models are also red flags given they boast about their efficiency.
@@dmoreno762 sound quality. Yes. I like Rockford's sound over jl. I got an t-500 that does 1000 RMS n more and a JL slash v3 1200. Biggest and baddest amp JL makes.
You're going to make alot of JL fanboys mad if you''re not praising JL. You can get 1 Rockford Power T2500-1, 1 Orion HCCA8000.1D, 1 Ampere Audio AA-5000.1, or 1 Crescendo Audio BC5500D... I get it, most don't need that kind of power. just giving a contrast.
I’m a fanboy of JL subs for sure, but I leave myself independent on the amp front. Lots of good ones out there for sure and wow the difference in pricing 😱
Those who jump in on the JL wagon are followers. Want to wear Nike shoes like the rest. Over priced for the dollar. Reminds me of old school days when it was a $1 per watt.
BigDWiz Speaking of wallets BigDWiz, I found a crazy deal on eBay for 3000 farad caps. Somebody has 30 of them for $130 or something crazy. You should look into it for the test bench. Extremely cheap for 5 more banks of caps.
Almost $1/watt for compact, ohm-stable Class D power. Reliable and compact; that’s what they’re charging for. Definitely in for real world in-car comparisons! This could be a defining factor on the value vs. price of this amp. 👍
Ran slash series back in the day.. they were the only Amps at the time outside the liquid cooled Phoenix golds that wouldn’t clip or shut down from extreme heat in the summer.. since the slash came out in like 01-02 they been the most consistent brand of amps I’ve had the pleasure of working with.. not the most watt to cost but they are built like tanks. Always been worth the price.. I beat 4 1000/1’s for 5 years everyday and still sold them working like new.. now my daughter is about to start driving and I’m going to hook her up 😅
im not impressed with an amp that costs that much and yet is made in china, there are far too many other quality amps that dont have that big of a price tag on them and will perform as well or better for the money. but thanks for the video, its great to see the truth
>where it’s made means nothing Unless you like to actually have a job. For that kind of money, there's no excuse to not be made in America. Mmats and Linear Power do it. At the *very* least, not made in some totalitarian Communist shithole. $80 amps made in China? Sure, I get it. I actually bought a couple of Rockford Fosgates recently. But at that high end, premium price point, they could be made in Miramar, Florida, giving Americans jobs.
And why is that because you and many others would still be complaining about the price of the amp because it would indeed be higher and the next thing many would be saying is that it needs to be made overseas so the price would be cheaper.
I've always stuck with JL because of their consistency. I've never gotten a bad JL product. I've gotten blown Kicker subs straight from the factory, burnt out or faulty Fosgate Amps, the only brand that has been consistently superb out of the box has been JL. I currently run a HD1200 with 2 W7 AE 12's and I'm pushing 129 DB with a vented box. I love my set up. I did have 3 kicker IX 1000's with 3 Solo Baric L7 15's. The bass was deep and thunderous, but it did not sound nearly as good as my W7's.
@@chrisjones6165 And the 5k wont have even close to as good as sound quality as this, sure it would blow this away with power but it sure wont sound as clean, these are SQ amps
@@in2quads and the m12 is 1 ohm stable. Although with decreased dampening factor defeating the sq need. They just rate it 1200rms 2-4 ohm. But after rise i been clamping 1100rms at 13.2v
Some would argue that Alpine, Kicker, and Rockford are overpriced as well! But they have been in business for around 40 years Alpine even more, and are still bringing out new innovative products. Some of the brands listed in the comments are very new, one is only 5 years old. While they bring solid equipment they are using designs, engineering, and built parts that the big boys brought us 20 or 30 years ago. The only difference is they are beefing them up to put out more power. So honestly we are comparing apples to Oranges, each has it's place, it just matters what's important to you. What you want, what your after. One isn't necessarily better or worse. Sorry for taking up so much space I just had to get it out there!
I kinda reject the premise. I've commented before that JL in the UK have shot their prices up by 30-50% over the pass few years for no apparent reason. I notice this soon after the Brexit Vote that JL along with other brands ... all of a sudden, jumped in price. If there are marked improvements or new technology, then I would agree with your comments. However when one is paying for a £300 widget which used to be £200 a while ago for no apparent upgrades, then you've gotta ask yourself if that's good VFM. *I really, really ... really love JL*, but for example (subs) I bought the JL Audio CP108 enclosed sub for £219. Now you'll pay £319 and there's no difference in performance. That's one heck of a price hike! As for the HD amp, they used to go in the low £600's. Now they're near £800 (779). Again one has to ask; What am i getting for an extra £150-200 that I'm paying, in comparison to the price a few year ago? Answer; Nothing!!! Doesn't sound good to me. I would still buy into the JX and XD models at a push, but when the price for the HD amps has gone up by over £150 for no improvement, that's a hard pill to swallow. Morel, Alpine, DD, Hybrid Audio, Sound Cubed, Sundown etc, etc, all keep their prices or bring out new and improved. JL - 30-50% price hike for same product. Same for JL subs. The 8W7 is now £500 = $700 for an 8". That's a lot of 'splash' when you've got the likes of Sundown X-8 for $200. OK, we in the UK can't get are hands on half the gear you in the U.S. can, but more and more, I'm struggling to justify JL Audio. I still love them, but your paying twice over the price of a Rolls Royce/Bentley money, for what is an Merc E-Class brand. That just doesn't make sense. Its OK to be nostalgic, but not at this price!
TransmissionLineDesigns the 8W7 is $500 USD so I'm guessing it has a tariff on it as well as the other JL products and other brands going up in your country. I know that tariff's have been an issue between our countries for awhile. I made a knife for a friend in the UK and when I sent it to him he had to pay a huge charge for something that was a gift. I can understand why you would shy away from products that are high priced, I was just pointing out a few reasons they could justify being higher. The market will determine the price. If people keep buying they won't change, but if people stop buying the prices will come down to compete.
Rips Tech was developed from an idea I had with modifying my Soundstream Ref705 amplifier. I worked at 007 Systems in Ft Lauderdale at the time. We were a Jl audio dealer and had frequent visits from personnel from JL. The idea was that, my amplifier, Ref 705, was rated at 50wx4 @4ohm and 100wx4 @2ohm. The sub channel was rated at 200w @4ohm, 300w@2 ohm and 400w@1ohm.. Im a purist when it comes to car audio. I ran the Pioneer DEX-P1R head. Tuned ported kick pods(70hz) with Pioneers top of the line components of the time. With the 3 way Xovers of the P1R, I ran 2 channels of the 705 to the front tweets and 2 channels to the front mids. I ran the SPL160 15in sub in 3cu tuned to 27hz(2 4in ports about 23in long) Most people that had the same amp would have front and rear speakers and whatever subs they decided on. The amp had a switch to select high or low current for the sub channel. Well if you wanted to get 100w from each of the satellite mids n high channels, you had to use 2 sets of speakers in the front and 2 sets in the back to operate the channels at 2ohm to get that 100w per channel. Wasnt much of any 2ohm mids and tweets back then. In my case my sub was 2 4ohm coils which did not pull the full power from the sub channel.. But most people just had 1 front set and 1 rear set and didnt get all the power they were paying for...... $1200 for the REF705 at the time. So I modified the power supply. It was a loosely regulated supply, so the rail voltages sit at a much higher level with no input than they do at rms continuous voltage levels. The high current and high power switch only changed the number of secondary windings on the transformer for the sub channel rail voltages. So I decided to rewind the transformer to increase the mid n high rail voltages(mid 30s volts to 48v with a power input of 15.9v, provided by a Jacobs Accuvolt 1500) And also I ditched the switch and wound the sub rail secondary to 48v also. This gave me 100w x 4 and 500w rms x1. One more thing that needed to be done was to change out the zener diodes that lowered the rail voltage for the +15v and -15v regulators for the preamp circuits, as the max input of the regulator chips was like 35v, so the zener value needed to be higher for the higher rail voltages. I soldered them to the heat sink side of the board as they were too hot on the top side for the mod. Joe from the marketing department at JL had doubted my work. He had heard my system before the mods. Then he had heard it after. About a month later he said that they were going to make my dream amp. An amp that measured the ohm load of the speakers and then it automatically adjusted the rail voltages accordingly, to get all the power of the amp into what ever load was applied. But, even with similar amp power, the 705 cracked the whip on the JL amps, as they were more regulated in the power supply than the Soundstreams of the time. My sub channel could pop well over 1500w initial peaks, let alone over 200w of the same to the satellite channels, due to the loosely regulated power supply. Music is as you say, dynamic, for the most part. So the Soundstreams had a great advantage over regulated supply amps of the time, such as JL, Precision Power, etc. when it came to rated power scales. The mastermind of these old school amps was Wade Stewart, who came from designing concert amps. Not sure if he is still around, but last I heard he was doing repairs specifically on the amps he had designed back then. Mags
Still have the Ref705 in modified condition. For more power these days, I really like the pioneer champ series amps. The Pioneer Champ Pro 12 sub is a serious little monster that I believe most overlook as you can get them for less than $100 on ebay or amazon. The 96db sensitivity rating is the number to pay attn to. My bud has 6 PSI 15in subs run with 3 5kw Incriminator amps. 4 batteries, 2 alternators, 3 big cap banks, blow through bandpass in a Toyota tundra. I told him to go with 6 Pioneer champ pro 12s and 3 of the GM9601 amps. Didnt believe that $1000 in equip could come close to his over $10000 in equipment. So I told him I was going to build it in my buddies Scion XB. A day later he asked what size enclosures and he was going to do it in his buds suv to show me it wont work. 3cu ft each tuned to 25hz(1 4in port 16in long for each sub chamber. Total 6 ports). And he did. It was louder. Stock alternator, single stock battery and no caps. 2 weeks later he ripped it all out of his buds truck to send it in for repair. Ripped the roof of the suv at the seams. ;) But he still has the mentality that more money means more people lined up to sit in his truck. lol Sobeit. The tundra needs nearly 40kw on the 6 psi subs to do the same as the Champ Pro 12s at 5kw. Murder by numbers. PSI subs are 88.5db@1w vs Pio Champ Pro 12 96db@1w With the 3cu ft tuned at 25hz, 1 pio 12 you can hear 18hz loud and clear in the Scion. His girlfriend made him take it out and said, What, are you in high school again? So we toned it down to a 1.5 sealed and she let him keep it. lol Mags
JL is overpriced. I've ran it years ago. But for the money you can do way better. I got 4.5k for 900 bucks. But for the JL fans and people that think everything expensive is the best. It's for you. If they run JL they probably have a iPhone also 😭😭😭
Trapperjohn1000 I’ve had 2 androids before (moto x and Samsung galaxy) and both of them had issues within about a year and a half. Audio and graphics bugs, crashing apps and just general slowing down. I have an iPhone 6s that I’ve had for 3 years now without any problems besides a shorter battery life (normal for lithium batteries). Just my 2 cents...
I have a question for you BigDWiz...how does one accomplish a 1.5 ohm / 3 ohm load on a single speaker? I've never seen a speaker rated at 1.5/3/6 etc...
I'm all for "premium" brands touting the specs and design of there product s but seriously for that inefficiency and poor design the price is not justifiable. RIPS™ or not. For that amount of money I can get better.
I've been saying JL is overpriced for a decade+. I realize they're suppose to be "high end". But brother, they don't offer much a competitor doesn't for much less money. Regulated power supplies, all the protection circuitry, etc. JL is living off the equity built in their brand name. Even those new amps they just unveiled......bfd...... bunch of other companies offer the same stuff for half the price they're trying to charge.
There’s a big difference between made in China and being designed in the US. All the Chinese companies do for the big name brands is use an robot to rapidly place the electronic components on the circuit board and bake the components on the circuit board to the solder points. Which is just like soldering. A lot of the newer companies just use an off the shelf type of China/Korean amp with no innovation or quality what so ever.
This is not one of your run-of-the-mill skar RP Audiopipe Chinese board actual R&D went into this board you're not going to find it in any other amplifier
Dibeezy ThaGifted ive been for years great video in 06 i went rickford t2 power stuff my boy went jl audio w7 stuff i regret it now im onto American bass and deaf bonce im sooooo over jl fuckford bullshit. Im not that high... yet!!
Tammy Forbes True about jl SQ but a SQ amp from China!? No thanks. I'll go b2 audio from Denmark or even Alpine from Japan. SQ through subwoofers isn't as noticeable as it is in mids and tweets. I have extremely sensitive hearing so signal noise really bugs me. I also like to hear instruments in certain music and I agree that amps like zapco, and JL are great but damn! There's just as good for less imo
Second time i have seen you on a video comments bashing jl audio you just do t know what quality is lol keep running your garbage amps, its a sq amp ya you pay for sq,let me guess you run sundown and think they are gods greatest gift to the audio world smh jl makes the jx line that's in your price range😉
I have a few jl amps and they blow me away every time I first install them I put a jl audio xd600/1v2 on a sundown 12 rated for 1500 watts and it put that sub to work and sounded amazing. Never gets hot and I've never blown one up even when over working them. There very robust and always perform.
I dont know much about car audio. What i do know is when i switched from alpine pdx amps to hd amps everything came alive and sounded just how i always hoped it would. Lucky me i bought the 1200 and the 600 for just $600 used
People always compare stuff to JL, ill say dollar per watt some stuff compares but as far as sound quality Nothing beats JL. I tried the same subs with Differnt amps ranging from orion, rockford, JL and somehow the JL rumbles the lows harder and the high bass notes sound tighter especially on rock and roll and raggae it never got sloppy. JL is the best if you value sound qaulity over everything for sure. The other stuffs good too just it doesnt sound as low like if u put a filter on ur phone music. And just cus its made in china doesnt mean nothing brands that say they make them here in the U.S. import all their materials from china and charge almost the price of JL so id rather have JL than these off brand brands.
Avraj Samra Yeah i forgot alpine l like them , their amps actually go on sale too pdx 600 for 200-300 the 1200 goes for 500 on sale you cant beat it honestly. Id say they are probably better than the HD line for bang for your buck, they have the new line of amps too i just dont like how they dont have options for fully parametric bass control like jl slash, Kicker KXA.
I love my 10W7. I traded a SA15 that I only paid $110 for and a birch box I built. I'm glad I found a Sundown fan boy because this thing is crazy, it hits harder and smoother than the 15 ever did at less power. I know you can't really compare the two because of price points but an sq 10 hitting harder than a spl brand 15 is crazy.
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BigDWiz What a sad day! JLAudio is now being made in China?!?!?!?😠😔😡😠😡 This is some straight up 🐂 💩! So, JL is lying about some of their products and where they are being made! Miramar, FL my foot!!!! THIS is one of things that just makes become just IRATE!!!!!!😠😡😠😡😠 Why don't these start telling the truth about #1 where their products are actually being made #2 Just stop lying to customers and potential customers period!!!! Dan how hard is it to tell the Damn truth!!!!! That goes for legends car audio companies like Kicker and Rockford Fosgate, Precision Power,Orion, and Soundstream,and Pheonix Gold,etc etc!!! There needs to be a change within the Car Audio community and that is to demand high quality car audio equipment for decent and fair prices and be proudly bulit in U.S.A!!!! Again, what is so hard about asking for name in the U.S.A!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 I apologize for the long comment/rant but hearing about JL being made in China just disgusted me. Make Car Audio Great Again!!!!! Again, I apologize to Big D Wiz and everyone else for taking far too long but seeing that made in China sticker on the bottom of that JL amp just hurt my ♥️😭!
BigDWiz yes I wanna see how the t2 is. I have 2 rxd t2 (new models ) in a box. Just waiting to be installed after I collect more equipment. Can't wait.
BigDWiz you should do the XXX amplifier
I am really interested in hearing your opinions of the JL vs the competition. I currently run the 1200/1 but have been looking at stepping up to a 3-5k Brazilian but I am worried about sound quality which the JL's seem to be taking care of very well.
BigDWiz what do u think of the JL HD900/5?
I've had mine for 10 years. Never letting it go!
@@jaelawrence1456 I wouldn't either for the office you paid the vx looks more promising
Great Video Dwiz
This is one of those amps you have to look deep down at the specs. Its a rock solid SQ amp. >110 S/N ratio, huge dampening factor, 0.03 THD, specs not seen on all the amps that do a lot more power for a lot less money. Its one of those that there is many other reasons for its price tag, power output aside. It takes high end parts and extensive engineering to achieve specs like this so your parts cost and development costs are well out of the ordinary from taking an existing board and putting your name on it. I was surpirsed that it was made in China though, but JL is so large that I am certain they have their own internal and external quality control to be sure the amps performances are always up to their par and most likely and literally throw away the ones that do not perform to specs.
Many will look at this as its an over priced amp, (per wattage) but at the end of the day, if anyone saw what the expense would be
to make a 5k amp for example, perform to these specs S/N AND THD specs people would be insulted by the price.
Its one of those, in todays market people look for quantity over quality, and most of the time do not want to pay the difference for the quality. Yes there is quality amps with quantity, but you will pay the difference.
Parts quality also plays a huge role in reliability. You can get the cheapest amp that does rated power, but its likely it'll be in and out of repair due to poor parts tolerances, and if not great, but you deal with higher odds.
An authorized brick and mortar JL dealer will also likely just hand you a brand new amp under the circumstances of a warranty issue user error or not.
Concluding this there is so much more than meets the eye here that many people do not know about or understand behind the scenes, and my reply is to try go give a simple understanding of some of the things you'll never think about searching for the most power for the cheapest price.
I do not run or sell JL, I do not compete in sound quality. I just hope this opens some eyes to look at the entire picture.
Agreed!
The best, most insightful comment I’ve seen! The one comment to rule them all 💪
I believe Fosgates are made in China, just designed in the USA. There is a reason why the Power series costs way more than the Prime. You are right, you do get what you pay for. In electronics, better parts can add up quick. Also, many times there are more parts in better amps.
One word: Reputation
That made in China part got me. Are these new hd amps on par with old slash amps?
What I like about the HD line is the consistent power across the supported ohm loads. In the Challenger, I run a VXi 800/8i for a full active setup on the mids and highs. It also provides a DSP'd sub pre out to the HD1200 that powers two 12w6v3 subs. Because the subs only come as 4 Ohm DVC, I still got the 1200w rms I needed @4 ohms. The system sounds amazing.
This actually makes a lot of sense why my system sounds so good in my little Chevy Tracker. I didn’t realize these amps were good down to 10.9 volts. I’m running a 12w7 with an HD750. All stock electrical (70 amp alternator, cheap wet cell battery, no big 3 upgrade). Just 4 gauge ofc power and ground wires.
I’ve been planning on doing electrical upgrades, but now I’m questioning if that will even help anything.
Solid amp for sure, but I’m not digging that giant power block sticking out the side... and the closeness of the power and ground. I am however excited for the in car comparison! Fuse pops are Big D’s kryptonite 🤪😂🤪
Popping caps all round here!
Gonna drop some supercaps from your dyno into your car for the tests? :) You'll be super impressed with how fast your car starts after!
So where's the in-car comparison vid?!
In car comparisons is a huge yes, I can’t wait.
I have the HD1200 and previously ran a DD M2a(2400 w @1 ohm, 1200 w @ 2ohm) I have it powering a 2ohm load and i can say that after impedance rise that the JL outperforms the DD amp in power easy. Also the DD amp has a noticiable softness to the sound or lack of clarity when compared to the hard hitting, ultra clean sound of the JL. I was on the fence on just keeping the DD amp but after some length ear listening to both amps, the JL gives that ultra clean and hard hitting sound that i crave. If you want to run the DD m2a at .5 ohm or even 1 ohm sure you will get alot of amp for the money, which btw is still a great amp but I think the JL is better in SQ easily. So all the people hating who try to convince you that there is better amps for the money haven't done proper testing. You pay alot for premium products and thats simply put.
Um what bout us Old school Orion guys, a XTR 1500.1 can be had for $240-$300 online and if thats not in the same power range @ the 3ohms then the XTR 2500.1 which is like $100 more than 1500.1.. and not for nothin JL really?? @least the orion XTR's are made in Korea, I don't know who's smokin the crack over ther @ JL but if u want to put price tag double that of the other old school brands it better say made in the USA otherwise cut that price way down if u use Korean boards & even way more for china, just sayin that china sticker along with the power inputs & that price tag is going to kill the marketability of that amp.. im harsh but come on it's completely opposite of what one would expect coming from JL audio
Mike McCabe
I'd have to agree. It's made in China, it's inefficient and power hungry, and it's double to quadruple the price of competing brands. Sure it looks nice, may have quality components, and it says JL on it (for what that's worth) and it may very well be a long lasting dependable amp. It could be claimed to be top tier in sound quality and may very well be true or not but this is also a class D mono amp that will most definitely power subwoofers so the difference in sound quality verses other quality amps (at half the price or less) would most likely never ever be noticed without an oscilloscope or other testing equipment. Especially if it's in the trunk of a car. I'm not mad at this amp and I'd be happy to own one but I can't justify the price for what it seems you're getting.
The thing is people buy them, so they will keep on making them. Just bought the 1200/1v3 over the hd1200 because the HD series is just so power hungry compared to the slash series.
Corey Y
Oh absolutely man. There's no reason for them to discontinue such a high profit margin line of amps if people are buying them. Don't get me wrong I love stuff, especially high quality nice gear. This just doesn't compute to me, but that's just me. I've been wrong before.
Info 1500.1 xtr isnot old school.
Sorry. The BEAST Is old school
knuckleuprambo neither is the jl audio orion is an old school brand so I said to include a amp from ther lineup as well I didnt say the 1500.1 was old school I said to include it
the cost is in the technology on the amp. it does its true rated power at everyday driver power, without upgrades to your electrical. the price tag is for no matter what, you have true power.
Being made in China is not a problem if JL has a very good quality assurance program.
I'll be very interested in seeing and hearing your appraisal of all those amps in your car on your very own woofer. It will be something new and exciting to see something more than amp dyno pulls on your channel!
Great work BigD!!
Honestly, I’m starting to feel a bit pidgin holed into the Dyno thing. I’m excited about doing other types of vids too
JL has their own build house and it's bespoke technology, no other company has their amp technology from the XD series and up. Made in China isn't always a bad thing.
$1100, made in China, dumb power/remote/ground block, not of fan of the non adjustable subsonic filter, level knob not included. You have to take a screw off to get to the amp adjustments, but you're meant to be moving the amp around so much you have to disconnect your power often? I don't get this. For $1100 you would expect a more ergonomic and smart design. Rockford would be the way to go with the T1500 even if I'm not sure it comes with a level knob.
I actually liked that no matter the power it was receiving, it still gave you 1200 watts minimum so it does its rated power with out needing to go crazy with power voltage just to accomplish that goal. I think the R.I.P.S Technology is pretty solid but i agree that price is steep and its more now for 2020. Prices of everything car audio related has gone up from before making it more difficult for the average consumer to own good gear.
I'm with hifivega, not too impressed with the value. Especially being made in China. And the first thing I thought when I saw the connectors is that they would be a big fat negative.
Connectors make for quick disconnects, but yeah, for sure make the amp require much more space for the install than you would assume by the size
The only people that seem to need quick disconnects on an amp are thieves.
Definitely a solid amplifier, yes the price is a little out there but you’ve got to realize this is a really good sq amplifier with a signal to noise ratio of 110db and thd is 0.03%. Yes you can pick up a 7k for around the same price or even cheaper but signal to noise ratio will be around 85/90db and thd Will be around 0.1%. I still think the price is a little bit on the higher end though, I have seen other amplifiers with similar specs around 750/$900. if you’re looking for a ground pounder amplifier then this isn’t what you’re looking for, this is for someone who wants a sql setup. Now what I really wish JL audio would go ahead and do is combine the hd Siri’s in the vxi Siri‘s together and make a great sq amp with dsp built in, include the same control knob that comes with the vxi Siri’s and keep the Price the same or maybe lower it by $100 or so... I would be a JL audio fan boy for sure then...
i like the engineer inside this amp, I refer to the fact that independent of the input voltage or the impedance value (1.66 to 4) the output wattage is the same, amazing! thanks for the video
Hello bigDwiz I love these videos you do it saves all of us tons of dough
And costs me 😬
One of the beniffits of the RIPS power supply system is that the amp will produce approximately the same power any voltage, and any impedance. Literally the one other test you could have done, and didn't do, a voltage difference, would show that this amp technology sets it apart from everything else. Next you time do a test, do everything at a lower (real world) voltage test. Run the voltage down to 12.5 volts and watch other amps plummet in output....away from their ratings. Part of the RIPS curcuit/design is that in real world tests in a vehicle, the output stays the same whether the car is on the freeway or at a stop light. That way the customer never gets less then the rated output.no matter what their car is doing. That....is why this amp costs more. Hey, plus, they sound really good! 😁
Couldn’t have said it better!! Most people just look at the price tag and say they can get a lot more for less money when they don’t realize how unique the RIPS tech is!
I drive a 4Runner, and most Toyota’s charging systems run at 13.8V when it’s warming up with a higher idle, then drops down to 13.2v.
So with a standard amp, you are already getting less power. A lot less power depending on which non regulated amps. The JL HD stays the same no matter what, even down to 11 volts
I have wanted to compare a pair of hd1200’s to my t2500-1bdcp for a while now. Bring on the comparison!
Just did a test swapping out my Dd M2a 2400 watts at 1 ohm, gave it 1 ohm load set gains and it still was not as loud as a 1200 watt jl hd. You would have to wire down to .5 ohm to get any performance out of that DD M2a. I’ve done and it’s loud but def not as clean as the Jl. So consider this do you want new subs that you can wire to .5 ohms and use inferior sound quality amps? Or use your current subs and get true 1200 watts and be amazed?
Great idea on the daily tests/listening results! Another great vid! Looking forward to the future tests!
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I work at a shop called Creative Car Tunes in Pennsylvania and I love when customers buy these amps to have them installed.
Nice! Thanks for watching and commenting
blkmustang007 - why do you love it ?
For sure on the meter and in car testing, take the channel up another level. Do it big d!
This amps internals or parts is well capable of being a 2k watt amp but Jl doesn't want it's amp pushed past 60% power the only thing I don't like about them.
Really nice amp but would take a fosgate power series amp any day.
The T1000 most likely matches the output of this amp, possibly more powerful
Wrong.
fat catt 39 No, Rockford Fosgate isn't made in the U.S.A. Their products are made in China just like the JL HD1200.
BigDWiz your probably right because of Jl's regulated power supply.
Hopefully not a BD-CP.
I have been a JL and a Rockford Fosgate fanboy 4 years I like mixing my JL speakers with my Rockford amps
iPhones are made in China, and I can GUARANTEE you most people commenting are rocking an iPhone even though there are plenty of Androids phones are that are far cheaper and far superior to the iPhone. But we buy them anyway because they are nicer phones. At least thats the perception. Ive been around alot of those HD amps and they are top notch. Yes you can get more power for the dollar. But like the Mercedes analogy, your getting a proper product. Well built, well designed, an American company that stands behind it (and they do, seen it first hand). Theyre just nice amps. Buck a watt was the standard for years as the line between good and not so good. Weve been showered for years by "Cheap" big power, low price, low quality amps. So much so that amp lines like this, and Boland and Linear Power have an uphill battle selling a 150 x 2 channel amp for $1000+ plus. Stick one of those CAB amps beside the JL and see which lasts longer. And yes I know the Boland and Linear are hand built which help to justify the cost, but can you justify your 1000 iphone? Its made in China too
+BigDWiz One a side note. Youve got a W7 from the same company. The same thought process could be applied to it. There are many, many subwoofers that will do exactly the same or better for way less cash. But you know and I know, the W7 is a much better woofer, so thats the one we chose (W6 in my case) ALSO: not comin down on you D You DA MAN!!!! Just voicing opinion
I’d put up my 1200 watt Kenwood Class D amp against any JL Audio amp for reliability. Hell, for power too !!!
Matt Bowles
Android is junk
Sorry to say but JL isn't as reliable as u stated. People don't buy JL for reliability,it seems more like bragging right. The mtx 9500 are more reliable in my opinion and cost less, they also take more power.
@@ericbachmann8037 i dont your kenwood amp will pouch 1200 at 4 ohms
Got two of these on two 13w7ae's..love them .
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I've always loved the JL Audio amps, they have an amazing design and delliver on their ratings each time
Pricey for a reason
For a quarter of the price I can get a skar amp that can handle way more power than this
@@casio5658 and will lose 100's of watts with impedance rise 🤷🏾♂️ I currently have a skar amp you defninty get what you pay for. JL is expensive for a reason
@@casio5658 speakers and subs need to "handle" power. Amplifiers provide the power.
I always use to say, "not every watt is created equally". Not sure where I heard it, probably a magazine 25-30 years ago. A lot of factors go into sound reproduction that 90 percent of the average Joe's will overlook. Most people look at Best Deal/Price mixed with how many watts. They never even thought about to take in Signal to Noise ratio, THD, Damping factor, etc. Keep it up D, the video's are Awesome. R/Kosmo
I had another great Pawn Shop find on this amp. It was priced $200. It still had wires sticking out the inputs like someone cut it off and sold it. I was skeptical but that darn thing worked. It was like new with a 2021 date sticker.
The Rockford T1500 should out perform that JL amp any day of the week. Plus it looks much nicer and doesn’t use shitty wire connectors. Those things are a joke on the JL.
If the connectors were a problem, don`t you think JL would have changed or removed them all together from the HD amps after more than a decade on the market. Just asking.
CDP did you watch video? Have you used these amps? The connectors are stupid just like the old PPI amps. Wire works its way loose. Their marketing is to not show any pics of the crap.
Yes I watched the video, yes I have and use these amps, and no, the wire does not work loose if it`s properly inserted into the connector and the wire is the proper size. I`m using the HD600`s and the HD750. 4 gauge NVX power wire, which is the same size as JL`s 4 gauge wire and it fits perfect in the connectors and has never come loose.
CDP 4 gauge wire is not the same as 0 gauge. LOL seriously, let me know what you think of the crap once you step up to hd1200 and some real power wire. I can’t take anyone serious that uses CCA wire.
Dude, either you`re blind, can`t read, or you`re just making up your own reality show because at no point and time did I ever say anything about using CCA wire so how can I or anyone else take "you serious" when you`re saying stuff that I never said. Plus, my comment/reply was about the actual connector plugs not being a problem on the HD amps.With that being sai, it`s obvious you have never used or know anything about NVX power wire because they don`t use or even offer CCA power wire. Yes, I know 4 gauge wire is not the same as 0 gauge wire and to also help you understand why I use 4 gauge power wire.....that`s the size that JL recommends not to mention that`s the size the fits into the connector. As I said, i`m using three other HD amps and the HD1200 is an awesome amp but I don`t need or want a 1200 watt sub amp for just two 10" TW3`s. I do use 0 gauge, again NVX, into a fused distribution block with four 4 gauge outputs.
Everyone talking about how you can get a 1200w monoblock for way less with more power. Although that is true, can you find one that will do the same amount of power at 3ohms to push a 13w7 or the same power at 4 ohms? That can give you a lot of flexibility to push different type of subwoofer configurations. On top of that many amp can match the sq coming out of this amp.
Not impressed for the price still like Orion XTR Amplifier
You might get 2 Orion xtr amps for the same price of that jl audio and even more power
Orion xtr2500dz.1 perfect amp
@@javierramirez9801 yup...got mine brand new with a lot more power for 1/3 the price of that JL ..lol
In my previous vehicle, I had JL Audio amps (500/1 and 300/2). I was extremely satisfied with them, even if I had to save my money for a LONG time to get them. My current ride's system uses Skar amps, (RP75.4 and RP800.1d) and I like them every bit as much as the JL amps. (Roughly $1,000 for 800 JL watts vs. $270 for 1,100 Skar watts)
Why is their such a big price difference on the jl amp compared to the skar ?
@@audioslave6076 Brand recognition and reputation. JL makes great products but they are not as great as the price would indicate.
Yes, JL`s place in the market is seen and considered as a higher end brand and with the status comes a higher price and this same logic applies to everything which is the reason he mentioned a Honda, Mercedes, and a BWW.
I`m not sure how much in licensing/royalty fees JL has to pay to PowerPhysics Inc. out of Newport Beach, CA for their "exclusive" use of Single Cycle Control TM in all four of the HD amps but you better believe those fees plus a profit is reflected in the price of the HD amps.
Just like cell phones, people complain about the cost of an iPhone compared to a top if the line Galaxy and what one gets and yet people still buy them and this also applies to JL products.
People may say that the amp is expensive, but until budget brands like Soundstream, audiopipe, Rockville etc, come out with their own “R.I.P.S” technology, jl audio and rockford fosgate will have a reason to charge more for the ability to not lose wattage due to impedance rise and voltage drop. That’s my rant. Great video as always!! I can’t wait for the in car comparisons.
I’ve been eager to do in car tests for a while and although I don’t have a 160dB plus system, it is a nice daily system that most people would be happy with and I still have a lot of trunk 😬
I wish JL would release some of their old, bubble come subwoofers. I always loved those growing up.
DAMN. Went to send this message and the damn fuse popped. Heart attack food.
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Love the in car test idea. Will be waiting patiently for them to be posted. Thanks, BigD!
I would like to see that punch 1500 amp Dyno I have one and always woundered how it did
Future vid will have Dyno test as well as in-Car results
I can't wait. Thanks for your videos I really enjoy watching them
where is the in car test video?? cant seem to find that video
I’m still waiting as well
I sold my Jl audio hd 12000 i bought a Rockford fosgate t 1500 /1 ... the differences is the sound quality hd 1200 is better. For power and money saving the Power t1500 is better.
Interesting, thanks 🤙
What does sound quality mean at 40hz? If it’s S/N you just get a over powered amp and put the gain low?
Are you purposely skipping the JL 1000/1v2 ?
Nice another great video Big D. Although for the price I would go with a power 1500.1 bd or something in that category.
Did you see my comparison amps shown after the test?
What size fuse should you be using on the power input wire? The biggest I had on hand was an ANL 120 amp fuse, but I blew that one really quickly
Tried this amp before I got my alpine. It was alright and sound good but I believe over priced. Also the power and ground plug sucks. My pdx hits harder in my opinion
Alpine makes high class amps too tho better than sundown but cheaper than JL
I replaced my hd1200 with an Alpine PDX-M12 the 2nd time the amp broke down on me. Much better SQ & reliability from the Alpine & it cost me far less than the JL.
@@j.savage1228 I also did an install for a guy and was stoked to hear this amp. After a week the infamous blinking light came on (this seems to be a common default with these amps) switched to the M12 and all good now. The efficiency of these amps and the XD models are also red flags given they boast about their efficiency.
Stop hating i got a jl jx 1000 with a re audio 15 xxx an boy i would freak u out
thats funny cause i went from a pdx to a hd and thought the hd was way better
Jl hd 1200 vs Rockford 1500. These are the two amps I'm looking into too, to run 2 w6v3 in a sealed box
Ill stick to my Fosgates and older Phoenix golds! Im guessing that Fosgate t 1500 will stomp a hole in that JL, power wise and sound quality.
Power? Yes
Sound quality? Nope.
@@dmoreno762
sound quality. Yes. I like Rockford's sound over jl. I got an t-500 that does 1000 RMS n more and a JL slash v3 1200. Biggest and baddest amp JL makes.
@@migascustomsounds3054 110 sn ratio, .03 thd and a large dampening factor on the JL, quality is a no for fosgate
@@fernandogonzalez5770 I prefer Rockford over anything JL has.
@@migascustomsounds3054 weird but to each their own
Im curious as to how the HD 600/4 would do on the Dyno.
yes
You're going to make alot of JL fanboys mad if you''re not praising JL.
You can get 1 Rockford Power T2500-1, 1 Orion HCCA8000.1D, 1 Ampere Audio AA-5000.1, or 1 Crescendo Audio BC5500D...
I get it, most don't need that kind of power. just giving a contrast.
I’m a fanboy of JL subs for sure, but I leave myself independent on the amp front. Lots of good ones out there for sure and wow the difference in pricing 😱
For the same price I am sticking with my Rockford Fosgate 2500 BDCP. Birth sheet says 3,553 & it’s not made in China 🤦♂️.
@Jon Rock where's it made?
Those amps just can't really fit the old school subs. Why? Lower ohm=more watts, but less output at higher resistances.
Those who jump in on the JL wagon are followers. Want to wear Nike shoes like the rest. Over priced for the dollar. Reminds me of old school days when it was a $1 per watt.
Gotta go Rockford Fosgate power t1000-1bdcp over this. Half the price, more performance, more efficient and just as clean.
AWESOME VIDEO AS ALWAYS BROTHER!!!
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Where is the next video reviewing the out come of this test.?
I have no problem paying around $500 for a solid amp but $1100 is a bit much
My wallet agrees 😊
BigDWiz Speaking of wallets BigDWiz, I found a crazy deal on eBay for 3000 farad caps. Somebody has 30 of them for $130 or something crazy. You should look into it for the test bench. Extremely cheap for 5 more banks of caps.
the RD1000/1 is an excellent alternative
You can buy a used one for around 500.
Almost $1/watt for compact, ohm-stable Class D power. Reliable and compact; that’s what they’re charging for.
Definitely in for real world in-car comparisons! This could be a defining factor on the value vs. price of this amp. 👍
I’m excited to try it. My in car tests have been delayed a bit, but I’ll get to them 👌
Love my jl 1000/1 v2
Does about the same power as this one and more heatsink to keep it cool
So crazy nothing has changed with the amplifiers and the price has just continued to go up.
I'll stick with Rockford, although they're still a little overpriced IMHO.
Ran slash series back in the day.. they were the only Amps at the time outside the liquid cooled Phoenix golds that wouldn’t clip or shut down from extreme heat in the summer.. since the slash came out in like 01-02 they been the most consistent brand of amps I’ve had the pleasure of working with.. not the most watt to cost but they are built like tanks. Always been worth the price.. I beat 4 1000/1’s for 5 years everyday and still sold them working like new.. now my daughter is about to start driving and I’m going to hook her up 😅
im not impressed with an amp that costs that much and yet is made in china, there are far too many other quality amps that dont have that big of a price tag on them and will perform as well or better for the money. but thanks for the video, its great to see the truth
Why would you test efficiency at ~14volts when RIPS the same at 11-14.5?
Because I use 14 volt batteries for my test bench. In car tests will result in lower voltages for sure
Made in China for that price. WTF
iPhones are a grand and made in China.....
Matt Bowles would also never own an overpriced iPhone either
Tammy Forbes fof that kinda money it should be made in America
>where it’s made means nothing
Unless you like to actually have a job.
For that kind of money, there's no excuse to not be made in America. Mmats and Linear Power do it. At the *very* least, not made in some totalitarian Communist shithole.
$80 amps made in China? Sure, I get it. I actually bought a couple of Rockford Fosgates recently. But at that high end, premium price point, they could be made in Miramar, Florida, giving Americans jobs.
And why is that because you and many others would still be complaining about the price of the amp because it would indeed be higher and the next thing many would be saying is that it needs to be made overseas so the price would be cheaper.
I've always stuck with JL because of their consistency. I've never gotten a bad JL product. I've gotten blown Kicker subs straight from the factory, burnt out or faulty Fosgate Amps, the only brand that has been consistently superb out of the box has been JL. I currently run a HD1200 with 2 W7 AE 12's and I'm pushing 129 DB with a vented box. I love my set up. I did have 3 kicker IX 1000's with 3 Solo Baric L7 15's. The bass was deep and thunderous, but it did not sound nearly as good as my W7's.
I use a 10W7 in my car and I love it
@@wal it’s definitely my favorite for sound quality. But I do miss the rumble from my kicker set up!
Skar Rp2000.1 put out more power at 230 dollars!!!
Vello Wilson That amp sounds like shit lmao, nowhere near the sound quality of a jl amp
Yes let's do it I need to know if the digital sound audio amp is worth it as much as the JL audio
They are out of reality on there pricing anymore. For 1100$ I can get damn near a legit 5k rms clean power so why would anyone buy this?
chris jones For $660, you can get 6k RMS @12.6v from two strapped Xtr 2500.1's
The rockford power series will do just as good if not better than JL
Quality not quantity
@@AndrewB23 not hardly, over priced and not worth the money
@@chrisjones6165 And the 5k wont have even close to as good as sound quality as this, sure it would blow this away with power but it sure wont sound as clean, these are SQ amps
Looks like the Alpine pdx-m12 has the knockout on the 1200rms constant power tech amps.
I agree! Plus the dynamic rating on the M12 at 2 ohms was around 2500 watts.
@@in2quads and the m12 is 1 ohm stable. Although with decreased dampening factor defeating the sq need. They just rate it 1200rms 2-4 ohm. But after rise i been clamping 1100rms at 13.2v
@@sittdogg good to know... I will have to try that!
Some would argue that Alpine, Kicker, and Rockford are overpriced as well! But they have been in business for around 40 years Alpine even more, and are still bringing out new innovative products. Some of the brands listed in the comments are very new, one is only 5 years old. While they bring solid equipment they are using designs, engineering, and built parts that the big boys brought us 20 or 30 years ago. The only difference is they are beefing them up to put out more power. So honestly we are comparing apples to Oranges, each has it's place, it just matters what's important to you. What you want, what your after. One isn't necessarily better or worse. Sorry for taking up so much space I just had to get it out there!
I like this insightful comment. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 👌
well, they have their reputation on the line. So no bad things or they'll end up as bad companies, really
I kinda reject the premise. I've commented before that JL in the UK have shot their prices up by 30-50% over the pass few years for no apparent reason. I notice this soon after the Brexit Vote that JL along with other brands ... all of a sudden, jumped in price. If there are marked improvements or new technology, then I would agree with your comments. However when one is paying for a £300 widget which used to be £200 a while ago for no apparent upgrades, then you've gotta ask yourself if that's good VFM. *I really, really ... really love JL*, but for example (subs) I bought the JL Audio CP108 enclosed sub for £219. Now you'll pay £319 and there's no difference in performance. That's one heck of a price hike!
As for the HD amp, they used to go in the low £600's. Now they're near £800 (779). Again one has to ask; What am i getting for an extra £150-200 that I'm paying, in comparison to the price a few year ago? Answer; Nothing!!! Doesn't sound good to me. I would still buy into the JX and XD models at a push, but when the price for the HD amps has gone up by over £150 for no improvement, that's a hard pill to swallow.
Morel, Alpine, DD, Hybrid Audio, Sound Cubed, Sundown etc, etc, all keep their prices or bring out new and improved. JL - 30-50% price hike for same product. Same for JL subs. The 8W7 is now £500 = $700 for an 8". That's a lot of 'splash' when you've got the likes of Sundown X-8 for $200.
OK, we in the UK can't get are hands on half the gear you in the U.S. can, but more and more, I'm struggling to justify JL Audio. I still love them, but your paying twice over the price of a Rolls Royce/Bentley money, for what is an Merc E-Class brand. That just doesn't make sense.
Its OK to be nostalgic, but not at this price!
TransmissionLineDesigns the 8W7 is $500 USD so I'm guessing it has a tariff on it as well as the other JL products and other brands going up in your country. I know that tariff's have been an issue between our countries for awhile. I made a knife for a friend in the UK and when I sent it to him he had to pay a huge charge for something that was a gift. I can understand why you would shy away from products that are high priced, I was just pointing out a few reasons they could justify being higher. The market will determine the price. If people keep buying they won't change, but if people stop buying the prices will come down to compete.
hey did you ever get too listen to the hd 1200 in the car vs the other amps
Slash amps are best , in car reviews yes please!!
Rips Tech was developed from an idea I had with modifying my Soundstream Ref705 amplifier.
I worked at 007 Systems in Ft Lauderdale at the time. We were a Jl audio dealer and had frequent visits from personnel from JL.
The idea was that, my amplifier, Ref 705, was rated at 50wx4 @4ohm and 100wx4 @2ohm. The sub channel was rated at 200w @4ohm, 300w@2 ohm and 400w@1ohm..
Im a purist when it comes to car audio. I ran the Pioneer DEX-P1R head. Tuned ported kick pods(70hz) with Pioneers top of the line components of the time. With the 3 way Xovers of the P1R, I ran 2 channels of the 705 to the front tweets and 2 channels to the front mids. I ran the SPL160 15in sub in 3cu tuned to 27hz(2 4in ports about 23in long)
Most people that had the same amp would have front and rear speakers and whatever subs they decided on. The amp had a switch to select high or low current for the sub channel.
Well if you wanted to get 100w from each of the satellite mids n high channels, you had to use 2 sets of speakers in the front and 2 sets in the back to operate the channels at 2ohm to get that 100w per channel. Wasnt much of any 2ohm mids and tweets back then. In my case my sub was 2 4ohm coils which did not pull the full power from the sub channel.. But most people just had 1 front set and 1 rear set and didnt get all the power they were paying for...... $1200 for the REF705 at the time.
So I modified the power supply. It was a loosely regulated supply, so the rail voltages sit at a much higher level with no input than they do at rms continuous voltage levels. The high current and high power switch only changed the number of secondary windings on the transformer for the sub channel rail voltages. So I decided to rewind the transformer to increase the mid n high rail voltages(mid 30s volts to 48v with a power input of 15.9v, provided by a Jacobs Accuvolt 1500) And also I ditched the switch and wound the sub rail secondary to 48v also. This gave me 100w x 4 and 500w rms x1. One more thing that needed to be done was to change out the zener diodes that lowered the rail voltage for the +15v and -15v regulators for the preamp circuits, as the max input of the regulator chips was like 35v, so the zener value needed to be higher for the higher rail voltages. I soldered them to the heat sink side of the board as they were too hot on the top side for the mod. Joe from the marketing department at JL had doubted my work. He had heard my system before the mods. Then he had heard it after.
About a month later he said that they were going to make my dream amp. An amp that measured the ohm load of the speakers and then it automatically adjusted the rail voltages accordingly, to get all the power of the amp into what ever load was applied.
But, even with similar amp power, the 705 cracked the whip on the JL amps, as they were more regulated in the power supply than the Soundstreams of the time. My sub channel could pop well over 1500w initial peaks, let alone over 200w of the same to the satellite channels, due to the loosely regulated power supply. Music is as you say, dynamic, for the most part. So the Soundstreams had a great advantage over regulated supply amps of the time, such as JL, Precision Power, etc. when it came to rated power scales.
The mastermind of these old school amps was Wade Stewart, who came from designing concert amps. Not sure if he is still around, but last I heard he was doing repairs specifically on the amps he had designed back then.
Mags
Still have the Ref705 in modified condition. For more power these days, I really like the pioneer champ series amps.
The Pioneer Champ Pro 12 sub is a serious little monster that I believe most overlook as you can get them for less than $100 on ebay or amazon. The 96db sensitivity rating is the number to pay attn to. My bud has 6 PSI 15in subs run with 3 5kw Incriminator amps. 4 batteries, 2 alternators, 3 big cap banks, blow through bandpass in a Toyota tundra. I told him to go with 6 Pioneer champ pro 12s and 3 of the GM9601 amps. Didnt believe that $1000 in equip could come close to his over $10000 in equipment. So I told him I was going to build it in my buddies Scion XB.
A day later he asked what size enclosures and he was going to do it in his buds suv to show me it wont work.
3cu ft each tuned to 25hz(1 4in port 16in long for each sub chamber. Total 6 ports).
And he did. It was louder. Stock alternator, single stock battery and no caps. 2 weeks later he ripped it all out of his buds truck to send it in for repair. Ripped the roof of the suv at the seams. ;) But he still has the mentality that more money means more people lined up to sit in his truck. lol Sobeit.
The tundra needs nearly 40kw on the 6 psi subs to do the same as the Champ Pro 12s at 5kw. Murder by numbers.
PSI subs are 88.5db@1w vs Pio Champ Pro 12 96db@1w
With the 3cu ft tuned at 25hz, 1 pio 12 you can hear 18hz loud and clear in the Scion. His girlfriend made him take it out and said, What, are you in high school again? So we toned it down to a 1.5 sealed and she let him keep it. lol
Mags
Whe u just paying for a name that wont work these days too much good products for less than half the price of that amp
Not really. Unique design and use
I wish they would have a sale on these amps
JL is overpriced. I've ran it years ago. But for the money you can do way better. I got 4.5k for 900 bucks. But for the JL fans and people that think everything expensive is the best. It's for you. If they run JL they probably have a iPhone also 😭😭😭
BigD taking one for the betterment of the community 😁
Idk but my max on amps is 1200 lol
JL makes 4 cheaper 1000+ watt monoblocks. It's like you're arguing against having choices....
Trapperjohn1000 I’ve had 2 androids before (moto x and Samsung galaxy) and both of them had issues within about a year and a half. Audio and graphics bugs, crashing apps and just general slowing down. I have an iPhone 6s that I’ve had for 3 years now without any problems besides a shorter battery life (normal for lithium batteries). Just my 2 cents...
@@88bananapeels I phone sucks... Android all the way!!!!!
I have a question for you BigDWiz...how does one accomplish a 1.5 ohm / 3 ohm load on a single speaker? I've never seen a speaker rated at 1.5/3/6 etc...
I'm all for "premium" brands touting the specs and design of there product s but seriously for that inefficiency and poor design the price is not justifiable. RIPS™ or not. For that amount of money I can get better.
Did you ever do the in vehicle test?
I've been saying JL is overpriced for a decade+. I realize they're suppose to be "high end". But brother, they don't offer much a competitor doesn't for much less money. Regulated power supplies, all the protection circuitry, etc. JL is living off the equity built in their brand name. Even those new amps they just unveiled......bfd...... bunch of other companies offer the same stuff for half the price they're trying to charge.
There’s a big difference between made in China and being designed in the US. All the Chinese companies do for the big name brands is use an robot to rapidly place the electronic components on the circuit board and bake the components on the circuit board to the solder points. Which is just like soldering.
A lot of the newer companies just use an off the shelf type of China/Korean amp with no innovation or quality what so ever.
Nice amp but too much for China made
Must be a huge markup on these
I bet this amplifier costs no more than $150 per unit to produce. That kind of mark up is greedy and unacceptable.
that's incredible inaccurate.
This is not one of your run-of-the-mill skar RP Audiopipe Chinese board actual R&D went into this board you're not going to find it in any other amplifier
I'd actually be fine with paying the $1,100 if it was made in the good ol USA
Can you meter SQ for a baseline as well?
Thumbs up on the video. Thumbs down on the amp.
Cuz u can't afford it.
VXI has been out for a year now...time to ‘borrow’ one for ‘evaluation’!
Jl audio is the biggest rip off to car audio. Ya it's good quality but u can buy a million other amps that put out 5x the power for the same price.
But not the quality sound
Can you please test the Rd 1000/1
Made in China... Funky results imo...WAY OVERPRICED... We're on to you JL!!
Dibeezy ThaGifted ive been for years great video in 06 i went rickford t2 power stuff my boy went jl audio w7 stuff i regret it now im onto American bass and deaf bonce im sooooo over jl fuckford bullshit. Im not that high... yet!!
Fa real!!
Tammy Forbes
True about jl SQ but a SQ amp from China!? No thanks. I'll go b2 audio from Denmark or even Alpine from Japan. SQ through subwoofers isn't as noticeable as it is in mids and tweets. I have extremely sensitive hearing so signal noise really bugs me. I also like to hear instruments in certain music and I agree that amps like zapco, and JL are great but damn! There's just as good for less imo
So excited to see if this thing does rated
Jl just isn't worth the money.
Second time i have seen you on a video comments bashing jl audio you just do t know what quality is lol keep running your garbage amps, its a sq amp ya you pay for sq,let me guess you run sundown and think they are gods greatest gift to the audio world smh jl makes the jx line that's in your price range😉
I'm a home audio enthusiast and I can tell the difference on the sound quality.
First of all,
HAVE YOU EVER OWNED AND INSTALLED INSIDE YOUR CAR ANY JL AMPLIFIER?
Worth every penny
I have a few jl amps and they blow me away every time I first install them I put a jl audio xd600/1v2 on a sundown 12 rated for 1500 watts and it put that sub to work and sounded amazing. Never gets hot and I've never blown one up even when over working them. There very robust and always perform.
I dont know much about car audio. What i do know is when i switched from alpine pdx amps to hd amps everything came alive and sounded just how i always hoped it would. Lucky me i bought the 1200 and the 600 for just $600 used
That’s awesome!
My bogen m600 amp is over 1$ per watt. It's $1275 new for 1200W RMS. but that's commercial grade rack equipment so it's a whole different ballgame.
Can you test on the new JL Audio rd 1500
so which one did you end up keeping in your car?
About time!!! You know we love JL!!
and when the hell did they start making things outside of miramar? i have been out of the game for over a decade
They make the high end subs and home theater subs still in FL
Crazy how much HD amps are now in Canada
Some of the older amps where made in China but where assembled here in USA but they closed down the China operations last year
Did you ever do a video on testing these 5 amps on your 10w7? I can’t find it.
No, I have not had the opportunity with all of the other projects going on. I do still have most of the amps to try though when I get some time.
Williston Audio Labs understand. Thanks big d
People always compare stuff to JL, ill say dollar per watt some stuff compares but as far as sound quality Nothing beats JL. I tried the same subs with Differnt amps ranging from orion, rockford, JL and somehow the JL rumbles the lows harder and the high bass notes sound tighter especially on rock and roll and raggae it never got sloppy. JL is the best if you value sound qaulity over everything for sure. The other stuffs good too just it doesnt sound as low like if u put a filter on ur phone music. And just cus its made in china doesnt mean nothing brands that say they make them here in the U.S. import all their materials from china and charge almost the price of JL so id rather have JL than these off brand brands.
Armageddon I get what your saying but Alpine is known fir their high fidelity SQ.
Avraj Samra Yeah i forgot alpine l like them , their amps actually go on sale too pdx 600 for 200-300 the 1200 goes for 500 on sale you cant beat it honestly. Id say they are probably better than the HD line for bang for your buck, they have the new line of amps too i just dont like how they dont have options for fully parametric bass control like jl slash, Kicker KXA.
Armageddon yeah I have an old school Alpine 3566 amp, ultra clean power, its amazing, its not meant to shatter windows but its super clean
Yes yes yes big d, a real world evaluation of comparable amps would be awesome!
I love my 10W7. I traded a SA15 that I only paid $110 for and a birch box I built. I'm glad I found a Sundown fan boy because this thing is crazy, it hits harder and smoother than the 15 ever did at less power. I know you can't really compare the two because of price points but an sq 10 hitting harder than a spl brand 15 is crazy.
Very interesting. Thanks for commenting 🤙
Do your test results mean that this amp is NOT affected by impedance rise?