As far as we understand it, a regular person is able to do that too as long as they're moving fast enough to stay in orbit. its once you go past the event horizon where you get spaghettified. Though if theres other matter orbiting the black hole that might tear you to shreds instead.
@@CrazyDutchguys just being near a black hole wouldn't immediately kill you, but you'd still be vaporized by the radiation from the accretion disk alone. for him to be unharmed by that while also just floating there in space and keeping himself from being pulled in (doesn't look like he's orbiting) shows just how strong he is.
Also the density of the inside of the event horizon is dependent on the size of the black hole, so theoretically you would immediately be spaghet even after entering a supermassive black hole such as those at the center of galaxies, assuming you were durable enough to withstand the environmental hazards
It’s stated fairly early in the series that the way Viltrumites “fly” does not happen through propulsion in direct opposition of gravity, as with every other being in existence. Viltrumites simply “exist” within open space and can will themselves to move through it, completely independent of the concept of gravity. A black hole would not be able to pull a Viltrumite into itself alone, unless the Viltrumite willingly allowed it to.
Even if he decides to save Earth as atonement for his crimes, the rest (or what's left) of the Viltrum Empire will decimate Earth harder than the Combine or Judgment Day.
I like the show version due to the fact he has emotions, as if being around humans slowly wore down his brutal personality and forced him to realize his own emotions
Its because in the comics he really doesn't care much until he sees Mark again, he went to the thraxan planet to escape his life like any other dad that ficked up, but when Mark finds him again omniman then realizes that Mark still cares about him after everything which then starts his character change. I like the show adding these scenes in though. As long as they ditch amber quick lol
@@Jamsessionroom1337They've actually made amber a good character in s2, which I thought would never happen. They will break up eventually though, the series just can't follow the path of the comics, even loosely, with amber still being with mark.
@@superspetz24 I haven't read them either but I have a friend that did and I know that the subway sequence was way different. They have a small fight in the subway area and there are crashed trains and lots of fatalities, but the show makes it a point to show omni man PHYSICALLY using his son to split a train, and countless people, in half.
@superspetz24 they have a pretty standard superhero fight (deaths are mostly collateral damage), but tv show omni-man makes it a point to murder people in front of Mark for psychological damage with the subway, fighter pilots, etc
@@btmdth8843I like the shows execution on his character still. They push him to the edge to display the difference in his species which I think is probably a good change tbh. It really shows the gap in morality
Omni Man in the show: *doesn't understand his newly discovered emotions* Omni Man in the comics: *kid that fucked up and is cleaning the house to avoid a beating*
I actually love that change, shows how much earth has changed him and now how much more conflicted he is about other life that is in his eyes, is lesser than himself
The very willingness of the team to be open to suggestions and bring changes to the source material for the sake series is what makes Invincible a breath of fresh air.
Just remember that the show, by the author’s own words, is essentially the second draft. Wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes the definitive way to experience Invincible once they adapt the whole story.
I think that's one of the most awesome things about it; we get the best of both worlds. It's faithful to Kirkman's original creative vision, but is not rigid, with room enough for changes, still of his own design. It is a unique skill to be able to stand by your work while also acknowledging where improvements can be made.
@@tailuigiExactly. And in a way, it's gratifying as a creative to get a second shot at something you love. This doesn't mean you dislike the original incarnation, but sometimes you feel that you could do it better, or flesh out certain concepts that in retrospect you wish you'd elaborated on. That opportunity to, essentially, adapt and refine your own work can be gratifying.
@@noahallen1996 That's a fantastic way of putting it. I wish more adaptations were treated as an opportunity in this way; most either stick rigidly to the source material and may heaven help them when they get a detail wrong or omit a scene for pacing, or they're radically and fundamentally different, made to follow marketing trends or by people who think they know better than the original author. But here was someone thinking, "This was good, but in hindsight I would have changed a few things" and seeing an adaptation as the chance to do exactly that.
@@noahallen1996Yeah, it’s specially because he loves the original incarnation that he wants to make it again, but even better. Getting to make this show was definitely an awesome opportunity for him. Hopefully the success of the show opens the industry up so more stuff like this happens in the future.
Makes his wild switch to the good more believable. In the comics hes just all of a sudden super nice to Invincible for no reason just hey i had another kid. Thats actually motivation to care less about invincible for a heartless conqueror. At least here we see him suffer then redeem himself.
I don't think it did better, the arc of Omni-man coming back around was so good in the comics, the series seems to be lessening the dislike for him before he comes back to earth
Yes. I like some stuff more in the comics and some in the show better aswell. I wonder how they will go with flaxans story since he killed their leader
The Bearded version of omniman is the coolest I've seen him look. There is something so beautiful about seeing something so powerful looking so humble.
I never read the comic. But before season 2 came out I tried to come up with what Omni man did. Season 2 Ep 3 we get a scene at the end where he’s on Thraxan. My thoughts were, he definitely left earth to go take over this new planet to try and not get in trouble. But instead they did what the show did.
I read the comics every few months, something reminds me of them, and then it reminds me of the 150 incredible storylines through 2ft of book. And watching the show, there isn't a single unwelcome change, they have been knocking it out of the park in every god damn direction
Helps to further characterize why Mark prime is the one Mark who didnt turn on earth. Omni-man was a bad guy, but deep down he still had some good heart left in him that no doubt would’ve rubbed off onto his son
Eh not exactly. Remember he’s been on earth for a bit now, the influence of humanity has gained over him. So im not exactly weirded out by his turn to good
@@GokuBlackRose978 Nolan’s spent more time with his people than he did on earth, so what he did in the comics does make sense as he’s trying to process these new feelings and how he should handle breaking the rules of his people that would hunt him down. The show had an interesting take on this as well, but the comics take makes more sense for a character with hundreds or thousands of years worth of supporting a selfish, arrogant and egotistical ideology (the strong rule and the weak submit or die).
I think the most important scene in the episode is when Omni-Man turns to Mark and screams "Why do I care about them??". It shows that he didn't simply turn good, but he is actually confused and without knowing what path in life to follow now that he ruined both his earth life and his viltrumite life. Even though he believes humans are inferior to him he still understood at a few moments what humanity means
Quick? He was on Earth for over 20 years, and on Thraxa for a few months. He's also clearly still coming to terms with his attachments, and we have very little ideas of any attachments he had before he came to Earth. Let's say he's about 1000 years old. Scale that 20+ years over a human lifespan instead, and it's over a year and a half. That's plenty of time for change, and he's not even done changing yet.
He did monsterous things, and in S1, it was shown he was a monster. But knowing the context of Viltrum and the life he truly cared about on Earth, I think the show creators made a great decision of making him regretful and even sui***al over his actions he did on Earth to show he is actually redeemable and that he actually cares about Earth despite his programming of centuries long experience seeing other beings as lesser.
He’s like Endeavor from My Hero Academia where you can’t forgive him for abusing his family in the past, but you can accept the man he is striving to be now, working to be better. Endeavor isn’t changing himself so his family can forgive him, but because he came to be genuinely remorseful after introspection. Heck he even straight up says he’s going to buy/build his ex wife and kids a new house so they can truly cut ties with him. For Nolan and Endeavor, I don’t view their arcs as redemption, but atonement.
The fact that a mere planet with so called "strong gravity" could hold viltrumites back when black hole with much stronger gravity didn't do anything kinda collide with each other.
I loved the black whole scene it was just a visually stunning moment, and i just love the moment for omni man as a character he is my favorite by far in invincible
As someone who's finished the comics, this is a great addition to the story. It accelerates his character arc a little bit, but not by so much that it breaks anything, and it really feels fitting.
I prefer the comic version. Haven't read them, but hearing this makes much more sense. Thousands of years of conditioning doesn't just break like that. It makes more sense that him letting Mark live was him experiencing the first crack in his conditioning. It would give him pause and make him confused enough to run off, but it wouldn't simply change his moral code and make him a good person. At least not yet. He is still a monster. It makes more sense for him to run off and try to resume as normal elsewhere, far away from the cause of his crack in his understanding. Then over a long time and a lot of encounters with Mark (some hostile), and confrontations of the true horror of what he's done and what he is. He would try to find his purpose on the world. Which would probably be to end the Viltrumite Empire.
@@Mannyhdz0052 I think those emotions and morals should have taken much longer to reflect in him. It might be enough to stop him from killing his son, but not enough to make him reconsider his ways. At this point, he shouldn't even know he's done something wrong. This is just protocol to him. When things go south, use any means necessary to prepare them for the invasion. It's like a serial killer with no emotions who finds he's unable to kill his kid. He doesn't understand why. Just that he can't make himself do it. He'd see it as something wrong, then leave to try and return to "normal". Nolan has been conditioned for at least a thousand years to believe one way. That type of conditioning doesn't just leave after one strange encounter. It would take a while of breaking down that mental conditioning to reach a point where he even understands that he was wrong. My problem is that if all it took was a small moment of realization to get through to Omniman, then he would not have been able to do the horrible things he did without thinking twice. Remember, this man used his son as a battering ram through hundreds of completely innocent people on a train just to prove a point. The kind of conditioning that makes lives that meaningless to a person cannot be broken in an instant. It would take decades and many, many more attempts of them trying to return to what they knew, because that is what makes sense to them. They'd sooner return to the world where things were simple and there was only one directive to follow: Prepare them for invasion, rather than face the strange, uncomfortable new world of truths and the realities of their actions in context of the lives they've destroyed. TL;DR Omniman should have been a villain till like Season 3. Not an active one. He'd avoid Mark like the plague and instead focus on trying to prove to the Viltrumite Empire that he is still useful and not broken. Mark would encounter more by accident or necessity at times. And it is through those encounters that he will slowly be worn down and forced to realize that he is and has always been wrong. And from there, he'd have to figure out what to do with himself.
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I'm glad that the show does what an adaptation does best changing certain elements to fix the characters i like That Omni man isn't forgiving and has to atone for all he's done and caused and the fact that the series lets him be emotional is a good thing it's redemption it's atonement as no one really forgives for what he's done
I have a theory that the comic book and the series are two different universes in the infinite multiverse of invincible and maybe just maybe the two universes would meet up at some point in the show that would be an awesome scene of too good invincibles
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This is one of the greatest feats i've seen, he was able to go fast enough to escape a supermassive black hole, which even something that moves the speed of light couldn't escape, which is a ftl+ feat. Now i gotta rethink superman vs omni man ☠️
Buddy. Out speeding a black hole...REALLY isn't that impressive in powerscaling. You just gotta be FTL. Superman punched an infinite multiverse and destroyed it, along with the sixth dimensional entity that made it, the world forger. Omni-man can die to a Continental level attack, when I believe it's evil mark admits that a bomb that took out all of Europe killed his omni-man
@@GH0STY_PRIMEactually no, if the ship were to cross the event horizon it wouldn’t be seen as moving the ship would just stop in place from the perspective of an outside observer meaning the ship never crossed the event horizon and this is not even a sol feat
You know what is surprising the size matters but not in the way that you think the supermassives blackhole has a lesser force while the smalls one have much more force
The creator of Invincible did say he’s better at story telling now and wants to change some things he wish he could have changed in the comics, so far it hasn’t disappointed at all 👍🏼
i gotta say, in terms of pacing, scene selection and order and trimming the fat, i think the show is much, MUCH better than the comic so far, and it just keeps getting better! can’t wait to see more!
Honestly I like how the show’s portraying him. He’s still doesn’t fully understand the emotions of love and care but he slowly is getting there Instead of just continuing to be a horrible person
Have read the full comic series, yea I liked this addition a lot it fit better to me he saved the ship because he been saving people for the last 19 years
I think i just really like the depiction of almost "god" like being's depression. Omni man can physically go to any place in space as shown in theses drifiting scenes, he goes through asteroids, planets, stars and end up in front of a black hole to end his life because despite being able to go to all these place he lost the one place he really wanted to stay at. His house on earth with his family.
But, it is driven home, many times that being on earth changes the Viltrumites for the better(in the comics). It was nice to see Nolan reflect while on his way to Thraxa while in the comics he just takes off. But he does come back changed. Nolan becomes a pretty great character.
I love it when writers come back to work on their work's adaptation and improve upon it because as someone who's written stories before the amount of improvements you can make when going over a story the second or third time is really a game changer. The comics were actually so mid and rushed throughout most of the first half and the improvements made in the show taken it from being just another comic and turns it into a fleshed out masterpiece
I read the comics a long ass time ago so didn't remember that change in the story , i must say i like the shows approach, looking forward to see more genuinely good changes
Ngl although I like comic accurate shows, this version of black hole scene is really an amazing changeable i can't lie, this has to be the best rewritten moments in any series
Honestly, while the show version of Omniman is accenting his newfound hunanity much faster, making it rather rapid of a change, it helps with potential future writing, if they are planning on taking on the same route as the comic
We have all been there, down bad in our life facing a literal black hole, contemplating either or not we should resist its gravity or just let go and be pulled in.
I'm really really looking forward to his arc, probably the most. I think it actually has the most potential but it's also the easiest to screw up, but i REALLY like what they did with the first half of season 2 so far.
Yknow I gotta say because they explained flying it makes sense that they can fly around and away from black holes. Omniman said they “Move the space around us” like pushing particles away or around you to slip through just about anything except solids. For a black hole it can’t grab him unless he lets it, he pushes past the radiation and gravity in flight. There’s different kinds of flying but THIS kind is my favorite
I think I like the show more. That scene was heavy as hell. You can almost feel the pain he is feeling, yet also the stirring conflict within him. Fuck, it's so good.
Idk I liked the comic events more. It lets you see that he was still conflicted and trying to force himself to stay true to his mission. Also makes him defending the planet then questioning himself as to why he cares more impactful, because he has to come to terms with his humanity a second time.
The fact that he was just hovering over the edge of the black hole really shows how powerful viltrumites are
As far as we understand it, a regular person is able to do that too as long as they're moving fast enough to stay in orbit. its once you go past the event horizon where you get spaghettified. Though if theres other matter orbiting the black hole that might tear you to shreds instead.
edging my event horizon
@@CrazyDutchguys just being near a black hole wouldn't immediately kill you, but you'd still be vaporized by the radiation from the accretion disk alone. for him to be unharmed by that while also just floating there in space and keeping himself from being pulled in (doesn't look like he's orbiting) shows just how strong he is.
Also the density of the inside of the event horizon is dependent on the size of the black hole, so theoretically you would immediately be spaghet even after entering a supermassive black hole such as those at the center of galaxies, assuming you were durable enough to withstand the environmental hazards
It’s stated fairly early in the series that the way Viltrumites “fly” does not happen through propulsion in direct opposition of gravity, as with every other being in existence. Viltrumites simply “exist” within open space and can will themselves to move through it, completely independent of the concept of gravity.
A black hole would not be able to pull a Viltrumite into itself alone, unless the Viltrumite willingly allowed it to.
Omni man standing over mark is so sad💔
"WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS!!??"
"You dad"
That scene hit me right in the feels
@@ZarakiKempachiThat line is really ironic later in the comics 💀
@@Axolord99Yep
@@Axolord99Yep
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I’m very interested to see where they will take Omniman’s character in the show
Even if he decides to save Earth as atonement for his crimes, the rest (or what's left) of the Viltrum Empire will decimate Earth harder than the Combine or Judgment Day.
I like the show version due to the fact he has emotions, as if being around humans slowly wore down his brutal personality and forced him to realize his own emotions
@@thientuongnguyen2564 didnt expect half life here
I mean in the last episode of S2 he quite literally got his back blown out
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it's so much better in the show, he was just reflecting on his new emotions but in the comics he still feels like he doesn't care
Its because in the comics he really doesn't care much until he sees Mark again, he went to the thraxan planet to escape his life like any other dad that ficked up, but when Mark finds him again omniman then realizes that Mark still cares about him after everything which then starts his character change. I like the show adding these scenes in though. As long as they ditch amber quick lol
@@Adventure3Man yup I hate amber she really needs to be the first victim of conquest and that should be the start of Adam eve and Mark.
@@Jamsessionroom1337They've actually made amber a good character in s2, which I thought would never happen. They will break up eventually though, the series just can't follow the path of the comics, even loosely, with amber still being with mark.
@@Adventure3Manmark didn’t find him..
Omniman also sends for Mark in the show.
This scene is the single best scene in the series that we've seen so far, it shows us Omni-Man isn't a total monster.
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Yeah, he comes across as evil, but he is a lot more caring in comparison to most other viltrumites
Or more like finally recognise he is a monster, that what he was doing was only benefitting the viltrume
I think its is balanced out by comic Omni man having waaayyyyy less fatalities in the comic. He did not go out of his way to kill all those people
He did, they just didn’t show it.
@@zen_tewmbsthen how do you know? I haven’t read the comic, just asking for context.
@@superspetz24 I haven't read them either but I have a friend that did and I know that the subway sequence was way different. They have a small fight in the subway area and there are crashed trains and lots of fatalities, but the show makes it a point to show omni man PHYSICALLY using his son to split a train, and countless people, in half.
@superspetz24 they have a pretty standard superhero fight (deaths are mostly collateral damage), but tv show omni-man makes it a point to murder people in front of Mark for psychological damage with the subway, fighter pilots, etc
@@btmdth8843I like the shows execution on his character still. They push him to the edge to display the difference in his species which I think is probably a good change tbh. It really shows the gap in morality
Omni Man in the show: *doesn't understand his newly discovered emotions*
Omni Man in the comics: *kid that fucked up and is cleaning the house to avoid a beating*
That sums it up very well
Another fun fact is that the song "Avalanche" never plays in the comics. It is just silent while he leaves Earth
Yet another fun fact is that despite the comics using more paper, the show has more pictures
Also another fun fact is that unlike the comics, in the show the characters actually blink
Another fun fact is while the comic has speech bubbles the show does not.
I thought I'm the only one who got my comic without music, glat to hear it!
Don't forget another fun fact is that the title of the show is based of the comic.
I actually love that change, shows how much earth has changed him and now how much more conflicted he is about other life that is in his eyes, is lesser than himself
The very willingness of the team to be open to suggestions and bring changes to the source material for the sake series is what makes Invincible a breath of fresh air.
Helps that kirkman, the actual writer of the comic is also writing the adaptation
Honestly the scene with him looking down at the black hole in remorse is so beautiful. It's better this way.
Just remember that the show, by the author’s own words, is essentially the second draft. Wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes the definitive way to experience Invincible once they adapt the whole story.
I think that's one of the most awesome things about it; we get the best of both worlds. It's faithful to Kirkman's original creative vision, but is not rigid, with room enough for changes, still of his own design. It is a unique skill to be able to stand by your work while also acknowledging where improvements can be made.
@@tailuigiExactly. And in a way, it's gratifying as a creative to get a second shot at something you love.
This doesn't mean you dislike the original incarnation, but sometimes you feel that you could do it better, or flesh out certain concepts that in retrospect you wish you'd elaborated on. That opportunity to, essentially, adapt and refine your own work can be gratifying.
@@noahallen1996 That's a fantastic way of putting it. I wish more adaptations were treated as an opportunity in this way; most either stick rigidly to the source material and may heaven help them when they get a detail wrong or omit a scene for pacing, or they're radically and fundamentally different, made to follow marketing trends or by people who think they know better than the original author. But here was someone thinking, "This was good, but in hindsight I would have changed a few things" and seeing an adaptation as the chance to do exactly that.
@@noahallen1996Yeah, it’s specially because he loves the original incarnation that he wants to make it again, but even better. Getting to make this show was definitely an awesome opportunity for him. Hopefully the success of the show opens the industry up so more stuff like this happens in the future.
Yeah, I agree, and when the show is complete, im gonna read the comics again to compare the two to see what changes there were
Makes his wild switch to the good more believable. In the comics hes just all of a sudden super nice to Invincible for no reason just hey i had another kid. Thats actually motivation to care less about invincible for a heartless conqueror. At least here we see him suffer then redeem himself.
He looks like the dude from megamind with that beard💀
Metro man lmao
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"WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS!!??"
"You dad"
That scene hit me right in the feels
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@@walterwhite5764 No...
@@bendingdemon6483”CAN DEEZ NUTS FIT IN YOUR MONTH FATHER-“
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That suicidal stare he gave that black hole is amazing
Honestly the show did it much better😅
kirkman did say the comic did have alot of mistakes and that the series will be the ultimate adaptation
I don't think it did better, the arc of Omni-man coming back around was so good in the comics, the series seems to be lessening the dislike for him before he comes back to earth
The show is in a different Universe then the comic
@@khylekim9551so what?
@@Wall9.Lets make out
I prefer different things about the show and comics having seen/read both. They are both amazing and the best literacy imo to see superheroes in
Yes. I like some stuff more in the comics and some in the show better aswell. I wonder how they will go with flaxans story since he killed their leader
The Bearded version of omniman is the coolest I've seen him look. There is something so beautiful about seeing something so powerful looking so humble.
Amazing how both Omniman and Homelander are better than their comic counterparts.
Omni-Man is a much better character, but Homelander has the absolute perfect actor-character match up.
@@AhmedMostafa-gu8ot Yes.
I never read the comic. But before season 2 came out I tried to come up with what Omni man did. Season 2 Ep 3 we get a scene at the end where he’s on Thraxan. My thoughts were, he definitely left earth to go take over this new planet to try and not get in trouble. But instead they did what the show did.
They better not destroy his character throughout the series, what makes omniman so awesome is him overcoming who he was initially conditioned to be
The direction the Show is giving Nolan is Way Better, More Emotional, and so Full of regret than the Comics and I love it
Love that homage to Action Comics and Superman when he brings the ship back to Thraxa
I read the comics every few months, something reminds me of them, and then it reminds me of the 150 incredible storylines through 2ft of book. And watching the show, there isn't a single unwelcome change, they have been knocking it out of the park in every god damn direction
It’s still impactful. Especially the parallel between Omni Man and Debbie in that episode. Writing is top notch and so is the acting!
I gotta say, I dig how RK's influence leads to him adding new stuff in. So it aint a simple one and done adaptation. Giving the show its own merits.
Helps to further characterize why Mark prime is the one Mark who didnt turn on earth. Omni-man was a bad guy, but deep down he still had some good heart left in him that no doubt would’ve rubbed off onto his son
Much prefer the show. However his turn to the light happened QUICK
Eh not exactly. Remember he’s been on earth for a bit now, the influence of humanity has gained over him. So im not exactly weirded out by his turn to good
@@GokuBlackRose978 Nolan’s spent more time with his people than he did on earth, so what he did in the comics does make sense as he’s trying to process these new feelings and how he should handle breaking the rules of his people that would hunt him down. The show had an interesting take on this as well, but the comics take makes more sense for a character with hundreds or thousands of years worth of supporting a selfish, arrogant and egotistical ideology (the strong rule and the weak submit or die).
I think the most important scene in the episode is when Omni-Man turns to Mark and screams "Why do I care about them??". It shows that he didn't simply turn good, but he is actually confused and without knowing what path in life to follow now that he ruined both his earth life and his viltrumite life. Even though he believes humans are inferior to him he still understood at a few moments what humanity means
Quick? He was on Earth for over 20 years, and on Thraxa for a few months. He's also clearly still coming to terms with his attachments, and we have very little ideas of any attachments he had before he came to Earth.
Let's say he's about 1000 years old. Scale that 20+ years over a human lifespan instead, and it's over a year and a half. That's plenty of time for change, and he's not even done changing yet.
@ultronthetechnologicaltyra2081 nahhhh
This story change works well especially since we had no idea where things went with the long gap between seasons.
He did monsterous things, and in S1, it was shown he was a monster. But knowing the context of Viltrum and the life he truly cared about on Earth, I think the show creators made a great decision of making him regretful and even sui***al over his actions he did on Earth to show he is actually redeemable and that he actually cares about Earth despite his programming of centuries long experience seeing other beings as lesser.
“TELL ME, WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS? WHAT WILL YOU HAVE LEFT??”
“I’ll have you dad…”
This scene made my heart hurt 😔
Funny u mention that after reading rhe comics that quote just makes me smile 😊
Ngl the guy is still unforgivable no matter how much good he does
He’s like Endeavor from My Hero Academia where you can’t forgive him for abusing his family in the past, but you can accept the man he is striving to be now, working to be better. Endeavor isn’t changing himself so his family can forgive him, but because he came to be genuinely remorseful after introspection. Heck he even straight up says he’s going to buy/build his ex wife and kids a new house so they can truly cut ties with him.
For Nolan and Endeavor, I don’t view their arcs as redemption, but atonement.
I’m happy that he’s slowly changing for a better man of himself. ❤
The fact that a mere planet with so called "strong gravity" could hold viltrumites back when black hole with much stronger gravity didn't do anything kinda collide with each other.
Kinda makes sense though. If creatures lived near a black hole they'd be conditioned to be strronger than viltrumites
I loved the black whole scene it was just a visually stunning moment, and i just love the moment for omni man as a character he is my favorite by far in invincible
This is great 👍 the show isn’t afraid to add new elements from the source material that benefit the franchise.
It also makes the show much much better
The light of the black hole's acretion disk cast on Omni-mans face looks amazing
As someone who's finished the comics, this is a great addition to the story. It accelerates his character arc a little bit, but not by so much that it breaks anything, and it really feels fitting.
I prefer the comic version.
Haven't read them, but hearing this makes much more sense.
Thousands of years of conditioning doesn't just break like that.
It makes more sense that him letting Mark live was him experiencing the first crack in his conditioning.
It would give him pause and make him confused enough to run off, but it wouldn't simply change his moral code and make him a good person.
At least not yet.
He is still a monster. It makes more sense for him to run off and try to resume as normal elsewhere, far away from the cause of his crack in his understanding.
Then over a long time and a lot of encounters with Mark (some hostile), and confrontations of the true horror of what he's done and what he is.
He would try to find his purpose on the world.
Which would probably be to end the Viltrumite Empire.
Nah, the show did it better, considering that he developed morals that he kept hidden away within himself and only expressed the emotion of a ruler
@@Mannyhdz0052 I think those emotions and morals should have taken much longer to reflect in him.
It might be enough to stop him from killing his son, but not enough to make him reconsider his ways.
At this point, he shouldn't even know he's done something wrong.
This is just protocol to him.
When things go south, use any means necessary to prepare them for the invasion.
It's like a serial killer with no emotions who finds he's unable to kill his kid.
He doesn't understand why. Just that he can't make himself do it.
He'd see it as something wrong, then leave to try and return to "normal".
Nolan has been conditioned for at least a thousand years to believe one way.
That type of conditioning doesn't just leave after one strange encounter.
It would take a while of breaking down that mental conditioning to reach a point where he even understands that he was wrong.
My problem is that if all it took was a small moment of realization to get through to Omniman, then he would not have been able to do the horrible things he did without thinking twice.
Remember, this man used his son as a battering ram through hundreds of completely innocent people on a train just to prove a point.
The kind of conditioning that makes lives that meaningless to a person cannot be broken in an instant.
It would take decades and many, many more attempts of them trying to return to what they knew, because that is what makes sense to them.
They'd sooner return to the world where things were simple and there was only one directive to follow: Prepare them for invasion, rather than face the strange, uncomfortable new world of truths and the realities of their actions in context of the lives they've destroyed.
TL;DR Omniman should have been a villain till like Season 3.
Not an active one. He'd avoid Mark like the plague and instead focus on trying to prove to the Viltrumite Empire that he is still useful and not broken.
Mark would encounter more by accident or necessity at times.
And it is through those encounters that he will slowly be worn down and forced to realize that he is and has always been wrong.
And from there, he'd have to figure out what to do with himself.
@@davidcopperfield5345Are you using Ai to write or are you just doing that yourself? It surprises me to see a youtube commenter with more than one braincell
@@Mannyhdz0052yeah
@@Combo562yea
I'm glad that the show does what an adaptation does best changing certain elements to fix the characters i like That Omni man isn't forgiving and has to atone for all he's done and caused and the fact that the series lets him be emotional is a good thing it's redemption it's atonement as no one really forgives for what he's done
Out of many ways people contenplate ending themselves, a being with superpowers confronting a black hole is so raw
I watched a 6hr read-through of the comics, and now feel I've been spoiled from the show somehow 😂
You are not the only k obe who spoiled ig for himself, I borrowed that comic Compendiums
I have a theory that the comic book and the series are two different universes in the infinite multiverse of invincible and maybe just maybe the two universes would meet up at some point in the show that would be an awesome scene of too good invincibles
Here's hoping they handle the time skip much better. I felt like that part was supposed to be much cooler than it actually was in the comics.
I'm so glad they put that scene in. It's truly, truly powerful television.
I really like Omni Man, his discovery of feelings and being conflicted is really great.
so its like the dragonball super situation where their animated counterparts have better feats than the comic variants
Nolan: "THINK, MARK!"
Also Nolan: Thinks
This is a rare occasion when *the show actually did it better* than the comics ^^
Knowing this now. And loving space stuff like Black holes and loving this show. This makes it so much more 🤌 for me.
Bro has not witnessed the trauma of people making up bs feats due to that scene
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after a long time u maked video
Damn..
This is the best scene of season 2 so far imo, it’s so well done and adds so much to his character, we need more of this in the show
The tv show just so careful. Everything every details in another level.
This is one of the greatest feats i've seen, he was able to go fast enough to escape a supermassive black hole, which even something that moves the speed of light couldn't escape, which is a ftl+ feat. Now i gotta rethink superman vs omni man ☠️
Well he wasnt past the event horizon which doesn't make it any less of a feat but still, he simply got out of its orbit
Yeah, but that other ship looked like it was nearly all the way through, and him going even deeper through to save them is probably Mftl feats
Buddy. Out speeding a black hole...REALLY isn't that impressive in powerscaling. You just gotta be FTL. Superman punched an infinite multiverse and destroyed it, along with the sixth dimensional entity that made it, the world forger. Omni-man can die to a Continental level attack, when I believe it's evil mark admits that a bomb that took out all of Europe killed his omni-man
@@GH0STY_PRIMEactually no, if the ship were to cross the event horizon it wouldn’t be seen as moving the ship would just stop in place from the perspective of an outside observer meaning the ship never crossed the event horizon and this is not even a sol feat
You know what is surprising the size matters but not in the way that you think the supermassives blackhole has a lesser force while the smalls one have much more force
He was gonna end himself because he knew facing the Viltrumites would be worse he didn't feel bad about what he did
Nolan isn’t a pussy though, big plot hole.
I'm glad they including these show exclusive scenes, that black hole one in particular had absolutely stunning visuals.
The comic moves really fast. I really appreciate what they did with the show. Everything extra they added was really well done.
The sad expression is so beautiful
I’m glad they’re making changes like this. It’ll go a long way to make him more redeemable
The show is master level storytelling tbh
Love this change. It shows a lot more character, I really do like the choices they’re making and changing the comics a little.
The animators did a great showing the emptiness on Omni man eyes looking at the black hole
Honestly the saving someone from a black hole that the species is willing to give you the leader role of the entire planet.
I love this change in the show so much, such a great way to make him more sympathetic in a really efficient way
This is one of the few shows where I like the on screen adaptations more than the comics
It’s so much better if happy they added this part in
I thank these writers for this, man.
The creator of Invincible did say he’s better at story telling now and wants to change some things he wish he could have changed in the comics, so far it hasn’t disappointed at all 👍🏼
i gotta say, in terms of pacing, scene selection and order and trimming the fat, i think the show is much, MUCH better than the comic so far, and it just keeps getting better! can’t wait to see more!
The show made a big improvement imo
Honestly I like how the show’s portraying him. He’s still doesn’t fully understand the emotions of love and care but he slowly is getting there
Instead of just continuing to be a horrible person
Makes for a way better redemption
The change does kinda make sense. It's not the only one either, lots of changes were made for the animated version to try to improve the story.
I like that they're making things different from the comics
Have read the full comic series, yea I liked this addition a lot it fit better to me he saved the ship because he been saving people for the last 19 years
I think i just really like the depiction of almost "god" like being's depression. Omni man can physically go to any place in space as shown in theses drifiting scenes, he goes through asteroids, planets, stars and end up in front of a black hole to end his life because despite being able to go to all these place he lost the one place he really wanted to stay at. His house on earth with his family.
But, it is driven home, many times that being on earth changes the Viltrumites for the better(in the comics). It was nice to see Nolan reflect while on his way to Thraxa while in the comics he just takes off. But he does come back changed. Nolan becomes a pretty great character.
Honestly, it's a really interesting variation. And seeing the tech of the rabbit is cool.
I think the show is going to be a much more stream lined and better written version of the comic and I’m all here for it
I love it when writers come back to work on their work's adaptation and improve upon it because as someone who's written stories before the amount of improvements you can make when going over a story the second or third time is really a game changer.
The comics were actually so mid and rushed throughout most of the first half and the improvements made in the show taken it from being just another comic and turns it into a fleshed out masterpiece
Wish they would stay true to the original media we all loved. Witcher, Wheel of Time, Rings of Power and now invincible too.
I read the comics a long ass time ago so didn't remember that change in the story , i must say i like the shows approach, looking forward to see more genuinely good changes
The show is essentially 2.0. This Omni man is a much better person this time around
Ngl although I like comic accurate shows, this version of black hole scene is really an amazing changeable i can't lie, this has to be the best rewritten moments in any series
That scene is one of my favorite in the show and I'm happy with this change
Is it sad I’m more excited for the interaction of Nolan seeing Debbie again more than any upcoming fight?
Honestly, while the show version of Omniman is accenting his newfound hunanity much faster, making it rather rapid of a change, it helps with potential future writing, if they are planning on taking on the same route as the comic
We have all been there, down bad in our life facing a literal black hole, contemplating either or not we should resist its gravity or just let go and be pulled in.
You who wish to conquer pain.
You must learn.
Learn to serve me well.
I'm really really looking forward to his arc, probably the most. I think it actually has the most potential but it's also the easiest to screw up, but i REALLY like what they did with the first half of season 2 so far.
Tbh, I prefer the show's direction rather than the comic one here. Those scenes with Nolan were so powerful, and no dialouge at all
Yknow I gotta say because they explained flying it makes sense that they can fly around and away from black holes. Omniman said they “Move the space around us” like pushing particles away or around you to slip through just about anything except solids. For a black hole it can’t grab him unless he lets it, he pushes past the radiation and gravity in flight.
There’s different kinds of flying but THIS kind is my favorite
That's an incredible change. Finally, a scene that is completely original yet it works, because the creators give a damn!
Gives me It's a Wonderful Life vibes.
Like when George wanted to jump off the bridge to drown but saw a man drowning so saved him instead.
I think I like the show more. That scene was heavy as hell. You can almost feel the pain he is feeling, yet also the stirring conflict within him. Fuck, it's so good.
Idk I liked the comic events more. It lets you see that he was still conflicted and trying to force himself to stay true to his mission. Also makes him defending the planet then questioning himself as to why he cares more impactful, because he has to come to terms with his humanity a second time.
The black hole scene was stunning, very beautiful and thought provoking