I’m over fragile phones - Doogee V30T
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The Doogee V30T is marketed as a rugged phone for a rugged lifestyle. But what does a non-rugged person like Bell think about it? Can it keep up with more mainstream brands like Samsung or Apple?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Don't drop your phone /s
0:34 Unboxing
1:49 The Dooge V30T
4:39 Exterior impressions
7:14 UGREEN!
7:43 Why does this run Android 12?
8:48 Phone specs
9:45 Speaker & Display impressions
11:10 SO. MANY. MEGAPIXELS.
13:58 Infrared camera
14:33 Selfie camera
15:45 Labs' performance/testing
16:53 Overall thoughts
17:59 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I don't understand why these rugged phones dont have a raised bezel on the front so that the screen doesn't break when its dropped.
Cuz they can't be indestructible as that would be ultimately self-defeating in terms of sales. :P XD But, agreed!
^ exactly.
If it drops on an edge it’ll they’re fine, if it drops face down flat it’ll be fine cause it’s so spread out, has a screen protector, etc.
The issue would be if it landed with a rock in the middle of the display or something which no bezel would protect against. So basically it would just be pointless for modern glass / manufacturing.
i don't understand why most of them don't come with flipcase.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M I agree to a point but it is down to context of the drop. A raised bezel could help in some scenarios and probably wouldn't do anything in others. I think it's short sighted to say outright that it wouldn't help at all. Specially with a phone like this, if it were an Iphone and that were implemented I'd agree with you even more.
I've had doogee phones (three I think) for several years now, the older models used to have those big bezels, the newer models have them, but way way smaller, you can barely notice them. They are aprox the thickness of the screen protector, wich makes them seem flat with the screen protector on.
They are tough and durable. I used to break my phone every few months(though job). The one I am using right now is more than a year old and honestly, apart from some scrarches on the metal sides, it still looks almost new.
I am very very happy with the brand.
Software updates are almost non-existant though. Mine is running Android 11, but it works just fine.
I've opened one up to see how they are made, they have a solid metal chassis inside (pretty thick too) that goes from top to bottom and from side to side, the full surface of the phone, making it really really rigid.
I hope that this one can be taken apart without literally breaking the phone to pieces. Recently a customer brought a Doogee phone to my shop, wanted to fix the speaker. Turned out that there was absolutely no shot you can open that one without breaking it. Some glue for seals is fine, as that's where some of the resistance comes from, but it should still be serviceable, if something does break. Also, the glue used was one that cannot be melted without melting the phone, so gg.
It’s an unfortunate situation, I understand in this case though that it has to be this way. There aren’t really any ways that manufacturers can get the specifications they need without employing methods of putting the phone together that aren’t user friendly.
I’ve worked with manufacturers on the past, and they have to make a choice, either make it use repairable or get the specification that will make them money.
The best thing to do with these is actually to send them back to the manufacturer for recycling because if they have systems set up in place, they can actually recycle and make use of it. A buyback / exchange program is common in military applications and mining, similar things for consumers would be great.
@@wafu6058 what you said makes sense, but the problem is that a portion of their about equally resistant phones can be opened. With some screwing around, but can. And then some can't. But then again - those are mostly the cheapest models, where it makes sense as a cost-reducing measure.
Anyone can buy a normal flagship phone and stuck it to a heavy duty case. "oh it won't look good anymore" you mean, like every rugged phone?
That’s actually fair
I think the major point with this one is the all day battery when running even intensive work without having to carry much extra. That's not a big deal for 98% of use cases, but it is a big deal for the target customer of this phone, contractors, builders, etc...
As for using phone cases in general, ever since phones stopped putting decent bezels on the sides of the screen I've been buying cases (not fully rugged ones but they will help it survive a fall anyways. I get the Spigen kick stand cases now) just to add a bezel around the edge to prevent accidental touches from my hands. The last smart phone I used without a case was the Nexus S (in 2011) and when I upgraded to the HTC One (the first one that came out) I had to get a case because it was basically unusable with accidental side touches. I've had that problem all the way to today. Don't even get me started on curved edge screens. Those things are basically unusable for me.
So yeah, a case is kind of a must on any phone in my opinion because someone decided to market a lack of bezels as a premium feature a decade or so ago.
Dude my HTC one m8 was a excellent phone beats my pixle 6
@@edcdad1124 I miss the HTC phones. I have no idea why people started buying Samsung over them. The software wasn't much better and the specs were the same except for things like front firing speakers. The HTC One series blew every Samsung and LG out of the water at the time, but people didn't care.
@@CreativityNull I had a HTC vivid before that was a hell of a better phone than half the phones I've had since
Screen and GPS accuracy would be important for me in a rugged phone.
Many people use phones while hiking and rugged phone with big battery is great for that.
I've owned the Doogee S96 and am currently using the S98. Doogee offers really good promotions when they first release their models, I got them for $240 and $350 respectively. I'm honestly really happy with them. I work construction and in the past my screens would always crack within the first few months even with a otterbox and gorilla glass screen protector or get the speaker damaged from water. The S96 lasted me two seasons without ever breaking or cracking without a case or a screen protector and the S98 has been great so far. The night vision camera does actually work, its just a simple IR camera so it just works from like 20 feet but hey for the price I'm actually happy. I upgraded to the S98 because of the thermal camera and hey, they did it again, it works. I need to test concrete and form temps and when I used my thermal camera it was always within a degree of our actual temp gun. The camera is good, but like they said in the video, the software isn't the greatest. I can get a ton out of editing them and by downloading a 3rd party camera app it works a lot better. I can also get a solid 3 days out of the phone without charging which is great for when I'm camping or working out of town. This phone isn't for everyone, but if you're someone that needs a rugged phone and a long battery (or a thermal camera lol) I would highly recommend it.
Does these phones have built in call recording.
@@bobbycallens6938 The international version of the phone does not have call recording standard, but you can download 3rd party apps if that is something you want to do
Bought my dad (construction worker) the dooge s40 or something like that. One day he comes and tells me a pile of plasterboard, about 400kg, fell onto his leg. He had a big bruise on the knee and stayed at home for 3 days. The phone just got the screen cracked, but it worked pretty fine, still usable. We just put a screen protector over.
I definitely recommend them. The only problem is the OS version it comes with wont be updated ever.
Using ulefone (same factory ) with a flir thermal camera for years now. They even sell parts directly to the customer. Awesome brand and the most durable phone's i have seen.
I have a Doogee S60 and overall I like it but I would not buy it again. I have some serious issues with it.
The biggest two are that:
- there was no software update for it. It was planned to have one but they gave up
- the battery has swollen (just after the one year warranty expired) and ripped some screws' mount points of the body. I had to glue the case after replacing the battery and no longer dare to get the phone wet.
Other grievances are that:
- they advertise that the phone has stereo speakers but in reality has only one speaker. The other is a dummy (confirmed when it opened due to the battery)
- wireless charging overheats the phone, which basically means I can not use wireless charging
- the phone turns off or restarts at random
- the buttons are not recessed and keep launching stuff when in my pocket or bag, specially the camera app which starts recording and wastes the entire battery in a few hours
- the 21M pixel camera is worse than my 8 year older Nokia N8 12M pixel camera
- the flaps covering the ports broke and there are no replacements available that I can find
On the positive:
- I have dropped it several times and it was just slightly crumpled, as expected, but kept working fine
- the charger is the best charger I ever had and the most compatible. Some other chargers I have show issues charging other devices that are not the device they came with.
had a doogee s70, for the price back then, performance was awesome , but about rugedeness .... dead speaker, dead charging port, melted charging cable, water damage from being submerged for 15 sec, screen smashed completely after falling from 1m height... so much about ruggedness
Not to mention customer support is terrible
only good thing was that the camera was decent and fingerprint was fast tho pretty inaccurate after 1 year
@@Hawxsn In my case, I would have probably dropped it more if it was lighter. I have problems in my arms and hands and lighter things give less weight feedback causing me to not know if I am gripping it without looking.
I bought that phone because I did not want to buy a case like I did with past ones to protect the screen.
I agree with you that we need better designed phones and a lot of other stuff (like laptops which have less and less ergonomic keyboards).
Thank you for venturing into rugged phones. Please do more. As others have said already, you should aim to review ones that have a rubberized lip protruding around the screen for added fall protection. But I'd say the 2 most important talking points to cover would be data security with these types of oddball phones, and which service providers will actually let you activate them. It's been a challenge over the years to get these rugged phones to work on certain providers. The one who seems to be the easiest is TMobile and associated MVNOs. Other providers have what they consider a white list of acceptable phones. If your rugged phone isn't on that list, you cannot activate it, even if the phone supports their bands. And in some cases where you simply swap your already activated sim into the phone, the provider will contact me after some time and tell me the phone isn't supported and that I need to switch phones, even if the phone is working flawlessly on their network.
I actually got this phone, it was pretty unusable, would hurt the hand trying to use it for prolonged periods. Had to return it, it's not rugged enough with glass all over either and no rubberised rim to protect it.
I honestly forgot about the rgb notification leds we used to have. That was actually super useful and i wish flagships would being it back
My wife's Pixel 2XL in an Otterbox Defender survived being run over by a fully loaded fire department pump truck. The screen was shattered, and the chassis and main board were both significantly bent, but the phone still works. Literally every feature of the phone still works. Just slapped some clear packing tape on the display and go.
Eventually migrated everything from it to a Pixel 5.
Pretty sure I can't repair the display, replacing the glass will require un-bendind the PCB and I'm pretty sure it will break.
My sister had one of these Dogee things, it didn't last a month in her hands.
Remember it looks more rugged than it actually is, if you need real protection just get a LoveMei case for your current device.
Got it for about 350 EUR... Im pretty satisfied. The only low point is android 12. I'm considering getting a custom ROM or android 13 GSI installed. For this price it is great and main selling point for me was the battery, which means i don't have to lug around a power bank and it can take 3-4 days of moderate to heavy use without charging. Also the night vision camera is a cool feature... Use it when I need to use the toilet at night and don't wanna wake gf with light :D
Got a custom OS on a pixel 6 and its great
Still no Android 13 update? Think about this or this DOOGEE VMAX. Something 5g, Android 13. Under 600 bucks. Opinions?
Glad to see coverage of stranger devices, this amd the unihertz Luna videos were great!
I got over disposable, breakable, one-time fragile phones I now enjoy the D. V30Pro for a year now - AWESOME!!!
Been using the v20 for almost a year now, absolutely love it
If you're looking for another rugged phone, Sonim has some stuff, but they only have like... Two that are smart phones worth a damn.
Edit: XP10 and the XP8
6:15 They did for the earlier models like the S60, but took it out, because if you're using wired earphones, you compromise the waterproofing while in-use. So rather force people to use wireless, so there's no risk to the phone.
I have a CAT S61 as my daily driver. Very satisfied with that as a rugged phone. Raised bezels around the screen as well as an integrated screen protector shield it even from what should be hefty impacts, metallic edges along the side keep the whole structure from flexing under torque, rubber back for impact resistance and grip. The cameras are frankly, shit, though the integrated infrared camera is a nice way to see whether your coffee is still warm. I can vouch for its water and impact resistance, though after some years the little flaps for the 3.5mm jack and the USB-C charging port do come off. Same with the lettering on the back, which are just stickers put into dents on the rubber pad. Though that last thing is purely cosmetic, so honestly not that big of an issue.
Thanks for reviewing these Durable phones, can you review more and the best ones in terms of price/performance. Thx
Glad you reviewed this phone. I've been looking at the V30 "Pro" its has Android 13 with better cameras and chipset (200MP/24MP/16MP/Dimensity 7050). Everything else seems to be about the same as the V30T so the review helps.
This is great to have a rugged option again. Now if only it came with a physical keyboard - we'd be all set.
Used for 2 weeks then returned it. The price was great i got it (v30) for around 330$ but the weight and size does not match with its battery autonomy. I was getting 1 to 1.5 days autonomy. Maybe its a good battery life but all what i was doing was using chrome and some whatsapp calls no games no hotspot. So i returned it anyway and wait for a better chipset
Do people often use screen recorder on a mid-range chip while testing the finger print reader speed for example?
Just asking for a friend.
Xcover6 pro. May have smaller battery but you can take it out and put in a new one, headphone jack, gorilla glass victus+ and 2 programmable buttons. If it had an ir blaster and an s pen it'd be my forever phone.
Decided to try a cheap rugged phone off AliExpress as my new daily driver a few months ago and, other than the processor and the fingwrprint scanner (which are both pretty bad) I really like how I only have tl charge it once a week and can easily clean it just by putting it under a faucet :P
I'm glad you actually got the name of the phone company right being a tech reviewer. I've been seeing a lot of reviews from Tech reviewers that are pronouncing this as Doogie like as in Doogie Howser.
I just feel as a tech reviewer if you're mispronouncing the phone company name wrong that kind of looks bad because you're not doing all of your research.
It's like if someone did I review on a Samsung phone and called it Same Sung lol.
I wouldn't have to replace a phone if it allowed me to replace the battery without a heatpad/gun.
Wish they had an accessible waterproof back cover.
Tip for sticker clean up: Tea tree oil, not sure if it's a product you can get in Canada, but use it with thick or durable paper towels and it'll clean it right up. Also works to clean up old thermal paste.
Canada unfortunately does not have tea or oil but plenty of trees 🙂
Computer repair shops down here in Australia use orange oil and it works like a charm and also smells really good. They even sell it in spray bottles too
I used to get a new phone every two years (that's when my cell phone subscribtion ends) .. but I been finding myself holding my phone for half a year longer than normal, because I don't really care for a new phone. it's doing everything that I need it to ... it's just not that rugged. I'm also a Scouts leader and do a lot of outdoor playing with kids from work ( child care) and i been finding myself in more and more situations I think I might actually benefit from a phone like this. I don't really care for the 4k thing, especially on a phone. I do would have liked to see how much impact this phone could actually take, it's what i feel like is missing in this review. And what is actually for.
I miss my samsung S8 active. That was a very well-built rugged phone.
I’m tempted to buy this phone. Does it really support ESIM. and most importantly can I use Verizon Wireless on it?
Thanks
I have a similar one to this, similar body but all black and a raised bezel.
Ulefone Power Armor 13
Pretty happy with it, dropped it many times, oft in water. 13200 mAh battery.
The sound went weird with the selfie camera, it was just in the left channel
Honestly I am so tired of glass back panels and fragile builds. You do a small mistake and you have to do a whole back replacement. I really really don't want to have a phone that has a broken screen or back, how awful that is. So durability now is a key purchasing point.
He’s talking about the notification light on old galaxy phones and I’m here thinking about the customizable notification light you could change the color of for separate apps on my old Blackberry.
I actually did a LOT of research and ended up buying this phone. looking forward to the long battery life and the ability to work without worrying about it. also, can we all agree that $1300 for the latest phone that has no more or less features is getting ridiculous. I started looking into cheaper tougher options because I'm tired of being told that the only phones are the ones from the big 3 companies.
He undersells the infrared camera. Perhaps because he isn't the target audience for a rugged phone, but that seems like a super nifty feature for a rugged phone. Gets pics of sasquatch
This Jake has the gravitas the channel needs
You should review the V-Max and other rugged phones with those ridiculous big batteries. I'm always skeptical of their claims and I would like someone to see if their specs are as they say or if they're BSing us.
Honestly, I'd want it just for the camera. If that's a Samsung sensor, it's likely the same as my S20 Ultra which I LOVED taking pictures with, even if things were overprocessed a bit. Took some absolutely stellar shots with that. If I could get that but without the overprocessing? Heaven.
The camera looks awful though in this video..
My V30T has been tough as nails but I don't understand why the phone has to be so slick..... I ended up putting some traction tape across the back which helped. I did rub the paint off the camera bezel in like 3 weeks though.
This guy has such a delightful voice for SC.
I have the Bison 2 and love it. 8gb of ram 256gb of internal storage with SSD card capabilities with a headphone jack 4g for $200. Had this phone for 5 months now with no problems.
I wouldn't pay $700 for the Doogee or any other phone....that's just me.
Doogee is my top pick for adware in the Android kernel.
Bell's stabilized head bobbing during Crab Rave in the Zenfone 10 unboxing has ruined all speaker tests for me.
Bought this phone a few days ago. I live in Florida and I cannot find any network that it will work on. Everyone tells me it's not compatible.
My doogee S96 pro still going strong after 3 years even when falling out of my pocket 3 times,
while on a bike going 35km/hr and hitting the concrete, falling in my bathtub multiple times, falling of the stairs, ...
Not sure why anyone would want another phone in their lives
I actually hoped the screen brightness to be 2x better than all other flagships
Please review the Nokia XR20 it's ruggedized but doesn't look like a brick. It also retains an audio jack without any stupid flaps. It also freaking Nokia! They've been making ruggedized phones for more then 2 decades
Do a CAT phone. Been looking at one of those for work. Has a FLIR and air quality sensors
holy shit doogee, wish they stuck to having the fingerprint scanner on the back and keeping the 3.5mm jack
Its not about how many Android updates you'll get, its how many security patches you'll get. Its all good your hardware being safe for 3 to 4 years, but the software security may only last for a year tops.
With Doogee it's either 1 or 0. I've had 2 phones from them (s60 an s89pro) in the last 5 years and it had only one SW update unfortunately.
Correction, the IP9K water protection is 10-15cm distance 80-100bar with 80-100℃ temp. 0, 30, 60, 90 degree of angle from the device that is tested. Only hot water.
Its an automotive standard for when you wash you car or even engine with a steam power washer.
Soo ... we here are rocking a couple of those A34 5G he mentioned, which we bought new for less than $200 Canadian each, and apparently this tough boy was $700US, down now to $429 US, yet the specs are similar. That means that the additional cost is entirely in the tough part ... thats a lot of expensive tough. I put a decent tough case on ours for $50 and we are a good the way there. I wouldnt buy this unless it got to less than $300 Canadian.
I don’t understand the point when a phone in a protective case will often perform better in almost all aspects.
A non technical comment: This guy's voice is amazing its like the alt brass section of an orchestra, no offense for the other hosts.
Daily drive a Nokia XR20 rugged phone. Great piece of hardware, very durable.
I bought a rugged supposedly drop-proof phone a while back. It got knocked off the table while charging and stuffed the USB charge port. Rugged my ass!
Honestly, my oldschool Nokia back in the day was 10x tougher!
Dude, you have a rad voice.
Heavy things drop harder. They should make them lighter with air gap between dampening material and the phone itself, like they do with rugged g-shocks.
This phone is for very specific kind of people, someone who needs a good battery and MOST importantly survivability in extreme conditions. This is a phone for forest workers, for lumberjacks, for construction workers, for mechanics and so on.
As a Forester I tried a few and they all kinda sucked. Run like crap, scratch and dent up, and usually have like.... ZERO customer support or software updates.
Now I just go for a midrange Samsung that's water resistant and a good case/screen protector. Works/runs so much better and gets software updates. And if I bust it up I just change case and protector.
I was just looking up thermal cameras and i think i saw doogee makes a rugged "phone" which has thermal imaging, as well as another chinese brand that i dont remember. Wonder if those are worth it over a pistol grip style camera
Nice review
ok, now that you have the machine that can regulate temperature for devices, how soon until we get adverse weather testing for phone battery life? Like how much will my battery be negatively effected if I'm stuck outside in below freezing temperatures all day?
Can you please do a laptop review for the Lenovo - Slim Pro 7 14"
Love the supermega rep
There's an electrician on here that like tbat brand, he just wants a big battery that he can work with or just be less careful, usually has pretty basic apps but that's what he likes too, h wants to make calls and that's all he wants
Surprised Doogee is still around ,they always made stuff that may look good on paper but it's trash for long term use. Seems to be the case here too, don't expect any real SW support or great warranty in case it inevitably fails. Also, arond 05:13 the side of the phone is warped, maybe because the screw was too tight. Not a good sign for a rugged phone.
My boyfriend (who's VERY clumsy) bought a Doogee s88 Plus a few years ago.
It...suited him well? I guess that's how I'd describe it.
He dropped it countless times and aside from the obvious cosmetic damage it just kept on chugging.
The main problem is that the battery (10k mAh) degraded after only a year. At first he could go 2, sometimes even 3 days without charging, however a year and a bit later he was daily charging. I feel battery quality is a main issue, probably how they keep the price so low.
The camera quality was abismal, near unusable. That's all I have to say about that.
The screen quality was good, though unimpressive.
I've got the s90. Dropped it from 7m on to solid surface and it just bounced. Ist the only phone i haven't broke within 12months.
Isn't this the same guy who said to just not drop one's phones?
Instead of, y'know, getting a case for the phone
I've got a terabyte SD card, I can not and will not upgrade to any incompatible phone, I am very glad to see an SD slot here.
Doogee are hand assembled
10:11 “don’t take that out of context”
………..”I’m sorry Dave, but I’m afraid I can’t do that”
0:43 that QR code is actually an eSIM
you guys should talk about what networks this phone will and wont work on
‘I pull up the screen recording and it has a funny mode. I didn’t laugh.’ Single funniest thing I’ve ever heard
Review for the new Amazon *GPT66X* would be good, pls bro
tbh rugged phones are under reviewed. kinda sad linus didnt review the CAT phone he demoed with the thermal filter awhile back. would love to see more on these types of phones!
I miss the notification light on the front of phones.
Had a doogee x5 back in 2016 /2017. Was better that the iphone of the day for 120 euro. I will stand by that fact. Was slim, high battery life, had 2 cameras , fingerprint. All of these and more than iphone had so better
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I'm thankful my Xperia 1 III has a notification led. It's disappointing Sony decided to remove it from the Xperia 1 V.
7:00 Listen, we're old, but we're not that old... My note 9 has a notification LED...
CAT (the machinery compagny) did the S61 and S62 that are rugged phone, don't know if they have a succesor
There's a CAT S75 but not sure how rugged that is. Doesn't look like quite the brick the S61 is. And frankly, considering my CAT S61 is still quite alive, I wouldn't really expect a proper successor yet. They just live that long.
I’m over fragile reviews, good to watch one that's not afraid to be hard.
shortcircuit doesnt do reviews, this is an initial impression
@@ricknaam5658 I know that is the intent, but when you go as far as to reference lab results for comparisons. It's now borderline a review.
Shortcircut is shitty reviews that dont even have the decency to claim to be reviews. They are just shit
had a doogee s70, for the price back then, performance was awesome , but about rugedeness .... dead speaker, dead charging port, melted charging cable, water damage from being submerged for 15 sec... so much about ruggedness
If you rugged phone is less expensive that your high end smartphone, you're buying a brick ...
Making it resistant is an extra cost, and a hard engineering challenge both for heat and impact management.
I feel like testing the phone in a studio environment is rather missing the design target. Should go somewhere near the sea/waters or a muddy/dusty/foresty place or somewhere similar. Need more scratches and dirt on it.
Never thought I'd hear the "Doogee" brand name again
That battery is real interesting
I must admit that it's tempting, Note 9s are getting hard to find parts or replacements for but boy do I wish it had a headphone jack.
i bought a couple extra month ago from an official part shop, but couldn't get any display :(
That's the only part that if broken, i can't replace.
Apparently Samsung do still have batteries in their shop
@@vlycop7404 What country do you live in? I have at least one parts phone with a working original screen, in fact everything except the charging port works.
@@Voltaic_Fire France, and i should (but i don't have the order in mind) have 2 spare of the charging port
@@vlycop7404 So in theory I could send you two phones, one for you to fix the charging port on then send back to me and the other for you to pull the screen out for your phone. 🤔
You'd get the much better deal of course but you'd also be doing the fixing since I neither have the ability or inclination to do so.
I was interested until the brightness was brought up. I work outside in the day and have dropped my phone over 10ft. This looked perfect until I realized it'd look like trash in sunlight.
Perfect for an outdoor worker until you realize it sucks outdoors. I guess this is a phone for a klutzy office worker.
The other day you got that sponsor for a battery charger and it was not even out yet, that is not cool.
How fixable is it?
i have doogee s96pro. It survived quite a few drops on concrete and swims in a river, still works fine. So i don't have complains about that. But it recieved precisely zero updates since i bought it, it's still on android 10. Bootloader is actually unlocked but all fancy stuff (like nightvision camera) requires proprietary drivers. So manual update is pointless as well
Why would you hold up your phone during a concert? How would you enjoy the concert?
its so durable that you can literally throw that phone to your enemies or slap them with this phone and they will ended up with bruises and yet the phone is still fine. no scratches or anything
I have a Doogee V30 (non-T), got for £280 on a pre-release price. Compared to others I am very pleased at the price point. Most days of 9 hours of on screen time (quite a few on youtube and pokemon go) I usually have 65% average battery left. Camera could be better and there is a fair amount of apps I would like to remove (a lot of googles). Overall I am pleased and no longer get the battery anxiety I used to. It is the OS support that bothers me. But hey for the price I paid I am pleased, not to mention my daughter likes to steal my phone and throw it about, I no longer care.