I should have mentioned, I'm speaking of the default controls of course. You can remap them in the controls options. Also, I am an idiot and didn't remember the 180 flip maneuver for dog fighting. Whoops. I also am aware of the jedi sprinting attacks, I just didn't think they were as important as a few others it seems. Grievous is better with that attack, I just feel sad for him that he doesn't have a secondary or something.
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but you're able to do a 180/immelmann in starfighters with C on mouse and keyboard, not sure about controller
I was playing the Steam version today. I was playing as the Darktrooper and had almost every single buff equipped. Had tons of fun killing the primitive underdeveloped Wookiee population on Kashyyyk with my technologically advanced gear
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 just because there’s a lot more crap doesn’t mean it isn’t crap. It looks really pretty but that’s all dice can contribute. The gameplay is boring as hell. The campaign is not only forgettable but borderline regrettable too. The original had its flaws and I wouldn’t even go so far to say it’s better than the new one but the new one definitely isn’t better either. It’s abundantly clear that the heart that was present in the originals is absent in the remakes and that’s what’s so disappointing. It’s not even the fault of the devs as they clearly love Star Wars but just the interference of Lucasarts and EA really, but nonetheless the game just feels kind of empty and soulless.
@@EpicCloneTrooper EA's BFII Ewok Hunt is plain terrifying. Whenever it appears on quickplay i groan, but the feeling it gives while playing is *cheff kiss*
There was a cool unkown trick that I used back in the day. During space battles you could land the troop transport ships on anything out in space by simply spamming the take off/land button while leaving the hangar. It was so cool to find your guy walking on the exterior of the mothership while enemy fighters would come by and shoot you. I think I nearly cried in joy the first time I did it.
Me and my friends did this we played rocket troopers with one as a engineer and landed on the enemy ships just before the hanger and would just shoot down enemy ships it was fun until engineer ran out of supplies Wich happens rarely . My favorite class was sniper and normal . I want them to remake the game and Hasbro makes a new star wars battlefront 2 set and this time have them be all befult colors
@@akumati86 Yeah that's right you could do that with any ship but it was better with the transport ship because you could respawn on it after the enemy fighters came by and straffed ya haha 😂
Okay, so here's the difference between Normal and Elite. Outside of you, there's no difference (in the base game - mods have their own parameters). As far as the players go, all units are aware of your position and when you're in reasonable range, they aim for you instead of opponents right in front of them. If you're a good survivalist, then it makes it easier for the rest of your team to take CPs. Which is why there's so much back-and-forth as to whether it's more difficult or not.
@11th_defender51 there is a difference in elite they notice you more and quickly take cover while also being more precise in normal they shoot you but their bullets somehow go around you wild stuff my man
No jabbas palace was actually in ps2's port. I remember playing that map alot because of the rancor as well as the guards that kill you with one hit being in it.
You're sleeping on the possibilities of playing Galactic Conquest with four friends. I and three other friends spent almost 2 whole weeks on it. Story time: In the beginning, I and my teammate were getting crushed in land battles and were losing all our planets to the point where we only had Polis Massa left (We played as the Rebels). Thankfully we held our own during space battles so we set up a space blockade around Polis Massa with our last two ships. After earning enough credits from victorious space battles with our blockade, we purchased some upgrades and other infantry classes. From this, we were able to push back our other buddies playing as the Empire to the point where we had gained half the galaxy back in our control. Our two opponent buddies eventually forfeited because they just couldn't win anymore. We actually would plan out how we would engage each other in both battles and strategic planning. Galactic conquest could literally be one of the best experiences with the right people and implemented correctly.
Battle of Tantive IV in the movie: stormtroopers blow the door, some shots are fired, rebels loose the hallway. Battle of Tantive IV in the game: *Storming right in into a hailstorm of blaster fire shooting everything in front of you while your grandpa gets Vietnam flashbacks and Sabaton music plays in the background*
Some unique dialog I remember hearing from stormtroopers was, "Sure, join the Empire and see the galaxy". I think it is a reference to an army recruitment line. I also remember hearing a stormtrooper whistling the Empire's main music them while I was in combat!
The rant starting at 44:00 about AI Conquest Ship Battle was something I never knew I needed. I couldn't stop laughing once you got going. The sheer dread of seeing that ship flying towards you on the map and having to deal with another space battle is not something easily understood.
You can accelerate the improved controllable rocket, Space Ship Passenger Rockets, and Chewbacca's rockets to increase their AoE range and damage to ridiculous levels by sprinting while controlling the rocket.
true, i got really sad when he wasnt aware of the true power of this weapon of mass destruction. At least against the AI, the Remote Rocket can transform you into the wrath of an angry god. On Hoth as tactical artillery support or on Polis Massa as chokepoint lockdown on CP 2 specifically. Its my favorite thing to do in this game^^
@@datzfatz2368 Yeah, with the remote rocket, you basically are artillery, and god, it is almost stupid how effective it is, I love it. Definitely not suited for every map though, like Naboo, that's for sure.
Gaming was so much better before companies realized the disgusting profits they could reap from it. You can tell so many older games had some serious time and care put into them. They had so much personality.
When video games started getting too popular for their own good, the mainstream and the corporate world got their dirty hands on all of it and ruined them. Mainstream and the corporate world ruins everything it touches.
One of my favorite things was using the fusion cutter to repair your capital ship in space combat. It took a while but it was a nice detail to be able to bring our shields back up or to fix the engines
Whenever I played Galatic conquest as the CIS, on Coresaunt I always pick the “hero” bonus, and as Darth Maul you can sprint your way toward the enemies first post and just slaughter your way through until you capture the outpost. And since they no other command posts in the beginning, you can literally beat that map in less then a minute if you go out of your way to it.
Same with the polis masa map I would get all but one command posts and the ai would bunch up in the hallway so I could run at them with darth maul and absolutely slaughter them in one sprint attack
Online Multiplayer definitely improved some of the maps and gamemodes. Mos Eisley Assault Mode was the classic map where duels would take place. There was always a server running Mos Eisley Assault, and regardless of Jedi or Sith, there was a duel etiquette that most people would follow: wait in line at the hangar with the Skiff for your battle, winner takes on the next in line. There was also a glitch with a Wookie/Chewbacca on the Skiff, where it would fall endlessly and continuously generate healing and ammo, which was great for the winner to replenish after a battle. Kashyyk used the back gated area a lot when one team was losing, as it would be very easy to defend. Servers usually had extremely high population counts and timers beyond normal limits, so the only way to actually win Conquest on that map was to capture that last heavily fortified post. The Death Star and its holding cells was often used for Prison Break roleplay servers, which you can see nowadays in other sandbox games like Gmod. Hoth's Hunt mode was actually one of the more popular Hunt modes, since the Wampas play just like many modern multiplayer zombie infection gamemodes, like Halo's Infection. Echo base was a good spot to hole up. In terms of classes, the best players tended to stick to the standard classes. People with good aim would usually use Sniper. People with very good mechanical knowledge would use the Engineer for its versatility. Normal Rifleman was usually only good when you got the elite weapons. The Rocket Launcher trooper was for people who could manage mines and hit a rocket launcher right at your feet, both of which can kill an un-careful hero. Engineers had the droppable large healing and ammo canisters, useful for self and teammates, a solid shotgun for standard use, the ability to fix vehicles, droids, and map items, and a hidden technique to do a Detpack throw. Some of the best Engineer players would be able to Detpack throw as far and as hard as throwing a Thermal Detonator. You can do a detpack throw by initiating the detpack throw animation, looking down, and then looking forward at the same rate the arm animation was going upwards. Detpacks also have controllable detonation, can be pre-placed, and deal enough damage and force to ragdoll a hero, which is a huge opportunity for your team to finish them while they can't lightsaber block. As an Engineer, you could actually go around the Polis Massa space section by utilizing most of your healing items, since players tend to not defend those hangars. Then, fix up an ammo droid, replenish your healing items, and wreck the other team's backline.
Truly classic game, a great review. I agree wholeheartedly that the iterative design was spot on here despite missing some banger maps from the first game. I still think it's of the biggest letdowns in gaming history that we didn't get a battlefront 3 where they could've refined it even further.
I've seen several Battlefront Reviews (2004,2005) but yours was the best, I can feel that you really have a fondness for the games, and that you played them a lot. congratulations for the video. A hug from Brazil
It's so cool when an older game like this still REALLY holds up even years later! As always a very well done, thoughtful and complete review (what I've come to expect from this channel). Great job as always, look forward to seeing your next video! :)
It has been for at least two or three years now. It is also for the Original Battlefront game as well. The Original Battlefront has Jabba's Palace added.
Ah, Battlefront 2... A game I have some significant mixed feelings about. On the one hand, the addition units and most of the gameplay changes are great additions, and the redone Galactic Conquest and Campaign modes are both excellent. On the other hand... First and foremost, I don't like the fact that so many maps have been purged. I understand that two maps per planet would make Galactic Conquest a lot more of a bloated mess but so many great maps got lost. No Rhen Var, no Bespin, those are some brilliant maps that I don't understand the loss of. Doubly so, I miss the starfighters on ground maps. I assume that's why Dune Sea ended up getting tanked, perhaps the same with Bespin Platforms, because they didn't want starfighters on the ground so as not to mess up the space battles, but I still miss them, and considering how the Snowspeeders worked fine on Hoth I don't really see *why* we couldn't have had fighters in both. My biggest complaint, though? I think the original *looks* better. I've always felt like Battlefront 2 looks lower resolution, far less clean, and less interested in terms of its maps (complaints about boring grey colours resonate very heavily with me) compared to the more vibrant, crisper looking Battlefront. Even when I played both on a PS2 for the first time, on the same TV, and playing them both on the PC has done nothing to disabuse me of this notion. The same goes for the menus and the HUD; in the original they looked more interesting, more futuristic, with the hard angles and the blue colour, compared to the frankly boring (in my own opinion, I must stress) design that Battlefront 2 went with. I do wonder if I'm the only one who feels this way. In most respects I can see where Battlefront 2 offers a great improvement but there's a part of me that gravitates more towards the original.
I agree, the maps from the first game and the artistic differences definitely sucked even if the game was overall an improvement on its predecessor. Imagine if Galactic conquest was expanded with some of the old maps, even just with two more planets like Rhen Var and Bespin, it would make the mode a little more replayable.
I just love the II but I feel you, I think the same. Thats something pretty funny about games for me, honestly, I really feel that "a huge amount of retro games actually looks better than their sequels or most new titles". I love Battlefront II, but the mechanics and WIDER stuff of the original is also pretty sweet. Crawling on the ground and fighters on ground maps were so awesome (and Battlefront II of PC have maps with space-ground battles including fighters and ground soldiers, so it demonstrates it is posible to have both mixed and be EPIC)
@@quarreneverett4767 PC Version has mods that even includes clone wars (tv series) maps, like the temple were Ventress hide Jabbas son, the fallen ship were Grivous first appeared and defeated 5 jedi, Umbara, Christophsis, etc. Its just so big and improved
I actually just discovered that hole on Geonosis a few days ago. I rarely play that map and I’m still kinda new to the game because I only ever played with my cousin when we were little. So not knowing what it was, I thought maybe they had some idea for catacombs like in TCW. So I jumped down it and busted out laughing when I died. Also, the way Vader came out, murdered his son in two strikes, and walked back into the cantina killed me.
One thing I learned about the hero battles is that the good side ALWAYS won if left to their own devices. I played that mode so many times that I just started to fuck around without killing anyone (like trying to climb that giant junk pile in the middle of the map) and the good guys won every time I did.
Honestly I do wish there were 2 battlefields on each planet. I do miss that from the first game. They could have expanded Galatic Conquest. Still a better game then Battlefront II EA Also, You Obi-wan Kenobi alone, He is majestic af!
Actually...Anakin does like to do figure-8s and other shapes for anything other than singular thrust or slash. It makes sense in the context of fighting another jedi/sith or large groups of people, though.
"I wish more maps had ways to interact with the environment like this (Mustafar) and the Death Star" There are some cut voicelines from Temeura Morrison for use in the tutorial that imply this was the plan originally. He describes the engineer class as having an ability to slice into more things like doors, too, if I remember correctly.
The above head view of this game was the best. You could see most of the area around you and you had a fast movement speed without running which helped everything feel quick and snappy.
Man, I loved this game. I spent hours in an interceptor in the space missions, springing out from under the hull of the enemy capital ship to fire a full salvo of rockets up the back-end of other players, and then U-turning back under to wait for my next target. Fun fact, the Imperial commander/announcer is credited as "Smarmy British Palpatine Supporter." The interesting thing about BFII is that it was one of the few bits of Star Wars media (and certainly the highest-profile one) that actually addressed the human cost of the Death Star's destruction. The Yavin missions late in the campaign are basically the Empire going on a vengeful rampage against the Rebels, and the way the game sets it up makes you feel downright heroic as you shred X-Wings with a TIE Interceptor and gradually claw your way up the map to storm the rooms where Leia, Threepio, and Dodonna clustered around holograms during the climax of Episode IV. Even Smarmy British Palpatine Supporter gets in on the melancholy for a bit, solemnly praising the Clones' performance and adding "The spirits of our fallen brothers will sleep soundly tonight."
Hearing those lines take me back to my childhood😭 this game will always be a game in our hearts no matter how many loot boxes come our way. I honestly love both 2004 & 2005 battlefronts equal in their own mechanic gameplay 🎮 Pandemic was a true game studio that didn’t care about extra profits but instead gameplay and story telling. Compare battlefronts and mercenaries and you’ll see they have almost the same mechanic gameplay true classic never goes out of style !
Oh, about the Kashyyyk beachhead walls, they are much more fought around in splitscreen, or at least that was the case for me, have so many memories of a player holding out there by the broken walls fighting the other player with an elite rifle while also having a secondary command post on the opposite edge of the map.
Can’t wait to revisit this gem with my best friend on PS5. We used to play this CONSTANTLY after school. It’s been 15 years since we last touched the game. So much has changed, yet we felt like kids on Christmas when we received the announcement of the “remaster” (idk if they actually changed anything about the game). So excited! Great vid btw. Made me remember why I loved the game so much.
25:20 I DWELLED ON IT, and you don't even have to turn all the way around to chase a ship. You simply push up on the analogue stick twice in quick succession before using evade button 👍
Nice work man! I remember getting this for Christmas and went right up to my room after breakfast and played this game until school started again haha!
Just saw this come up in my suggested videos - and since I helped out on both Battlefront 1 and 2, it's always interesting to see/hear what folks think about them, even all these years later!
You should have mentioned in assault mode on mos eisley, the villains almost always win. Probably because of Darth maul, but I've spent an insane amount of time on that mode playing as both and no matter what it's always geared towards the villains
Perfection. Only critic was being very restrictive on air to ground combat (can only do that on Hoth with speeders, BF1 was perfect letting you use X-wings on Naboo, bespin and others!
This, the maps and the more lore accurate effects for weapons and vehicles are why i think I will always prefer the original 2004 game over Battlefront 2.
@@UnknownZealot77 RIGHT! I forgot the amazing sound design of the first game. To this day I remember the explosive ELECTRIC grenades from the Clone Wars era!
Ea’s battlefront 2 is completely different from release now. It is so much fun and reminds me a lot of this game. Hats off to dice for sticking with it
Is it worth getting? I grew up on this one. I remember I copped the first battlefront remake & it was so disappointing/embarrassing so I was hesitant about copping the second
@@lifeonmars03 Yes, I'd say it's worth getting. You can buy it for a very low price, and it's a ton of fun especially if you've got a buddy or two to play it with. Played it a ton with one of my best friends this past summer and it was an absolute blast.
"The Death Star mission goes into how the Rebels stole the Death Star plans, which again I don't know if it's canon or not" there's an entire movie about it lol
@@OtaniNoAsagiI think Lucas himself once said before the Disney buyout the only things in the series that counted as canon was the 6(at the time) movies and the clone wars cgi tv series.
This is definitely a game you want to play on PC. The graphic mods, map packs (one ports the entire BF1 lineup to BF2) and new units/heros were all so much fun.
For grevious, his standard attacks and abilities are passable but his dash attack is unrivaled in the game. It can clear out rooms faster than any other lightsaber hero and you'll be running fast enough that dodging fire won't be too hard, especially once you start cutting into whatever is in front of you
It's funny how often I'm hearing about either grevious specifically or dash attacks in general. I feel like I missed out on not talking about them, but what can you do. I do think grevious's dash attack is pretty good, he just makes me sad since he kind of gets left out from the cool secondary stuff. Didn't he have a unique gun fighting obi-wan? Maybe he could have coughed on enemies or something lmao
General Grievous is actually much stronger than indicated in the video simply because he has a very strong and consistent sprint attack, something that I think is often overlooked.
@@parjai97 I dunno, I've won entire Galactic Conquest skirmishes on Elite using the turrets alone, it at least helps spice up the gameplay if you're sick of doing bombing runs. That's the thing I love about Battlefront II is, in Instant Action and Galactic Conquest, you can choose the way you participate in the battle from sniping, pushing with vehicles and especially space battles where you can dogfight against the enemy, defend your ship with interceptors and turrets, bomb the enemy ships or land a drop ship and take them out within.
Thank you for reviewing both titles, these games were given to me along with a PS2 for christmas one 2008 year when I was 8 years old. Never stopped playing them, an now that I am older I play it to this day on PC with mods and modded maps. :)
on the xbox one/ xbox one x (series x ect) version of the game, the original xbox DLC has been added to the game whenever you download it now. It was added back last year i believe?
You should review all the mods for this game. Especially star wars battlefront 3 leagcy it recreates the canceled star wars battlefront 3 within battlefront 2 complete with space to ground combat and high res hd models
What I love so much about this game is the clones are accurate to the era. The clone armor right before and during the fall of the republic was this style, not the weird can head helmets. Nice touch of detail
Battlefront 2 wasn’t just a great Star Wars game,first and foremost it was a great game. All the best star wars games tend to hold up without the star wars branding.
9:53 Funny enough, in the Spanish translated game (for the original Xbox at least), that Gun is called "The disintegrator", and I always remembered for that, the name and the interesting effect it causes in the enemy units, like "disintegrating them"
25:20 - I'm sure there is a way to pull a 180 and turn right around. I believe it involved pulled back on the analogue stick while pressing the roll button.
I thought I was missing something. I remembered an animation where you did a backflip 180 thing, but I couldn't get it to trigger when I was trying for it. Maybe I'm just an idiot, who knows.
Yeah for any ship except the transport you can do evasive maneuvers by hitting a specific button once to stay going in the same direction (decent for missiles) and twice for 180 (okay for evading interceptors & turrets) and flicking the strafe in the direction you want to dodge towards
So that part where you said “you’ll find yourself hiding out in the enemy hanger to farm gunslinger awards” and “you might camp out on Hoth doing nothing else but fire at AT-AT weak spots” That was me. I did literally both of those things for hours 😂
The lay down feature made a HUGE diffrent and impact on the battlefront, alone that modern shooters reimplement that feature again should tell you that.
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I should have mentioned, I'm speaking of the default controls of course. You can remap them in the controls options.
Also, I am an idiot and didn't remember the 180 flip maneuver for dog fighting. Whoops.
I also am aware of the jedi sprinting attacks, I just didn't think they were as important as a few others it seems. Grievous is better with that attack, I just feel sad for him that he doesn't have a secondary or something.
Love your reviews man, they are nicely structured, with the timestamp and all, oh and I also subscribed
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but you're able to do a 180/immelmann in starfighters with C on mouse and keyboard, not sure about controller
You also can shoot at the AT-AT’s neck for extra damage.
You can also just force choke and lightsaber throw the Jedi as Anakin in the campaign.
@@sambromberger2400 you can
Battlefront 2 (2005): “Was I a good game?”
Everyone: “No, you were the best.”
me playing this back then in my fat ps2
I was playing the Steam version today. I was playing as the Darktrooper and had almost every single buff equipped. Had tons of fun killing the primitive underdeveloped Wookiee population on Kashyyyk with my technologically advanced gear
Unbeatable
Saw it on backwards compatibility for Xbox one and got it aswell as first one. I think sale is still going on
@@WestbustahSaucedo play it on my slim ps2 in 2022
Was it just me, or did Vaders breathing in the cave freak you out when you were playing as a kid?
Yeah considering if you had heroes turned on in the galactic civil war you could been slaughtered down there trying to take that outpost lol.
I use to think the command post was an trap while hearing Vader breathing...
Yes!
As a kid? I still get freaked out lmao
@@jackson_kennedy same
This game is everything EA’s battlefront should have been.
Except the saber combat
@@marbl3d45 heroes never should have been multi-player.
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 yeah that sounds like a Californian's opinion
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 At launch i'd say no. But currently with Instant Action and Capital Supremacy it's amazing.
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 just because there’s a lot more crap doesn’t mean it isn’t crap. It looks really pretty but that’s all dice can contribute. The gameplay is boring as hell. The campaign is not only forgettable but borderline regrettable too. The original had its flaws and I wouldn’t even go so far to say it’s better than the new one but the new one definitely isn’t better either. It’s abundantly clear that the heart that was present in the originals is absent in the remakes and that’s what’s so disappointing. It’s not even the fault of the devs as they clearly love Star Wars but just the interference of Lucasarts and EA really, but nonetheless the game just feels kind of empty and soulless.
this game is basically my childhood. and in all the hours i have played it is first now i learn that there is an award system
I knew about the awards, but I didn’t know there were award weapons. Guess I was never good enough to earn them as a kid, lol.
I think it may be bugged on ps2
Same
@@B_Skizzle you would have to get 12 kills with the Class that had a blaster rifle and it would shoot out purple bolts in bursts
My brain wasn't developed enough as a kid to acknowledge that I am shooting OP purple blasters all of a sudden lol.
Ewok Hunt 2005: "Wipe them out, all of them."
Ewok Hunt EAFront: "They're coming out of the fucking trees! Game over, man! Game over!"
I like EA’s version of Ewok hunt,just wish the had more hunts than just Ewoks
@@EpicCloneTrooper EA's BFII Ewok Hunt is plain terrifying. Whenever it appears on quickplay i groan, but the feeling it gives while playing is *cheff kiss*
Honestly who would have thought that a Star Wars zombie survival mode where the zombies are Ewoks would be so good
Is was masterful
@@NightHao it's straight up space Vietnam and it's amazing. The anxiety when my flashlight has to recharge is insane.
There was a cool unkown trick that I used back in the day. During space battles you could land the troop transport ships on anything out in space by simply spamming the take off/land button while leaving the hangar. It was so cool to find your guy walking on the exterior of the mothership while enemy fighters would come by and shoot you. I think I nearly cried in joy the first time I did it.
You could have done that with any ship. Was pretty entertaining.
It blew my mind, when I figured that out. I was really young.
Me and my friends did this we played rocket troopers with one as a engineer and landed on the enemy ships just before the hanger and would just shoot down enemy ships it was fun until engineer ran out of supplies Wich happens rarely . My favorite class was sniper and normal . I want them to remake the game and Hasbro makes a new star wars battlefront 2 set and this time have them be all befult colors
@@akumati86 Yeah that's right you could do that with any ship but it was better with the transport ship because you could respawn on it after the enemy fighters came by and straffed ya haha 😂
I did that all the time when I was younger, it was the funniest thing in universe.
This game is my childhood. Nothing will ever come close to The iconic Temuera Morrison voice over campaign and OP award weapons. What a classic.
Okay, so here's the difference between Normal and Elite.
Outside of you, there's no difference (in the base game - mods have their own parameters).
As far as the players go, all units are aware of your position and when you're in reasonable range, they aim for you instead of opponents right in front of them. If you're a good survivalist, then it makes it easier for the rest of your team to take CPs. Which is why there's so much back-and-forth as to whether it's more difficult or not.
so there is actually no difference at all? I just assumed it had so much rubber banding that you wouldn't really be able to tell.
@11th_defender51 there is a difference in elite they notice you more and quickly take cover while also being more precise in normal they shoot you but their bullets somehow go around you wild stuff my man
I never realized the magma guard’s rockets were supposed to be tracking
years and years of this game and I had no idea. Just spam that shit
I only use their grenade pulse things lol
0:01 I always heard that as "fire on flight deck AAAAAAAAA!"
What’s it supposed to be
That's the most dispassionate scream ever 🤣🤣🤣
@@jacksondrew960on flight deck aft like the aft of the ship (idk if I spelled it right)
42:36
Just casually does the voice while saying "In Galactic Conquest" from Battlefront 2004
Haha didnt noticed :P
This dude has the slickest references I think I've ever seen and they are amazing lmao
One detail you got wrong was that Jabbas Palace was actually from this game and was back ported to the original as Free DLC.
I have both the PS2 and PC versions of the 2004 Battlefront......sadly, only the PC one had Jabba's Palace
@@melissajove2932 yeah only the PC and Xbox(if you have the dlc installed or have the Xbox One/Series version) have the DLC
I have Jabba's palace on ps2
@@shockmandalorian3572 thats BF2. BF1 got it back-ported on PC and Xbox as dlc.
No jabbas palace was actually in ps2's port. I remember playing that map alot because of the rancor as well as the guards that kill you with one hit being in it.
You're sleeping on the possibilities of playing Galactic Conquest with four friends. I and three other friends spent almost 2 whole weeks on it. Story time: In the beginning, I and my teammate were getting crushed in land battles and were losing all our planets to the point where we only had Polis Massa left (We played as the Rebels). Thankfully we held our own during space battles so we set up a space blockade around Polis Massa with our last two ships. After earning enough credits from victorious space battles with our blockade, we purchased some upgrades and other infantry classes. From this, we were able to push back our other buddies playing as the Empire to the point where we had gained half the galaxy back in our control. Our two opponent buddies eventually forfeited because they just couldn't win anymore. We actually would plan out how we would engage each other in both battles and strategic planning. Galactic conquest could literally be one of the best experiences with the right people and implemented correctly.
The AI struggles immensely with certain level geometry such as the Kamino ramps or that corner on Naboo.
Or just the entirety of polass massa so many good clones died trying to take it in galactic conquest and never succeeded
That corner on Naboo has been fixed with a mod updating that map
“SET ‘EM UP AND KNOCK ‘EM DOWN!”
"The bigger they are, the harder they fall!"
"I'm glad you're on our side!"
@@LordofMovies91 *Immediately blasts fellow clone everytime they say that line*
"WAS IT SOMETHING I SAID!?"
Battle of Tantive IV in the movie: stormtroopers blow the door, some shots are fired, rebels loose the hallway.
Battle of Tantive IV in the game: *Storming right in into a hailstorm of blaster fire shooting everything in front of you while your grandpa gets Vietnam flashbacks and Sabaton music plays in the background*
Then some idiot throws a grenade in the middle of the hallway and causes mass geonocide
The chaingun was probably my favorite weapon of the game. Being able to hold entire bridges on my own by regulating the bursts was _satisfying_
Some unique dialog I remember hearing from stormtroopers was, "Sure, join the Empire and see the galaxy". I think it is a reference to an army recruitment line. I also remember hearing a stormtrooper whistling the Empire's main music them while I was in combat!
Rare dialogue! There's I think a 2 percent chance that an enemy (or ally) will say something during the game like that.
We need an IWHBYD mod...
@@kabob0077 There was one back in the day, but it got taken down for having malicious code in it, and another hasn’t been made since.
@@TGOPoma Ah, that's a shame.
The rant starting at 44:00 about AI Conquest Ship Battle was something I never knew I needed. I couldn't stop laughing once you got going. The sheer dread of seeing that ship flying towards you on the map and having to deal with another space battle is not something easily understood.
You should have mentioned how broken sprinting attacks are for some lightsaber heroes it turns Grievous from meh to a weapon of destruction.
One of the reasons Maul is my favorite hero/villain to play
@@imanallamericanrejek yeah that definitely is a good point
“Your screams are like music to my audio receptors”
@@darkvoid4643 "This is Grievous, lets make this quick"
@@marccamp6376 “look out it’s major malevolence err general grievous!”
You can accelerate the improved controllable rocket, Space Ship Passenger Rockets, and Chewbacca's rockets to increase their AoE range and damage to ridiculous levels by sprinting while controlling the rocket.
true, i got really sad when he wasnt aware of the true power of this weapon of mass destruction. At least against the AI, the Remote Rocket can transform you into the wrath of an angry god. On Hoth as tactical artillery support or on Polis Massa as chokepoint lockdown on CP 2 specifically. Its my favorite thing to do in this game^^
@@datzfatz2368 Yeah, with the remote rocket, you basically are artillery, and god, it is almost stupid how effective it is, I love it. Definitely not suited for every map though, like Naboo, that's for sure.
Try it on Hoth when playing XL mode. Pure madness, bodies flying everywhere. You can get ~120 kills in like 5 min.
I went over to a buddy's house in elementary school. He and his brother 2v1's me and did nothing but homing rocket'd me in tandem.
Hilarious.
Gaming was so much better before companies realized the disgusting profits they could reap from it. You can tell so many older games had some serious time and care put into them. They had so much personality.
When video games started getting too popular for their own good, the mainstream and the corporate world got their dirty hands on all of it and ruined them. Mainstream and the corporate world ruins everything it touches.
wasnt expecting an EDF reference lmaoo nice
Its not surprising, battlefront 2 already feels like a mix of EDF and dynasty warriors lmao
What's edf
Earth defense force?
@@zaicanna96 EDF DEPLOYS
@Crom smite you thats EDL xd
18:18 Darth Vader breathing in the dagobah caves and then Vader actually shows up... hilarious
One of my favorite things was using the fusion cutter to repair your capital ship in space combat. It took a while but it was a nice detail to be able to bring our shields back up or to fix the engines
Whenever I played Galatic conquest as the CIS, on Coresaunt I always pick the “hero” bonus, and as Darth Maul you can sprint your way toward the enemies first post and just slaughter your way through until you capture the outpost. And since they no other command posts in the beginning, you can literally beat that map in less then a minute if you go out of your way to it.
Yep!! You could do the same with Luke Skywalker relatively easily.
"Coresaunt"
Same with the polis masa map I would get all but one command posts and the ai would bunch up in the hallway so I could run at them with darth maul and absolutely slaughter them in one sprint attack
@@riverinjun3141 "earth maul"
I remember doing this quite often
Online Multiplayer definitely improved some of the maps and gamemodes.
Mos Eisley Assault Mode was the classic map where duels would take place. There was always a server running Mos Eisley Assault, and regardless of Jedi or Sith, there was a duel etiquette that most people would follow: wait in line at the hangar with the Skiff for your battle, winner takes on the next in line. There was also a glitch with a Wookie/Chewbacca on the Skiff, where it would fall endlessly and continuously generate healing and ammo, which was great for the winner to replenish after a battle.
Kashyyk used the back gated area a lot when one team was losing, as it would be very easy to defend. Servers usually had extremely high population counts and timers beyond normal limits, so the only way to actually win Conquest on that map was to capture that last heavily fortified post.
The Death Star and its holding cells was often used for Prison Break roleplay servers, which you can see nowadays in other sandbox games like Gmod.
Hoth's Hunt mode was actually one of the more popular Hunt modes, since the Wampas play just like many modern multiplayer zombie infection gamemodes, like Halo's Infection. Echo base was a good spot to hole up.
In terms of classes, the best players tended to stick to the standard classes. People with good aim would usually use Sniper. People with very good mechanical knowledge would use the Engineer for its versatility. Normal Rifleman was usually only good when you got the elite weapons. The Rocket Launcher trooper was for people who could manage mines and hit a rocket launcher right at your feet, both of which can kill an un-careful hero.
Engineers had the droppable large healing and ammo canisters, useful for self and teammates, a solid shotgun for standard use, the ability to fix vehicles, droids, and map items, and a hidden technique to do a Detpack throw. Some of the best Engineer players would be able to Detpack throw as far and as hard as throwing a Thermal Detonator. You can do a detpack throw by initiating the detpack throw animation, looking down, and then looking forward at the same rate the arm animation was going upwards. Detpacks also have controllable detonation, can be pre-placed, and deal enough damage and force to ragdoll a hero, which is a huge opportunity for your team to finish them while they can't lightsaber block.
As an Engineer, you could actually go around the Polis Massa space section by utilizing most of your healing items, since players tend to not defend those hangars. Then, fix up an ammo droid, replenish your healing items, and wreck the other team's backline.
Thats neat. Best of games go hand in hand with best of player-bases. That goes with a lot of things actually, good brews good
that sounds alot like the rules of dark souls 3 fight club
Truly classic game, a great review. I agree wholeheartedly that the iterative design was spot on here despite missing some banger maps from the first game. I still think it's of the biggest letdowns in gaming history that we didn't get a battlefront 3 where they could've refined it even further.
I've seen several Battlefront Reviews (2004,2005) but yours was the best, I can feel that you really have a fondness for the games, and that you played them a lot. congratulations for the video. A hug from Brazil
It's so cool when an older game like this still REALLY holds up even years later!
As always a very well done, thoughtful and complete review (what I've come to expect from this channel).
Great job as always, look forward to seeing your next video! :)
Both Original Battlefronts received their DLC Content back in 2019. Xbox One users only though.
Yep, and PC players have a simple drag & drop mod that adds the DLC as well. The only ones left out are the PS2 players.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 yep it’s like they had the files ready but forgot to drag and drop them for the full release on PC.
I believe the Xbox patch/dlc is available now. Adds those maps, two hero’s and also allows the ai to use hero’s if you refuse to take the offer.
It has been for at least two or three years now. It is also for the Original Battlefront game as well. The Original Battlefront has Jabba's Palace added.
Not to mention more maps having Heroes and Villains mode.
I believe it was kit fisto, and ventrus
Ah, Battlefront 2... A game I have some significant mixed feelings about. On the one hand, the addition units and most of the gameplay changes are great additions, and the redone Galactic Conquest and Campaign modes are both excellent. On the other hand...
First and foremost, I don't like the fact that so many maps have been purged. I understand that two maps per planet would make Galactic Conquest a lot more of a bloated mess but so many great maps got lost. No Rhen Var, no Bespin, those are some brilliant maps that I don't understand the loss of. Doubly so, I miss the starfighters on ground maps. I assume that's why Dune Sea ended up getting tanked, perhaps the same with Bespin Platforms, because they didn't want starfighters on the ground so as not to mess up the space battles, but I still miss them, and considering how the Snowspeeders worked fine on Hoth I don't really see *why* we couldn't have had fighters in both.
My biggest complaint, though? I think the original *looks* better. I've always felt like Battlefront 2 looks lower resolution, far less clean, and less interested in terms of its maps (complaints about boring grey colours resonate very heavily with me) compared to the more vibrant, crisper looking Battlefront. Even when I played both on a PS2 for the first time, on the same TV, and playing them both on the PC has done nothing to disabuse me of this notion. The same goes for the menus and the HUD; in the original they looked more interesting, more futuristic, with the hard angles and the blue colour, compared to the frankly boring (in my own opinion, I must stress) design that Battlefront 2 went with.
I do wonder if I'm the only one who feels this way. In most respects I can see where Battlefront 2 offers a great improvement but there's a part of me that gravitates more towards the original.
I agree, the maps from the first game and the artistic differences definitely sucked even if the game was overall an improvement on its predecessor. Imagine if Galactic conquest was expanded with some of the old maps, even just with two more planets like Rhen Var and Bespin, it would make the mode a little more replayable.
The pc version upgrades everything not to mention custom maps and mods
@@dieselface1 they did have to rush a little
I just love the II but I feel you, I think the same. Thats something pretty funny about games for me, honestly, I really feel that "a huge amount of retro games actually looks better than their sequels or most new titles". I love Battlefront II, but the mechanics and WIDER stuff of the original is also pretty sweet. Crawling on the ground and fighters on ground maps were so awesome (and Battlefront II of PC have maps with space-ground battles including fighters and ground soldiers, so it demonstrates it is posible to have both mixed and be EPIC)
@@quarreneverett4767 PC Version has mods that even includes clone wars (tv series) maps, like the temple were Ventress hide Jabbas son, the fallen ship were Grivous first appeared and defeated 5 jedi, Umbara, Christophsis, etc. Its just so big and improved
Just had your review of the first battlefront in my recommended earlier, I subbed and found this waiting for me a few hours later :D
same
I think he's being recommend a lot now. I only got the first battlefront review recommended to me yesterday
Same, but I’m happy they did! He has a very calm voice not one of those crazy hype people you TH-cam
NOW HEAR THIS! I’ve been looking forward to this. This is where the fun begins.
I actually just discovered that hole on Geonosis a few days ago. I rarely play that map and I’m still kinda new to the game because I only ever played with my cousin when we were little. So not knowing what it was, I thought maybe they had some idea for catacombs like in TCW. So I jumped down it and busted out laughing when I died.
Also, the way Vader came out, murdered his son in two strikes, and walked back into the cantina killed me.
One thing I learned about the hero battles is that the good side ALWAYS won if left to their own devices. I played that mode so many times that I just started to fuck around without killing anyone (like trying to climb that giant junk pile in the middle of the map) and the good guys won every time I did.
Honestly I do wish there were 2 battlefields on each planet. I do miss that from the first game. They could have expanded Galatic Conquest. Still a better game then Battlefront II EA
Also, You Obi-wan Kenobi alone, He is majestic af!
All the DLC for this game can be Accessed if you play it on Xbox One and Xbox Series X/S
Kit fistos force ball was godly
@@damiannichols1250 yeah. Also Bro, Ventress was so Wicked
Actually...Anakin does like to do figure-8s and other shapes for anything other than singular thrust or slash.
It makes sense in the context of fighting another jedi/sith or large groups of people, though.
My favorite line from the rebel AI soldiers is “I’m takin’ you DOWN, plastic boy!” 🤣
Sad thing is, I love playing as General grievous in this game
you mean Major Malevolence?
Not surprised. He utterly melts anyone within reach lol
"I wish more maps had ways to interact with the environment like this (Mustafar) and the Death Star"
There are some cut voicelines from Temeura Morrison for use in the tutorial that imply this was the plan originally. He describes the engineer class as having an ability to slice into more things like doors, too, if I remember correctly.
16:08 Lol so Palpatine has been dabbing since 2005 nice.
I am swag after all
@@SwagSwagSenate O hey Mr.Senate 😎
Palpatine was better in this game than the other games.
@@INTJ10551 Certainly.
Kids these days don't know what it was like with these masterpieces.
I'm 26 & everyone around my age grew up with these classics when we were kids.
The above head view of this game was the best. You could see most of the area around you and you had a fast movement speed without running which helped everything feel quick and snappy.
Man, I loved this game. I spent hours in an interceptor in the space missions, springing out from under the hull of the enemy capital ship to fire a full salvo of rockets up the back-end of other players, and then U-turning back under to wait for my next target.
Fun fact, the Imperial commander/announcer is credited as "Smarmy British Palpatine Supporter."
The interesting thing about BFII is that it was one of the few bits of Star Wars media (and certainly the highest-profile one) that actually addressed the human cost of the Death Star's destruction. The Yavin missions late in the campaign are basically the Empire going on a vengeful rampage against the Rebels, and the way the game sets it up makes you feel downright heroic as you shred X-Wings with a TIE Interceptor and gradually claw your way up the map to storm the rooms where Leia, Threepio, and Dodonna clustered around holograms during the climax of Episode IV.
Even Smarmy British Palpatine Supporter gets in on the melancholy for a bit, solemnly praising the Clones' performance and adding "The spirits of our fallen brothers will sleep soundly tonight."
25:19 - On the PS2 you could hold circle and move the left joystick down and your ship would manoeuvre up and turn around faster.
Hearing those lines take me back to my childhood😭 this game will always be a game in our hearts no matter how many loot boxes come our way. I honestly love both 2004 & 2005 battlefronts equal in their own mechanic gameplay 🎮 Pandemic was a true game studio that didn’t care about extra profits but instead gameplay and story telling. Compare battlefronts and mercenaries and you’ll see they have almost the same mechanic gameplay true classic never goes out of style !
Bro when you showed yourself going into the enemy base my brain went into full nostalgia mode. The memories i have of this game are endless
Oh, about the Kashyyyk beachhead walls, they are much more fought around in splitscreen, or at least that was the case for me, have so many memories of a player holding out there by the broken walls fighting the other player with an elite rifle while also having a secondary command post on the opposite edge of the map.
The heroes Vs heroes assault mode was so much fun. The amount of hours me and my friends poured into it is crazy, so many memories
Now we got the Star Wars Battlefront Classic Collection to revisit these masterpieces!😊👍🏻
Still play this regularly. It's a family competition game
Can’t wait to revisit this gem with my best friend on PS5. We used to play this CONSTANTLY after school. It’s been 15 years since we last touched the game. So much has changed, yet we felt like kids on Christmas when we received the announcement of the “remaster” (idk if they actually changed anything about the game). So excited!
Great vid btw. Made me remember why I loved the game so much.
i am surprised that there are still reviews coming out for this amazing game. it really shows how much of a timeless classic this game is
25:20 I DWELLED ON IT, and you don't even have to turn all the way around to chase a ship. You simply push up on the analogue stick twice in quick succession before using evade button 👍
Right
Nice work man!
I remember getting this for Christmas and went right up to my room after breakfast and played this game until school started again haha!
Just saw this come up in my suggested videos - and since I helped out on both Battlefront 1 and 2, it's always interesting to see/hear what folks think about them, even all these years later!
Have been binge watching your vids for the past day. You’re quickly becoming one of my faves, keep it up mate!
I'm loving all these star wars review recommendations
I've seen at least like 4 videos like this but each one is unique
wait a sec this video was an hour long??? Dude, it felt like 10 minutes, great video!
this channel is gonna blow up
keep it up, dork!
You should have mentioned in assault mode on mos eisley, the villains almost always win. Probably because of Darth maul, but I've spent an insane amount of time on that mode playing as both and no matter what it's always geared towards the villains
Favorite lines I heard back-to-back on the Death Star: “For the Chancellor!” “It’s Palpatine!”
That's legitimately hilarious lmao. I haven't replied to a comment on this video in like a year, but this was too good.
Perfection. Only critic was being very restrictive on air to ground combat (can only do that on Hoth with speeders, BF1 was perfect letting you use X-wings on Naboo, bespin and others!
This, the maps and the more lore accurate effects for weapons and vehicles are why i think I will always prefer the original 2004 game over Battlefront 2.
@@UnknownZealot77 RIGHT! I forgot the amazing sound design of the first game.
To this day I remember the explosive ELECTRIC grenades from the Clone Wars era!
Saw your Battlefront (2004) Review and it was a nostalgia trip. These are great! Keep up the good work!
Ea’s battlefront 2 is completely different from release now. It is so much fun and reminds me a lot of this game. Hats off to dice for sticking with it
Is it worth getting? I grew up on this one. I remember I copped the first battlefront remake & it was so disappointing/embarrassing so I was hesitant about copping the second
@@lifeonmars03 Yes, I'd say it's worth getting. You can buy it for a very low price, and it's a ton of fun especially if you've got a buddy or two to play it with. Played it a ton with one of my best friends this past summer and it was an absolute blast.
"The Death Star mission goes into how the Rebels stole the Death Star plans, which again I don't know if it's canon or not"
there's an entire movie about it lol
This game was the canon version before that movie. The stories are to vastly different
@@OtaniNoAsagi Kyle: Ahem.... Didn't *I* steal the plans?
@@OtaniNoAsagiI think Lucas himself once said before the Disney buyout the only things in the series that counted as canon was the 6(at the time) movies and the clone wars cgi tv series.
Battlefront 2 is a classic, I think it will still be talked about long after the EA titles are forgotten.
Excellent video mate. Keep up the good work, this obviously took some real effort to make, with lots of little touches. Cant wait to see more.
I fuckin love this game. Great to see a review showing all of its pros and cons. Well done!
This channel needs to blow up
15:55
Oh no
*he doesn't know about the sprinting attacks...*
This is definitely a game you want to play on PC. The graphic mods, map packs (one ports the entire BF1 lineup to BF2) and new units/heros were all so much fun.
For grevious, his standard attacks and abilities are passable but his dash attack is unrivaled in the game. It can clear out rooms faster than any other lightsaber hero and you'll be running fast enough that dodging fire won't be too hard, especially once you start cutting into whatever is in front of you
It's funny how often I'm hearing about either grevious specifically or dash attacks in general. I feel like I missed out on not talking about them, but what can you do. I do think grevious's dash attack is pretty good, he just makes me sad since he kind of gets left out from the cool secondary stuff. Didn't he have a unique gun fighting obi-wan? Maybe he could have coughed on enemies or something lmao
General Grievous is actually much stronger than indicated in the video simply because he has a very strong and consistent sprint attack, something that I think is often overlooked.
I was hoping to see mention of getting into the turrets on the ships in space battles.
Felt pointless
Sometimes a feature is pointless but can just be quirky and a small addition
@@CunnilingusVolcano like my life in this endless void of a meaning
Agreed friend
@@parjai97 I dunno, I've won entire Galactic Conquest skirmishes on Elite using the turrets alone, it at least helps spice up the gameplay if you're sick of doing bombing runs.
That's the thing I love about Battlefront II is, in Instant Action and Galactic Conquest, you can choose the way you participate in the battle from sniping, pushing with vehicles and especially space battles where you can dogfight against the enemy, defend your ship with interceptors and turrets, bomb the enemy ships or land a drop ship and take them out within.
Thank you for reviewing both titles, these games were given to me along with a PS2 for christmas one 2008 year when I was 8 years old. Never stopped playing them, an now that I am older I play it to this day on PC with mods and modded maps. :)
Actually, the Stormtrooper helmet has a targeting system similar to the one in-game so...no cheating at all!
NOW HEAR THIS! Man that line is so iconic.
on the xbox one/ xbox one x (series x ect) version of the game, the original xbox DLC has been added to the game whenever you download it now. It was added back last year i believe?
Literally the best War game i EVER played in 20 years of gaming
You should review all the mods for this game. Especially star wars battlefront 3 leagcy it recreates the canceled star wars battlefront 3 within battlefront 2 complete with space to ground combat and high res hd models
that would probably take several years and most would be half baked garbage
@@echodelta2172 There is a ton of mods that are higher quality than the base game. Take your mod-less console peasant complaints elsewhere
Your description of Anakin swinging his lightsaber in a triangle around the enemy reminds me of the jedi knight games.
23:14 - Fun fact is some AI robots from the CIS will get stuck by that window he's looking at and just remain outside the whole game.
Excellent review! 👏💛 Was so excited as soon as I saw this come up yesterday in my sub feed 😁😎 What a game! 🔥😍
6:45 I think when you set the AI to elite, the troops on your team go from elite to normal so you have to carry the team way more
I enjoy how you take a few seconds to display examples of what you're talking about. I really like how you demonstrate your points.
What I love so much about this game is the clones are accurate to the era. The clone armor right before and during the fall of the republic was this style, not the weird can head helmets. Nice touch of detail
I was just watching a video about BFII clone voices and I see this, its the will of force giving me these great videos
Battlefront 2 wasn’t just a great Star Wars game,first and foremost it was a great game. All the best star wars games tend to hold up without the star wars branding.
Still play this for at least a few hours every couple of months. Its kinda like being able to go home again whenever I want.
9:53 Funny enough, in the Spanish translated game (for the original Xbox at least), that Gun is called "The disintegrator", and I always remembered for that, the name and the interesting effect it causes in the enemy units, like "disintegrating them"
One of the most underrated youtubers I have seen. Please keep doing your thing I’m loving it
25:20 - I'm sure there is a way to pull a 180 and turn right around. I believe it involved pulled back on the analogue stick while pressing the roll button.
I thought I was missing something. I remembered an animation where you did a backflip 180 thing, but I couldn't get it to trigger when I was trying for it. Maybe I'm just an idiot, who knows.
I was just thinking this. I usually double tapped the dodge button before moving in the direction I wanted to roll.
Yes it does have it. At least in PC. As far as I remember it was press two times back fast.
Yeah for any ship except the transport you can do evasive maneuvers by hitting a specific button once to stay going in the same direction (decent for missiles) and twice for 180 (okay for evading interceptors & turrets) and flicking the strafe in the direction you want to dodge towards
It's in the instruction booklet that my brothers and I would read for fun when not playing
So that part where you said “you’ll find yourself hiding out in the enemy hanger to farm gunslinger awards” and “you might camp out on Hoth doing nothing else but fire at AT-AT weak spots”
That was me. I did literally both of those things for hours 😂
I remember there was a Lord of the Rings games just like battlefront. Are you gonna review that too?
Lord of the rings conquest?
You've gotta share the name of it dude
The film tie-in games maybe?
@@sniperfi4532 That's the one
Ew, that glitchy broken rushed mess
The lay down feature made a HUGE diffrent and impact on the battlefront, alone that modern shooters reimplement that feature again should tell you that.