I will try some tips When I use my Coleman I even try inverting the canister! I then get big flames as the liquid gas must come out ! I will try heating the canister first Nice vids Keep em coming
The liquid fuel canisters of yesteryear (70's and 80's? not sure.) did not light well, or at all, in colder temps. That is where the myth came from. There was a time when they often would leave you eating raw ramen or worse...cold soggy oatmeal. Nice video...thanks!
Very good. Another trick would be to filter and purify water other ways rather than boiling water to achieve that. This way you can just heat water for meals, coffee, and tea without having to bring it to a boil. Good stuff and great video Sir!
Hey Samuel, Oh I missed your comment earlier, sorry. Thanks for your reply. When I do really wild camping that is in Norway, Sweden or Finland. The water there is so clean I just drink it straight from the streams without purification, like everybody. It tastes really good too. Happy camping, Papa hiker
My inverted canister stove works on a low setting just fine and is fairly light. I think that cannisters only work when they are cold until the propane runs out. They seem to lose their power well before they are empty. Not an expert though. Just use the inverted canister and never fight with warming cold fuel. Also I know my liquid fuel mix contains butane and the gas pressure from the propane is only pushing fuel to the stove. Awesome video as usual! I have spent a lot of nights in the mountains under variations of your tarp pitches.
Hey wcndguy, If your remote canister stove is not too heavy to carry, just go for it! I like mine too, take it with the family. Happy camping, Papa hiker
Hey Margareth, the handwarmers in combination with the cosy will probably work really well! And you could use that as a backup, in case the stove won't work properly otherwise. The smaller size handwarmers fit under the canister and you could do the cosy over top. Just mind that it is stable i guess. Have fun! Papa hiker
Thanks for your tips. I just bought a dragonfly stove for winter camping. I have an msr windburner and face the same issues many others face in cold weather. What I was really looking for is a way to make a HX/Moulder strip for the windburner but it seems difficult as you can't slip the copper inside the burner without the pot locked on.
Hi Zakafx. I can't answer your question. I did google HX/Moulder strip and found that Bob Moulder is actually on TH-cam. It may be a good idea to message him! Best, papa hiker
Hi there, I am wondering if you performed tests on the most fuel efficient stove power level for cooking in winter conditions. Within room temperature environment I found out that I can cut down my fuel consumption by half, if I cook on a very small flame instead of maximum power. But I never tested it at -10°C.
Hey Jerome, I was already so blown away with how little fuel I needed (half of the guidelines you find) that I never really wondered about that. I put the BRS stove at about 80% I guess? In theory a very low setting would work less well in winter than in summer. The pot will in winter be losing heat to it's environment faster than in summer. That would make the total cooking time more important, so more efficient heating at a higher setting. But, I have not experimented! Thanks for your comment, Papa hiker
Hi! Maybe other people feel differently, but I don’t think it would help: the top half of the canister cools down to below the temperature of the surroundings. So, insulating that would only make the canister even colder. I guess. Not sure though. Worth a try perhaps? Kind regards Papa hiker
hey me again, hey now in regards to stoves, you know my planning situation im in okay so now im thinking of using a remote fuel system ( like a firemaple fms-117h to count those grams! Oh and bulk ) With remote systems and preheat tubes is more important to keep warm the canister or the tube itself, im starting in this country which is one of 13 slavic countries ( I cant say which one!) in temps of about -20C min, max temp -10 , how would you say your performance with gas stoves has been. Also how ineffective are solid fuel stoves in winter. I know they work in any condition but to the degree of effectiveness especially melting snow for water and coffee etcetera.... may take like 3 years or so with that system. The country i will be in and most importantly wbich side of the country i will pass through has a very low resupply option for gas canisters, so I have been advised by trekkers in this country to use multi fuel to that factor. I like the idea of either multi fuel or remote gas canister, more the remote gas system for weight and bulk and the multi fuel for the wide plethora of fuel types to be used, unfortunately ( $$$$$$ aside ) they are bulky and hefty as. I might get both ( inexpensive ones to fiddle with for now) and see if i can DIY Ultra-Bulk chop them so i can laugh at how lighter it is. ( Last part was a bit of a brutal truth on myself but also true to all gram counters on a sub concious level) Im just trying to cut bulk more so then weight as i will be carrying ALOT for 4 - 5 seasons anyways AT ALL TIMES regardless due to the nature of the trip,vioyage,trekking expedition, journey, madness and laughter, so yeah. Anyways thanks for sharing some insight. Ras Da Bushman .
Hey Ras, Okay, so for weight and performance I am for remote canister stove. The multifuel stove is always heavier and it takes maintenance. Solid fuel (esbit or hexamine) is no option in winter. However, since you will be having problems finding fuel canisters that petty much rules out gas, because in winter fire is not just a nice extra, but needed for survival. So, either you trust you will be able to use wood (in a wood stove) and use the gas canisters for backup, or you need a multifuel stove. My experience with a gas stove in those temps is good: two canisters will work for longer than a week. You have to warm them up against your body before using them. The new -23 gas is not necessary if you have a remote canister stove. Also my simple tip is to take liquid water as othen as you can get it, to save on melting snow. Good luck man! Let me know how it goes. Kind regards, papa hiker
What does 'temps were pretty mild' mean? use numbers, and don't say it's a myth if you didn't test it in a range of temperatures. This video is a worthless waste of time.
So you tried a stove that supports upside down canisters and it did not work? Heating up the gas canister before use works just fine for short boils. I usually warm up the gas even near 0C with thermos water as it will increase the power quite a bit. Just make sure its not too hot and dry the canister afterwards if you dont like ice on it. You can even use alcohol stoves if you keep the fuel and burner warm. Two bottles, one main and one small that you keep warm off your body heat. But that is better for just cooking when you have access to water as the lack of power makes it horrible for melting snow. Trickiest part is to avoid soaking your fingers in that nice -30C fuel when you fill the smaller bottle.
Thanks for the tips. I like your windscreen attachment method!
Hey Shaun! Yes, sometimes home made beats store bought. Cost: 0. Weight: 0 and I have actually used the same screen for four trips!
I will try some tips
When I use my Coleman I even try inverting the canister! I then get big flames as the liquid gas must come out !
I will try heating the canister first
Nice vids
Keep em coming
The liquid fuel canisters of yesteryear (70's and 80's? not sure.) did not light well, or at all, in colder temps. That is where the myth came from. There was a time when they often would leave you eating raw ramen or worse...cold soggy oatmeal. Nice video...thanks!
Ugh raw ramen! But yes, that is the message of this video: technology has moved on, thankfully!
Best line: “Do take care that you do t let them explode”
Yes... that is a bit of a minimum requirement.
Thanks for showing us your tips, this is helpful. Take care.
Honestly one of the best backpacking channels
Hey Jessi, thanks for your great comment, hope you stick around and have a nice one, Papa hiker
Great tip on this topic Papa Hiker!
Thank you Mattias
Very good. Another trick would be to filter and purify water other ways rather than boiling water to achieve that. This way you can just heat water for meals, coffee, and tea without having to bring it to a boil. Good stuff and great video Sir!
Hey Samuel, Oh I missed your comment earlier, sorry. Thanks for your reply. When I do really wild camping that is in Norway, Sweden or Finland. The water there is so clean I just drink it straight from the streams without purification, like everybody. It tastes really good too.
Happy camping, Papa hiker
6:43 Spot on tips! Thanks for the video, very useful!
Great video!!!
My inverted canister stove works on a low setting just fine and is fairly light. I think that cannisters only work when they are cold until the propane runs out. They seem to lose their power well before they are empty. Not an expert though. Just use the inverted canister and never fight with warming cold fuel. Also I know my liquid fuel mix contains butane and the gas pressure from the propane is only pushing fuel to the stove.
Awesome video as usual! I have spent a lot of nights in the mountains under variations of your tarp pitches.
Hey wcndguy,
If your remote canister stove is not too heavy to carry, just go for it! I like mine too, take it with the family. Happy camping, Papa hiker
@wcndguy What brand are you using?
@@willek1335 a cheap GSI one been going strong for yeara
Brilliant . Useful tips . Love it .
Thanks Guz!
I think I will make a cozy for my canister. I also take along chemical handwarmers, that may help keep it warm. I will try it this winter.
Hey Margareth, the handwarmers in combination with the cosy will probably work really well! And you could use that as a backup, in case the stove won't work properly otherwise. The smaller size handwarmers fit under the canister and you could do the cosy over top. Just mind that it is stable i guess.
Have fun! Papa hiker
why is that alcohol not an option?
Thanks for your tips. I just bought a dragonfly stove for winter camping. I have an msr windburner and face the same issues many others face in cold weather. What I was really looking for is a way to make a HX/Moulder strip for the windburner but it seems difficult as you can't slip the copper inside the burner without the pot locked on.
Hi Zakafx. I can't answer your question. I did google HX/Moulder strip and found that Bob Moulder is actually on TH-cam. It may be a good idea to message him! Best, papa hiker
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Absolutely wonderful..... Thanks
Ah hello Rao Mudasir, thanks. See tou, Papa hiker
Hi there, I am wondering if you performed tests on the most fuel efficient stove power level for cooking in winter conditions. Within room temperature environment I found out that I can cut down my fuel consumption by half, if I cook on a very small flame instead of maximum power. But I never tested it at -10°C.
Hey Jerome,
I was already so blown away with how little fuel I needed (half of the guidelines you find) that I never really wondered about that. I put the BRS stove at about 80% I guess? In theory a very low setting would work less well in winter than in summer. The pot will in winter be losing heat to it's environment faster than in summer. That would make the total cooking time more important, so more efficient heating at a higher setting. But, I have not experimented!
Thanks for your comment, Papa hiker
great to see another vid from you
Thank you Ed
Thanks very much!
Welcome!
Great video 😊
Thanks Hans!
What about putting the canister in a cozy while in use? Would that help or be too dangerous?
Hi! Maybe other people feel differently, but I don’t think it would help: the top half of the canister cools down to below the temperature of the surroundings. So, insulating that would only make the canister even colder. I guess. Not sure though. Worth a try perhaps?
Kind regards Papa hiker
Goeie uitleg. Thx
Ha dankjewel Dutch prepping. Volgende keer durf ik gewoon weer een rechtopstaande gasbrander mee te nemen.
Groeten, ph
I can't seem to find the coleman fuel?
Hello J Fielden!
Maybe they sell the primus wintergas where you live? It should work as well.
Kind regards Papa hiker
hey me again, hey now in regards to stoves, you know my planning situation im in okay so now im thinking of using a remote fuel system ( like a firemaple fms-117h to count those grams! Oh and bulk ) With remote systems and preheat tubes is more important to keep warm the canister or the tube itself, im starting in this country which is one of 13 slavic countries ( I cant say which one!) in temps of about -20C min, max temp -10 , how would you say your performance with gas stoves has been. Also how ineffective are solid fuel stoves in winter. I know they work in any condition but to the degree of effectiveness especially melting snow for water and coffee etcetera.... may take like 3 years or so with that system. The country i will be in and most importantly wbich side of the country i will pass through has a very low resupply option for gas canisters, so I have been advised by trekkers in this country to use multi fuel to that factor. I like the idea of either multi fuel or remote gas canister, more the remote gas system for weight and bulk and the multi fuel for the wide plethora of fuel types to be used, unfortunately ( $$$$$$ aside ) they are bulky and hefty as. I might get both ( inexpensive ones to fiddle with for now) and see if i can DIY Ultra-Bulk chop them so i can laugh at how lighter it is. ( Last part was a bit of a brutal truth on myself but also true to all gram counters on a sub concious level) Im just trying to cut bulk more so then weight as i will be carrying ALOT for 4 - 5 seasons anyways AT ALL TIMES regardless due to the nature of the trip,vioyage,trekking expedition, journey, madness and laughter, so yeah.
Anyways thanks for sharing some insight.
Ras Da Bushman .
Hey Ras,
Okay, so for weight and performance I am for remote canister stove. The multifuel stove is always heavier and it takes maintenance. Solid fuel (esbit or hexamine) is no option in winter. However, since you will be having problems finding fuel canisters that petty much rules out gas, because in winter fire is not just a nice extra, but needed for survival.
So, either you trust you will be able to use wood (in a wood stove) and use the gas canisters for backup, or you need a multifuel stove.
My experience with a gas stove in those temps is good: two canisters will work for longer than a week. You have to warm them up against your body before using them. The new -23 gas is not necessary if you have a remote canister stove. Also my simple tip is to take liquid water as othen as you can get it, to save on melting snow.
Good luck man! Let me know how it goes.
Kind regards, papa hiker
@@papahiker9014 cheers mate. Tanks so much.
What does 'temps were pretty mild' mean? use numbers, and don't say it's a myth if you didn't test it in a range of temperatures. This video is a worthless waste of time.
So you tried a stove that supports upside down canisters and it did not work? Heating up the gas canister before use works just fine for short boils. I usually warm up the gas even near 0C with thermos water as it will increase the power quite a bit. Just make sure its not too hot and dry the canister afterwards if you dont like ice on it.
You can even use alcohol stoves if you keep the fuel and burner warm. Two bottles, one main and one small that you keep warm off your body heat. But that is better for just cooking when you have access to water as the lack of power makes it horrible for melting snow. Trickiest part is to avoid soaking your fingers in that nice -30C fuel when you fill the smaller bottle.