Christianity doesn’t make sense to you because JW is a cult. Not an official, nor accepted branch of Christianity. Jesus Christ IS God and IS real and WILL fulfill His Word which is found in the Bible. God bless you man! Hope you come to the truth which is found in the Lord Jesus Christ!
Pffftttt. It's,just a book written by men. Over 2,000 yrs and still no sighted of him.... and in another 2,000 you will still say he is coming very very soon!, 😆
So jesus is god who sent himself as his son to be killed on behalf of his father (himself) to save the sins of humans which he knew would not work because he knows the future and therefore knew the outcome in advance. My question is ...was that child abuse or self abuse
🤭 Alright man. But when He comes back or you go from this world before His coming… I hope you can tell Him to His face that same comment! Repent my friend, and turn from your sins. ❤️🩹
Hey William, good question. Let’s answer it. First of all, it did work. Christianity has had billions and billions of followers and I, and a handful of other Christians, can attest to you that His sacrifice was very much real and very much works. You see, sin is still in the world because repentance is your choice. You can either choose to be in your sins or turn away from them. He doesn’t force us to be cleansed from them because His sacrifice was out of love. And if you love someone- you’re not even going to force yourself onto them in any proximity. You see, the other reason why it works is because God, who is all-knowing, omnipotent, omnipresent, etc. knew and understood that the sacrifice Christ had to withstand on the Cross was the perfect, and sufficient sacrifice. We need to understand that God knows better than we do and Biblically, the passion makes sense. … This wasn’t a matter of “child” or “self” abuse. Christ is God and the second person of the Holy Trinity- meaning He had the option to say no. He didn’t have to die for our sins, but He wanted to do that we could be redeemed, transformed and reconciled to our Creator, which is ultimately God. Repent of your sins my friend, but I hope this cleared up your questions.
Another reason why Christ had to die for our sins was because that was our punishment. Sin is a violation of God’s character, it’s the barrier that keeps you and I and everyone else away from Him. But you and I could never atone for our sins because we will never be naturally righteous or holy. God needed justice for what has been done against Him and to other people. (For ex: if, God forbid, someone you loved was murdered- wouldn’t you want that murderer to go to jail?) same idea. Sin is destructive and needed to be atoned for because of how tainting and damaging it is.
And God wanted the blood of lambs because it is a theme in the bible that Jesús is the lamb and his blood was spilled to save his people its really poetic if you think about it.
I love you man and Im glad you made your way out of the JW organizations. Im not here to tell you Im right or morally superior to anyone however Jesus is and if you have only heard the "JW Gospel" or the "Mormon Gospel" than you havent heard the real gospel. As you mention in your video, it seems quite hypocritical to say that only your religion has the right Jesus, but really, I'm trying to tell you that we have the best historical account of who he is. We have 5700 koine greek manuscripts even some of the earliest mentioning in John 1:18 calling Jesus the "monogenes Theos" (the one of a kind God). You've probably heard a lot of what i've already commented and whats left in this message but the real question is who really is Jesus Christ? Obviously a false christ doesnt have the power to save. Not only that, but if you ask every major world religion, they adopted Jesus into their religion. If you ask the Hindu, they would say that Jesus is one of their 33 million gods. If you asked the Buddhist, they would say that Christ had a Christ consciousness. If you asked a Muslim, they would say that he's Esah a great prophet who didnt die on the cross. If you asked Jehovah's witness, they would say he's Michael the arch angel, the first and greatest creation of jehovah God. If you asked the mormon, who Jesus is, they would say he's the brother of Lucifer and they dont profess the trinity, they technically profess tritheism which is really just a small part of their polythiestic religion. They themselves believed that god was once a man and that he became god and they become a god to. When we go to the earliest eye witness accounts of who Jesus was and who was around Jesus as he was walking on earth, they record him saying follow me. You obviously probably heard John 14:6.
1. When a Christian starts with how much they love a potential recruit, just before they launch in their recruitment pitch, that's just love-bombing. You can't love someone on a personal level if you don't even know them personally. Nor can you love someone in the general sense of brotherly/sisterly love for all humans, when your worship a deity who plans to kill (or eternally torment) any-or-most of those humans forever unless they join your "totally not a religion".
2. "Im not here to tell you Im right or morally superior to anyone" --- That is also false. Because the only way you can make that true is if you completely abandon the premise that: becoming a Christian has anything to do with embracing morality (or "righteousness"). If "accepting (your conceptualization of) Jesus as a person's lord and savior" vs someone NOT doing that has nothing to do with moral character (aka "their heart condition") then: your "God" would have no available justification for passing moral judgments on people based on whether or not they have "accepted" him as such.
3. "Jesus is (morally superior to Justin Porter)". --- Based on what criteria? You can't even demonstrate with facts, logic, or ethics that Magic-Jesus even exists. The only "Jesus" qualified scholars will say "probably existed" was a fallible muggle-Jesus. The stories themselves paint Jesus as a mix of wise-zen-master and schizophrenic religious bigot who "came only for the Jews". He was NOT trying to start Christianity. Instead, he was merely trying to get the Jews to reason and behave better, in preparation for the literal end of the world in their lifetime, when only proper Jews (no gentiles) would be spared when God establishes the promised Jewish kingdom on Earth. Prophecy failed. Paul scavenged that failed apocalyptic cult from the dumpster of failed cults, and then gave it a whole new theological framework. But I'm still not impressed with the character of "Jesus" in those stories, because he was a randomly irrational and violent ethnic-supremacist. He was also a habitually homeless, jobless, self-medicating, amateur magician, and cult-leader. In the end of those stories, he argues with the voice of "God" to please NOT make him un-alive himself. The voice of "God" (in his head) successfully pressures him into going through it. But then Jesus blames everyone but himself for his own choices. I'm sorry. But he lost his battle with mental illness. And my heart breaks (2 thousand years later) for what his madness drove him to do TO HIMSELF. But sane people have no good excuse for pushing that still-evolving but still-awful cult into each next century.
4. "if you have only heard the "JW Gospel" or the "Mormon Gospel" than you havent heard the real gospel." -- Which is more likely? That an all-knowing, all-wise, all-powerful Super-Being is really THAT BAD at communicating, and THAT BAD at reaching everyone with a barely-adequate (at best) articulation of his "message" or That no such being is trying to use you to do any such thing? --- This is the same point made in a famous quote from a Star Trek movie: "What does GOD need with a starship?" Why does an omni-everything BEING need: fallible human story-tellers, a gossip chain (decades long; and sometimes centuries-long) to carry those stories forward, later writers, later editors, later random "not the truth church(es) to cherry pick which letters will become part of a new bible, more later writers, more later editors, competing translators, making competing (and corrupted) versions of "the truth", more competing churches deciding what any of it means, later apologists overruling those churches, etc..? If a GOD relies on fallible people, then a GOD is relying on a method of communication that is messy, corrupt, and broken. That means he's letting countless "prospective members" fall through the cracks on his "Grand Plan", because of how many people will die before hearing any version, and how many more will die before hearing "the real version", and how many more will die being unable to psychologically process "the real version" correctly because of how they were raised, and because of mental illness, and because of low IQ, and because of unhealed traumas, etc.. Now, you can theorize that he'll just "judge those people based on their heart (aka "moral character"). But if that's the case, then why send Christian messengers and indoctrinators around to anyone at all in the first place?
5. "it seems quite hypocritical to say that only your religion has the right Jesus, but really, I'm trying to tell you that we have the best historical account of who he is. We have 5700 koine greek manuscripts even some of the earliest mentioning in John 1:18 calling Jesus the "monogenes Theos" (the one of a kind God)." --- Ok., first, no church or sect has dibs on those, to be able to say "we alone have them". Next, most of those "manuscripts" are tiny torn pieces; from scrolls that were never found. Next, most of the larger manuscripts are from MANY centuries later. So scholars don't even bother including those in their efforts to reconstruct the earliest versions of the stories they represent. Next. as for John 1:18, see "Does the Bible Identify Jesus as “God the Son”?" by Dan McClellan. He explains the reasons why the lost originals probably didn't say "theos" there.
Thanks Yvonne, I love truth ,I believe religion is a double edged sword it comforts people and gives them a hope but it also divides people into a us and them mentality, Religion has caused more harm than good .You never hear of Atheists and Agnostics going to war with each other ,because life is precious and rare and the days of our life are precious and few and this life may be the only one we get ?????? I,ve been shunned for 6 years by jws ,how many years have you been shunned for Yvonne?
From creation to the flood is an analogous story framed on the template of each humans life. Noah starts the first what is called a monomyth. The Bible is structured like any material from antiquity. It is simply in a genre meant o guide sheep. Jason sailing through the Clashing Rocks is the same template step where Moses crosses the Red Sea. Supernatural is for the masses who can't manage life or death. Watch this one. Jesus and Arthur. Jesus was 'called' as the only son of God, had 'supernatural powers,' traveled with 'hand picked disciples' and instructs to seek the 'Kingdom of Heaven within.' King Arthur was 'called' as the only one who could get Excalibur, had Merlin for 'supernatural powers,' traveled with 'hand picked knights' and seeks the 'Holy Grail.' These steps are for a reason. They are not sharing the story. They are creating new stories with different analogouis terms on the exact same template. That template is what we're after. The religion is for the many called. The template is for the few chosen. Atheism isn't finding the template either. It's just denying the ridiculous supernatural claims. But something is in there for those who know how to find it.
@@justinporter458 I think we’re just flocked together a bit in the collective psyche. That’s how we evolved to sense fear and joy as a group of fragile creatures. It’s all energy based and we have a mysterious brain interface.
As far as the gospels are concerned, the catholic-orthodox faction has hidden or tossed the template centuries ago, as far back as around 115 CE when Ignatius wrote that Jesus really was born of a virgin, he really was crucified, he really suffered and died under Pilate and the whole nine yards. The forger of 2nd Peter said the same thing around 90 to 100 CE.
Literally libraries of scholarly work out there answer all these theological questions. Read a bit before rambling, or plug these questions into youtube. There's many accomplished theologians that can answer this better than a comment section.
In what universe does using TH-cam as an academic search engine result in pages of reliable and mutually consistent academic answers about any topic at all?
Science proves that actually nothing ever dies as molecules are constant and science is discovering more proof for the probability of a soul every day still leaving Christianity to be a ridiculous appropriated cognitive, confused theology
You are asking questions about the Hebrew tradition, and yet you think you have all the answers while you’re actually ignorant of everything Hebrew proof from your statement that are just ignorant
Ask any observant Jew, he'll tell you that god wanted the Israelites to slaughter a lamb for each household and smear its blood on the lintel and doorposts. Not because the lamb signifies Jesus, but killing a lamb was an abomination, a religious sacrilege, to the Egyptians for they worshipped a deity with a sheep's head.
The day somebody can prove that NDE's are worth looking into will be the day I do. So far they seem like a way to cope with nearly dying. Atheists see nothings. Theists see whichever afterlife their faith has. So if you don't have the idea that it should look this way you don't.
Near death experiences in other countries never report seeing Jesus. There was a big study in China for example where Jesus never appeared. Muslims, Hindu's etc. don't magically see jesus in "near death experiences"
Please do not mistake the Trinity for Modalism Trinity (3 Foundations) 1. Monotheism 2. 3 distinct Persons 3. Each person is Equal. The father and spirit didnt die on the cross... The Son Did!!!! The father is not the son The son is not the spirit The spirit is not the father All are truly God. The Son prays to the father and the Father prays to the son (Hebrews 1). The father, son and spirit created everything. (Genisis 1:1-3) (John 1:1-18) (Colossians 1:15-20).
I,ve watched Tovia Singer ,he believes Jesus is not the real Messiah. I don't believe in sin but I do believe in crime which must be punished, unfortunately some criminal's get away with horrible crimes . The only justice in life ,is the justice we make .As a Agnostic Atheist life can be very unfair and sometimes the bad people win .
Sorry but I had to turn off your video because it was for me not worth listening to. I have no idea what your point about Christianity not making sense is. What I do know is that Christ is the complete revelation of God to mankind. God was revealed through generations through the Jewish people based on various prophets and a historical witness. Then Christ came into the world as foretold and took things to a greater level, most importantly revealing and demonstrating that God, for whatever reason, loves us, and that we do live after we die, however how we live in the next life is based on how we lived this life. God gives us complete free will, we can love Him or hate Him, we can love light or love darkness. What does not make sense of that?
Anybody who doesn't care to hear the words will never learn. As an atheist who has lived with theists my whole life I can tell you it's nothing but hogwash. Anything worth taking from the Bible can be found without all the evil bits in other books. If you need the fear of Hell to do good or be good you're just a risk to civilized society. Jesus himself said he would retune before the last would know darth. So your man is about 20 centuries late. At some point you have to admit you been stood up.
no part of any of the god stories make sense. especially the one about the Christian god who loves you so much he will burn you eternally. And who raped a teenage girl to come to earth so that this god could sacrifice himself to himself to somehow provide some kind of benefit for the dead. seriously, only a child could believe such a story.
You talking about loving light. Where is the light in your religion? You cant even trust your own God. Every day you christians must repent and sanctify your self to please your all loving God. The "Depart from me, I never knew you!"- quote from Jesus is allways there back in your head. There is allways a little risk that you might get thrown in hell. I cant see the light here. Or the goodness.
Hi Justin, i just came across your video. You make interesting points. I was reading the comments too, thats one of the few reasons why i dont have a channel, cause some can be cruel. Some aren't happy till they make fun of someone that chooses to be a free thinking individual. If you're not part of the herd then you're weird. It amazes me after all these generations, some still behave that way. But yeah, the Bible never made sense to me either. I see it as, if a person believes and trusts in the bible, then he/she must condone all the atrocities committed therein. I take a Gnostic approach to it, that the biblical god is really the devil. Some may think thats silly, but makes sense to me. I believe in the one true God, one that Jesus claimed he came from. God of true acceptance n love. Where all life came. A God of non judgment/condemnation. That we're all family, Jesus's true message of oneness. Thats why old/new testaments were so different. He never wanted anyone to worship him, but to be treated as a brother. Acceptance and love for ALL. I also dont believe in hell, another invention of the church. Just thought I'd share all that to get your insight. Good luck with your channel.
Thanks Eric ,the nasty commenters are helping my channel. I think the Jesus character was beautiful and all about love .Mark Twain 1835 -1910 said .Religion started when the 1st con man met the 1st fool.
Even if you were explained to, with every question answered logically so even a teenager could understand, you would choose not to believe. I hope you find your path. Good luck.
Religion is the opium of the people ,Karl Marx 1818 -1883 ,As a sober Atheist I've ditched my comfort blanket but please keep yours if it helps you escape reality. ❤
Every question answered logically? That's telling right there. Abrahamic evolved traditions are based in supernatural claims. Ever learn about it? Leave terms like 'logic' alone. There is no logic in belief of a supernatural that humans had to tell you all about. What logical is realizing we've been locally programmed and try to get out. You're in the pen. The gate is open. You're the one who needs the luck. Or just sit and watch what it means to seek and knock.
Your lack of understanding is wonderfully ridiculous. Listening to your rambling is like listening to a 2 year old explain a movie that it fell asleep in. 😅😅😅
@konsama1315 just for you... he started off point with saying that jahova witnesses and Mormons and catholics were all grouped together in his opinion. But each of those groups do not consider themselves part of any of the others. Only in his mind does that statement make since. The Buddhists and the Muslims and the Hindus also rever Jesus... does that make everyone "Christian"? Even the Satanists consider Jesus the son of God... and they HATE him... does that make them Christian? From this man's argument it does. And that was his most coherent argument and the foundation that he built upon. 😅😅😅 why would anyone attempt to dignify incoherent rambling? The fact that you desire it, suggests that your ignorance surpasses this man's. Maybe you should put down the internet and read a book.
Hindu religion makes sense? karma who chooses what you come back as because It would need to be a personal being God who knows All your thoughts words deeds
Thing is You are a sinner if a child does something wrong less punishment again a child does something against police Jail does something against A judge life in jail do something against God Eternal condemnation
Any god who condemns us to an eternity of torture, for a finite wrong is unworthy of worship. So the god of the bible isn't worth following and never was.
@@spaceorbisvlogs First of you reject forgiveness and life therefore you are Condemned prideful thinking you don't have anything to stand on you see You are not morally good which only God can give you freely through faith in Jesus Christ finished Work on the cross His Death Burial Resurrection Blood ( tree of life) you choose the Tree of knowledge of good and evil for eternity this is your free Will
@@brendangoodbrand2597 First of you reject forgiveness and life therefore you are Condemned prideful thinking you don't have anything to stand on 1: Forgiveness for what? I'm just living my life. Just because I don't agree with you in no way makes me a bad person or prideful. - You are not morally good. 2: I don't care how you view me because I don't know you. Your views on how good or moral I am matter less then my views on the ants I step on every time I go outside. - Only God can give you freely through faith in Jesus Christ finished Work on the cross His Death. 3: I didn't ask for him to die for wrongs I didn't do. If he existed at he died because the Romans killed him, not because he was acting as payment for wrongs done long before any of us were born. I find the very idea that I must answer for wrongs done thousands of years ago to be sick and wrong. Your god couldn't just forgive us... no he needed to have sex with a woman with a husband so she would give birth to his son so his son could be used in a sick human blood payment. I'm good without that sort of sick payment.
@@brendangoodbrand2597 First of you reject forgiveness. 1: I reject nothing. I simply don't agree that I'm in need of forgiveness for wrongs I never committed by anybody much less the being that is doing the condemning. Why would I want forgiveness from the being who is condemning me for just living my life? - You don't have anything to stand on. 2: What am I in need of standing on here? Before we can talk about whether or not I'm in the wrong first show that I could even be in the wrong. - You are not morally good which only God can give you freely through faith in Jesus Christ finished Work on the cross His Death Burial Resurrection Blood. 3: An unsupported assertion on your part that I needn't reply to so I'll just move past that. If Jesus did exist his death has nothing to do with me nor any perceived wrongs on your end. As an atheist I'm not against the notion of a historical Jesus. I'm simply against the notion that he was magical.
@@spaceorbisvlogs for wrongs I never committed hahaha you think you are good now I know you are lieing to me with this statement HYPOCRISY end of conversation
You are starting to understand how to approach the Hebrew scriptures by asking questions. That was a good one. Yes, who placed the tree in the first place that’s the point. The Almighty tells Adam how did you know I wanted you to eat from the tree and he tells G-D I didn’t she told me that’s out of humility. There’s many lessons to be learned here, but you should start trying to understand it from the original instead of your confused Roman propaganda.
Do you honestly believe the story of the garden of Eden is literally true everything in genesis prior to Abraham did not literally happened this can be scientifically proven plus genesis 1 contradicts genesis 2
No I,m a sober Atheist, I look after my health since this is the only life we get and alchohol is poison ,so I don't have an imaginary friend who will forgive me ,
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I’d like to put it out there that I’m glad you are no longer held by the false doctrines of JW. But at the same time you can’t say JW are Christian and so are Catholics. Their fundamental teaching on who Jesus is are completely different. That’s a big issue because the whole faith hangs on who Jesus is if you change his identity from what he revealed to us then the faith as a whole from the ground up is understood differently.
Yes it does not make any sense, many yrs ago I became a ...born again Pagan, back to my ancient European earth 🌎 religion. I have never felt so alive since I returned back to mother earth!❤🎉
I reckon Mother Nature is God, she doesn't write books or know of our existence, but she,s awe inspiring and we can discover her with the telescope and microscope.
dude, find my comment and read it, you are free to reject Christianity, but why call it ridiculous? It is far from that, it is wonderful. It is justice for bad people coming from a loving God! What I mean is God loves you, allows you to write whatever you want, but He does have the last word. I assure you he has the final word.
oh I see you are a Jew, I hear you guys are not allowed to read some of your own scripture, Isaiah something or other... I love how your own scripture condemns you as being a stiff necked people.
@@rob12449 I’ve studied the theology and scriptures, meticulously and carefully. It’s outrageous. The doctrine of Christianity. There’s no other way to describe it besides ridiculous without being offensive.
@@Yosaif-Israel and maybe you are an idiot and I should feel sorry for you,? I've also read scripture throughout my lifetime, have interpreted the "Book of Daniel" visions, and in no way can I imagine what you are saying. Christianity has brought light for generations, not that all Christians have been truly faithful, nor not made mistakes and failure. Christianity has produced saints highly regarded by people of other faith, including St Mother Theresa of Calcutta. She was given a state funeral by the nation of India. You are blind not only to scripture but history.
@@rob12449 Dude. Christianity be like ... "In order for GOD to forgive us for something we didn't even do, we had to kill somebody else who didn't do it either".
Understand that whomever wrote the book had nefarious intent towards humanity, essentially the god of the bible is a narcissist, clue number one "love me or i will hurt you" , clue number two, heres the law laws you must follow or i will hurt you, but im allowed to do nasty shit because im a nasty sociopathic god that is just pure love 🙄
Maybe realize that’s how mankind has made him out to be. If you don’t understand the weight of sin, of course the Lord’s reactions may seem ridiculous.
@mayjailer682 maybe they just made up the whole con, humanity has been around some 300,000 years, that's 298,000 years of doing just fine without the christian god, the whole thing is a con to control and exploit
The Bible is the greatest Cult manual ever invented to control and manipulate the masses ,and is still pulling the wool over people's lives and fleecing them ,the remedy is,, ,,An apple a day keeps God away,,
I will not say that there have been some church leaders that have used the Bible as a way to gain power- but Christ and the disciples themselves never sought out political power and in fact we’re incredibly despised and oppressed. The Bible is seen as a “control” guide because it exposes and suppresses our sinful urges and natures. Of course our sinful flesh doesn’t want to be refused!
@@justinporter458 sometimes the flock pay for it with their lives. You ought to look into Jim Jones The People's Temple Jones town, and David Koresh The Branch Davidians Waco Texas.
No Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses and Muslims adopt Jesus but do not follow the Gospels as written. You need to talk to a mainstream Catholic or Protestant priest or minister to help you through these very common questions you are raising. Much of what you say has been tackled by Christian theologists over many centuries
A christian is some one that follows Christ and that Jesus is the Son of God and is God. JW's do not believe in a Christ. Mormons believe in "A" "TYPE" of Christ but not the Son of God, they even think Satan is Jesus's brother. So based off of these 2 comments I see that you have not done any research. Never sought the truth and your whole video will be based off of preconceived ideas and not anything truthful or researched for the truth. Have a good day with that.
@@samehatt5171 I don't get how any historians were witness to what Adam and Eve consumed. I am an atheist, too. So, all this is to me does not matter. All I wanted was be biblically correct. But it could have been an apple for all I care. It's all lies anyway.
You don’t know, Hebrew, therefore, you are ignorant of Hebrew, scriptures, tradition, practice, and all of the above. If you actually seek knowledge, you should study instead of being dogmatic. The Almighty created all of creation out of his desire to bestow as he seeks a true relationship of the mind. Maybe you should take a better look at Hebrew practice and tradition, as you seem pretty ignorant.
I do kbow Hebrew and it's still just words written by men. Don't you dare tell people you must know a certain language to understand truth it just makes you look all the more ignorant. I speak 5 languages and get on quite well with several more and I would never ever say what you just said to anyone! Now go put on a dunce cap and sit in the corner and think about what you just said!
@@AnthonyBruns since there is no objective evidence for any of the gods humans have worshipped the entire thing is just a story to explain the unknown.
Why you told sunni muslim sufi muslim and syiah muslim. All the muslim who are follow al quran and al sunnah he is muslim, now where orygina torah from moses and oryginal bible from jesus if this 2 abramic religion dont have oryginal where you want get a true from god. Now only islam and al quran have oryginal and can told you anythings you dont know but you much lern from a right person who know very weld old arabic and sahih hadith. But if want to know a simple you only can read translate al quran but if you want to understand deteil you much lern from arabic al quran
The Koran is not the original -the original Koran was destroyed by the caliph Uthman who replaced it with his own version which was a lot longer and had a lot more stuff in it that was thrown out. Koran consisted of a whole lot of bits and pieces written on a variety of substances . The very fact that certain bits had to be abrogated and replaced by later so called revelations proves it was a very human artefact essentially designed to justify the aggressive and expanding Islamic empire -there you have it so quit the nonsense!
Christianity doesn’t make sense to you because JW is a cult. Not an official, nor accepted branch of Christianity. Jesus Christ IS God and IS real and WILL fulfill His Word which is found in the Bible. God bless you man! Hope you come to the truth which is found in the Lord Jesus Christ!
Pffftttt. It's,just a book written by men. Over 2,000 yrs and still no sighted of him.... and in another 2,000 you will still say he is coming very very soon!, 😆
So jesus is god who sent himself as his son to be killed on behalf of his father (himself) to save the sins of humans which he knew would not work because he knows the future and therefore knew the outcome in advance. My question is ...was that child abuse or self abuse
🤭 Alright man. But when He comes back or you go from this world before His coming… I hope you can tell Him to His face that same comment! Repent my friend, and turn from your sins. ❤️🩹
Hey William, good question. Let’s answer it.
First of all, it did work. Christianity has had billions and billions of followers and I, and a handful of other Christians, can attest to you that His sacrifice was very much real and very much works.
You see, sin is still in the world because repentance is your choice. You can either choose to be in your sins or turn away from them. He doesn’t force us to be cleansed from them because His sacrifice was out of love. And if you love someone- you’re not even going to force yourself onto them in any proximity.
You see, the other reason why it works is because God, who is all-knowing, omnipotent, omnipresent, etc. knew and understood that the sacrifice Christ had to withstand on the Cross was the perfect, and sufficient sacrifice. We need to understand that God knows better than we do and Biblically, the passion makes sense.
… This wasn’t a matter of “child” or “self” abuse. Christ is God and the second person of the Holy Trinity- meaning He had the option to say no. He didn’t have to die for our sins, but He wanted to do that we could be redeemed, transformed and reconciled to our Creator, which is ultimately God. Repent of your sins my friend, but I hope this cleared up your questions.
Another reason why Christ had to die for our sins was because that was our punishment. Sin is a violation of God’s character, it’s the barrier that keeps you and I and everyone else away from Him.
But you and I could never atone for our sins because we will never be naturally righteous or holy. God needed justice for what has been done against Him and to other people. (For ex: if, God forbid, someone you loved was murdered- wouldn’t you want that murderer to go to jail?) same idea. Sin is destructive and needed to be atoned for because of how tainting and damaging it is.
And God wanted the blood of lambs because it is a theme in the bible that Jesús is the lamb and his blood was spilled to save his people its really poetic if you think about it.
I love you man and Im glad you made your way out of the JW organizations.
Im not here to tell you Im right or morally superior to anyone however Jesus is and if you have only heard the "JW Gospel" or the "Mormon Gospel" than you havent heard the real gospel. As you mention in your video, it seems quite hypocritical to say that only your religion has the right Jesus, but really, I'm trying to tell you that we have the best historical account of who he is. We have 5700 koine greek manuscripts even some of the earliest mentioning in John 1:18 calling Jesus the "monogenes Theos" (the one of a kind God).
You've probably heard a lot of what i've already commented and whats left in this message but the real question is who really is Jesus Christ?
Obviously a false christ doesnt have the power to save. Not only that, but if you ask every major world religion, they adopted Jesus into their religion.
If you ask the Hindu, they would say that Jesus is one of their 33 million gods. If you asked the Buddhist, they would say that Christ had a Christ consciousness. If you asked a Muslim, they would say that he's Esah a great prophet who didnt die on the cross. If you asked Jehovah's witness, they would say he's Michael the arch angel, the first and greatest creation of jehovah God. If you asked the mormon, who Jesus is, they would say he's the brother of Lucifer and they dont profess the trinity, they technically profess tritheism which is really just a small part of their polythiestic religion. They themselves believed that god was once a man and that he became god and they become a god to.
When we go to the earliest eye witness accounts of who Jesus was and who was around Jesus as he was walking on earth, they record him saying follow me. You obviously probably heard John 14:6.
1. When a Christian starts with how much they love a potential recruit, just before they launch in their recruitment pitch,
that's just love-bombing.
You can't love someone on a personal level if you don't even know them personally.
Nor can you love someone in the general sense of brotherly/sisterly love for all humans,
when your worship a deity who plans to kill (or eternally torment) any-or-most of those humans
forever
unless they join your "totally not a religion".
2.
"Im not here to tell you Im right or morally superior to anyone"
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That is also false.
Because the only way you can make that true
is if you completely abandon the premise that:
becoming a Christian has anything to do with embracing morality (or "righteousness").
If "accepting (your conceptualization of) Jesus as a person's lord and savior"
vs
someone NOT doing that
has nothing to do with moral character (aka "their heart condition")
then:
your "God" would have no available justification for passing moral judgments on people based on whether or not they have "accepted" him as such.
3. "Jesus is (morally superior to Justin Porter)".
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Based on what criteria?
You can't even demonstrate with facts, logic, or ethics that Magic-Jesus even exists.
The only "Jesus" qualified scholars will say "probably existed" was a fallible muggle-Jesus.
The stories themselves paint Jesus as a mix of wise-zen-master and schizophrenic religious bigot who "came only for the Jews".
He was NOT trying to start Christianity.
Instead,
he was merely trying to get the Jews to reason and behave better,
in preparation for the literal end of the world
in their lifetime,
when only proper Jews (no gentiles) would be spared
when God establishes the promised Jewish kingdom on Earth.
Prophecy failed.
Paul scavenged that failed apocalyptic cult from the dumpster of failed cults,
and then gave it a whole new theological framework.
But I'm still not impressed with the character of "Jesus" in those stories, because he was a randomly irrational and violent ethnic-supremacist.
He was also a habitually homeless, jobless, self-medicating, amateur magician, and cult-leader.
In the end of those stories, he argues with the voice of "God" to please NOT make him un-alive himself.
The voice of "God" (in his head) successfully pressures him into going through it.
But then Jesus blames everyone but himself for his own choices.
I'm sorry. But he lost his battle with mental illness. And my heart breaks (2 thousand years later) for what his madness drove him to do TO HIMSELF.
But sane people have no good excuse for pushing that still-evolving but still-awful cult into each next century.
4.
"if you have only heard the "JW Gospel" or the "Mormon Gospel" than you havent heard the real gospel."
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Which is more likely?
That
an all-knowing, all-wise, all-powerful Super-Being is really THAT BAD at communicating,
and THAT BAD at reaching everyone
with a barely-adequate (at best) articulation of his "message"
or
That
no such being
is trying to use you
to do any such thing?
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This is the same point made in a famous quote from a Star Trek movie:
"What does GOD need with a starship?"
Why does an omni-everything BEING need:
fallible human story-tellers,
a gossip chain (decades long; and sometimes centuries-long) to carry those stories forward,
later writers,
later editors,
later random "not the truth church(es) to cherry pick which letters will become part of a new bible,
more later writers,
more later editors,
competing translators,
making competing (and corrupted) versions of "the truth",
more competing churches deciding what any of it means,
later apologists overruling those churches,
etc..?
If a GOD relies on fallible people, then a GOD is relying on a method of communication
that is messy, corrupt, and broken.
That means he's letting countless "prospective members" fall through the cracks on his "Grand Plan", because of how many people will die before hearing any version,
and how many more will die before hearing "the real version",
and how many more will die being unable to psychologically process "the real version" correctly because of how they were raised, and because of mental illness, and because of low IQ, and because of unhealed traumas, etc..
Now, you can theorize that he'll just "judge those people based on their heart (aka "moral character"). But if that's the case, then why send Christian messengers and indoctrinators around to anyone at all in the first place?
5. "it seems quite hypocritical to say that only your religion has the right Jesus, but really, I'm trying to tell you that we have the best historical account of who he is. We have 5700 koine greek manuscripts even some of the earliest mentioning in John 1:18 calling Jesus the "monogenes Theos" (the one of a kind God)."
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Ok., first, no church or sect has dibs on those, to be able to say "we alone have them".
Next,
most of those "manuscripts" are tiny torn pieces;
from scrolls that were never found.
Next, most of the larger manuscripts are from MANY centuries later. So scholars don't even bother including those in their efforts to reconstruct the earliest versions of the stories they represent.
Next. as for John 1:18, see "Does the Bible Identify Jesus as “God the Son”?"
by Dan McClellan.
He explains the reasons why the lost originals probably didn't say "theos" there.
Have you heard that someone dead many many days was to be alive. Is it akin to resurrection? If not, why not? What's difference?
Thanks Yvonne, I love truth ,I believe religion is a double edged sword it comforts people and gives them a hope but it also divides people into a us and them mentality, Religion has caused more harm than good .You never hear of Atheists and Agnostics going to war with each other ,because life is precious and rare and the days of our life are precious and few and this life may be the only one we get ?????? I,ve been shunned for 6 years by jws ,how many years have you been shunned for Yvonne?
Hi, Justin. What the heck is sin to begin with? What sin? which sin? whose sin? to whom? Check for Tovia Singer to give you about God and Man.
From creation to the flood is an analogous story framed on the template of each humans life. Noah starts the first what is called a monomyth. The Bible is structured like any material from antiquity. It is simply in a genre meant o guide sheep. Jason sailing through the Clashing Rocks is the same template step where Moses crosses the Red Sea. Supernatural is for the masses who can't manage life or death. Watch this one. Jesus and Arthur.
Jesus was 'called' as the only son of God, had 'supernatural powers,' traveled with 'hand picked disciples' and instructs to seek the 'Kingdom of Heaven within.'
King Arthur was 'called' as the only one who could get Excalibur, had Merlin for 'supernatural powers,' traveled with 'hand picked knights' and seeks the 'Holy Grail.'
These steps are for a reason. They are not sharing the story. They are creating new stories with different analogouis terms on the exact same template. That template is what we're after. The religion is for the many called. The template is for the few chosen. Atheism isn't finding the template either. It's just denying the ridiculous supernatural claims. But something is in there for those who know how to find it.
There is some mysterious force running the show but what it is nobody knows????
@@justinporter458 I think we’re just flocked together a bit in the collective psyche. That’s how we evolved to sense fear and joy as a group of fragile creatures. It’s all energy based and we have a mysterious brain interface.
As far as the gospels are concerned, the catholic-orthodox faction has hidden or tossed the template centuries ago, as far back as around 115 CE when Ignatius wrote that Jesus really was born of a virgin, he really was crucified, he really suffered and died under Pilate and the whole nine yards. The forger of 2nd Peter said the same thing around 90 to 100 CE.
@@user-uo7fw5bo1o Spoken from the ranks of the many called.
who does the will of the Lord? To whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
Those with the biggest imaginations
Literally libraries of scholarly work out there answer all these theological questions. Read a bit before rambling, or plug these questions into youtube. There's many accomplished theologians that can answer this better than a comment section.
In what universe
does using TH-cam as an academic search engine
result in pages of reliable and mutually consistent academic answers
about any topic at all?
We're just finite beings to comprehend an infinite being.
1 Corinthians 3:19 KJV
[19] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
Yes it takes wisdom ,to accept the reality of death, as long as people reject that reality we will always have religion.
Science proves that actually nothing ever dies as molecules are constant and science is discovering more proof for the probability of a soul every day still leaving Christianity to be a ridiculous appropriated cognitive, confused theology
You are asking questions about the Hebrew tradition, and yet you think you have all the answers while you’re actually ignorant of everything Hebrew proof from your statement that are just ignorant
If I knew so little. I would not open my mouth. You should investigate. Because JW,s don't know how, I don't blame you.
Ask any observant Jew, he'll tell you that god wanted the Israelites to slaughter a lamb for each household and smear its blood on the lintel and doorposts. Not because the lamb signifies Jesus, but killing a lamb was an abomination, a religious sacrilege, to the Egyptians for they worshipped a deity with a sheep's head.
I believe in God, Jesus and NDEs. If you don't read Near-Death Experiences you'll never get a god handle on God, Jesus or anything else!
correction: good handle
The day somebody can prove that NDE's are worth looking into will be the day I do. So far they seem like a way to cope with nearly dying. Atheists see nothings. Theists see whichever afterlife their faith has. So if you don't have the idea that it should look this way you don't.
Near death experiences in other countries never report seeing Jesus. There was a big study in China for example where Jesus never appeared. Muslims, Hindu's etc. don't magically see jesus in "near death experiences"
Please do not mistake the Trinity for Modalism
Trinity (3 Foundations)
1. Monotheism
2. 3 distinct Persons
3. Each person is Equal.
The father and spirit didnt die on the cross... The Son Did!!!!
The father is not the son
The son is not the spirit
The spirit is not the father
All are truly God. The Son prays to the father and the Father prays to the son (Hebrews 1).
The father, son and spirit created everything. (Genisis 1:1-3) (John 1:1-18) (Colossians 1:15-20).
I,ve watched Tovia Singer ,he believes Jesus is not the real Messiah. I don't believe in sin but I do believe in crime which must be punished, unfortunately some criminal's get away with horrible crimes . The only justice in life ,is the justice we make .As a Agnostic Atheist life can be very unfair and sometimes the bad people win .
Sorry but I had to turn off your video because it was for me not worth listening to. I have no idea what your point about Christianity not making sense is. What I do know is that Christ is the complete revelation of God to mankind. God was revealed through generations through the Jewish people based on various prophets and a historical witness. Then Christ came into the world as foretold and took things to a greater level, most importantly revealing and demonstrating that God, for whatever reason, loves us, and that we do live after we die, however how we live in the next life is based on how we lived this life. God gives us complete free will, we can love Him or hate Him, we can love light or love darkness. What does not make sense of that?
He gives reasons in this video. If you can't be bothered to watch it, maybe don't comment.
Anybody who doesn't care to hear the words will never learn. As an atheist who has lived with theists my whole life I can tell you it's nothing but hogwash. Anything worth taking from the Bible can be found without all the evil bits in other books. If you need the fear of Hell to do good or be good you're just a risk to civilized society. Jesus himself said he would retune before the last would know darth. So your man is about 20 centuries late. At some point you have to admit you been stood up.
@@kellystone7501 or maybe I did.
no part of any of the god stories make sense. especially the one about the Christian god who loves you so much he will burn you eternally. And who raped a teenage girl to come to earth so that this god could sacrifice himself to himself to somehow provide some kind of benefit for the dead. seriously, only a child could believe such a story.
You talking about loving light. Where is the light in your religion?
You cant even trust your own God. Every day you christians must repent and sanctify your self to please your all loving God. The "Depart from me, I never knew you!"- quote from Jesus is allways there back in your head.
There is allways a little risk that you might get thrown in hell.
I cant see the light here. Or the goodness.
Hi Justin, i just came across your video. You make interesting points. I was reading the comments too, thats one of the few reasons why i dont have a channel, cause some can be cruel. Some aren't happy till they make fun of someone that chooses to be a free thinking individual. If you're not part of the herd then you're weird. It amazes me after all these generations, some still behave that way. But yeah, the Bible never made sense to me either. I see it as, if a person believes and trusts in the bible, then he/she must condone all the atrocities committed therein. I take a Gnostic approach to it, that the biblical god is really the devil. Some may think thats silly, but makes sense to me. I believe in the one true God, one that Jesus claimed he came from. God of true acceptance n love. Where all life came. A God of non judgment/condemnation. That we're all family, Jesus's true message of oneness. Thats why old/new testaments were so different. He never wanted anyone to worship him, but to be treated as a brother. Acceptance and love for ALL. I also dont believe in hell, another invention of the church. Just thought I'd share all that to get your insight. Good luck with your channel.
Thanks Eric ,the nasty commenters are helping my channel. I think the Jesus character was beautiful and all about love .Mark Twain 1835 -1910 said .Religion started when the 1st con man met the 1st fool.
Even if you were explained to, with every question answered logically so even a teenager could understand, you would choose not to believe. I hope you find your path. Good luck.
Religion is the opium of the people ,Karl Marx 1818 -1883 ,As a sober Atheist I've ditched my comfort blanket but please keep yours if it helps you escape reality. ❤
@@justinporter458 “Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.” Mark Twain
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.” Mark Twain
Every question answered logically? That's telling right there. Abrahamic evolved traditions are based in supernatural claims. Ever learn about it? Leave terms like 'logic' alone. There is no logic in belief of a supernatural that humans had to tell you all about. What logical is realizing we've been locally programmed and try to get out. You're in the pen. The gate is open. You're the one who needs the luck. Or just sit and watch what it means to seek and knock.
Your lack of understanding is wonderfully ridiculous. Listening to your rambling is like listening to a 2 year old explain a movie that it fell asleep in. 😅😅😅
nice job answering any points he brought up
Jesus defeated Satan he is the ultimate loser. Jesus will crush the head of Satan for an eternity through the power of the Holy Spirit!
And you provided nothing unless you want us to know you're judgemental and even more ignorant. Thistles from your garden have emerged.
@konsama1315 just for you... he started off point with saying that jahova witnesses and Mormons and catholics were all grouped together in his opinion. But each of those groups do not consider themselves part of any of the others. Only in his mind does that statement make since. The Buddhists and the Muslims and the Hindus also rever Jesus... does that make everyone "Christian"? Even the Satanists consider Jesus the son of God... and they HATE him... does that make them Christian? From this man's argument it does. And that was his most coherent argument and the foundation that he built upon. 😅😅😅 why would anyone attempt to dignify incoherent rambling? The fact that you desire it, suggests that your ignorance surpasses this man's. Maybe you should put down the internet and read a book.
Hindu religion makes sense? karma who chooses what you come back as because It would need to be a personal being God who knows All your thoughts words deeds
you need to have a relationship with jesus 1on1 and obey his commandments, thats all you need, whats no hard about understanding that.
Just live a good and just life. No need to submit to anybody else. That's fucking sick. We ended that sort of thing over 160+ years ago.
Your questions and statements alone show your lack of knowledge. You make sense in your own head but that's about it.
Thing is You are a sinner if a child does something wrong less punishment again a child does something against police Jail does something against A judge life in jail do something against God Eternal condemnation
Any god who condemns us to an eternity of torture, for a finite wrong is unworthy of worship. So the god of the bible isn't worth following and never was.
@@spaceorbisvlogs First of you reject forgiveness and life therefore you are Condemned prideful thinking you don't have anything to stand on you see You are not morally good which only God can give you freely through faith in Jesus Christ finished Work on the cross His Death Burial Resurrection Blood ( tree of life) you choose the Tree of knowledge of good and evil for eternity this is your free Will
@@brendangoodbrand2597 First of you reject forgiveness and life therefore you are Condemned prideful thinking you don't have anything to stand on
1: Forgiveness for what? I'm just living my life. Just because I don't agree with you in no way makes me a bad person or prideful.
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You are not morally good.
2: I don't care how you view me because I don't know you. Your views on how good or moral I am matter less then my views on the ants I step on every time I go outside.
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Only God can give you freely through faith in Jesus Christ finished Work on the cross His Death.
3: I didn't ask for him to die for wrongs I didn't do. If he existed at he died because the Romans killed him, not because he was acting as payment for wrongs done long before any of us were born. I find the very idea that I must answer for wrongs done thousands of years ago to be sick and wrong. Your god couldn't just forgive us... no he needed to have sex with a woman with a husband so she would give birth to his son so his son could be used in a sick human blood payment. I'm good without that sort of sick payment.
@@brendangoodbrand2597
First of you reject forgiveness.
1: I reject nothing. I simply don't agree that I'm in need of forgiveness for wrongs I never committed by anybody much less the being that is doing the condemning. Why would I want forgiveness from the being who is condemning me for just living my life?
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You don't have anything to stand on.
2: What am I in need of standing on here? Before we can talk about whether or not I'm in the wrong first show that I could even be in the wrong.
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You are not morally good which only God can give you freely through faith in Jesus Christ finished Work on the cross His Death Burial Resurrection Blood.
3: An unsupported assertion on your part that I needn't reply to so I'll just move past that. If Jesus did exist his death has nothing to do with me nor any perceived wrongs on your end. As an atheist I'm not against the notion of a historical Jesus. I'm simply against the notion that he was magical.
@@spaceorbisvlogs for wrongs I never committed hahaha you think you are good now I know you are lieing to me with this statement HYPOCRISY end of conversation
You are starting to understand how to approach the Hebrew scriptures by asking questions. That was a good one. Yes, who placed the tree in the first place that’s the point.
The Almighty tells Adam how did you know I wanted you to eat from the tree and he tells G-D I didn’t she told me that’s out of humility. There’s many lessons to be learned here, but you should start trying to understand it from the original instead of your confused Roman propaganda.
Do you honestly believe the story of the garden of Eden is literally true everything in genesis prior to Abraham did not literally happened this can be scientifically proven plus genesis 1 contradicts genesis 2
All religion is death denial primates coping with grief and their own mortality.
@@justinporter458 Religion is a group survival mechanism...tribes existed before religion and religion was invented to support tribal life
Where you drunk when you made this?
No I,m a sober Atheist, I look after my health since this is the only life we get and alchohol is poison ,so I don't have an imaginary friend who will forgive me ,
Are you a rational being?
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@@justinporter458So you Trust your uncreated mind that nothing created everything FOOL
I’d like to put it out there that I’m glad you are no longer held by the false doctrines of JW. But at the same time you can’t say JW are Christian and so are Catholics. Their fundamental teaching on who Jesus is are completely different. That’s a big issue because the whole faith hangs on who Jesus is if you change his identity from what he revealed to us then the faith as a whole from the ground up is understood differently.
Yes it does not make any sense, many yrs ago I became a ...born again Pagan, back to my ancient European earth 🌎 religion. I have never felt so alive since I returned back to mother earth!❤🎉
I reckon Mother Nature is God, she doesn't write books or know of our existence, but she,s awe inspiring and we can discover her with the telescope and microscope.
LOL 😂
Progress is only done through struggle, but focusing on the negatives is just your problem, but Christianity is ridiculous
dude, find my comment and read it, you are free to reject Christianity, but why call it ridiculous? It is far from that, it is wonderful. It is justice for bad people coming from a loving God! What I mean is God loves you, allows you to write whatever you want, but He does have the last word. I assure you he has the final word.
oh I see you are a Jew, I hear you guys are not allowed to read some of your own scripture, Isaiah something or other... I love how your own scripture condemns you as being a stiff necked people.
@@rob12449
I’ve studied the theology and scriptures, meticulously and carefully. It’s outrageous. The doctrine of Christianity. There’s no other way to describe it besides ridiculous without being offensive.
@@Yosaif-Israel and maybe you are an idiot and I should feel sorry for you,? I've also read scripture throughout my lifetime, have interpreted the "Book of Daniel" visions, and in no way can I imagine what you are saying. Christianity has brought light for generations, not that all Christians have been truly faithful, nor not made mistakes and failure. Christianity has produced saints highly regarded by people of other faith, including St Mother Theresa of Calcutta. She was given a state funeral by the nation of India. You are blind not only to scripture but history.
@@rob12449 Dude.
Christianity be like ...
"In order for GOD to forgive us
for something we didn't even do,
we had to kill somebody else
who didn't do it either".
It is almost certain Jesus existed though his actions may have been exaggerated and his beliefs miss represented
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.” Mark Twain
@@user-ky5dy5hl4d you're a statement is not a proper reply to what I said
Understand that whomever wrote the book had nefarious intent towards humanity, essentially the god of the bible is a narcissist, clue number one "love me or i will hurt you" , clue number two, heres the law laws you must follow or i will hurt you, but im allowed to do nasty shit because im a nasty sociopathic god that is just pure love 🙄
The God of the Bible is bad association and I don't want him playing anywhere near my imagination, I don't like bullies.
Maybe realize that’s how mankind has made him out to be. If you don’t understand the weight of sin, of course the Lord’s reactions may seem ridiculous.
@mayjailer682 maybe they just made up the whole con, humanity has been around some 300,000 years, that's 298,000 years of doing just fine without the christian god, the whole thing is a con to control and exploit
@@justinporter458 I banished him forty odd years ago
There is no version of Christianity that is rational or ethical.
The Bible is the greatest Cult manual ever invented to control and manipulate the masses ,and is still pulling the wool over people's lives and fleecing them ,the remedy is,, ,,An apple a day keeps God away,,
I will not say that there have been some church leaders that have used the Bible as a way to gain power- but Christ and the disciples themselves never sought out political power and in fact we’re incredibly despised and oppressed. The Bible is seen as a “control” guide because it exposes and suppresses our sinful urges and natures. Of course our sinful flesh doesn’t want to be refused!
@@justinporter458 sometimes the flock pay for it with their lives. You ought to look into Jim Jones The People's Temple Jones town, and David Koresh The Branch Davidians Waco Texas.
No Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses and Muslims adopt Jesus but do not follow the Gospels as written. You need to talk to a mainstream Catholic or Protestant priest or minister to help you through these very common questions you are raising. Much of what you say has been tackled by Christian theologists over many centuries
Unitarian do not believe in the trinity
A christian is some one that follows Christ and that Jesus is the Son of God and is God. JW's do not believe in a Christ. Mormons believe in "A" "TYPE" of Christ but not the Son of God, they even think Satan is Jesus's brother. So based off of these 2 comments I see that you have not done any research. Never sought the truth and your whole video will be based off of preconceived ideas and not anything truthful or researched for the truth. Have a good day with that.
Did you get stunned by a cow prod?
JESUS IS NOT GOD NEVER WAS NEVER WILL BE.,SALVATION IS ONLY POSSIBLE THROUGH JESUS. This guy does not make sense.
Jesus Christ is God
Salvation from what?
Jesus never existed.
@@user-ky5dy5hl4d Historians beg to differ, buddy
@@samehatt5171 I don't get how any historians were witness to what Adam and Eve consumed. I am an atheist, too. So, all this is to me does not matter. All I wanted was be biblically correct. But it could have been an apple for all I care. It's all lies anyway.
You don’t know, Hebrew, therefore, you are ignorant of Hebrew, scriptures, tradition, practice, and all of the above. If you actually seek knowledge, you should study instead of being dogmatic. The Almighty created all of creation out of his desire to bestow as he seeks a true relationship of the mind. Maybe you should take a better look at Hebrew practice and tradition, as you seem pretty ignorant.
I do kbow Hebrew and it's still just words written by men. Don't you dare tell people you must know a certain language to understand truth it just makes you look all the more ignorant. I speak 5 languages and get on quite well with several more and I would never ever say what you just said to anyone! Now go put on a dunce cap and sit in the corner and think about what you just said!
Torturing all of humanity because Eve ate an apple. Yeah makes sense hahah
I think it was just a fruit. The apple was something that was added onto the story likely in the middle ages.
An apple a day keeps God away
@@spaceorbisvlogs apple was chosen because it makes a wordplay in Latin; mala "apple" is like malus "bad" In Hebrew it is clearly "fruit"
The claim that God is torturing humanity is wild
@@AnthonyBruns since there is no objective evidence for any of the gods humans have worshipped the entire thing is just a story to explain the unknown.
Don't worry at your age it will all make sense sooner than later.
In the 2070,s when your a old man and Jesus still hasn't come back yet ,you,ll get to wondering why he,s so late .
@@justinporter458 I suggest an in-depth study of Marian apparitions, especially Our Lady of Fatima. It may be illuminating.
@@JohnLowell-xs8ro I'm surprised you didn't also mention the Shroud Of Turin. And all the vampires who are afraid of crosses.
@@ApPersonaNonGrata Psalm 52:1
@@JohnLowell-xs8ro It's all BS. There is no such thing as supernatural.
Why you told sunni muslim sufi muslim and syiah muslim. All the muslim who are follow al quran and al sunnah he is muslim, now where orygina torah from moses and oryginal bible from jesus if this 2 abramic religion dont have oryginal where you want get a true from god. Now only islam and al quran have oryginal and can told you anythings you dont know but you much lern from a right person who know very weld old arabic and sahih hadith. But if want to know a simple you only can read translate al quran but if you want to understand deteil you much lern from arabic al quran
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The Koran is not the original -the original Koran was destroyed by the caliph Uthman who replaced it with his own version which was a lot longer and had a lot more stuff in it that was thrown out. Koran consisted of a whole lot of bits and pieces written on a variety of substances . The very fact that certain bits had to be abrogated and replaced by later so called revelations proves it was a very human artefact essentially designed to justify the aggressive and expanding Islamic empire -there you have it so quit the nonsense!