Dragon Age Inquisition: Specialisation Tier List
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So here is the tier list for ever specialisation is dragon age inquisition for rouge, mage and warrior. When having a party of 4 it is usually best to take all classes.
Here is the tier list in full:
All Specs:
General Mobs
Early Game 10-13
Warrior///
Champion: God (never dies)
Reaver: tier 2
Templar: tier 3
Rogue///
Tempest: tier 1
Assassin: tier 2
Artificer: tier 1
Mage///
Knight Enchanter: tier 2
Rift Mage: tier 3
Necromancer: tier 3
Mid Game 14-17
Warrior///
Champion: God (never dies)
Reaver: tier 1
Templar: tier 2
Rogue///
Tempest: God (...)
Assassin: tier 1 (these 2 have less survival...)
Artificer: tier 1
Mage///
Knight Enchanter: tier 2
Rift Mage: tier 2 (all same as KE survive but rift and necro damage)
Necromancer: tier 2
Late Game 18+
Warrior///
Champion: tier 1 (never dies)
Reaver: God (never dies if played right and kill speed)
Templar: tier 2 (1 combo and thats it)
Rogue///
Tempest: God
Assassin: God (do i have to explain???)
Artificer: God
Mage///
Knight Enchanter: tier 2
Rift Mage: tier 1 (all same as KE survive but necro damage but then rift even more aoe dmg and cc.)
Necromancer: tier 2
Bosses/Dragon
Early Game 10-13 (1 to 3 points)
Warrior///
Champion: God
Reaver: tier 3
Templar: tier 3
Rogue///
Tempest: tier 1
Assassin: tier 3
Artificer: tier 3
Mage///
Knight Enchanter: tier 2
Rift Mage: tier 3
Necromancer: tier 3
Mid Game 14-17 (4 to 7 points)
Warrior///
Champion: God
Reaver: tier 1
Templar: tier 3
Rogue///
Tempest: tier 1
Assassin: tier 2
Artificer: God
Mage///
Knight Enchanter: tier 2
Rift Mage: tier 3
Necromancer: tier 3
Late Game 18+ (all points in spec)
Warrior///
Champion: tier 1
Reaver: God
Templar: tier 3
Rogue///
Tempest: God
Assassin: tier 1
Artificer: God
Mage///
Knight Enchanter: tier 2
Rift Mage: tier 3
Necromancer: tier 3
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LOL i'm bad, KE is almost god tier
Damn I come back to the game after years and you comment on this day XD
Lmao same dude
So which spec is better? Rift mage or knight enchanter?
@@proudmoore5254 I don't know they are both amazing however
Why are you not uploading anymore?
Reaver is by far my favorite specialization. When played right, using weapons normally isn’t even required
But you need equipments to boost up attributes like critical chance & critical damage.
Yep. With ROP on, using the life drain ability will heal you to full health.
I like to couple that with War Cry for armor and I just use Dragon Rage, heal, dragon rage, heal, ROP, etc. Enemies won't usually kill me because the armor is there.
It becomes a bit boring tbh. But really op.
Its boring as fck
Early game, you have to move knight enchanter to god tier. It has just as much survivability if not more than champion due to the superior damage output compared to the champion build. You also forget, you have to spec the build also, so considering you respec to have all the skills in the champion tree, you would still need certain skills to make him even usuable, especially with a two handed warrior. While with Knight enchanter you don’t even need all the skills in the knight enchanter tree to make it unkillable. This isn’t even including the enchanted gear.
You do raise a good point, I think I should of pushed KE up to tier 1 for the early tiers. Once i'm back from uni I might do an update to this potentialy.
so sad they didnt bring back blood mage, would have been cool specially since in inquisition your party finally comments on your specialisation .
Yeah, it was a pretty cool spec but i understand why they did it. Blood magic is supposed to be this uber dangerous type of magic that everyone fears and hates but in DA2 you were just walking around with it. I think they took it out because of lore reasons. The closest you can get to a blood mage is by playing a reaver. I hope they manage to come up with a reason to being it back in DA4. The story/choices of inquisition didn't really allow for blood magic and as cool as it was, it never really made much sense in the other games as a warden and the champion of kirkwall. In DA4 they should allow you to take a darker path and bring back blood mage.
The reason Blood Mage wasn’t a playable class in Inquisition for the Inquisitor was due to something Solas explains. Blood Magic weakens your connection to the fade. Thus, having the Mark and using Blood Magic would be counter productive.
Also, Blood Magic is seriously frowned upon, how good would it look if a third party Army was formed and the leader was using Blood Magic?
No matter how you slice it, you would never be able to swing Blood Magic in a positive light with the state Thedas was in.
@@invinciblereason1618 DA4 is suspected to be in Tevinter so...
There are mods on nexus that bring it back
@@invinciblereason1618 I likely won't be getting DA4, but I want Arcane Warrior and Spirit Healer back. Hell, I just want mages to be good again in DA4. They're so damn weak in Inquisition, especially compared to Origins where they were on steroids. Its like whiplash with how far they've fallen
I'd re-evaluate the Necro-mage choice. If you spec with crit chance, using snowfleur skin to build some nice Rogue armor, along with giving them the Enhanced Belt of the Storm Pact (fire pact or winter pact may do), you'll have an amazing fear-inducing (literally) crit master thanks to some of the passives in the necro-tree. There's an AMAZING video on said build on Ninja Flip's channel, which is what got me to even branch off from playing as a Rogue into playing as a mage and specking in the necro tree.
Knight Enchanter was crazy for me because my shield never dropped. I could hit mobs by myself because I kept my shield going by using the DA lightsaber. My health never reflected how much damage I took.
KE is the easiest class to solo the game with in my opinion. Its a walk in the park.
Yeah, but Knight enchanter has also had the most nerfs applied.
When it first came out you could just dildo everything with your sword, bothering with other spells actually produced less dps most of the time.
But its dmg has been halved since, and it operates off of a new mechanic. So you have to "charge" your sword with other spells just to do the same damage KE was doing pre patches.
KE use to easily be god tier, but it's damage is way to low now.
Rift mage mana builds are better now because you can keep everything perma CCed and you can spam things like fire mine.
Uncharged KE blade is 150% weapons dmg, fire mine spam is over a 1000%. Paired with the invisible ring for mages, that mine is always going to be a crit as well. Stack crit damage in your gear and now you're super nuking everything around you. By late game you will easily be poping mobs for 100k at a time. Compared to knight enchanter which can't even get above 10k crits with it's blade strikes anymore.
Wish this game was still receiving updates, KE really needs to be restored to glory.
@@libraryofpangea7018 Never understood while they would nerf a SP game. Can i ask a question since seem to know your game. KE got nerfed so what you consider the best class??
@@vegiton7936
In my opinion, Sabotage/Artifacier dagger rogue, with a focus on cunning & crit damage.
Even tho you're using melee weapons you're actually a mid range rogue.
Every time you or someone in your party crits you get stam and cool down, paired with elusive stack poison cloud you take no damage.
When you clone build varric you feed off each others crits, which basically turns knife throw into a machine gun.
Keep perma stuns up if you want with trap & elemental grenades from both of you litter the field making every step the enemy's take feed you more stam and Cc.
With the right gear even without Varric you can kill dragons in under a minute, my record is 12 seconds, on nightmare with full trial's.
Everyone likes to say Champion two hander because your basically immortal and you can get massive crits off.. but honestly, killing something in 12 seconds is better to me than surviving it for a long time just to see a big number. Lol
Tempest archer yoyo builds are good too imo, with grip hook leaping shot spam.
Best mage now in my opinion are Rift mages because of the sheer debuffs and field control.
KE use to be way better but now it can't even do a quarter of the damage my rogue does and its survival isn't as strong as Two hander Champs & its utility isn't as strong as Rift.
On the bottom in my opinion is Templar and Necro, assasins & Reavers are fun as specific play styles aren't weak but aren't as effective imo as Art or Champ
@@libraryofpangea7018 Looks amazing. And seem like your survivability is high too. You happen to have any build description?
And what other party members next to varric are you using?
And how is the survivability in the beginning? Played it in 2014 but that mission when you loose haven is a bitch on nightmare
Champion = absolute mad lad
Star's 2H build was the best warrior run i had
Remember guys, is good to be champion
@@Zasch584 why? For the story?
Mages get fast cooldowns so you can spam spells, I think that makes knight enchanter tier 1 late game and necromancer tier 1 for mobs late game.
Knight enchanter is literally unkillable on nightmare from early game on and is never placed higher than tier 2. Must be building your KE wrong if that is your opinion.
Because they don't have the damage as the other unkillable specs.
Someone favours the warrior class ;P
@@organicmechanic2477 Fire Mine (three mine version), Chain Lightning and Fade Cloak. Literally all you need to destroy everything. Plus a single target spell of choice and you've got all your bases covered
@@xAUSSIEREAPER Good for you :)... Still won't be anywhere near a Reaver or any of the Rogues specs in Late Game & Bosses, these classes can outdamage any Mage spec without thinking twice and even without the best equipment available if played correctly. Just sayin'.
@@tentenovamente7458 I won't deny that. Rogues OBLITERATE everything. My Assassin is outright evil lol. I just disagreed with where KE was placed in this video given its extreme survivability and peoples mistaken belief that KE can't do decent damage output.
I saw this video a while ago and neglected to comment. Honestly, you did a really good analysis of the specializations. Personally, my favorite classes are champion and artificer. Those are the ones I had the most fun with xD. Keep up the awesome vids! I'm really happy to see your channel grow.
I like how KE can't be compared to rogue in late game but champion can still be in tier 1, even though KE has as much survibability as champion, more cc than any rogue or warrior, and deals the best damage out of any of the mage classes.
Dude have you ever seen a champion
@@simonsnowden654 Yeah, played with champions too. They can go invulnerable for a short while, whoopdie do. Invulnerability counts for shit when you have two mages spamming barrier and as soon as you give shield wall to your tank he can perform better than champion anyways except against aoe damage. but you're covered by barriers anyways so what does it even matter. Champion is great for solo, sure, but that's just the thing, you're never gonna play solo unless you want to. Champions have pretty much no reason to exist until you decide to play solo.
Joao Gomes they gain guard while invulnerable and can be built to be invulnerable at all times. This means they IGNORE abilities like barrier breaker or dispelling which are rare but do happen. Against bosses a champion will outperform (eventually) with to the death
@@MrODST57 KE is much better because with the fade-touched materials they can get full guard, full barrier, full HP while having Walking fortress on and do DPS Champion can only dream of. I think this was only with their base abilities and no fade touched mats used in armors. Mages with Encore (if you use the nug for the items) or Lyrium-Infused Staff (if not using the Nug) and proper anti-death mats like FT Silverite and FT Dawnstone means you can never ever die as you have 3 healthbars essentially while walking in invulnerability and on top of that have insane CC to keep yourself alive and your damage isnt something Reaver, Tempest or Artificer do BUT its much higher than a champion.
I haven't played much of any classes except mage, never had a problem
You'll see what I mean if you use a great rouge or warrior build.
No dont! Its a trap.. The game becomes borring if you do!
This is such a well put together video, thank you a ton! doing my second play through and I agree with everything you say about assassin.
I have to agree with the Reaver tiers. It does struggle a bit at earlier levels but once you get it fully skilled up, it shreds everything. It’s a must have for any party
Love your videos Florge, I've been watching you since you had 24 subs and have enjoyed every single one of your vids, thanks for helping me out on dragon age!
I never get bored of your channel and I don't plan on doing that any time soon... (or ever) 👍🏻.
I'm glad you enjoyed all my vids and that you've been here from the start, it really does mean the world to me :D I don't plan on stopping soon so hopefully i can keep making videos you love.
Hi StarFlorge, I've just started playing this game, everything is new to me and your vids are really helpful. Thx, keep it up!
OrionK Glad they all are, hope any of my builds videos are helpful too.
Definitely, they'll do. This's my first game of the series DA too lol. I'm playing male mage and only got 4 basic elements now. Idk when I can get all of them to start team building and char building /_\
I am playing a mage rn and the strength with the mage comes from their utility and combinations with all their abilities, while rift mages lack survivability, they can pull out insane number if you combine their spells together, and that's why I disagree with their tier placements, because you make them seem like complete trash when they are not.
No compared to overall specializations they are trash.
But I personally like rift mage with hight crit rate & damage for those combo.
@@Valt3445 I get your point. this tier list compares solo build to another not how they combine I guess. Rift mages cc, allow spells combinations, support your team and shred things AOE.. they're awesome in party but take longer time to kill things alone.
It's a little bit against the actual intended way in which the game should be played to play solo and assume that any specialisation is intended for playing alone. All of the specialisations have abilities that also don't do anything without the rest of the team and therefore are useless in solo. Characters are also a lot mote stronger in the team based on how the abilities of each specialisation are combined with each other and it takes way less time to fight anything in the game than going solo. Mages also are some of the best in the game simply because they can have reach easily far from where they are and can change the entire course of action of the fight and also do a lot of damage. I usually do so much damage with a mage on a regular mob before they even get to me or my team gets to them, and any team without a mage doesn't carry a lot of damage. If you run up to a mob to hack at them then obviously mages don't even have close combat and they inherently run around with a stick everywhere so it wouldn't make sense from that perspective, but if instead you put them in the best positions to use their spells, they wreak havoc worse than any other class and on a very wide range field.
>KE Tier 2 all the way to the end
Did we play the same game? My Nightmare run with this reaper is doing just fine. About to launch last main mission.
Weird. I played mage with the three specs and I always go back to KE with fire tree and some spirit for the barriers.
And I kill everything really fast and I can last in the battle a lot.
And in the DLC battles and nightmare difficulty KE it's a must unless you want to die. A lot.
You have a mass ress/dot heal and it you go with barriers and fire tree to solo all.
In the Descent DLC Vivienne was the only one standing each time darkspawn came to kill us. And I had her ress all the party with all the gain focus belt and necklace.
Give your mage the blade-staff and you will hit AOE, add crit chance, put points in the fire tree and done!
Rift mage is way better than knight enchanter (especially in descent dlc) because you can weaken enemies and get mana back. with 160% crit damage and 80% critical chance, you can use fire mine to get 19k damage, then combine with different spells.
Note: its obvious, I'm talking about playing in nightmare and one can easily solo descent with rift mage on nm with correct equipments and enough attribute points.
Necromancer should be tier 3 all the time cause Cole gets sad when you pick it 😢
That's a stupid reason.
Something I found with my own Templar was that the Wrath/Purge combo could be done reasonably quickly because of the cooldown reduction on crit passive, in the 2-handed build (which I think still works with a shield equipped).
Apart from that, I don't see how Knight-Enchanter isn't god tier from the midgame and onwards. They are the only ones in the game to keep up with Champions on the defense, on top of having one of the most versatile sets of abilities to compliment it with. KE can tank, spank, CC and support with the best barriers in the game for both themselves and their party, due to the passive that reduces barrier decay.
Actually, the templar should be in god tier from mid game to endgame simply because of the wrath of heaven + dispel combo. Sure, it won't work on bosses like dragons and what not but he's still the best in crowd control, far better than the reaver and the champion. I thought the reaver was the best before but someone proved me wrong. Dispel does 600% dmg to all enemies that are stunned and no other warriors can do that (the damage gets better with blessed blades). Also, any class becomes immortal after Skyhold if you choose to side with he templars cuz Fiona drops the amulet of barrier (basically does the same thing the KE does). When you get to lvl 16-17, if u min-max your character, u can get to 158K dmg against a group of demons. The lowest you'll get will probably be something like 70K against other group of mobs. Credits to Titus_Actual for the build.
Honestly, other than the mages on nightmare with trials where shit is immune to large portions of your kit, you can min max any build to make the game a joke. For example, you're constantly underselling Templar. A crit 2h Templar build with all of the relevant skills has its true combo nuke up every 6 seconds and is critting for overkill damage on humanoids and other enemies, not just demons.
I love playing mages, and have always made the ones I've played pretty God tier then again strategy and skill plays part for all. Not to sound snobby.
Damian Blackward lmao teach me I feel like absolute garbage cause I picked mage
Arti/ sabotage, knife throw explosion rogue is my personal favorite. Pair it off with elusive stacks & in my opinion it puts it in god tier as soon as you have poison cloud speced off.
Your cool down lets you keep elusive up 💯 of the time, and the elemental grenades lets you litter the ground on dragon fights. So no matter where the dragon steps it's taking huge amounts of damage.
I'm taking out dragons in under a minute on nightmare. It's really fun just watching all the explosions and the knife throw spam start to dmg stack.
To survive the longest against anything, use a shield.
Cassandra is my fav character because I've been in multiple situations where she's the only one left alive, full health, guard, stamina and is a complete beast.
No appreciation for the mages, i see. We definitely playing different games. Mages have excellent survivability - Barier (makes Mage infinitely more useful for the group than Rogue, especially early on) + Fade step + Ring of doubt + ton of CC. Knight enchanter have same survivability as Champion, but deals a lot more damage. Only downside is you need to play it yourself, AI sucks - so as tank of the group is not that great. Reaver has deacent damage but nothing special. Rift mage is Infinite mana Lord of destruction. It needs only 4 skill point to become Infinite mana (3 if you take area CC instead of damage). Late game when you have all 8 slots of abilities, it has no equal. And damage is consistent, and not burst like Assassin which is healpful in late game when regular mobs have 10k+ heals and 1 shot is not an option. Templar also is underrated. Has good combo and can be used as support. Late game can replace Champion as tank of the group becoming support/tank (at this stage they both are unkilable but Templar is better support). Also mage can carry all 3 element staffs and chose what to use before the battle (in that case staffs became almost as powerful as bows). This is especially true for the bosses and dragons that almost always have weaknesses to some elements.
I mean I do prefer mages, did the whole game solo nightmare + trials with one. This tier list is wrong for the early game but not the late game at all. I wish mages were better. Also u seen how many mage builds I done xD I love mages as much as you
Just because you dont know how to play other classes doesnt mean they are not much better damage wise than mages.
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You'll find tones of videos of archers doing this, they are overpowered as fuck. Reavers also do a LOT more damage than mages its not even close.
Its 100x harder to solo this game with a mage than it is with a rogue, why? Well because if you want to craft gear your rogue will one shot everything, lol.~
The fact that you say that a Staff can become as powerful as bows means you know NOTHING about this game at the highest level.
@@StarFlorge A lightning Knight enchanter mage is a fucking monster though, imo much better than any other specialization for any class. Dont even need your damn party anymore, i'd consider that pretty much Top tier
I'm going easy 6k dmg and 3k dmg with knight enchanter... inferno knight enchanter.
Dude Knight enchanter is god tier you could solo the whole game with that subclass I know this video is old but damn. I know so because I beat every boss as a knight enchanter solo
Ikr? I soloed a dragon with my enhachanter
Love Knight enchanter I tend to mix this subclass with elements so I’m basically an Primal (Ice and fire) Knight Enchanter.
tbh you could probably solo a dragon with every mage class. Star did it with rift mage, you did it with ke, and necro could use ring of doubt
I did my first play through as a Necromancer/Spirit mage, and I didn’t complain about that build at all and enjoyed the hell out of that build. I still want to try out Rouge tempest, champ warrior, & Knight Enchanter mage. I heard Rift mages and already have been to an agreement that they are the worst dps mages in the game due to the fact that they can’t do damage to boss tanks or dragons. They are only great at AoE against groups and that’s only one thing compared to other classes with multiple skills sets shatterstone or veil strike on a dragon is just dumb.
If you get the mod that reverts the spirit blade nerf then you can literally just spam SB through the whole game. I always have viv in my party now because she just tears through stuff and she doesn't even have any insane gear.
I solo'd trespasser as a knight enchanter my first playthrough and it was amazing. Didnt lose any health the entire thing through. Cant imagine that other specialisations are watt stronger
Champion is. They can’t be killed.
I've played dai twice, once when it came out never figured out how to do specialisations so I just stook with base rogue, this time I went rogue tempest and I'm loving it
I would put necromancer tier 1 for late game mobs.
The passives are great for a start. Death siphon gives you health and mana per enemy that dies nearby, blinding terror makes enemies vulnerable to more damage when panicked, power of the dead increases your spell damage when you kill an enemy and simulacrum literally allows you to play as a ghost when you die and has zero cooldowns on all abilities.
Then the actives. The other abilities are all great for CC but the best is walking bomb with the virulent upgrade. Virulent will infect other enemies nearby with WB when the original target is dead. Combine this with static cage + the upgrade that does more damage to them and groups become easy to wipe out. They are stuck in an AoE that they can't leave and are next to another person that is infected with a walking bomb. When you focus your efforts on the infected target then sit back as they explode, deal chunks of damage to other enemies and pass on the effect to them. It quickly becomes a show of fleshy fireworks and groups are taken out as easy as pie. You have horror to deal with ranged enemies which will be your only worry and any health you do lose you will just get back from all of the virulent walking bomb chain kills with the death siphon passive.
This isn't even the best way to use necromancer either, yet it clears trash mobs like they are nothing. Sure, the other classes are better at fighting dragons but for dealing with mobs late game, i think necro should be in tier 1.
And don't even get me started on KE. Literally get the mod that reverts the nerf and spam spirit blade through the whole game, even on nightmare. Should be at least T1 for everything at every stage of the game.
This video (and your other videos) severely underestimates the Knight Enchanter. A Knight Enchanter using Fade Cloak, Chain Lightning and Fire Mine (using the 3 mine upgrade) and as many passives as you can invest DESTROYS mobs all the way through the game. Any that survive either die to Spirit Blade or survive until the cooldowns are done, at which point they get hit with Fire Mines and Chain Lightning yet again. Knight Enchanter should be minimum of Tier 1 the entire way through. And in End game it should be in God Tier.
Assassin should be in God Tier as well against Bosses, a single target versus a high crit flanking cloaked Rogue? Nothing stands up against it. Especially once you enchant your weapons with 10% chance to cast Hidden Blades
Exactly my thoughts. KE literally when built right not only has infinite shield but also armor. Double shields you can solo the whole world at that point cause you just won't die.
Also agreed I don’t really see how anything could possibly be more overpowered than the ke it’s actually unfair lol
@@123NERDZ you really need to see those tempest rogue solo dragon less than 10 sec
anakkucings yes from a dps stand point they are over powered the thing which makes the ke over powered isn’t its dps though . It’s the fact that they can’t be killed which makes the knight enchanter ridiculously op . You can make it to where you gain barrier and guard on every hit it’s unfair lol
@@123NERDZ on rogue , you can make them gain guard and barrier as well
The dual handed rogue artificer with the 100% chance is super super super god tier in my personal experience. I completed dai more than 10 times each with different styles but with trials on every time. I never had a more easier time than playing with dual wielding artificer.
Hey Starflorge. I've been playing this game since release and thought I knew everything on how to be optimal, but your videos are still teaching me things. You put on good work, keep it going.
Michael Reidy what's your favorite class
ITACHI2783 Warrior Reaver
Michael Reidy same
Cant wait until DA:4 comes and to see your videos about it :)
I can't wait for it too, hoping to soon start making news videos on DA:4 :)
Will be aswesome :) Keep it up man!
Templar wombo combo is pretty insane late game but yes, it's just the 1 combo
in my first play through, i chose templar as my specialization and invested in high crit chance to take advantage of flow of battle so that i can cast the combo more often. honestly i really enjoyed the holy/magical knight theme and it has the best visual effects for the warrior class IMO. coupled with the masterwork that increases attack for each enemy in the vicinity, its potential to wreck groups of mobs at once is god tier even on nightmare with trials on. however when it comes to classes that are immune to stun, which are generally the harder enemies in the game, its just ok i guess and to get 2h greatsword templar to have high critical is a bit of chore at least without compromising attack. then i saw your artificer build, finished the main quests on my templar and have just started a new game with a rogue, cant wait to get OP, was bored of the "nice" speech choice on my templar anyways.
anyways i still prefer templars for warriors as the combo is like a "true" ultimate, i get reaver does way more damage consistently but it doesnt have that oomph move and champion just can't die.
to champion players, can you guys tell me why you enjoy that specialization? wanted to go champion initially as i love the unkillable theme and counterstrike is such a badass skill but then i realised it was a focus skill so i decided with templar. i would really love to use champion so yeah.
Sorry 5 years too late LOL, but there are many people thar enjoys playing as a tank or even support character.. Thats whu in any MMORPG games there always tons of tanks and supports player out there, not as many as DPS of course, but many people like to get hit and be badass about it..
I am one of those guy that Love magic, support and tank character, and this game has that character named KE, thats why i finsihed this game 3x as KE.. I can tank, i can support, i can dp magic
IMHO, assassin should be god tier for late game bosses. I took down the sandy crawler at lvl 18, it was lvl 20 and it was dead from solo DW Assassin in about 25 seconds. (This was on HARD difficulty with walk softly, focus always removed after resting at camp, and the first trial forget the name, but always makes enemies at least the same lvl as the inquisitor. My first complete playthrough I did a DW artificer rogue, and I had a fair amount of issues with dragons. Probably because it was my first playthrough though. But I did Stealth, Poisoned Weapons, Toxic Cloud (Elusive stacks upgrade to avoid damage/status effects) Mark of Death with 50% DMG upgrade, throwing knives (with DMG upgrade) Hidden Blade (more hits upgrade) and the Shadow Strike ability (forget which upgrade I have on that) Spinning Death I ability, I think? (Ability where you kind of leap at enemy and spin in several circles with blades extended) hit Mark of Death again and It's at about half health at this point. Maybe a tad bit more than half. But by the point I finish off the ability rotation for the 8 seconds of Mark of Death and for the damage to show up from Mark, my cooldowns are about 1/3rd of the way back. To be fair, my character is ABSOLOUTELY STACKED in terms of crit chance and damage. I have 72% crit chance, and 138% crit damage. (My gear consists of BIS (Best in Slot) items/schematics I can obtain (schematics from my first playthrough so stuff like stone stalker blades and such) and the best unique accessories I can obtain at that point in time, like the Superior Belt of attack as an example. I don't think I have the superior ring of critical chance yet (iirc that's bought from the black emporium and I've not enough gold at the moment))
Currently using Qunari with Battlemaster and wanting to use Reaver once that happens, it's gonna be that way even late game. Two handed would do well with both when built well.
Shame I don't like Champion because 1. it's boring to play, and 2. I don't like Blackwall, and I only bring characters I like in my party.
My preferred warrior build is actually Templar. Playing through the game again with a two handsd Templar and Iron Bull sharing tanking duties (Sera is my rogue and Dorian is my mage because fuck Solas and Vivvian). Staying alive was difficult at first, but after Iron Bull got Horn of Valor and I got my speciization (and a ring that grants barrier), we're unkillable. It's freaking fun and I predict it'll only get better as we get guard generating equipment. I really don't care if it isn't the best warrior class, Templar is the most fun to play, and that's what matters most to me.
How can you not like Blackwall?
dude, who gives a shit
~Necroposting~
Author should at least specify what game version he uses. Because mages with and without trespasser dlc are completely different beasts as they get pact belts, t3 mage sword schematic and ring of doubt and they get all of that as soon as they reach skyhold
I'm trying a close range tempest archer for the fun of it.
Exploding shot
Throwing knives
Toxic cloud for evasiveness
The graple skill to jump in the group
Flask of fire to spam daggers or exploding shots
Using the EE bow with the bomb arrows
Then some hidden blade proc. FT material
Never played a mage in any game, always a warrior (or battlemage) and rogues, but this time, in DAI I chose to be a mage, try the rift thingy, and here I stumble upon your video.... and now I'm developping tactics to bear my inquisitor hahaha. Thinking of going with Sera, Iron Bull & Blackwall, that way my mage can just chill behind hahaha
Knight Enchanter is my Inquisitor on Nightmare with trials and he doesn't need any potions etc, he is usually only one living, so honestly I have a team just for roleplay, but the guy is unkillable from level 10... I think you have not used right skillsfor KE :) As for the rift mage, it's god tier for mobs at the late levels, as you just have infinite mana and basically no cooldowns if you spec him right. You really should put them higher :)
KE is not only the best, it is perhaps the most fun as well! Reaver as well, that is fun
Personally I think that Rift Mage should be God Tier late game for general enemies, because even in the FB, against the massive jaws of hakkon guys with the hammers, you can suck them all in, attack somebody 2 times with your main attack, have full stamina, and continue to use moves like Winters Grasp, Immolate, Chain lightning, and stone fist (which can be used after WG to do a shatter combo all by yourself), and you almost never run out of mana. EVEN IF YOU DO, you just suck everyone in again and repeat the process. That is, if anybody is still alive after being blasted with every type of elemental damage in the game.
Completely agree. I've completed the game as both a rogue and a warrior but never as a mage. While their aesthetic is cool I could never get over the fact that I felt like I wasn't doing significant damage and that lowered my enjoyment of the gameplay immeasurably.
Play knight enchanter mage with the staff blade its really fun. It helped me easy into the mage alot since i only ever play rogue or warrior classes in games.
Lower the difficulty and don't go for perfect builds. Just do what is most fun gameplay-wise. The strongest builds in this game can be quite boring to play. Artificer, for example, can easily just spam elemental mines because every time you cast those things you get your stamina back and reset the cooldown. It does a lot of damage but it's boring. Just pick skills you like and play on normal or hard. Don't use the best armour and the game is still challenging but more fun than simply using the strongest possible builds.
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Hi, StarFlorge! Hope, you're doing fine)
Agree with all of this. Video is great.
Anulya Hey, I'm doing well thanks, bit stressed with work xD glad you enjoyed the video.
Saw this video and my first ever spec became champion. I was very surprised how unkillable it really is. Ive underestimated it quite a bit.
On top of that I am playing with shield.
I guess its overkill of a survivability
Artifice Rogue is broke af. Flew through the game. So much fun. I felt it had amazing survivability early because I was able to craft with the guard on hit.
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Thanks man! You really cleared up alot of my confusion :)
Strange, everything says Knight Enchanter is OP, insane damage and virtually immortal, but it isn't god tier at any point. I don't know what to make of it...
Enchanter is unkillable i agree but damage is weak. Necro>rift>enchanter if we are talking about damage.
Great vid. What's your favorite class and spec
Malzek my favorite class is mage with the rift mage spec. But I must say my favorite single spec is Reaver. If that makes sense lol
StarFlorge I did. I remember seeing you play a rift mage with no crafted gear if I'm not mistaken. Are you going to do a play through with the reaver spec? My favorite is the knight enachter.
Malzek I still need to finish the rift mage play though, so hard to find the time. I might do a Reaver play though after it now you bring it up, seems like a fun idea.
StarFlorge I thought you finish the rift mage play through. I'm looking forward to seeing your next video/play through.
your KE rating is so weird. How are you playing your KE?
Literally got nerfed for being too good, and it's still a beast. Can't die, permastun mobs with launches, freezes, whatever you like. The freaking dodge ability deals damage like WTF.
Yeah you don't crit bosses to death, but no dragon can kill you beyond lvl 15. What am I missing?
I will say though Tempest and Assassin are in their own league. Literally 1 cycle dragons with the right builds.
Warriors are strong but kinda boring. Reminds me of soldier in mass effect. Do your initial skills, right click to victory. Does the job though, so can't be mad.
Game is remarkably well balanced I must say. Apart from Rogues just making you wonder why you play anything else.
This tier list doesn't make much sense. If it was for damage only I would have agreed. Mages are bottom tier, rogues are top and warriors vary, no question there. But when survivability is on the line, this list is upside down and even contradicting itself. In early-mob game champion is god tier because he can't die, but knight enchanter with a survival build that also can't die must be tier 2... i mean... what? The mages have the best survivability abilities in the game, even better than that of rogues/warriors(though, true, after a certain point it no longer matters). It just sounds so biased toward making the mages look bad... In the previous games Rogues have always been the top DPS, Mages the top Tanks and warriors somewhere in the "middle". Inquisition is no different.
The best DPS :
1st Artificer (arrow or mine both are crazy)
2nd tempest (burst damage)
3rd reaver and assassin
The best tank :
1st Champion (Impossible to die)
2nd KE (impossible to die, with dps and support)
3rd Templar (can be immune to magic)
The best support :
1st KE (can heal, can revive, has great CC, has the strongest and longest barrier)
2nd Templar (increase attack of team, horn of valor, increas element resistance)
3rd artificer (increase crit, ilusive poison)
The best CC :
1. Rift mage (unlimited mana & spell)
2. Necromancer (walking bomb one of the strongest best skill in the game)
3. KE (not as good as necro or Rift but can do it well)
4. Artificer (only mine type, with mine art can be great CC)
Best overall (DPS + Tankiness + Support + CC combine) :
1. KE (2nd best tank, best support, 3rd best CC, better DPS than champ and templar)
2. Artifier (best DPS, 3rd best support, 4th best CC with mine)
3. Champion, Templar, Tempest and Rift
These 4 are pretty equal IMHO.. (these 4 are great at what they are doing DPS/taNking/CC)
4. Necro
(Fun to play, have walking bomb, but low mana)
5. Assassin
(Burst damage, great against boss, but thats it)
Personally, Reaver is kinda OP starting from level 16 - I started suddenly to not even struggle with the game during my first playthrough and I was playing Nightmare first playthrough. At level 16 I was killing nearly solo dragons above me (nearly because I just let my party to their own devices and denied them using potions so they died within half a minute and I just slaughtered the Dragon alone without any issues. I would be full HP and Guard nearly all the time if it werent for my own damage to myself) - I would say Reaver is God tier already mid game.
For late game mages build must be god tier! Every thing else is Just one shooting and kill all the fun and challange!
The game is on special and I'm currently downloading it. Your 2 last pulled me away from mage and it sucks because I read that an elven mage can get the most from the story. Kinda want to play human reaver :/ and no I'm not the type to play all over again. I like to finish the game 100% one time
its debaitible what gets the 'most' out of the story
just like the companions there are ppl who love Sera and some ppl who hate her
some for biased reasons both sides tend to be toxic as shit.
I think you overestimate the importance of Tempest Survivability, with a bow you will far from the enemy and not even taking damage for like, 95% of the time, and even with dagger you will be flanking all the time, you'd eventually get smacked so like, frost flask can be useful for 50% of the time but even then... Artificer simply brings so much more to the table, and it doesn't even have downtime, tempest's damage dies after fire flask
And about enemies aiming at you, just give warcry to your warrior, also artificer can benefit from the leap and shot mobility and the dash way more than tempest, cause if tempest waste time on fire flask doing those things it loses a lot of damage
i think all of the mages should be at least tear 1 in the early game since they give you barriers and can use fire mine
After playing the game solo with every class no crafting I agree. I will have to make 2 new tier lists, 1 for Crafting 1 for no crafting cause it changes the game so much!
I do 20k damage with my Knight Enchanter, with fire mines.
I genuinely only played Rogue in two playthroughs and both times I never really understood the game like i never did my own specialization lol my first was with the bow and my second was with daggers, looking back on it I can't believe I beat the game twice while being just rogue
It’s like this guy dosnt know that knight enchanter/fire mage can literally kill a dragon in under 2 minutes with a few fire mines... I’m about to start my 6th play through and every time I have played I have decimated as a mage.
Meanwhile, warriors and rogues can kill a dragon in 20-30 seconds ...
@@filipefiusa4752 13 seconds is good enough for artificer.
I find your logic a little confusing. You put the champion in god tier on the basis that it can't die, which is true. However, you put knight enchanter at tier 2, however, the KE has the same survivability and can dish more damage than the champion to mobs. For bosses/dragons, both classes are similar in power, though the champion has an edge in the ability - To the Death(En Garde).
IN short, if you put champion in god-tier based the fact that they are unkillable, by the same logic then knight-enchanters should be in the same category.
champion has actually invulnerability and can't be stunned to death the same way a knight enchanter can be on the higher difficultied. It's damage is pretty weak tbh like all mage specs relative to the other two classes.
Champion is best because the AI makes him unkillable so you can still play all the other classes too while your own char goes about its business. If you make a Rogue you have to micromanage him because the game seems bugged and intent on killing Rogues in one shot. Mages require too much end game gear to be autonomous
Here is my tier list
1) Reaver, artificer- who cares about survival I can just one shot all bosses
2) Champion, knight enchanter- just take Vivian with sword, on ultra boss goes bye bye
3) Assassin, All mages- huge aoe that murders dragons with aoe
Damn, mages have it hard... Now I need someone to make a Katy Perry parody song. "It's hard, it's hard, it's hard out here for a WITCH". xD
That's pretty much it with mages, they have a lot of AoE damage, but their main intended function is control and support. As soon as you're faced with an enemy that's immune to controlling effects, you're forced to dance around then and barrier yourself and your party members while THEY take the enemy down. Elemental immunities in higher difficulties only complicate matters even more, to the point that my "challenge junkie" playthrough was anneurism inducing... T T
They have for sure but then they do have a ton of CC but yeah immune to cc and you are in trouble. but overall agree with what you said 100%
Isn't it a bit spectacular how mages went from being overpowered in DA:O to being the most kinda "meh" in DA:I? xD It's almost karmic.
Yeah but that happens in many games, think of world of Warcraft. One patch a class is top the next they bottom.
Lol rift mages take more time than rogues to destroy things but it's in a funnier way and if you play good you can always escape a bad situation
I learn more and more each day. Thank u for explaining that to me
Glad you're enjoying my content and learning
Last i checked, Fire Necros have WAY more damage than rift mages since Necro got a huge buff. Damage wise for mages, Necro is #1 and Rift is either last or if well played tied for #2 with KE.
Ander Yanguas C I know Necro have slightly better damage than rift mage in some scenarios, however the reason I put rift mage above against general mobs is the cc rift mages get. All 3 spells are hard cc which brings it above Necro for me. Glad to hear people still love Necro as it was my very first spec on this game :D
I mean i understand the cc from Rift, it's amazing, i do however still feel necro isnt slightly more damaging but WAY more damaging than rift and overall is more effective than rift in both mob scenario or boss scenario since Rift's damage and usefullness come down by a lot when fighting dragons or bosses immune to CC, while Necro can still pop a shit ton of damage vs mob or bosses.
you point out that the main downside is v bosses and dragons which i put down as tier 3, but against general mobs played right Rift mage is far better. I based this of nightmare with trials where with a mage you wont be one shotting anything xD Rift mage cc, the ability to pull off combos such as shatter and infinite mana all adds up to be better. I've played both rift mage and necro the most in this game and rift is really really powerful. I could in the future just make a straight damage comparison or time to kill video XD one question I have is have you played rift mage and necro both on nightmare trials? - not trying to take a dig just actually wondering, im not grate at wording everything :D
StarFlorge only necro with trials, ive tried rift but not on nm woth trials
I used to think necro was on top, but after playing infinite mana rift mage honestly it's insane. You have 100% uptime on damage and cc - you can practically have perm blizzard for free. when you put all the rift mage spell effects + their over powered passives they jump above necro. At the end of the day though this is my opinion and I always say play what you prefer and find more fun.
It's good to be a Champion.
KE + Fade Touched Silverite + fire mine spray everything turns to ash if not tou have immolate and fade cloak I believe all 3 AOE all 3 completely devastating.
in a way, im happy you're making DAI videos. this game is like what, 5 years old lol also do you have any videos on best armor for each class or build-setup? I do lots of damage at level 20 but i die way too fast even from lower levels.
Chaotic_Mayhem Still love this game xD soon I might be making videos on other games but won't stop making dragon age video. I will have gear related videos over the next few weeks :)
awesome! imma subscribe! cant wait for the video. But im looking for specific defenses with crafting such as how much melee defense for X class and armor and health value. Also defenses against poison because those little fuckers (spiders in Frostback Basin) do so much damage at long range lol
Chaotic_Mayhem Thanks! Glad to have you subed. Uploading about every weekend so u know when to expect a video. But a quick tip with building, I normally go full damage and health builds while putting a focus on guard or barrier for survival - works really well for me :D
StarFlorge awesome! Thanks. Gotta adjust my builds still. DAI is my first RPG with complex builds, so it's taking me a while to understand proper building. I'm barely on my 2nd playthrough since I didn't know Trespasser would end everything .-. But I plan on making about 3 more playthroughs with different difficulty, class/race, and even a solo run.
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There is mod where templar abilities apply to all enemies. Makes it better spec I think.
Playing a dw artificer...it's not the fastest but the mobility and the utility is very very fun indeed. Trow mines throw skirmish spike move back repeat.
Get an abyss fade touched on your gear and watch the aoe shred, one hidden blades and one restore stam on kill...
It ain't a stealthkillstealthkillstealthkill assassin but I enjoy it a lot.
Ranged enemies? Just chain yourself you don't even need to upgrade it as it'll refresh.
Pre nerf knight enchanter was god tier always.... rip KE.
The majority of mob tiers could've just been 1-3 tiers with god tier excluded.
idk if u've played a late game champion, against bosses is the highest dmg i've seen in the game with a single hit. i can promise you that a late game challenge champion is 100% god tier.
hey man, which has more dps potential and relevance during different stages of the game assassin dw or assassin bow? cheers
Early game they are very even, but maybe bow as its easier to not die but late game dw 100%
thanks for the response mate
im watching this after years of playing DAI and will need to say champion is the god of gods. revere hits like a truck but a truck is noting to a mountain of bs. plus to the death will out damage any class if you go over 30 seconds.
Heii starflorge great video. I aggree with you info. Can hear you spend alot of time research it. Love it. Keep up the good work, seeker of DA:I. :-)
Awesome to hear you agree, I'll keep it up as always :D
StarFlorge forgor to say . Still love the Intro .
Funny enough my dw assassin was one shotting with twin fangs from level 4 to level 17 (with golden nug and a wealthy previous inky buying coiled strike for him). Mobs were literally boring as one shot stealth one shot stealth
Also isn’t dps the requirement for knight enchanter’s survivability? Spam fire mine and five figure aoe every 4 seconds
Would really like a new video seeing as some stuff like the thousand cuts spam of the Tempest was patched.
Putting Rift AND Necromancy in tier 3 ? You’re crazy
I dunno man. I have a tempest dagger rogue that doesn't die... at all... solo. Only lvl 12, but I have amulet of barrier from Fiona equipped and 3 guard on hit on my armor. Flask of fire and throwing knives... im sure you can see the possibilities.
TL:DR I think tempest deserves god tier
Kinda accurate. Overall Warriors and Rogues are much better than Mages. I need motivations to play Mages 😂
My god level dwarf 2h champion could never die
Pure fire Rift mage late game is a walking nuke especially if you add crit damage and crit chance to gear. Ive obliterated dragons with the ludicrous amounts of danage i can obtain using immolate and fire mine 😂
Excuse me? Knight enchanter does INSANE damage, especially against general mobs. Barrier+chaotic focus+fire mine with flaming array murders literally everything. Top it with immolate and the other passives, and you'll be dishing out crazy damage and surviving the hardest hits. I can't fathom why KE is placed so low the entire time. Even with the nerfs it's easily still god tier
Exactly bro if you build well a Knight enchanter you don't die you can spam barrier all the time to your friends and as long as you keep attacking your barrier will always BE full , Knight enchanter is better than champion imo This guy didn't play a lot,i only got the nightmare difficulty trophy because of vivienne not Blackwall
So my mage playthrough is going to be *slightly* harder. Can't wait for the Halamshiral mission.
More like a lot harder xD
A well built Templar with good gear is very good. Much better than a Reaver and not as much cheese as a champion. Its Tier 1.
6:40 wait whaat Artifier was a lot of survivability
Nexromancers have insane dps with walking bomb don’t know what your talking about.
So I am a Rift Mage.. And Blackwall is my Tank... Late game: If I were to pick 2 chars out of Varric/Sera/Ironbull set who would be the 2 you would recommend (I am skipping Cole on purpose)?
I would maybe say Varric and Sera. Ironbull is known to do funny things as an AI. Your rift mage which does a lot of utility like CC and can run barrier. So having 2 rogues could work out really well :)
Whilst reaver is amazing, it's not that great when controlled by AI, so that's the main reason for no Ironbull.
You want your protagonist as your main damage carry, then one warrior support, one mage support and one rogue support. Yes. Rogue support with poison cloud stacking a buff that makes you harder to hit/negate an enemy hit.
Mage might not eb the strongest class but I'll be damned if I dont have way more fun playing one, especially rift mage
Knight Enchanter should be god tier in all game stages dude. That sht is OP af.
My only complaint is that I guess you don't understand knight enchanter very well because knight enchanter can solo over leveled dragons and i was playing i think on nighrmare or the one below it my shield never went away and it did amazing damage
Every time I do the Boss/Dragon, KE performs the best out of all the mages, the only reason it is so low, is cause well mage is just nothing near what rogue and warrior can do, at all. KE is by far the best mage spec for bosses and dragons, as the video points out :)
The question is really are mages as good as the other classes and its pretty much a flat no.
Love it