Kohler Filters: Watch This BEFORE You Buy a Kohler Oil Filter At a Big Box Store!
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Some time ago Bob the Oil Guy did a cut open review of several oil filters. The one thing that was discovered with the Fram was the fact they were using CARDBOARD end caps. I do not know if is still the material used, but, it proved that Fram will cut any corner it can in the construction of their filters and I have NEVER even considered or bought the Fram pieces of shit - EVER....
I have two Kohler engines and have always used Fram PH3614 filters for 30 years and never had a problem with the filter or the engine.
Thank you for this resource & knowledge! I have a leftover (new) Fram TG3614 which was going to be used on a car that is now dead. Will plan to repurpose to my XT1 LT50 this spring!!!
I use the PH3614 on several of my Kohler Command and 7000 series engines, Miller welder with Kohler Command and also a Ford Fusion. No problems for 15 or so years.
Something that is important to keep in mind, if you cut open a variety of oil filters you quickly find out that the size of the outside can doesn't tell you anything about the size of the filter inside it. Personally I use aftermarket filters anytime I can, most of them are at least as good as the OEM filters. Kohler, Briggs & Stratton, John Deere, etc, DO NOT make their own filters, they buy them from a manufacturer who puts their name on them.
I just did this today. Was searching for alternative to the Kohler filter and found the STP S3614 in a cross reference online. Bought it and 2 qts of 5W-30 STP Full Synthetic for my Kohler 7000 series 22hp. I went 5W instead of 10W because it turns over very slow in cold and thinner oil at startup made it a bit easier after the oil change. Still a 30W at operating temp. Seems to run great and the filter fits perfectly. I paid under $5 for mine and the full oil change was just under $20 with full synethetic oil.
works on my 27HP kohler -- Oil changes and oil flow -- something I believe in. Over the years everything I have STILL RUNS and does not SMOKE! :)
Agreed. The length of a small engine's life is directly tied to fresh oil. If you don't change the oil regularly, you'll be changing the engine regularly hahaha .
FYI STP regular filters and Walmart's "Super Tech" oil filters are the exact same filter. They are called E-Core filters. You can also use Motorcraft filters which translate to the FL910s.
the best way to check if those filters are the same quality would be to cut them open...see what the internals are really made of. I only use Wix anymore...
I been using the ST3614. It’s Walmart brand. No issues in 5 years.
Good video. Any brand of 3614 equivalent will work. Lots of choice out there. And I doubt that Kohler makes their own filters. Most companies just rebrand from an actual filter manufacturer.
I Use ST3600 or PH3600. It is much longer and has more surface area/filter media. The length/height also allows the oil a better opportunity to cool. Also the 3600 is a very common filter, so easy to find.
Thanks was just looking for a bigger filter cross and you win....Thanks!!
Replace the PH with an XG and you have a filter worth using.
An oil filter is the last place you want to go cheep on.
I don't know about these particular filters but when you switch to a different filter you have to make sure that the pressure spring inside the filters the same cuz there's like 9 pounds 7 lb and that'll make a big difference if you put a filter with the wrong pressure will not let it flow
I take it you're talking about the bypass valve which shouldn't be an issue unless you don't change the filter often enough and let it get clogged and/or you're not using the proper winter weight oil for cold temp operation.
Supertech (Walmart in stock) as ST 3614 for under $4. Same exact size, same thread. Peer in through the threaded hole on the ST 3614 vs the 52-050-012 and you'll notice the exact same metal grid pattern holding back the same looking paper media. (ST 3614 is the knock off to Fram 3614 BTW). Enjoy and keep posting tip$ my friends...we're all in this together.
Thanks for this info!!!..was wondering if the T in ST3614 made a difference lol. First time changing my lawn mower oil n filter. I'm gonna get their SAE 10W-30 5qt oil as well.
Thanks ! NOTICE: I was told by the dealer where I bought my XT2 Enduro Cub Cadet yard tractor, 26 horse, Twin....I must use the Kohler brand while the tractor is under warranty to be in compliance.
Jim Dep wasn't told that when we bought our ltx 1040 but the wix cost bout the same
How will they ever know? Just put the Kohler filter on before you have it serviced ;) 😂
Good, useful information.
I would also recommend cross-referencing to WIX filters. They actually make the filters for numerous labels as well as their own brand. I just found out that WIX is sold at O'Reilly's Auto Parts. I will only use WIX or Purolator.
Wix and Purolator are made by Mann Hummel. They’re the best you can get.
WIX filter at oreillys is $25.00.
Kohler usually uses the same manufacturer as stp. Champ labs.
Purolator
The kohler 7000 series 24 hp will take a Walmart super tech st3614, which is $2.84 and works the same!
You got to love Wally world lol Thanks
That’s what I put on my Briggs. It’s a little bigger. But it works fine. I mean if it’s rated for a car’s engine. It should be fine for your lawn mower. But I have clearance to use in my situation.
I have 1100 hours on a Koehler Command, using nothing but Walmart filters since the first oil change.
Bingo I use that also, Motocraft has a match if you wanna spend an extra dollar and feel smug
@@springfield03sniper hi there, what type of oil do you use. I have a kohler 22hp 7000 series and I use Castrol edge full synthetic
I use Bosch Premium filters. Twice the price as the STP, but it's only $8. Still less than the crappy OEM Kohler. Worth the investment once a season for a better-performing filter. JMO
NAPA Platinum made by WIX is by far the best filter on the market and far better than STP and is usually $1more than the NAPA Gold! Measure the thread on the bottom of your
original filter. Go to your NAPA store early in the morning and order the Platinum if you must. It will be there the next day. Order a longer filter if you can. You will be effectively doubling the filter element area and using the best quality filter. Also, Kohler's and Kawaski's recommended oil is a synthetic blend. However, synthetic blends can be only 20% synthetic. I use full synthetic Royal Purple with zinc. I own a commercial onion farm with all sorts of tractors, trucks, and machinery. I have owned three Kohler-powered Cub Cadets. I used to do engine jobs, at least once a year with full Mobile One synthetic and NAPA Gold filters. Since I switched to Royal Purple with zinc and NAPA Platinum nothing has broken period. The 750 hr Kohler Courage is now up to 2250hrs. It still burns clean. Use full synthetic grease too. Valvoline is the best as some others will separate while in the cartridge into oil and grease. Since Valvoline, out of hundreds of greaseable bearings, none has died. With regular grease, my bearing pullers were essential tools. Now they are in the bottom drawer of my tool rack. This is a great video. Forgive me for trying to expand on it. I just had to let you folks know. Machinery costs have skyrocketed. This is a way to make them last. Oh, and keep your air and fuel filters clean.
Great info. The local Tractor Supply has both medium and large Kohler filters and they are both between $9 & $10, same price (wierd). But it's great to know that you can buy a regular automobile filter cheaper. Most likely the automobile filter will be a much better product. I have a Cub 54in tractor with a 26hp Kohler and aTroy-Bilt ZTR with a 25hp Kohler and just spent $20 on filters alone. Thank you so much, you just saved me about $10-$15 dollars on my next oil changes. And thanks to justin knuebel for a great conversion chart. It's great to have choices.
I found a cross reference site once, and the automotive filters had nearly the same specs as small engine filters. The components, and functionality were identical.
THEY AREN'T 9.00 & 10.00 at local tractor supply any more, THEY ARE NOW 17.99 at tractor supply,
I couldn't buy them, 24.00 for amsoil oil and 17.99 for oil filter would push a oil change on my LAWNMOWER to around 45.00 not including air filter or gas filter, THAT'S CRAZY
along with 13.00 to fill it up with high performance gas 😃😃
Now I just need to know about spark plug
Only thing I would do different is use oil specifically for small engines
Higher zinc content is better for small engine and it isn't THAT much more expensive
Guess who isn't buying a kohler filter now. I have a Troy Bilt Bronco with a k5400 series 19hp and it has this filter but the larger size from factory and I have been going nuts for an hour looking for one. When I could have gone to autozone and back and changed the oil in that time.
Definitely the best video I've seen all week thank you so much you're going to save me so much money every year
Wal-mart SuperTech 3614 works fine, it's $3.00.
I wonder if is wise to use the Kohler until at least the warranty expires?
Nice video. I used to work for AutoZone for a number of years and it was very common for people to come in and buy a cheaper car filter for the lawn mower. They can also cross reference part number to your Kohler or John Deere filter to an equivalent STP or Wix or whatever filter. It's not a big deal, those filters take a lot less abuse in a mower for 100 hours than a car for 5 or 6 thousand miles.
Couldn't agree more!
Wix is far better choice than Fram too
The thread and gasket size also cross over to a fram/stp/Supertech 3600 or a wix/microguard/napa 51516 or 1516.
Good info. Thanks Matt!
And that is even longer correct?
On my 24hp you can swap to the larger air filter if you buy a new $15 cover off amazon
Just bought a new Bad Boy with a KT740 Kohler 25hp. It came with that medium filter on the motor from the factory.
Just a note to Kohler owners. The size of the filter does enter into the price or quality of the filter. Do your research. What matters is the micron size of the paper portion of the filter. Smaller microns does a superior job of filtering out any contaminants that may damage your engine.
I agree to a point. Size matters in terms of surface area for the pleats, most would call that a quality/lifetime feature. Not to mention it equates to lower static pressure for the oil pump.
There is a tradeoff between oil filtration vs oil flow where a filter can theoretically filter particles of sub-micron size, but, the oil FLOW will be reduced considerably = probable engine damage due to insufficient oil flow.... At least through the warranty period it would be wise to use the OEM maintenance parts and then AFTER warranty, use a quality - name brand filter.... I would NOT want to give the engine manufacturer ANY reasons/EXCUSES to deny a claim by using sub-standard parts....
been using supertech with motorcraft filters for 10 years and no issues, save your money
Fram equivalents: PH8172 for the short version. PH7575 for the long version.
I discovered my 1996 Miata uses same filter as my 17.5 Kohler.
I switched over to WIX 51394 on my 21 hp Kawasaki, 5.00 on eBay. Wix quality. The Kawasaki filter was over 12 dollars at home depot.
If you want a filter with excellent history try wix and purelator sorry bad speller these filters will hand down make a difference I’ve been using them almost my entire career as a industrial mech I hope this helps
I think there is something special about those Kohler oil filters kohlers name is on them
lol.
We just experienced this and installed the shorter one not realizing it and what a mess when it blew off. Phram 7575 works on the XT1 and was crossed referenced at O’Reillys for under $5.00.
Thanks for the info I knew there was a better alternative to those over priced filters.
The mower companies are like HD. Want your $$$$$.
Not a big fan of manufacture filters: If you want high quality filter and willing to spend a little more (I mean you spent $3,000 on a mower, why not invest in descent maintenance). I use a Amsoil oil Filter for the Very Same Engine (Part # Ea 15 K 53 or EA15K53). 10x the filter as these two mentioned above. Also run 10W30 Amsoil small engine in it. $15.45 for nonmember $11.50 for members for the oil filter). Sometimes you get what you pay for (and sometimes you don't with these manufacturer filters). All the Best. Thanks for the video!
Just wanted to say thanks I did this on my kohler 7000 24 hp going to try it on another mower I have saved me lota
Wix 51348 fits my kohler 17.5 and my B & S 16.5 v-twin. $8.99 at O'reillys. Also 1348 NAPA Gold. It is a large capacity filter.
I can buy 3 Toyota filters for the price of 1 for my Tecumseh and it is a little longer
My 13 hp Kohler Command took the same filter as a Chrysler 318 v8.
There's a big difference in quality of oil filters, and it usually reflects the price. Stay away from cheap oil filters people. Cut them open and see for yourself.
The next time you're in the store where lawn equipment is sold, hold the factory air filters up to the knock off brands like 'Arnold' and you can really see the big difference in quality. Oil filters are no different.
While there are some cheap filters out there really if you using quality oil and changing your oil on a regular basis the chances of a failure even with a cheap filter are slim to none. Now if your using an improper cross yes quality or cheap your increasing your chances. If your attempting to go for extended periods of time you should use an OEM or at least a quality cross!
I totally agree I use fram oil filters on all my mowers and save a ton of money and never had an engine failure with over 5000 hours.
bI've seen two videos on youtube where the top of a Fram oil filter was cut open to reveal the contents. Fram was the worst! It had rust on the inside, etc. If i knew how to link the video, I would because i really want you to see how much of a difference that is hidden from the outside.
@@melissao5673 I haven't had a failure ever so I trust those Fram oil filters
@@melissao5673 To link video simply go to "share" underneath video -click then copy and paste
I agree. Everyone is knocking the Fram filters but I have used hundreds of them with zero problems. Change regularly and you will not have a problem and you will save plenty.
@@Greg-wn2ppagreed + who doesn't like the textured grip on the top?
I use the Royal Purple oil filter, 10-2835, it is 1/2 larger than a 5205002S, and a lot better than the OEM oil filter..........
Michael Butler when it comes to small engines,,, bigger is not better. The more oil in your filter means less oil in your engine which cud b catastrophic.Dont trust these weekend mechanics.
The inside of the filter is what matters,, not the can. Different brands use different filtering materials and numbers of layers.
Agreed. Thanks very much for watching!
A 3600 is taller than a 3614, a ford v8 80's filter is that, but larger diameter
Any time it says Kolher on the box ..youll be paying more for it
Yup, blister packs for retail add like 4 bucks alone
I just bought 6 of them off EBay for $3 each.
Been using a Motorcraft FL910s in my Courage 19 for 3 years
Yep. And those are the same motorcraft filters that are called for on my wife's 2016 2.0 ecoboost fusion. So I use that motorcraft filter on my Toro Timecutter 24.5HP v twin zero turn Toro motor. Great filter. I was using the blue STP filter S3614 before I realized that the motorcraft FL-910s I use for the Fusion is exact match up as the blue STP filter.
Smaller engine oil filters mount vertically, larger KOHLER engines mount horizontally
The large Kohler filter is the same part number as the Ford escape
Cool, I have both
And 05 Chrysler Sebring
*ENGLAND* I cross referenced a US branded filter, to find an alternative filter (OEM Kohler 12 050 01) i can put on my Kohler Courage 19hp sv590 here in England. A came up with a Crosland L10180PS filter which is used on a 2004 Mazda 3 2.0 Petrol. The thread is the same at 3/4 inch, and the diameter of the rubber seal is about 1-2mm larger which hasn't created any issues, the filter itself has a slightly larger volume, which isn't an issue for me but could be if you had a much smaller engine with this filter type. So far i'm very happy as this filter only cost me £3.90 from Halfords as i got it price matched with Euro Car Parts. Let me know if this is of any help.
Anyone had any thread issues of the filters not matching? I used the S3512 when it was new as one of the filters I bought had the wrong threads.
Motor craft fl-400s works as well, but only on tractors most zero turns I’ve seen don’t have enough clearance.
Motorcraft fl910S is what i use on my Cub cadet rzt 7000 series 24 hp
@@danielpadgett2831where do you get it? Was just at Wal-Mart and they didn't have the FL910s but they had the 400s
I put a biger k&n oil filter on my Kohler coand ch22 alot longer than a Kohler one
5 years later STP has 2x price and Kohler added ~$5 (~30% more)... Not sure you can simply chock that up to inflation. (ok some random inflation website says the kohler filter should be higher. but the STP should be $4 not $7. so i guess good on kohler for shrinking their margins a tiny bit? lol i don't know!)
Agreed. Bottom line, some things never change like: we're all getting f&%$^% in every direction possible lol.
Lol I rebuild about 4 to 5 commercial kohler engines a year and service about 50+ a year I have never in my life bought a kohler filter, I use the wix that crosses to the 3614 filter. And fyi the 3614 filter is used on many automotive engines up to 4.0l displacement
My 2010 Tacoma uses a 3614 filter.
I have used Fram filters it's whole life, NEVER had a problem! 131k miles on the engine, smooth as butter. Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 5w-30 oil as well.
This is what I was looking for. Thanks!
You need to be very careful because not all aftermarket oil filters have a bypass valve like the OEM ones, if the aftermarket doesn't and the filter gets blocked, it'll starve the engine of oil and you'll be buying an engine over saving a few dollars for getting an aftermarket instead of an OEM. You will also want to make sure your aftermarket has a anti drain valve. The OEM filters have both. Not saying aftermarket filters are bad to use, but make sure your aftermarket has both. It could cost you a lot more than an OEM filter. The filters may look identical on the outside, the inside is what counts.
Don McCabe III I agree
Most automotive filters have a bypass too. If you go to a decent auto parts store (O'Reilly!?!) the counter guy can find the right one for you.
Good video I like the way you think. I just purchased a mower with the 22hp and I am going to cross reference to see if I can standardize my filter inventory
Thank you sir and good luck!
Different brands at different prices usually made at the same factory since the producers don't have their own factory just for filters. The local small machines repair shop charges 40!! dollars for an oil filter to my Husqvarna LT151 here in Norway.
Napa 21348mp fits All Kohler and Kawasaki and Briggs nuff said
My kohler courage 19 hp engine had from new the oil filter # 12 050 02 on it, when i ordered the same number filter via online source I got it the small size that was much smaller in H the dia was the same, obviously they must have stopped producing the larger one. I even ordered after market that claimed they were the larger. “Not” every filter I purchased or found with the number on my original factory equipped filter were wrong.
I Will give the S 3614 a look from autozone btw now $5.99 but still cheaper. 1/2 the price.
I looked at cross reference charts and I did not find the S3614 matching a kohler engine anyplace. Thanks
I'm not out to save money on an oil filter. You don't change oil often enough to worry about price (unless maybe you own a landscaping service). I want the BEST filter. You can't tell anything from the outside. What matters is the material and surface area of the filtering part inside.
Well, they way I see it is if it's good enough for a $8,000 engine in my car I figure it's good enough for the $400 engine in my mower.
Trial N' ERROR so you going to risk a $400 engine behind a $3 filter if you can afford a $2800-3000 homeowner zero turn you can afford a $12 dollar filter come on ppl get real
You should cut them open for a comparison , on another video they cut open four different filters, the more expensive genuine parts filter was made much better. You can't tell much by just looking at them, you need to cut them open.
Bingo, best answer yet. @@Trialnerror
3512 is exact S 3512 stp etc is the small one 3614 is medium one 3600 largest PH is Fram S is STP
Full synthetic isn't a "synthetic" blend!
It kind of is, the dirty industry secret is that most "full synthetic" starts as group 3 dino base stock. Hydro cracked and refined.
I always have been told WIX makes many brands of filters and are the best ones. I would love to know who makes the STP brand. OH,, OK,, Champ Labs from comment below! Why SYNTHETIC OIL? My Koehler Command 16hp takes SAE 30 . And yes.. at Auto Zone its the lowest price at 3.99/qt. Why buy 5 qts of oil when the engine like mine only takes 2 qts. ? NAPA filters are made by WIX from what I was told.
Just use a Motorcraft FL400S on any small engine no matter the brand. They're longer, cheaper, higher quality and more efficient.
Kohler Filters are made by Purolator just a FYI
How do you like your lawnmower?
You saved the day. Thanks!
My son has a 37 horse, Briggs & Stratton, vanguard engine, and I was wondering what cross references from the 842921 oil filter to something else I have a bunch of color that I bought from Jay Thomas when I had a different mower with a Kohler on it
I pray god, FRAM doesn't make the STP filter. LOL Cross reference for WIX. Liked and subscribed. BTW, what's the measured height on that model STP?
napa gold 1361 holds 3/8 quart .. $3.50
Is this filter the same as the ST3614?
I’ve used 3614 but just picked up a 3600, looks like same thread and O-ring size but a little longer.
Must be Metric thread it doesn’t fit
Is correct just larger capacity
Wow! This is wonderful information. Do you know if this filter scenario would be the same for the Kawasaki 850 25 HP engine?
Yes it is though I'm not sure of the part numbers for a Kawi. Hopefully someone knows and will reply. Thanks for watching!
Thanks to you and other commenters, I'll probably save several hundred dollars between the Kohler and the Kawasaki filters now. \
I have a Cub Cadet 20HP, and use a S3614 or equivalent. I got the Carquest $5 filter, R84358. Apparently this size fits 50-60 cars and trucks: everything from the Yugo, Geo Metro, to the brand new Bronco!
Can you do a video for the Kawasaki engines too. I’ve bought my first filter and I’m already tired of it.
Dam i wish i seen this yesterday..Ill be switching from now on
Thank you for sharing, we have a Cub Cadet ZT1 LT46 Model #13APA1CT056 with the Kohler 7000 Series KT-725 engine and the label lists the oil filter KH-12-050-01-S: I need to find a correct alternative brand to save money.
What I am going with is the 3614...3600 also seems to be referred to on Bob Is The Oil Guy...3614 is more widely available and less expensive...suits my needs
I buy the tune-up kit for my kohler command 23's at Tractor Supply for around$50
It comes with 2 qt synthetic oil, oil filter, air filter, fuel filter and 2 spark plugs.
I change everything every 100 hrs.
One of them has 2300 hrs the other only has 300 hrs
2,300 is some hours!
Also cross reference to a Fram PH3614
Probably made on the same assembly line...
KOHLER 12 050 01S - Alternative oil filters.... www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/KOHLER/12%20050%2001S
Personal I only go with NAPA or Wix filters that are made for commercial use.
Well if you have engine failure And your not running kohler stuff they won't warranty your engine. Just fyi
Lookup: Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, passed by Congress in 1975
Thank You Great video
I was charged 19.00 for a oil filter at cub cadet factory store. It will be going back
Don't forget to pick up the Cub Cadet jacket, and hat. ;)
just sayin, the STP S3614 crosses to a Amsoil EA15K51, which is gonna be better than anything walmart or any local parts store carries.
they re the same
God bless it I wished I would have watched this video before I went to HD and dropped 14 bucks on that damn filter.... well I have the numbers written down and won’t do that again!!..... thanks for the information
Anytime buddy. Thanks for watching!
Why oil filters ? I have a 1970 Wheel Horse with 12hp Kohler, no oil filter and still runs fine. Just another expense !
Because full pressure lubrication is needed for engines that make more hp for their size and fuel consumption than your 50 year old 12hp
@TRIAL N' ERROR can you or somebody PLEASE tell me, do these filters work on the Kohler 5400 series engine?? I cant find the original filter ANYWHERE!
Life hack! Jobless leak
Oil so bad that you never have to replace the filter! Just keep adding oil 🤣
With parts you get what you pay for. Stick with factory parts. If you want to save a few bucks and take a chance with cheap filters go ahead.
That's not a factual argument for spending more. OEM's have caused plenty of problems. STP has been making filters like this that go into cars worth $30k for decades. I'll roll the dice that it will be fine in a non pressurized oil system found in $800 lawnmower engines.
On my 23 hp Kohler I use the large yellow Kohler filter. I also use Amsoil.
Bill Hendrickson, how's that Amsoil work for you? I've heard tons of great things but just haven't got around to "testing" it yet. A friend of mine suggested using Motorkote so, I have a 3:1 mix in my walk-behind mower now & it seems to have reduced a slight oil consumption down to none & the engine doesn't seem to labor nearly as hard.
Mr. S.A. Needless to say, I don't know what is going on inside my Kohler engine using Amsoil. I only know that after 400+ hours I am experiencing like new running conditions. I have never added a drop of additional oil between changes. As I said the engine runs great and the oil level has always stayed on the full mark. I also use nothing but premium fuels. It cost a bit more but I get it back on longer running time vs regular fuel. Cub Cadet factory rep recommends using the premium fuel in their product(s).
Bill Hendrickson we have a station in our area that sells 100% gasoline don't know how true that is as I have a buddy that drives a gas truck and he said that he dumps 87 in all the holes he very rarely hauls 93 to any place then I was talking to a lady that is manager of a gas station she said that is a fact most ppl don't know it so I wondered why my 95 cobra mustang which from the factory run on 93 always run like shit on the pump 93 but run like hell on the 115 race fuel it wasn't stock either.
Hi Bill Hendrickson, I also use AMSOIL. And there 15K51 filter works great on my Kohler engines of which I have several.
thanks for the info
Did the oil filters work out no issues
Im at 38 hours on my kohler 7000 engine. Can i switch to synthetic?
I’ve been running my Cub with the 22HP V twin 7000 Kohler engine using Amsoil 10w30 small engine oil (2 quarts) for 3 years now, runs and sounds great. I change it every season along with the filter. I wouldn’t get just any synthetic, be sure to get synthetic specifically made for small engines as they run really hot, many oil manufacturers made synthetic small engine oil.
Will the STP filter work on a CV15S engine?