WinWing Orion Metal Flight Rudder Pedals *REVIEW*
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2024
- Mover reviews the new WinWing Orion Flight Medal Rudder Pedals for PC: winwingsim.com/view/goods-det...
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Dang it Mover! Retired F16 Crew Chief here. I just received my Winwing Orion 2 F16Ex joystick to go along with the Thrustmaster F16 throttle. I agree with the pre-assembled no configuration needed with the throttle. Now THIS, but I need some more rudder pedals my old Logitech ones are binding and worn. Makes flying taildraggers nearly impossible. I had to wait on my Winwing base for the stick due to materials. These pedals look robust enough to last awhile. You just verified that for one once again. Here We Go! 😅 Money spent Thanks to Mover AGAIN! Winwing appreciates you.
Thanks, Mover. Great review and really nice looking pedals. I can only dream of owning such a set. USD328+ (excluding shipping) in my country equals a month's wages. In any event, it's always nice to see new products coming onto the market and receiving a thumbs-up from pros like yourself. Enjoy!
I've got a tailwheel endorsement also. I bet those pedals work great! Good to see the review
Sold, will be buying now instead of the MFD set up.. gotta pass one by the boss and she's gonna say 300 quid instead of a grand! Cheers again for honest review yet again dude
I've been using the exact same TM pedals you had, so it's great to hear a review from someone who's experienced with the same exact thing I've used. I had the same exact troubles with the TM pedals for the P-51. It's bad enough on my set, that I only use the pedals for large control inputs and I just use the trim control for coordination in gentle turns. If I had that kind of money to throw around, I'd buy these pedals. Unfortunately I can't justify $300+ on a luxury purchase right now, but all the WinWing stuff has looked really impressive.
Side note, speaking as someone with very little IRL flight experience, I've found that if you land the DCS P-51 with all three wheels simultaneously it tends to be less bouncy. I make a note of where the horizon line is while I'm on the ground, and try to touch down with that same attitude.
I've just paid my £338.56 to fulfil my order for them, now the anticipation of delivery. Thanks for the upload.
I have the HOTAS Orion throttle and stick for the F 18 from Winwing. I tipped over my flight chair and broke both throttle pedestals. Parts are available and I had 2 new ones in 2 weeks shipped to the Philippines for $50 US. Quite a job to swap out with the fingerlfts, but it all works like new now. It is seriously good engineering.
Of course they release their rudder pedals right after I just upgraded my HOTAS to WinWing from the Thrustmaster Warthog and I recently purchased the Thrustmnaster pendulum rudders as well.
The look great though! They look especially good for Choppers without the 'return to centre' springs installed.
I have the TPR pedals too, but I ordered the winwing pedals because I own the rest of their stuff.
I wonder how they will compare.
Same! Had buyers remorse over getting the $600 Thrustmaster pendulum rudders but there was nothing that was decent in the low or midrange category except for the VKB ones that don't have toe breaks. Already have the winwing orion 2 hotas max set and this would have been perfect :(
@@VirusVanquisher Is their anything we can do to mod the Thrustmaster Pendulum rudder pedals? I was thinking of going to the hardware store to get another two extra strong springs to increase the stiffness.
The pedals are also too high up from the ground as well, at least for my feet and I would like a wooden or plastic U-shape plate to place on the floor in front of them to raise my heels off the ground an inch or two, to meet the bottom of the pedals with the balls of my feet or the middle arch of my feet.
I also don't like that my feet can slip off the side of the pedals, so I was thinking of getting fine sand paper stickers and putting it on the bottom of the pedals.
I know you can buy a damper that fits on the back that stops the bouncing when it returns to centre, but I was hoping for a mod for helecopters so that the rudders just stay in place to better trim helicopter's.
@@British_Dragon-Simulations the TPR pedals are supposed to be very adjustable. I have not played with mine extensively. There are 2 springs on the back that affect the resistance. There is a bolt that might be a way to tighten. Not sure if they offer stronger springs.
@@VirusVanquisher The springs look really simple. They just have hooks on both ends. I'll probable be able to buy some stronger ones and maybe have the stronger ones at the bottom and the default Thrustmaster ones at the top if they fit nicely.
I didn't know about the bolt. I'll have a look and see. Thanks!
Have the Orion2 MAX set that came with F-18 Handles and F-16EX Stick , then upgraded to F-15EX handles and now pre-orderd the WINWING Rudder Pedals , uing the Logitech Rudder Pedals right now . All I can say my DCS flying dramaticaly improved once I start using the WINWING Throttle/Stick setup , and largly where precison flying is requerd , formation flying , refuling . Love the setup and build quality and Im sure the peddals will be very good too.
wish I could have their sim equipment its way to much for me at moment but hey its great to hear from MOVER that its brilliant I definitely put on my bucket list😃
I bought these after watching your review. Cool they can be used for race pedals, mine came with ZERO documentation so I had to pause your video to figure out where the hell everything went
Thanks for letting us know. I hope I will be the same way when I get my order. Best wishes all.
iI'd love these they look awesome. I love Winwing stuff. Almost everything I have is winwing.
I'm looking to grab that dampener for my Virpil pedals. I've mostly been flying helicopters lately, and it would be nice to have a bit of faked pedal hold where I can just move them and have the pedals stick where they are.
Nice to see Winwing getting into the pedal market. I got the Orion throttle about 2 years ago, and I've been loving it, especially with the realistic F/A-18 grip setup. I've just never been able to get into the fantasy designs of some of the other throttles on the market.
Do you mean the dampener upgrade kit from Virpil that they released a few weeks ago?
I pre-ordered one. Can't wait to test it.
@@Hyena_91 That's the one! I saw a little teaser video for it and instantly wanted to grab it. It looks awesome in general, and while the pedals were already pretty much perfect, especially after I swapped the foot plates so I could rest my heels on the floor, that dampener would really make helicopters even easier to fly.
They look like they are good and I can see some ideas taken from the MFG pedals. We have our favorites and my MFG Crosswinds are the best I have used in 25 years of simming with pedals.
MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals rocks they are solid, lower profile. zero plastic.
I have the F-16EX throttle and Orion2 F-16 stick on order with the MFSSB base. Debating on whether go with their pedals or MFG's.
Damn, as soon as I saw them I thought of my Slaw RX Vipers that I bought 5 or 6 years ago! Expensive, but they're worth every penny. Best darn pedals I've ever used outside of a real airplane lol. Great for both fixed and rotary wing and they came assembled. All I had to do is buy the damper separately and install it. I think I know where Winwing got their designs from 😂. It's all good. BTW, getting my tailwheel IRL was a blast, as I'm sure you know. A lot of work at first, but once it clicks, it's a blast! Wish I'd learn on a TW first, instead of a Skyhawk 😅
Curious if they intend to install the vibration they have on their throttles and sticks in the future? I do like my Winwing gear with the vibration.
You know I thought it was gonna be gimmicky but I was wrong. Its so nice having some haptic feed back like whoops forget gear or over speed on the flaps. Love it
Thx for the review 😇🤗, for my part I love assembling things so this is just right for me 😂 but I understand your complains😂
Ordered!
Hi Mover, do you think you could post what settings that you would use that would make the pedals feel as close to what it would feel like in the actual F16?
Pretty much out of the box. I didn’t change anything.
So I love Winwing products I have F16ex and F15ex Throttle and have Thrustmaster TPR , so would you go from TPR to winwing Skywalker ?!
I have TM, Wingwing and Virpil and i would say that ww products are a hit and miss. I had to mod the antenna elevator axis on the F-16 EX throttle handle because it was loose and wobbly. There are two thumb axis wheels on the Orion 2 throttle unit that are very loose and has to be modded. The customer service sucks cause they don't give you any help. So keep your TM rudder pedals. My TM Warthog throttle unit is of higher quality but have less buttons so it is a tradeoff. The WW joystick base are of higher quality than the TM one and the Virpil Mongoos joystick base are the best of those 3.
Are these 3 way Axis? It's either this or the Ace for me but they are always on back order and this is cheaper.
Thinking about the WinWing or the Virpil Ace Interceptors for MSFS2020. Priced it out, and the Virpils are a bit more affordable due to the high shipping cost of the WinWings.
Hi Mover, great review as always. Could you please explain a little that dumper thingie for u non-RL-aviators? Does it allow to fly helicopter setup, and it enables the rudder not to return to center?
The pin is for cars. The pedals can be used as a gas/brake. The damper just changes the rebound (bouncing). The spring is what you’d have to change to change overall resistance.
@@CWLemoine I've just received mine today and assembled it all. Your damper looks different to the one I received.
Mine has more damping one way than the other. So pressing the right rudder pedal feels resistance but pressing the left pedal is not much at all. If you jerk the assembly you can see one way the return to center is soft but the other is all on the spring.
It's like the damper resistance is unbalanced. I think they have a different damper for the collective they sell.
Do you notice this behaviour with yours at all? 🤔
Wonder what took them so long to come up with pedals. It was a pretty big gap in their lineup.
when you cycle the pedals back and forth, it looks like the dampener only travels like a half an inch or less. Is that assembled correctly? The dampener itself looks like it could have about 6 inches of travel, but it's only using that small amount?
I don't have the Wingwing pedals (yet), but I installed similar damper on my Baur / Virpil ACE Interceptor, and it uses similar range of movement. Those motorcycle steering dampers are kind of strong (even when dialed down), and by moving it to a point where you only move them by small amount you decrease their effect, and it also decreases all the possible negative effects if the damper isn't really high quality (like slack when changing direction).
@@Bwazedoes the small percentage of travel also help with reducing stiction? These cheap motorcycle dampers are VERY hit or miss with having a load of stiction which just makes them unusable quite often, I know, I got a few including MFG’s kit and all had too much stiction so gave adding one to my Virpil pedals.
We are still waiting for the comparison video on Winwing vs Thrustmaster Viper gear.
Just get the winwing stuff. It is amazing gear, and they have a US distribution center now.
Can you do a video on how to put it togather. That would be great
Mover if you wait to touch down under 100 mph, it won’t bounce…Great vid!
I thought they had to change the name because of trademark issues with Lucas Film?
Would have been nice to see more of the actual pedals....
I think they have a good thing going, especially now that Honeycomb could potentially be going belly up. The WinWing stuff has great price points and seem to be made well. Unfortunately I was in the market for pedals before these came out, but I can attest to your point where upgrading from the TFRP to something as nice as these, it drastically improves your enjoyment in-game. I was doing the same things you mentioned in the Huey/Apache because the TFRP's were causing issues, and immediately upon upgrading it was a night and day difference. Thanks for the review Mover!
honeycomb had abandoned the company, do NOT pre-order
Little bit more to it than that, but I agree that no one should pre-order. I think you misread my comment, I already bought pedals prior to WinWing's becoming available. I was making reference to price point that there is a large void between intro and high end that Honeycomb WAS filling, but seems like WinWing has that locked down with all of their items now.
Does this mean we can see a bomb competition in the future
better than Thrustmaster TPR ? the damper tempts me
How do they compare to the Slaw Viper RX?
I have no idea what those words mean.
@@CWLemoine They're some all-metal F-16 inspired rudder pedals designed and hand assembled by one dude in Poland... which also happen to cost about 2x these. So these Winwing pedals are'anywhere near as good, then they're a hell of a deal!
@@b34k97 I can’t speak to that. I have only had three sets of pedals in my flight sim career - CH Pedals back in the 90s, the Thrustmaster ones from Amazon, and now these. These are awesome.
£338 in the U.K, not a bad price.
I got the same thrust master pedals not very realistic feel feet to close to each other
Looks a lot like the MFG crosswind design (this is a good thing)
I'd say they seem a lot more inspired by the Slaw Viper RX... (also a good thing)
@@b34k97 I had to google these as I'd never hear of them. But you are right! Very similar designs. I love the pedal design on the Slaws!
@@trevskaling I've got the Slaw's and I love em... but if I were buying today, I'd probably get these. At half the price, they look like a killer deal!
They look pretty good, but you'd have to take away my virpil pedals out of my cold dead hands!
Hey, cut it out! I just started PPL training and I don't need more stuff to buy! :)
having a taill wheel endorsement for 40 years and 600hrs in type landing in DCS with any taill wheel has zero bearing of how wel it is done, and I am alwyas playing since I am not flying much
I agree (TW for about ten years now), but that can be said about practically every aspect of sim flying 😂
Thanks for the review. It's gonna be a bitch to dust! 😅
I dont have these pedals, but I use a 1 inch paintbrush and assist with compressed air for the tight bits. Finish off with some WD 40 on the slidey bits. That would do it.
Mover experiment ….. while the mop is on your face. Need another Mover Media Productions mail bag or aviation video/review with the baseball hat turned around to see if you can get another million view video 🤔🇺🇸
The problem with this design is the sliding exposed parts tend to get dirt from your shoes in them… all slide rudders like this do the same. Thrusmaster figured it out, but they are expensive.
Skinwalker pedals? 😂
Winwing is a chinese company
Yup.
a fucking good Chinese company
@@SpidaMezgood? They’re okay, they could improve on some things. like customer service and quality control.
Does this mean we can see a bomb competition in the future