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Well this came out of nowhere. I was honestly not expecting to hear much more about this game until June, but here comes Luxin with another 40-minute analysis video on the minute-and-a-half trailer that he's already done a combined 2 hours 45 minutes of analysis on.
Watching this after the new trailer and its amazing how accurately he predicted a lot of the combat system. Especially the pairing up and being close to predicting the fusion thing.
Iv
I've been wanting a good theory or deep dive analysis into a possible combat system video to watch and I'm so happy I get to watch 40 minutes of it
Something I noticed awhile ago that fits in with this. So those clock things on everyone's weapons are all at exactly half for everyone, and (I don't remember which is which) what half is glowing is different depending on what country they are from, like the Keves side is on the right and Agnes is the left (I could be wrong on the sides, but it's something like that).
the giant Keves weapon that was similar to metal face had a quarter.
You brought up Ys VIII in terms of character switching mid-battle, but FFVII Remake is also a good example as well. That game actually heavily encourages you constantly switching up which character you're controlling and utilizing their ATB Gauges to directly command the AI-controlled party members on what to do. Just the ability to do those things would greatly benefit Xenoblade's combat system.
He brought up Ys viii?!? Man how come I didn't notice. That series needs more attention and love it's so good. Xenoblade and Ys my first 2 jrpgs
i'm surprised every single time you're able to get another 40 minute video full with high quality content out of a 90 second trailer.
this is what i subscribe for ngl.
thanks so much, luxin :)
@The Phantom ohhhh yes, right. sorry, i forgot. lmao
I think my ideal combat for xc3 would be with the element combos and auto attack cancelling of 2, with the art pallet and the ability to move and auto attack from 1, and the characters’ elements would be customized depending on their weapon, like the drivers in torna
I agree, and make the auto attacks and general gameplay as fast as X, rather than slow like 2.
I really like your interpretation of ouroboros. Plot wise, when Melia says "Ouroboros abhor this world", maybe our party really does hate the world, or at least the state of it. All the war and endless fighting, maybe our party is trying to get rid of that, but for some reason Melia and Nia want to perpetuate it/keep it like that.
It's also pointless fighting/brainwashed fighting too, as Mio says she's "fighting because there are enemies to kill". This is before they are allies and indicates that the fighting really isn't reasonable. So Mio and everyone might be trying to "wake everybody up" the same way she has
Which really wierd, Melia and Nia don't like war and wouldn't start over nothing. Maybe this war has gone on for so long that most fighters don't even know why they are even fighting and just are fighting cus that is what life is?
Fighting because that's all they know and understand. They're so use to it. Our party most likely abhors the way this current world system is setup and wants to get rid of it and change by waking everyone up.
@@zeraphphalanx2794 Yeah, that is essentially what I said, most people forgot why the war started in the first place, only Melia and Nia know but they don't about the third party real bad guy that set them up into the feud, the average soldiers just fight because fighting is life.
@@PJDAltamirus0425 Idk, I feel like there are a lot of interesting motivations they could give for these characters to fight. "We forgot" isn't one of them IMO
There must be some reason why the war is being perpetuated. To the people they fight to fight, but I refuse to believe Melia and Nia would just start this war out of animosity, there is probably some good that they are trying to do, or averting some greater evil, like Egil trying to exhaust Zanza’s power supply
Just wanna thank Luxin for like, existing. It’s really not possible to explain how entertaining I find it to listen to him ramble for ungodly amounts of time. Genuinely one of my top three things to do if I’m bored along with checking socials and trying to finish Hermitcraft seasons I stopped watching halfway through because I was busy.
im assuming you enjoy cringe comps as well
Eyyy fellow Hermitcraft fan! How are you liking season 9 so far? I only just discovered Hermitcraft this season, but so far I'm loving it!
I just want Nia and Melia to be party members, wouldnt matter if they´re unclockable through post game content or new game plus. I just think it would be cool to have them both fighting side by side
ah yes the most optimal party build: the cuckold party
And tyrea
@@Samuel-bp3oh I do want to try something new. I just think it would be a cool feature, even if it was just optional or locked behind dlc
Dont want to say it but i half expect one of them to die in the story in some sort of noble sacrifice kind of way
Nia and Melia are going to end up being the pair for their own ouroboros.
This theory is actually genius ngl, and also seems pretty plausible. Really hope that this video ages well
Ehhhh.... Kinda? He was pretty damn close on some things, but there was no way he could have predicted the gimmick of the Xenoblade Chronicles 3 combat system.
@@hyliastone286 what's the gimmick?
@@beezusHrist At the time, I considered Ouroboros to be the main gimmick of Xenoblade Chronicles 3 combat, but at this point there's just so much that I feel the Ouroboros will likely be the simplest part.
@@hyliastone286 looks like there is less anime bullshit in this game too. Thank God it's more like 1 and X than 2. Ugh. And you can change your clothes again. THANK GOD
Fashion gear is back
@@beezusHrist ....As someone who absolutely adores all three games, all Xenoblade tribalism deeply upsets me. Please stop. Just be happy that Xenoblade Chronicles 3 brings forth the best of all three previous entries in the series, instead of bashing the ones you don't like as much and hoping the series forgets or purges x, y, or z. Have faith in the developers that have given us the series we all have come to know and love so well. They have crafted three games that are each masterpieces in their own right, and are constantly striving to improve and bring out the best elements of all their previous works.
Torna combat may not be the most customizable, but it is the fastest flowing and most fun system. It is more action focused. I disagree that it wouldn't work in a longer game. If they went even further in the action direction with it with swap timing and such it could easily be deeper. For example like character action games. Having a weapon swap system would be enough even if they had preset moeveset. And a power up state like a devil trigger/ouroboros trigger. People are often willing to put time into character action games from how fun and engaging chaining attacks can be and comboing and I feel Torna has a similar vibe that with a few tweaks and improvements, could fill a similar niche of like character/weapon swapping for combos.
For example what if they went like Torna but you can swap between all 4 party members. So you could manage positions and attacks.
Imagine if bosses had desperation moves that stops the momentum of overdrive, driver combo cycles, and chain attacks. And, the enemy proceeds to buff themselves with stuff like Monado shield, sudden enemy waves (while cooling themselves down), huge AOE debuffs, or 100% invincible attacks. They can also require more quick time driver-specific events (the player himself needs to either topple, launch, smash, or break in time) to prevent them from taking out the player, buffing themselves, or debuffing your entire party.
@@justice8718 The final boss of torna had a special boss mechanic so it would be nice if they expanded that concept.
Xeno 1 has a better system than 2 and torna. But X has the best in the series
@@linkthemissinglink1627 Fuck no. Xeno 1's system is horrible.
@@justice8718 which part is worse than the 3 art 4 special system of 2?
Interesting to see how different people can see different things in the combat systems. Comparing XC1&2, I never thought 1 was slower at any point, I actually preferred 1 greatly, it felt a lot more interactive between managing aggro, visions, monado arts, and tension. To me, XC2 felt like you were aggressively doing mechanics at an enemy until they died, which I didn't like as much, even if it gave me more options with how I chose to do it.
@@thorinbrokenshield-smaug4004 you might not know this but it's actually possible to get arts like that in XC2, it's an effect granted by dessert pouch items
Thats honestly a pretty interesting take. as someone who likes both styles of combat, i think that xc2 provides significantly wider range for optimization and interactivity while xc1 has smaller options, but made the process a lot easier to digest. Aside from tension and monado arts (the latter of which is an integral part of xc1 as a whole), xc2's combat largely encompasses what xc1 had in just a single blade's kit. Its obviously personal preference what types of systems you prefer to manage, but ultimately it comes down to whether you find xc1 way too lax, or xc2 way too dank.
Overall, i think what i can safely say is that for a new player or blind experience, xc1 is more accessible with its simple and/or trivialized systems, but also in my opinion suffers from an identity crisis as a lot of what it has going for it pales in comparison to actual mmos its combat is based off of. I think xc2 is a lot worse for the new player but has aged significantly better in this action-oriented game industry, and has really come to its own and is more suited for end-game content.
For the health of the franchise and xc3, I really hope they go towards xc2's direction, but it would be in their best interest to make it more digestible from the get-go.
I agree. My ranking in terms of combat and battle system is:
1. Xenoblade Chronicles X
2. Torna
3. XC 1
4. XC2
The former two games have fast gameplay, and the latter two are slower, but I feel that 2 has the slowest battle system of them all. 2 is definitely the best in terms of content and customization, but I think Torna is much better in terms of the actual gameplay. I love how it combined the best things from 1 and 2's battle systems.
I know this is murky water, but I really want more action elements, at least some unique qte for story bosses. Or just stuff that really makes it feel more aggressive and fast-paced on an execution level.
Luxin was right with the fusion theory XD
Waking up to another 40min XC3 Luxin video in my subscription box is the best way to start the morning
Yes, it does sound better! Also damn I feel like you've got this game figured out. Great job, as always
I really feel it should be more Torna like but more customization with weapons and character set ups. Having 4 on the field but each has a partner that supports op them like Torna so basically 8 on the field and switching too. Maybe we get 10 total members of the main cast to choose from. Also, each character has 2 weapon styles like Lane has a sword and shield mode we saw. This can lead to insane customization and combos. But I hope they do what DE and give that ! on arts icon when it would help, so useful for positioning and maybe have a similar art pallet amount. Lastly, I think they should have arts look similarly to 1/DE where the effects are color coded for better visual ques and what each art does instead of looking at text
I had a theory about this as soon as I saw Lanz use his sword as an actual shield as well as the general nature of shield hammers being shields and hammers. Each character gets 2 modes with multiple arts for each and then the obvious link where 2 characters linked creates an oroboros which we don't know the exact extent of yet. Having two characters pair up is like Xeno 2's blade system, except they aren't tied to each other (even though you can use the overdrive, that doesn't count) and can be flexibly moved around across everyone. So with Xeno 1 we have every character being MOSTLY separate entities (one layer), Xeno 2 we have the dual character dynamic with Drivers and Blades (two layers) and now I see in three that we have characters with 2 modes they can switch between AND a third mode that can be activated when linked with another character for a third layer. It fits well with the theming of the game (Two opposing sides fighting, but coming together creates a great strength) and I can't wait to dive into the depths of this combat.
Praying that you're right my man this sounds actually amazing
For me, my hopes for the combat are:
-Eunie's Ether Rifle attacks don't have animations with a lot of end lag. Playing through Xenoblade 1 rn, and Sharla is not very fun for me between her long animations with noticeable end lag and Talent Art.
-Party Swap for sure. Xenoblade 1 and 2 are both well known for the AI Party members messing up whether it be Shulk's AI or Tora not breaking with QTPie
-Some Gambit esque system from FF12. Never played FF12 myself, but I heard it has very good AI customization.
I wouldn't like the gambit system to show up. Yes, it allows for AI to be good. However, the sheer extent to which FFXII allows you to customize it basically means, as Luxin says, they can play the game for you. ClementJ64 played the Zodiac Age at 12x speed without significant detriment. Just let that sink in. And I'm not sure how you could downplay such a system so that doesn't happen, while not just being the Kingdom Hearts AI customization.
But yes, the ability to swap party members mid-battle would be a godsend
@@aionicthunder The Kingdom Hearts AI customization is actually pretty good. I wouldn't mind seeing something like that in XB3. People only say it's bad because they never bothered messing with the AI settings so Donald would never heal them in KH1. (they fixed that in KH2 and KH3)
@@krimsonkatt Yeah and I wouldn’t mind it; it’s just that I would not call it similar to the gambit system, that’s all I meant
@@aionicthunder Something I've learnt about RPGs is that there's not a single RPG combat system which is universally liked among RPG fans. For every 5 who love a certain battle system, there will be 2 who dislike it. True for every RPG battle system.
@@Samuel-bp3oh Yeah, but the ratio can change. Most people don’t like Xenosaga Episode II’s combat. And OP has yet to play FFXII and see how little player input is needed once you have enough gambits. And I just… fail to see how people can enjoy a combat system that they don’t have to participate in
When I watched this when it was released, I was surprised at just how much sense it makes, and how it really sounded like something monolith would do, while also imagining the possibilities of such a battle-system, which is something I never do without actual confirmation of a battle system.
Fast-forward to today, and to think that this speculation video I watched was totally on point, kinda blowed my mind, honestly. I don't even know how to describe it, but something about your speculation being totally right made me even more excited for the game. So thanks for that Luxin!
I've been waiting for a video on this I must subscribe to this channel I get to learn more about my favourite franchise too
They really should allow you to switch characters mid-battle and customize the AI. I mean, heck, Tales of Symphonia did both of those thing more than fifteen years ago
Lol. You just reminded me of the absolutely panic I went into the first time I accidently switched characters in combat and couldn't figure out how to change them.
FOOOOUUURTTTY MMIIINNUUTTESS!!!! pog
Literally my first thoughts when I clicked on the video XD
I'll have to watch it later then as I don't have the time to watch a 40min video right now.
Banger video
Been watching some of your XC2 focused stuff lately and your content is gold, catch this sub
Absolutele madlad, I should have expected this. I'll watch this later!
With these videos we'll all make it to September
id love to see a poppi swap-like system for character customization, where you can put anything on anyone, but it would cost 3's equal to ether crystals, getting exponentially more expensive to discourage overpowering. except please dear god no more Tiger! Tiger!
lol @Luxin... you were off a bit, bud. 7 person parties and 2 characters can fuse into mech like things.
Well 2 Nopons make it 8 :v
it would be interesting if we actually got a battle system for each nation that is reminiscent of the respective games, even if they end up with a unique number of arts like say 6, keves has them in a line and agnus has them in button inputs
Man, this video feels like a peek into Luxin's obsessive brain and I'm here for it, glad to see the hype cycle for XC3 since I wasn't a big series fan when XC2 came out and HEY, NICE NEW MIC man, sounds good😊
The way i would personally want it is making it so the different modes are like poppi swap. You customize stats/abilities of the modes.
I primarily think that when two characters are paired like in torna they’ll fight like in torna and will also get a specific special with the character they’re paired with someone else
Edit2: Also maybe oruborus could be a mode in combat like overdrive but is similar to the combat affinity in XC2
yay luxin
This battle system idea does sound fun, interesting and plausible for Monolith Soft to have created something like that. The theory that the "Ouroborus power" is unlocked by people from the Keves and Agnus nations, or just from the different worlds, teaming up makes a lot of sense too.
I know that in Xenogears that Ouroboros was the final boss and the UMN had the symbol of Ouroboros as its logo but I do wonder if the artifact known as the Ouroboros Ring will make an appearance in Xenoblade 3.
If this game was something like XCX’s combat and open world with XC1/2’s story and music it would make the best game of all time for me.
Plz let that be true,take the best things of every Xenoblade and combine them.
Honestly this system you laid out was similar to what I was thinking. It has so much potential for customizability.
I can easily see myself playing this game for many years with that kind of combat system.
So, the thing about Ouroborous pairs and the mentioning of anima made me think about E.S. Units and how they needed to piloted in pairs (for most people, at least.) Now I can't get the idea of Mio, the dodge tank and gameplay successor of the Uzukis and Noah, the long black haired swords man and design successor of the Uzukis, co-piloting a discount Fenrir/Reuben.
Now I'm interested!
I hunger finally some new Xenoblade 3 videos
It sounds super cool, but something about the party members in the overworld makes pairing up seem unlikely to me. Maybe it's because I'm expecting the trailer to look like final gameplay in terms of characters onscreen (given they've likely been sitting on a mostly finished game for a while, as you said), but the party's physical formation looks a lot more like 1/X than Drivers and Blades in 2, and I don't see why they'd make the rear guard invisible here unless to obfuscate the party system. It also seems weird that they'd advertise three pairs but have a vanguard of four. I dunno.
as long as it's built off the basic formula the series has had so far, i don't mind what they do so long as it is unique and doesn't become a pure action rpg
Your local algorithm feeder is here to feed the algorithm without getting any new info. Keep up the good work Luxin!
ALGORITHM BOOSTING!!!
May as well join in.
I just want to say something about a novel that i'm currently reading 'Warlock of the Magus World' it was translated in 2017 and as I continue reading it the similarities between it and xc3 increases, at first there were Seers a bunch of test subject by the mc for testing a recreation of an ability that makes see into the flow of destiny and see the future, I didn't of the Seers that much but after that the mc joins the Ouroboros clan and guess what is the name of a promising youth from the Ouroboros clan with pure bloodline? Fricking Noah, if the novel have any more similarties i'll (hopefully) update this comment.
Very interesting!
That's very interesting and it brings into question by what it means for Noah to be...Pureblood.
So watching your video got me thinking more about the clocks on everyone's weapons, and I started to question if different characters had different halves of their clocks filled up (thus supporting your theory that you might need to find someone with the other half of the clock to unlock the ouroboros). I went to check it out and unfortunately it was easier said than done. First off, with the characters swinging the weapons around as well as doing acrobatics, it was hard to get good view of the clocks most of the time. Second, even when I could see the clocks, most of the weapons don't have an easily identifiable way of knowing witch way is meant to be up. Luckily some clocks (such as the ones on the giant mechs) are easy to read and I can confirm that their are some Agnus clocks that fill the right half and some Agnus clocks that fill the left half, additionally the Keves nation shows off many of their solders and I can say there are examples of either side being filled of the same weapon type. It is safe to say that witch side of the clock is filled is not dependent on nation.
As for our party members, I am working under the assumption that the bladed weapons (Noah, Mio and Lanz) are all considered upright when their blades are pointed down (i.e. how in past games the weapons were stored when not in use). With that I can say that Mio has the right side filled and Noah and Lanz have the left side filled (in particular about Lanz's sword, their is one shot where we get clear view of both sides of weapon and the clock displays left regardless of witch side you view the weapon). Eunie I assume the clock was aligned to be upright when she uses it as a staff and thus has the right side filled. Sena was a bit weird as her clock is sideways compared to the orientation of the handle, thus my best guess is that her right side is filled based on how she holds it in her ready stance. Last but not least Taion's gauntlet I'm guessing the correct orientation is when his arms are at his sides, at witch point his clock is filled on the left half. It appears that boys have left half field while girls have right sides filled, similar to how in your xenogears example the male angle was on the left and the female was on the right. Then again this does take some assumptions so with way is up for some of the weapons so I could be wrong.
See, now I'm concerned. This sounds so good that I'm worried that the actual combat won't be this interesting! I think there is a lot of potential in a customizable tag team system. Maybe arts, skills, and abilities could have different effects depending on how you compose the teams. If mechs do return in some form, maybe they'll be tandem mechs, and which two pilots you put together could alter how they play! A lot of cool stuff to think about.
I think he's spot on. X was an evolution of 1, but since it was a spin-off, 2 did its own thing, then Torna was an evolution of 2. It makes sense that this game would be a further evolution of Torna, with the vanguard switch stuff.
Can I just say I really appreciate you clarifying whats spoiled in these videos! My boyfriend is playing through the series right now and it makes it much easier to watch xeno content when your videos are so properly marked for spoilers, thanks!
I just hope the the chain attacks are like 2 with it's full burst function and that you can swap characters like in torna.
Hey, I use the party commands list in X, although I think the only one I ever use is "exit your skells!" lol.
Luxin, you absolute mad man lmao.
You actually got this right, much respect!
Thank you so much for your conversation surrounding the battle system of Torna. I have felt very alone in my opinion that just using Torna’s battle system for XC3 would be a bad idea, at least for me personally. I spend more time then most in these types of games so I spent way more than 15/20 hrs completing Torna and I was absolutely bored by the combat way before I finished it. I have played XC2 a few times and never feel bored due to the sheer variety of play/customization I can do with it. It’s all subjective but it was really great knowing someone else had the same thoughts about it. Loved listening to your ideas. Thanks for the great video.
Well, it seems like you hit the "they work in pairs" nail on the head, well done
I didn't realize you had a new mic because I recently got new speakers and they also sound fantastic.
so lets go with MYSTERY
What if the Ouroboros actually occurs for the parties when they swap flutes? Maybe the flutes that "mourn" (think a Sending ala FFX) are tied to a nation and cause those souls to return or join the "collective" of that nation (and all members present "absorb" or gain their power or something like that -- Highlander rules?). By switching them, perhaps it allows them to gain the "other half" that these groups are missing? In this manner, the Anima/Animus are not tied necessarily to the pairings of the characters, but rather the fact that they have another member on the "opposing" side?
This would line up well with Takahashi's prior works (good initial catch on Anima/Animus), but also add in with the entire Collective Unconscious, etc. Since we've theorized that some members are highly ether-focused (XC2) and some are highly machina-focused (XC1), perhaps the sum of the two parts is what it takes to truly make everyone "whole" again, post-Klaus?
Is the combat of Xenoblade 2 the most complicated? I understand it way more than i do X's.
Then again, I didn't know about orbs until I got to the final boss of 2 haha
I think it's more complicated in the sense that the systems interact in complex ways, and from what I understand the stats are kind of deceptive in how they work (blades don't necessarily act according to their supposed roles, the auto-attack stat affects all damage, etc). So I'd say the trappings surrounding the combat are complicated, but I agree with you that aside from the orb system the combat itself isn't all that hard to understand.
Mic check 1,2,1,2... Sounds great, Lux!
I think by more characters on screen they mean more enemies. This seems like a more war focused game like xenoblade 1. But if you remember the war parts in xenoblade 1, you're usually just stuck in a circle while the enemies are just standing around it as props. Only a few enemies actually spawn in the circle, and they come in waves.
Xenoblade 3 might be a much more immersive battlefield where people are actually fighting each other in the level and you can walk around and engage in the battles taking place.
I’m so happy this is 40 minutes long
Maybe are the two main characters (from trailer) unique characters and the other ones are blades. So on the swimming scene, there are the 2 characters and the 2 blades 🤔
I have to imagine there is at least some perceived downside to ouroboros, since it's a snake eating itself and they supposedly abhor the world. I wouldn't be too surprised if the flame clock is something that charges during battle and ouroboros is the thing you get when it's fully charged, probably functionally similar to affinity and max affinity, but where getting max flame clock causes you to enter a powered up mode, similar to overdrive (bet you they call it overclock since it's a clock). Basically instead of chain attack or overdrive being a party thing, it's now tied to vanguard/rearguard affinity and triggers per pair instead of party wide.
Either way, I hope a version of overdrive comes back instead of chain attack. Chain attack is a pace killer and overdrive is a pace accelerator.
Im not sure if its true or not, since its been a while since I last heard it, but apoarently in the Japanese version of XCX, Overdrive IS called Overclock. I could be wrong about it though, since I only HEARD it was called that...
The dude with the paper birds reminsd me of Konan from Naruto :D
Cool video :)
Around 26:00 you talked a lot about the need for pairing in the system you speculated about… Xenoblade 2 DLC’s crossover characters with Shulk, Fiora, Elma, and others like Poppibuster, and I think Mikhail? All more-or-less broke the established rules. Heck, I just went through NG+ and 100%’d Torna again this past week and I don’t think I found any clear instances explaining how Minoth could fight alongside Addam as he did besides whatever we could find in the base game about various Flesh Eaters, so I don’t think the rules have to or even will be all that stiff anyways.
Ok another 40 minutes video from a 2 minutes trailer from Luxin?
Yes Please!!!
Tonally it seems more like XB1.
Visually it looks more like XBDE.
In terms of narrative scope it's much more like XB1.
I have a feeling the battle system will reflect this and be a heavily modified XB1 battle system touched up with what they've learned from their subsequent games.
I think 3 will a battle system closer to 1. It's fit more with the style
I get this feeling that clocks are going to be integral to both the plot and the combat, much like core crystals were for XBC2. It could function as a constantly depleting resource in a fight, similar to Devil May Cry's style points. It might be used for special attacks, or add some passive effect.
I think Ouroboros will likely be activated between characters of opposing worlds, not genders. The each nations' clocks fill in different directions, which has me thinking that Ouroboros might be activated by mixing blue and green ether. There's even a very short shot in the trailer where it seems Noah's weapon has a line of green ether flowing through the middle. If I'm right, I imagine this phenomenon could be a reason for this war. Maybe something REALLY bad happens when two people from different worlds resonate with each other in this way.
Didn't Xenoblade 1 had a mini menu for tactics as well? (On Wii not the remake).
The only way us XC2 fans figured out the battle system was with The Power of Friendship
I think when people say they want torna combat I think they mean mostly swapping up characters mid battle and adding options and advantages for it cause maaaaaaannnnnn I wanna swap characters.
Haven't watched the video yet so not sure if you make this joke but 4 party members means light party and on a related note. Imagine if we get a deep dungeon like challenge in the game.
For a new 40min XC3 video, How about revisiting FC for potential hints at the XC3 setting? It seems much deeper than we first thought, and is the vary latest product by Monolith Soft. It ought to fit really well with XC3
Imagine if in the lategame the true enemies have properties that counter both Keves and Agnus, say if it they have the ability to cleanse all statuses and debuffs, and/or and have no elemental weakness
I cannot express how much I want to see the nation leaders pair up. Sharing their past experiences, having their starkly different manners of speech highlighted, experiencing the adventuring life again after so long... not to mention they're both wildly powerful in their own rights and may have only grown stronger over time. It's just too perfect.
Also i adore Pair-up mechanics where characters' special bonds allow them to use unique or powerful abilities. "My friends are my power!"
I originally opened this vid because I wanted some silly theory as white noise in the background while cooking. Never had anyone make so much mad sense off of a 2 minute trailer tho. Banger vid like another fella already said.
Please consider a "let's see what I got right/wrong" follow up later this year, I'd love to see it ^^
If this is true I'm gonna have a lot of fun with xenoblade 3
See, I absolutely loved Torna's battle system and felt it was actually a step up from 2's. Maybe you are right that it couldn't work for a longer game, but I hope whatever system they have planned is as fast paced.
As far as the AI goes. . . yeah. Though I think XC's AI actually does better than a lot of other games. . .Sharla and Melia happened, and the gender AI focus in 2 happened. . .
I sincerely hope it is an iteration on X and not 2.
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Only wish:
Have Poppi return, not even as a playable character just let her be there and play some part in the story. If we get her as a party member though and we go with this idea for a combat system, well she is already an artificial blade so she could link with anyone. PoppiBuster did that in xenoblade 2 as well so, it would be nice to see something like that come back. In a sense she is already the best combination of both worlds, being highly mechnanical yet using ether in a similar way to blades (which would also give her so much story and worldbuilding potential), also customization, you could really go overboard with poppi.
Although in a sense it would also be really powerful to see some of the xenoblade 2 blades come back and reject the oroborous system because of their attachemnt to their drivers.
Man can't wait to see more of the game.
Honestly, I’m kind of hoping that they bring back the overdrive from X, just with a better explanation. We already have clocks as a motif. Maybe you can expend that energy or resource and call it overclocking.
If your theory about how the Orobourus works is Correct, maybe the 4 person party works more like 2 drivers and 2 blades, or like in Torna, where you can choose 2 frontline and 2 backline, and swap bewteen them? Or maybe you control one of the 4, and the other 3 are AI controled? I'm only half way through the video, so forgive me if you mention these.
I got my Skell license last night...
For me, I found that 2's combat was overwhelming, I am of the opinion that too much complexity on a battle system brings the system down rather than elevating it, Torna was my favorite combat system of the Xenoblades because it felt like an easier to manage 2, and I found X to be almost prefect if overdrive was ignored (I still don't understand it, even after looking up how it works, something I try not to do when playing games).
Ok... but can we topple lock?
It’s so much more complicated then two. It’s making my brain hurt.
We've seen ZERO gameplay Luxin.
But you know he nailed at least 80% based on his track record....
@@elm8692 Haven't watched this video. Now that we've seen gameplay I'm here to listen to Luxin's predictions.
My thought/hope is that the Keves side will control like Xenoblade 1 (Shulk, Reyn, Melia) and Agnus like Xenoblade 2 (Taion as a driver and Sena/Mio as blades). Looks like you can have any mix of party members so maybe this isn't likely
My ideal battle system would be Xenoblade 2's combat system, but with Vanguard Switch and swap arts
No sorry did not notice the microphone 😭
It’s pretty cool that each side’s weapon seems to fill a different half of their clocks. Wonder if by killing their opponent’s they fill their clocks but they cap out at half so they have to keep fighting in order to survive but they later find out by working together they can fill their clocks and not have to kill anyone anymore. But if everyone did this then the next generation wouldn’t be able to fill their clocks and might die out. Wanting to prevent this Melia and Nia agreed to a never ending war so that the world Shulk and Rex made wouldn’t fall to ruin
. . . But maybe that’s a bit of a stretch idk
Would also be nuts if it turned out Melia and Nia were Ouroboros and their respective partners were each other. Ouroboros hating the world makes sense if they are forced to kill and be killed just for a selfish whim especially if theirs a potential other option
One more thing there have to be 2 flame clocks right? There is such a focus on each faction having one half of a clock on their weapons that it sparks some questions.
Are there 2 clocks?
Can the clocks become Ouroboros if there are 2?
If the clock(s) run(s) out will the land be destroyed?
Can Ouroboros be feed to the clock(s)?
If the clock(s) are/is destroyed does that end the conflict?
If the clock(s) are/is destroyed will that lead to a greater tragedy? (Giant snake final boss?)
If there was once a second clock was it somehow destroyed making it so the flame clock couldn’t become Ouroboros thus needing endless sacrifices?
Xenoblade 2 base game battle system is my least favorite. I prefer to have a smaller and consistent cast over a variety of blades. Also not having blades shown in cutscenes besides the main story (ESPECIALLY ROC) besides the main story blades took me out of the immersion.
The variety of blades made the battle system way too inconsistent and also I got soured by Rex being able to deploy every blade on him on my first playthrough after using many core crystals on him.
Having to use 3 specials to get one orb was a chore throughout the story to then use a chain attack. The movement is also very stiff and has restrictions with max blade affinity. Movement felt a lot looser in Xenoblade 1 and especially X.
Torna fixed all of the major problems I had with the base game, with really the only big blemish on it was the Community building to continue the story.
I summoned Godfry on Nia so she kept him for a long while. Nia got most of my higher level blades
I think you misunderstand the point people make about taking the Torna battle system and putting it in 2. They typically only refer to the actual *combat* and not the customisation surrounding it. People wanting Torna style combat in main game XC 2 is evidence of both being lacking. XC 2 has great customisation, but poorly explained gameplay that, even if you do understand it, doesn't always feel great. You're punished for switching blades instead of rewarded. Torna improved greatly upon the *combat* aspect of the gameplay, at the cost of removing all customisation. What people want is for them to put Torna style combat in a game with XC 2 level of customisation, so they'd have the best of both worlds.
Obviously, the problem with this is that it would take a lot more work to make Torna combat work with the customisation of 2. However, I think you'll agree that a system like that *would* be preferable to either version we currently have.
I just want the full arts palette back
I think it looks too mmo. It’s dated design.
I’m confused how we can now say that X1’s combat is the worst. If you know what you are doing, you can have some crazy amount of customization in a game where enemies are not just punching bags for you to inflict big numbers to without much in-combat thought or strategy.
Customization that ultimately boils down to every fight being break>topple>daze?
@@NoonDragoon That's what I hear most of the time. X1 is bad because Break, Topple, Daze. Well I never use those, and X2 has Break, Topple, Launch, Smash, and you don't hear anyone say that X2 combat is bad because of that.
X1's can be insanely cutomizable with with Skill Trees, and Affinity Skills than you link between party members, in addition to gem crafting and allocation. With those tools you can do alot. Think of these tools as the simple primary colors that you mix to make a painting with you battle palette. Hah, that is so poetic lol.
Anyways, with those tools you can focus on customizing you arts palette to go along with you skill strategy. For instance, using skills to focus on red arts or purple arts for insane raw physical or ether damage. Anothe thing you can try a purely auto attack party, with double attack skills links and gems in addition with haste gems and auras. You can try making a pure agility party with Naked Dunban and link that skills of his to all of you party members (and stip them all naked for the Agility boost lol). Another thing you can try is an ether DoT damage party. You can also try killing enemies without attacking by making Spike damage builds. Another thing you can try is an area-attack party that focuses on attacking multiple enemies at once...etc. You can also try a chain attack build that generates the chain bar instantly for max damage. Then there are the more basic builds of crit damage for instant chain attacks.
This is not even counting that 90% of arts have a 'side effect' in battle that ties into how you play the game. But I will be writing a novel if I talk about those. The game gives you a discription of each art so you can use it effectively in battle though.
There is a 2010 video of someone killing a superboss with Sharla... You see what I mean? X1 is insanely customizable but people focus on Break Topple Daze to portray the battle system as a primitive and dumb one. Most people don't even know why some arts are red, blue, yellow, orange, and purple and how that ties into your strategies...
@@xord5293 Maybe I should have worded my point better, but your comment did help to illustrate my personal issues with the combat system of XC1. My main point of contention for XC1's battle system is that there are a limited number of systems to engage with *in battle itself*, not in the time before battle. In battle itself, there are a limited number of options to take to alter the flow of battle, this is why so many resort to either high crit chain attacks by simply matching art colors, or the break>daze>topple combo. But, as you described, there is certainly customization that can be done before battles to create different playstyles. I would personally argue that a player doing so is creating complexity from an inherently simple battle system in order to make a varied playstyle, whereas sequel XC battle systems keep the amount of customization options pre-battle while also introducing systems to engage with in battle.
XCX is my major argument against the simplicity of XC1's battle system. All of your previous points about customization before battle is easily applied as well to XCX's systems, and more. XCX also has the soul voice command customization, Skell arts and Skell gear customization, and the main player character being a blank slate that can take on any role. But also, *in combat* XCX outshines XC1. Arts management, positioning, and arts side effects are still in play but there is also now TP management, melee vs. ranged arts/weapons, the overdrive protocols, targetable appendages, and the soul voice system. And that's just ground combat, before even getting into Skell combat, or Skell + ground combat. The only thing really lost from XC1 to XCX is the chain attack system, which was pretty boring in XC1 as it really only served to "match the colors to get high damage number". In battle for XCX, there is much more to engage with that makes battles incredibly varied, even without fully engaging in it's pre-battle systems to create superboss level builds (such as the Blossom Dance build).
And to your point about XC2 also having break>topple>launch>smash, I imagine that isn't brought up in contention as much because driver combos are just one of the systems in battle. There are also blade combos and fusion combos that build with driver combos, which all build up to a unique chain attack system that uses the orbs built up during those combos. Your actions in those various combos directly have effects on other systems in the battles, whereas the break>topple>daze combo in XC1 is a singular system that doesn't affect other systems in XC1's battles. A chain attack isn't affected, outside of raw damage numbers, by whether an enemy is dazed or not.
@@NoonDragoon I love it when I talk anything Xenoblade, haha. So I do enjoy longer and explanatory comments like yours; especially on weekends. So I hope you are having fun in this conversation aswell.
I never said anything negative about XCX's combat, as I has some crazy fun with that game and have my WiiU ready for whenever I crave another XCX playthrough.
But let's get to the argument about XC1's battle system. I sincerely disagree with your point that XC1's battle system becomes primitve after the battle has started. Let me try to illustrate that with an example of one of my playstyles. Once the battle starts, I try to actively look for Defense Down side effects from arts and stack those (Shulk's Slilt Edge and Melia's Bust End for i.e) before I go all canon. If I control Melia, the decisions in battle become even more important, so I must keep aggro in mind and have Reflection ready if anything comes up. Of course, this is on top of actively working with whatever set up I made before battle, like a Naked Dunban strat of anything else.
Now the main point of my argument; XC2 gives you so much stuff to do before battle (I'd say sometimes it gets too much), only to have you never think in battle. The reason for that is because everything you do is predictable (aka repetitive and boring) because you are following this extremely rigid layered system that builds upon things you did before. Auto Attack > Driver Arts > Blade Arts > Fusion Combo > Orb > Rinse > Repeat > Chain Attack > Break Orb > Rinse > Repeat. If I the game gives me this layered system to execute, what decisions to I have to make on my own? People love XC2's combat simply because the real Dopamine rush comes from having big damage numbers. So in order for you to get the big numbers, there is no strategizing or anything that you have to keep track of other than just follow that layered system to get your big numbers. How is this better than XC1's system, where you have to actually think in battle so you do not die?
It's crazy to me when people say that XC1's system is too predictable solely because of its Break Topple Daze, which is just one of the myriad of ways you can play in that game, when XC2's combat is literally built to be predictable.
Anyways here's another point that many people do not know: If an enemy is dazed in XC1, it does not know who is hitting it. So no aggro is generated, and thus if you are playing a low health character like Melia, just fire away with no fear. This is why I pair Dunban with Melia, use Dunban's Yellow Fart move to instantly daze all enemies behind him, start chain attack, and then go wombo combo with Melia cannons without fearing she gets aggro. Is there such synergy between characters in XC2?