Did Nvidia Just Do Us A Favor? - DLDSR Explained
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How can Nvidia's Deep Learning Dynamic Super Resolution, or DLDSR, improve the look of your games without much of a performance hit?
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If you hit the max refresh rate of your monitor, turn DLDSR on, turning your extra FPS into better quality.
When can I get this feature in my eyes?
So it's better to have a monitor lower fps?
@@aznboi1027 That depends on what you are playing. FPS games like CS:GO or Battlefield or racing games benefit much from higher frame counts. Games like Simcity or Tropico or whatever benefit much more from cranked up graphics settings at 60fps or so. I like to vary between 75hz and 144hz on my GSync monitor, depending what games I play. I don't want my GPU to turn into a space heater all the time for nothing.
@@aznboi1027 If your FPS stay more than 80% of your monitor refresh rate, keep the DLDSR on.
this applies to literally any graphics quality setting
Man, sure is nice to hear about all these new features for graphics cards that I can't afford. I'm sure the GT710 will get some love soon... _right?_
...right?
Honestly it's ridiculous that the industry is trying to push all this junk when most people can't even afford a modern PC with a graphics card in it. It just sounds silly.
@@aceterdt2836 tough. Just buy it if you want it. 2x price isn’t the end of the world. Save more then buy
@@badreddinekasmi8919 not really that ridiculous.. what, are they supposed to just stop making new shit bc you cant get a gpu? lol hardly, when the time comes that you get your new gpu you'll be greeted with new features i fail to see how thats a problem.
You guys are making me feel like a god with a 1070 Ti I picked up as an impulse buy at release.
"You'll need an RTX card to take advantage of DLDSR."
You should've just opened with that.
Yeah, no one cares until prices get normal (probably never).
@@donpercent welcome to the "new normal"
How else will he get views for all that moolah??
RTX has been around since 2018.
@@morethanben and GPU scalping has been around for half that time.
I keep hearing about AI and "Tensor". I video breaking down what a "Tensor" is and how it applies to AI computing would be great.
@AGNÉZ Buny Girls aaaaaand their bot destroyer has failed
@@dizzydaisy909 It doesn't scan 24/7, give it some time
A vector is 1D, a matrix 2D, and a tensor can be anything (1D, 4D, 10D...)
It is a mathematical object, just like matrices, which is used as a foundation in AI computing
So computing tensors efficiently makes you conpute AI efficiently
A tensor is a mathematical object describing a multilinear map, ie a map from a product of vector spaces to a single vector space. It's a higher dimensional generalisation of what vectors and matrices are.
Most computers are designed to efficiently run vector and matrix computations but not so much with tensor operations, which traditionally have niche uses in physics but lately have become much more common with AI
To quote my physics professor: a tensor is something that transforms as a tensor.
Damn, I’m really starting to kick myself for not getting an RTX card when I had the chance at a reasonable price point. Bought a 1660 super around time the 2060 dropped and the decision making was pretty much down to whether or not I was going to use ray tracing that much. Had I had more knowledge on what DLSS and now this was going to be able to do, I would have probably gone the other way.
Yep. I didn't see a reason to update from my GTX 1070 when the 20 series launched because it wasn't enough of an improvement. Now a few years later I could really use features like DLSS to run newer games at higher framerates on my 165Hz monitor. Oh well. Prices have to come down at some point. I'm not buying a card for nearly double MSRP.
not your fault Nvidia is greedy bro, even on Steam like 90% of users still use 1000 seires cards yet they're the ones being left out, They should've made an alternative to AMD FSR not this bs lol
@@brexy9984 it was literally only achievable through tensor cores which only RTX series have. It's impossible to replicate on non-RTX gpus
I mean theres been a campaign from a few AMD-oriented tech channel (like one who doesn't fit in a box...) to say DLSS is marginal and "looks bad" cause it just started at that time (1.0 phase), and Ray Tracing was a fad to bump up prices.
Now DLSS is in half the triple A games comin out, and Ray Tracing is becomin more and more common, even if its often limited to shadows (because thats all next-gen consoles/RDNA 2 can support at 60fps). Blame the Nvidia haters, Nvidia does some shady stuff with their pricings but tech wise, they deliver.
Funny enough, that channel I alluded to now says "Oh you cant deny Nvidia's cards features". Shame its too late to say that, everyone knows.
@@sscillitani I have both a 2060 mobile and a 1070 and tbh you're not missing a ton. DLDSR is "free" performance only if you already use super sampling, which most people probably don't. And DLSS only works in a few games. When it works it's great, but lots of the games I play don't support it. A lot of it is just hype.
Can we all appreciate how beautiful they keyed out linus? The team does a extremely great job.
Good. Less Linus is better.
Plottwist: Linus in the video was just rendered like Jensen.
Taran made a video of keying in his personal channel, he perfected that long ago.
@AGNÉZ Buny Girls comin linus, where is that bot banning sceipt you showed last video?
@@noam242 they need to add 18 and only to the script
"RTX Antialiasing" should have been the title of this video.
I knew it was going to happen, damn it this is one of the best features imo (playing Sonic Adventure 2 at max DSR for me but would appreciate those extra frames cause with ReShade and mods it is laggy.. rarely but it happens).
Bought a Msi GTX1660 Super 2 years ago at MSRP, very good card but those new RTX cores sound really nice..
DLDSR solved one of the biggest issues I have with Escape from Tarkov. Before DLDSR you had two options: Blurry Tarkov or jagged as hell Tarkov. Now DLDSR solves both of those issues and makes the game look cleaner than ever before. Nvidia has really outdone themselves this time, IMO even more than when they implemented DLSS, and I can't wait to test out all of my games with this new tech.
Found the Nvidia employee
@@macguyfromscotland bro I wish
I use DSR on tarkov and get better stability and good looking gamr. How can i enable DLDSR?
@@Sima0 it's in the Nvidia control panel under "manage 3d settings" under "global", it's in the same drop-down menu as DSR with its own check boxes.
Thanks Nvidia, I rarely ever open my control panel and look at individual settings but i just may try this out at some time for certain games. will see.
How would combining DLSR & DLDSR make any sense? The first renders a smaller image and upscales it, the other a bigger image and downscales it? Am I missing something here?
well you cant have either word with out the other, so technically its already combined
@@donjames5761 You are making no sense.
DLDSR apparently doesn't sample an entire high resolution image. (So not creating that much more work.) My guess is that DLDSR is ran on the output of DLSS.
Well DLSR is upscale for running games at a lower resolution
DLDSR renders at a higher resolution and downscales them which can be used for everything else
Only a fullscreen peasant will not understand that
For example you want to watch 4k netflix on a 1440p monitor, but you also want to play a game that is to demanding so have to play it at 720p it is then upscaled to 4k then down to the screen resolution as opposed to 720p to 1440p directly
Its a best of both worlds combination
Boarderless has long since given better performance than fullscreen on non potato PC’s along with instant alt + tabbing
Its why Avorion pisses me off by saying Boarderless but then plays in fullscreen anyway
Well, you start with a 144p image, then you DLSS it to 64k and then you DLDSR it down to 4k and watch the effects.
Btw I wonder if it would be possible to DLSS a low quality youtube video to save on network bandwith.
cool feature, would be nice if we could buy one of those 'rtx' cards from retail at retail cost
Just buy a PS4. I hear they’re re repeating them to help with the shortage. What a great time to be a gamer! /s
If Nvidia cared about gamers instead of miners, they would make these features available for GTX users.
@@zqzj did you not hear the part about this tech using the tensor cores? They’re what make the deep learning stuff possible. Older cards don’t have the tensor cores, so how would they be capable?
@@ian.williamson nvidia also released AI powered background noise called RTX Voice. RTX Voice was hacked and it was shown that it works on GTX cards. Nvidia then releases a silent update which supports GTX cards. They could apply this technology to GTX cards, but they won't. Stop shilling for the greedy corporation.
Alas, the retail price got super DLSS upscaling :-[
It's actually much better than regular DSR. I've been using this feature since it dropped in 511.23 more than two weeks ago. BTW nvidia's example in Prey is extremely misleading: either the FPS are locked at 145 or there is a CPU bottleneck. There's no way a game loses only 37 FPS when jumping from 1080p to 4k unless one of those conditions is met. Other than that, the feature is great. Does miracles with the aliased vegetation in Hunt Showdown. I can now stare at the older maps in PUBG for longer periods of time without vomiting.
It's an example that isn't representative of how much performance you'll lose in most games, but it's still a good example of how DLDSR (or normal DSR) can be used. There are a lot of single-threaded, CPU bottlenecked games out there like Prey that under-utilize the GPU. DSR allows you to make full use of your GPU in those games to get a better image.
@@konga382 you made a good point there mate, but it still misled a lot of people into thinking that with DLDSR 1620p they would get more or less the same FPS than in native 1080p. That said, you're right in your statement.
The Deep Learning component is improving upon the gaussian 13 tap filter to a fantastic effect in DLDSR. BTW a tip if you find inner surface texture detail is too soft compared to native resolution rendering you can fine tune it using the DSR - Smoothing setting in the 3D settings of the Nvidia control panel. The default is 33% and you can go down to around 20% to give an extra sharp image with a very small increase of edge aliasing due to less smoothing. Higher values than 33% will improve smooth edge anti aliasing smoothing but give a softer image. It really is s tweakable to your preference.
Have u tried setting texture quality to high with a clamped -1 LOD bias - 3 with Ni diver?
@@TRONiX404 Yeah, I always run textures on high quality also I never found the negative LOD bias to make any difference. It is quite annoying when game developers forget the Negative LOD bias in there titles....
@@micb3rd hmm I was never sure but from the NVIDIA forms they say select (Driver controlled LOD bias = off) allow - value, increases texture resolution further out from the player in the mip map grid before it steps down distant text res...
Supposed to have better support with OpenGL dx11 12 but not Vulkan can cause over sharpening shimmering in motion.
Idk lol but when using UE4 it's recommended to use a negative bias with dlss
Can you change the scaler from gaussian to any other scaler like spline or lanczos? If so I need to know how
@@buglocc Hi no we i have not seen any way control to
Change the type of filter from the control panel. Especially now Nvidia have a the DL component the results are very good and I doubt they would allow end user to make it worse.
SuperSampling 4k onto my 1440p monitor with DLDSR has been pretty amazing.
An Ansel sharpness filter helps deal with any blurryness, and I cannot get over all the clean lines.. The jaggies are 98% gone.
Or rather than adding sharpening which can remove performance depending on the title (some more than others) try reduce the DSR - Smoothing value from 33% to 20% try it! For a tiny increase in edge aliasing you get a less blurry image. You can experiment with the value.
Thank you very much for your explanation. There is a question I want to ask. I turn on the edge enhancement settings for the game from the Nvidia control panel. I also enable it from the settings in the game itself. So if I turn off anti-aliasing when I enable DLDSR, will I experience a decrease in resolution? If there is no flicker in the resolution and around the edges of the objects and there will be details, I will turn off the anti-aliasing settings. because it drops fps.
This works exceptionally well when you combine it with DLSS. In Dying Light 2 the default antialiasing is very blurry and makes it hard to see things in the distance at 1080p. What I did what DLDSR it up to 1440p then DLSS it back down to 1080p. The result looks like essentially native 1440p which is really impressive, and it a pretty small impact on performance when you compare it to just regular 1080p. I’m super excited to test this on more games
How do I do that aswell?
Interesting stuff! Graphics cards are still not quite in purchasing territory for me yet but it's good to know about these new technologies when one day I can get a card that has them. 2026 perhaps?
Video idea: what makes a machine learning core different to a normal core? and tensor, and all the other types of cores :)
while that would be interesting, I assume it would just be "what is machine learning" since that sounds like an IP and trade secret question
that would be too low level and i don't think they can do it, since they are actually the same..
TLDR;
a small diff. is tensor core don't need huge amounts of cache or bandwitdh to do the same thing but with good enough implementaion normal SIMD can be as efficient as a tensor core for e.g 6800xt RDNA2 int4/int8 is actually faster than even mid-tier turing, so RDNA 2 can run DLSS 2.0+ level algos without a sweat, its all upto the devs...
Best audio in any video from linus tech tips yet.
The background audio is actually audible. Normally to hear the background audio LInus has to be at ear bleed speaking levels.
I JUST tried this for the first time on RDR2 and it looks phenomenal on my 1440p monitor.
Before, the image was quite blurry or aliased depending on the settings (TAA/DLSS).
Now, with the right control panel "smoothness" setting, it's much sharper and truly tricks me into thinking I'm running at native 4k.
Magic!
DLDSR seems very interesting, since it does everything super sampling does, but at a fraction of the FPS cost. If only I could figure out how to use it
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I thought the whole point was that this tech didn't need devs to implement it.
Its compatible with literally any game. Even for the games where it can't run in a fullscreen mode you can just force the windows resolution
Dldsr applies to literally everything. It seems to apply just before the image is sent to your monitor so unless your using geforce experience if you take a screenshot it won't even show up because the screenshot is taken before the effect is applied
Dldsr is compatible with anything
"You'll need an RTX card to take advantage of DLDSR..." so basically it doesn't help anyone stuck on hardware that is not RTX even though some GTX cards were being sold new in 2019.
Use nis
And? Having features that don't work on 2+ year old hardware is nothing new. Even if you can still buy GTX cards new they have been pretty clear that for full feature sets you will need RTX. The only "complaint" to be had here is that up until recently there was no real world use for NEEDING RTX and that is starting to change. I would argue that they could do all the same stuff without the tensor cores when it comes to gaming and they are just trying to unify their enterprise and consumer solutions a bit more, but that is an argument for another day. The point is they have been telling you the difference in RTX and GTX for years, it is a little late to be upset about it, and if you are, AMD cards are doing pretty well. And soon Intel will be a player here with XeSS based solutions that may also fill the gap. Overall it is a pretty exciting time for GPUs, assuming you can get them. (I have purchased 5 different GPUs since the shortages started of various different models, all at MSRP, all for gamers, none scalped. The point in saying this is that you CAN get them, you just can't always get them on the day you wish you could).
@@SuperJatinrajput still not a thing on optimus
@@SuperJatinrajput Tried it looked alot worse then FSR for me
@@ReivecS because when the rtx cards came to the market, it was only really offering fancier new lighting on a small range of games. nobody really wanted to pay money for that. even now, it's not about raytracing itself, but the new cores they're implementing IN the rtx cards.
Please make a video on the amd gpu settings and Nvidia gpu settings (maybe some populair game graphical settings) on what you should turn on to improve ur fps and what you should turn off, maybe a couple recommendations about what would look WAYYY better whiteout that much of an fps decrease aswell. Love your work please keep on doing it.
These things vary wildly from machine to machine and game to game. The closest thing to a widely applicable solution is lowering effects/post-processing and keeping textures high for best visuals to fps ratios.
I was just curious how this works with two or more monitor set ups. I have a 1440p main and 1080p secondary. I tried turning dldsr on with the 2.25x option in Nvidia control panel. In game suddenly the resolution available was the 2.25x amount. When I selected that my game went crazy and spread across both screens with everything on the second monitor being shoved away. Basically un playable. Am I doing something wrong? should I set my main monitors base resolution to be the new 2.25x so they match?
I did some thorough testing and DLDSR is indirectly killing 4k monitors. I have 2 LG ultra gear monitors both at 32", one at 1440p and one 4k. The DLDSR on 1440p on 2.25x (4k) settings has no visual difference I can tell from the other native 4k monitor with, but has significant fps gain. This was tested on all other graphics setting the same.
this is fucking hilarious because I tried this on my shitty ass old 1080p monitor, and the end result is virtually indistinguishable from my native 1440p monitor - aside from my 1440p monitor being more gamer-centric with a higher refresh rate and supporting VRR. Native 1440p looks blurry and jaggy compared to 1080p + DLDSR downscaled 1440p to 1080p.
DLDSR is my favorite feature. It really makes old games look super nice. It's a free visual upgrade. And for newer games with DLSS.. it's great combining DLSS + DLDSR to get a nice clean image.
DLDSR works so much better than standard DSR and it's less expensive when it comes to performance. Also the "smoothness" option in NVCP allows you to scale sharpness to your liking. I went around 55-60% and only use 1.78x DL and the quality is so much better than native.
I agree it's definitely "softer" to point of white text and hard borders looking too blurry. Tried it out for a few minutes then went back to my native resolution.
So, do I have to active it in my NVidia Control Panel "manually"??
Or does it "automatically" activate by its self under some circumstances??
Thanks
This setting is honestly incredible for games that are cpu bottlenecked. I've been running it since it dropped with Escape From Tarkov. I've been using DLDSR on my 1440p monitor and running the game at 4K. The visual difference is staggering. The game honestly doesn't usually look very good on 1440p unless you run TAA which murders your latency. With DLDSR the image is so crisp you basically don't even need AA on at all. The only issue I'm having is where Reserve and Lighthouse exceed my 3080's 10GB of VRAM and it becomes a mess. On those two maps specifically I have to drop back to 1440p.
I have the same issue with my gtx 1070 with 8 gb vram but even Nativ 1080p Resolution does kill my framerate
To compesenate the issue just drop your texture Quality from high to medium, ir even lower
That did it for me and its now playable only with a small decrease of detail
Maybe something to consider
@@chegga_ i have a remedy for the problem. I’m getting a 3090 soon. Have not been impressed with the 3080 specifically for the VRAM. I lost a gig going from a 2080ti to the model that replaced it. Truly dumb.
@@Mavitros dude are you gonna sell the 3080? If so let me know
@@Mavitros yeah nevermind I have 2080ti too didn't read. Lol
Do I need to increase the in-game resolution when using it in Tarkov?
Hey there! I would recommend you do a video on why any storage device which comes with, say 256 GB on the cover, has only about 240 GB of storage. Why do we not get the full storage mentioned on the cover? #suggestion
The remaining space is for synchronizing storage device with computer. Can't remember the exact concise word
Because Windows is displaying GiB and a storage device has printed on it GB. 239GiB = 256 GB, GiB > GB
pretty sure it is due to over provisioning. filling an SSD to full capacity is bad for its health long term, so often times there will be 5 - 10% of the space on it reserved
I’m totally down for more proprietary software comparisons between AMD Nvidia etc.
Kinda curious if AMD or a third party app has an audio noise filtering solution equivalent to Nvidia, and also what Apple’s Metal does relative to the other graphics technologies.
bro that's a fresh background track, dang! Give whoever made the music on this vid a raise lol
DLDSR is the kind of technology I have expected to get out, just upscaling for getting rid of the jaggy pixels and mantain the performance. One other benefit is including in top of that DLSS (as one guy said in this comment section) and FSR for improoving performance, but I expect to do somewhat of a mess as the tensor cores will have to work double the work in order to improove performance-wise combining these techniques.
“Improve” only has one ‘o’, just so you know!
@@LifeWulf oof has two "o" 😂
@mini tomate - I've tested this a quite lot across many resolutions by using different monitors (1440P and 2160P) on a RTX 3090 there is no issue with combining DLSDR and DLSS, it works great! Yes tensor cores have extra work by being used twice but the frame times do not suffer.
and you're telling me all of this is happening in real time?! That's the freaking amazing part!!
DSR has been available for the 700 series cards too back in 2014, but maybe it was added into the drivers once the 900 series launched?
But what's the difference between creating a custom resolution greater than that of the monitor, will I get the same result?
depends on your monitor's display capability as opposed to the computer matching it up with your display
using both DLDSR and DLSS at the same time seems like a stupid idea at first, but I found it really helped get a much better picture in Red Dead Redemption 2. That game is always kinda fuzzy looking when playing at anything under 4k... the edges sometimes look exagerrated and sometimes too soft, it just feels... off... like any moving objects are paper cutouts or something... and specially because the graphics are gorgeous overall in that game it really makes you notice it even more, it's like the developers assumed that everyone was going to be using 4k very soon when they developed it... i use a 1440p monitor as i don't think gaming at 4k is really a realistic option unless maybe if you have a 3080 Ti or 3090.
Using DLDSR 2.25x (which is 4k for if you use 1440p), really sharpens up the image significantly, edges look much more reasonable, and even though it does of course take a significant performance hit, i think it was worth it to make it look that much better... if you tune in the graphics options to reasonable levels... and then on top of that using DLSS to get the fake up the 4k rendering to begin with it saves even a few more FPS, in total it's a pretty massive difference in performance from what you could get from just DSRing from 4k and running without DLSS to begin with.. Alternatively use the built in option for multi-sample AA but it's extremely costly in performance and you really shouldn't turn it on.
The games that Nvidia used in their promotion of this like Prey, I don't see as much of a difference though, Prey has notoriously bad aliasing, as do Dishonored 2 and Dishonored: Death of the Outsider which use the same engine as Prey with minor differences... even when downscaling from very high (over 4k!) resolution you still get jagged edges as if it somehow is aware that it's rendering it for your screen resolution, not sure how it's even possible.
Mans playing 4d chess
To combat scalpers they could just sell direct to the customers like PlayStation did with the PS5. Just need either a history of ownership of a GPU or Steam account with x amount of gaming hours or whatever account you use. One GPU per account or two per household.
Fact check: Playstation 5 is still sold out everywhere (including direct from Sony) and if you want one without wasting hours of your life on Twitter or indefinitely waiting for an invitation to buy you can look forward to spending 200%+ retail on ebay or Amazon.
How, exactly, this differs from graphics cards I'm not sure.
@@tim3172 obviously they’re sold out. Im saying when they were first sold everyone who had a PlayStation subscription we’re able to preorder it from PlayStation directly. Why can’t NVIDIA sell the new 3090ti and 3050 direct to customers instead of us having to try and fight with the scalper bots
If I use DLDSR 2.25x in-game, should I turn off Anti-Aliasing in the in-game options? (I use a native 1440p Monitor) ?
very overlooked feature, 4k x4 with dlss is the way to go with 1080p screens with mid range gpu..
Eh... 1620p is always going to require more juice than 1080p. It's just they were CPU limited
I just hope I could buy a graphic card with reasonable prices.
Buy GTX 1650
when using DLDSR , do i need to change scaling on gpu or to leave it on display scaling , and then do i need keep aspect ratio full screen or no scaling ? if i wanna use 1080p monitor and x1.78 fo dldsr its so confusing
ive never understood DSR. Can someone explain to me the difference between DSR and just changing the Resolution in the NV Control Panel to like 4K? Because in the end my screen just runs at that resolution or am i missing something? My 2ndary monitor gets thrown off because of its different resolution (main 1440, 2nd 1080) and i just dont see the point in it. Thats why i think SSAA is superior until i can understand it better. Thanks in advance :)
So this is essentially DLSS with DSR? So in other words, instead of using DLSS to increase performance and keep the visuals the same, you're keeping performance the same and making the visuals look better?
No, you make visuals look better at a performance hit Example: from 3840X2160 to 5120X2880 you get the visual quality better than 5k at 5k performance hit. i've tested it
@@boffifis1 Ahh I see. Is there no way to keep the res the same and just clean up the image with DLDSR?
@@m.devellis Use custom resolution Possibly then use math to calculate what resolution equals to native when 2.25 or 1.78 is selected maybe it will work.
The example Nvidia used is misleading, the game they used was CPU bottleneck so it made it seem like there's no performance hit.
DLDSR is honestly the thing I'm most excited for regarding an upgrade
Hate to tell you I have an RTX card and the marketing, imcluding this video, is intentionally misleading.
They used prey as an example because at 1080p it was CPU locked. So it makes it appear like DLDSR was running practically for free.
However in actuality, using and and in the text of their materials you will find it's not anywhere close to free.
No, it still costs the same as rendering at a higher resolution, their proposition is that they can make rendering at 1620p look almost as good as rendering at 2160p for a significantly lower cost. However it will still cost drastically more than 1080p.
Running their new DLDSR at their recommended 2.25 scale will more than halve your framerate in any game where your FPS is limited by your GPU instead of your CPU.
This may be a daft question to ask but would the rtx 20s card be able to use this feature without any issues ?
So how do you enable it?
am i missing something? doesnt DSR work like super sampling? that doesnt increase fps it does the opposite
Exactly, it's to make the image sharper at the cost of framerate, just like other forms of anti aliasing. Which is why DLDSR is good, because the framerate cost is more negligible, and the results look just as good, if not better.
@@Exilum i understood this dsr and dldsr thing much better after watching the digital foundry video after this video lol
30 second ad break in the MIDDLE of a 5 minute video. Wow.
So where is this option at ? In the nvidia control panel ? Just got a 3000 series card familiar with dlss in game .
Always love to see DL put to commercial use
This does a pretty poor job of explaining exactly what the DL part of DLDSR is doing and when or how you would get a performance advantage out of it
How you get better performance: Rendering at 1620p instead of 4k => less work needed.
The DL part is just Deep Learning, which is "just that". The end result should be a model that the GPU runs the frames through.
"Works only on RTX cards" - should have lead with that, to be honest.
ofc it does, its to be expected
What is 4x legacy scaling?is that dsr?
On a 1080p should i use 1.78 or 2.25?
I know its not the same but i already use VSR (Virtual Super Resolution on AMD) and honestly in some games it helps alot. For exemple i play on a 1080p monitor but Warzone just looks horrible (especially on distance objects) at 1080p, so i set VSR on and render the game at 1440p and it really makes a difference.
VSR is AMD's equivalent to DSR, it's just a form of SSAA for games that don't have it. The problem with SSAA is that it absolutely kills framerate and requires a lot more VRAM
DLDSR uses AI to do the upscaling without tanking FPS as much
It's basically an efficient AI antialiasing, I have no idea why it took them years to realise there is a huge demand for this
@@KekusMagnus well dlss was initially marketed as antialiasing, and that's what I've been using it for. dlssing above my resolution and have it downscale. looks really good but this could be even better now
@@KekusMagnus It seems that Nvidia using Prey as an example was a bit deceiving. The performance hit is only this small because of a significant CPU bottleneck, obfuscating how costly DLDSR actually is. It's less than regular DSR but it's still a big hit to consider on a game-per-game basis. For CPU bottlenecked scenarios it's an outstanding solution, but in GPU limited scenarios or extremely VRAM hungry games performance can be catastrophically impacted.
Means absolutely nothing to that vast majority of PC gamers out there since most of us don't have RTX cards.
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very informative video thank you
Does DLDSR work in Borderless Windowed mode or only Exclusive Fullscreen?
After getting 3080 I realized how amazing DSR looks.
FINALLY, I have been asking for this since DLSS first came out. In fact, I have been using DSR in combination with DLSS for similar results from day one. lt's good to hear that it's finally becoming an official feature. It really shouldn't have taken Nvidia this long to realise that AI upscaling can be used to make games look better instead of just creating a blurry mess
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Does this work in Space Engineers as well?
Here's a new feature that improves performance on the graphics cards you can't buy anyways.
Nvidia, give us features to keep our 970s going. That's what we are actually using. Old cards.
Vouch. I currently own a 1080 and it's like, "hey, your card is powerful, but f-you anyway !"
Bruh why tf would they put features on cards three gens old plus that cant even use em because of no tensor cores smh
@@eisregenhaha because that's what people actually have and better to keep them on your old product them lose them to a cheaper competitor
@@SinisterSlay1 again, no tensor cores
@@eisregenhaha its not like this is some revolutionary idea. Look at the console market. Devs learn how to squeeze more and more water from that exact same stone for a decade before jumping to the next generation. its not like there aren't still drivers being released for the 1000 series
Linus:"Nvidia just do us a Favor"
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Nvidia: let me remove those pesky MSRPs from our cards and also the 3090Ti is just a Myth
What do you have in you reverse right hand ?
Will it work with openvr like fsr and nis?
Nvidia: *Releases DLDSR*
AMD: *Write that down! Write that down!*
actually amd released their driver-level fsr before nvidia did
Oh this is great news for all the players who want to use it on their GTX cards since they can't get their hands on any RTX cards.
Oh wait it's only for RTX....
Yeah... this is very helpful.
Still had close to 3 years to get a series 2 rtx before the pandemy hit, and the series 3 wasn't in shortage everywhere right away, you could get it at msrp if you looked for it. Can't blame this one on covid.
@@Exilum So if I bought a GTX 1080ti and next year they came out with RTX ... what incentive was there for me to spend a great load of money again?
Absolutely no RTX games, nothing was using DLSS, same perf at higher price.
Then covid hit.
Now ... do you see how stupid your comment was?
@@Bulanesti The first version of DLSS and raytracing were there during the 20 series. The 30 series brought wider support, but it was easy to see the direction it was going to take knowing how nvidia spends its R&D money. They were already back then heavily researching AI applied to graphics, and published papers on their research frequently. Nvidia already was bigger as in the AI space than most specialized companies. You can't tell me that with a release like that, with expectations for further uses, you didn't think about it? The main question for the 20 series everywhere was "is it worth to go RTX", the value of tensor cores had to not only compensate, but overwhelm the value of just putting more shader cores if NVIDIA wanted it to stick. It only made sense. No performance gain = value elsewhere.
@@Exilum And there you have it. Complete and utter nonsense.
So after you already make a significant purchase do you immediately go and do another significant purchase that MAYBE promises that SOMETIME in the future SOME better things.
Please take your head out of nVidia's ass and see reality.
@@Exilum I got my 1070ti in 2018-19 at the time I couldn't afford 20 series card because those card were around 3 times the price of the 1070ti I got at the time. So I think I can blame Covid.
Also it didn't help that many of the 20 series cards had poor review for their price worth.
So when I turn it on do I select the monitor's resolution or the higher ones that become available in game?
Higher one, that's where the visual benefit comes from. More pixels that later get slightly processed and then downscaled
How do I enable the future?
That's misleading. This is only "free" performance for people who already use DSR. if you don't, seems like this does nothing for you
How is that different from DLSS? 🐸
DLSS uses AI which is quicker, looks better, and also can also upscale the image.
It's not upscaling from low resolution to gain performance which is what dlss does, this is scaling down from a much higher resolution so it looks better at the resolution you're viewing it at without any performance gain or loss. If a game supports dlss and you use dldsr you can get a much better image then native+dlss theoretically because you're feeding the AI more detail running at a higher resolution. This is more about graphical fidelity over performance which dlss is used for.
DLSS is a down-sampling tech designed to gain more performance while doing it's best to retain image quality.
DLDSR is a super-sampling technique, which attempts to make the image quality better, while reducing the performance hit of traditional super-sampling methods.
DLDSR is basically the opposite of DLSS...
@@techkid3874 so dlss is better?
DLSS upscales a lower resolution render to native resolution, gives higher performance at the cost of a slight reduction in visual quality.
DLDSR downscales a higher resolution render to native resoltion, gives higher visual quality at the cost of a reduction in performance.
Hmm, what if I already have a 4K monitor but would like to have a better frame rate with that technology because even a 5800X with a 3080 isn't enough in all games for 100-120fps+? Would I need to use the "Resolution Scale" inside the game to lower the setting and then add DSLDSLDL blabla so i would be back at 4K but with better frame rate?
Also not sure if I understood correctly but this needs to be implemented PER game and doesn't work on all games automatically right?
DLDSR works on all games. In your case, you can use NIS (Image Scaling) to lower the render resolution to improve your framerate
what i dont like about the feature is one thing i got a 32:9 so it scales to 7680x2160 thats not really usable but if i want it usable i need to use pbp to get 2560x1440 as native resolution and then dldsr is kinda usefull but alas alot of features turn off if i go pbp leaving me with the meh its enabled but i think i wont use it at all
"FREE" "Performance" , (if you have an RTX card), can the thumbnail and title be more misleading?
EXCEPT ITS B.S.
their 1080p example was in a game that was CPU locked. It is not free, you still suffer the cost of rendering at 1620p their statement is it's supposed to look as good as if you'd rendered at 2160p for only the cost of 1620p
Does DLDSR support adblocker?
Please someone tell me if u are useing DLDSR on 1080p monitor is it even worth to buy 1440p monitor for gaming?
It’s not a “favor” if you need an Nvidia card. A favor would be something the whole industry can use. Clickbait.
DLDSR sounds like JPEG Compression
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How is Nvidia doing us a favor? They developed a new feature for the graphics cards no one can buy to tide us over until we can buy graphics cards again.
I dont know where you live but in my surronding everyone have a rtx 20/30 serie graphics card and i also have a 3070 bought at msrp... if you know how to get one close to msrp its easy it may be a long wait in a queue like evga or new egg but its possible
@@gableclerc9350 So is your logic that people can have RTX cards and are just choosing not to? Or just not trying hard enough?
What kind of idea is that?
@@badreddinekasmi8919 every thing is a choice in life if you really want one yon can.. there is plenty on ebay but they are overprice but still you can buy them🤷♂️
People are complaining beacause they cant go to best buy and get out with a 3070 at msrp... if you are willing to wait you are going to get one at msrp... get in queue and wait... so yess the did choose to not get a rtx gpu. I am not felling bad for them complaining
Another artificially locked out feature for Pascal users...
How is it artificially locked out?
@@oxfordsparky it's artificially locked out when nVidia has shown it running on CUDA
@@TheXlen just because something can be done doesn’t mean it should be done, DLDSR is intended to increase performance not tank it, just like pascal can do raytracing through DirectX but with shocking performance.
@@oxfordsparky except that we know that's not the case, Controls implementation of DLSS was running exclusively on CUDA and it was bringing quite decent performance gains with an approximation NN, with a full NN the performance gains shouldn't be much worse than what we see with Tensors
Does it work on my GTX 1080ti though?
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Does the 3050 can use this feature since this is the lowest end Rtx card now
will it add input lag?
AMD Super Resolution existed for years… -_-
So has DSR.
All the rtx machine learning nonsense is mostly just marketing. Amd fsr works better even on my Nvidia card. Motion looks better with lesser artifacts, higher fps and it has a noise reduction filter to remove the pesky blur that upscaling introduce.
FSR is blurrier than DLSS
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Will this work with a rtx 3050?
Will games soon be like phone cameras where you cannot get a raw photo without the AI “enhancements” plastered on top? Right now we can disable these features but I wonder if it will ever be “always on” in some way.
I've been playing around with DLDSR in RDR2 and Far Cry 6, and combined with DLSS, it improves things very noticeably. In both games, it allows me to dramatically improve the mushy textures I get at native 1440p. I also tried it in Horizon Zero Dawn briefly, with it giving a slight improvement over DSR (without a change in FPS), which I was using before. I love DLDSR so far.
And as a quick and easy summary of what it does (it took me a while to figure this out), one way to look at it is the following: With a 1440p monitor, for example, it basically allows you to downscale from 5k at the same FPS cost as downscaling from 4k. And this difference from 4k to 5k does make a noticeable difference in sharpness and detail on a 1440p monitor... without any further FPS cost.
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So what if I have 2K monitor with 3060TI and newest games start to dropped in terms of fps and I downscale the res to 1080p? Is it gonna still good picture like on a native 1080p monitor ?
it will practically look the same but it will feel worse because the extra monitor res will make the lower resolution more apparent. But tbh 99% of it is the res is lower and the monitor having higher res doesn't matter. In fact, you'll see things better on the 1440p monitor, and you'll simultenously also see the blure better. So you'll see better but feel worse about it because it will remind your brain of what couldv'e been there. BUT! if you just accept it kumbaya then you'll stop obsessing about it.