MSSR 2023 | Panel Discussion: The Wolfowitz Doctrine and the Tragedy of US-Russian Relations
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- At the Monterey Summer Symposium 2023, held in Armenia and Georgia from July 2 to July 18, 2023, distinguished speakers Anatol Lieven, Thomas Graham, and Hanna Notte engaged in a thought-provoking discussion on the Wolfowitz doctrine and the profound complexities surrounding US-Russian Relations. This enlightening dialogue was organized by the Monterey Initiative in Russian Studies, Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey.
Anatol Lieven, the director of the Eurasia Program at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, has held various esteemed positions throughout his career. Dr. Lieven has contributed as a journalist, historian, and author, among other books, of Ukraine and Russia: A Fraternal Rivalry.
Thomas Graham, distinguished fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Among other positions, Dr. Graham served as special assistant to the US president and senior director for Russia on the National Security Council staff from 2004 to 2007, during which he managed a White House-Kremlin strategic dialogue. He was director for Russian affairs on the staff from 2002 to 2004. Dr. Graham is a co-founder of the Russian, East European, and Eurasian studies program at Yale University.
Hanna Notte, senior research associate at the Vienna Center for Disarmament and Non-Proliferation and a senior associate (non-resident) in the Europe, Russia, and Eurasia Program at the Center for Strategic & International Studies.
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Tom is incorrect about US beneficence
The Wolfowitz Doctrine and its overreliance on military force, along with the promotion of unilateralism, draw parallels with the concept of Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny, a 19th-century belief in the inevitability and righteousness of American westward expansion, was often draped in the cloak of supposed American exceptionalism and its role as a global leader. Critics argue that the doctrine advocates for U.S. intervention in various regions worldwide, potentially leading to increased U.S. military involvement in numerous conflicts. Furthermore, the doctrine's emphasis on preventing the emergence of rival superpowers has been criticized for its potential to create tensions and conflicts with other nations, particularly with rising powers like China. Amen.
manifest destiny was simply a euphenism for white supremacy.
The USA is criminal Empire from ground zero, collective Europeans (WHITE), sailed the world, stole lands, minerals etc, enslaved populations, raped men, women and children, cats and dogs, annihilated Millions of people their SEEDS wiped out forever, established Immigration Laws to secure their STOLEN wealth. The very Justice System is corrupt to the CORE...The Chief Justice at present sat in a case he should have recused himself from, but he didn't, because it involved his WIFE. 😠. Russia on the other hand, came to the well known UNGRATEFUL USA twice in it's PHYILTHY HISTORY. The only thing @$$ WHOLES have against Russia, is STALIN....ha ha ha ha ha ha not another phucking thing else, they have NO history of sailing the WORLD, and PHUCKING people over. I am SOOOOOOOO glad for BRICS and their new CURRENCY, i hope to be alive to see the TOTAL DEMISE of the US Dollar.
I think we should stop worrying about the U.S. and focus more on Europe's weaknesses - which have allowed the U.S. to move into a kind of vacuum of power. For Europe to be strong, it has to move on from the concept of "ever closer union" and devise a structure that builds on the strengths of individual European nations rather than seeking to repress or supplant them. Radical change is needed, including a relocation of the European Commission and Parliament from the "NATO-ridden" Brussels to a more central venue. Firm limits must be set on EU competencies. The natural alliance with Russia needs to be reinvigorated, with a far greater detachment from the U.S. Essentially, Europe should strive for equidistance from the U.S. and China.
This is anachronistic though. The hope that Russia will simply stop invading countries is misplaced and ironically is one of the remnants by the "blob" that they're talking about. We lost the window of opportunity for a democratic Russia in the early 2000s, any amount of money that they get now will go towards military expansionism and the army, not towards development. If in ten years Putin dies and in his place comes a Navalny that builds democratic institutions, then we can have this conversation again. Until then, the "natural alliance" with Russia will not exist
@@fra604 It may be a shorter time period. Even if we have to wait 15 years for a post-Putin Russia, we Europeans need to move now to make the necessary changes, so that we can immediately benefit from the opportunities that will undoubtedly present themselves. Most Russians acknowledge even now the existence of a natural alliance between Europe and Russia. Indeed, many of course believe Russia is an inseparable part of Europe. Only in alliance with Europe can Russia maintain its position on the world stage in the long term. The U.S. has proven itself incapable of partnership. And while R's relationship with China is currently good, the imbalances in that relationship inevitably pose a significant risk - unless Russia has a safe hinterland in Europe.
Hilarious how every point you made was fine until you mentioned Russia, at that point this just became propaganda
@@Big_Caesar1 Putin will not be around for ever. A post-Putin Russia and a restructured Europe could be a perfect match. Only time will tell. This is a possible scenario (am not saying it's a given).
“We (the USA government) don’t want a multipolar world” 😂 too late.
There’s nothing more dictatorial and autocratic than USA’s international policies and interventions.
There is no multipolar world. Only the US can project military power abroad
Germany becoming even MORE subservient to USA is not change, it is degradation.
Germany relies on us because they are too afraid to militarize in the face of Russian aggression. We are not.
I'd ask you to interview the undoubted leader of the Armenians of Karabakh, an outstanding financier and thinker - Ruben Vardanyan. What does he think about the fact that he is wanted by both Azerbaijan and Ukraine on charges of financing liberation movements in Karabakh, DPR and LPR. Interpol has already received a request from these countries for his illegal detention. Will the Grand Duke of Liechtenstein, the Grand Duke of Monaco and Charles III protect him, they wanted to fly to Karabakh? Why don't they fly? Where is he going now? To Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Turkey?
To the dungeons of Azerbaijan 😂
@@அவானிஉயர்ந்தது Already there)))
Where did they find that angry bird?
It is amazing non of them talk about south america or Africa .
His book PAKISTAN: A HARD COUNTRY is in my opinion a very worthwhile read.
Ready to pick up the “Blob”’s pieces?
Personally, I have no idea how someone from Quincy kept his head from exploding as the other panelists spoke; his rejoinder probably let off some pressure
Is the national liberation army trying in the rocky mountains
Lieven should not be allowed to run something like this, horribly rude and ineffective.
product placement, Apple everywhere, if course unintentional.
57:00 The OSS and DoS did have the correct view about Vietnamese nacionalism right after the war. According to a 1980s PBS series on the Vietnam Conflict, what happened was the European desk took over decisions on SE Asia because they feared communist parties winning elections in France, for instance. (Info comes from interviews with dimplomats who were in Vietnam right after the war).
The world is inundated w blobs. IMF, IPC, Swift, OPEC, BIS, EU, WHO, WEF, Davos, NATO, Bill Gates Foundation, NAVI, Soros Foundation, NED, RNC, DNC, Think tanks, "charitable foundations (tax havens)"...I couldn't possibly list them all but let your critical thinking skills explore the various flavors of blob. I'm sure you'll find many other examples.
Always listen to Lieven....it seems his comments on Poland obscure his wider comments by some people😮
...'obscure his wider comments by some people'
For some people it seems, Lieven's analytical acuity is overlooked due to his remarks on Poland.
My man is proud to say he supported Pakistan to support the Taliban. Totally evil.
Anatol Lieven seems to be the only voice of reason in the panel.
Even dictatorships learn from their mistakes, not just democracies. Usually, when states are created, they undemocratically intervene in all areas in order to create control over the narrative in the future. The USA had to become an elitist country with very difficult access to political influence, due to mass immigration, which otherwise would have taken on so much influence that it would not be possible to assimilate them. Even when they were establishing new federal states, the two political parties divided the area in which they would develop their political influence. From the very beginning, they clearly knew that through the system they could assimilate the political orientation of the settled immigrants on their terms.
We all know by now that US is anything but democracy
Yep, you do support the narrative of the adversary
"The adversary"? There goes any idea that you are a reasonable or sane person.
It’s interesting to hear the opinion of the more experienced in the room. However, to have to listen to teenage girls is painful.
Blablabla,say as it is intaed
The first speaker was the most boring dumb speech I have ever heard. It was pointless.
I gave up at the 4 minute mark!
If you thought that speech was bad, I’ve got bad news for you: the other two speeches are much worse.
It is not tragedy it is an achievement of America on its path to become great again.
It was the greatest power in the 1990s. The Wolfowitz/Bush doctrine has done irreparable damage to its reputation: in the middle east, Africa, Latin America, Russia, China. It's estimatedthat over 4.5 million people have been killed in post 9/11 war zones, and more than 38 million people have been displaced. While two thirds of the world has endured sanctions. ISIS was unleashed by the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen have faced famine and disease. Syrian oil rich land is illegally occupied by the US and sanctions prevent reconstruction. The annual defence budget of the US is nearing a Trillion dollars.
Too bad everyone will be a heap of radioactive ash by the time America will become great again.
Lieven, both immature and impolite!
Something one should expect from a Russia`s apologist
The truth is impolite.
@@stan_hiztrite.
Wait, only white people know this ?
Which bit?