I am a 76 year old American and a life long Democrat. At minute 14:25 the Budapest Memorandum was mentioned but just in passing and I just don't understand why more emphasis is not put on this. Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for a security pledge from the US. Ukraine had the third or fourth largest nuclear arsenal in the world at the time; in my opinion, this was a REALLY big deal. Let's just think about that for a minute. It is like China voluntarily giving up nuclear weapons today and not attacking any of its neighbors for a minimum of 30 years. This kind of act makes the world SIGNIFICANTLY safer. In my opinion, when Russia invaded Crimea and the Donbas in 2014, the US had a sacred duty to come immediately to Ukraine's aid militarily and otherwise to push the Russians out. Obama, Trump, Biden and the American people have not honored that sacred military and diplomatic pledge. We Americans are morally required to go all in now in Ukraine, including especially soldiers as well as the needed equipment, supplies, etc. to push Russia out, provide a buffer or demilitarized zone and rebuild Ukraine
Interesting comment. Putin actually announced his intentions in 2003. Add George W. to your list of presidents that screwed up. The presidents you mentioned have been some of the worst in our nation's history. It appears 2024, unless there is a miracle, will be another step down in American competence and leadership regardless of who wins. One thing we have to take into context is that the growing democracy and less corrupt government we see today in Kiev, was not true many years ago. Our MO of pouring cash into corrupt governments such as Cuba, Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, the PLO, does not have a good track record. Also, was not Russia a guarantor of Ukraine's security? There is plenty of blame for the situation in Ukraine. Perhaps had we not spent so much time, blood, and treasure in failed efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, we might have been better positioned mentally and financially to insert ourselves into Ukraine. You can probably rightfully so lay the current Ukraine debacle at the feet of of George W. Bush, his brilliant secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld, and heartless VP Dick Cheney.
You misconstrue what an international treaty is , the wording and subject are not what matter signing an agreement demonstrate a positive attitude with the others signatories if one of the signatories feel such positive attitude doesn't apply anymore the treaty is discarded as a sad memory of what could have been this a well established practice of all countries including the US government P.S..... the guy is good , lot of deep understanding
I'm from Latin America and I do agree with you but not because of the Budabest Memorandum itself but for the events that lead to the invasion. The Memorandum's text says the signatories should give material support to Ukraine in case of conventional war - the whole security guarantee was only in case of a nuclear attack. Ukraine only accepted the agreement because there was a financial aid tied to it indirectly. To be clear, I do agree with you and you show the kind of American moral that represents the best the country has to offer. Note: I'd recommend you to look into a book called "Taking Stock of Shock" - there are lectures by the authors available on youtube. It's about the 1990s crisis not only in Russia but in the whole region.
If you start off with the premise that Ukraine is winning the whole discussion is pointless. Ukraine has lost 20% of its territory but Winning ! If any country that loses that much land they are my friend by definition not winning
The host is an absolute fool. His smirk as he finished his question regarding Russian delusion about defeating Ukraine was a particularly ironic moment. Very funny when Kimmage basically answered, "what delusion ? Putin is winning."
For me it's all about the children. Never forget all of the Russians who abused children and their families in Ukraine. From the mass graves (in Izium) to the stolen children. Now if Ukrainian parents don't become Russian citizens and go to flight against their brothers and cousins Russia will take their newborn children at birth. Speaking of Izium. What did those 414 people see? The Russians thought it was better to murder them and bury them all in a mass grave instead of letting them testify. Whatever they saw must have been truly horrific. At minimum I'm guessing rape and torture. If Russia want's to sign😅 a treaty they must first prove they will stand by one. If Russia wants to negotiate, start with your original written agreement. Pull back all of their troops back behind their original boarder and then you can start negotiations. If they don't show they will honor the original agreement how can you expect them to honor any further agreements. It's our war to lose. Russia can NOT win. Unless we choose to not support Ukraine of course. It is on us in the global West to pick the world we want to live in. Choose wisely. Thanks. Glory to Ukraine. God Bless Ukraine and her people. 🇺🇦🇺🇸
It's a rare occasion when questions are better than answers. Writing a book dismissing the role of NATO enlargement in this conflict is not a question of a particular view. It's just one of major reasons why the war started. The possibility of reparations is ridiculous as well. It means russian capitulation. It's just not going to happen. There many small misunderstandings as well.
Respectfully disagree. Russia never had any intention of living up to the Budapest or Minsk agreements without control over the Ukrainian government. NATO enlargement is a convenient scapegoat for the ambitions of an empire to dominate its neighbors. Russia basically just throws excuses for imperial expansion against the wall until it finds one that sticks. It is changing international borders through military force, breaking the UN Charter, which is the issue they work hard to get us to forget.
No it's not. It's a justification, but not a reason. NATO hasn't meaningfully expanses in 20 years. The war is entirely because Putin failed to install puppet regime in 2014. It's ridiculous to blame the invasion of a country on the expansion of a defensive alliance that had already roundly rejected Ukraine as a member.
With respect sir your timeline is a little off the two states that entered NATO accession the entire process happened under the Biden Administration Trump was gone in 2020 they began accession talks in 2022 36:5036:50
"They don't seem to interconnect all that much". LOL - here's an academic who has as much interest in Hunter Biden and his bizarre role on the Board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company as the average Washington Post journalist.
A senseless war for Russia, which defends its people and borders? What nonsense are you talking about. Apart from the destruction of Russia and the Russian states, I believe that for the USA this war against Russia is completely pointless and I do not understand what such a pointless effort is after knowing that these are unattainable US goals.
Did you forget those infamous 14 points? Or see them as obsolete? Then why do the current US admin is so nasty in following that suit? Isn't it the time to grasp those real and still important origins of back then and now and present?
At this point unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender.
I disagree and am less inclined these days to jump on any attractive looking bandwagon. Everyones narrative is going to be different. The trick to a more productive future is having leaders that are willing to sit down and come to terms on a shared reality given these differences. Watch a lot of this type of think tank/security forum/policy making content and you start to see that these are all by and large good people trying to chart a course through uncertainty. The good ones are open to discourse and are less fanatical with respect to ideology.
@@DwynAgGaire good people causing wars is tragic. It would have been better to negotiate with Russia prior to the start of the war. The West was convinced that we could quickly beat Russia and once and for all, knock Russia off the ranks of the great powers. Tragic.
@@DwynAgGaire. Tragic good intentions. The west thought we could, once and for all, beat Russia and knock them out of the ranks of the great powers. So now, we have the tragic situation in Ukraine. The smart people at the think thanks could not design an alternative?
@@richiesd1 It appears that the US executive has been lead by the nose by a sect of the policy making intelligentsia aka the neocons, who have a very limited view of reality.
They talk a lot about 'starting point'. I believe it is not a point. It is a condition of the mind. The problem is, that the Russian society as a whole has that backward and toxic notion - on one hand they are not some regular people, but a special nation, different from any other, that must live in a great country, because this is their destiny. And on the other hand, that the greatness of your country is achieved by dominating and subduing by force your neighbor or perceived adversary. When this is the world view of significant percentage of the population, it's only a matter of time for a Putin type to appear. Especially having in mind, that many Russian people still believe, that concentrating power in the hands of an all-dominant powerful figure is a viable way to govern a country.
Sounds more like you are discribing USA, wasn't it them who desided that the whole Western hemisphare was their zone of interest.😂😂 And since then they moved on to the entire world.
I am a 76 year old American and a life long Democrat. At minute 14:25 the Budapest Memorandum was mentioned but just in passing and I just don't understand why more emphasis is not put on this. Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for a security pledge from the US. Ukraine had the third or fourth largest nuclear arsenal in the world at the time; in my opinion, this was a REALLY big deal. Let's just think about that for a minute. It is like China voluntarily giving up nuclear weapons today and not attacking any of its neighbors for a minimum of 30 years. This kind of act makes the world SIGNIFICANTLY safer. In my opinion, when Russia invaded Crimea and the Donbas in 2014, the US had a sacred duty to come immediately to Ukraine's aid militarily and otherwise to push the Russians out. Obama, Trump, Biden and the American people have not honored that sacred military and diplomatic pledge. We Americans are morally required to go all in now in Ukraine, including especially soldiers as well as the needed equipment, supplies, etc. to push Russia out, provide a buffer or demilitarized zone and rebuild Ukraine
You are correct.
I’m a lifelong Dem as well and I agree with you.
Interesting comment. Putin actually announced his intentions in 2003. Add George W. to your list of presidents that screwed up. The presidents you mentioned have been some of the worst in our nation's history. It appears 2024, unless there is a miracle, will be another step down in American competence and leadership regardless of who wins. One thing we have to take into context is that the growing democracy and less corrupt government we see today in Kiev, was not true many years ago. Our MO of pouring cash into corrupt governments such as Cuba, Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, the PLO, does not have a good track record. Also, was not Russia a guarantor of Ukraine's security? There is plenty of blame for the situation in Ukraine. Perhaps had we not spent so much time, blood, and treasure in failed efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, we might have been better positioned mentally and financially to insert ourselves into Ukraine. You can probably rightfully so lay the current Ukraine debacle at the feet of of George W. Bush, his brilliant secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld, and heartless VP Dick Cheney.
You misconstrue what an international treaty is , the wording and subject are not what matter
signing an agreement demonstrate a positive attitude with the others signatories
if one of the signatories feel such positive attitude doesn't apply anymore the treaty is discarded as a sad memory of what could have been
this a well established practice of all countries including the US government
P.S..... the guy is good , lot of deep understanding
I'm from Latin America and I do agree with you but not because of the Budabest Memorandum itself but for the events that lead to the invasion. The Memorandum's text says the signatories should give material support to Ukraine in case of conventional war - the whole security guarantee was only in case of a nuclear attack. Ukraine only accepted the agreement because there was a financial aid tied to it indirectly.
To be clear, I do agree with you and you show the kind of American moral that represents the best the country has to offer.
Note: I'd recommend you to look into a book called "Taking Stock of Shock" - there are lectures by the authors available on youtube. It's about the 1990s crisis not only in Russia but in the whole region.
If you start off with the premise that Ukraine is winning the whole discussion is pointless. Ukraine has lost 20% of its territory but Winning ! If any country that loses that much land they are my friend by definition not winning
The host is an absolute fool. His smirk as he finished his question regarding Russian delusion about defeating Ukraine was a particularly ironic moment. Very funny when Kimmage basically answered, "what delusion ? Putin is winning."
Russian bot presence is strong in these comments.
For me it's all about the children. Never forget all of the Russians who abused children and their families in Ukraine. From the mass graves (in Izium) to the stolen children. Now if Ukrainian parents don't become Russian citizens and go to flight against their brothers and cousins Russia will take their newborn children at birth.
Speaking of Izium. What did those 414 people see? The Russians thought it was better to murder them and bury them all in a mass grave instead of letting them testify. Whatever they saw must have been truly horrific. At minimum I'm guessing rape and torture.
If Russia want's to sign😅 a treaty they must first prove they will stand by one. If Russia wants to negotiate, start with your original written agreement. Pull back all of their troops back behind their original boarder and then you can start negotiations. If they don't show they will honor the original agreement how can you expect them to honor any further agreements.
It's our war to lose. Russia can NOT win. Unless we choose to not support Ukraine of course. It is on us in the global West to pick the world we want to live in. Choose wisely. Thanks.
Glory to Ukraine. God Bless Ukraine and her people. 🇺🇦🇺🇸
@@mikes989 ти піздиш русский дружок
I think its nonsense ...,?
@@mikes989 then why did they have their hands tied behind their backs?
@@mikes989 and what pray tell is ultranaxis?
For the real reason search and watch 'US senator says Ukraine is 'gold mine' with $12 trillion of minerals West 'can't afford to lose'
It's a rare occasion when questions are better than answers. Writing a book dismissing the role of NATO enlargement in this conflict is not a question of a particular view. It's just one of major reasons why the war started. The possibility of reparations is ridiculous as well. It means russian capitulation. It's just not going to happen. There many small misunderstandings as well.
Respectfully disagree. Russia never had any intention of living up to the Budapest or Minsk agreements without control over the Ukrainian government. NATO enlargement is a convenient scapegoat for the ambitions of an empire to dominate its neighbors. Russia basically just throws excuses for imperial expansion against the wall until it finds one that sticks. It is changing international borders through military force, breaking the UN Charter, which is the issue they work hard to get us to forget.
No it's not. It's a justification, but not a reason. NATO hasn't meaningfully expanses in 20 years. The war is entirely because Putin failed to install puppet regime in 2014. It's ridiculous to blame the invasion of a country on the expansion of a defensive alliance that had already roundly rejected Ukraine as a member.
Maybe you could mention guarantees USA and many other countries gave to Ukraine in exchange for nuclear weapons? It's not important??
Imo there is a 4th axis which is the US dollar.
With respect sir your timeline is a little off the two states that entered NATO accession the entire process happened under the Biden Administration Trump was gone in 2020 they began accession talks in 2022 36:50 36:50
"They don't seem to interconnect all that much".
LOL - here's an academic who has as much interest in Hunter Biden and his bizarre role on the Board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company as the average Washington Post journalist.
I expected this 'conversation' to be a wee bittie biased. Sorry, no book sale here.
A senseless war for Russia, which defends its people and borders? What nonsense are you talking about. Apart from the destruction of Russia and the Russian states, I believe that for the USA this war against Russia is completely pointless and I do not understand what such a pointless effort is after knowing that these are unattainable US goals.
Why is every phrase uttered by the host a question? It's intensely annoying.
If you think this is a senseless war to Russia, I now know you are a terrible historian and you have therefore written a terrible book.
Please avoid the passive voice. Obama chose not to honor the Budapest Memorandem. (I now regret having voted for him.)
Did you forget those infamous 14 points? Or see them as obsolete? Then why do the current US admin is so nasty in following that suit? Isn't it the time to grasp those real and still important origins of back then and now and present?
ukraine coup
Rusify ?.USify ?.delusify.?😅
At this point unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender.
that's correct, huilo (also known as putin) is still alive ((
@@Virtus555 they just suck...all the three day...oh wait there are actually years...)))
@@Virtus555 write more it's right as it goes))
Boring western biased POV. John Mearsheimer’s analysis is much more direct and truthful.
I disagree and am less inclined these days to jump on any attractive looking bandwagon. Everyones narrative is going to be different. The trick to a more productive future is having leaders that are willing to sit down and come to terms on a shared reality given these differences. Watch a lot of this type of think tank/security forum/policy making content and you start to see that these are all by and large good people trying to chart a course through uncertainty. The good ones are open to discourse and are less fanatical with respect to ideology.
@@DwynAgGaire good people causing wars is tragic. It would have been better to negotiate with Russia prior to the start of the war. The West was convinced that we could quickly beat Russia and once and for all, knock Russia off the ranks of the great powers. Tragic.
@@DwynAgGaire. Tragic good intentions. The west thought we could, once and for all, beat Russia and knock them out of the ranks of the great powers. So now, we have the tragic situation in Ukraine. The smart people at the think thanks could not design an alternative?
@@richiesd1 It appears that the US executive has been lead by the nose by a sect of the policy making intelligentsia aka the neocons, who have a very limited view of reality.
Mearsheimer sells you putin’s blackmailing, it can hardly be called “analysis”.
What a nonsense
This discussion has no fact, is plainly a Putin bashing session . No value. LoL
I managed 9 minutes before I gave up.
Disappointingly unenlightening and a total waste of time.
They talk a lot about 'starting point'. I believe it is not a point. It is a condition of the mind. The problem is, that the Russian society as a whole has that backward and toxic notion - on one hand they are not some regular people, but a special nation, different from any other, that must live in a great country, because this is their destiny. And on the other hand, that the greatness of your country is achieved by dominating and subduing by force your neighbor or perceived adversary. When this is the world view of significant percentage of the population, it's only a matter of time for a Putin type to appear. Especially having in mind, that many Russian people still believe, that concentrating power in the hands of an all-dominant powerful figure is a viable way to govern a country.
All countries have hegemonic ambitions and the desire for their sphere of influence, if they have the ability to so so.
Sounds more like you are discribing USA, wasn't it them who desided that the whole Western hemisphare was their zone of interest.😂😂 And since then they moved on to the entire world.
Following your logic means Russia is trying to become the USA. Exceptional and special status in the world, if you disagree, buy yourself a mirror 👍🏽
@@niklasnorberg5071 👍I completely agree!
Yankee Doodle always loses
Bunch of crap