Eh not really. After watching The Penguin I still can see fantastical villains done well in this universe and that wouldn't be too jarring. But it's not the direction Matt Reeves wants to go with.
Fans want a bunch of nostalgia bait and fanservices themselves to ruin their stories and when they do ruin everything because of it, they all go "Noo stop! We didn't asked for this!!" Its like that scene from Spongebob where he explodes on Mr.Crabs because Crabs keep asking him stuff, and then goes "I didn't asked for this!" when said stuff don't work out.
I respect the opinion that Pattinson’s Batman should be kept separate, but I don’t really see the issue of his being the DCU Batman. Iron Man started off relatively grounded in reality in the MCU, but his story culminated in fighting a muscular raisin from space.
Because Battinson is intentionally very grounded. That guy would not stand a chance against actual aliens. Iron Man was willing to be much more cartoony and out there, so it is easier to accept him in the same world as gods and super soldiers.
Because Reeves doesn't wanna have fantastical elements on his batman and if that's what he wants more power to him. I want DCU batman to be fighting off monsters like Clayface and Manbat, and have his lil batfamily with Nightwing and Robin
Iron-Man fought off an army of terrorists, blew up their camps and survived two fighter jets swarming him, including a tank that blew him up from the sky. His suit is what gives that flexibility between realism and fantasy, giving the perception that most likely will win in every fight if judging realistically. Battison, on the other hand, barely secures that perception. Most of his fights are unpredictable, sometimes dirty and often lead to mistakes that could end him on the spot, like the moment when he got stabbed near the end or when he barely managed to survive the glide from the tower. Compare it to Batffleck, who is pumped up a bit passing the line of normal human, you'll know what I mean...
Iron Man isn't as grounded though. From movie one, he's flying around in a metal suit powered by an arc reactor. While more sci-fi than some of the other aspects of the MCU, it is still fantastical.
I honestly agree as someone who loves the Batman and is very excited for this Superman. I definitely feel like the dcu will have a world that just doesn’t mesh with the gritty, hype realistic vision of Matt reeves. Can’t wait to see a fantastical Batman who fits in with the world around him!
I disagree. What I love about comics is how such starkly different vibes happen in the same universe. From cosmic to grounded to supernatural and so on. I don't want Reeves' Batman to be the DCU Batman though
If they worlds collide it's gonna be strange, or straight up bad because it just don't fit If it doesn't collide, them what's the point? Marvel brought this idea that everything needs to connect yo everything
I agree that the tones can exist in the same world but I still want a different DCU Batman. I prefer my more fantastical Batman to be the one for the long haul. I think Reeves should be left to do what he wants instead of shifting his vision.
Yea, stuff can have different tones, but there’s still some level of cohesiveness that is required. If we’re getting a Superman with trunks, then we should get a batman with trunks. After all, Arkham asylum and city batman had trunks. And it should be a batman that deals with actual super powered villains. A Riddler that isn’t afraid to be the riddler, and not just the zodiac killer. A Batman universe where the other characters (like catwoman) have proper costumes too, not just Batman himself.
Reeves has said multiple times already that he doesn’t want his universe to be a part of the DCU. Anytime someone says “bro we NEED them to be together” it just makes me laugh because even the creator of The Batman doesn’t what them to be in the same universe
I disagree. I think that you could very easily integrate the "grounded" world of The Batman into the larger DCU. The same thing happened with BTAS. Plus, why take a gamble on making a new Batman that may or may not work when you already have quite frankly THE perfect Batman. The only valid counterpoint I see to this is just the fact that if Matt Reeves wants to keep his whole movie universe separate for reasons of artistic integrity, then both James and us the fans should respect that if he ultimately doesn’t want anything to do with the larger DCU. That being said, no one can deny a Pattinson Batman being best friends with Corenswet Superman on-screen wouldn’t be the best thing ever.
Still doesn’t make sense timeline wise. It’s said that the Bat family is already gonna be fully established in the DCU so it wouldn’t make sense that a young Bruce has already had all four of his most iconic Robins, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Damian Wayne along with other bat family members. I would love Pattinson to be DCU’s Batman but James Gunn and Matt Reeves would have rewrite a TON of future stuff.
No, it absolutely would not be the best thing ever, this makes 0 sense whatsoever. Let the Matt reeves Batman be its own thing, we need a new Batman to fit into whatever universe James Gunn is building. All thus talk about “don’t gamble on a new Batman that might not work” the same thing could have been said before Pattinson took over, and yet we got him, or any new Batman. This is not a point at all, let someone else come in and if anything we the fans win having 2 dope new Batman versions in film to look forward to, i see nothing wrong with this
No, the same thing did not happen in the DCAU. Both btas and super man tas had their characters in simple cloth costumes (trunks and all), both series had light hearted stories and mature stories (mature does not equal dark and gritty), both shows still had fantastical elements, and both shows fully embraced the comic book roots of the characters (the villains still had their wacky suits and gimmicks). Matt Reeves’ Batman is grounded and gritty. No super powered beings so far. Batman is the only one that actually wears a comic book like suit (and even then, they modernized it to be all tactical and armor), villain gimmicks are downplayed to be more serious (riddler’s suit, the zodiac killer inspirations, the lack of penguin umbrella tricks). Meanwhile, the new Superman already has tons of silly out there characters (like krypto), characters that actually have powers, more comic book inspired designs, etc
I for one am tired of Batman in his early career. Give me the Batfamily in life action already! And that is impossible with Matt Revves Batman who is in his year 2
You're telling of what MOS was supposed to be is incorrect, it was never it's own thing. Infact, MOS wasn't even DC's first attempt at a Cinematic Universe post MCU. Green Lantern was actually supposed to be the start of a cinematic universe. But when that film flopped they quickly realised they needed to start with more of a sure thing so they made Man Of Steel. You also never actually said *why* The Batman can't be the main universe Batman, and the answer is that there is no reason. This is the most definitve adaption of the character outside of BTAS and Arkham. The whole selling point of James Gunn's universe is that, while everything is connected, everything is going to have it's own tone and creative vision much like the comics. And then you can have these clashing tones come together to create something like the Justice League. In the comics these crossovers are intresting BECAUSE of the differences, not despite them. So Batman not being exactly like Superman is WHY he should be in that universe.
If you want a reason, here's the reason. The Batman is too grounded. It's literally named "epic crime saga". There's very little likelihood of this Batman fighting metahumans like Poison Ivy or Clayface, and that's a good thing, because it's supposed to be more realistic. But while clashing tones is fine, clashing ideas isn't. You couldn't have The Batman existing in a world with gods and monsters. It would devalue his story. A larger than life DCU, which is what Gunn is shooting for, needs a larger than life Batman. A guy whose villains have insane and elaborate plots, not just "kill a bunch of corrupt politicians and blow up the Gotham sea wall". No disrespect to The Batman, it's an incredible movie. But it wouldn't work in a world where an alien dressed in red and blue could fly in and stop the flooding.
Nah MOS was standalone. Then they pivoted after the success of marvel. They were trying to copy the theme of Dark Knight but ended up with Marvel copy. I am old af. I remember.
Why should we see another Batman in his 50s team up with a young supes? We’ve seen that SO MANY TIMES and it’s almost never worked out. Man, i just want to see Batman and Superman be friends, allies, make jokes together, fight crime together, go to a coffee shop and… just like the DCAU, why should Batman always be the same age as Clark’s father? The actors are around the same age, have chemistry being friends irl and it’s not like Reeves doesn’t have 0 experience with fantasy? His best movies were about talking monkeys taking over the world for god’s sake
The whole point of Batman in the ensemble is the fact he’s very different tonally…. That’s what makes DC unique. Everything is in the same universe but feels like it’s own separate tones too. Batman in his comics has a very similar tone, and Superman’s is very much upbeat… their contrast is what makes it so interesting.
Bro you don’t get batman Matt reeves batman is a different version of batman he’s not like how Batman should be in the dcu where all the characters are established and Matt reeves doesn’t want this either because it doesn’t work at all
@@Coconut_Prrson But that’s just it, imagine a Batman starting grounded and working his way towards fantastical and having people like Superman enter his world. It’s literally perfect potential.
I can't understand how someone can say "but batman and superman have different tones in the comics too" and just straight up forget the fact comics also have isolated stories that don't connect with the original time line "We already have a perfect batman why risk on another" that's straight up corporate bullshit, coming from the mouth of fans, Pattinson is perfect because the entire world and lore revolves around him, the thematic, the tone, everything works on favor of his story and character development, just dragging him into whatever craziness gunn in cooking is just a stupid wet dream Gunn can easily come up with a good batman, I would personally like a more theatrical take, like Tim Burton's batman
it’s almost like having stuff connected like peanut butter and jelly is better than having everything in its own separate house. I will never understand the backwards take of having things separate for the sake of having it separate.
I disagree for one big reason; having two different Batmen airing around the same time is bad for fandom and movie business, think about how many casual cinema fans will be confused. And either way Batman NEEDS to move away from being grounded in reality, we haven't had a fantastical Batman sine forever
But Reeve's Batman is already extremly grounded, and not in a way where you could start introducing fantastical elements on the level Gunn would want into his verse. So we should have a seperate Batman that will be fantastical and a grounded Batman whose story is not being tied down by a large universe
I personally think we haven't gotten enough grounded batman. There's so many good villains that we haven't seen on screen. The problem is that they keep repeating the same villains
It’s more fun that way. What’s the point of giving the Riddler and Penguin a makeover and completely changing who they are just to add magical plants or a beefed up crocodile later. It would wreck the whole foundation. You don’t want that
@kangrooonot really plus Batman starts off as realistic but he eventually moves on from being realistic to a superhero and Matt reeves Batman can fit that really well
@khizeryusufzai2185 yeah, i mean like, lets say brave and the bold comes out in 2027-2028, the actor they cast would PROBABLY be like, 34-36? and corenswet would be, wow, would you look at that, 35!
I'm kinda mixed on the idea. I think it would be a good way to save on finance instead of using it to make another Batman movie, but also it would be bad for the two universes established as they might conflict with each other in tone and lore.
I share your concerns, but I don't really buy the "Reeves' and Gunn's stories are tonally incompatible" argument. Gunn stated multiple times that he will sacrifice perfect continuity if it gives each director the freedom to tell their stories the way they want. Plus, would combining the universes really be MORE convoluted than having two fully-fledged Batman universes releasing at the same time? And if you're DC, do you really want people to walk out of Andy Muschietti's Batman movie and say, "Reeves' Batman movies are way better"? Until July 11, for me it's simple: if Reeves definitively says no, then the answer is no; and I would be upset if Gunn overruled him, even though I don't think he would. However, I think "The Batman" is really good, and I think "Superman" will also be really good. Why wouldn't I want two really good stories with two really good actors led by two really good filmmakers to come together and make an even better story together?
Mfs acting like this isn’t year 2 Batman, bros feet are still wet. Same with Superman, idk at what point in time we’ll be introduced to him in the movie but I’m sure Supe’s is new to this shit too. Its not like this Superman movie is gonna have him fighting someone like fuckin doomsday right off the bat. Mfs want the creators of these movies to be patient and establish characters properly but then as soon as they do that😂 it’s a problem
Nahhh you guys don’t see how it make sense it’s exactly how comics are Batman is nitty gritty and usually more realistic than his other superhero counterparts literally that’s the point Batman is the man who stays in the “real world” while Superman fights things”out of this world”
Okay, so what is Battinson going to do if they do one of the MANY alien invasion stories that DC is known for? This Batman struggles against regular mobsters.
@ he adapts like he always does do you think when Batman first fought an alien he was the best at it have you seen Justice league war he was unprepared but over time he adapted
@ the only probably I’d see is timeline for the Batman in the dcu to be Pattinson would require everyone of his new standalone films to be his history and him leading up to meeting the Justice league
@@jordanloux3883 Also lastly in alien fights Batman is usually one of the main people anyways he’s usually called for more like mastermind criminals, tech stuff ,investigations, interrogations etc etc but yeah he adapts to this stuff along the way
Batman is not realitic he's fighting monsters the entire time. Batman is fantasy horror noir series. You have clearly not read that much batman if you think this
Why can't Matt's reeves universe just be upcoming batman like his origin or past? While the batman in the dceu be his present self. Same batman but with more experience. His villains and batman became more fantastical as the years gone bye. I think you get the best of botj worlds that way.😅
What you guys are saying is the exact reason the Snyderverse didn’t work out so well because both heroes were “grounded” but when we have one grounded and the other not grounded that’s where we find peace so I think Pattinson and Corenswet should be together for that reason
@@Coconut_Prrson he can still have the batfamily and be fantastical just in a more grounded serious way like he should be the way they had him in bvs was good still needed a few tweaks tho but overall close to what you want it was Superman who was the problem should never be like Batman should understand him yes but be like him no
Matt Reeves did confirm a year or two ago that he would make a DCU movie or a few *but they'll never make Matt Reeves' Batman universe be a part of the new DCU.* It's cool but it simply can't work. As much as I like Robert Pattinson's Batman, *he's not gonna be the main DCU Batman.* P.S. We might see DCU's Batman in the end of James Gunn's "Superman" movie.
@@Coconut_Prrsonyes he did. As soon as the movies were announced. Which is why I didn’t get why he was talking about this now. We’ve known that they weren’t going to be apart of the same world since the title announcements
The main reason why I'm not on board with this idea is because of what it would mean for the Bat-family. By the time we meet the DCU's Batman, Damien Wayne is supposed to be Robin, which means we're almost certainly going see other members of the Bat-family in The Brave and the Bold, and I personally like the idea of at least the majority of them being there from the get-go instead of making audiences wait 10-20 years. You can't really do that with Pattinson's Batman since he's still only two years into his crime fighting and hasn't even met Dick Grayson yet. Plus, since this universe is supposed to have animated projects and video games that take place in it on top of live action movies and TV shows, they could use those mediums to tell stories that take place earlier in the DCU Batman's career and show the development of the Bat-family for anyone who wants to see that play out.
They shouldn’t be talking about it this soon in the first place. The entire reason why Marvel worked is because they took their time to build it up first. They need to take their time and cook it up slowly from scratch before this should even be a topic for conversation. That’s why it failed so badly the first time.
I honestly want to see a more fantastical version of Batman. And while the Robert Pattinson film is great-it doesn’t fit into what James Gunn is building with his DCU. (plus I want the blue and grey suit :) )
Robert Pattinson def surprised me when he was actually a good Batman. But just cause he was good, don’t mean perfect, he’s still not Top 3 Batman’s, and his suit was weird. It’d be cool to see him in Ana elseworlds project, but def should not be the Batman for James Gunn’s new universe.
It can't be shoe-horn in. It wasn't made to be in a shared universe in mind. Just no. Plus James Gunn already mentioned that he wants DCU to be multi-genre'd - it's not going to be like the MCU. Superman can be wholesome while Batman be dark and gritty (in case people are worried). Creature Commando is already R-rated. In any case, I trust James Gunn. The best thing about him (compared to Snyder) is he's actually a competent writer. He can make you laugh and cry (Rocket Racoon's backstory in GotG3). And violent/shocking (Brightburn). Even The Suicide Squad has its moments (and Peacemaker). Just hope he's not surrounded by Yes-men. Someone needs to challenge his ideas too in case he goes overlord.
Where do you get the impression that Zack Snyder is a writer? He didn't write Man of Steel of Batman v Superman. He just directed those movies. Someone else was in charge of the writing.
The Batman Crime Saga is specifically tailored to ensure that someone like Superman cannot exist in it. It is ultra-realistic, grounded as all hell, and while I'm not a huge fan of that direction anymore, that's its own identity to have and not be muddled by the obvious comic accuracy the DCU is going for. Cant wait to see the DCU's Batman in TBATB 2025.
The whole point of Matt Reeves’ Batman is that it’s a elseworlds NOIR version of Batman, his Alfred dies, he doesn’t glide normally, his penguin is taller, he never uses a batarang the whole movie except in the ending flood save scene. WHY WOULD YOU WANT this iteration of the character to be in the main cinema version at all, Hitop films is flat out delusional for posing this take, and I’m glad people are seeing right through out.
I wouldn't say "can't". I think it's entirely possible to develop that version of Batman and Gotham into something that would work as both the mainstream interpretation and part of a larger universe. That's just a matter of storytelling. What stands in the way of it, however, is that's not Matt Reeves's vision. That's the only real reason not to do it, and it's all the reason one could possibly need. If he wants it separate, it should be separate. I don't want to see him cornered into telling a story he doesn't want to tell. But if he *did* want it to be part of the DCU, then there would be no reason not to. From a storytelling standpoint, it's just a matter of introducing minor elements into the story that establish the shared universe and then building on those connections.
I think it would be hilarious to have Battinson in the main DCU. He's basically this oversized socially-awkward toddler the rest of the league has to make sure doesn't get killed because he tried to stab Darkseid with his one batarang. Like, they take him on baby missions so he can feel useful and not throw a fit.
The Batman works in its own universe of "the world outside your window" its realistic with no room for fantastical elements at all. Bringing this batman into Gunn's DCU that has flying, tights wearing aliens fighting kaiju would not mesh well
Especially with how the Batman is shot and looks visually. They didn't choose dirty old lenses and colour grade it in such a way for a bright white CGI dog to be flying around the screen. People only see the character aspect and forget about everything else. Films are visual art first.
Dude even better: WB should label Matt Reeve's 'The Batman' as an 'Elseworlds/Black Label' movie. They already have that Black Label gimmick for their comics so why not carry it over to the movies too?
People that "batman and superman have always been different, that's why it would work well" simply don't understand a bit of that Batman movie. It would be like trying to merge a hand drawn cartoon with a pixar 3d animation. They're completely different not just in character or world, but even down to its visual and auditory aspects. Both are shot and framed so differently, their colour grading doesn't match, how they use sound doesn't even work the same. Imagine a CGI flying dog while trying to watch The Batman... like what? I'm saying this as someone that loves how this new Superman looks, but please keep these away from each other. Not everything needs to be connected.
I’m just hoping for a DCU that gives in to the comic book elements. I enjoy grounded takes on comic characters, but it’s getting a bit much. Especially with Batman. We’ve been getting “realistic” Batman films for 19 years now. I want to see characters like Joker, Clayface, Poison Ivy, and Mr Freeze without needing them to be changed and simplified until they get to a point when they’re acceptably “realistic”. They’re comic book characters at the end of the day. IMO, imitate the tone and presentation of the Arkham games for DCU Batman and he’ll fit with pretty much anything DC that isn’t straight up kids cartoon silly. Not rip them off, but just go for that level of realism. All kinds of weird and fantastic shit in those games straight out of comics, but the games are sincere about it so it works. I could’ve easily seen that Batman working with Superman or Wonder Woman.
I hope the DCU has its own separate batman that finally gets to be fantastical and authentic to the classic comics like they are doing with superman now. We can have a realistic reimagened batman with mat revees, while having a dark blue caped, grey suited more comic inspired batman fighting clayface, poison ivy or someone goofy, doing inhuman feats in the DCU
Thing is… any studio would say “what’s the point in having 2 or 3 “Batmanses” 😂 competing for post Covid freaking box office revenue?… I mean… that’s not going to happen… just like there’s no other spider-men getting their own movie… and on top of that… that studio being WB… a studio that is totally broke… makes it so much worse.
They would be perfect apart but it looks like Superman is young in this one and Batman is young in The Batman so there’s a huge opportunity to have young Batman and young Superman interact with each other
i'm glad that the batman has been stated by james gunn and matt reeve to be a separate universe from the DCU, can't wait to see The Batman 2 and superman
i don't think it should happen, but i think if it did it would be way better than people give it credit for. Batman shouldn't stay grounded, thats boring and doesnt serve how good at his job Batman should be.
I don't get linking them. The Batman is a satire on why Batman would actually be a horrible idea. It's supposed to be in the same vain as something like Robocop or Starship Troopers, a deconstruction to make fun of the core idea, and it does this extremely well from having Bruce Wayne nearly work himself to death by being Batman, to having the Riddler crimes be inspired by Batman, to have Batman fail completely on solving the mystery placed before him because,...he's just a man, he can't be expected to solve everything. It's a dark deconstruction. Now, do we really want the next Superman movie to be the same kind of dark deconstruction/satire? Don't we have The The Boys for that? Or Invincible? Or to an extent Man Of Steel? We have seen Superman as a satire. We've seen it a LOT. As such a hopeful Superman at this point is groundbreaking in how out of the norm it is. Sad to say, but that's a fact. Superman can't be hopeful if it's linked to a blatant, depressing, bare bone satire. Art should be allowed to be its own thing, let Superman be a boy scout!
I don't think Matt Reeve's The Batman trilogy or whatever it ends up being should be apart of the greater extended DCU, but I don't see why Pattinson can't be Gunn's DCU Batman
Agreed. The tones between the two are neck-snappingly different. I get why fans would ask for Battinson to be included in the new DCU/Gunnverse, but these have different creative mandates. You can’t grow kale and coconuts in the same environment
Nah man, put the Battinson in the DCU. Batman is always the other side of the coin to the fantasy of Superman. Its the perfect pairing, it will never happen. But that doesn't mean its an awful take to say that it should. Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn't. Would it be a good idea, of course it would its a pair of Detective Comics characters with comics that have two completely different feels paired in the same world as they have been since an interconnected universe was thought of. Could it fail miserably because poor writing is rampant? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that it isn't just as likely to be a good idea as it could be considered a bad one. And after all, with Heart Of Ice possibly being on the cutting room floor nearly cancelled already it might be the only way to continue the Reeves Batman universe. But again, it would never happen. But that doesn't mean that it shouldn't.
This is mainly because we’re getting multiple Batmans ,for who knows how many at this point, at the same time than having more Supermans. If we all remember the reason why the series Superman & Lois ended instead of having more seasons, it’s because of DCU’s Superman will take the spot for live action… when we have multiple Batmans simultaneously smh
Not really that's the appeal of the crossover to contrasting energies that and it'll snap the Batman franchises out of this self hating "grounded" style that the Christopher Nolan convinced general audiences that's Batman's default and that Batnan movies and shows should stray away from being Batmany. Since those movies gotten we've nothing but "grounded" batman with The Joker movies, The Penguin show, Zack Snyder's Batman, and The Reeves movies. Each with the directors smack talking the franchise saying that fixed it by getting rid of the out there stuff. Matt Reeves even saying he doesn't Mr Freeze or Clayface in the Batman universe because they're not grounded enough.
I think a more whimsical, comic book approach to Batman would work way better in the new dc universe. I love the Batman, one of my favorite live action Batman movies. But the dark, gritty, grounded approach doesn’t work in a universe that had green lantern and hawkgirl. Also I want the bat family in the brave and the bold. Robin, nightwing, red hood, batgirl. Most of the movies ignore them even though they are super important to Batman. But if James Gunn is brave enough to include Mr terrific then I have faith in him.
It’s not going to happen 1. James said in the DCU Batman is a seasoned vet with an established bat family 2 when it comes to casting he wants someone close to middle aged 3 Batman in the DCU is going to be more mythical/fantastical 4 Matt reeves doesn’t want his Batman to be in the DCU universe as he has a plan for a trilogy and he deserves to tell that story
not everything needs to be in a shared universe. We'll get more good movies if we let Reeves do his thing while Gunn constructs his universe, why have one good iteration of batman when we can have two that are completely separate?
I would prefer if the batman matt reeve universe were part of the dcu because I really think robert pattinson is perfwct snd the gotham is comciaccurate and all there is potential for the more supernatural. Its not really grounded and thats also not a limitation. Only issue I have is that terrible joker which I think should be retconned as a joker-wannabe
Here’s the thing. Do I prefer a new actor for brave and the bold ? Yes. But if reeves Pattinson Batman we’re to be in the dcu than there’s way it can be done. And this is how I’d do it. Keep in mind we have dynamic duo, brave and the bold, teen titans, and the Batman part 2 that are pretty much confirmed. Also keep in mind Pattinson is about 38 years old right now. Bruce age 26: year 1 Bruce age 28: the batman part 1. Basically the same movie as real life. No changes needed. Bruce age 31: the Batman part 2. We find out that after the events of part 1 Bruce has been training all over the world just like the comics except he’s doing it now rather than earlier. Now he’s stronger, faster, more athletic, smarter, better gadgets, better Batmobile, a batwing, etc basically he’s now a more fantastical Batman that can stand side by side with the justice league. The villains are the court of owls. Batman defeats the court and in the end he goes to the circus which sets up the next movie dynamic duo Bruce age 31: shortly after the events of the Batman part 2 Bruce goes to the circus and here is where the dynamic duo animated movie starts. Dick loses his parents and Bruce witnesses the whole thing. Bruce goes out searching for the killer that killed dick parents. Meanwhile dick starts living in the streets of Gotham and meets Jason Todd. Dick and Jason go on their adventure or whatever and find zuko in the end. Zuko escapes and than dick and Jason find the batmobile and try to steal it only for Batman to come and confront them. Batman realizes one of the kids is the kid from the circus and so he raises both dick and Jason as his robins Bruce age 36: teen titans movie. Dick has been with the titans for about 2 years now. We find out that after about 3 years working with Batman and Jason, Jason almost was killed by the joker because he decided to go after the joker because of joker paralyzing Barbara. Batman and dick saved him in time and Jason left because of Batman refusal to kill joker. Dick left because after Jason was almost killed Batman didn’t want a robin anymore but dick didn’t listen and left and formed the teen titans. Fast forward 2 years later and this is where the movie takes place. By the end of this teen titans movie dick becomes nightwing meanwhile jason becomes the red hood. Bruce age 38-40 ish: batman brave and the bold. Robert Pattinson Bruce meets Damian Wayne. As for tim drake I would make a future sequel to dynamic duo called the robins where Tim meets nightwing red hood and robin(damian) and he becomes Red Robin. Tim meets Batman in the end
2 Batman's(Reeves' and DCU)? No. That is counterproductive to the greater picture. Being grounded is secondary. Batman is grounded. That does not mean that meta beings cannot or should not exist in the same universe
Just put off making Pattinson part of the DCU until after 2030 when part 3 comes out and then let James gunn write him however he wants into the DCU as a more mature Batman at a different part of his career. The events in Matt Reeves trilogy can still be Canon i.e. we haven't killed any major Batman villains so hopefully they can stick around and turn into more comic accurate versions of themselves slowly as they're introduced into the DCU
Just don't rush this shit or you'll end up having to reboot it all again in a decade. No one thought an avengers movie without Spiderman could work but if the only characters your audience likes are Batman and superman your not doing a good job anyway so make a Green lantern or a man hunter or a hawkgirl or a plastic man for all I care and have a pseudo justice league movie without batman as a part of it
I don't see an issue with it either way. A larger universe consisting of both Pattinson and Corenswet is only limited by the writer, not the fact they would be in the same universe.
pattinson's batman is too grounded for this new dc universe. if i'm being honest i'm tired of seeing batman where he's either super dark and gritty, super grounded in reality, or just an asshole cuz why not. i'd much rather have a batman like in the animated series where he's an actual human being rather than "i beat the shit out of ppl...that's it" The batman is great but it's just too grounded for the new dcu. i'm hopin the brave and the bold turns out great
Love the batman and all but the DCU is clearly not Reeves's vision. He wants a more rookie and grounded Batman. Meanwhile DCU already has clayface, kiteman, polkadot man and all this fantastical villains confirmed. DCU is clearly setting up something completely different, besides I'm super hyped for brave and the bold so don't take it away from me.
Even if the DCEU feels rush but I think the setup they did in Batman V Superman for The Justice League movie was amazing I've watched Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman & Justice League (SC) back to back and it feels like a one story
I think it could be amazing to see these 2 together, an amazing Batman and a soon to be amazing Superman. But it’s very risky it could ruin Batman’s character if not done right and this Batman could fit in but he also feels a little too grounded. If done right it can be awesome but I feel like if it’s not perfect it’s better off not doing
Just wait until Brave and the Bold you'll have a Batman in the DCU. Battinson needs to be in his own sandbox, Exclusive to Reeves vision he doesn't need anyone else.
While in theory I'd love to see these two portrayals meet in a well written movie in practice I never liked the kind of batman that is always written when the super friends are involved him and superman are always at thier best when they're separated from the rest of the dcu
the reason why people want this is understandable because you already have a good, popular and establised batman if the dcu makes a bad batman the cinimatic universe probably fails because of the sheer importance of the character from a busness perspetive it makes sense every thing else is high risk however if a dcuorignal batman is made just as good as the elseworld batman people will be glad the chose that route
@bb9a no but Daredevil is fighting goofy frog thugs with Shrek hulk meanwhile also being in one of the greatest crime dramas of all time. You can have a grounded character in a fantastical setting if they retain their core character.
Gunn and reeves have very different ideas for what they want to do with their cinematic universes. And u don’t think it’s a smart move to try and force them together or make either give up what they want to do
The Batman has a unique take on the character and being in a connected universe with characters just as important as him WILL interfere with the storytelling of those films, as it does in comics. Keep it separate. We already know one is good. The other so far looks to be just ticking boxes off of a checklist, and not having anything unique to actually tell.
I'm not the best to give my take on this but if Matt Reeves Batman was within the DCU it should have affected and being affected by the rest of that universe. Like if a big global event happened in Creature Commandos for example it should have been referenced in Batman and Penguin.
The Batman needs to be separate. Too grounded. Plus Matt Reeves doesn’t even want to have his universe part of the DCU.
agreed, it is not going to jibe with Gunn's lighthearted CW-style approach to these movies
Eh not really. After watching The Penguin I still can see fantastical villains done well in this universe and that wouldn't be too jarring. But it's not the direction Matt Reeves wants to go with.
@@kendi5391 me too. But sadly that's not what Reeves wants.
Let him complete his vision. It's clear Reeves doesn't wanna be part of the DCU
@@Coconut_Prrson Yeah. Hopefully villains like Cluemaster and Wrath show up.
@@kendi5391 most likely Cluemaster if Spoiler shows up
Fuck nah, i like Pattinson but we need a different Batman in this universe
Naw I like his Batman I think he fits corenswet’s Superman but I like what Gunn is cooking
@@randomuser8839you're wrong, he doesn't fit because the entire point of The Batman is to be realistic
we haven't even seen the Superman movie & ppl are saying "The Batman fits corenswet’s Superman" like how do we know this lmao
Btw does anyone know the background game?
@@gabriellopesguimaraes3513 it can still fit
Fans want a bunch of nostalgia bait and fanservices themselves to ruin their stories and when they do ruin everything because of it, they all go "Noo stop! We didn't asked for this!!"
Its like that scene from Spongebob where he explodes on Mr.Crabs because Crabs keep asking him stuff, and then goes "I didn't asked for this!" when said stuff don't work out.
I respect the opinion that Pattinson’s Batman should be kept separate, but I don’t really see the issue of his being the DCU Batman. Iron Man started off relatively grounded in reality in the MCU, but his story culminated in fighting a muscular raisin from space.
Because Battinson is intentionally very grounded. That guy would not stand a chance against actual aliens. Iron Man was willing to be much more cartoony and out there, so it is easier to accept him in the same world as gods and super soldiers.
Because Reeves doesn't wanna have fantastical elements on his batman and if that's what he wants more power to him. I want DCU batman to be fighting off monsters like Clayface and Manbat, and have his lil batfamily with Nightwing and Robin
Real..
Iron-Man fought off an army of terrorists, blew up their camps and survived two fighter jets swarming him, including a tank that blew him up from the sky. His suit is what gives that flexibility between realism and fantasy, giving the perception that most likely will win in every fight if judging realistically. Battison, on the other hand, barely secures that perception. Most of his fights are unpredictable, sometimes dirty and often lead to mistakes that could end him on the spot, like the moment when he got stabbed near the end or when he barely managed to survive the glide from the tower. Compare it to Batffleck, who is pumped up a bit passing the line of normal human, you'll know what I mean...
Iron Man isn't as grounded though. From movie one, he's flying around in a metal suit powered by an arc reactor. While more sci-fi than some of the other aspects of the MCU, it is still fantastical.
I honestly agree as someone who loves the Batman and is very excited for this Superman. I definitely feel like the dcu will have a world that just doesn’t mesh with the gritty, hype realistic vision of Matt reeves. Can’t wait to see a fantastical Batman who fits in with the world around him!
Same, really.
I disagree. What I love about comics is how such starkly different vibes happen in the same universe. From cosmic to grounded to supernatural and so on. I don't want Reeves' Batman to be the DCU Batman though
Y’all know universes are pretty freaking big with a lot of different tonalities, right? If the writing is good, I’m good with it.
Someone said it
If they worlds collide it's gonna be strange, or straight up bad because it just don't fit
If it doesn't collide, them what's the point?
Marvel brought this idea that everything needs to connect yo everything
I agree that the tones can exist in the same world but I still want a different DCU Batman. I prefer my more fantastical Batman to be the one for the long haul. I think Reeves should be left to do what he wants instead of shifting his vision.
bro if you put the batman in DCU hes dead in 2 minutes
Yea, stuff can have different tones, but there’s still some level of cohesiveness that is required. If we’re getting a Superman with trunks, then we should get a batman with trunks. After all, Arkham asylum and city batman had trunks. And it should be a batman that deals with actual super powered villains. A Riddler that isn’t afraid to be the riddler, and not just the zodiac killer. A Batman universe where the other characters (like catwoman) have proper costumes too, not just Batman himself.
Reeves has said multiple times already that he doesn’t want his universe to be a part of the DCU. Anytime someone says “bro we NEED them to be together” it just makes me laugh because even the creator of The Batman doesn’t what them to be in the same universe
He isn't the creator of batman matt reeves Is a clown 🤡
@ he’s not the creator of Batman the character, but he did create The Batman the movie, which is what I said
I disagree. I think that you could very easily integrate the "grounded" world of The Batman into the larger DCU. The same thing happened with BTAS. Plus, why take a gamble on making a new Batman that may or may not work when you already have quite frankly THE perfect Batman.
The only valid counterpoint I see to this is just the fact that if Matt Reeves wants to keep his whole movie universe separate for reasons of artistic integrity, then both James and us the fans should respect that if he ultimately doesn’t want anything to do with the larger DCU.
That being said, no one can deny a Pattinson Batman being best friends with Corenswet Superman on-screen wouldn’t be the best thing ever.
Still doesn’t make sense timeline wise. It’s said that the Bat family is already gonna be fully established in the DCU so it wouldn’t make sense that a young Bruce has already had all four of his most iconic Robins, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Damian Wayne along with other bat family members.
I would love Pattinson to be DCU’s Batman but James Gunn and Matt Reeves would have rewrite a TON of future stuff.
No, it absolutely would not be the best thing ever, this makes 0 sense whatsoever. Let the Matt reeves Batman be its own thing, we need a new Batman to fit into whatever universe James Gunn is building. All thus talk about “don’t gamble on a new Batman that might not work” the same thing could have been said before Pattinson took over, and yet we got him, or any new Batman. This is not a point at all, let someone else come in and if anything we the fans win having 2 dope new Batman versions in film to look forward to, i see nothing wrong with this
No, the same thing did not happen in the DCAU. Both btas and super man tas had their characters in simple cloth costumes (trunks and all), both series had light hearted stories and mature stories (mature does not equal dark and gritty), both shows still had fantastical elements, and both shows fully embraced the comic book roots of the characters (the villains still had their wacky suits and gimmicks).
Matt Reeves’ Batman is grounded and gritty. No super powered beings so far. Batman is the only one that actually wears a comic book like suit (and even then, they modernized it to be all tactical and armor), villain gimmicks are downplayed to be more serious (riddler’s suit, the zodiac killer inspirations, the lack of penguin umbrella tricks). Meanwhile, the new Superman already has tons of silly out there characters (like krypto), characters that actually have powers, more comic book inspired designs, etc
I for one am tired of Batman in his early career. Give me the Batfamily in life action already! And that is impossible with Matt Revves Batman who is in his year 2
PATTINSONS Batman absolutely has to be the justice leagues Batman.
You're telling of what MOS was supposed to be is incorrect, it was never it's own thing. Infact, MOS wasn't even DC's first attempt at a Cinematic Universe post MCU. Green Lantern was actually supposed to be the start of a cinematic universe. But when that film flopped they quickly realised they needed to start with more of a sure thing so they made Man Of Steel.
You also never actually said *why* The Batman can't be the main universe Batman, and the answer is that there is no reason. This is the most definitve adaption of the character outside of BTAS and Arkham. The whole selling point of James Gunn's universe is that, while everything is connected, everything is going to have it's own tone and creative vision much like the comics. And then you can have these clashing tones come together to create something like the Justice League. In the comics these crossovers are intresting BECAUSE of the differences, not despite them. So Batman not being exactly like Superman is WHY he should be in that universe.
If you want a reason, here's the reason. The Batman is too grounded. It's literally named "epic crime saga". There's very little likelihood of this Batman fighting metahumans like Poison Ivy or Clayface, and that's a good thing, because it's supposed to be more realistic. But while clashing tones is fine, clashing ideas isn't. You couldn't have The Batman existing in a world with gods and monsters. It would devalue his story. A larger than life DCU, which is what Gunn is shooting for, needs a larger than life Batman. A guy whose villains have insane and elaborate plots, not just "kill a bunch of corrupt politicians and blow up the Gotham sea wall". No disrespect to The Batman, it's an incredible movie. But it wouldn't work in a world where an alien dressed in red and blue could fly in and stop the flooding.
@@cameronhodgetts920clayface movie coming is in the batman’s universe
@@jakoshi2763 it isn't, Gunn's social media posts said that it's a DCU movie. The Batman is Elseworlds
Nah MOS was standalone. Then they pivoted after the success of marvel. They were trying to copy the theme of Dark Knight but ended up with Marvel copy. I am old af. I remember.
@@oxyht Okay, you're factually wrong. This is something that has been spoken about often, it's not a secret.
Bottom line, this shit is never gonna happen and that's what matters lmao
"It don't matter. None of this matters." - Carl
Why should we see another Batman in his 50s team up with a young supes? We’ve seen that SO MANY TIMES and it’s almost never worked out.
Man, i just want to see Batman and Superman be friends, allies, make jokes together, fight crime together, go to a coffee shop and… just like the DCAU, why should Batman always be the same age as Clark’s father? The actors are around the same age, have chemistry being friends irl and it’s not like Reeves doesn’t have 0 experience with fantasy? His best movies were about talking monkeys taking over the world for god’s sake
Literally no one said he'd be 50
ok, 40. What’s the difference? It’s a experienced oldhead Batman who’s already been through it all next to a young Superman who’s in his 2nd year
@@iliyapourmohammadno one has said 40 either, probably 30-40
@@iliyapourmohammadHe won't be in his 40s or 50s
Finally, someone who also thinks matt reeves batman should be in the dcu
The whole point of Batman in the ensemble is the fact he’s very different tonally…. That’s what makes DC unique. Everything is in the same universe but feels like it’s own separate tones too.
Batman in his comics has a very similar tone, and Superman’s is very much upbeat… their contrast is what makes it so interesting.
he can still be dark but I rather have a more fantastical batman with a batfamily for the DCU.
Bro you don’t get batman Matt reeves batman is a different version of batman he’s not like how Batman should be in the dcu where all the characters are established and Matt reeves doesn’t want this either because it doesn’t work at all
Agreed. Problem is Matt Reeves wants to keep Batman grounded.
@@Coconut_Prrson But that’s just it, imagine a Batman starting grounded and working his way towards fantastical and having people like Superman enter his world. It’s literally perfect potential.
I can't understand how someone can say "but batman and superman have different tones in the comics too" and just straight up forget the fact comics also have isolated stories that don't connect with the original time line
"We already have a perfect batman why risk on another" that's straight up corporate bullshit, coming from the mouth of fans, Pattinson is perfect because the entire world and lore revolves around him, the thematic, the tone, everything works on favor of his story and character development, just dragging him into whatever craziness gunn in cooking is just a stupid wet dream
Gunn can easily come up with a good batman, I would personally like a more theatrical take, like Tim Burton's batman
They don't read them simple
it’s almost like having stuff connected like peanut butter and jelly is better than having everything in its own separate house. I will never understand the backwards take of having things separate for the sake of having it separate.
I disagree for one big reason; having two different Batmen airing around the same time is bad for fandom and movie business, think about how many casual cinema fans will be confused. And either way Batman NEEDS to move away from being grounded in reality, we haven't had a fantastical Batman sine forever
Casual fans still think superman is from marvel and marvel is the same as dc chill bro is not that deep
But Reeve's Batman is already extremly grounded, and not in a way where you could start introducing fantastical elements on the level Gunn would want into his verse. So we should have a seperate Batman that will be fantastical and a grounded Batman whose story is not being tied down by a large universe
I personally think we haven't gotten enough grounded batman. There's so many good villains that we haven't seen on screen. The problem is that they keep repeating the same villains
It’s more fun that way. What’s the point of giving the Riddler and Penguin a makeover and completely changing who they are just to add magical plants or a beefed up crocodile later. It would wreck the whole foundation. You don’t want that
@kangrooonot really plus Batman starts off as realistic but he eventually moves on from being realistic to a superhero and Matt reeves Batman can fit that really well
My World's Finest is Christian Bale Batman and Christopher Reeve Superman
Both GOATED
It's gonna be weird having a Batman who's a middle aged parent and a 20 something year old Superman in the same universe.
superman's like 30, and batman is probably gonna late 30's at best, it's not that weird
@@captaincrisis226weird weird
Superman should look younger anyway because he's Kryptonian.
This was already explained. By the time Brave and the Bold comes out, Superman would be older too.
@khizeryusufzai2185 yeah, i mean like, lets say brave and the bold comes out in 2027-2028, the actor they cast would PROBABLY be like, 34-36? and corenswet would be, wow, would you look at that, 35!
I'm kinda mixed on the idea. I think it would be a good way to save on finance instead of using it to make another Batman movie, but also it would be bad for the two universes established as they might conflict with each other in tone and lore.
I share your concerns, but I don't really buy the "Reeves' and Gunn's stories are tonally incompatible" argument. Gunn stated multiple times that he will sacrifice perfect continuity if it gives each director the freedom to tell their stories the way they want. Plus, would combining the universes really be MORE convoluted than having two fully-fledged Batman universes releasing at the same time? And if you're DC, do you really want people to walk out of Andy Muschietti's Batman movie and say, "Reeves' Batman movies are way better"?
Until July 11, for me it's simple: if Reeves definitively says no, then the answer is no; and I would be upset if Gunn overruled him, even though I don't think he would. However, I think "The Batman" is really good, and I think "Superman" will also be really good. Why wouldn't I want two really good stories with two really good actors led by two really good filmmakers to come together and make an even better story together?
Mfs acting like this isn’t year 2 Batman, bros feet are still wet. Same with Superman, idk at what point in time we’ll be introduced to him in the movie but I’m sure Supe’s is new to this shit too. Its not like this Superman movie is gonna have him fighting someone like fuckin doomsday right off the bat. Mfs want the creators of these movies to be patient and establish characters properly but then as soon as they do that😂 it’s a problem
agreed, please stop with this guys. The Batman works so well because it's separate
Nahhh you guys don’t see how it make sense it’s exactly how comics are Batman is nitty gritty and usually more realistic than his other superhero counterparts literally that’s the point Batman is the man who stays in the “real world” while Superman fights things”out of this world”
Okay, so what is Battinson going to do if they do one of the MANY alien invasion stories that DC is known for? This Batman struggles against regular mobsters.
@ he adapts like he always does do you think when Batman first fought an alien he was the best at it have you seen Justice league war he was unprepared but over time he adapted
@ the only probably I’d see is timeline for the Batman in the dcu to be Pattinson would require everyone of his new standalone films to be his history and him leading up to meeting the Justice league
@@jordanloux3883 Also lastly in alien fights Batman is usually one of the main people anyways he’s usually called for more like mastermind criminals, tech stuff ,investigations, interrogations etc etc but yeah he adapts to this stuff along the way
Batman is not realitic he's fighting monsters the entire time. Batman is fantasy horror noir series. You have clearly not read that much batman if you think this
Why can't Matt's reeves universe just be upcoming batman like his origin or past? While the batman in the dceu be his present self. Same batman but with more experience.
His villains and batman became more fantastical as the years gone bye. I think you get the best of botj worlds that way.😅
What you guys are saying is the exact reason the Snyderverse didn’t work out so well because both heroes were “grounded” but when we have one grounded and the other not grounded that’s where we find peace so I think Pattinson and Corenswet should be together for that reason
yeah no. I wanna see a fantastical batman with a batfamily don't take this away from me I've been waiting for this my entire life
Real..
Agreed
Absolutely not
@@Coconut_Prrson he can still have the batfamily and be fantastical just in a more grounded serious way like he should be the way they had him in bvs was good still needed a few tweaks tho but overall close to what you want it was Superman who was the problem should never be like Batman should understand him yes but be like him no
Matt Reeves did confirm a year or two ago that he would make a DCU movie or a few *but they'll never make Matt Reeves' Batman universe be a part of the new DCU.* It's cool but it simply can't work. As much as I like Robert Pattinson's Batman, *he's not gonna be the main DCU Batman.*
P.S. We might see DCU's Batman in the end of James Gunn's "Superman" movie.
did he? when??
@@Coconut_Prrson when the DCU was first announced.
@@Coconut_Prrsonyes he did. As soon as the movies were announced. Which is why I didn’t get why he was talking about this now. We’ve known that they weren’t going to be apart of the same world since the title announcements
Anyone remember Standalone projects? Projects that stood... alone? I 'member...
This Batman doesn't even throw batarangs..
Not yet…
Not yet
It's a year 2 Batman you stupid, smelly, nerdy goofball. If you paid attention to the movie, you'd know that it's Batman's 2nd year as vengeance.
The main reason why I'm not on board with this idea is because of what it would mean for the Bat-family. By the time we meet the DCU's Batman, Damien Wayne is supposed to be Robin, which means we're almost certainly going see other members of the Bat-family in The Brave and the Bold, and I personally like the idea of at least the majority of them being there from the get-go instead of making audiences wait 10-20 years. You can't really do that with Pattinson's Batman since he's still only two years into his crime fighting and hasn't even met Dick Grayson yet. Plus, since this universe is supposed to have animated projects and video games that take place in it on top of live action movies and TV shows, they could use those mediums to tell stories that take place earlier in the DCU Batman's career and show the development of the Bat-family for anyone who wants to see that play out.
Doesn't have to be Pattison but can we Not Have ANOTHER mid 50-s veteran Batman!?
Can it just be mid 30's relatively experienced normal Batman?
They shouldn’t be talking about it this soon in the first place. The entire reason why Marvel worked is because they took their time to build it up first. They need to take their time and cook it up slowly from scratch before this should even be a topic for conversation. That’s why it failed so badly the first time.
I honestly want to see a more fantastical version of Batman. And while the Robert Pattinson film is great-it doesn’t fit into what James Gunn is building with his DCU. (plus I want the blue and grey suit :) )
Robert Pattinson def surprised me when he was actually a good Batman. But just cause he was good, don’t mean perfect, he’s still not Top 3 Batman’s, and his suit was weird. It’d be cool to see him in Ana elseworlds project, but def should not be the Batman for James Gunn’s new universe.
It can't be shoe-horn in. It wasn't made to be in a shared universe in mind. Just no.
Plus James Gunn already mentioned that he wants DCU to be multi-genre'd - it's not going to be like the MCU. Superman can be wholesome while Batman be dark and gritty (in case people are worried). Creature Commando is already R-rated. In any case, I trust James Gunn. The best thing about him (compared to Snyder) is he's actually a competent writer. He can make you laugh and cry (Rocket Racoon's backstory in GotG3). And violent/shocking (Brightburn). Even The Suicide Squad has its moments (and Peacemaker). Just hope he's not surrounded by Yes-men. Someone needs to challenge his ideas too in case he goes overlord.
Where do you get the impression that Zack Snyder is a writer? He didn't write Man of Steel of Batman v Superman. He just directed those movies. Someone else was in charge of the writing.
The Batman Crime Saga is specifically tailored to ensure that someone like Superman cannot exist in it. It is ultra-realistic, grounded as all hell, and while I'm not a huge fan of that direction anymore, that's its own identity to have and not be muddled by the obvious comic accuracy the DCU is going for. Cant wait to see the DCU's Batman in TBATB 2025.
what game is playing in the background?
The whole point of Matt Reeves’ Batman is that it’s a elseworlds NOIR version of Batman, his Alfred dies, he doesn’t glide normally, his penguin is taller, he never uses a batarang the whole movie except in the ending flood save scene.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT this iteration of the character to be in the main cinema version at all, Hitop films is flat out delusional for posing this take, and I’m glad people are seeing right through out.
I think James Gunn will defo gives us a great Batman for his DC universe as going in the likes of Star Wars which will go very well
People need to stop whining already on the separate universe thing and just let James Gunn cook.
What's he cooking? Cheeseburgers?
@ he’s cooking art
@@jamestolbert1856 I think that's just going to burn it.
Honestly, I don't have thoughts on it in either direction until we see The Batman, Part II and The Brave And The Bold
"I have no strong feelings one way or the other." - neutral guy from Futurama
@@rmj8905Honestly, I kinda take that stance with pretty much anything Marvel or DC Comics nowadays
It’s not about it “not being allowed in the dcu” it’s about the fact that Matt reeves wants the Batman to be its own thing James Gunn said it himself
Heck no
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@Dobbythecat123 wdym?
wdym? (also hi)
Can u explain y Henry Cavill Superman was not supposed to be mainstream? I liked his version it was cool and he looks like Superman just my opinion 😉
I wouldn't say "can't". I think it's entirely possible to develop that version of Batman and Gotham into something that would work as both the mainstream interpretation and part of a larger universe. That's just a matter of storytelling. What stands in the way of it, however, is that's not Matt Reeves's vision. That's the only real reason not to do it, and it's all the reason one could possibly need. If he wants it separate, it should be separate. I don't want to see him cornered into telling a story he doesn't want to tell. But if he *did* want it to be part of the DCU, then there would be no reason not to. From a storytelling standpoint, it's just a matter of introducing minor elements into the story that establish the shared universe and then building on those connections.
Keep Battinson out the DCU 🙏🏽
I think it would be hilarious to have Battinson in the main DCU. He's basically this oversized socially-awkward toddler the rest of the league has to make sure doesn't get killed because he tried to stab Darkseid with his one batarang. Like, they take him on baby missions so he can feel useful and not throw a fit.
You should apply for the MCU writing team
@@R_Lins right 😂
The Batman works in its own universe of "the world outside your window" its realistic with no room for fantastical elements at all. Bringing this batman into Gunn's DCU that has flying, tights wearing aliens fighting kaiju would not mesh well
Especially with how the Batman is shot and looks visually. They didn't choose dirty old lenses and colour grade it in such a way for a bright white CGI dog to be flying around the screen. People only see the character aspect and forget about everything else. Films are visual art first.
Dude even better:
WB should label Matt Reeve's 'The Batman' as an 'Elseworlds/Black Label' movie. They already have that Black Label gimmick for their comics so why not carry it over to the movies too?
People that "batman and superman have always been different, that's why it would work well" simply don't understand a bit of that Batman movie. It would be like trying to merge a hand drawn cartoon with a pixar 3d animation. They're completely different not just in character or world, but even down to its visual and auditory aspects. Both are shot and framed so differently, their colour grading doesn't match, how they use sound doesn't even work the same. Imagine a CGI flying dog while trying to watch The Batman... like what? I'm saying this as someone that loves how this new Superman looks, but please keep these away from each other. Not everything needs to be connected.
I’m just hoping for a DCU that gives in to the comic book elements. I enjoy grounded takes on comic characters, but it’s getting a bit much. Especially with Batman. We’ve been getting “realistic” Batman films for 19 years now. I want to see characters like Joker, Clayface, Poison Ivy, and Mr Freeze without needing them to be changed and simplified until they get to a point when they’re acceptably “realistic”. They’re comic book characters at the end of the day.
IMO, imitate the tone and presentation of the Arkham games for DCU Batman and he’ll fit with pretty much anything DC that isn’t straight up kids cartoon silly.
Not rip them off, but just go for that level of realism. All kinds of weird and fantastic shit in those games straight out of comics, but the games are sincere about it so it works. I could’ve easily seen that Batman working with Superman or Wonder Woman.
I hope the DCU has its own separate batman that finally gets to be fantastical and authentic to the classic comics like they are doing with superman now. We can have a realistic reimagened batman with mat revees, while having a dark blue caped, grey suited more comic inspired batman fighting clayface, poison ivy or someone goofy, doing inhuman feats in the DCU
Im i the only person who thinks having a clay face movie in the dcu before even showing batman is a bad idea
Thing is… any studio would say “what’s the point in having 2 or 3 “Batmanses” 😂 competing for post Covid freaking box office revenue?… I mean… that’s not going to happen… just like there’s no other spider-men getting their own movie… and on top of that… that studio being WB… a studio that is totally broke… makes it so much worse.
They would be perfect apart but it looks like Superman is young in this one and Batman is young in The Batman so there’s a huge opportunity to have young Batman and young Superman interact with each other
i'm glad that the batman has been stated by james gunn and matt reeve to be a separate universe from the DCU, can't wait to see The Batman 2 and superman
i don't think it should happen, but i think if it did it would be way better than people give it credit for. Batman shouldn't stay grounded, thats boring and doesnt serve how good at his job Batman should be.
I don't get linking them. The Batman is a satire on why Batman would actually be a horrible idea. It's supposed to be in the same vain as something like Robocop or Starship Troopers, a deconstruction to make fun of the core idea, and it does this extremely well from having Bruce Wayne nearly work himself to death by being Batman, to having the Riddler crimes be inspired by Batman, to have Batman fail completely on solving the mystery placed before him because,...he's just a man, he can't be expected to solve everything. It's a dark deconstruction.
Now, do we really want the next Superman movie to be the same kind of dark deconstruction/satire? Don't we have The The Boys for that? Or Invincible? Or to an extent Man Of Steel? We have seen Superman as a satire. We've seen it a LOT. As such a hopeful Superman at this point is groundbreaking in how out of the norm it is. Sad to say, but that's a fact. Superman can't be hopeful if it's linked to a blatant, depressing, bare bone satire.
Art should be allowed to be its own thing, let Superman be a boy scout!
I don't think Matt Reeve's The Batman trilogy or whatever it ends up being should be apart of the greater extended DCU, but I don't see why Pattinson can't be Gunn's DCU Batman
Agreed. The tones between the two are neck-snappingly different. I get why fans would ask for Battinson to be included in the new DCU/Gunnverse, but these have different creative mandates. You can’t grow kale and coconuts in the same environment
Let THE BATMAN function without being part of Gunn’s DC universe.
-CVGW
Nah man, put the Battinson in the DCU. Batman is always the other side of the coin to the fantasy of Superman. Its the perfect pairing, it will never happen. But that doesn't mean its an awful take to say that it should. Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn't. Would it be a good idea, of course it would its a pair of Detective Comics characters with comics that have two completely different feels paired in the same world as they have been since an interconnected universe was thought of. Could it fail miserably because poor writing is rampant? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that it isn't just as likely to be a good idea as it could be considered a bad one. And after all, with Heart Of Ice possibly being on the cutting room floor nearly cancelled already it might be the only way to continue the Reeves Batman universe. But again, it would never happen. But that doesn't mean that it shouldn't.
This is mainly because we’re getting multiple Batmans ,for who knows how many at this point, at the same time than having more Supermans. If we all remember the reason why the series Superman & Lois ended instead of having more seasons, it’s because of DCU’s Superman will take the spot for live action… when we have multiple Batmans simultaneously smh
I thought the DCU batman was supposed to be much older, already having Damien, his fourth Robin? I can't see them doing that with Pattinson
Not really that's the appeal of the crossover to contrasting energies that and it'll snap the Batman franchises out of this self hating "grounded" style that the Christopher Nolan convinced general audiences that's Batman's default and that Batnan movies and shows should stray away from being Batmany. Since those movies gotten we've nothing but "grounded" batman with The Joker movies, The Penguin show, Zack Snyder's Batman, and The Reeves movies. Each with the directors smack talking the franchise saying that fixed it by getting rid of the out there stuff. Matt Reeves even saying he doesn't Mr Freeze or Clayface in the Batman universe because they're not grounded enough.
I think a more whimsical, comic book approach to Batman would work way better in the new dc universe. I love the Batman, one of my favorite live action Batman movies. But the dark, gritty, grounded approach doesn’t work in a universe that had green lantern and hawkgirl. Also I want the bat family in the brave and the bold. Robin, nightwing, red hood, batgirl. Most of the movies ignore them even though they are super important to Batman. But if James Gunn is brave enough to include Mr terrific then I have faith in him.
It’s not going to happen
1. James said in the DCU Batman is a seasoned vet with an established bat family
2 when it comes to casting he wants someone close to middle aged
3 Batman in the DCU is going to be more mythical/fantastical
4 Matt reeves doesn’t want his Batman to be in the DCU universe as he has a plan for a trilogy and he deserves to tell that story
That's gay af
I say let Matt finish his trilogy then take him
not everything needs to be in a shared universe. We'll get more good movies if we let Reeves do his thing while Gunn constructs his universe, why have one good iteration of batman when we can have two that are completely separate?
Have Matt Reeves Batman movies be in Gunn’s universe would be cool in my opinion, but it is not going to happen
I would prefer if the batman matt reeve universe were part of the dcu because I really think robert pattinson is perfwct snd the gotham is comciaccurate and all there is potential for the more supernatural. Its not really grounded and thats also not a limitation. Only issue I have is that terrible joker which I think should be retconned as a joker-wannabe
Here’s the thing. Do I prefer a new actor for brave and the bold ? Yes. But if reeves Pattinson Batman we’re to be in the dcu than there’s way it can be done. And this is how I’d do it. Keep in mind we have dynamic duo, brave and the bold, teen titans, and the Batman part 2 that are pretty much confirmed. Also keep in mind Pattinson is about 38 years old right now.
Bruce age 26: year 1
Bruce age 28: the batman part 1. Basically the same movie as real life. No changes needed.
Bruce age 31: the Batman part 2. We find out that after the events of part 1 Bruce has been training all over the world just like the comics except he’s doing it now rather than earlier. Now he’s stronger, faster, more athletic, smarter, better gadgets, better Batmobile, a batwing, etc basically he’s now a more fantastical Batman that can stand side by side with the justice league. The villains are the court of owls. Batman defeats the court and in the end he goes to the circus which sets up the next movie dynamic duo
Bruce age 31: shortly after the events of the Batman part 2 Bruce goes to the circus and here is where the dynamic duo animated movie starts. Dick loses his parents and Bruce witnesses the whole thing. Bruce goes out searching for the killer that killed dick parents. Meanwhile dick starts living in the streets of Gotham and meets Jason Todd. Dick and Jason go on their adventure or whatever and find zuko in the end. Zuko escapes and than dick and Jason find the batmobile and try to steal it only for Batman to come and confront them. Batman realizes one of the kids is the kid from the circus and so he raises both dick and Jason as his robins
Bruce age 36: teen titans movie. Dick has been with the titans for about 2 years now. We find out that after about 3 years working with Batman and Jason, Jason almost was killed by the joker because he decided to go after the joker because of joker paralyzing Barbara. Batman and dick saved him in time and Jason left because of Batman refusal to kill joker. Dick left because after Jason was almost killed Batman didn’t want a robin anymore but dick didn’t listen and left and formed the teen titans. Fast forward 2 years later and this is where the movie takes place. By the end of this teen titans movie dick becomes nightwing meanwhile jason becomes the red hood.
Bruce age 38-40 ish: batman brave and the bold. Robert Pattinson Bruce meets Damian Wayne.
As for tim drake I would make a future sequel to dynamic duo called the robins where Tim meets nightwing red hood and robin(damian) and he becomes Red Robin. Tim meets Batman in the end
2 Batman's(Reeves' and DCU)? No. That is counterproductive to the greater picture. Being grounded is secondary. Batman is grounded. That does not mean that meta beings cannot or should not exist in the same universe
I have to agree. The Batman should be its own thing, because it’s already special. There’s no need to go the extra mile.
Just put off making Pattinson part of the DCU until after 2030 when part 3 comes out and then let James gunn write him however he wants into the DCU as a more mature Batman at a different part of his career. The events in Matt Reeves trilogy can still be Canon i.e. we haven't killed any major Batman villains so hopefully they can stick around and turn into more comic accurate versions of themselves slowly as they're introduced into the DCU
Just don't rush this shit or you'll end up having to reboot it all again in a decade.
No one thought an avengers movie without Spiderman could work but if the only characters your audience likes are Batman and superman your not doing a good job anyway so make a Green lantern or a man hunter or a hawkgirl or a plastic man for all I care and have a pseudo justice league movie without batman as a part of it
I don't see an issue with it either way. A larger universe consisting of both Pattinson and Corenswet is only limited by the writer, not the fact they would be in the same universe.
pattinson's batman is too grounded for this new dc universe. if i'm being honest i'm tired of seeing batman where he's either super dark and gritty, super grounded in reality, or just an asshole cuz why not. i'd much rather have a batman like in the animated series where he's an actual human being rather than "i beat the shit out of ppl...that's it" The batman is great but it's just too grounded for the new dcu. i'm hopin the brave and the bold turns out great
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Totally agree. If you put The Batman in DCU he would die like in 5 minutes
watch the Animated Series you poser
Love the batman and all but the DCU is clearly not Reeves's vision. He wants a more rookie and grounded Batman. Meanwhile DCU already has clayface, kiteman, polkadot man and all this fantastical villains confirmed. DCU is clearly setting up something completely different, besides I'm super hyped for brave and the bold so don't take it away from me.
Even if the DCEU feels rush but I think the setup they did in Batman V Superman for The Justice League movie was amazing
I've watched Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman & Justice League (SC) back to back and it feels like a one story
The Batman cannot exist in the same world as Mr. Terrific. 😭🤣
I think it could be amazing to see these 2 together, an amazing Batman and a soon to be amazing Superman. But it’s very risky it could ruin Batman’s character if not done right and this Batman could fit in but he also feels a little too grounded. If done right it can be awesome but I feel like if it’s not perfect it’s better off not doing
Just wait until Brave and the Bold you'll have a Batman in the DCU.
Battinson needs to be in his own sandbox, Exclusive to Reeves vision he doesn't need anyone else.
Yeah same director as the flash 🤮🤮🤮 as I keep saying if they fuck up Batman in this universe it's over
@@criticalspectrum8383stop no more whining
While in theory I'd love to see these two portrayals meet in a well written movie in practice I never liked the kind of batman that is always written when the super friends are involved him and superman are always at thier best when they're separated from the rest of the dcu
The batman is the perfect movie ever so If we make superman and THIS batman Together it might take that away from it
Battinsons world should remain alone!!
There are so many errors with Pattinson being in the dc legacy universe.
the reason why people want this is understandable because you already have a good, popular and establised batman
if the dcu makes a bad batman the cinimatic universe probably fails because of the sheer importance of the character
from a busness perspetive it makes sense every thing else is high risk however if a dcuorignal batman is made just as good as the elseworld batman people will be glad the chose that route
the posters do hard next to each other, but it wouldn’t work
Keep it separate or I'll sue! 😂
Leave Reeves's Batman as Elseworlds
Keep in mind Punisher exists in the same universe as Ms. Marvel...
Punisher isnt fighting the kree with captain marvel on 4 different planets
@bb9a no but Daredevil is fighting goofy frog thugs with Shrek hulk meanwhile also being in one of the greatest crime dramas of all time. You can have a grounded character in a fantastical setting if they retain their core character.
Gunn and reeves have very different ideas for what they want to do with their cinematic universes. And u don’t think it’s a smart move to try and force them together or make either give up what they want to do
The Batman has a unique take on the character and being in a connected universe with characters just as important as him WILL interfere with the storytelling of those films, as it does in comics.
Keep it separate. We already know one is good. The other so far looks to be just ticking boxes off of a checklist, and not having anything unique to actually tell.
There is not main or not main version version of a character they are all valid
"When everyone's super no one will be." - Syndrome from Incredibles
The Battension universe is a what the sony Spiderverse would look like it was competent.
I'm not the best to give my take on this but if Matt Reeves Batman was within the DCU it should have affected and being affected by the rest of that universe.
Like if a big global event happened in Creature Commandos for example it should have been referenced in Batman and Penguin.
Buddy,we just need a great director
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I think it can work
It can people just don't have an imagination
Too many reboots. If you want me to care, you have to stop publishing first drafts in theaters.
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