Supposedly, the developer for Workoutdoors is currently working on re-writing the Navigation system to include things like turn by turn, distance remaining, and elevation profile (climbpro). So perhaps in the next year or so, work outdoors could replace footpath.
@@olahantonio2561 I think I saw a post where they have it on their road map, but doing turn-by-turn navigation is probably a bear of a feature to create from scratch. they would essentially have to program a mapping App from scratch. That doesn't sound easy.
I was having trouble with the gpx file import so thank you for this! This really is the only app I’ll ever need for hiking. And I love that’s it’s not subscription based!
Thx for the great video. Using the App since many years and really happy. Found some new settings thanks to your explanation. Love the elevation colors. Grea thx again
I'm glad that your pace target was about 20 minutes per mile. The first example was just over 8 minutes and I thought I can't even run that fast! Great video!! Thank you!
This really is a great app. I’m a long distance runner and I’m using it for five years now. It even integrates with my sturdy foot pod. The only thing lacking is an integration with TrainingPeaks - but I think this will come one day…
I’ve been using Workoutdoors for years, and found a great solution to this. The HealthFit app will sync workouts from Workoutdoors to TrainingPeaks (and Strava, etc.) automatically. It’s fantastic, too.
Hi, with this app can I use offline maps and make my own navigation when I am actually in the forest? Or can I just have the offline information for the tracks saved? I want something like we have in Garmin. Thanks for your guidance.
First off, thanks for a very thorough video. I really appreciate all the effort you put into this. After watching this, I’ve learned it’s so much easier to use a Garmin for hiking. Last year I used my AW7 when hiking Elbert in CO and it died before my hike was completed which led me to Garmin. I used the Fenix 7 pro this summer while heading West for a week. I summited 3 peaks, did numerous hikes and didn’t have to charge it once. I’d really like to have an AW but this process just seems annoying. Maybe after setting it up, hikes are easy to add to watch? I miss Apple Music, strength training apps and podcast on AW. I’m afraid even the AWU can’t handle my 2 day hiking adventures though. What are your thoughts? I’d like to take 2 days to hike Blanca, Ellingwood and Little bear but not sure the AWU can last. Is it only 12hrs gps tracking? Is that with low power mode? I suppose if I bring a portable charger for AWU I can charge it when I wake up before I hike the next day 🤷♂️.
Yea, I struggle with which one to wear a lot, but overall I've settled on the Garmin. It's just less hoops to jump through for a hike or workout. If you have both watches already, you can do what a lot of others do, and just wear the Garmin for hikes and the AW for everything else. I do this sometimes. I track the workout in Garmin, and then sync to Health. When not hiking, AW for sleep, etc.
@@Hikingguy Thanks a LOT for the reply! I think I will do what you mentioned. I forgot that I can sync Garmin to Apple health. You saved me some money. I will hold onto the Garmin until Apple gives a good enough reason to let it go. A family member also said I could use their Spotify premium account to add podcast and music to my Garmin! We shall see how good that works. I look forward to your future videos!
The gps function of the watch consumes a lot of power. Workoutdoors has a feature that it powers on the gps chip only when you look at the map. This prolongs battery life greatly. Of course, when using this feature you should not track your hike, so there are no statistics. But you do have the map, the route, and your location when looking at the watch. For casual all day hiking, this works great.
That’s a really great review thanks a lot for the work, it’s super useful I was looking for more informations to find a good watch between Apple Watch and Garmin, looks like an Apple Watch with that app is a prefect combo (too bad that the battery is not great with Apple otherwise it would have been perfect)
Thank you for all your videos about inReach and ACR devices. I decided to get the 67i and an ACR and I was curious when you would be putting up your video about the 67i. I've tried to set it up from watching your 66i video but noticed there are some differences. Thanks again.
Ive hiked over 100 mountains in the past couple of years and I do not go anywhere without workoutdoors, im not sure that enough outdoor enthusiasts and hikers are aware of just how amazing it is. i find it smoother and cleaner than the high end fenix watches with dedicated breadcrumb trail gps etc. Currently using Apple watch series 7 and the battery life is already noticeably worse, Im lucky to get through my entire 7-8 hr hike without plugging it in to a portable charger. How is your battery life with the ultra?
This is great and so detailed review, thank you! One thing - let's say I start "Running" on this app, will it be stored as running on Apple Health and be part of the statistics in the Apple Fitness app?
Do you prefer workoutdoors or footpath more? Thank you for these walkthroughs. I used footpath for the first time yesterday and am training up for a few weeks in Switzerland.
If I just want to record the activity, I'll use WorkOutdoors, but if it's a new route or I want to focus on navigation, Footpath - it's nice to have options
I usually just use AllTrails, which was pretty cool as it just sips power (I can hike 30+km and still have 80% power vs. "Hiking" which drains battery in 6-7 hours of active use); however, it has stopped connecting with Apple Watch recently so I need to troubleshoot the issue.
this video might be helpful: th-cam.com/video/nYqxx1quVtM/w-d-xo.html - if you want the best tool for everyday life in the Apple ecosystem + hiking, the AW is great. If you want the best tool for the outdoors, the Epix is my move. Some people switch them out based on what they're doing, but obviously it's $$$ and a small hassle
Next week or two - short answer - it's a 66i with better battery and multi-band - otherwise pretty much the same - could be called the 66i Pro instead of 67
This is a great app but the only thing bothering me is the missing AOD feature. I use Gentler Streak for every workout except weightlifting, for which I use Hevy. Both of them have AOD and the ability to mirror the watch display on the iPhone.
very much enjoyed all your videos - thanks you! Does workoutdoors have a screen that shows one's status vs. a route's elevation profile? this is very helpful in a real-time situation.
Thank you very much for this excellent review and tutorial! It truly does a service to the app. Is amazing how much you get for that one time payment. Although all the options and features it has are its strongest selling point, it is also to a degree a double edge sword. It is a very intimidating app to get into when compared to something like Footpath which gets you going right away. You mentioned you use both Workoutdoors and Footpath, may I ask by what factors of a hike or activity do you chose one over the other? I am quite curious. Thank you!
If I'm hiking on a longer hike or one where I want prompts, I'll use footpath. If I just want to cross-reference my GPX (usually on a hike that I've done before) I'll use Workoutdoors
I have used my garmin fénix for my five Camino De Santiago hikes. My husband likes that I He can follow my live tracts. Is that possible with either of the two hiking apps you suggested?
great video, thx. i was wondering if the map in hiking mode doesn't automatically move regarding the direction you are going? is it always fixed and you can only see if you have to go left or right?
Thanks! Very good vid indeed. One question. Would it be possible to lock watch buttons also when using Work OutDoors? (like put the watch fully lock basically). Because you can lock the screen (4x) but when your sleeve hits the button then its only one step away to pause / stop your workout (in the middle of the actual work out). It has happened to me once and i lost ca half of the very long training. I did not check the watch before the finish as i was confident that all would be saved but unfortunately it was not... :( Thanks a lot!
do you know how how big the offline map / covered area can be? if I do a thru hike like the PCT (>1000km), the maps are normally about 2-3GB. that's probably in this app not possible, or?
Great Video. One question: is there a feature that actually guides you to the beginning of your hike. I have uploaded some gpx routes, but sometimes I actually don't know where they start. Thank you! There is this feature on Garmin.
Seems WorkOutDoors has overlooked use of waypoints besides just display one on a preplanned route. Are their any mapping apps that allow for creating and navigating to waypoints besides the native compass app that doesn’t allow for map usage?
Thanks Chris. Awesome review and guide. I am currently a happy Epix2 owner but I’m considering the AWU. I bought the AWU to test and I tried the footpath app without being totally pleased. A big issue for me is the possibility to take me back to start during a hike without a preplanned route? What is the shortest route back to start? Trackback and direction is ok but will not suffice here. Can the Workoutdoors app do this? If not, is there an app for the AW that can do this that you know about?
You can reverse a course on Workoutdoors but there's really nothing standalone for the AW that offers the nav functionality that a Garmin does. Everything needs a phone, sync, etc. - I'd say for straight ahead navigation, the Garmins do a much better job
I’ve used this app for years for running, and have never had the screen go back to the watch while using the app. I recommend emailing the developer (under the Settings menu). He’s very responsive in my limited experience.
I cannot get the correct calories burned during the workout. It will say something like 11kCal. There is no way I burn 11,000 calories on a 3 mile walk
I don’t find this “navigation” helpful because it doesn’t have an arrow on the blue dot showing me if I’m actually walking in the right direction! Such a simple but important detail that so many app makers don’t add for some reason
So the big question is Apple Ultra or Garmin EPIX? Apple watch seems like it wants to be a hiking watch but even with the third party software it is not as intuitive as the Garmin .
I sold my Epix. For my use cases Workoutdoors together with the speed (zooming/panning the map is a joy on the AW) and versatility (with the AW I can control my house and my car) of the AW beat the Epix. The only thing I miss is an elevation profile but that will come in a future update of WOD.
Garmin enables you to “see” all your activities on your Garmin site via phone and computer (mac/PC) with large monitor. Why Apple does not allow you to see all your activities / health metrics even on the mac is a mystery.
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How to download a GPX file from AllTrails on mobile: th-cam.com/users/shortskR5L6f8b-Lo?feature=share
Supposedly, the developer for Workoutdoors is currently working on re-writing the Navigation system to include things like turn by turn, distance remaining, and elevation profile (climbpro). So perhaps in the next year or so, work outdoors could replace footpath.
Yea, looking forward to that
What is the progress status of this?
@@olahantonio2561 I think I saw a post where they have it on their road map, but doing turn-by-turn navigation is probably a bear of a feature to create from scratch. they would essentially have to program a mapping App from scratch. That doesn't sound easy.
@@TheMetaSD ?
I was having trouble with the gpx file import so thank you for this! This really is the only app I’ll ever need for hiking. And I love that’s it’s not subscription based!
Thx for the great video. Using the App since many years and really happy. Found some new settings thanks to your explanation. Love the elevation colors. Grea thx again
I'm glad that your pace target was about 20 minutes per mile. The first example was just over 8 minutes and I thought I can't even run that fast! Great video!! Thank you!
Since I have an ultra watch I am hoping I don’t need a garmin. I’m going to try this app!
This really is a great app. I’m a long distance runner and I’m using it for five years now. It even integrates with my sturdy foot pod.
The only thing lacking is an integration with TrainingPeaks - but I think this will come one day…
I’ve been using Workoutdoors for years, and found a great solution to this. The HealthFit app will sync workouts from Workoutdoors to TrainingPeaks (and Strava, etc.) automatically. It’s fantastic, too.
*Stryd footpod presumably, good to know
how long does the battery last, if you use your watch (which?) for navigate on the trail? do you think it lasts for the 10-12h hiking/running?
Hi, with this app can I use offline maps and make my own navigation when I am actually in the forest? Or can I just have the offline information for the tracks saved? I want something like we have in Garmin. Thanks for your guidance.
Yup
Bought this app the first time you featured it.
After watching your video I added this app to my Apple Watch Ultra and could not be more pleased with its performance! Thanks
They should use your video as user guide! Great!
Thank you!
Wow !! I researched to display the remaining distance since 3 months and thanks to you now it’s finally working ! Thank you !
Appreciate the work you do for us
it’s a really great app, i can save money on a Garmin device for my biking
First off, thanks for a very thorough video. I really appreciate all the effort you put into this.
After watching this, I’ve learned it’s so much easier to use a Garmin for hiking. Last year I used my AW7 when hiking Elbert in CO and it died before my hike was completed which led me to Garmin. I used the Fenix 7 pro this summer while heading West for a week. I summited 3 peaks, did numerous hikes and didn’t have to charge it once. I’d really like to have an AW but this process just seems annoying. Maybe after setting it up, hikes are easy to add to watch? I miss Apple Music, strength training apps and podcast on AW. I’m afraid even the AWU can’t handle my 2 day hiking adventures though. What are your thoughts? I’d like to take 2 days to hike Blanca, Ellingwood and Little bear but not sure the AWU can last. Is it only 12hrs gps tracking? Is that with low power mode? I suppose if I bring a portable charger for AWU I can charge it when I wake up before I hike the next day 🤷♂️.
Yea, I struggle with which one to wear a lot, but overall I've settled on the Garmin. It's just less hoops to jump through for a hike or workout. If you have both watches already, you can do what a lot of others do, and just wear the Garmin for hikes and the AW for everything else. I do this sometimes. I track the workout in Garmin, and then sync to Health. When not hiking, AW for sleep, etc.
@@Hikingguy Thanks a LOT for the reply! I think I will do what you mentioned. I forgot that I can sync Garmin to Apple health. You saved me some money. I will hold onto the Garmin until Apple gives a good enough reason to let it go. A family member also said I could use their Spotify premium account to add podcast and music to my Garmin! We shall see how good that works. I look forward to your future videos!
The gps function of the watch consumes a lot of power. Workoutdoors has a feature that it powers on the gps chip only when you look at the map. This prolongs battery life greatly.
Of course, when using this feature you should not track your hike, so there are no statistics. But you do have the map, the route, and your location when looking at the watch. For casual all day hiking, this works great.
good to know, thank you
I had no idea! I tend to bring a powerbank if I'm camping overnight but this is an excellent option for backpacking for example. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Hildo! I had a look at the WorkOutDoors settings but did not find that GPS option. Could you please tell me where tu find it?
On the watch, display the map, long press, choose settings, and then select 0 minutes.
@@hildodenbreejen7046 thanks!!
I love seeing your personal settings!
This opens my eyes to the utility of having a watch.
Great Video. Thank you for the overview. Downloaded before the video was over.
Me too. Excellent video!
Fantastic video, thank you for the detailed instructions and great visuals!
Whoa!!! Thank you 10000000%!!!
That’s a really great review thanks a lot for the work, it’s super useful
I was looking for more informations to find a good watch between Apple Watch and Garmin, looks like an Apple Watch with that app is a prefect combo (too bad that the battery is not great with Apple otherwise it would have been perfect)
Thank you for all your videos about inReach and ACR devices. I decided to get the 67i and an ACR and I was curious when you would be putting up your video about the 67i. I've tried to set it up from watching your 66i video but noticed there are some differences. Thanks again.
Hopefully in the next week or two - waiting for some responses from Garmin
Ive hiked over 100 mountains in the past couple of years and I do not go anywhere without workoutdoors, im not sure that enough outdoor enthusiasts and hikers are aware of just how amazing it is. i find it smoother and cleaner than the high end fenix watches with dedicated breadcrumb trail gps etc.
Currently using Apple watch series 7 and the battery life is already noticeably worse, Im lucky to get through my entire 7-8 hr hike without plugging it in to a portable charger.
How is your battery life with the ultra?
This is great and so detailed review, thank you! One thing - let's say I start "Running" on this app, will it be stored as running on Apple Health and be part of the statistics in the Apple Fitness app?
Yup
Best review and instructions. Thank you
great work. But the battery life is still big issue
Thanks! Excellent channel! Appreciate all you do.
Big thank you!
Hi Cris - -thanks for the video. What do you think of the Motorola Defy - Satellite Link together with an iPhone?
I ordered it and will be reviewing it - stay tuned!
Do you prefer workoutdoors or footpath more? Thank you for these walkthroughs. I used footpath for the first time yesterday and am training up for a few weeks in Switzerland.
If I just want to record the activity, I'll use WorkOutdoors, but if it's a new route or I want to focus on navigation, Footpath - it's nice to have options
Thax for very good and informative videos
What other hiking apps are you guys liking? I'm planning on checking more out.
I usually just use AllTrails, which was pretty cool as it just sips power (I can hike 30+km and still have 80% power vs. "Hiking" which drains battery in 6-7 hours of active use); however, it has stopped connecting with Apple Watch recently so I need to troubleshoot the issue.
Many thanks you for this tutorial.
Hi Hiking Guy! Really enjoy all the videos; well done. Question: if you had to chose one watch to wear for everything what would it be? Thanks
this video might be helpful: th-cam.com/video/nYqxx1quVtM/w-d-xo.html - if you want the best tool for everyday life in the Apple ecosystem + hiking, the AW is great. If you want the best tool for the outdoors, the Epix is my move. Some people switch them out based on what they're doing, but obviously it's $$$ and a small hassle
how long does the battery last, if you use your watch (which?) for navigate on the trail? do you think it lasts for the 10-12h hiking/running?
Awesome video. Thank you. Very helpful.
Helpful information, but when is your full review coming for the Garmin 67i?
Next week or two - short answer - it's a 66i with better battery and multi-band - otherwise pretty much the same - could be called the 66i Pro instead of 67
WorkOutDoors can auto-pause and resume with independent adjustable settings for each of duration and speed
This is a great app but the only thing bothering me is the missing AOD feature. I use Gentler Streak for every workout except weightlifting, for which I use Hevy. Both of them have AOD and the ability to mirror the watch display on the iPhone.
AOD will come :)
Aod is now working.
very much enjoyed all your videos - thanks you! Does workoutdoors have a screen that shows one's status vs. a route's elevation profile? this is very helpful in a real-time situation.
Thanks for making this video 👍
For backpacking would you use get outdoors or footpath? Which one do you recommend?
if you want simple, Footpath, if you want to tweak settings, etc, Workoutdoors
Can you save a waypoint on the watch directly? As in if you came across a good camping spot for example, then save the location?
Not on this app but you can use the Apple Compass app to save waypoints. You just can't get them out of the watch I think.
Great video. Many thanks.
What band are you using? It looks very nice on the watch. Thanks!
Thank you very much for this excellent review and tutorial! It truly does a service to the app. Is amazing how much you get for that one time payment.
Although all the options and features it has are its strongest selling point, it is also to a degree a double edge sword. It is a very intimidating app to get into when compared to something like Footpath which gets you going right away.
You mentioned you use both Workoutdoors and Footpath, may I ask by what factors of a hike or activity do you chose one over the other? I am quite curious.
Thank you!
If I'm hiking on a longer hike or one where I want prompts, I'll use footpath. If I just want to cross-reference my GPX (usually on a hike that I've done before) I'll use Workoutdoors
It's nice that apple is trying. But there 2 to 4 years behind on Garmin on any factor.
Thanks!
WHOA Big Big BIG Thank you!!!
Thx. Would you happen to know if this also work with the iPhone 7?
I have used my garmin fénix for my five Camino De Santiago hikes. My husband likes that I
He can follow my live tracts. Is that possible with either of the two hiking apps you suggested?
You'd probably be best with an inReach that has location sharing.
Thanks... this is great for hike, but how to use to trail running?
How was the battery life when using the workoutdoors hiking???
great video, thx. i was wondering if the map in hiking mode doesn't automatically move regarding the direction you are going? is it always fixed and you can only see if you have to go left or right?
You can customize map oriented to compass or oriented to direction of travel.
@@michael516 thx!
Thanks! Very good vid indeed. One question. Would it be possible to lock watch buttons also when using Work OutDoors? (like put the watch fully lock basically). Because you can lock the screen (4x) but when your sleeve hits the button then its only one step away to pause / stop your workout (in the middle of the actual work out). It has happened to me once and i lost ca half of the very long training. I did not check the watch before the finish as i was confident that all would be saved but unfortunately it was not... :( Thanks a lot!
link is to the Apple Watch SE - does the app workout on those ones?
yes
can we add personalized points like our house or a big rock in the wood some things like that
So to define the path you want, that has to be done with a different app than workoutdoors? I have to make a gpx file and import it?
Yup, no route creation in Workoutdoors - check out my video on the Footpath App if you want to do it in the app
do you know how how big the offline map / covered area can be? if I do a thru hike like the PCT (>1000km), the maps are normally about 2-3GB. that's probably in this app not possible, or?
Great Video. One question: is there a feature that actually guides you to the beginning of your hike. I have uploaded some gpx routes, but sometimes I actually don't know where they start. Thank you! There is this feature on Garmin.
Not like the "navigate to start" function that Garmin's have, but you can drop a pin using Maps at the start and use that navigation to get there
Curious about battery life. How many hours can you typically go with this on? There's no way you could pull a 20 miler over 10hrs with this on, right?
With the Ultra you can - with the 9 or lower prob not
Seems WorkOutDoors has overlooked use of waypoints besides just display one on a preplanned route. Are their any mapping apps that allow for creating and navigating to waypoints besides the native compass app that doesn’t allow for map usage?
Does this app sync with apple health and apple workouts after you finish the hike?
yup
Like giving birth to get a map/route onto the watch. Take my money Garmin :)
Anyone has the issue where the digital time dims the screen when the wrist is down?
I am curious why outdoors have little to no support ?
Can u use this app without ur phone ?
Why doesn’t Apple just put AllTrails app on the Apple Watch ?
Yea I've often thought it would be a good idea to acquire AllTrails and integrate the trails and community into the Apple ecosystem
Thanks form video. I have 1 question. What is the battery life on Ultra while using navigation with this app.
about 12-13 hours on Ultra
The app consumes 5-6 % per hour on my ultra.
So you can reach activity times of around 16-18 hours.
@@maexstoe7425 low power mode on?
Thanks Chris. Awesome review and guide. I am currently a happy Epix2 owner but I’m considering the AWU. I bought the AWU to test and I tried the footpath app without being totally pleased. A big issue for me is the possibility to take me back to start during a hike without a preplanned route? What is the shortest route back to start? Trackback and direction is ok but will not suffice here. Can the Workoutdoors app do this? If not, is there an app for the AW that can do this that you know about?
You can reverse a course on Workoutdoors but there's really nothing standalone for the AW that offers the nav functionality that a Garmin does. Everything needs a phone, sync, etc. - I'd say for straight ahead navigation, the Garmins do a much better job
Wish I would have watched all this before downloading it. Sounded good until you have to get on a computer
Awesome
How to lock the screen with non-Ultra Watch?
@@Youdude2 Side button then waterlock 💧
Side button then water lock 💧
Workoutdoors vs footpath what is better?
Can it uses offline maps like Garmin ?
Just OSM maps
Screen keeps going to sleep mode, shows the time. How do I keep map always on?
I’ve used this app for years for running, and have never had the screen go back to the watch while using the app. I recommend emailing the developer (under the Settings menu). He’s very responsive in my limited experience.
Is this a Apple 8?
Ultra
I cannot get the correct calories burned during the workout. It will say something like 11kCal. There is no way I burn 11,000 calories on a 3 mile walk
I am looking for a map app where I can download a hole country. Any idea?
might work: goosemaps.com
is this only for Apple watch? what about us if we dont have Apple! than we buy one 🙂
Just Apple Watch now
I don’t find this “navigation” helpful because it doesn’t have an arrow on the blue dot showing me if I’m actually walking in the right direction! Such a simple but important detail that so many app makers don’t add for some reason
21:15 there is an arrow.
@@michael516 idk…I tried it and the arrow wasn’t pointing or updating correctly. Forget exactly what the issue was but I didn’t find it very useful.
And why is it not showing ur heart rate?
Am I the only one having problems with action button e Workoutdoors?
👏🏼👏🏼
You’re frickn’ sigma!
So the big question is Apple Ultra or Garmin EPIX? Apple watch seems like it wants to be a hiking watch but even with the third party software it is not as intuitive as the Garmin .
I sold my Epix. For my use cases Workoutdoors together with the speed (zooming/panning the map is a joy on the AW) and versatility (with the AW I can control my house and my car) of the AW beat the Epix. The only thing I miss is an elevation profile but that will come in a future update of WOD.
Garmin enables you to “see” all your activities on your Garmin site via phone and computer (mac/PC) with large monitor. Why Apple does not allow you to see all your activities / health metrics even on the mac is a mystery.
this might be helpful: th-cam.com/video/nYqxx1quVtM/w-d-xo.html
Wow ! So helpful ! A big thank you for this video ! Love it. In my favorites ! And I’ve subscribed, of course. 🫡