It’s so ironic that Lily has done all these horrible things from Courtney to Stockholm and still had the gall to paint characters in Steven universe as predatory in any way.
god her media takes are just awful lmao especially Steven universe, also saying over and over that she 'wouldnt blame anyone for thinking Reecca Sugar is a N@zi' because the diamonds were redeemed and 'they're supposed to be the N@zis" even though Sugar IS JEWISH
Tbh, I think unfortunately lily does have a lot of good points about Steven universe, and a lot of other media she has covered on her channel. That is one reason of what makes her so easily able to deflect bad accusations against her, cause she tries to publicly align herself with a lot of points and ideals that are reflective of someone who is very progressive and leftist. That’s what kind of makes this whole things even more disgusting, as she is clearly using these very valid and understandable ideals as a way to maintain a following and make herself look like the good guy.
@@bellz3096 honestly i kinda disagree? it feels more like she was just jumping on a bandwagon and also that she was either ignoring the context of the show a lot of the time or just attacking rebecca sugar
@@CyanWatercress4 I said specifically a lot of the points Lily made about the show Steven Universe are valid, not about the creator. Those are separate. I personally don’t think a lot of the story content Rebecca created was that great (love her and her brother’s art though!), but Lily’s hate towards Rebecca sugar was unhinged and chronically online behavior lol. So wild.
Man, imagine unfollowing Lily because you think she's a killjoy and a hardass, only to find out she's legit an awful person. My condolences to all her victims.
I don’t have to imagine it, since that’s pretty much why I unsubscribed from her. I could forgive Lily for having strongly different opinions on stuff, but her attitude towards things she didn’t like eventually got boring for me. I don’t know whether I’m glad I unsubscribed when I did (almost a year ago), or if it would’ve felt better to do so solely because of this information.
I used to watch her stuff, like maybe 7 or 8 years ago. Most of it was pretty entertaining, but yeah, there was often this confrontational edge, this smug sense of self superiority in her own opinions and takes being better than everyone else, but I mostly wrote it off as schtick because that was a somewhat common act with a lot internet personas of the time... or at least in the other kind of video content creators I was also following back then, for whatever that might say about my tastes. The straw that broke the calm's back for me was one video where Lily made some claim about Rarity. I don't recall what that claim was anymore, I just remember disagreeing with it. Before I could even consider commenting on it, however, Lily went on in her video to say something to the effect that anyone who disagreed with her on that point was a bigot and all comments on the subject would be deleted. Those aren't exact words, as I have no interest in digging through her archives to find the exact incident. Point is, Rarity was, and probable still is, my favorite character. Hearing someone having a different opinion didn't bother me, but being bluntly told I wasn't allowed to have a conversation about it to express my own counter points was a bridge too far. It's not like it was the first time I got a bad vibe on Lily's channel where I felt like contrary opinions were unwelcome, it's just the point where even if Lily's attitude was just an exaggerated persona, I was through with it.
Exactly. It’s one thing to share harsh opinions or make videos about things others don’t find interesting. Star Wars, Kingdom Hearts, WoW…all of these were things I got bores of and what Lily’s content consisted more of as time went on. But to be a legitimately dangerous and toxic person? Totally different. She’s also a MASSIVE hypocrite given how much she preaches against these things online.
Lily goes on at great lengths about how much she hates predators, abusers, and bullies. Lily turns out to BE a predator, an abuser, and a bully. Something about the self-perpetuating cycle belongs here, I think....
I said this in another video but I unironically believe Lily is trying to "overcorrect" by vehemently speaking against the things she herself did out of a sense of painting herself as trustworthy and good, but there might even be some kind of lingering guilt and shame in there that makes her try to distance herself from past actions
I think it makes some measure of sense. Considering what her sister alleged, how Lilly acted as a child in ways that are generally not normal, it raises some alarm bells to me. I can't say for certain, but in most cases of COCSA, the perpetrator is also a victim of CSA. Lilly's behavior and her hatred of predators makes complete sense from this viewpoint, even if it seems contradictory. A victim of child abuse can grow up to have a distorted view of boundaries and view messed up behaviors as "normal", and this wouldn't preclude them from hating their abuser. Of course, this does not even slightly excuse Lilly.... But this is just my first thought after hearing about Lilly's behavior from a very young age. Especially hearing an eleven year old asking their sister what they thought about incest.... What eleven year old asks about that unless incest was already being normalized for them???
It’s also very disturbing that Lily is so dismissive of Cameron (Her and Courtney’s half-brother) sexually abusing Courtney as well. Courtney has never, NEVER made any claims that the abuse Lily went through in childhood is not real… maybe there were points where he corrected her on things, but Courtney never stated “Lily didn’t actually get abused as a kid.” Lily on the other hand, has dismissed every issue Courtney has gone through, including blaming Courtney in a situation where she “ran off with a pedophile” as a personal failing. According to Courtney, Lily is a toxic and abusive person who was formed by her circumstances. According to Lily, Courtney just popped out of the womb completely evil.
Dude. She's dismissive because the Canadian government has been looking into the accusations and found nothing. Their brother was in the military, and so obviously they want to check this sort of thing
@@disgustof-riley What manner of investigation occurred, if you don’t mind me asking? Did they arrest Cameron to interrogate him? How can they verify whether it actually happened when majority of cases of childhood sexual abuse goes undocumented or difficult to detect? After all, if he got accused as an adult, any signs of sexual abuse (marks, body fluids, etc) would long since have disappeared. I’m not trying to insult you, I genuinely want to know what the investigation entailed. Because I find it hard to believe that the government is totally going to find the truth behind sexual assault allegations that happened when all parties involved were young children. Most cases of sexual abuse goes unreported. Part of the reason I believe Courtney over Lily is because of how both of them are handling the seperate allegations. Courtney’s story is consistent. Lily’s is not.
@disgustof-riley8338 yeah man I definitely trust the military to tell me who is and isn't a rapist. Not like they cover up male soldiers raping and murdering female soldiers all the damn time 💀💀💀 what is this argument
@@disgustof-rileyAnd it's been a decade or more at least since the initial abuse, many places don't want to research after a certain amount of time but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
When Lily was telling you about their injury, you had that "dang that's so crazy, anyways nothing is saving you from these allegations" energy, love it fr
Honestly the only people she does have is her die-hard fans which some might be bots but aside from that she really doesn't have many people she actually talks to for my knowledge because they all left her
As someone who’s watched lily’s content as a kid, before her transition, people saying the “cant do stockholm, i wrote that one” line is faked feels actually insulting to me. I was literally there when that video was uploaded, there was nothing fake about that clip. Also love how frequently she referenced that set of fanfics in her glass of water videos and in her livestreams and she just.. hopes people dont go looking for that.
@@marshallleethefireandicepr5005 A lot. Hard to explain here but basically called me things and spread lies about me. I am hoping one day to make a video about it to let people know Mikaila isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
Instead of the red psyche locks appearing, it’s the BLACK psyche locks based on how amount bullshit she pulled and actually believing in her own lies. 😭
"I dont feel comfortable with this, Lily, I really don--" "Alright, goodbye." I did a double take with how quick she just ended the convo and threw you away
@@gem_b7798people dumping another for bringing up allegations about the person doing the dumping, or someone dumping someone for allegations about the person being dumped?
That’s what I was wondering too! You’d think Lily would care that her friend was concerned about these things, for good reason! But no the moment someone questions her, suddenly that person is wrong and has to be dropped. Didn’t even think to why KP was feeling this way.
Yep, immediately defensive for no reason. Like if you are truly innocent and have nothing to hide, just prove it. Don't dance around the subject or immediately dismiss it.
yeah, it's not just chilling, for me it's infuriating. I encountered a handful of videos a few months ago that I thought were kind of interesting, very explicitly anti-[all of the types of things Lily did], I go to check out the channel and immediately realize I was watching videos made by Lily Orchard. She really doesn't practice what she preaches.
That’s my issue with her. I don’t believe the allegations but the dichotomy makes her a MASSIVE hypocrite. Like, on the off chance this is true by her own rhetoric the act of letting this go would make Kim look bad.
Something I find interesting abt the confrontation is she brings up Courtney’s abuse at the hands of their older brother and says that she no longer believes those stories because “she’s now turning those exact same stories on me” when no that’s not what Courtney did. In Courtney’s video she first talks about the abuse at the hands of Cameron, and later the abuse at the hands of lily as multiple separate stories. It’s not like she just randomly went from saying specific stories about Cameron to switching the role out for lily like lily is trying to claim
@@wildfiretoff2789 yes because Courtney didn't actually make her damn channel before learning that Lily Orchard was her sister around summer of last year. As someone who was here for the whole ordeal and not just listening to Lily's version of events- I was there for it. Courtney never changed her story(s) about Lily, only her fears and anxieties and disturbed speculation about what Lily actually wanted from her.
@@StarSnowGhost Exactly all this! And be wary for people who say "Oh, Lily's been consistent! She's telling the truth" or whatever kinda spewing that falls into that lane. Cuz clearly, these people have never watched/interacted with Lily's content before since she ALWAYS changes it to make herself the victim
The way Lily quickly left the call after you were blunt...She barely tried to defend herself. She knew what was coming. And to cut off a friend just at the snap of a finger like that, it's like she never cared at all. Really disgusting.
What's awful is that, according to the beginning allegations- This happened with Lily also being *a child* too. Horrible that she never got help and continues, as an adult, to be fucking terrible and think there's nothing wrong with it
It's apparent that Lily was sexually abused as a little kid, which is abominable and sad, but she negated any sympathy by immediately turning around to *become* another abuser. That behavior was learned at such an early age it has cemented itself into her being, crafting her personality, and now there's really no place for her, other than a prison psych ward.
Which is ironic given she’s stated how much she hates when abuse victims are portrayed as villians. To point she denies the idea Zuko was EVER a villian and says that he isn’t responsible for his actions
@@skibot9974 That puts her viewpoint into perspective. She doesn't want to admit that Zuko could be a victim AND a villain, because it would be akin to admitting that *she herself* could also be a villain/victim. One of the core justifications for her monstrous behavior is probably rooted in her victim status. She understands how victims can become villains because it happened to her, yet she can't admit to *being* a villain. In her eyes, she's just "Lily," just her mundane, old, normal self, and that blinds her to any evil in her own actions.
@@jacksquatt6082 yeah it’s amazing how a cartoon for made for boys 7-13 understood that victimhood doesn’t replace responsibility, yet a woman in her 30s refuses to see that
It's just disturbing how she portrays herself as a staunchly anti-abuse, anti-problematic content protector of the vulnerable and underage and a victim in her videos when she (I suppose I'll say allegedly for legal reasons) wrote My Little Pony lolicon that promotes incest and child molestation, pressured friends and partners into drawing or doing sexual things for her, posted extremely graphic and intense sexual content onto her Tumblr blog that has a large following of mostly children (up to and including basically sexting with her followers), cheated on her partner with the aforementioned sexting with followers, flashing her audience during streams, and sexually abused a family member. Real wolf in sheep's clothing situation. And yes, I do believe all of the allegations because they're so consistent with each other. There's a consistent pattern of behavior of her being a horrifying, pervy, abusive creep. And she does nothing but lie, claim she's a victim of slander and people coming after her because of transphobia or because they don't like her cartoon opinions or whatever she's saying this week and present herself as someone who would really never do that by acting disgusted by fanservice in anime or people shipping Anna and Elsa from Frozen. I followed her since I was in middle school. I initially stopped following her because of how vitriolic she got in her videos and how mean she was to everyone, including her fans. All of this is just making me ashamed I ever watched her, I ever adamantly supported her.
I understand the shame you feel. I regretted ever supporting YandereDev and believing he was a victim of online harassment. I dropped off the white knight bandwagon maybe two years ago? But I still played his game and read his updates because I only thought he was just a cranky person. It was only when the “allegations” (they are SO real) came out full force around September last year and he tried to downplay the situation that I realised the gross manipulator that he was. I deleted the game and unbookmarked his blog immediately. It was *horrifying* . All that is to say, I too was ashamed of ever supporting a creep. But there is solace and pride in that we both learned and grew from these experiences. We used critical thinking and got out of dodge. It is these skills that make us better than the people we once put faith in. It’s… taking me a while to truly shake off my naïve, sheep mentality, but every step to independence is a welcome one. Because I chose not to be a sheep, but a goat. And you choose that path as well. It is a strong virtue to have. TL;DR you are not alone, and you did the right thing. As I like to say, you are no sheep, but a goat.
I brought up to two of my bffs about how she threw a fit over a fan mailing her a Switch with some games that said fan bought with their own money (which was likely over 400 dollars depending how much the games cost if not on sale or something like that) because she said that she would never buy one as she had no interest in it and that after someone suggested that she do a giveaway with it or just sell it, she admitted that she tossed it all into her closet to rot to punish the fan for giving it to her. Both found her to be crazy and extremely ungrateful for it as both bffs would be very happy and appreciative to anyone fan or not who would go out of their way to do something nice like that. While I wasn’t fond of her before that, it definitely turned me off her completely. I didn’t want to associate with someone who would be that bitter and petty to someone over a thoughtful gesture.
@@GoleonOh my god??? How was the fan even supposed to know "I have no intetest in buying one" translates to "I under no circumstances want one" and not just "I don’t want it badly enough to justify the cost"?
@@Goleon: Unless the fan who sent it has posted to confirm they did so, the fact that Lily's response to suggestions she do a giveaway or sell the Swtich was to say she buried it in a closet makes the whole thing sound entirely made up to begin with.
Lily Orchard was someone I never knew of until recently. I will declare this proudly, writing dark themes is fine. There's no problem with it. But there is a difference between writing it and glorifying it Certain dark themes need to be handled delicately. What makes Stockholm so disgusting is that other characters approve of the vile actions. When a couple of characters believe something, it is a character flaw. When all of the characters approve of something, it is the writer shoehorning their beliefs into whatever media it is they're writing.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Oh for sure. The fact Lily has done any of this stuff is disgusting. Honestly and her interests show in her writing. Lily is also a MASSIVE hypocrite. Saying she hates this kind of stuff and if you like it, you're a pedo and whatnot and then also proceeds to write it.
As someone who has both read dark fics and even considered writing some of my own, that concept of where to draw the line between exploration vs glorification is something I've thought a lot about. My general opinion is that insofar as the purely FICTIONAL is concerned, nothing should be forbidden, as long as no REAL people are being hurt. Even if a story is written entirely in bad taste, it should neither be illegal nor used as the sole foundation for moral condemnation against the author. If slasher movies can exist without the people who make them being accused of "murder", the same should be true for fanfic authors, no matter how disagreeable their subject matter of choice might be. That said, given some of the testimonies against her, Lily has crossed the line of bringing her dark fantasies into reality.
Very well said. Exactly right. I'm fine with dark and edgy, but will raise an eyebrow at least if I suspect that an artist doesn't recognize their protagonists' glaring flaws and misdeeds or is fully on board with them.
She even defended and downplayed Chris Chan before in X (formally Twitter) by saying, in quote "She's an odd person that losers on the internet got too obsessed with years ago" but when someone called her for being an apologist to a literal rapist, she blocked that person.
I always wonder if she would interview a 3rd party, non-Internet, with no ties to her. Or would she just label them a stalker and never respond to them but still shit talk on Tumblr?
Just the way that she flat out said "NNNNNope!" when you confronted her about the contents of her fanfic even tho you can go and read it, and even tho she knows!!! GROSS
Hey KP, you actually made a mistake at 3:13. That wasn't commissioned from a minor. It was commissioned from an artist called Patchwork Heart, who is an adult. The situation was still real bad. Patch and Lily were friends at one point. Lily commissioned a lot of sexual art from them, which Patch says in a video they made on the subject made them really uncomfortable. Patch describes their entire friendship as really toxic and unhealthy and describes Lily as very controlling. Their friendship actually ended because Lily made a joke on a Discord server that was really triggering for Patch because of abuse they'd gone through and acted very shitty when Patch called her out for it.
Was it friendship? Cuz I heard she was dating someone whom she forced to draw sexually explicit art. And then she cheated on them by engaging in sexual Roleplay with ppl on tumblr. This continued for a while, Lily refusing to stop. Finally the victim decided to fight back, and Lily tried to manipulate them but they broke things off in the end. So r u saying she’s done this TWICE?? Wow.
@@igelfullmetal1307How can an ADULT be groomed into drawing sexual content that someone pays them to draw? If you just don't like someone, just say that, but this level of blatant lying is just flat-out misinformation. I understand someone being uncomfortable with drawing certain aspects, but if you're taking it, it's just goods and exchange for services. Nothing wrong was done here, and KP is very obviously showing inaccurate information by accusing them of being a minor. This entire claim in general should just be dismissed. Lily asked for a drawing from an adult, and when she did, she offered to pay for it, making it a commission whether or not if the art was NSFW is irrelevant. Because it was money the artist readily accepted. No one was groomed, and no minor was involved. It's okay to not like someone just for the sake of it, hell and it's especially okay not to like someone for legitimate reasons. But this right here is just spreading gossip, and teetering on bullying. Jumping through hoops just to find a reason to hate someone is disingenuous and both you and KP should be embarrassed for bringing that one up. For her to get a fact like that completely wrong kind of calls into question the rest of this video honestly.
TBH, Lilly gave me bad vibes from day one. Between her bad faith takes of MLP, and accusations that anyone who disagreed with her was simply "haters who don't like her cause she's trans." And the fact that she never improved, and continued with her bad faith reviews for years into other shows. Especially with her calling Rebecca Sugar a "nazi" when Sugar themself is Jewish, and all the other nasty things she said about the Crewniverse
@@pinkdiamond1847 No idea. I don't watch Lilly's content, but I do watch videos of people reacting and commentating on her videos. Highly reccommend checking out HidingInPrivate, as he did some really good videos going into detail all the BS Lilly has said about Steven Universe and it's creators. There's some really crappy takes about Rebecca Sugar specifically
@@pinkdiamond1847: I used to watch Lily and saw some of her Steven Universe videos. Short version, she thinks Steven taking the moral high ground and refusing to kill the diamonds makes the show fascist propaganda.
@@EmeralBookwise If anything, It's a major character moment for Steven. It proves that, even now, he still believes in giving people second chances, even the worst people he's met thus far, and this belief in second chances for the diamonds was reinforced when Blue Diamond helped him earlier in the season. He's the hero of the story not because he punishes bad people, but because he believes that there's good in everyone
Just to start she says “Men, Women, and Intersex Women.” THOSE ARE STILL WOMEN, LILY? Secondly, I don’t doubt what happened to Lily’s sister, as she has many, many works of siblings (specifically sisters) going into incestuous relationships.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlotLily's new video "I have been stalked for 12 years" Me: *Changes the title to what Lily really did.* What Lily really did: "I have been victimising myself and hiding the fact I'm a predator race claimer who written MLP p3d0philia inc3st as an ADULT for 12 years and too chicken sht to owe up and announce everything I did and talk to my therapist so I don't feel like this again." says Lily Orchard if she was honest about her past.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlotKim, I made a realisation. For some reason I thought your art style for videos was inspired by her's but I realised it's inspired by your's. I think she changed her avatar since you two aren't associated with eachother anymore. That or I overthink things and she just wanted a change.
@@SkylarThompson-mu1qs That would require some self reflection and willingness to be critical of your own thoughts and opinions which is something Lily is either incapable of or just straight up unwilling to do.
The part that breaks me the most about this, every time Lily gets discussed, is hearing about Mikaila's involvement with Lily. I've been friends with Mikaila since 4th grade (having a huge secret crush on her well into middle school), and we've done a lot together, from cosplay, to birthday parties. I've tried reaching out to her to try to rebuild our friendship, since it ebbed and flowed a lot over the years, and I was simultaneously excited and worried for her hearing about her engagement to Lily. I've tried to keep at arms length from this whole deal because I've never been involved enough with Lily to directly engage with this myself, Mikaila has always been very important to me.
Lily isolates people..She's got Mikaila firmly in that isolation right now and has for a long while. I'm still holding out hope that she breaks out of it. - Britt
The way she immediately just cut you off despite her being buddy buddy with you for awhile after being rightfully uncomfortable with disgusting allegations is just... yikes
I'm not surprised that Lily did not want Kp to interact with Courtney at all. Britany's story reminds me of the ex friend of mine who was angry that i could not interact with him at every hour of the day.
As someone who was a fan of Lily for a long time, I really wish I could say I was surprised when this video came up. I adverted my eyes or believed the paper thin excuses when controversies came up. She would say just the right thing and had her positive history with some people I appreciated, so I held my ground. After this, I don't feel any hesitation unfollowing and criticizing. It's hard to realize someone you looked up to or appreciated is a terrible person. As someone who went through something similar to Courtney, I'm disgusted and disappointed. I remember after one of her videos, I actually sent a message talking about my abuse and she sent a kind message back supporting me. Finding out what happened was a bit heartbreaking and infuriating looking back. "They were allowing a lot of child porn and I wanted to prove that was wrong" by writing child porn??? I'm sorry that you had to go through that kind of betrayal from a friend, and I hope that you get support and time to heal. Know that we believe you and are on your side.
Also they try to use being trans as an excuse to shield themselves from the consequences. Trans communiy is already struggling enough as is, we do NOT need this.
Thank you. You're the first youtuber who's allowed me to speak openly about this and isn't just trying to use me for drama views...I appreciate it a lot. This has been a very long time coming. Lily is incredibly dangerous and one of the very few people I can confidently say is intentionally malicious. The things I've witnessed from her over the years has been beyond sickening. - Britt
@NexLegacyAccount I cried to the part where you said that she'd make you sound stupid or not smart enough to understand That she'd just crumble your likes, opinions and hobbies that don't fit with their ideals That she'd be nice and romantic to be cruel and abusive I actually just accepted for the first time that I was abused in the same ways By a person that is so similar Same biases, sexual deviance, same patterns Tge similarities are almost frightening I'm so glad you took the strength to tell this For once I feel like it really wasn't just me That it wasn't right to be used that way That really helps Thank you so much Lots of love to you
@ninthetomato I'm sorry you can relate..You deserve better and I hope you can find healing from this. Stay far away from anyone who treats you this way.
@@NexLegacyAccount I actually did find a group of people that treat me very well. They were the ones that made me realize how weird this situation was. I also hope you've met people that care about you and love you like you deserve.
I hope this is not intrusive at all but I’m curious what the word you use at 41:30 means? I’ve never heard it before and don’t know how I’d begin to look it up. I feel as though every few months another victim of this monsterous person comes out, or another shitty thing she’s done comes out, and I feel for all of you. I hope you’re living your best life!
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Getting into a call with Lily to give her a chance to explain herself is consistent with what you preach about hearing others out.
What sucks is that I used to like her. I literally took her Steven Universe video as gospel and allowed myself to replace my thoughts of the show with hers. Or rather, I had a bit of frustration with it (as anyone does with any piece of media cuz nothing is perfect) and allowed her video to be my thoughts on it. It sucks. On the one hand I should’ve been more nuanced. On the one hand I was a kid and all arguments were like, perfect to me. I feel bad that I let someone kill my love for a show that wasn’t evil, wasn’t gods gift to this world, a show that was simply good and nice and imperfect.
Maturity is realizing that your need to often form your own opinions. Yes, experiences of people outside of your demographic will be valuable to take in but more often than not, you can’t just defer to others who “seem” right.
@@wolfgangamadeusmozart1293 JFC dude, nobody likes her but you're also an obsessed freak for spamming people with a pointless "correction" nobody's gonna listen to, lol.
Just unsubscribed. I know that she had beef with Josh for awhile but to hear that she's the writer of a child-pornographic fanfiction and did all that crap to her sister when she was eleven. Nah. That's sick and not the type of content I wanna support.
@@wadeyhyena1657 That is understandable. I wasn't aware about most of the allegations till december 2022/January 2023, and she was very rude to me, who only made one comment agreeing that ONE in the million of bad takes she has made on her tumblr was actually good (surrounding spoiler culture, and looking back? While I do agree that this no spoilers rule is dumb with a lot of people, I understand them not wanting to be spoiled. Hell, Dungeon Meshi is a show I am actively watching and Lily, outta pure spite to those of us watching Dungeon Meshi, spoils the ending as a giant "fuck you" to those of us saying, "Lily, you are actively wrong about this subject whilst being very ableistic in your approach towards Laios.") and I literally searched up "Is Lily Orchard wrong" on YT, only to learn that she wasn't just wrong on a whole lotta things, but actively dangerous and hypocritical in her approaches.
I remember when I first followed Josh Scorcher, they appeared to be good friends. But then he revealed how abusive she truly was and I was glad that I never subscribed to her channel.
@@SilkMoth-w1c Cept this is a lie Josh Scorcher didn't date her when she was underage Nice try this is a common lie Lilly and her fans try to do to defame Josh's callout video on her
The latest update from Lily is her announcing that she'll be making a response to all the "harassment" she's been receiving as of late, and that it will take months to complete. But unless she displays every bit of evidence thrown against her, is able to refute it all properly without deliberately leaving out any necessary information, and demonstrates even the slightest amount of humility within her response, I don't think she'll be able to get away from this as easily as she thinks...
She's doing the exact same mistakes as Zaid Magenta. For those who don't know, he was a Brony (formerly called MisAnthroPony) who used to harass people who liked what he hates like Disney Star Wars, The Last of Us Part 2, modern Simpsons, etc. While he had his harassers, most of his haters were just people who disagreed with him. But instead of ignoring them and moving on, he continued harassing and making death threats against them, even planning to make a video exposing them. That was until people like Creepy Reading called him out of his BS and Zaid eventually deleted his channel.
The funny thing about Lily is when she tries to make herself look better she only ends up exposing more of her toxicity. Look at how many people who were her friends end up being called evil and toxic by her and she's just a poor victim. It's deflection and narcissism taking over and honestly it just keeps happening.
@@alditoification Zaid and Lily are both so similar, it's really hard to believe they aren't related. Zaid was more unhinged than even Lily because Zaid couldn't control his idiocy and had to personally attack any stranger online who liked things Zaid hated. Lily's not dumb enough to do that, but Lily picks targets to gaslight and "befriend" (i.e. USE) and has that smarmy smug demeanor while bold-faced-lying constantly and being a malcontent.
22:49 is Lily a fucking Scooby-Doo villain? Who the fuck actually ask "why are you asking me about all this?" Like you know for a fact she's guilty as hell would she literally does the "what are you getting at detective" line and her just saying goodbye after you said I feel uncomfortable about the situation really shows how guilty she is. Not only does she have an actual NPC reaction but when just told by her "friend" she is uncomfortable with these allegations instead clarifying them she would rather just throw her friend away. How she still in has a platform is beyond me.
Glad to see you kick this toxic waste dump of a person to the curb. I’m honestly surprised Lily even had any friends left in the brony community after what happened with Joshscircher years ago, or the Stockholm fanfic
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Speaking on behalf of your audience here, we forgive you for that genuine obliviousness. A video like this isn't made without _serious_ inner reflection and a willingness to tell the _correct_ stories and let the _right_ voices speak. Let none cast aspersions on you for this. You and Madd cooked, and it's _awful._ but even more than that, it's *real.*
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Everything that Lily went through with Josh was because she’s bitter about being fired by him as one of his editors, even though she was holding up a lot of time and work by refusing to do her job. And then there was the crapshow with ToonKriticY2K, which she used to turn a few against Josh and then put many of the rest of them under fire with the Brony D&D stuff after Toon’s outing. Lily has been a horrible person for a long time. I’m glad to see you’ve gotten away from her, and I hope to see the rest break away.
When I first got into the brony fandom in December 2014/January 2015, Lily Orchard was one of the first brony reviewers I came across. I found her funny and some of the points she brought up to be interesting. However, around mid-2015, I started to get the sense that she was too negative and reading too much into things regarding certain episodes within FiM, so I started distancing myself. I kept that distance until late 2016, when her public attacks on Joshscorcher began. It was only then that I realized just how toxic of a person Lily could be. The things I learned about her (and even witnessed from her) got worse over the years. There was the #RespectTheArtist incident with Lily using someone else's artwork in one of her videos without crediting her. Her sending her fans to attack Josh and Dr. Wolf after the ToonKritic fiasco. Attacking a fan artist publicly for drawing her with large proportions. Her falling out with Lizzy Orchard. Her mistreatment of a former friend (Blake Diamond, I think). Saying that Rebecca Sugar is a Nazi (when Sugar herself is of Jewish descent). And, of course, writing Stockholm and trying to cover it up while accusing all bronies of being child molesters. Everyone who split from Lily was right to do so, you included. I hope you never have to deal with her again.
holy crap we had nearly the exact same experience with her because everything you mentioned was how i also came to know lily and how i slowly came to lose respect for her, this even happened around the same year 2015
I was hesitant to look into the drama around Lily as I tried to have faith in the fact she was not all those horrendous things she vaguely denied. Now hearing it directly from a former friend, I am confident in my decision to back away from her content for good. I’m sorry to everyone who was close to her who had to deal with all of this.
1:17:40 “she will shamelessly take whatever she did to you, and flip it to where she was the victim of the thing she did to you” that part stood out to me, because you can kind of see this pattern in lily’s pokemon comic, *long* before courtney came forward with her story. for some context: the storyline is about a gardevoir belonging to lily’s self-insert character confessing that she “soul-bonded” with character!lily when she was 14 and asleep to extend her lifespan. character!lily is horrified and disgusted by this, and calls gardevoir’s actions “violating”. character!lily puts a lock on her door (much like courtney did according to her testimony), and the narrative treats this as her taking things too far and being just as “abusive” as (a poorly-disguised stand-in for) lizzy. and what disturbs me about this plot line is that *every aspect of it is tailored to make gardevoir’s actions come across as justified*. in pokemon canon, there is nothing about gardevoir as a species needing “psychic bonds” to extend their lifespan. this act did not have to be framed as gardevoir sneaking into a 14-year old’s room and performing an intimate, taboo act on her while she was sleeping. it’s framed as something gardevoir needed to do, and the narrative treats her more sympathetically than her victim. and i know someone might argue “well gardevoir isn’t a stand-in for lily herself, lily already has a self-insert character in that comic”. but why else would lily, who refuses to forgive or sympathize with fictional characters if she feels they’ve been abusive, frame the character like this? why is her self-insert treated as the one in the wrong? why is gardevoir ultimately forgiven in-universe and her actions are presented as justified? i firmly believe that this arc of the comic was either written to get ahead of the curb and claim that courtney was the abusive one, or (and it makes my skin crawl to even suggest this) present a scenario where what she allegedly did to courtney was justified and forgivable.
It could also be a way to process her own traumatic guilt. Even if Lily herself was the abuser, it sounded like she was only seven when it all started, and it probably left scars on her too. Not saying that makes any of it acceptable, only that Lily might not be a heartless monster, just someone in deep, deep denial and in desperate need of therapy.
@@EmeralBookwise She definitely is in need of therapy, and her behavior at that young of an age is a sign of trauma and most definitely SA as a child. Though I can't agree with the fact that she isn't a heartless monster even in the deeper depths of her core, you can be a monster and still be in denial and desperate need of therapy. The fact that she denies what she had done and even so denies and or twists the fanfiction and everything else she preaches shows that she does not care about getting better, which in my mind makes her a sick and disgusting person.
@@EmeralBookwiseI'd be willing to believe she wasn't a heartless monster if I hadn't spent the last 8 years watching her continue to groom and sexually abuse more and more people. And I've seen what she looks at on obscure corn sites. Whatever you imagine the absolute worst, lowest, straight-to-the-pits-of-hell content, it is worse. And it involves children. There aren't words in the English language that accurately describes how foul she is. - Britt
I'm very glad you made this video. A lot of people need to know about what Lily has done and who she has hurt because the list is extensive. Take care of yourself, KP.
Weirdly enough, as a kid who watched a lot of MLP analyzers, I was actually scared of Lily. Her tone in her videos, the way she snapped at people in her comments and insulted people on her tumblr (literally screamed at an artist for giving her FAN ART) So...I want to say I'm surprised, but I'm honestly not.
The point Courtney brings up at around 28:30 is so true. Lily deletes any negative comments on her videos and bans the person from commenting again. It's why you don't ever really see any negative comments there. She's basically created an echo chamber for herself. Edit: hearing Brittany's account of Lily's behavior towards her is absolutely horrific. There is legitimately no low it seems Lily won't sink to if it means satisfying her own narcissism. I genuinely feel part of why she identifies as trans and claims to have Native descent us just so that she can claim to be part of a marginalized group and frame any criticism she recieves as punching down and any levied at her as punching down.
I definitely agree, it’s insane how a Lily went out of the way to delete and ban people. Let alone, the type of horror Brittany went through is just awful. The moment I heard of another account and a whole story - already knew Lily was the one pulling the strings and being crazy. I’ve known someone who has done that to me and it’s just mentally unhealthy and draining.
Does anyone else remember how in her ToonKritic video, Lily described BritishNinja as a "total boss" for calmly but firmly confronting Toon about his grooming, and for giving Toon a chance to explain his side of the story while also not accepting any of his excuses? Meanwhile, she's now slandering KP as "launching a harassment campaign" FOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING TO LILY THAT LILY PRAISED BRITISHNINJA FOR DOING TO TOON. What a clown.
@@briancurtis6022 Lily has always held different standards for herself than everyone else. When some other creator gets a barrage of hate, then "cancel culture isn't real" and "it's just the internet, just listen to the criticism and say sorry." But when SHE gets negative attention online, or even just thinks she does, she can block and be as vitriolic as she wants because she's "standing up for herself" and "doesn't have to put up with creeps." She invokes abuse survivor rhetoric nonstop against others, but the second she's the one being accused, she suddenly engages in common rape myths like, "If you're not lying then why don't you just report me to the police then?" (as if it's not common knowledge in progressive circles how difficult and traumatizing prosecuting such a thing would be). Even Sketchy, when coming to her defense against one of her victims, tried to encourage the victim to forgive Lily to heal and move on -- a philosophy that Lily has railed against in multiple videos, but I guess is okay when her friends use it to defend her.
I used to like lily until the steven universe episode. Then i juat lost interest, she just became irritating to listen to. Which was kind of sad considering she was the first openly trans person i followed and a part of my brony story back when i was a teen. When all this shit came out I just felt gross, and kind of betrayed. I tried to remain neutral during the josh scorcher beef, he was right to criticize her and I feel bad for not taking a stance back then. I've come to realize shes just an awful person, I actively avoid her videos and shes not deserving of the platform shes given.
@@sonicgen20 used to be known as 'Jerry.' I think, this case, is one instance wherein I may _safely_ share this information without the usual allegations of Transphobia. I tell this because it's part of my _personal_ history and recollections of them. And, like it or not, the falsifiability present in their _own_ words calls it into question.
@@a-s-greig Which is just you tip-toeing around being transphobic. I fucking hate lily's guts and all but stuff like this makes the topic harder get involved with.
I've been casually a part of Lily's community for a long while now, and I never realized that she never actually addressed the real issues/allegations people were bringing up. She always has/continues to frame videos like this as just people having unfounded beef with her (like they're just jealous/petty). Knowing how serious everything is now, it genuinely disgusts me that she intentionally hides the truth and encourages her audience to not watch/engage with these videos so that they have no actual idea about what's happening. I looked through comments on her community post about this video and I can really see that echo chamber. Thank you so much KP for making this video. And especially thank you to Brittany for doing this interview.
Lilys response to all the victims in this situation was so disingenous and disgusting.. it basically boiled down to "everyone is a liar and fabricating evidence against me cuz they hate trans women" as if being transgender negates you from being a horrible person instead of focusing on her being accused of writing cp, assaulting her sibling, and hurting various others, you can be apart of a marginazlied group and be a horrible person and that comes with consequences.... she has no sympathy for anyone and im so sorry to all of you guys and I sincerely hope your doing better.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot yeah I’m aware, it just appears to be the only source of argument she ever seems to have, which is just absolutely wrong and invalid because it doesn’t excuse any of what she did, which is why it’s absolutely ridiculous 😅
I'm so glad you posted this KP. I always felt confused why someone as sensible and nice as you was friends with Lily. Her horrible history is just shocking.
@Nightman221k speaking from experience, manipulative people tend to surround themselves with nice and overly trusting individuals for several reasons: 1) they know that we're easier to manipulate than others, 2) they know that we're less likely to call them out because we try to see the best in people, 3) they know it'll make them look better by association, and 4) they know that we'll almost always offer support before questioning the narrative presented to us. I used to date someone like this, and in hindsight I watched her worm her way into so many positive social circles and leach off of other people's positive energy on a regular basis, but wasn't ready to believe that was what she was doing. It sucks to find out that someone you love or care deeply for has just been using you as a prop for years.
I unsubscribed from Lily Orchard because I got bored of her content. I had no idea she was into such bad things. I mean, I was told about her doing these things, but I just took it as people who were salty over her critiques trying to slander her image. Now I know better, and I’m glad you do too.
It amazes me Lily’s been able to keep their channel this long. They’ve long since fallen into Lolcow territory through the insane number of terrible things they’ve done to both friends AND shockingly family.
I Just want to tell you that you're so strong for confronting Lily, the few minutes of the call you shared with her are so uncomfortable I would've cried.
I knew something was up with lily when her glass of water series turned into 20 minutes of vitriol spat at whoever annoyed her that week. It went from breakdowns of episodes from shows, to just verbally attacking people for breathing in her direction. And then claiming victim when the person stood up for themselves and clapped back. Im glad i stopped watching her YEARS AGO. Literally dropped her ass faster than a hot potato.
Lily's video addressing this really just confirms allegations like these more. It felt like watching a cult leader use deceptive tactics to distract from the actual issues. And many, MANY people still continue to willingly support her... This is a very dangerous woman
I like how she tries to argue that her sister paints her "as both being completely pathetic and a dangerous predator at the same time", and acts like this is a contradiction. as if these two concepts are somehow mutually exclusive.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot She does that a lot. She likes to take screenshots of conversations and crop out any names, pfp, or timestamps. Then she'll claim that the allegations are baseless because there's no evidence it's actually her talking. Which is absolutely fucking WILD to me, because almost ALL of theses allegations have ALREADY been proven... By multiple people! Fuck me - there are people who discover her channel BECAUSE of other content creator's being like "Lily did X Y or Z - here's the receipt."
She criticizes cartoons and anime for having predatory themes when she herself is a predator who wrote a predatory fanfic? What a creep and a hypocrite!
Lily Orchard was legitimately a heroic figure for me as a kid. Stuck in an abusive home that I'd moved to right after leaving _another_ abusive home, her "FUCK the system and FUCK everyone who hurt you" attitude was sort of exactly what I needed. I'd replay her older pony videos constantly and I'd follow every word she said like gospel. Then I got older, and I started taking notice of the videos that criticized her and engaging with them critically. And then I watched the multi hour videos of the person exposing her for being a huge creep and 100% being the author of Stockholm. I'm 24 now, and I know that if I'd been technologically savvy enough to be on any social media site outside of Google Plus, I might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time because I practically worshiped this woman. I'm not sure what point I mean to make here, I'm just sitting with the emotions that come with the inevitable fallout of an extremely deep parasocial relationship. Don't meet your heroes I suppose, maybe just take it from me and don't idolize people in general.
It blows my mind how lily has left such a trail of people in her wake whom she's hurt and abused and she still has fans who defend her every action and claim all of them must be lying, based on nothing but 'lily said so'.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot glad you got out kp, and I'm glad you're talking about it I can see just browsing the comments that a lot of people still needed to hear this or that they believe it coming from you.
Thank you so much for bringing Madd onto the video. I have a very similar background to them, but i honestly had a bit of impostor syndrome with my NDN heritage, since i am incredibly white passing and was also left with very little information. Having their clarity made me feel confident, and im incredibly thankful for the platform you've given here.
Hey man... better to get away from her now than never. Glad youre here talking about it. It takes alot of guts to go up against someone as vendictive as lily. Kim you got my respect. I hope your life is better without that creep around ya
When you were talking to Lily on the phone and she was talking about her sister and the way she called her sister names and invalidated her experience, it made me sick to my stomach. It sounded just like what an abuser would say. Not “I didn’t do that, can’t believe she would say that about me. I need to see what’s going on and apologize for whatever issues she’s going through”. It was “oh she’s crazy. I don’t call her my sister anymore.” What a horrible person
To think about how she constantly called out the ENTIRE Brony community for being pedophiles and bigots and so on while she herself was actually doing the stuff she was pretending to be upset about is honestly sickening
I don’t know much about Lilly, but it seems the general thing she likes to do is that she tends to call every single person a pedo and bigot. For example I was watching a simailr video to this that took clips of Lilly’s vidoes to counterpoint them. There was one clip where Lilly said that Rebeca Sugar had a pedo fantasy because the diamonds characters were all singing for Steven to come back to homeworld. There was no evidence or anything, Lilly’s claim to back this up was “well, Rebeca is a huge weeb” and that’s kinda it.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot And she defended you during the whole debacle. That's going to win points. A skilled manipulator knows how to win trust. And it's so hard to tell one from a real friend.
@@moonblaze2713 I remember that, too. Looked like poor optics to me at the time because I was already distrusting Lily then, but, for the two of them to be... shall I say, "embattled" respectively, Lily played her cards _disgustingly_ well to keep the "friend" she had and wanted to be through that.
i'm so proud of you, kp, and thank you so much for delivering a platform for courtney and brittany, especially with the last platforms breaking under their feet because horrible people are everywhere, sucking up every spec of dust they can manage from people who are hurting just for their own gain and numbers. cheering you all on, carebears. keep telling your stories.
The "why are you asking me this" is fucking crazy😭your friend came to you to see your side of the story instead of jumping to conclusions wtf AND THEN SHE JUST ENDS IT
Number 1. I was subscribed to Lily for an unfortunately long time, I was in the mlp fandom and I child so I didn’t know any better. And she did a really good job deflecting any allegation made against her. It took until earlier this year when all this was coming out for me to finally bite the bullet. 2. One thing I will say about Lily is that she was good at being in the right side of fandom discourse especially during the brony fandom. There was this one brony creator (I forgot his name, toon something?) anyways he was caught grooming minors and I think went to prison. The whole brony D&D podcast thing you see referenced in the comments was that he was included in that podcast and the creator of the podcast still uploaded the episodes he was in after the allegations, with only a brief disclaimer in the beginning. That’s not right, and Lily was right with asking for those episodes to be deleted (a broken clock is right twice a day). 3. You need to understand that during the KP smear campaign Lily was her most vocal and one of her only defenders. This is why KP trusted her for so long, because she was one of the only people in that fandom she could trust. And hearing that someone you trusted for so long did such bad things is an earth shattering experience that’s going to take some time to process. So stop commenting “you were FRIENDS WITH HER” or “how did it take you THIS LONG to cut ties with her?” That’s so unfair and you obviously never had to go through something like this. What’s important is that she did cut ties and she did make this video.
@@sjmhadsock4586 yeah that’s him. It’s important to note while I’m sure Lily did the same thing with Josh he is absolutely not innocent because he covered hard for toon when that stuff came out. A LOT of people in the brony fandom were very problematic in some way and A LOT were creepy with minors. It’s funny how often Lily would call these people out when she also did a lot of the same stuff they did. It’s really troubling because there were a lot of underaged people the MLP fandom (as it is a kids show) and people rarely called out how it’s a bad idea to have so many adult men in spaces with children. I don’t think there was anything wrong with Bronies as a concept and I’m sure most of them were innocent people who just liked MLP. But that fandom was a perfect place for P3D0s because it was considered normal for adult men to interact with children as they were just discussing MLP there shouldn’t be anything wrong with that. I was like 9-10 years old when I was in the mlp fandom, and I was lucky I didn’t decide to interact with any of these people. But then again these people should’ve had strongly discouraged interacting with anyone underaged. There needs to be greater care taken in protecting children in fandom spaces especially when the content is made for kids.
I'd bring up my own involvement in the D&D situation, wanting to be a middleman of sorts for people who were still interested, but that is a long story and an irrelevant footnote.
@@mattstart8180 actually Josh, was working with others to collect evidence against Toon, so they had to keep things close to the vest, 1) to ensure the victims felt safe, 2) that no one could get to the victim's and get them recant there statements, 3) when dealing with someone who is manipulative you got to be smart. The main reason why he got away with so much for so long, he made sure, he got his side out first, to paint it as a fan who was over stepping the line, he and another got into an argument and they got bent out of shape about it, it was a misunderstanding, he was just joking around. Until they had proof of his true nature, he was able to keep ppl from. Seeing his red flags. There alot of fandoms who have adult, teen and child fans, and creeps, find there way into the fandoms. Personaly anyone who joins a fandom for any reason other than the enjoyment of the reason for that fandom are nothing more than parasites who only goal is to harm the fandom and the people who are a member of it. O3do and fandom parasites, are only in any given fandoms because that's am easy way to get to there victim's. It's wrong to label a whole group of people as bad, just because bad people are useing that fandom for other reasons than to enjoy the the reason for that fabdom. Basically this, "All elephants are Grey, buy not all Grey things are elephants."
As someone who was a fan of Lily for a long time, Thank you for making this video KP. And thank you to everyone who was interviewed. You were all really brave for coming forward. ❤
I unsubscribe Lily’s channel because she has a pure hatred for anime and the way she insulted anime fans by calling them “disgusting weebs” when in reality we’re just normal people who do have lives of their own. When Lily made a video called Steven Universe is Garbage and here’s why and her Dungeon Meshi came out I knew it was the last straw for me and suffered a mental breakdown because of her. Lily isn’t a creative critic to begin with at all do to her unhealthy desires
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot It’s ok, at least I can thank Lily for being a huge fan of World of Warcraft, and enjoy pokemon both the story and post game along with their spin off games.
It was her Dungeon Meshi video for me, too. There was a comment she made to someone who politely criticized her opinion on the tone of the show being inconsistent, and her response was to say that all anime was bad and that Japanese writing was a "Skill Issue." She then deleted that entire comment chain (which consisted of about 16 comments) not even a day later. That's when it became clear to me that Lilly is unable to take anything resembling criticism, even if the person giving it is being perfectly polite. Her response is always to attack and belittle them, then delete or ban them.
Speaking of the dungeon messhi video…apparently she’s talked about hating the sibling relationship in Digimon cuz she misinterpreted a poor translation of the creator of the anime talking about some “incestous relationship” in the show. And yet, in the new video she talks about how it’s an example of a good relationship. Take it with a grain of salt tho, since this IS secondhand info. But I do find it funny how much she flip flops.
I feel nauseated by how central this person was to my formative years. I found her videos when I was a child and idolized her through my teenagehood, to an unhealthy extent. I know I wasn't the only one, I was immersed in her community and so many of us tried to mold ourselves into her rigid standards for what made a "good" writer/activist/human being. She has a way of getting under young people's skin without even directly interacting with them, and that, to me, is terrifying. I cut myself off from her content, ironically, because her vitriolic and unforgiving approach toward anyone she doesn't view as 100% squeaky-clean and morally "pure" was feeding my OCD. How poetic it is that she's exactly the kind of predator she so vehemently denounced.
I had a very similar experience. After the Steven Universe video I just full on made that my opinion. I also fervently agreed with her on queer being a slur. Then as I discussed it with the AJ Universe I kinda got that shit out of my head, and I was becoming aware of just how preemptively defensive she was about everything, and then the Lizzy stuff happened and I kinda went "oh so those 'false' abuse accusations may not be so false" and I haven't watch a second of her content since.
Not to mention all the comments on said post blatantly saying they didn't even watch the entirety of KP's video. The copium is strong with this one. :P
And I even defended her the other day... (sigh) A red flag was how she would berate me if I made a comment that displeased her, but she would phrase it to make me seem like the bad guy. One time she mentioned on tumblr that some fighting games were just an excuse to slap a bunch of OCs together, and when I replied with a joke that she should make a fighting game based on her OCs, she called me a creep. I mean, where the hell did that come from? EDIT: BTW, I don't think I will watch the whole video. Don't think I'll be able to stomach it all. Even just some sections were disturbing enough.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot it was sad, but necessary. I don't mind that she's opinionated (I even agree with some she has), but the hypocrisy of her calling out anime and mlp fans for... you know... that's the ending point for me.
listening to britt's story about lily reminded me so deeply of an abusive person i was in a toxic friendship with. even if she didn't write stockholm, even if she didn't hurt courtney, even if all this other stuff was totally made up... she just sounds like a nasty person.
There's something nice about seeing people cover Lily more openly, as for the past few years I've kept up with the allegations, it was surrounded by infighting or not a big enough platform to reach Lily's stalwart fanbase. It's been frustrating to see as an ex-fan who got the ick when Lily platformed Princes M*lestia alllll the way back in 2015. I REALLY hope this changes now that you and a few other people have been platforming her victims and making sure their voices are heard. Hope everyone finds healing here!
@@DistortedDissonance It was a LONG time ago. easily 10 years ago. Lily used to post videos about fandom creations and one of them was Princess Molestia. A lot of her videos from this era are long deleted (like her views on Tyrantlestia.) But I remember her talking to the character like it was an interview and generally advocating for the interpretation.
@@DistortedDissonance Yeah, it's actually disgusting. You responding to my comment made me realize just how many of her videos are now off of her youtube, like I can only find people's screen capped thumbnail of Tyrantlestia from this set of fan celestia interpretations she talked about. Anything over 8 years old is gone on her channel!
I remember Lily being the person that made that one Steven Universe video. I recently had another video recommended to me that was a relatively friendly reply video to it, and one thing that stuck out to me was how the person stated how they knew the video was four years old and hoped she has improved from it. This is actually depressing. I was not expecting this
I stopped watching Lily for an admittedly petty reason. I never agreed with her opinions, which usually isn't a problem, but the way she expressed her opinions was so arrogant, argumentative, condescending and...overall very negative? Finding out about her Steven Universe video, and watching her MLP music tier list, really affirmed this. And then I found out about all the awful things she did (particularly, the fanfic, how she treated her sister and a few of her online contacts, and the inappropriate content she posts), and then I really never wanted to watch her again. She does not deserve a platform. I really wish her victims a peaceful recovery. What they went through is awful. As another commenter said, in regards to Lily herself, leave the demon to her demons.
"Cracks neck" Lets do this! Half way in and WOW, I knew that Lily was awful and abusive but she legit belong in prison! My heart goes out to all of her victims. None of you deserved any of this.
the phone call with her is so bizarre, like as soon as you even vaguely imply you're not 100% sure of the situation she immediately cuts you off. You don't even accuse her, just express uncertainty
That was the tone I was going for. I was very tempted to yell at her about lying and how much of a fool she made me look, but figured I’d get her with her own excuse.
This whole situation has just made me incredibly sad. I was a huge fan of Lily when I was in highschool and about to go into college. I think it was around the time when the Toon situation was going on that I discovered her channel? But she inspired me a lot as an artist and writer myself. Hell, I became more invested in your channel after her videos talking about how the Brony community was treating you at the time. As I started developing my own stories, Lily’s advice inspired me a lot to go farther with my themes and characters. I even would have her videos on as background noise while I was drawing and was overjoyed when she commented on a piece of fanart I drew for her. But when I started getting into other TH-camrs who encouraged their audiences to look deeper into things and not accept everything at face value, that’s when I started noticing some red flags with Lily and her content. She would start saying things that didn’t add up, she would accuse people of being horrible things with little to no evidence, stuff wasn’t adding up. When I finally watched all these videos I realized just how sneaky, manipulative and cruel she is. It’s like the person I had been watching and idolizing never existed. I hope all the victims are able to get justice.
Lily Orchard has always been a snake. The more she's online, the more she's distancing herself from her associates and audience. In other words: I hated Lily from the very start to the very finish of her TH-cam career, and with the very deaths of other hated people in the Brony Fandom/Reviewing Community like ZaidMAP and Star Giant Productions. Hopefully that means Lily's career will finally be over.
@@TheAssholeAspie They deleted their channels and online presences. Thankfully cause they're both too absurd and toxic to be trusted to have an online presence, MUCH LIKE LILY.
I stopped watching Lilly a long time ago because of how much drama she had surrounding her and the bad vibes she gave off, but I had no idea it was THIS bad. I'm so sorry you had to go through any of this KP.
the straight up "nope" about dashxscoots is fucking crazy. there's screenshots of the fic!!! plus pretty sure no pedophile characters in the story get 'shot in the head', and even if they do, the content of the fic is like 90% pedo shit. not that ive read it (which im sure she'd dismiss this comment on that basis alone) but the screenshots...there's no arguing with people who have actually read it
It’s so ironic that Lily has done all these horrible things from Courtney to Stockholm and still had the gall to paint characters in Steven universe as predatory in any way.
It’s very “everyone is the problem but me” and just straight-up projection..
god her media takes are just awful lmao especially Steven universe, also saying over and over that she 'wouldnt blame anyone for thinking Reecca Sugar is a N@zi' because the diamonds were redeemed and 'they're supposed to be the N@zis" even though Sugar IS JEWISH
Tbh, I think unfortunately lily does have a lot of good points about Steven universe, and a lot of other media she has covered on her channel. That is one reason of what makes her so easily able to deflect bad accusations against her, cause she tries to publicly align herself with a lot of points and ideals that are reflective of someone who is very progressive and leftist. That’s what kind of makes this whole things even more disgusting, as she is clearly using these very valid and understandable ideals as a way to maintain a following and make herself look like the good guy.
@@bellz3096 honestly i kinda disagree? it feels more like she was just jumping on a bandwagon and also that she was either ignoring the context of the show a lot of the time or just attacking rebecca sugar
@@CyanWatercress4 I said specifically a lot of the points Lily made about the show Steven Universe are valid, not about the creator. Those are separate. I personally don’t think a lot of the story content Rebecca created was that great (love her and her brother’s art though!), but Lily’s hate towards Rebecca sugar was unhinged and chronically online behavior lol. So wild.
Man, imagine unfollowing Lily because you think she's a killjoy and a hardass, only to find out she's legit an awful person. My condolences to all her victims.
Appreciate the comment!
I don’t have to imagine it, since that’s pretty much why I unsubscribed from her. I could forgive Lily for having strongly different opinions on stuff, but her attitude towards things she didn’t like eventually got boring for me. I don’t know whether I’m glad I unsubscribed when I did (almost a year ago), or if it would’ve felt better to do so solely because of this information.
I used to watch her stuff, like maybe 7 or 8 years ago. Most of it was pretty entertaining, but yeah, there was often this confrontational edge, this smug sense of self superiority in her own opinions and takes being better than everyone else, but I mostly wrote it off as schtick because that was a somewhat common act with a lot internet personas of the time... or at least in the other kind of video content creators I was also following back then, for whatever that might say about my tastes.
The straw that broke the calm's back for me was one video where Lily made some claim about Rarity. I don't recall what that claim was anymore, I just remember disagreeing with it. Before I could even consider commenting on it, however, Lily went on in her video to say something to the effect that anyone who disagreed with her on that point was a bigot and all comments on the subject would be deleted. Those aren't exact words, as I have no interest in digging through her archives to find the exact incident.
Point is, Rarity was, and probable still is, my favorite character. Hearing someone having a different opinion didn't bother me, but being bluntly told I wasn't allowed to have a conversation about it to express my own counter points was a bridge too far. It's not like it was the first time I got a bad vibe on Lily's channel where I felt like contrary opinions were unwelcome, it's just the point where even if Lily's attitude was just an exaggerated persona, I was through with it.
Exactly. It’s one thing to share harsh opinions or make videos about things others don’t find interesting. Star Wars, Kingdom Hearts, WoW…all of these were things I got bores of and what Lily’s content consisted more of as time went on.
But to be a legitimately dangerous and toxic person? Totally different. She’s also a MASSIVE hypocrite given how much she preaches against these things online.
That’s me 😢 I’ve felt this
Cant forget this gem of a quote, "cant review Stockholm, i wrote that one" from her own video back in her ponysona days
I purposely didn’t include that one because it’s overdone.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot that's fair! Especially when there's more than that one quote
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot I mean, when it comes to exposing predators, no horse is too dead for me to beat. Or pony, I suppose, in this case
@@gokuxsephiroth4505 "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
Do you have a link to that quote?
Lily goes on at great lengths about how much she hates predators, abusers, and bullies.
Lily turns out to BE a predator, an abuser, and a bully.
Something about the self-perpetuating cycle belongs here, I think....
plot twist
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot seems like Lily can only write what she knows, eh?
I call that a little bit of ✨irony✨
I said this in another video but I unironically believe Lily is trying to "overcorrect" by vehemently speaking against the things she herself did out of a sense of painting herself as trustworthy and good, but there might even be some kind of lingering guilt and shame in there that makes her try to distance herself from past actions
I think it makes some measure of sense. Considering what her sister alleged, how Lilly acted as a child in ways that are generally not normal, it raises some alarm bells to me. I can't say for certain, but in most cases of COCSA, the perpetrator is also a victim of CSA. Lilly's behavior and her hatred of predators makes complete sense from this viewpoint, even if it seems contradictory. A victim of child abuse can grow up to have a distorted view of boundaries and view messed up behaviors as "normal", and this wouldn't preclude them from hating their abuser. Of course, this does not even slightly excuse Lilly.... But this is just my first thought after hearing about Lilly's behavior from a very young age. Especially hearing an eleven year old asking their sister what they thought about incest.... What eleven year old asks about that unless incest was already being normalized for them???
It’s also very disturbing that Lily is so dismissive of Cameron (Her and Courtney’s half-brother) sexually abusing Courtney as well. Courtney has never, NEVER made any claims that the abuse Lily went through in childhood is not real… maybe there were points where he corrected her on things, but Courtney never stated “Lily didn’t actually get abused as a kid.”
Lily on the other hand, has dismissed every issue Courtney has gone through, including blaming Courtney in a situation where she “ran off with a pedophile” as a personal failing.
According to Courtney, Lily is a toxic and abusive person who was formed by her circumstances. According to Lily, Courtney just popped out of the womb completely evil.
It’s messy for sure
Dude. She's dismissive because the Canadian government has been looking into the accusations and found nothing. Their brother was in the military, and so obviously they want to check this sort of thing
@@disgustof-riley What manner of investigation occurred, if you don’t mind me asking? Did they arrest Cameron to interrogate him? How can they verify whether it actually happened when majority of cases of childhood sexual abuse goes undocumented or difficult to detect? After all, if he got accused as an adult, any signs of sexual abuse (marks, body fluids, etc) would long since have disappeared.
I’m not trying to insult you, I genuinely want to know what the investigation entailed. Because I find it hard to believe that the government is totally going to find the truth behind sexual assault allegations that happened when all parties involved were young children. Most cases of sexual abuse goes unreported.
Part of the reason I believe Courtney over Lily is because of how both of them are handling the seperate allegations. Courtney’s story is consistent. Lily’s is not.
@disgustof-riley8338 yeah man I definitely trust the military to tell me who is and isn't a rapist. Not like they cover up male soldiers raping and murdering female soldiers all the damn time 💀💀💀 what is this argument
@@disgustof-rileyAnd it's been a decade or more at least since the initial abuse, many places don't want to research after a certain amount of time but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
When Lily was telling you about their injury, you had that "dang that's so crazy, anyways nothing is saving you from these allegations" energy, love it fr
I believe she was lying about the injury
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot200%
Lily got an injury? She's unemployed and never leaves her apartment! What, did she stub her toe getting out of bed? lmao
If I had a nickel for every time LilyOrchard treated friends like shit and they made an exposed video on her I'd be a billionaire
Even if KP's drop on on it seems late, unless Lily managed to do soemthing _again_ recently
@@ToaDaGardeKat you mean her ongoing smear campaign against her sister?
Honestly the only people she does have is her die-hard fans which some might be bots but aside from that she really doesn't have many people she actually talks to for my knowledge because they all left her
@@ToaDaGardeKat well, i did see her saying that she was gonna make a response video and proceeded to make up shit portraying her as the victim.
stockholm 2 when
(hopefully never)
As someone who’s watched lily’s content as a kid, before her transition, people saying the “cant do stockholm, i wrote that one” line is faked feels actually insulting to me. I was literally there when that video was uploaded, there was nothing fake about that clip.
Also love how frequently she referenced that set of fanfics in her glass of water videos and in her livestreams and she just.. hopes people dont go looking for that.
*shrug*
You can really tell she was proud of it "At the time".
I was perfectly happy having forgotten Lily existed. Out of respect, I will say no more about my past experiences with Lily.
Whatever happened, I’m sorry. You didn’t deserve it
I'm a victim of Mikaila. I feel this.
Tru
@@bluwulf17 What did Mikaila do to you?
@@marshallleethefireandicepr5005 A lot. Hard to explain here but basically called me things and spread lies about me. I am hoping one day to make a video about it to let people know Mikaila isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
Lily is not beating the allegations.
She just photoshopped our logs and lied about what they were about. It's not fooling anyone.
New to this whole rabbit-hole and it's seeming like she's just been doing nothing but adding fuel to the fire at her feet for a while now
She is not beating them but they sure are beating her up with a wombo combo
@@darkgold120 OHHHH OHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHH
Lily's trotting out her excuse of "If I'm actually a criminal, file charges or piss off", as though that's something people can actually do.
*Assumes everyone lives in her country*
I mean, she’s right.
@@LaineMannShe's right that everyone lives in her country?
@@Asta_Rose _we're all "first nations" here, when you really stop to think about it, yes..._
@@a-s-greig Not if your descendents are from Europe
When she paused in her that call and then said "Nope." I swear i heard ace attorney psyche locks after a pause of that length.
It was very obvious.
HOLD IT
Instead of the red psyche locks appearing, it’s the BLACK psyche locks based on how amount bullshit she pulled and actually believing in her own lies. 😭
"I dont feel comfortable with this, Lily, I really don--"
"Alright, goodbye."
I did a double take with how quick she just ended the convo and threw you away
She's literally a psychopath. It's like she doesn't care about people's emotions at all.
even a call with me and my friends where everyone is pissed off and refusing to talk to eachother doesn't end that quickly
That's what Lily does. She throws people away.
Yeah, that was shocking. I would have thought she would attempt to try and mend things, but nope.
KP said she was uncomfortable with the allegations And Lily said OK and hung up that's the responsible thing
If someone is that quick to just DUMP you after bringing up "allegations" -- they're true.
The call made me feel icky
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot very very uncomfortable, tbh. I'm sorry that happened :( the whole thing is just...oof.
Or betrayal potentially?
Maybe for lily orchard but i have witnessed a few cases where an online figure dumps another over allegations that turn out to be fake
@@gem_b7798people dumping another for bringing up allegations about the person doing the dumping, or someone dumping someone for allegations about the person being dumped?
Kim:"I dont feel comfortable about the allegations surrounding you."
Lily:"Goodbye"
Me:"The fuck kinda response is that???"
That’s what I was wondering too! You’d think Lily would care that her friend was concerned about these things, for good reason! But no the moment someone questions her, suddenly that person is wrong and has to be dropped. Didn’t even think to why KP was feeling this way.
Yep, immediately defensive for no reason. Like if you are truly innocent and have nothing to hide, just prove it. Don't dance around the subject or immediately dismiss it.
She literally treats people like tools
The Lily response
The answer of guilty liar
The dichotomy between what Lily says in her videos and how she behaves literally anywhere else is kind of chilling
It's true
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot great video btw. It's the most thorough breakdown of Lily's actions I've ever seen. I hope her victims are doing well
yeah, it's not just chilling, for me it's infuriating. I encountered a handful of videos a few months ago that I thought were kind of interesting, very explicitly anti-[all of the types of things Lily did], I go to check out the channel and immediately realize I was watching videos made by Lily Orchard. She really doesn't practice what she preaches.
@@SnoFitzroy in the comments of her most recent video, Lily calls KP's video a fucking "harassment campaign". The audacity of this woman istfg
That’s my issue with her. I don’t believe the allegations but the dichotomy makes her a MASSIVE hypocrite. Like, on the off chance this is true by her own rhetoric the act of letting this go would make Kim look bad.
Something I find interesting abt the confrontation is she brings up Courtney’s abuse at the hands of their older brother and says that she no longer believes those stories because “she’s now turning those exact same stories on me” when no that’s not what Courtney did. In Courtney’s video she first talks about the abuse at the hands of Cameron, and later the abuse at the hands of lily as multiple separate stories. It’s not like she just randomly went from saying specific stories about Cameron to switching the role out for lily like lily is trying to claim
Lily gets the stories confused easily because she doesn't remember Courtney's version, I think
@@wildfiretoff2789 yes because Courtney didn't actually make her damn channel before learning that Lily Orchard was her sister around summer of last year. As someone who was here for the whole ordeal and not just listening to Lily's version of events- I was there for it. Courtney never changed her story(s) about Lily, only her fears and anxieties and disturbed speculation about what Lily actually wanted from her.
@@StarSnowGhost Exactly all this!
And be wary for people who say "Oh, Lily's been consistent! She's telling the truth" or whatever kinda spewing that falls into that lane. Cuz clearly, these people have never watched/interacted with Lily's content before since she ALWAYS changes it to make herself the victim
Oh hi Jester
@@mallowtonmouse OMG MOUSE HAIIII
The way Lily quickly left the call after you were blunt...She barely tried to defend herself. She knew what was coming. And to cut off a friend just at the snap of a finger like that, it's like she never cared at all. Really disgusting.
What's awful is that, according to the beginning allegations- This happened with Lily also being *a child* too. Horrible that she never got help and continues, as an adult, to be fucking terrible and think there's nothing wrong with it
I think if Lily owned up, the story would be different
@@karmageddon9047 doesn’t she get money for disability? And mandatory therapy?
@@ultrav5012 no idea
Remember everyone: If it gets flagged and taken down, that means it's canon.
lol
You got me thinking of MeatCaynon’s Bug’s Bunny video
@@bibigamer502 Same principle :^)
Wabbit season was a wonderful artistic piece taken way too soon 😭
Oh, wow. The panic in her voice when you offered to reach out to Courtney.
It was pretty ick
Sounds like she was scared of being called out on her bs
Yeah, I wouldnvt want to talk to my rapist either
@@bibigamer502 more like she hadn't prepared enough lies to cover herself
It's apparent that Lily was sexually abused as a little kid, which is abominable and sad, but she negated any sympathy by immediately turning around to *become* another abuser. That behavior was learned at such an early age it has cemented itself into her being, crafting her personality, and now there's really no place for her, other than a prison psych ward.
It’s a shame.
Which is ironic given she’s stated how much she hates when abuse victims are portrayed as villians. To point she denies the idea Zuko was EVER a villian and says that he isn’t responsible for his actions
@@skibot9974 That puts her viewpoint into perspective. She doesn't want to admit that Zuko could be a victim AND a villain, because it would be akin to admitting that *she herself* could also be a villain/victim. One of the core justifications for her monstrous behavior is probably rooted in her victim status. She understands how victims can become villains because it happened to her, yet she can't admit to *being* a villain. In her eyes, she's just "Lily," just her mundane, old, normal self, and that blinds her to any evil in her own actions.
@@jacksquatt6082 yeah it’s amazing how a cartoon for made for boys 7-13 understood that victimhood doesn’t replace responsibility, yet a woman in her 30s refuses to see that
I mean, YEAH. She’s talked about that extensively .
It's just disturbing how she portrays herself as a staunchly anti-abuse, anti-problematic content protector of the vulnerable and underage and a victim in her videos when she (I suppose I'll say allegedly for legal reasons) wrote My Little Pony lolicon that promotes incest and child molestation, pressured friends and partners into drawing or doing sexual things for her, posted extremely graphic and intense sexual content onto her Tumblr blog that has a large following of mostly children (up to and including basically sexting with her followers), cheated on her partner with the aforementioned sexting with followers, flashing her audience during streams, and sexually abused a family member. Real wolf in sheep's clothing situation. And yes, I do believe all of the allegations because they're so consistent with each other. There's a consistent pattern of behavior of her being a horrifying, pervy, abusive creep. And she does nothing but lie, claim she's a victim of slander and people coming after her because of transphobia or because they don't like her cartoon opinions or whatever she's saying this week and present herself as someone who would really never do that by acting disgusted by fanservice in anime or people shipping Anna and Elsa from Frozen.
I followed her since I was in middle school. I initially stopped following her because of how vitriolic she got in her videos and how mean she was to everyone, including her fans. All of this is just making me ashamed I ever watched her, I ever adamantly supported her.
I understand the shame you feel. I regretted ever supporting YandereDev and believing he was a victim of online harassment. I dropped off the white knight bandwagon maybe two years ago? But I still played his game and read his updates because I only thought he was just a cranky person. It was only when the “allegations” (they are SO real) came out full force around September last year and he tried to downplay the situation that I realised the gross manipulator that he was. I deleted the game and unbookmarked his blog immediately. It was *horrifying* .
All that is to say, I too was ashamed of ever supporting a creep. But there is solace and pride in that we both learned and grew from these experiences. We used critical thinking and got out of dodge. It is these skills that make us better than the people we once put faith in. It’s… taking me a while to truly shake off my naïve, sheep mentality, but every step to independence is a welcome one. Because I chose not to be a sheep, but a goat. And you choose that path as well. It is a strong virtue to have.
TL;DR you are not alone, and you did the right thing. As I like to say, you are no sheep, but a goat.
I brought up to two of my bffs about how she threw a fit over a fan mailing her a Switch with some games that said fan bought with their own money (which was likely over 400 dollars depending how much the games cost if not on sale or something like that) because she said that she would never buy one as she had no interest in it and that after someone suggested that she do a giveaway with it or just sell it, she admitted that she tossed it all into her closet to rot to punish the fan for giving it to her. Both found her to be crazy and extremely ungrateful for it as both bffs would be very happy and appreciative to anyone fan or not who would go out of their way to do something nice like that. While I wasn’t fond of her before that, it definitely turned me off her completely. I didn’t want to associate with someone who would be that bitter and petty to someone over a thoughtful gesture.
@@GoleonOh my god??? How was the fan even supposed to know "I have no intetest in buying one" translates to "I under no circumstances want one" and not just "I don’t want it badly enough to justify the cost"?
@@Goleon: Unless the fan who sent it has posted to confirm they did so, the fact that Lily's response to suggestions she do a giveaway or sell the Swtich was to say she buried it in a closet makes the whole thing sound entirely made up to begin with.
And don’t forget that Lily wrote Stockholm based on her own fantasies of what she wanted to do to her sister, Courtney.
Lily Orchard was someone I never knew of until recently.
I will declare this proudly, writing dark themes is fine. There's no problem with it. But there is a difference between writing it and glorifying it
Certain dark themes need to be handled delicately. What makes Stockholm so disgusting is that other characters approve of the vile actions. When a couple of characters believe something, it is a character flaw. When all of the characters approve of something, it is the writer shoehorning their beliefs into whatever media it is they're writing.
Honestly, who cares about the fictional stockholm when Lily groomed and raped minors. We’re well past “i dunno, that could be a red flag…”
I think Courtney's testimony is worse than Stockholm, imo.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Oh for sure. The fact Lily has done any of this stuff is disgusting. Honestly and her interests show in her writing.
Lily is also a MASSIVE hypocrite. Saying she hates this kind of stuff and if you like it, you're a pedo and whatnot and then also proceeds to write it.
As someone who has both read dark fics and even considered writing some of my own, that concept of where to draw the line between exploration vs glorification is something I've thought a lot about. My general opinion is that insofar as the purely FICTIONAL is concerned, nothing should be forbidden, as long as no REAL people are being hurt. Even if a story is written entirely in bad taste, it should neither be illegal nor used as the sole foundation for moral condemnation against the author.
If slasher movies can exist without the people who make them being accused of "murder", the same should be true for fanfic authors, no matter how disagreeable their subject matter of choice might be.
That said, given some of the testimonies against her, Lily has crossed the line of bringing her dark fantasies into reality.
Very well said. Exactly right.
I'm fine with dark and edgy, but will raise an eyebrow at least if I suspect that an artist doesn't recognize their protagonists' glaring flaws and misdeeds or is fully on board with them.
The amount of foreshadowing and Freudian slipping in Lily's history is like Chris Chan levels of hindsight
A little bit, yea
She even defended and downplayed Chris Chan before in X (formally Twitter) by saying, in quote "She's an odd person that losers on the internet got too obsessed with years ago" but when someone called her for being an apologist to a literal rapist, she blocked that person.
@@firemaster9293 in a video she did compare herself to chris because of people going after her for being a creep
18:14 Wow, Lily sure got flustered and dodgy the second you directly asked about Courtney and Stockholm.
I always wonder if she would interview a 3rd party, non-Internet, with no ties to her. Or would she just label them a stalker and never respond to them but still shit talk on Tumblr?
Also, hi Sai! Nice to see you!
Hey sai
Sup Sai!
Hi Sai!
Just the way that she flat out said "NNNNNope!" when you confronted her about the contents of her fanfic even tho you can go and read it, and even tho she knows!!! GROSS
Agree
Lily is not even a she, he's a he.
@wolfgangamadeusmozart1293 incorrect, she's a trans woman so she's a woman. Let's not use one horrible trans person as a reason to be transphobic.
Hey KP, you actually made a mistake at 3:13. That wasn't commissioned from a minor. It was commissioned from an artist called Patchwork Heart, who is an adult. The situation was still real bad. Patch and Lily were friends at one point. Lily commissioned a lot of sexual art from them, which Patch says in a video they made on the subject made them really uncomfortable. Patch describes their entire friendship as really toxic and unhealthy and describes Lily as very controlling. Their friendship actually ended because Lily made a joke on a Discord server that was really triggering for Patch because of abuse they'd gone through and acted very shitty when Patch called her out for it.
Was it friendship? Cuz I heard she was dating someone whom she forced to draw sexually explicit art. And then she cheated on them by engaging in sexual Roleplay with ppl on tumblr.
This continued for a while, Lily refusing to stop. Finally the victim decided to fight back, and Lily tried to manipulate them but they broke things off in the end.
So r u saying she’s done this TWICE?? Wow.
@@ma.2089 Yes, she did this twice. You’re thinking about Lizzie, her ex.
Yeah, Patch was not a minor at the time but I am comfortable saying that they were groomed into drawing those things.
@@igelfullmetal1307How can an ADULT be groomed into drawing sexual content that someone pays them to draw? If you just don't like someone, just say that, but this level of blatant lying is just flat-out misinformation.
I understand someone being uncomfortable with drawing certain aspects, but if you're taking it, it's just goods and exchange for services. Nothing wrong was done here, and KP is very obviously showing inaccurate information by accusing them of being a minor. This entire claim in general should just be dismissed. Lily asked for a drawing from an adult, and when she did, she offered to pay for it, making it a commission whether or not if the art was NSFW is irrelevant. Because it was money the artist readily accepted.
No one was groomed, and no minor was involved. It's okay to not like someone just for the sake of it, hell and it's especially okay not to like someone for legitimate reasons. But this right here is just spreading gossip, and teetering on bullying.
Jumping through hoops just to find a reason to hate someone is disingenuous and both you and KP should be embarrassed for bringing that one up. For her to get a fact like that completely wrong kind of calls into question the rest of this video honestly.
My bad, but still very bad though
TBH, Lilly gave me bad vibes from day one. Between her bad faith takes of MLP, and accusations that anyone who disagreed with her was simply "haters who don't like her cause she's trans." And the fact that she never improved, and continued with her bad faith reviews for years into other shows. Especially with her calling Rebecca Sugar a "nazi" when Sugar themself is Jewish, and all the other nasty things she said about the Crewniverse
I'm sorry what?
What did Rebecca Sugar ever do to her?
@@pinkdiamond1847 No idea. I don't watch Lilly's content, but I do watch videos of people reacting and commentating on her videos. Highly reccommend checking out HidingInPrivate, as he did some really good videos going into detail all the BS Lilly has said about Steven Universe and it's creators. There's some really crappy takes about Rebecca Sugar specifically
@@pinkdiamond1847: I used to watch Lily and saw some of her Steven Universe videos. Short version, she thinks Steven taking the moral high ground and refusing to kill the diamonds makes the show fascist propaganda.
Calling a Jewish person a Nazi because you don’t like their cartoon is the wildest thing ever
@@EmeralBookwise If anything, It's a major character moment for Steven. It proves that, even now, he still believes in giving people second chances, even the worst people he's met thus far, and this belief in second chances for the diamonds was reinforced when Blue Diamond helped him earlier in the season.
He's the hero of the story not because he punishes bad people, but because he believes that there's good in everyone
Just to start she says “Men, Women, and Intersex Women.” THOSE ARE STILL WOMEN, LILY?
Secondly, I don’t doubt what happened to Lily’s sister, as she has many, many works of siblings (specifically sisters) going into incestuous relationships.
Yeah it feels very fetishy to intersex folks :[
Lily Is not actually a woman.
I wonder if Lily hates Bojack Horseman because it calls her out on her bad behaviours?
*shrug*
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlotLily's new video "I have been stalked for 12 years"
Me: *Changes the title to what Lily really did.*
What Lily really did: "I have been victimising myself and hiding the fact I'm a predator race claimer who written MLP p3d0philia inc3st as an ADULT for 12 years and too chicken sht to owe up and announce everything I did and talk to my therapist so I don't feel like this again." says Lily Orchard if she was honest about her past.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlotKim, I made a realisation. For some reason I thought your art style for videos was inspired by her's but I realised it's inspired by your's. I think she changed her avatar since you two aren't associated with eachother anymore. That or I overthink things and she just wanted a change.
@@SkylarThompson-mu1qs That would require some self reflection and willingness to be critical of your own thoughts and opinions which is something Lily is either incapable of or just straight up unwilling to do.
@@nappyk96 She doesn't even have to do that, she can just change her opinions to good ones.
The part that breaks me the most about this, every time Lily gets discussed, is hearing about Mikaila's involvement with Lily. I've been friends with Mikaila since 4th grade (having a huge secret crush on her well into middle school), and we've done a lot together, from cosplay, to birthday parties. I've tried reaching out to her to try to rebuild our friendship, since it ebbed and flowed a lot over the years, and I was simultaneously excited and worried for her hearing about her engagement to Lily. I've tried to keep at arms length from this whole deal because I've never been involved enough with Lily to directly engage with this myself, Mikaila has always been very important to me.
I still think she's a nice person, but I understand why this happened. :(
Lily isolates people..She's got Mikaila firmly in that isolation right now and has for a long while. I'm still holding out hope that she breaks out of it. - Britt
@@NexLegacyAccount I hope so too.
the moment her sister came out about her was absolutely wild
Agree
The way she immediately just cut you off despite her being buddy buddy with you for awhile after being rightfully uncomfortable with disgusting allegations is just... yikes
Sure yikes
You mean He
I'm not surprised that Lily did not want Kp to interact with Courtney at all. Britany's story reminds me of the ex friend of mine who was angry that i could not interact with him at every hour of the day.
Courtney was open to talking to Lily, Lily was afraid. You do the math.
As someone who was a fan of Lily for a long time, I really wish I could say I was surprised when this video came up. I adverted my eyes or believed the paper thin excuses when controversies came up. She would say just the right thing and had her positive history with some people I appreciated, so I held my ground. After this, I don't feel any hesitation unfollowing and criticizing.
It's hard to realize someone you looked up to or appreciated is a terrible person. As someone who went through something similar to Courtney, I'm disgusted and disappointed. I remember after one of her videos, I actually sent a message talking about my abuse and she sent a kind message back supporting me. Finding out what happened was a bit heartbreaking and infuriating looking back.
"They were allowing a lot of child porn and I wanted to prove that was wrong" by writing child porn???
I'm sorry that you had to go through that kind of betrayal from a friend, and I hope that you get support and time to heal. Know that we believe you and are on your side.
I appreciate it
Also they try to use being trans as an excuse to shield themselves from the consequences. Trans communiy is already struggling enough as is, we do NOT need this.
He's scary.
Thank you. You're the first youtuber who's allowed me to speak openly about this and isn't just trying to use me for drama views...I appreciate it a lot. This has been a very long time coming. Lily is incredibly dangerous and one of the very few people I can confidently say is intentionally malicious. The things I've witnessed from her over the years has been beyond sickening. - Britt
No problem!
@NexLegacyAccount
I cried to the part where you said that she'd make you sound stupid or not smart enough to understand
That she'd just crumble your likes, opinions and hobbies that don't fit with their ideals
That she'd be nice and romantic to be cruel and abusive
I actually just accepted for the first time that I was abused in the same ways
By a person that is so similar
Same biases, sexual deviance, same patterns
Tge similarities are almost frightening
I'm so glad you took the strength to tell this
For once I feel like it really wasn't just me
That it wasn't right to be used that way
That really helps
Thank you so much
Lots of love to you
@ninthetomato I'm sorry you can relate..You deserve better and I hope you can find healing from this. Stay far away from anyone who treats you this way.
@@NexLegacyAccount
I actually did find a group of people that treat me very well.
They were the ones that made me realize how weird this situation was.
I also hope you've met people that care about you and love you like you deserve.
I hope this is not intrusive at all but I’m curious what the word you use at 41:30 means? I’ve never heard it before and don’t know how I’d begin to look it up. I feel as though every few months another victim of this monsterous person comes out, or another shitty thing she’s done comes out, and I feel for all of you. I hope you’re living your best life!
Getting into a call with Lily to give her a chance to explain herself is consistent with what you preach about hearing others out.
I tried *shrug*
What sucks is that I used to like her. I literally took her Steven Universe video as gospel and allowed myself to replace my thoughts of the show with hers. Or rather, I had a bit of frustration with it (as anyone does with any piece of media cuz nothing is perfect) and allowed her video to be my thoughts on it.
It sucks. On the one hand I should’ve been more nuanced. On the one hand I was a kid and all arguments were like, perfect to me.
I feel bad that I let someone kill my love for a show that wasn’t evil, wasn’t gods gift to this world, a show that was simply good and nice and imperfect.
I happens, take your time.
Maturity is realizing that your need to often form your own opinions. Yes, experiences of people outside of your demographic will be valuable to take in but more often than not, you can’t just defer to others who “seem” right.
You mean he*.
Lily is a he. Not a she
@@wolfgangamadeusmozart1293 JFC dude, nobody likes her but you're also an obsessed freak for spamming people with a pointless "correction" nobody's gonna listen to, lol.
Just unsubscribed. I know that she had beef with Josh for awhile but to hear that she's the writer of a child-pornographic fanfiction and did all that crap to her sister when she was eleven.
Nah. That's sick and not the type of content I wanna support.
Just another person to add onto my list of Internet personalities to avoid on TH-cam.
Why is everyone surprised now?? This has been known for years??
@@EpicFableBean Not everyone was well-aware of the allegations before seeing this video. I certainly wasn't.
Good for you
@@wadeyhyena1657 That is understandable. I wasn't aware about most of the allegations till december 2022/January 2023, and she was very rude to me, who only made one comment agreeing that ONE in the million of bad takes she has made on her tumblr was actually good (surrounding spoiler culture, and looking back? While I do agree that this no spoilers rule is dumb with a lot of people, I understand them not wanting to be spoiled. Hell, Dungeon Meshi is a show I am actively watching and Lily, outta pure spite to those of us watching Dungeon Meshi, spoils the ending as a giant "fuck you" to those of us saying, "Lily, you are actively wrong about this subject whilst being very ableistic in your approach towards Laios.") and I literally searched up "Is Lily Orchard wrong" on YT, only to learn that she wasn't just wrong on a whole lotta things, but actively dangerous and hypocritical in her approaches.
I remember when I first followed Josh Scorcher, they appeared to be good friends. But then he revealed how abusive she truly was and I was glad that I never subscribed to her channel.
The child groomers can't even get along with each other, it seems. (Josh dated ink rose when she was underage)
@@SilkMoth-w1c Except Josh never dated InkRose. People shipped their ponysonas together but the RL Ink and Josh behind the sonas never dated.
@@amberdawn868 they did date though. After she became an adult.
Really? Where ya hear that from
@@SilkMoth-w1c Cept this is a lie Josh Scorcher didn't date her when she was underage
Nice try this is a common lie Lilly and her fans try to do to defame Josh's callout video on her
Really sorry for all of you, I'm still in the process of finishing the video but what I'm hearing is horrifying me
Appreciate the support
The latest update from Lily is her announcing that she'll be making a response to all the "harassment" she's been receiving as of late, and that it will take months to complete. But unless she displays every bit of evidence thrown against her, is able to refute it all properly without deliberately leaving out any necessary information, and demonstrates even the slightest amount of humility within her response, I don't think she'll be able to get away from this as easily as she thinks...
She's doing the exact same mistakes as Zaid Magenta.
For those who don't know, he was a Brony (formerly called MisAnthroPony) who used to harass people who liked what he hates like Disney Star Wars, The Last of Us Part 2, modern Simpsons, etc. While he had his harassers, most of his haters were just people who disagreed with him.
But instead of ignoring them and moving on, he continued harassing and making death threats against them, even planning to make a video exposing them.
That was until people like Creepy Reading called him out of his BS and Zaid eventually deleted his channel.
@@alditoificationwell in Lily’s case it makes she to do some responses given these are career damaging allegations. Zaid was just a toxic idiot
Pfft this is just going to be a sequel to the Bitches Eating Crackers video most likely. Get your saltines ready. - Britt
The funny thing about Lily is when she tries to make herself look better she only ends up exposing more of her toxicity. Look at how many people who were her friends end up being called evil and toxic by her and she's just a poor victim. It's deflection and narcissism taking over and honestly it just keeps happening.
@@alditoification Zaid and Lily are both so similar, it's really hard to believe they aren't related. Zaid was more unhinged than even Lily because Zaid couldn't control his idiocy and had to personally attack any stranger online who liked things Zaid hated. Lily's not dumb enough to do that, but Lily picks targets to gaslight and "befriend" (i.e. USE) and has that smarmy smug demeanor while bold-faced-lying constantly and being a malcontent.
20:06 Notice how she puts more effort into disowning and belittling her sister than she does in trying to clear her own name.
It’s a coping strategy
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot I'd argue it's more her dodging the question. Though it could definitely be both.
22:49 is Lily a fucking Scooby-Doo villain? Who the fuck actually ask "why are you asking me about all this?" Like you know for a fact she's guilty as hell would she literally does the "what are you getting at detective" line and her just saying goodbye after you said I feel uncomfortable about the situation really shows how guilty she is. Not only does she have an actual NPC reaction but when just told by her "friend" she is uncomfortable with these allegations instead clarifying them she would rather just throw her friend away. How she still in has a platform is beyond me.
#mood
Glad to see you kick this toxic waste dump of a person to the curb.
I’m honestly surprised Lily even had any friends left in the brony community after what happened with Joshscircher years ago, or the Stockholm fanfic
I didn't really understand the Josh stuff and I was unaware of Stockholm for a long time.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot
Speaking on behalf of your audience here, we forgive you for that genuine obliviousness.
A video like this isn't made without _serious_ inner reflection and a willingness to tell the _correct_ stories and let the _right_ voices speak.
Let none cast aspersions on you for this.
You and Madd cooked, and it's _awful._ but even more than that, it's *real.*
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Everything that Lily went through with Josh was because she’s bitter about being fired by him as one of his editors, even though she was holding up a lot of time and work by refusing to do her job.
And then there was the crapshow with ToonKriticY2K, which she used to turn a few against Josh and then put many of the rest of them under fire with the Brony D&D stuff after Toon’s outing.
Lily has been a horrible person for a long time. I’m glad to see you’ve gotten away from her, and I hope to see the rest break away.
When I first got into the brony fandom in December 2014/January 2015, Lily Orchard was one of the first brony reviewers I came across. I found her funny and some of the points she brought up to be interesting. However, around mid-2015, I started to get the sense that she was too negative and reading too much into things regarding certain episodes within FiM, so I started distancing myself. I kept that distance until late 2016, when her public attacks on Joshscorcher began. It was only then that I realized just how toxic of a person Lily could be.
The things I learned about her (and even witnessed from her) got worse over the years. There was the #RespectTheArtist incident with Lily using someone else's artwork in one of her videos without crediting her. Her sending her fans to attack Josh and Dr. Wolf after the ToonKritic fiasco. Attacking a fan artist publicly for drawing her with large proportions. Her falling out with Lizzy Orchard. Her mistreatment of a former friend (Blake Diamond, I think). Saying that Rebecca Sugar is a Nazi (when Sugar herself is of Jewish descent). And, of course, writing Stockholm and trying to cover it up while accusing all bronies of being child molesters.
Everyone who split from Lily was right to do so, you included. I hope you never have to deal with her again.
Here's hoping!
holy crap we had nearly the exact same experience with her because everything you mentioned was how i also came to know lily and how i slowly came to lose respect for her, this even happened around the same year 2015
I was hesitant to look into the drama around Lily as I tried to have faith in the fact she was not all those horrendous things she vaguely denied. Now hearing it directly from a former friend, I am confident in my decision to back away from her content for good. I’m sorry to everyone who was close to her who had to deal with all of this.
I appreciate the comment!
1:17:40 “she will shamelessly take whatever she did to you, and flip it to where she was the victim of the thing she did to you”
that part stood out to me, because you can kind of see this pattern in lily’s pokemon comic, *long* before courtney came forward with her story. for some context: the storyline is about a gardevoir belonging to lily’s self-insert character confessing that she “soul-bonded” with character!lily when she was 14 and asleep to extend her lifespan. character!lily is horrified and disgusted by this, and calls gardevoir’s actions “violating”. character!lily puts a lock on her door (much like courtney did according to her testimony), and the narrative treats this as her taking things too far and being just as “abusive” as (a poorly-disguised stand-in for) lizzy.
and what disturbs me about this plot line is that *every aspect of it is tailored to make gardevoir’s actions come across as justified*. in pokemon canon, there is nothing about gardevoir as a species needing “psychic bonds” to extend their lifespan. this act did not have to be framed as gardevoir sneaking into a 14-year old’s room and performing an intimate, taboo act on her while she was sleeping. it’s framed as something gardevoir needed to do, and the narrative treats her more sympathetically than her victim.
and i know someone might argue “well gardevoir isn’t a stand-in for lily herself, lily already has a self-insert character in that comic”. but why else would lily, who refuses to forgive or sympathize with fictional characters if she feels they’ve been abusive, frame the character like this? why is her self-insert treated as the one in the wrong? why is gardevoir ultimately forgiven in-universe and her actions are presented as justified? i firmly believe that this arc of the comic was either written to get ahead of the curb and claim that courtney was the abusive one, or (and it makes my skin crawl to even suggest this) present a scenario where what she allegedly did to courtney was justified and forgivable.
It could also be a way to process her own traumatic guilt. Even if Lily herself was the abuser, it sounded like she was only seven when it all started, and it probably left scars on her too. Not saying that makes any of it acceptable, only that Lily might not be a heartless monster, just someone in deep, deep denial and in desperate need of therapy.
@@EmeralBookwise She definitely is in need of therapy, and her behavior at that young of an age is a sign of trauma and most definitely SA as a child. Though I can't agree with the fact that she isn't a heartless monster even in the deeper depths of her core, you can be a monster and still be in denial and desperate need of therapy. The fact that she denies what she had done and even so denies and or twists the fanfiction and everything else she preaches shows that she does not care about getting better, which in my mind makes her a sick and disgusting person.
Yea, I never read the comic but I heard things.
@@lifeisadrag7705I am aware she is a victim possibly in denial and thinking this is all "okay" but it doesn't excuse it at all.
@@EmeralBookwiseI'd be willing to believe she wasn't a heartless monster if I hadn't spent the last 8 years watching her continue to groom and sexually abuse more and more people. And I've seen what she looks at on obscure corn sites. Whatever you imagine the absolute worst, lowest, straight-to-the-pits-of-hell content, it is worse. And it involves children. There aren't words in the English language that accurately describes how foul she is. - Britt
I'm very glad you made this video. A lot of people need to know about what Lily has done and who she has hurt because the list is extensive.
Take care of yourself, KP.
Appreciate it!
Weirdly enough, as a kid who watched a lot of MLP analyzers, I was actually scared of Lily. Her tone in her videos, the way she snapped at people in her comments and insulted people on her tumblr (literally screamed at an artist for giving her FAN ART)
So...I want to say I'm surprised, but I'm honestly not.
*shrug*
I found that to be fascinating at first, truthfully.
But, y'know, I also got baited by ToonKritic's persona too, so... I really can't pick 'em. 🙃
The point Courtney brings up at around 28:30 is so true. Lily deletes any negative comments on her videos and bans the person from commenting again. It's why you don't ever really see any negative comments there. She's basically created an echo chamber for herself.
Edit: hearing Brittany's account of Lily's behavior towards her is absolutely horrific. There is legitimately no low it seems Lily won't sink to if it means satisfying her own narcissism. I genuinely feel part of why she identifies as trans and claims to have Native descent us just so that she can claim to be part of a marginalized group and frame any criticism she recieves as punching down and any levied at her as punching down.
I believe it
I definitely agree, it’s insane how a Lily went out of the way to delete and ban people.
Let alone, the type of horror Brittany went through is just awful. The moment I heard of another account and a whole story - already knew Lily was the one pulling the strings and being crazy. I’ve known someone who has done that to me and it’s just mentally unhealthy and draining.
Does anyone else remember how in her ToonKritic video, Lily described BritishNinja as a "total boss" for calmly but firmly confronting Toon about his grooming, and for giving Toon a chance to explain his side of the story while also not accepting any of his excuses? Meanwhile, she's now slandering KP as "launching a harassment campaign" FOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING TO LILY THAT LILY PRAISED BRITISHNINJA FOR DOING TO TOON. What a clown.
"It's different when I'M the target!' might as well be the motto of every bully, preacher, and politician.
@@briancurtis6022 Lily has always held different standards for herself than everyone else. When some other creator gets a barrage of hate, then "cancel culture isn't real" and "it's just the internet, just listen to the criticism and say sorry." But when SHE gets negative attention online, or even just thinks she does, she can block and be as vitriolic as she wants because she's "standing up for herself" and "doesn't have to put up with creeps." She invokes abuse survivor rhetoric nonstop against others, but the second she's the one being accused, she suddenly engages in common rape myths like, "If you're not lying then why don't you just report me to the police then?" (as if it's not common knowledge in progressive circles how difficult and traumatizing prosecuting such a thing would be). Even Sketchy, when coming to her defense against one of her victims, tried to encourage the victim to forgive Lily to heal and move on -- a philosophy that Lily has railed against in multiple videos, but I guess is okay when her friends use it to defend her.
THIS
Can you show me that Sketchy quote?
24:18 holy shit... that "alright goodbye" when she realizes she can't manipulate you anymore that's... wow
Agree
I used to like lily until the steven universe episode. Then i juat lost interest, she just became irritating to listen to. Which was kind of sad considering she was the first openly trans person i followed and a part of my brony story back when i was a teen. When all this shit came out I just felt gross, and kind of betrayed. I tried to remain neutral during the josh scorcher beef, he was right to criticize her and I feel bad for not taking a stance back then. I've come to realize shes just an awful person, I actively avoid her videos and shes not deserving of the platform shes given.
Wait, Lily is a trans? Not that I have a problem with it. I just never knew this information till now.
@@sonicgen20 used to be known as 'Jerry.'
I think, this case, is one instance wherein I may _safely_ share this information without the usual allegations of Transphobia.
I tell this because it's part of my _personal_ history and recollections of them. And, like it or not, the falsifiability present in their _own_ words calls it into question.
@@a-s-greig Which is just you tip-toeing around being transphobic. I fucking hate lily's guts and all but stuff like this makes the topic harder get involved with.
Yep, it's a lot
I've been casually a part of Lily's community for a long while now, and I never realized that she never actually addressed the real issues/allegations people were bringing up. She always has/continues to frame videos like this as just people having unfounded beef with her (like they're just jealous/petty). Knowing how serious everything is now, it genuinely disgusts me that she intentionally hides the truth and encourages her audience to not watch/engage with these videos so that they have no actual idea about what's happening. I looked through comments on her community post about this video and I can really see that echo chamber.
Thank you so much KP for making this video. And especially thank you to Brittany for doing this interview.
Yep, that's what she does-misdirect and lie.
Lilys response to all the victims in this situation was so disingenous and disgusting.. it basically boiled down to "everyone is a liar and fabricating evidence against me cuz they hate trans women" as if being transgender negates you from being a horrible person instead of focusing on her being accused of writing cp, assaulting her sibling, and hurting various others, you can be apart of a marginazlied group and be a horrible person and that comes with consequences.... she has no sympathy for anyone and im so sorry to all of you guys and I sincerely hope your doing better.
Appreciate the support! It was never about Lily being trans.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot yeah I’m aware, it just appears to be the only source of argument she ever seems to have, which is just absolutely wrong and invalid because it doesn’t excuse any of what she did, which is why it’s absolutely ridiculous 😅
Seems she took a page out of Keffals’ book…
I'm so glad you posted this KP. I always felt confused why someone as sensible and nice as you was friends with Lily. Her horrible history is just shocking.
I was kept away from that stuff, so I was in the dark.
@Nightman221k speaking from experience, manipulative people tend to surround themselves with nice and overly trusting individuals for several reasons: 1) they know that we're easier to manipulate than others, 2) they know that we're less likely to call them out because we try to see the best in people, 3) they know it'll make them look better by association, and 4) they know that we'll almost always offer support before questioning the narrative presented to us. I used to date someone like this, and in hindsight I watched her worm her way into so many positive social circles and leach off of other people's positive energy on a regular basis, but wasn't ready to believe that was what she was doing. It sucks to find out that someone you love or care deeply for has just been using you as a prop for years.
I unsubscribed from Lily Orchard because I got bored of her content. I had no idea she was into such bad things. I mean, I was told about her doing these things, but I just took it as people who were salty over her critiques trying to slander her image.
Now I know better, and I’m glad you do too.
Repeatedly cumming on her friend... Now that's a mouthful.
The evidence is overwhelming.
Not just into bad things, she went and did bad things.
I feel bad for her sister. Lily isn’t helping her case with the things she does.
@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Why hasn't anyone taken her to court if there is overwhelming evidence, this should be a slam dunk.
@@infiniteoctopaw Canadian courts are weird
it makes me overwhelmingly more relaxed knowing you dont side with her
👍
It amazes me Lily’s been able to keep their channel this long. They’ve long since fallen into Lolcow territory through the insane number of terrible things they’ve done to both friends AND shockingly family.
Most INSANE notification I ever seen
Seconded
@@westernbody Thirded, along with a "HOLY SHIT" that resonated harder than the Star Giant callout on Enter's channel.
I'm _not_ surprised, just feeling rough for all involved.
I Just want to tell you that you're so strong for confronting Lily, the few minutes of the call you shared with her are so uncomfortable I would've cried.
Thanks for the support!
I knew something was up with lily when her glass of water series turned into 20 minutes of vitriol spat at whoever annoyed her that week. It went from breakdowns of episodes from shows, to just verbally attacking people for breathing in her direction. And then claiming victim when the person stood up for themselves and clapped back. Im glad i stopped watching her YEARS AGO. Literally dropped her ass faster than a hot potato.
Good for you
Lily's video addressing this really just confirms allegations like these more. It felt like watching a cult leader use deceptive tactics to distract from the actual issues. And many, MANY people still continue to willingly support her... This is a very dangerous woman
I like how she tries to argue that her sister paints her "as both being completely pathetic and a dangerous predator at the same time", and acts like this is a contradiction. as if these two concepts are somehow mutually exclusive.
@@BananaMike780 that same sister bragged about how lily hated by her parents do you think she is a reliable source?
She doctored evidence and cropped screenshots, from my understanding. So, hard agree.
Courtney's story has also never changed..
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot She does that a lot. She likes to take screenshots of conversations and crop out any names, pfp, or timestamps. Then she'll claim that the allegations are baseless because there's no evidence it's actually her talking.
Which is absolutely fucking WILD to me, because almost ALL of theses allegations have ALREADY been proven... By multiple people! Fuck me - there are people who discover her channel BECAUSE of other content creator's being like "Lily did X Y or Z - here's the receipt."
She criticizes cartoons and anime for having predatory themes when she herself is a predator who wrote a predatory fanfic? What a creep and a hypocrite!
It's projection at this point.
@@sonicfan2403 That's what I was thinking.
Lily Orchard was legitimately a heroic figure for me as a kid. Stuck in an abusive home that I'd moved to right after leaving _another_ abusive home, her "FUCK the system and FUCK everyone who hurt you" attitude was sort of exactly what I needed. I'd replay her older pony videos constantly and I'd follow every word she said like gospel. Then I got older, and I started taking notice of the videos that criticized her and engaging with them critically. And then I watched the multi hour videos of the person exposing her for being a huge creep and 100% being the author of Stockholm. I'm 24 now, and I know that if I'd been technologically savvy enough to be on any social media site outside of Google Plus, I might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time because I practically worshiped this woman. I'm not sure what point I mean to make here, I'm just sitting with the emotions that come with the inevitable fallout of an extremely deep parasocial relationship. Don't meet your heroes I suppose, maybe just take it from me and don't idolize people in general.
I hope you heal!
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Thanks KP, I appreciate it
It blows my mind how lily has left such a trail of people in her wake whom she's hurt and abused and she still has fans who defend her every action and claim all of them must be lying, based on nothing but 'lily said so'.
It's very cult-like.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot glad you got out kp, and I'm glad you're talking about it I can see just browsing the comments that a lot of people still needed to hear this or that they believe it coming from you.
Thank you so much for bringing Madd onto the video. I have a very similar background to them, but i honestly had a bit of impostor syndrome with my NDN heritage, since i am incredibly white passing and was also left with very little information. Having their clarity made me feel confident, and im incredibly thankful for the platform you've given here.
Glad it was helpful!
Hey man... better to get away from her now than never. Glad youre here talking about it. It takes alot of guts to go up against someone as vendictive as lily.
Kim you got my respect. I hope your life is better without that creep around ya
Appreciate the support
Lily being vocally against deadnaming (which is valid) only to deadname literally everyone she has any issue with is _wild_
She has that problem with other stuff too, she constantly dehumanizes detractors.
When you were talking to Lily on the phone and she was talking about her sister and the way she called her sister names and invalidated her experience, it made me sick to my stomach. It sounded just like what an abuser would say. Not “I didn’t do that, can’t believe she would say that about me. I need to see what’s going on and apologize for whatever issues she’s going through”. It was “oh she’s crazy. I don’t call her my sister anymore.”
What a horrible person
To think about how she constantly called out the ENTIRE Brony community for being pedophiles and bigots and so on while she herself was actually doing the stuff she was pretending to be upset about is honestly sickening
Big agree
I don’t know much about Lilly, but it seems the general thing she likes to do is that she tends to call every single person a pedo and bigot.
For example I was watching a simailr video to this that took clips of Lilly’s vidoes to counterpoint them. There was one clip where Lilly said that Rebeca Sugar had a pedo fantasy because the diamonds characters were all singing for Steven to come back to homeworld. There was no evidence or anything, Lilly’s claim to back this up was “well, Rebeca is a huge weeb” and that’s kinda it.
I loved Madd’s section, it was super informative and I loved how you put in the effort to find someone to give their more personal perspective.
you're one of the og mlp youtubers you're awesome
Ty!
Lily’s response on her community tab is… laughable. “Because you won’t try to get me arrested, you know I’m innocent”???
What about the people who don’t live in her country?
By Lily's logic Onision is an angel just like she is.
@@Nightman221k ^No one will remember his name
You were friends with Lily Orchard? I'm so sorry.
I was brought in by someone I thought I trusted.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot lo siento.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot And she defended you during the whole debacle. That's going to win points.
A skilled manipulator knows how to win trust. And it's so hard to tell one from a real friend.
@@moonblaze2713 I remember that, too. Looked like poor optics to me at the time because I was already distrusting Lily then, but, for the two of them to be... shall I say, "embattled" respectively, Lily played her cards _disgustingly_ well to keep the "friend" she had and wanted to be through that.
that's pretty much been my reaction seeing this video too
i'm so proud of you, kp, and thank you so much for delivering a platform for courtney and brittany, especially with the last platforms breaking under their feet because horrible people are everywhere, sucking up every spec of dust they can manage from people who are hurting just for their own gain and numbers.
cheering you all on, carebears. keep telling your stories.
I appreciate the comment!
The "why are you asking me this" is fucking crazy😭your friend came to you to see your side of the story instead of jumping to conclusions wtf
AND THEN SHE JUST ENDS IT
*shrug*
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot I'm sorry you had to go through that dude that must've been rough :( thank you for making this video!
Number 1. I was subscribed to Lily for an unfortunately long time, I was in the mlp fandom and I child so I didn’t know any better. And she did a really good job deflecting any allegation made against her. It took until earlier this year when all this was coming out for me to finally bite the bullet.
2. One thing I will say about Lily is that she was good at being in the right side of fandom discourse especially during the brony fandom. There was this one brony creator (I forgot his name, toon something?) anyways he was caught grooming minors and I think went to prison. The whole brony D&D podcast thing you see referenced in the comments was that he was included in that podcast and the creator of the podcast still uploaded the episodes he was in after the allegations, with only a brief disclaimer in the beginning. That’s not right, and Lily was right with asking for those episodes to be deleted (a broken clock is right twice a day).
3. You need to understand that during the KP smear campaign Lily was her most vocal and one of her only defenders. This is why KP trusted her for so long, because she was one of the only people in that fandom she could trust. And hearing that someone you trusted for so long did such bad things is an earth shattering experience that’s going to take some time to process. So stop commenting “you were FRIENDS WITH HER” or “how did it take you THIS LONG to cut ties with her?” That’s so unfair and you obviously never had to go through something like this. What’s important is that she did cut ties and she did make this video.
Toon kritic
@@sjmhadsock4586 yeah that’s him. It’s important to note while I’m sure Lily did the same thing with Josh he is absolutely not innocent because he covered hard for toon when that stuff came out. A LOT of people in the brony fandom were very problematic in some way and A LOT were creepy with minors. It’s funny how often Lily would call these people out when she also did a lot of the same stuff they did. It’s really troubling because there were a lot of underaged people the MLP fandom (as it is a kids show) and people rarely called out how it’s a bad idea to have so many adult men in spaces with children. I don’t think there was anything wrong with Bronies as a concept and I’m sure most of them were innocent people who just liked MLP. But that fandom was a perfect place for P3D0s because it was considered normal for adult men to interact with children as they were just discussing MLP there shouldn’t be anything wrong with that. I was like 9-10 years old when I was in the mlp fandom, and I was lucky I didn’t decide to interact with any of these people. But then again these people should’ve had strongly discouraged interacting with anyone underaged. There needs to be greater care taken in protecting children in fandom spaces especially when the content is made for kids.
Yeah
I'd bring up my own involvement in the D&D situation, wanting to be a middleman of sorts for people who were still interested, but that is a long story and an irrelevant footnote.
@@mattstart8180 actually Josh, was working with others to collect evidence against Toon, so they had to keep things close to the vest, 1) to ensure the victims felt safe, 2) that no one could get to the victim's and get them recant there statements, 3) when dealing with someone who is manipulative you got to be smart.
The main reason why he got away with so much for so long, he made sure, he got his side out first, to paint it as a fan who was over stepping the line, he and another got into an argument and they got bent out of shape about it, it was a misunderstanding, he was just joking around. Until they had proof of his true nature, he was able to keep ppl from. Seeing his red flags.
There alot of fandoms who have adult, teen and child fans, and creeps, find there way into the fandoms.
Personaly anyone who joins a fandom for any reason other than the enjoyment of the reason for that fandom are nothing more than parasites who only goal is to harm the fandom and the people who are a member of it.
O3do and fandom parasites, are only in any given fandoms because that's am easy way to get to there victim's. It's wrong to label a whole group of people as bad, just because bad people are useing that fandom for other reasons than to enjoy the the reason for that fabdom.
Basically this, "All elephants are Grey, buy not all Grey things are elephants."
As someone who was a fan of Lily for a long time, Thank you for making this video KP.
And thank you to everyone who was interviewed. You were all really brave for coming forward. ❤
Thank you too!
I unsubscribe Lily’s channel because she has a pure hatred for anime and the way she insulted anime fans by calling them “disgusting weebs” when in reality we’re just normal people who do have lives of their own. When Lily made a video called Steven Universe is Garbage and here’s why and her Dungeon Meshi came out I knew it was the last straw for me and suffered a mental breakdown because of her.
Lily isn’t a creative critic to begin with at all do to her unhealthy desires
Sorry to hear :(
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot It’s ok, at least I can thank Lily for being a huge fan of World of Warcraft, and enjoy pokemon both the story and post game along with their spin off games.
It was her Dungeon Meshi video for me, too. There was a comment she made to someone who politely criticized her opinion on the tone of the show being inconsistent, and her response was to say that all anime was bad and that Japanese writing was a "Skill Issue."
She then deleted that entire comment chain (which consisted of about 16 comments) not even a day later.
That's when it became clear to me that Lilly is unable to take anything resembling criticism, even if the person giving it is being perfectly polite. Her response is always to attack and belittle them, then delete or ban them.
I wonder if the reason Soy X Family is one of the few animes she likes is because Yuri has a crush on his sister
Speaking of the dungeon messhi video…apparently she’s talked about hating the sibling relationship in Digimon cuz she misinterpreted a poor translation of the creator of the anime talking about some “incestous relationship” in the show.
And yet, in the new video she talks about how it’s an example of a good relationship.
Take it with a grain of salt tho, since this IS secondhand info. But I do find it funny how much she flip flops.
Wow it's been YEARS since I've seen any of your content on YT. Wish it was under better circumstances but im happy you're still doing your thing!
Your homework is to catch up!
For a person saying it would take months to make a response video, she did make a hit piece fairly quickly.
She was very mad
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlotcan't wait to see people react to it
I am not giving her watch time
@@leavemealone802 I went there just to check the comments and dear lord she moderates those things to hell and back.
I think she commented on this video a couple of times before she deleted her replies too. She was very eager to argue about it.
@@scootermcpeanuts6699I honestly wonder how so many seen brainwashed by her
I feel nauseated by how central this person was to my formative years. I found her videos when I was a child and idolized her through my teenagehood, to an unhealthy extent. I know I wasn't the only one, I was immersed in her community and so many of us tried to mold ourselves into her rigid standards for what made a "good" writer/activist/human being. She has a way of getting under young people's skin without even directly interacting with them, and that, to me, is terrifying.
I cut myself off from her content, ironically, because her vitriolic and unforgiving approach toward anyone she doesn't view as 100% squeaky-clean and morally "pure" was feeding my OCD. How poetic it is that she's exactly the kind of predator she so vehemently denounced.
Yea we live in a weird time.
I had a very similar experience. After the Steven Universe video I just full on made that my opinion. I also fervently agreed with her on queer being a slur. Then as I discussed it with the AJ Universe I kinda got that shit out of my head, and I was becoming aware of just how preemptively defensive she was about everything, and then the Lizzy stuff happened and I kinda went "oh so those 'false' abuse accusations may not be so false" and I haven't watch a second of her content since.
A person's formative years are when they are most easily seduced by fascism.
I read Lily’s community post response to this video, and I died laughing at it. The whole post, especially the end of it, is such cope.
Not to mention all the comments on said post blatantly saying they didn't even watch the entirety of KP's video. The copium is strong with this one. :P
And I even defended her the other day... (sigh)
A red flag was how she would berate me if I made a comment that displeased her, but she would phrase it to make me seem like the bad guy. One time she mentioned on tumblr that some fighting games were just an excuse to slap a bunch of OCs together, and when I replied with a joke that she should make a fighting game based on her OCs, she called me a creep. I mean, where the hell did that come from?
EDIT: BTW, I don't think I will watch the whole video. Don't think I'll be able to stomach it all. Even just some sections were disturbing enough.
Glad this was helpful.
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot it was sad, but necessary.
I don't mind that she's opinionated (I even agree with some she has), but the hypocrisy of her calling out anime and mlp fans for... you know... that's the ending point for me.
In 2020 Lily told me to kill myself after I sent her fan art. The fact this is the least of what shes done to people says a lot about her.
Oof sorry you had to deal with that
@@ILoveKimPossibleAlot Thank you for distancing yourself from her and protecting your trans audience. We appreciate you
listening to britt's story about lily reminded me so deeply of an abusive person i was in a toxic friendship with. even if she didn't write stockholm, even if she didn't hurt courtney, even if all this other stuff was totally made up... she just sounds like a nasty person.
Glad it was helpful
There's something nice about seeing people cover Lily more openly, as for the past few years I've kept up with the allegations, it was surrounded by infighting or not a big enough platform to reach Lily's stalwart fanbase. It's been frustrating to see as an ex-fan who got the ick when Lily platformed Princes M*lestia alllll the way back in 2015. I REALLY hope this changes now that you and a few other people have been platforming her victims and making sure their voices are heard. Hope everyone finds healing here!
@kalublah what wait she platformed Princess M????
@@DistortedDissonance It was a LONG time ago. easily 10 years ago. Lily used to post videos about fandom creations and one of them was Princess Molestia. A lot of her videos from this era are long deleted (like her views on Tyrantlestia.) But I remember her talking to the character like it was an interview and generally advocating for the interpretation.
@@kalublah generally ew?
@@DistortedDissonance Yeah, it's actually disgusting. You responding to my comment made me realize just how many of her videos are now off of her youtube, like I can only find people's screen capped thumbnail of Tyrantlestia from this set of fan celestia interpretations she talked about. Anything over 8 years old is gone on her channel!
Searched Lily Orchard on TH-cam and this video was the top result. Great job!
Yay success!
I remember Lily being the person that made that one Steven Universe video. I recently had another video recommended to me that was a relatively friendly reply video to it, and one thing that stuck out to me was how the person stated how they knew the video was four years old and hoped she has improved from it.
This is actually depressing. I was not expecting this
I stopped watching Lily for an admittedly petty reason. I never agreed with her opinions, which usually isn't a problem, but the way she expressed her opinions was so arrogant, argumentative, condescending and...overall very negative? Finding out about her Steven Universe video, and watching her MLP music tier list, really affirmed this.
And then I found out about all the awful things she did (particularly, the fanfic, how she treated her sister and a few of her online contacts, and the inappropriate content she posts), and then I really never wanted to watch her again. She does not deserve a platform.
I really wish her victims a peaceful recovery. What they went through is awful.
As another commenter said, in regards to Lily herself, leave the demon to her demons.
I appreciate the support
"Cracks neck" Lets do this!
Half way in and WOW, I knew that Lily was awful and abusive but she legit belong in prison!
My heart goes out to all of her victims. None of you deserved any of this.
Appreciate it!
the phone call with her is so bizarre, like as soon as you even vaguely imply you're not 100% sure of the situation she immediately cuts you off. You don't even accuse her, just express uncertainty
That was the tone I was going for. I was very tempted to yell at her about lying and how much of a fool she made me look, but figured I’d get her with her own excuse.
tying into the pretendian claims, does anyone else think its weird she gave her rantsona a much darker complexion than she actually has?
This whole situation has just made me incredibly sad. I was a huge fan of Lily when I was in highschool and about to go into college. I think it was around the time when the Toon situation was going on that I discovered her channel?
But she inspired me a lot as an artist and writer myself. Hell, I became more invested in your channel after her videos talking about how the Brony community was treating you at the time.
As I started developing my own stories, Lily’s advice inspired me a lot to go farther with my themes and characters. I even would have her videos on as background noise while I was drawing and was overjoyed when she commented on a piece of fanart I drew for her.
But when I started getting into other TH-camrs who encouraged their audiences to look deeper into things and not accept everything at face value, that’s when I started noticing some red flags with Lily and her content.
She would start saying things that didn’t add up, she would accuse people of being horrible things with little to no evidence, stuff wasn’t adding up.
When I finally watched all these videos I realized just how sneaky, manipulative and cruel she is. It’s like the person I had been watching and idolizing never existed.
I hope all the victims are able to get justice.
Lily Orchard has always been a snake. The more she's online, the more she's distancing herself from her associates and audience.
In other words: I hated Lily from the very start to the very finish of her TH-cam career, and with the very deaths of other hated people in the Brony Fandom/Reviewing Community like ZaidMAP and Star Giant Productions. Hopefully that means Lily's career will finally be over.
Deaths?
(It won't be, but this is another nail in the coffin for sure.)
@@TheAssholeAspie They deleted their channels and online presences. Thankfully cause they're both too absurd and toxic to be trusted to have an online presence, MUCH LIKE LILY.
We’ll see
I stopped watching Lilly a long time ago because of how much drama she had surrounding her and the bad vibes she gave off, but I had no idea it was THIS bad. I'm so sorry you had to go through any of this KP.
All good, thanks for paying attention!
the straight up "nope" about dashxscoots is fucking crazy. there's screenshots of the fic!!! plus pretty sure no pedophile characters in the story get 'shot in the head', and even if they do, the content of the fic is like 90% pedo shit. not that ive read it (which im sure she'd dismiss this comment on that basis alone) but the screenshots...there's no arguing with people who have actually read it
I guess she thought I would never check?